fury

[undone flower]

My first act as gm

[gleaming siren]

i dont even yap that much here, less than 7k messages

[remote bobcat]

depression will come, no worries

[undone flower]

4 players left, I tried to recruit for 2 days, then rat out

[remote bobcat]

hits everyone

[clever belfry]

wtf

[remote bobcat]

yo anda

do u use the 85% bt and slayer conditions weakauras?

[clever belfry]

a: i dont play the game
b: i just displayed a crit% number

[remote bobcat]

AngryCat

[gleaming siren]

anda has left me to die

sad!

[clever belfry]

wtfrigg

[gleaming siren]

Anda I think you should water some Lalafell

[clever belfry]

nyo

ballnezi isnt here

[remote bobcat]

balls

[hybrid raven]

hi qmall question if i can, with the buff i'm gonna switch back to fury. Don't like arms anyway and i'm not pushing keys anyway (13-14 for the fun) what are the beste emb i need to use, and all recrafsts haste/mast?

[warm crag]

noob

[remote bobcat]

you can already play fury its not actually useless as people may say

fury's prio damage, I'd argue, makes lower keys kinda easy

u just wont have a big pp on the dps meter

[fading sky]

u will have 5% bigger peepee after reset

thats something

[pine gust]

in 12-14 range if you are good you have big pp even as fury

[remote bobcat]

not if ur mates are also good

like yea i beat pugs all the time

but if i play with guildies or homies

no chance

[pine gust]

Ye im talking about pugs more

[remote bobcat]

yea but thats because pugs are actual trash most of the time

Ok

[gleaming siren]

Says the noober

[fading sky]

i prefer to call em Confidence builders

[gleaming siren]

the noobest even

[pine gust]

Yeah then you go with your udk friend and confidence is trashed

[fading sky]

exactly PUGS

not ppl u know

[hybrid raven]

yeah arms is so damm boring. i'm 678, it's an alt and i just do some keys to help out the friends. won't get invited in high keys anyway 😄

[fading sky]

i mean slayer arms is fun

less clunky

prob on par with fury dmg 😄

[pine gust]

Personally i dont mind arms gameplay but I hate carrying over stacks from pack to pack

Trash mechanic

and tanks your dps

Or prestacking bonegrinder and might

[fading sky]

which is why

[fast mural]

what stacks ?
juggernault or demolish

[fading sky]

Slayer arms

[fast mural]

arms has a bunch of stacking stuff

[fading sky]

less stackies

[pine gust]

im talking colossus

and there is a few

[fading sky]

i mean its a Stackers paradise

[fast mural]

collateral dmg aswell

kinda

[fading sky]

Modifier UPON modifier

[remote bobcat]

u stacking juggernaut in m+?

god damn

[fast mural]

only in ToP

[remote bobcat]

top is a thane dungeon

absolute_cinema

[pine gust]

Oh yea collat not bonegrinder, mixed them up

[fast mural]

i dont play fury in m+

[pine gust]

good cleave vs bad cleave can be 60M difference on one gcd

[remote bobcat]

ur missing out

[fast mural]

fury gets boring for me real fast

i like tracking 4 different stacking things

[remote bobcat]

but arms is interesting?

[fast mural]

unironically

[remote bobcat]

man

play enhance stormbringer

ur gonna like it

[fast mural]

i already like arms why should i do that

[remote bobcat]

try it

alt

it

[fast mural]

how can you play fury the entire season its mindnumbing

[pine gust]

Ye enh is similar although id agrue enh relies more on reaction to procs

[fast mural]

i played it on sprocken and it felt like my brain was melting

[plush zephyr]

Both are fun

[fast mural]

fight itself doesnt even have anything going on for melee

so its just target dummy fury

[hybrid raven]

so both vers emb is fine?

[remote bobcat]

you arent playing it correctly if u think its mindnumbing. fury has more conditionals than arms.

nuff said

[fast mural]

yep
but you can always sim

[fast mural]

you mean the 2 WAs that go kaching

[remote bobcat]

You can dumbify your gameplay to remove some conditionals yea but there's still more to the gameplay

[fast mural]

what is there on pure ST outisde of execute and bloodthirst conditionals?
if you are talking about overcapping rage to stack rampage dmg stacks i did that too

maybe im just missing something

[remote bobcat]

Execute and Bloodthirst are most of slayer conditionals yea, since raging blow's main job is aiding bloodthirst

[fast mural]

is ther anything else ?

cause you made it sound like there is and im clueless if so

[remote bobcat]

the reality is that you can and should always play to optimize MFE stacks around the bladestorm cooldown, not wasting stacks. It comes out as roughly equal in sims but it ends up being better in practice as we're not robots

[pine gust]

Then there is thane

ANd you just press buttons

and sometimes bt when stacks high

[fast mural]

whats MFE again ?

[remote bobcat]

Slaughtering strikes is a thing yes you should keep it in mind but the main use case is just looking at slaughtering strikes + brutal finish

[remote bobcat]

the debuff applied that reduces the bladestorm cooldown

[fast mural]

oh marked for execution

right

[remote bobcat]

Then vicious contempt is something you should think about, mainly because the weakaura wont always kaching during vc range, usually because it kachinged previously without being at 85%

and without critting

[fast mural]

it does glow tho

[remote bobcat]

most people have it offscreen

[fast mural]

their mistake

[remote bobcat]

but yea it does glow indeed

i mean on sprocket its a pure rotational ST fiesta

[pine gust]

Is there any condition for BT during VC range?

[fast mural]

if thats all i wasnt missing anything

[remote bobcat]

there are no interesting cooldowns to think about or similar

[pine gust]

i mean other than press it over RB

For thane

i mean

[fast mural]

use it on CD for thunderblast proc?

[remote bobcat]

VC just makes BT prio over RB at like 40% (I think?) instead of 85% or whatever it is

[fast mural]

for thane too?

[remote bobcat]

yes

but thane has extra

[fast mural]

i thought especially on aoe you prio BT

[pine gust]

Yeah thats what i thought

[remote bobcat]

at 6 targets

u prio BT also

6 and more

[pine gust]

Dw I ask my tank to only pull 5 mobs

For optimal damage 😄

[remote bobcat]

slayer fury also has a target based priority swap

cuz of reap

[buoyant island]

is thane best for TOP

[remote bobcat]

imo, yea

some slayer gamers come close but thane is too consistent at 5 targets to not play thane imo

[oblique trail]

[empty grove]

after every bladestorm do we do 2x raging blow and then rampage?

[fading sky]

however many

[undone flower]

I think after bs you rb until you can’t, max slaughtering strike stack or lose enraged

[fading sky]

RB u can do

[empty grove]

gotcha ty

also we cast reck and av before the pull?

not having enough rage to ramp before BS

[undone flower]

No but yes before you charge

Bc if you press before the pull you will lose 1 rage bc out of combat and will not be able to rampage

(Talking in raid)

[empty grove]

ye in raid

so press it as the boss is pulled

and thyen charge

[undone flower]

Yep

I could maybe do a macro for raid pulls but I’m lazy

[empty grove]

Okay thanks I’ll suss this pull

Should I use HOC with it as well

[remote bobcat]

i mean it's like 1 to 2 gcds of wasted buffs

[empty grove]

So it isn’t desynchronise

[undone flower]

1

[dense elbow]

Just add charge to the macro, save some of that

[undone flower]

You don’t hit the last sec buff gcd anyway / the second gcd wasted is already lost

[remote bobcat]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zscNhUvH68o?feature=share

i played like this

today

it was surprisingly comfortable.

[undone flower]

I feel my macro will do too much

[dense elbow]

Get your adds out of heeeere

[undone flower]

I would use it to charge, avatar, reck, pot, trinket, /say and taxes

[dense elbow]

Hopefully you would put charge after reck tho

[undone flower]

Ye I meant I would remove all those buttons and just press the macro for them

[shut tusk]

Is OF the play after the buffs ? Or still too weak?

[undone flower]

Obviously I would do good order don’t worry 👍

[dense elbow]

It will just be a minor DPS loss, not a DPS loss

From about 2-3% loss to 1% loss ish

I am just glad that OF now will almost do more dam than RB on ST

Another 30% and we getting into a good spot

[undone flower]

I wish heroic leap would replace charge for the pull, so much cooler to leap on the boss and rampage

[dense elbow]

Then the boss mechanic want you to leap, and it is on CD

[undone flower]

Noob

Boss mechanic want you to not play OF slayer in m+

[dense elbow]

Naaaah, bosses spawn adds on 45 sec timers

[undone flower]

I had more fun as fury in nerubar even tho sikran and kyvesa i was under aug

[dense elbow]

Doing 16s, the adds actually survive long enough that I get a little bit of bladestorm value. Maybe half a channel. After hunter blasts them into the shadowlands

Hunter game got proc tho? Spinning air

[undone flower]

Blizzard truly cooked with these tier sets right ?

Im on the end boss idk what my tier do / and will not read it

[dense elbow]

MM one is really good tho, so good it should be baked into the spec

[undone flower]

If I don’t read it I’m not disappointed

[dense elbow]

Warrior fills what team flat wants, it just does nothing of impact. Just helps flat being flat and boring

[undone flower]

Yeah I hear it proc when I rb or bt, guess it’s whatever

[dense elbow]

It ain't no explosive shot, that is for sure

[undone flower]

Don’t worry OF tier in 2 months

[dense elbow]

I really don't want that

I just want OF to get another 30-50% buff

[flat river]

real and true

[dense elbow]

Tier will just give them an excuse to leave it weak

[undone flower]

Idk what they could do as tier set, I only started to play fury in S1, was just prot before, I only knew no tier tiers

[dense elbow]

Could be fun with a TierSet that boosted wrecking throw, just so PvP is in an uproar

[cosmic sundial]

After playing Loboz build last night, listening for my sudden death wa is more fun than listening for BT wa

[dense elbow]

Always said that am/BT/exe has been the way to play slayer that feels like how it should be

Like 80% of ppl I got to play it, enjoyed it

[undone flower]

The sudden death mech of slayer is fun design but just the rng on rng is the part I don’t like

[cosmic sundial]

Hearing Melee’s announcer go “SUPER SUDDEEEEEN DEATH” everytime it procs is a joy

[dense elbow]

If only it actually did dam

[cosmic sundial]

It was doing dam last night

🤷‍♂️

[undone flower]

Yeah if it did dam I would enjoy more to get these procs

[cosmic sundial]

When I get back to pc I’ll post details

[dense elbow]

What for?

[undone flower]

My mug first kill

[cosmic sundial]

To show exe damage?

[cosmic sundial]

Congartz

[dense elbow]

That is a 0

[flat river]

which one are u

[dense elbow]

The 0

[undone flower]

Thx I was proud on this one

[flat river]

[cosmic sundial]

I only do heroic so my parses don’t matter

[flat river]

imagine if you could get negative parses

[dense elbow]

Imagine if you can actually clear the raid

Gala you slow

[undone flower]

If you want the damage distribution

[dense elbow]

[flat river]

not my fault ;-;

i was running a heroic pug

when a warrior who was with me asked me if i needed a guild

[cosmic sundial]

No way, French

[dense elbow]

Oui

[flat river]

he told me 30 min into bandit they got it to 30%

i checked their logs and they killed it the next night

[undone flower]

I was in a Napoleon costume just yesterday, yes I’m French

[cosmic sundial]

Honhonhon, I hit ExécuTION, yes?

[flat river]

should i have joined them @dense elbow 💀

[dense elbow]

My answer is the same as the last time you told me this story

[flat river]

oh i told u?

i forgot

i realised i have a really bad memory

[dense elbow]

[flat river]

like

REALLY bad

[dense elbow]

Cause you don't eat enough Kebabs

[cosmic sundial]

Because I feel like being roasted here’s my parses

[flat river]

i couldn't tell you the names of my friends in uni

[undone flower]

Do you forget your birthday ?

[cosmic sundial]

74 gally I cry

[flat river]

no because i get money on my birthday

cannot forgor

[dense elbow]

The only thing worse than your parses, is your progress!

[flat river]

oof

[cosmic sundial]

I’ve cleared the raid that one doesn’t work

[dense elbow]

You are showing HC

My point stands

[cosmic sundial]

Yeah I don’t do mythic

Not a fan of the egos people get

[dense elbow]

Uhuh? Explain

[undone flower]

No I will not show all my fury parses in heroic

[flat river]

[hardy bluff]

so powerful

[cosmic sundial]

Last time I joined a mythic guild was with some homies at the time, and I’ve never been part of a more toxic environment than that guild. The amount of shit they’d say to raiders and to each other just made me uncomfortable

[undone flower]

[dense elbow]

Happy, you a shitter too? Come on, even on prot? Go back to DK, never come back

[flat river]

here is my heroic parses

[cosmic sundial]

Also on Gally I plead mechanic monkey because I’m the one always running the bombs to the coils

[dense elbow]

Looool, boosted trash logs, you even pressing buttons?

[flat river]

thats all i do lol

[warm crag]

tell your guilds mages to wake up or

[flat river]

raid leasder tells me 1 mechanic to do

and i do it

and dps

[cosmic sundial]

The guild mages are why we were wiping

[dense elbow]

Good boy

[cosmic sundial]

As soon as they had me do it

We cleared

[undone flower]

Maybe I should be a heroic bdk

[undone flower]

Yep no way I play bdk another season

Discovering dungeons was fun bc you hear your heart beats

[dense elbow]

How skyhold as fallen, ppl linking shitter logs

[undone flower]

Im a war wdym

Happywar is skyhold allowed ?

[dense elbow]

Your war logs were even wooooorse

[plush zephyr]

Could be worse. Could be talking about lust.

[dense elbow]

If you under all 99s, you already bottom of the shit barrel soup level

[quiet geyser]

Funky post yours

[dense elbow]

I would, but I don't raid

[undone flower]

I did the hc raid once as fury (the last 3, I forgot there were adds on Gallywix

[quiet geyser]

I don't understand playing wow

And not raiding

[plush zephyr]

? Some people can’t lol

Like me

[dense elbow]

I burned out in amirdrasil, never got back into it

[undone flower]

Stop bully me

[dense elbow]

Looool trash

[plush zephyr]

I mean I can jump into random pugs or whatever but I’d rather just put that time towards doing keys

[dense elbow]

Look at that, he tried but couldn't!

Looool

[plush zephyr]

Some people don’t have a schedule that allows them to commit to a raid team lol

[flat river]

skill issue

[plush zephyr]

Exactly

[quiet geyser]

My comment was subjective of course. I personally just don't see a point to this game without raiding lol

[plush zephyr]

M+

Collections

[cosmic sundial]

I feel bad because I like Funky but I'm too stupid to know if you're serious or not

[plush zephyr]

Alts

[cosmic sundial]

[flat river]

game is balanced around raid

[undone flower]

Visions

[plush zephyr]

Balanced?

[dense elbow]

Meh, just in case a new guy is in here:
We just meme about logs. Don't worry

[flat river]

yes they don't balance classes on mythic+

only for raid

[nimble sphinx]

I'm confused too

[plush zephyr]

I know this and don’t understand why it’s relevant

[undone flower]

20 man m raid is perfect

[quiet geyser]

I mean, not entirely true. We literally just got patch notes that buffed warrior specifically for m+ lol

[flat river]

cause they are balanced on raid?

[undone flower]

4 months into the patch

[dense elbow]

Or was it? They bug fixed WW/clap, so that is why it got adjusted.

[quiet geyser]

Changes are changes my friend

[dense elbow]

OF not being an overall increase, but a window increase - is for raid, not m+

[undone flower]

Yes they do m+ changes when raid tuning is irrelevant

[dense elbow]

I say it was raid buffs

[plush zephyr]

And? As a m+ only player I understand what I’ve signed up for for a long time now

[undone flower]

But still they are scared of raid tuning with m+ tunings

And funky is right OF buff is obviously raid tuning

[dense elbow]

They nerfed fury for raid, while we already behind in m+. In a way that mostly hurt m+

[flat river]

what i mean is, you wont have as much fun in m+ as in raid because fury is balanced to deal good damage in raid but sucks in m+

[plush zephyr]

People can play this game without raiding and enjoy it. Crazy. What’s even crazier is the VAST majority of of players don’t even do m+ or raiding lmao

[cosmic sundial]

So @dense elbow you only do m+ right?

[dense elbow]

More or less

[plush zephyr]

Who’s you? Who are you to say this

[flat river]

Galastronk the Chef

[sand crest]

valid

[cosmic sundial]

Minor optimization question then, when you charge in first pull do you Rampage first to enrage or TC/WW to get cleaver?

[plush zephyr]

People telling other people what’s fun and what would be more fun is mad weird

[dense elbow]

I use OF to enrage

[flat river]

im not telling you its not fun, im telling you raid is more fun

[cosmic sundial]

Even at 80 fury?

[dense elbow]

Even at max level Fury

[warm crag]

should be whirlwinding during the charge

[flat river]

i think he meant rage

[cosmic sundial]

I did

sorry

[warm crag]

even if the last "tick" of ww hits an enemy you still get the meat cleaver stacks

[flat river]

xd

[dense elbow]

Dont do that in m+ tho

Ya riskbtaking Threat

While tank gathers

Always hold for the root and gather, dont be that guy that dies cause you wanted 10k more DPS

[flat river]

always be that guy

[dense elbow]

[bitter plover]

Debating on a dps spec for my delve prot warr as I start on doing some m+, did a quick scan and it looks like the general consensus is arms for aoe?

[flat river]

[bitter plover]

I prefer fury based on what I've done with dummies, is it fine enough for 7s max?

[cosmic sundial]

tbf, I'm the guy who dies because tank takes every disorient to the face and I'm the closest thing to melee

[warm crag]

fury is probably better for what you are trying to do, but just try both and play whichever you prefer

[dense elbow]

If you ain't doing the content at the 0.1% level, play what ever you want and don't think about it

[bitter plover]

Thanks buds

[undone flower]

Miam when the tank will be gathering in ara Kara next season and I will be roar+ spinning in the stairs

[flat river]

for m+ arms is stronger, for delves fury is stronger cause smaller pulls, adds die fast, and fury is tankier

[bitter plover]

Exactly what I wanted to hear

[cosmic sundial]

this makes sense. Probably better to WW since better chance of hitting than trying to time a TC?

[warm crag]

oh you're thane

[cosmic sundial]

I'm testing both

[warm crag]

idk man i dont have ww bound as thane

[cosmic sundial]

My og question had tc and ww

[flat river]

should be battleshouting during charge

[bitter plover]

I would keep prot for delves but I don't always want to tank in dungeons so I'm trying to sort that part out. appreciate the response.

[dense elbow]

He gonna ww, get threat, die -15 sec

[cosmic sundial]

Never

I'm a good noodle

[flat river]

easy fix, use a tank trinket

[dense elbow]

Egg noodle

[undone flower]

If you don’t want to lose 1 rage on pull bc out of combat, put taunt in the macro

[dense elbow]

[cosmic sundial]

[undone flower]

Don’t forget heroic leap reset taunt if you missed the first

[cosmic sundial]

lmao wait why does it do that xD

[flat river]

could also heroic throw

[undone flower]

100% mandatory tech

Even as prot, I NEVER used that interaction

And nowhere it is stated

[plush zephyr]

I just said there’s people like me that can’t lol. I can jump into random pugs, but my schedule and shit doesn’t allow for me to commit to a team. Game is mad fun without raiding though. Wouldn’t be playing if it wasn’t lol. WoW also realizes there’s a bigger player base doing stuff outside of raiding then actually mythic raiding or even heroic raiding

[odd rune]

hey looking at the class tunings for next week, i am curious, the buff to Whirlwind damage, does that buff include the damage of other abilities transferred via the whirlwind buff?

[plush zephyr]

Hence delves and a shit ton of world content, and m+

[sand crest]

it most definitely doesnt

[cosmic sundial]

strictly whirlwind damage itself

[odd rune]

figured, cheers fellas

[undone flower]

Yes WoW needs to please every players / like me who sub only for the raid

Or the delve/lore enjoyers

I guess housing landlords soon

[plush zephyr]

omg housing I keep forgetting lol

I just want a place to look at all my mounts

like a garage?

[floral frigate]

stables

[undone flower]

I didn’t see the preview I hope you will be able to drift with the car in the neighborhood

honk at your guild mate to hop in and raid another guildmate house to put all his paintings upside down

[dense elbow]

Daily I hate Reap Proc RNG message

[torpid elbow]

Can I join I need a full heroic clear

[runic geyser]

How do ya'll feel about the buffs coming

[whole yacht]

mid

5% MAX buff

wont change anything for our invite chances or make competetive in dmg

[steady pumice]

How much is the buffs gonna do in m+? Cant see any pins about it

ah, I see u just asked

[whole yacht]

we will still be out dps'd by everyone else on large pulls. and still spend 45 minutes trying to get into a 14 pug

😄

[steady pumice]

to be fair it takes long to get into 14 pugs whatever u play Im guessing

[whole yacht]

no

it doesnt

[undone flower]

The biggest change is ppl who didn’t press slam as filler in raid had the vision

[steady pumice]

400 DPS applicants per tank

why pick anything but the top

[undone flower]

It takes longer bc you fight the no bl- no brez spot

In pug

• brown L

• you can remove keys with prot tank and key holder have the no double classes brain damage

[runic geyser]

you can easy fix Brez with cables though

[undone flower]

You are coping if you think pug key holder will do anything with that info

[runic geyser]

i really haven't been running into issues

[undone flower]

Me neither but I’m prot for higher keys / and I get insta invited in 10s-12s as fury so I’m not among those affected

[runic geyser]

i'm arms atm

because fury just isn't competitive in keys

[dense elbow]

our dam is kinda shit, so yap

[undone flower]

S3 will fix fury

[dense elbow]

døpt

[runic geyser]

prayage

[undone flower]

Blizzard will fix us I promise

nerf fury warrior on retail, classic, mop, and private servers

[runic geyser]

We noticed mages were performing well, so we nerf warriors

[hardy cargo]

dont forget

we also buff mages

[undone flower]

Ofc brown is 42% blue after all

[runic geyser]

nvl

ngl my alt mage is blasting

[undone flower]

Im on Gally so im starting to prep other chars for next tier (I know deep inside ill be warrior)

So I’m prepping dk/pala/druid for the reroll fiesta after prog

Maybe monk

[heavy galleon]

For Blizzard Warrior is good, Novix do some 20 key

[undone flower]

Like Hpal is so good in keys right ?

[hardy bluff]

monk is mega fun

can recommend

[runic geyser]

we need more util or dmg

[heavy galleon]

we are good for raid but M+ is hard for us

[runic geyser]

well yes, our AoE is capped

[undone flower]

I trend toward war/dk/monk tbf after playing ret in visions huuuuh

[vague sierra]

We need a shout that makes mobs pretend they don't see us

stealth shout

ezpz

[undone flower]

I think bl is the best I could see on war, but I think blizz is afraid of 1 tank having bl

[runic geyser]

Really?

[quiet yew]

lmao

[runic geyser]

i don't think BL is really what warriors need, give us some DR on rallying cry

[undone flower]

You know at least 2 spots in a group is reserved for bl and brez

So if those are 2 dps for example, you are fighting the last spot against every dps specs including extra brez specs and ppl having BLs already

[runic geyser]

Brez is fixed with cables, any players worth their sand knows this

[undone flower]

#fury message

[runic geyser]

i know iknow..

[undone flower]

But I do know cables fix it, I saved many keys as prot with these things

[summer imp]

Everybody says take void ritual but i think Twilight dev is the shit.

[plush zephyr]

Then use it

[warm crag]

Mythischer Schlüsselstein

[quiet yew]

ye its german

[warm crag]

i am aware

[winter shoal]

Allow me to translate for you Spongus:
Mythischer = mythic
Schlüssel = key
Stein = stone
Mythischer Schlüsselstein = mythic keystone

Hope that helps

[warm crag]

do you know where i am from

[still sun]

From müffiger schlüsselsteinland

[sudden tusk]

As a sponge do you live in a pineapple under the sea

[winter shoal]

The place where people forget to update their mythic broodtwister builds to use BF+FF after nerfs

Or buffs rather

[coarse nest]

Gottem

[tepid cedar]

Are you absorbent and yellow as he???

[orchid dagger]

And porous is he???

[tepid cedar]

Does he drop on the deck a flop like a fish???

[orchid dagger]

[tawny musk]

Any numbers on fury tuning coming up

[chrome plover]

#updates-midnight

[tawny musk]

So probably still arms in m+ huh

[chrome plover]

yep

[clever belfry]

@young swan

[last sparrow]

ff14

[undone flower]

Fuck the French

[narrow summit]

?

[undone flower]

I have the Pass

[narrow summit]

Ha mb you’re allowed then

Fuck the french indeed

[noble elm]

“French nationalism”

Patriotism?

I have three French dudes on my team and them saying something like that is super on brand for them lol

[clever belfry]

limsa simulator

[last sparrow]

https://tenor.com/bpPVG.gif

[clever belfry]

m*n

[last sparrow]

catgirl only

[sullen dove]

i have met the sphere

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/sphene-ffxiv-dawntrail-sphere-gif-8076540594294489330

[junior gale]

Can't say that anymore they made Expedition 33

[south kayak]

Oh god that is so true

I take it back

[hollow juniper]

Any recommended talent trees with odyn fury

[keen kindle]

I love these people who have a hissy fit and decide to just decline evreyone

[sudden tusk]

Idk what happened but I got invited to a bunch of 17s yesterday

[keen kindle]

we ball

[south kayak]

Congrats

[thick fossil]

If I played FF14, I'd be the most jaded lalafell or Viera.

Little white mage that hates everyone.

[sudden tusk]

Ff14 is a good game

[clever belfry]

ff14 is a pile of techdebt and weird decisions

[sudden tusk]

It's content structure for a WoW player is weird though if you don't like side content after the main story stuff to do runs out fast

New bozja next week

[clever belfry]

if u know, u know

[winter shoal]

It's just like me frfr

[sudden tusk]

Limsa ...

[clever belfry]

glamour is the true endgame

[sudden tusk]

The people I know don't even farm glam they are character modders

[clever belfry]

modbeast losers

= dont engage

[junior gale]

Dubious ff14 mods

[lost saffron]

@mossy fox

[quiet breach]

I have still never used a cables

never even knew they were a thing until like a week ago

[undone flower]

it's bc you're the one getting brezd

[quiet breach]

can u buy them on the AH?

I have 2 in my inventory but it says they might fail

not at PC so can't check

[quiet breach]

if I buy rank 3 version is it guaranteed rez?

[undone flower]

they all are guarantee rez

i think it the cast time for quality

[tired root]

guise is worht taking Unbridled Ferocity talent and 1 point into Deft Expirience for bandit myth or should take 2 points in Deft Expirience talent? Mountain Thane

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/gandalf-hope-kindled-gif-27484735

[sudden tusk]

Beleib

[iron portal]

I would answer you with gif

[mossy fox]

lmao

[iron portal]

But then this chat gets too wild

[dense elbow]

Believe

[south kayak]

[opal monolith]

Fury when

💤

[fast mural]

no need cause fury is perfect

[dense elbow]

TLDR: We are fine. Could need a minor boost on AoE. Fix talent tree so nodes are wanted.

[opal monolith]

Worst tldr ever

[dense elbow]

truth sucks

[sullen tendon]

straight up cope

[dense elbow]

oh not you again

[sullen tendon]

im fighting for a better future

[dense elbow]

nah, you fighting for internet points

[opal monolith]

Biggest copium I ever seen

[sullen tendon]

"Fury is comepltley fine it just needs tuning" (Guy farming raid parses)

[opal monolith]

Lmaooo

[dense elbow]

"Fury is unplayable" every cringe complainer ever

[sullen tendon]

Fury isnt unplayable. Its unwanted and old.

[fast mural]

"revert to week 0 of TWW"

[dense elbow]

you got my attention, we talking tuning raw numbers, or damage profile and potential?

[opal monolith]

Some people enjoy being bottom and that's fine kitty

[dense elbow]

How do you know ppl dont know my stance, Bearrly is an ace example.

[fast mural]

the fuck are we talking about?

[dense elbow]

We just fighting for fun

[sullen tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/self-flagellation-noo-forgetful-stupid-flogging-gif-21815218

[fast mural]

this seems like some m+ andy takes

[dense elbow]

ya aint wrong

I just want OF to be a big DPS increase in m+ and let me do big AoE dam (compared to other classes)

and I am golden

You raiders can keep falling asleep with your flat dam profiles

I dont mind

[sullen tendon]

the class fantasy of fury needs to be updated

blizzard never utilized warrior fantasy well

just auto attack machine

[plush zephyr]

Fantasy

[fast mural]

ngl i hated odyns fury when it was strong

[sullen tendon]

3 of our abilities are auto attacks

[fast mural]

1 gcd and you have aggro

[fast mural]

annihilator isnt a thing anymore

[sullen tendon]

Rampage is an auto attack wth a longer animation

[fast mural]

are you also upset that hunters only have auto shots as buttons?

[sullen tendon]

their auto attacks actually do stuff

[fast mural]

or making your pet auto attack stronger

[sullen tendon]

cobra shot looks cool

[fast mural]

one could argue that rampage does too

[sullen tendon]

rapid fire looks cool

all of our abilities are auto attacks with 2 hands

[fast mural]

people loved it when it came out in legion

so?

do you want warrior to use magic ?

[sullen tendon]

They under utilize what we could do as a weapon master/ dual wielding barbarian esc class

[plush zephyr]

Not really. We’re pretty barebones and thats following warrior fantasy

[sullen tendon]

give fury more range by giving them some cd that chucks a bunch of weapons at enemies

better sidearm

[fast mural]

this man doesnt know about heroic throw

[sullen tendon]

they thought they were doing something with wrecking throw

then jsut gave up

[fast mural]

was good on razageth

[sullen tendon]

barely

[plush zephyr]

Bro do you ever have anything good to say about Warrior

[sullen tendon]

fuckedup that our class tree dedicates like 3 slots purely for pvp

[plush zephyr]

Why do you play it

Cause you seem to hate it

[fast mural]

which ones are those ?

[sullen tendon]

I want it to be awesome

[sullen tendon]

Champion spear, wrecking throw, shattering throw.

[fast mural]

waht about piercing howl

[oblique trail]

Shattering maybe, what does spear or wrecking have to do with specifically pvp though

[sullen tendon]

that too

[fast mural]

spear is pvp only

[oblique trail]

We've played Spear plenty of times in pve?

[fast mural]

lmao

[sullen tendon]

no one fucking uses it outside of pvp

[oblique trail]

ok

does this just suddenly change history that no one uses it in pve anymore?

[fast mural]

so if roar was used in pvp and spear in pve you would have an issue with roar ?

[plush zephyr]

Pretty sure Gio was running spear the other week

Because fun

[sullen tendon]

what about roar. roar is just a hit it and ignore it until it comes up again button

[fast mural]

like every CD ever

for every class

[plush zephyr]

What do you want it to be

[fast mural]

[sullen tendon]

you have ot plan other cds

roar is just go

[plush zephyr]

Plan?

PLAN?

[oblique trail]

do you have to plan it anymore than the rest of your CDs?

[fast mural]

BM doesnt even have CDs

also ret exists

[oblique trail]

You don't

[sullen tendon]

Should I use reck and avatar when this mob is at 15% health? no I should hold it. Should I use thunderous roar when its at 15% health? sure idc

roar does barely any damage anyways

[oblique trail]

That is a mentality to have for sure

[fast mural]

we are talking rotationaly not situationally

[oblique trail]

Did Asmongold also tell you to just use CDs like that and it's why you use it as such

[sullen tendon]

asmongold betrayed us

[plush zephyr]

Why should there be more thought process

[fast mural]

bro i love this guy

pls keep talking

[clever belfry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294680138042183711/1376264427900240003/image.png?ex=6834b1a1&is=68336021&hm=3f46a4bedcc64fa899805e9d385e9600aad31f6cf5d3f2afa0a799e586be7b66&

[clever belfry]

he did do this for siege of orgrimmar actually

[plush zephyr]

He did say something along the lines of Fury hasn’t been on top since Asmon stopped playing

[sullen tendon]

20:23

[oblique trail]

The time is currently 20:25

[sullen tendon]

I said blizzard stopped giving a shit about fury and wariror in genearl when their poster child cash cow stopped playing the game

[plush zephyr]

Ah

[clever belfry]

"poster child"

[plush zephyr]

That’s what it was

[clever belfry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrpfY95DHmk @oblique trail

[oblique trail]

I can see the correlation

[clever belfry]

before he became a grifter 🙏

[oblique trail]

I'm not watching that but thank you An🅱️a

[clever belfry]

he was actually semi entertaining back then

[sullen tendon]

yea

legion and before

[plush zephyr]

Ah man. That. Kinda hurts to watch

[sullen tendon]

the only entertaining wow streamer that wasnt sweaty try harding

[clever belfry]

how to be an elitist is probably his best vid tho

[plush zephyr]

He was so kind.

[clever belfry]

but he was sweaty try harding

literally

24 7

[sullen tendon]

it was lax

[clever belfry]

that was the shtick

[sullen tendon]

classic kinda ruined wow streaming

[plush zephyr]

?

[clever belfry]

now thats a take

[oblique trail]

The game itself ruined streaming for it if anything

[sullen tendon]

only people who stream retail are boring mdi/ world first people and only people who stream classic are sterotypical influencer types. Theres no inbetween

[fast mural]

clearly people are more interested in leveling content for streams than high end content

[clever belfry]

cause wow content is just

not interesting is it

[oblique trail]

Outside of RWF/maybe MDI etc., it's just not entertaining to watch general gameplay

[clever belfry]

michael "mr gaming" preach gets more viewers than all these bozos when he streams campaign 12 weeks after it came out

its just too easy for the goat

[sullen tendon]

Streamers have kind of evolved to have their own individual ecosystems where they have oribters that feed them gear and gold and stuff and they never have to interact with any real players.

[oblique trail]

Michael "Mr Gaming " "insert redacted statement" Preach

[fast mural]

with great takes when it comes to mythic raiding

[clever belfry]

u cant say that banezi

[oblique trail]

I just did

[sullen tendon]

Mythic raiding hasnt been compeltely worth it in years

unless you get fed bis gear consistently and dont have a struggle raid team

[clever belfry]

what

[oblique trail]

What are you even saying

[sullen tendon]

i was responding to ravon

[fast mural]

unless you are in a top 20 guild its a waste of time

even those wipe hundreds of times tho

so i guess there isnt a guild with a no struggle raid team

[clever belfry]

man i hate when people enjoy just playing a boss

[sullen tendon]

Mythic raiding is plagued by nomads who guild hop constantly just for parses and loot and people dont want to spend weeks wiping on bosses for slightly better loot.

[oblique trail]

You must be speaking from your own experience

[fast mural]

guild hop as in didnt pass the trial

[clever belfry]

idk maybe this happens in shit guilds

[sullen tendon]

people jsut get gear and then dip for the rest of the tier

then you have to wait for replacements

then you have to re wipe on a boss for the new people to get used to it

[oblique trail]

In all the guilds I've been in since start of BFA, I cannot say this has happened to me ever

From barely making CE, to wr 50

I must've just been crazy lucky all those years

[fast mural]

you have to get new people in anyway if you have people on the bench

[sullen tendon]

its not worth the time or effort

[oblique trail]

For you maybe 👍

[fast mural]

the only people that get loot and dip are trials who dont pass the trial in my experience

[oblique trail]

I never cared about the loot

[clever belfry]

what does

• effort
• being worth
  mean in regards to a game

[oblique trail]

I just wanted to kill bosses

[fast mural]

and those dont get BiS items

[eager thorn]

This hasnt been the experience for me in my past 4 guilds

Which have all been at p different skill tiers

[sullen tendon]

"past 4 guilds"

[eager thorn]

Ye cos im new to wow

[fast mural]

you are the problem cant you see it

[eager thorn]

I’m not gonna get into a ce guild straight away so gotta jump a bit

[fast mural]

oh i thought we were talking about changing guilds every tier cause of rankings

not going from non CE to CE

[eager thorn]

Idk it coulda been

Just my reason for jumping was non ce to ce

[fast mural]

thats different

[junior gale]

if you do some mythic pugs and get good parses you can prob get into a CE guild with no CE experience

[remote bobcat]

Mate people play at a committed competitive level because they enjoy it, its always „worth“

[dense elbow]

Well, there are two levels: Hobbyist worth and progamer worth

Hobbyist is if it is fun and you enjoy it. Pro is it pays the bills

I am starting to get this sneaking feeling

this is beyond hope

[flat river]

MoP classic warrior guide?

:O

[iron portal]

@modest condor

[modest condor]

EP OUT

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/plankton-eating-popcorn-popcorn-plankton-meme-plankton-yes-gif-18251234252356731757

[clever belfry]

suprised this image isnt crustier

[iron portal]

Freshly found during SD card purge

[static rock]

@edgy widget So, the OF being better in MT but worse in ST, what did you replace for those talents?

[upbeat plume]

VC mabye?

also funny side effect, WW with no talents now does more damage then slam after that buff on tuesday

so now ww will be filler again even on ST

[static rock]

You used slam?

[upbeat plume]

oh almost never just that rare moment of bad rng with resets

was just a funny thing to me lol

[static rock]

In Raid, right?

[upbeat plume]

yes? the full ST build dosent use ww currently

[static rock]

Well, i would say good to know, but now ww will be used, so just neat

[upbeat plume]

oh yeah its super irrelvant especially with current gear levels, was just a funny thing I noticed cause there was a discussion on that topic way back at expansion launch, nothing major was just funny to me lol

[tranquil jetty]

hi furries

i was thinking of trying out fury

[mystic hill]

hai

[mystic hill]

dont

[tranquil jetty]

is it in a good spot in M+ or should I just stick with arms

oh

[warm cipher]

go arms xD

[sage ridge]

It is ass in M+

[upbeat plume]

both war specs arent super great atm

[sage ridge]

It is fun though

[static rock]

This is how fury has been feeling, damage wise at least

hella fun rotation wise imo

[tranquil jetty]

im an outlaw main so im used to feeling pain

[sage ridge]

Fury is worse

by a good amount

[tranquil jetty]

ehhhhh

you havent experienced taking mandatory AR Downtime cause of TOP portals

[sage ridge]

I am just talking damage and utility

They are worse

by a good amount

[fading sky]

Loosing stacks as arms

Equal pain

[south kayak]

not even close

[torpid elbow]

You’ll love it man

And don’t listen to them saying it’s ass in mythic + I don’t around 10-12 mill especially in brew

[sage ridge]

Isn't it pretty easy to avoid losing AR uptime on TOP portals

Like don't use your 3min cd when the pack is dead?

Cause I could lose uptime on Avatar just as easily if I used it like that

[tranquil jetty]

no cause subterfuge fades between the time you enter and exit

[sage ridge]

What level of keys are you planning on doing on Fury?

You'll be fine if you aren't trying to push higher

Same with any spec

[dense elbow]

Pushing on the 16-17 overlap now, it works fine to play as Fury. Think it will be fine till at least 18 range. And I play OF

[sage ridge]

Do you pug?

[dense elbow]

yep

[sage ridge]

I accidentally put my own key up while in Fury spec over Arms and could notice a dip in applications

[edgy widget]

VC

[ashen jungle]

have blizz done something with our hp btw? i used to have 13.5m with a priest buff and now i only got 13.1 so lost like 400k same talents same items

[edgy widget]

nope

[ashen jungle]

okey both me and 2 other warr in guild lost hp and none of us has changed talent or gear

[remote bobcat]

i think there must be some misunderstanding somewhere

[flat river]

Hello Archi

Are we going to be playing odyns now

[remote bobcat]

im currently afk in workshop for 5 mins because both tank and heal keep failing workshop maze

neat

[flat river]

[whole yacht]

love that

[flat river]

Sadge that u can't leap above the maze though

Would be big

[whole yacht]

if you do it right, you can leap through more than half of it

[dense elbow]

Same priest, or? Cause priest can talent into 3% more stamina from Fortitude

That would explain your diff

I spin

[winter shoal]

I challenge you to ctrl + f

[dense elbow]

If Gala asks, after talking to me

He aint even trying to know

30% on this soon if only it was 60%

[timber hare]

You running the loboz?!

[south kayak]

Shjould have been 80%

[dense elbow]

125%, but yeah

Also, no, not Loboz

[timber hare]

Oh? Just the raid cleave spec?

[flat river]

i talked to you

i know your opinion

but i need a second opinion

xd

[remote bobcat]

vs 3.1k mage in workshop

lol

[modest condor]

meh 3.1k means nothing anymore at this point

[remote bobcat]

real

[dense elbow]

3.1k is what, top 30%?

[modest condor]

3.5mil is pretty good in a workshop tho

[remote bobcat]

these people suck

the other fury idk what he was doing

i dont even know how i got invited

but thats ok

[dense elbow]

3.5m tells me adds lived for a long time, so you got to pad

[modest condor]

i mean it's probably like top 10%, but that's 10% of all characters that have done m+

[remote bobcat]

^

[dense elbow]

All I know is that top 1% is 3.4k ish

Rest is beneath notice

[modest condor]

if we're just talking about people that actually put in the effort to learn their class and dungeons it's probably like barely top 50%

[remote bobcat]

guys guys regardless of what % what is - this mage sucked

we agree?

[dense elbow]

Nah

[remote bobcat]

oh?

[dense elbow]

I disagree on princliple

[remote bobcat]

i played odyns fury

in that key

[dense elbow]

Ok, so you are correct

[remote bobcat]

still disagree?

Ahh

my man

🤝

slayer feels shit

dont like it

[dense elbow]

I like it, dam is just low and AoE is far too random

#makeReapStatic

[remote bobcat]

slayer was like

i press BT

no dam

i press bt again

reap proc

big significant visual jump of my dps

Ok

not shit at all

[dense elbow]

You fail reap thrice, you cant recover the DPS loss

[modest condor]

reap has upwards of 66% chance to proc on aoe

it's consistent enough

[dense elbow]

Reap has a 20% when you storm, making the variance enourmous on big pulls

[remote bobcat]

sil were u eu or na

[modest condor]

eu

[remote bobcat]

goat

look at this SD proc animation

wings of death

[modest condor]

you're still way overexaggerating the swings in dps from reap

do i need to bring up the ovinax example again

[remote bobcat]

ovi was crazy reap farming

yeppers

[modest condor]

yeah

[dense elbow]

I really dont, you just brush things under "if you do 1000 pulls"

[modest condor]

and multiple people linking screenshots of their damage breakdown

and they were all within like 2% on their reap procs

[dense elbow]

Ok, Silm, you get that sometimes reap doesnt proc at all, yeah?

[modest condor]

yeah

[dense elbow]

Some times it all proc, yeah?

[modest condor]

and another time it will get multiple procs

[dense elbow]

The dam diff is huge

[modest condor]

not really unless you're doing a low key and trash dies from your bladestorm

[dense elbow]

The lost damage in the BS window is lost either way

Do I agree that if you do hundreds of runs, thousands of instances, that it averages out? Sure

Do I agree that you cant lowball it? No

[modest condor]

it evens out within a same dungeon

[dense elbow]

Reap can be 13% reap can be 8%

[modest condor]

ive never seen that big of a swing

[dense elbow]

I am not going to fight statistics. I only dislike that when it doesnt proc, you do 0 dam compared when you get all the procs, not to mention you have the layer of if it crits or not. It is out of my hands 100% and it feels terrible on an ability that you build up and need to have impact.

Not that BS is that impactful either way but for fury, sure I can agree it does some dam

[ashen jungle]

missunderstanding of what? i know for a fact just a couple of days ago i had 13.5m and now i get max 13.1m

[dense elbow]

Did you check what I asked, Trec?

[ashen jungle]

ah okey i missed your question. 🙂 must be that other priests havnt been running that then ye 🙂

[modest condor]

do you have logs of the 2 nights?

[dense elbow]

or vods, for that matter

[iron portal]

OF IN

[clever path]

yes whirlwind damage was our problem dev

[dense elbow]

If it actually increases the dam by 120% from WW, I am happy with it, decent chunk of AoE dam right there

[clever path]

id rather they ungut our aoe dam from back in nerubar

boomie mage dk are allowed to be busted but warrior cant be good

[iron portal]

Interchange buffs for ww and OF

:)))

[dense elbow]

[clever path]

global 100% increase to all aoe abilities

fixed

[dense elbow]

That would make up actually broken in M+ tho, we are only 10% ish behind

(if you include AP value from shout)

[sullen dove]

120% on odyns is not makin us broken 😭

4% turns into what 9-10

who cares bout dat

[dense elbow]

yep

I do

[sullen dove]

we know

[dense elbow]

That is the tuning I want on it, for my dam profile

[red berry]

the whirlwind buff is a nice thing for slayer, honestly

[dense elbow]

Yep

[red berry]

id drop sidearm for the other one because

[sullen dove]

slam removed on st now

[red berry]

it'll do more then hit 3 mobs

[sullen dove]

[iron portal]

Meatgrinder when

[sullen dove]

ww hit more dam

pls bring back meatgrinder

[oblique trail]

Reverb is hot garbage for Whirlwind

[red berry]

please

please please please

[clever path]

id rather they buff bladestorms aoe

[torpid elbow]

answer me this is odyns fury gonna he useful?

[red berry]

i wasn't talking about seismic

[clever belfry]

sidearm is not on that node...

ballnezii...

[oblique trail]

FUCK

[sullen dove]

balls...

[clever belfry]

its with barb training

[oblique trail]

Whirlwind still poo

[sullen dove]

isnt that just like 10% ww dam

or something

a lil bit of crit dam maybe

[red berry]

20% and 10% crit

[dense elbow]

WW is around 3-4% of your overall, a 120% on that is decent

[modest condor]

did you know that there was a time where sidearm was uncapped

[sullen dove]

<2.5% here

a reasonable overall

nowhere should ww ever be 4%

[remote bobcat]

not an accurate representation swordish

[modest condor]

bring back mbg for fury

[remote bobcat]

this was loboz

[sullen dove]

[remote bobcat]

no rb resets

loboz build doesnt run RB resets

[sullen dove]

so you would have more rb damage

and even less ww damage?

[remote bobcat]

so i had to ww in ST all the time

[sullen dove]

[remote bobcat]

yes

[red berry]

85 + 120% becomes 180.

[sullen dove]

cool so ww doesl ike 1.5% overall

or less

[red berry]

whirlwind would have done more then odyn there

but odyn is also getting a cute buff, so

[dense elbow]

Our top dam log

[sullen dove]

what in gods name is this

and why is bladestorm 18%

[remote bobcat]

xddd

[red berry]

i think whirlwind will also do more in bigger pull dungeons

say, cinderbrew

where bladestorm would also do more damage

[dense elbow]

Welcome to M+, and ye, 100% cinder

[remote bobcat]

xdddd

[sullen dove]

there is no way even cinderbrew looks like that

[red berry]

lmao

[remote bobcat]

swordish

how tf would u know

u dont even play wow

lil rat

[sullen dove]

wow is mid

[red berry]

honestly my whirlwind did about 263-265 mil in my cinderbrew i ran the build in, so

[sullen dove]

i am congregating with the s p h e r e

[remote bobcat]

you play until the tier is over and then you go gooning over anime girls man

[sullen dove]

wha

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spheeeere

[red berry]

sphere

ponder the orbn

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is FF sub based?