fury

[quiet breach]

or sockets

[junior gale]

Ok now your at the point you want Crit and are using pacemaker

It's not that complicated

[quiet breach]

maybe 🤷‍♂️

i would have to sim everything again

which I don't really care to do tbh u could be right

maybe I will if I get bored to see if crit isn't giga dogshit

like sim recrafting some crafts to crit

[junior gale]

Secondaries barely matter don't take them to seriously you min maxing small numbers here

[marble schooner]

how much sanity recovery at lvl 3?

[quiet breach]

yeah that's why I said I didn't care to go simming a bunch of shit again

[junior gale]

Yee just vibe

[quiet breach]

I would have to be hella bored for like 0.0001% dps increase

[fickle bluff]

150

[quiet breach]

also prob not even worth the gold

[marble schooner]

hmm yeah I guess with that + luck with potions its doable

[quiet breach]

are people speed running the horrific visions

or competing in some type of way with it

or is it purely only for fun content

[sullen tendon]

They made it in season 1 to only do full damage to 5 targets instead of 8. That’s still there.

[small hemlock]

Any detriment for mixing 2h with 1h ?

[quiet breach]

yes massive lol

[marble schooner]

for fun

[quiet breach]

look at what your 2h and 1h talents do

I forgot the name of the 2h one

but the 1h is like, single minded fury I think

[small hemlock]

Titan grip

[quiet breach]

u get buff for using one type if u talent it

[small hemlock]

But I think that's automatic in retail now isn't it

[sullen dove]

titan is automatic smf is a talent

idk the specific of mixing just that a 1hand weapon does less damage and has less stats than a 2hand

its probably "possible" just obv not ideal

not sure if something functionally breaks doing that tho

if 2h/1h is still better than 1h/1h or something

[small hemlock]

I was just curious lol. I had a higher ilvl 1h

[quiet breach]

how much higher

[small hemlock]

606 vs 634

[quiet breach]

prob not better

[sullen dove]

if familiar with simming can maybe see but i think the 2hands till does more like inherent dps which i think means youd still want it in your mainhand

[quiet breach]

I suggest changing to arms loot specilization

so u don't get 1 handers

[sullen dove]

and that yea

[small hemlock]

I am

I just keep getting 1h from the gearing quest bags

[quiet breach]

u can get a 2h from nightfall champion track

go do it real fast

well u can get a champ track piece every day

alongside hella veteran ones now

gearing is a joke

[small hemlock]

I have that sword. And I have currency for another

Now. I got it in the time I asked the question

[still iron]

is anyone whirlwinding on mountain thane

I cant imagine it just checking

[remote bobcat]

theres a niché case which you can effectively ignore

[quiet breach]

its niche but I'm noticing it enough times now that I want to bind whirlwind on thane lol

[chilly fractal]

Huh

[remote bobcat]

i am NOT whirlwinding just so i can force tblast in enrage

Angry_cat

[edgy widget]

can if you want, but it's not going to add any appreciable damage either way

[mossy pelican]

I be hittin ww when I reck+avatar charge a group cause no cleave rampage is some feelsbad

Butt dyno tells me it rocks

[fickle cedar]

yeah ill never not cleave a rampage

[edgy widget]

Sure, but you can do the same thing with TC

[fickle cedar]

not if you have a charge from the previous pack tho, sending it unenraged hurts my soul

[edgy widget]

if you have a Blast charge from the previous pack you probably also have Enrage or WW buff still up as well

unironically one of the best things you can do is actually talent Fresh Meat, since Thane doesn't really care about BT damage all that much

[atomic geode]

Any recommendation for a crafted weapon to get? Currently 641 ilvl with 623 ilvl weapons

[summer quail]

a 2h strength one

[atomic geode]

I'm looking more for what ingredients I should be going for to get a good high ilvl crafted weapon

[sullen tendon]

Did they ever nerf ravager or was it always this weak.

[south kayak]

Yes

[edgy widget]

na Ravager has always been kinda weak; it's more of a rotation enabler than a major source of damage

[edgy widget]

#1237307555961634826 message

[sweet palm]

It was kinda weak. It is more about the rage generation and Unhinged procs.

[atomic geode]

Thank you!

[storm birch]

finally got my first 17 🥲

[quiet breach]

that's not what I mean, I mean when you are sub 80 rage, with no RB charges and BT/TC on cooldown

and u can't execute either

tbh I don't know when and when I CANT press execute idk how that works

but I know I sometimes can't which is weird

[smoky vale]

in that case you would ww

or heroic throw

[quiet breach]

I need to actually go read execute again

when I get to my pc

[winter shoal]

The correct answer is to ww but also if you literally just afk for a global it's basically the same

[quiet breach]

dawg u know that feel when u accidently send a non enraged thunderous roar on an entire pack

holy fuck that feels like cancer

[winter shoal]

Very minor deal

Roar hit doesn't do shit

And the dot updates when you become enraged

[quiet breach]

OHHHHH

I never knew this

[winter shoal]

Like it's wrong but it's not a big deal

[quiet breach]

I thought i was destroying my damage lol

didn't know the dot updated

[quiet breach]

can ur dot downgrade back to non enraged version

[winter shoal]

Yes

Almost nothing snapshots anymore

[quiet breach]

did blizzard specifically go out of there way to remove snapshotting from the game because they thought it was bad?

or did it kindve just naturally go away over time

[winter shoal]

Yeah I want to say it was like legion maybe? They updated a bunch of stuff to update real-time instead of snapshotting

[fickle cedar]

honestly i hated snapshotting, played unholy dk during wotlk and it was gambling on every pull waiting for everything to proc

[heavy sparrow]

With the reset, thunder blast should actually slap pretty hard i think

It's 25% +25%

Unless

The modifiers are separate

Is thunder blast benefitting from both? Or is it 25 on clap, 25 on blast?

I kinda hope it's multiplicative, thunder blast should slap pretty hard

If it's 25% + 25% it should actually be a 56 % increase for blast

Which would be pretty massive

[amber umbra]

Do you guys think fury will start performing as well as arms now with the new buffs? Debating on switching now

[mossy pelican]

no

[narrow narwhal]

#updates-midnight

[amber umbra]

Sad

[olive wraith]

I’ll probably make the swap regardless

I’m tired of arms

[sullen tendon]

do you think wet paper will start performing as well as rock

[amber umbra]

Depends what we’re using it for

To wipe my ass? Yes

[novel perch]

Ass wipe

[loud sinew]

why does my ratfang toxin sim higher than most trinks I sim it against?

is it actually that good?

[heavy sparrow]

Last week iv'e played fury, but there are so many aoe heavy dungeons right now that i mostly play arms

Maybe if thunder blast was fully uncapped

[fickle cedar]

its probably around there considering its a ~5% buff, unless we have a new insane odyns fury build which I quite doubt

[heavy sparrow]

What's the buff on thunder blast?

25%? Or 56%?

[fickle cedar]

25

[heavy sparrow]

Damn, i guess it's good enough

[fickle cedar]

well, hopefully its just small patch until 11.2 where we can a soft rework our active nodes are so weak

[sudden tusk]

@smoky vale

my druid

[smoky vale]

1/2

[sudden tusk]

why she stand like that

[junior gale]

you know why

[meager hound]

Isn't that how everyone holds their broom?

Or am I the weird one?

[smoky vale]

velf warrior is so hot

[vivid scarab]

Is 30k mastery way too much lmao?

[wispy thistle]

Sim them please, dont just listen to someone telling you something without looking at your other geatr

[smoky vale]

depends on what gear you have available

[meager hound]

I say ball-out and go for 50k.

[olive wraith]

Is 200k stamina too much?

[elfin belfry]

Those floors hate to see her coming

[sudden tusk]

bout the only thing whirlwind is good for is dust now a days

[elfin belfry]

[remote bobcat]

omg hiii madox big fan of your chicken wing recipe

[sudden tusk]

:3

[valid trellis]

Hey guys, cant read the thiusands of messages, does the buff makes OF worth it now ?

[indigo quarry]

#updates-midnight

its legit right there

[valid trellis]

Thank you !

[jovial mauve]

for you mythic proggers, what is your mastery normally sitting at? I think I need to start changing up gear pieces since I'm sitting at 65% with buffs

[sinful spoke]

huge copium

maybe above fire

[tepid cedar]

@dense elbow whats the slayer min-max with OF. i know uve done every single possible sim

[plush maple]

Does it matter? If you’ve summed every piece of gear then you should be at where you need to be and only change if a piece sims higher

[jovial mauve]

@plush maple this is my first expansion really diving into sims and not just vibe zugging

[plush maple]

Or you do feelcraft and sacrifice another stat for haste as an example because fast is fun

[frank dawn]

thinking too hard is bad for warrior

no recommend

[plush maple]

Fair enough, as long as you’re mindful and following good simming practices then should be fine to equip gear that sims more

[hardy gale]

How good buffs are for fury?

[plush maple]

We are gods

[smoky vale]

me when i dont read the update channel

[sour frigate]

almost meta

[smoky vale]

bobzilla go to bed

[hardy gale]

Pin doesn't show

[smoky vale]

updates != pin

[hardy gale]

Where is the experts anamysis

[sour frigate]

i woke up 2 hrs aho

[smoky vale]

me when the pin says where to go for uptdates

[sour frigate]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069

[plush maple]

https://tenor.com/view/my-source-is-that-i-made-it-up-my-source-is-that-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-loona-pose-kpop-gif-26556702

[sour frigate]

i cant get into 6-7 keys on my alt

[smoky vale]

🙂

just get carried into 10s immediately

[hardy gale]

Is it this?

[smoky vale]

0 point wasting time if you have friends

[plush maple]

Yep

[whole yacht]

what the fuck are friends

[plush maple]

Friends?

[sour frigate]

i done 1 10th already

[hardy gale]

But isn't the buff only spec specific?

[smoky vale]

that channel has existed every time youve asked a question here btw

[hardy gale]

That update makes it sound like it affects all specs?

[whole yacht]

no it doesnt

[smoky vale]

it shows what it affects

[whole yacht]

it very clearly states "fury"

[smoky vale]

if it doesnt have a spec its for all

like what

[hardy gale]

But what about the mountain thane line

[plush maple]

For everyone that can use mountain thane

[smoky vale]

which 2 specs play mountain thane

[hardy gale]

Pwar

[smoky vale]

and

[whole yacht]

does this clear it up for you?

[hardy gale]

Furi

So does pwar mt get buffed too?

[sour frigate]

New spec confirmed: Odyns Fury

[whole yacht]

no. there are no pwar changes

only arms and fury

fury gets whats in my screenshhot. and only fury

arms gets a ww buff. pwar gets nothing

this is a very simple concept to follow.

[sour frigate]

insane

[hardy gale]

Ok only buffs to fury and arms that'd why i said that note is confusing bc pwar uses my too

[whole yacht]

but pwar was not mentioned

[hardy gale]

But i got it

[whole yacht]

so that is irrelevant

[smoky vale]

guys why did they nerf rend on fury

AHAHHAHAHHA

HELP REND IS NERFED ON FURY

[hardy gale]

Fury will be better than arms or no?

[whole yacht]

sad times

[summer quail]

maybe in like theater or something

[smoky vale]

HELP REND IS NERFED ON FURY

[hardy gale]

We back boys!

[whole yacht]

it already is better in top

[smoky vale]

no chance

[whole yacht]

100% i can hit 20m aoe in cinderbrew with these buffs

[summer quail]

i don't think so

[smoky vale]

the only pulls that matter in top fury just less damage

[whole yacht]

never seen an arms hit 20m in cinder. just sayin

[smoky vale]

xd

[sinful spoke]

i have

[inner zinc]

If i want to get OF build, im guessing its swift strikes -> critical thinking and DoI -> OF? What about Bloodborne? Does it become more viable?

[olive wraith]

What are you dropping to put into bloodborne

[inner zinc]

bloodcraze i guess?

[whole yacht]

cap

didnt happen

was a fever dream

[sinful spoke]

i think i peaked higher than that tbh

but i am 682 as arms so

[digital ore]

Which one fury bros?

[smoky vale]

#updates-midnight message

[autumn halo]

Whichever one tickles your funny bone. Or Void Ritual if you are a min/max stinker.

[sinful spoke]

void ritual

[smoky vale]

no i everyone to hand feed me information

now!

[autumn halo]

I'll feed you like a baby bird

[smoky vale]

[woven valley]

I hate that I had the mental image of that.

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/spoon-big-spoon-funny-mad-evil-stare-gif-17762991

[hardy gale]

Feed me mommy

[smoky vale]

hi smadsmox

[sudden tusk]

void ritual good

hello

[autumn halo]

void ritual does nothing for the dopamine

frick it

[sudden tusk]

they should buff twilight dev so its bis for everone

[smoky vale]

be me havent interacted with the system

[sudden tusk]

becuase thats maximum fun

[hardy gale]

They should have made twighlught dev bis they are bunch of idiotos

[woven valley]

Gonna be honest I had hoped twilight dev would be good cause I want laser beams

But stats is fine

[sinful spoke]

they should buff twilight dev

[frozen lake]

Stats might be better over a 6 minute sim, but TD is better RIGHT NOW

Burst is useful

And it looks cool

[red berry]

it doesnt burst

the way it cleaves you lose a shitload of damage

[feral ivy]

why this? is it for EU servers? but this never happened why announce it 5 days before

[vast haven]

Are smf daggers a meme? Or a real alternative?

[junior gale]

real

[brazen island]

So is fury eating good in m+ with that 5% buff? Or are we still like 20% behind other specs

[summer quail]

uhh prob not

[vast haven]

Is there a build somewhere?

[sudden tusk]

wait

was that an AI gen gif

https://tenor.com/view/eat-dirt-sad-kitty-peach-gif-27576718

no ai allowed

this is how good we eating

[brazen island]

We need the evoker treatment

Just hit us with aura buffs every patch until we’re good

[remote bobcat]

nothing changes

the fundamental issues of fury persist and they will keep persisting unless we somehow get a full rework or gigantic buffs

these numbers are tiny

phantom buffs

[chilly fractal]

Holiday weekend in the states

[remote bobcat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1333755767714611230/0128.gif

[quaint heart]

Anyone know the line I can put in a cd macro for using BiS only when in combat

[remote bobcat]

its /use [combat] 16

assuming the weapon is in your mainhand

[quaint heart]

Thank you!

[quiet breach]

i am assuming, if we want to test odyn's fury with the buff next week, we would unclick ravager and unhinged for it right?

not AM and depths

[remote bobcat]

this maybe?

🤔

not sure

[quiet breach]

oooo that might be good

the odyn talent does look kinda garbo

in comparison

[remote bobcat]

maybe we drop swift strikes for deft

idk.

smarter people will know

@modest condor do you know perhaps?

ur smarter about talents than i am

[spiral ridge]

Don't you need sudden death for 4 set?

[remote bobcat]

wat

[smoky vale]

ask the robot

[remote bobcat]

no

i dont do multi talent sims like that

[smoky vale]

could prob change of modifers in the custom options

[remote bobcat]

too annoying

[quiet breach]

this is my m+ build, i looked up and down and for some reason im seeing u have one extra talent point to mine. what talent am i not seeing lol

[remote bobcat]

mate idk what ur smoking but both the 2 set and the 4 set dont interact with sudden death or execute in any way

the 4 set only interacts with raging blow and bloodthirst

[remote bobcat]

i dont

[spiral ridge]

Sorry not 4 set lol slayer shit

Just woke up

[remote bobcat]

this was about thane brother

[spiral ridge]

Yeah I just realized

[quiet breach]

nvm i found it, u have 2 in critical thinking and -2 in deft experience

[spiral ridge]

My b g

[remote bobcat]

dw dw

lemme try a slayer cook

[inner zinc]

is OF's dot considered a bleed?

[remote bobcat]

it doesnt say it so i assume it doesnt

lemme check ability tags

[red berry]

yes it is a bleed buffed by the two talents

[royal oxide]

read that as only fans dot.... lol

[inner zinc]

so there are chances that if we do go for OF, we might want to pick up Bloodborne talent too since it buffs OF dot but also TR and CSHB

[remote bobcat]

this sucks

i hate it

slayer sucks

reliance on SD

is so shit

Madge

[smoky vale]

they could remove on spec make it only slayer and put something better there

like move up the talent you have next to ww

[remote bobcat]

omg hii gio

big fan of your chair

[smoky vale]

im the cook

how was the meal

[modest condor]

my best result dropped VC

[smoky vale]

[sinful spoke]

nver cook again gio

[remote bobcat]

wtf

bro im starting to think loboz has the sauce

[smoky vale]

you burn kitchen worse than gala

silm can you show cook

[clever path]

what corruption we using for fury

gushing?

[junior gale]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069

[smoky vale]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069

[remote bobcat]

twilight dev is the way

(i didnt go twilight dev)

[sinful spoke]

if i shat out beams every 10s id go twilight dev

[clever path]

isnt echoing bugged atm?

like its not proccing correctly?

[remote bobcat]

indeed

[clever path]

but i guess void ritual it is

[remote bobcat]

void ritual is the way

[sinful spoke]

its kronzos fault

[cosmic sundial]

Maybe if we shit out beams, PUGs will think we’re boomkins and take us to keys

[sinful spoke]

he broke it'

[remote bobcat]

+1

i did

[cosmic sundial]

Also hi kronzo have you ran loboz yet

[remote bobcat]

no

i said im running loboz after patch release

i dont want to run a build where OF ends up doing 3% of my dam

I'd much prefer it deal 4%

[inner zinc]

real

[cosmic sundial]

Ah I did not see that

I was gonna try it tonight but internet issues yaaaay

[wanton mirage]

is there anyway to better target and kick the bomb which is under underpin without moving him?

the interact key stop working if underpin is sitting on the bomb

[frank dawn]

nah it's a dog shit encounter, not even about playing the game. Just fighting dog shit UI

I'm not mad about it

[wanton mirage]

it some times work and it sometimes dont wtf

[earnest canyon]

I find it easy on my BM huntard but impossible as fury so I just wont bother on warr

[frank dawn]

yeah I tried it once or twice on a ranged toon and it felt 100x easier

[real pond]

Is the tooltip for defenders march missing something or is that boot enchant really that poo?

2k gold for 0.1% stam

[frank dawn]

all the boot enchants are near worthless this expansion. idk why

[fiery edge]

imma stick to mthane

[wanton mirage]

ok i killed it after like 30 attempts. am fking done with it.

[tepid cedar]

easy fix jsut boyucot these dumb ass class devs and no one use OF

give them numbers to look at

[fiery edge]

when will they realize

small BS whenever you cast rampage?

[tepid cedar]

thane does not feel good with of

been trying some builds out. blahh

[frank dawn]

Yeah nah. It’s dog. OF only flows as Slayer

But all of Slayer is dog (in m+)

[next jacinth]

Just hit 40k achievement points!

[dense fulcrum]

ggg

[modest condor]

i see someone is working on taivan

[next jacinth]

Yes and it's taking forever haha

[timber hare]

Id say, some of those reqs look tedious asf

I'm working on the Legion meta ATM, trying to get stuff done so it's not so overwhelming when it stops

[red berry]

sil, do you figure that - if they do fix seismic, is the 25% TB a buff or is it just going to barely compensate for fixing it

[north harbor]

bruhhh

[pastel flax]

Is dungeonslice the preferred sim method for a primarily M+ player?

[modest condor]

it would be a nerf on 3+ targets

going from 100+70=170 to 125+37.5=162.5

[red berry]

yeah

annoying

but unintended i suppose

so cant really complain

[frozen pebble]

Does it make a difference using recklessness/avatar pre pull or on pull/in combat?

[scarlet sparrow]

using avatar/reck before u charge is a minor optimization to get enraged quicker

besides that there are some very situational timings and places to precast avatar so it lines up better with mechanics

cauldron being an example from this tier

[worn gyro]

some nice lookin fury buffs on reset it seems?

[meager gyro]

It does nothing to increase our sim dps but it does help m+ damage. Unfortunately, like sub rogue, the increase does nothing for its bottom tier position.

[fading sky]

Sub rogue is super strong in its cds

Was used in dungeons?

[eager thorn]

Did this actually ever happen tho

I remember it being talked abt but didnt see any1 actually pre ava to have it for the clash

[worn gyro]

what u mean bottom tier position, do you mean the fact we dont do well in big pulls?

[restive pine]

no such thing is big pull to us, 5 target cap still

[snow edge]

That's literally what he's saying

[worn gyro]

yeah thats what i said lol there are big pulls, we just dont do well in them kek

[meager gyro]

You could play arms and do better in keys unless you are under physical dmg comp chain pull gang in a key. Fury raid dmg is good, but again arms can cover that better. Things are fine for fury, they are not great. I have always enjoyed it, so I still play it every week. If I want to push a key with the gang, I just play UDK, it’s unlikable and go brrr

[worn gyro]

arms is meh to play

i main tank, i play fury for funsies

[meager gyro]

Just keep rampaging away, tldr, buff open up some flexibility in using Odyns again

[worn gyro]

yeah seen that, small buff on AoE for a small nerf ST if taken, ST is pretty strong anyway so interesting to see, the TC and TB buff looks nice though. keen to see how it does in AoE with Odyns

[buoyant island]

What enchanted are we choosing from visions is it void ritual

[hardy bluff]

yea

[buoyant island]

Thanks

[worn gyro]

i guess even without buff kek

[sour frigate]

what dunge

[worn gyro]

priory

[sour frigate]

[worn gyro]

i do have void ritual ofcourse.

[sour frigate]

doesnt look good

[worn gyro]

what u mean

[sour frigate]

priory numbers might be over 4kk

[worn gyro]

u mean after buff? or u mean now? id like to see a fury doing over 4m overall 🙂

[sour frigate]

some logs maybe

[worn gyro]

i guess 8ilvl diff will make the diff aswell

[worn gyro]

link the log

[sour frigate]

open rankings pick fury spec

and check

[worn gyro]

also team comp will have a big part, if the other dps were big pumpers my numbers would naturally be higher

[sour frigate]

truege

[icy topaz]

Your dmg is fine dude

[worn gyro]

💌

hopefully better on wednesday 😄

[ornate gust]

Is this true?

[lethal gate]

i have a question why is more prior to use raging blow and not bloodthirst? if bloodthirst is do more damage?

[worn gyro]

press BT on CD

[warm crag]

For St or aoe

Pressing rb gives you like 3 separate buffs that power up different abilities

[summer quail]

Rb buffs bt and rampage

[plush maple]

https://tenor.com/view/lightmode-flashbang-meme-gif-13265745486794054141

[lethal gate]

so like the prio rampage>Rb>Bt?

[summer quail]

For the most part yes(as thane atleast)

[lethal gate]

so in raid if u play slayer the prio is differend ?

[summer quail]

Yes and no. Read wowhead guide

[lethal gate]

ok thx anyway

[opal monolith]

What? I did 4.2m+ in priory before turbo even

[worn gyro]

nice, what did ur other dps counterparts do?

[opal monolith]

I'd have to check logs it was a 100 parse tho back then

[worn gyro]

as i said, if my dps counterparts were blasting as they should for their specs, id have naturally done more, but yeah still nice to see what itll be like after buffs.

first time i was on fury in like 2 weeks

[warm crag]

m+ parses holy moly

[gleaming siren]

M+ parses WOW!!

[iron portal]

Idk how noticeable that will be

You will still notice getting gapped on most big pulls

[worn gyro]

i dont think its the "parse" number anyones focused on really

[gleaming siren]

In Priory with Seismic bug fixed I get ~same damage as before after the buffs

when looking at my most recent run

more ST less AoE so for all other keys should technically be a small upgrade

[fallen rune]

Whats the seismic bug

[gleaming siren]

It does too much damage

Seismic doing 2.3x the intended damage specifically

Can see it quite well here, the Seismic part shouldn't be more than 60% of the real damage

Bit extreme cause it's Priory with trash pulled on bosses where possible so it almost always does extra damage

but yea, should be less than half this damage from Seismic

[hollow bloom]

What kind of fix for seismic reverberations?

[gleaming siren]

Literally the message right above yours

[hollow bloom]

I`m a slow reader and i was still in that message

So if i understand the bug is that it does more damage than intended

[worn gyro]

literally this "Seismic doing 2.3x the intended damage specifically" what was said above

[fallen rune]

I see, ty for the answer

[worn gyro]

i know details can be a bit iffy but this is my TB damage with Seismic. 60% almost exactly

[gleaming siren]

Yes but why

We already asserted this was happening

[worn gyro]

i thought u ment it should be about 60%.

thats how it read

[gleaming siren]

No it should be <30%

Seismic is only supposed to duplicate 30% whenever you hit 3 targets or more

[worn gyro]

i see i see, didnt read that way. thats fair then. bit shitty XD

[gleaming siren]

It's gonna be basically DPS neutral for most people

In overall

Bit less on big pulls bit more on ST

After tuning

[worn gyro]

yeah, brutal. just when we think a buff is coming lol

[gleaming siren]

I mean the buff already came kinda

The announced tuning is them accepting it and not tuning it down

[tall rampart]

Will the Fury Thane/TClap affect Prot Thane? Ehem asking for a friend.

[worn gyro]

asked and answered. it wont

[tall rampart]

Damn

[worn gyro]

prot does good damage as is lol

[opal monolith]

And where did they say they will fix seismic?

Link

[gleaming siren]

This is still Blizzard we're talking about

One day you wake up and it's fixed

And maybe you get a post saying 'we fixed this' a few days later

[ornate gust]

So the coming tuning is not a buff overall. Am I right?

[worn gyro]

wait till wed n see lol

[gleaming siren]

It is

But damage may end up being the same as now due to bugfixes

Time will tell

[clever belfry]

schmeowdi

[opal monolith]

What if I told u it's not bugged

What if it's intended that the reverberation can proc another reverberation?

What's the maths on that

[clever belfry]

not 60% total

(it would be ~43%)

[opal monolith]

And what if it can keep happening

[clever belfry]

brother this is literally

what this does

to infinity

1 + 0.3 + 0.09 + ...

[opal monolith]

I don't speak math bro

I'm american

[clever belfry]

im sorry to hear that 👍

[scarlet sparrow]

i think critcake does it pretty often

[eager thorn]

He didn’t on his yt vid for it

[scarlet sparrow]

shrug shrug

i just heard him talk about it on stream during his reclear is all

[gleaming siren]

Why not calculate this in your head come on

[clever belfry]

facts

i wouldve assumed like 1.43 tbf

but im too silly for this so

(i know 1/1-q)

shut up

[earnest canyon]

Nooo not math

[clever belfry]

yes, math

[gleaming siren]

Oh come on

You cannot be seriously seeing a series and immediately mentally collapsing

[clever belfry]

theyre just not SIGMA males

[earnest canyon]

I did my time

[mossy fox]

as arms i do it

idk if new boss kill timers will change it though

bosses flop so fast now

[sand crest]

hc speed parses matter right guys?

[iron portal]

Only hps logs

[sand crest]

: (

I have rank 3 hps on hc gally

thats my only good one

[tepid cedar]

Thsoe are some sick kill times

❤️

[sand crest]

thank you :3

kinda pissed about the rank 3 on vexie, the top logs are obviously glitched or use some kind of exploit

59sec kill x)

at lik 665 ilvl avg

[tepid cedar]

Interesting

[modest condor]

that's 143%, not 43%

also there's no confirmation that the bug is getting fixed with the reset

all we know is that it's bugged and that blizzard knows it's bugged

[clever belfry]

i never said relative or total
therefor i am not wrong

and 1.43 is a 43% relative increase, which means its 143% of the base dmg

[south kayak]

What is bugged

[modest condor]

no it's a 143% increase

you summed 0.3

if you did 1+sum of 0.3 it would be 43%

oh wait im dumb, you start at 0

[clever belfry]

Check the index

the geom sum starts at i=0, and whats anything to the power of 0

[tepid cedar]

i need to come raid with u guys. with those kill times i can get rank 1 dps on all those fights lololol, i checked my times out of curitosity. that shits impressive dude

good shit, legit

[sand crest]

yeah its a parse run we did with members of my boosting team

1 heal on all fights

solo tanked a few of them

[heavy galleon]

any build with OF for next week guys ?

[noble elm]

I see the top vexie logs being 680 ish and 2m kill times, what are you seeing?

[sand crest]

im talking about the speed ranking

rank 1 for speed is a 59sec kill

and their dmg graph looks sus af

[noble elm]

Can you link me the log, wcl is shit on mobile it’s takes so long to load

[tepid cedar]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Nkd6cHjMCJP2XfqL?fight=1&type=damage-done

some sorcery

or a bad log

[noble elm]

Something janky

Wowanalyzer can’t read it

This seems janky tho

I don’t think enough bikes spawn to break the plating in 40 seconds do they?

[sand crest]

no they dont

the fastest we could get 6 bikes in was like 1min10 I think?

something like that

its legit impossible to do that at 46sec with normal means

[cosmic sundial]

When do first adds spawn again?

Is it 30sec?

[sand crest]

30sec then 1min

I think

[cosmic sundial]

I’m trying to think how to cheese this

I wonder if you’re on the bike if it counts you in the fight. So you kill 3 adds, take the bikes, rest of raid runs out to reset

And then you restart fight, 3 new adds

And bikes don’t disappear since you’re on them

I’m trying to megamind it but I’m sure that doesn’t work

Oh wait if you go to the replay part of the log, the start of the fight they do have the bikers already

[sand crest]

that is

omega cheese

wtf

[cosmic sundial]

Never mind mobile logs was bugging

Log doesn’t start till boss is at 29% health

[sand crest]

that would explain it xD how did it make it onto wlogs with an actual ranking though

thats crazy

[cosmic sundial]

Yeah that’s wild

[red berry]

just buff seismic back to 70% np np np

idk why they don't address more AoE balance problems like that - if you are concerned about a spec doing more in AoE, but you want them to not do so much in ST? just. have them do more for more mobs.

[undone flower]

You have to come up with things not breaking raid tuning

[red berry]

no

[undone flower]

Yes

[red berry]

has this bug broken fury's performance in the raid for the one fight it arguably might be good on

[undone flower]

Fury is good on these fights

[woven valley]

Tbf archi said it best. What we need atm is tuning, would we like to not be target capped at 5? Yeah. But that isn’t changing. At least not In the near future.

[undone flower]

(Stix and gally)

[thick fossil]

Just bump meat cleaver up to 75% like hunter.

[red berry]

i don't think what im saying is to change target cap - this is purely about seismic

[woven valley]

That would fix a good many issues and make us better at our 5 target damage by a lot

[red berry]

and yes, fury being good in the intended niche

would fix some of our problems

[woven valley]

I do feel like our utility needs a face lift

[red berry]

utility isn't going to make you picked more or less. every class with utility also brings damage

warrior has util

[woven valley]

It’s not awful by any means but we just don’t have as much as other classes that just do better damage and better utility than us

[undone flower]

Yes if you are in utility copium, udk doesn’t bring a lot compared to the others

Yes I know grabs

Anyway current fury profile doesn’t replace the udk, mage but it will never happen

• fury is fighting with rogue, monk etc on the 5 target squad

[jolly parrot]

can u still play smf ?

or is it deadge

[clever belfry]

u always can play it

[frank vault]

UDK bring Brez, which is pretty important. AMZ, which is great, much better than Rallying. AMS to ignore some mechanics, comparable to SR. Slappy hands can be good in some instances, e.g. gathering mobs in DFC.

[clever belfry]

its been peepeepoopoo ever since they brought it back however.

[young swan]

i think this could extend just to fury as a whole

you dont need to shake up the core gameplay loop, just add new and interesting synergies

feel like fury really lacks a "cool" factor rn

[undone flower]

Yes you discover dk utility only when it’s meta (just bc they use what they have), if warlock was meta you would be on fuck wl portal is the shit

[sand crest]

the fact that storm of steel is still what it is despite it never being played by any of the 3 specs is crazy

same problem with current titans torment

will never be played

literal dead nodes

[frank vault]

??? I used to main a DK. I'm not just discovering this now. 😅 And Warlock IS S tier in Mechagon for the two skips they bring, so... 🤷‍♂️

[undone flower]

Is warlock meta ? And it was an expression ofc

[tepid cedar]

we have rallying cry bro

[undone flower]

cool factor injection required 100%

[frank vault]

For Mechagon, yes? Not for every instance, but utility is super important. Acting like it isn't is weird and counter productive.

[undone flower]

No it’s not

Wl portal is cool factor for you it seems

Even if meta comp doesn’t need it

[hushed ocean]

SL talents tree was way better than what we have now

change my minds

[undone flower]

No huge opinion yet on current tree

Personnaly I can’t withdraw my nostalgia so…

[cosmic sundial]

I never argue with anyone who like SL anything, there’s never any winning

[hushed ocean]

i remember changing way more often back in SL days than now

[undone flower]

Nathria

[clever belfry]

nathria had 2 1 /2 good bosses

and 2 turbo F bosses

-> in totality an okay raid

then sanctum happened and its just complete dogshit

[undone flower]

Yes but cool raid

Fuck the 3rd, council and legion btw

[cosmic sundial]

You somehow liked the worst expansion, you are more dedicated than I ever could

[undone flower]

I unsub bc SL

[tepid cedar]

can auctionator filter items with say speed in it?

[undone flower]

I liked the first patch, like I hate 2 patch of DF (made me unsub too)

Im an adult so i have nuanced opinions

[olive wraith]

Df s3 my beloved

[gleaming siren]

SLG was more than turbo F

That deserved it's own cat

[clever belfry]

i honestly dont think council was much better

[undone flower]

Fuck council

[clever belfry]

that fight was also genuinely dogshit

[gleaming siren]

Council had the funny predicy movement on comms factor

But yes it was also absolutely horrendous

[clever belfry]

i sure love when i had to go to fucking narnia to play gta san andreas cheat code ddr

[undone flower]

And I don’t like the 3rd, the 4 group absorb dude

[clever belfry]

hungering?

[undone flower]

Yep

[clever belfry]

that boss was okay

not great not turbo garbage

but if ur group had dogshit players who cant keep track of 4 players stacks

it was probably cbt yes

[undone flower]

Yes it is lower end of i dont’ like

The end boss of the wing is W

[modest condor]

im convinced that council of blood was the catalyst for the perma extend meta

[clever belfry]

darkvein or w/e

inerva

[undone flower]

Inerva with the canisters

[clever belfry]

i think she couldve been better if you werent forced to go left to right on the cannisters

but i did like that boss

(thats the half good boss im counting)

[modest condor]

i think inerva would have been better if you could actually control the cannisters

[undone flower]

I liked inerva, okay+ on hound master, xymox, sludge and last

[modest condor]

i hated xymox, dumb spellqueue boss

[undone flower]

Kaelthas is also fine

[modest condor]

that's a take

[clever belfry]

sludge and daddy d good

inerva p good
rest i rly didnt care about

[undone flower]

I killed kaelthas 5 + weeks in, so maybe I didn’t see the same boss

[clever belfry]

idk he was never hard

[modest condor]

i dont think the boss changed much

[clever belfry]

he was just zzz

[modest condor]

it was just a trash fight

we even did the push strat so i didnt get to play it in its worst state

2 holy priests and 2 resto shamans and lusting for the heals

[iron portal]

Peak healing roleplay

Healing edgy elf

[undone flower]

I’m not aware of a lot of strats, it was the time we made a guild in Ny’alotha blind progging most bosses

So lots of cooking on kaelthas

[modest condor]

in the 2nd healing phase there would be some mobs that fixated the boss and it was a pain to deal with them

the push strat had you heal the boss up before those mobs spawned

but you needed crazy healing for it

[undone flower]

Oh yeah we planned on healing increasing buffs on the boss with cocoon, hpriest etc

Now I remember this timing

[modest condor]

2 shamas with ascendance outside of healing range of the raid, 2 holy priests to chain that healing increase they have, and a monk with cocoon

and then lust when those extra cannisters that a couple of mobs dropped got healed up

[undone flower]

We were 2 priest, 1 monk, 1 Hpal and I don’t remember if it’s 5 heal

Need to check

[fiery edge]

why dem tank dh does random big pull, dies, then leave? dafuq

dafuq is on their mind

[sharp wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1369851065633345546/big2.gif

[undone flower]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1289315888293744642/rlp.gif

[fickle cedar]

classic

[fiery edge]

[dusk plume]

How many overall dps we’re winning with next buff btw?

[hushed ocean]

still 10m less than others in brewery first pull

i guess

[dusk plume]

[flat river]

the OG

[mossy pelican]

5%, which will be just enough for us to remember how far behind our damage is

#updates-midnight message

[pure breach]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[heavy galleon]

it's around 5% with the MT build right now

maybe a bit more if we find a good build with OF no ?

[woven valley]

I agree, our talent trees especially need to be fixed up. When we actively don’t want our capstones it’s badly designed imo

[plush zephyr]

Maaaan. I hear all this talk about design but at the same time people saying fury is super fun. So is it design, or tuning? I don’t think this many people would be playing it still if the design sucked, which it doesn’t.

[woven valley]

Talents and design are very different, I know I’m not asking for them to change the core style of fury, just give us more choices that matter. At least make our capstones feel good…they feel like mid tree talents atm

[fiery edge]

we're so back in season 3

[young swan]

the core gameplay loop can be good and the talent choices be uninteresting at the same time u know

[remote bobcat]

omg hii Xan, big fan of your cooks

[young swan]

hi kronzo!

[sour frigate]

Yoda fan

Btw resi?

[fiery edge]

[remote bobcat]

https://youtu.be/Hxwls8-86RM

goated video

aint gonna lie

great cooks

https://youtu.be/TyzcUeg_w2A

this one too

[gilded pawn]

People like the fast paced style

Dual wield 2h is a cool fantasy

[dull cloak]

wich classes deal more prio dmg then we do ?

[remote bobcat]

People do like the fast paced gameplay of fury but they also dont feel like playing a very similar spec from what? 8 years ago?

[remote bobcat]

arcane, assa

[fickle cedar]

arcane is probably the best rn, but it works through funnelling

[remote bobcat]

i think?

hdh has solid prio dam too

[young swan]

greg came with so much much good shit i had to steal some

[nimble ermine]

why is your video 1 hour long

[worn gyro]

Arcane can kill the priory mini bosses before the mobs even get close to dying

[chilly fractal]

Arcane can kill themselves on that reflect shield it’s pretty hilarious

[fickle cedar]

i love playing my arcane its such a nice damage profile and super fun, i wish they gave fury half the effort

[sudden tusk]

It should be 2

[nimble ermine]

honestly

[remote bobcat]

1 hour is all he needs

[nimble ermine]

i watched him assemble that for like 3 hours

and most of it was already made

[remote bobcat]

omg hii madox big fan of the gold making

[tepid cedar]

Non employee, comes up with some ideas that trump anything ( some things seem super strong) but the idea of how things work …. Blizz is so clueless lol

[sudden tusk]

Gold making?

[remote bobcat]

myth boosts

clueless~1

[sudden tusk]

Oh lmao

We have 2 8/8 buyers lined up next week sales been going crazy ngl

[remote bobcat]

"gOld mAKinG?"

cmooon bro

ur making mad bank

while playing the game you love

[sudden tusk]

I just show up to raid and then 1 mil gold shows up in the mailbox weekly

It's a simple life

[remote bobcat]

madox can you try loboz build for me please

i swore to only try it after balance patch

can u try it this ID

please

[sudden tusk]

Has that guy even timed over a 15 with that thing

[remote bobcat]

seems like it

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/blackrock/loboz?zone=43

[sudden tusk]

A 16 rookery holy crap

[remote bobcat]

"the goat"

did i mention hes a pug player

pretty much exclusively

afaik

the build uses colossus arms warr stats

skip vers go for crit instead

so troar, odyns and reap procs deal solid dam

[clever belfry]

loboz > all of u fools

[remote bobcat]

^

[clever belfry]

@warm crag

[warm crag]

he is the goat

[clever belfry]

he is 1-0 vs u

🤷‍♂️

[warm crag]

that second number will never increase

[remote bobcat]

soooooooo try it please?

could be a funny video idea

[sudden tusk]

Maybe

[remote bobcat]

give a decisive answer or no balls

angrywoof

[eternal lance]

[flat river]

balls

[remote bobcat]

yo gala

[flat river]

yoyo

[remote bobcat]

what boss u on

[flat river]

bandit

[remote bobcat]

oo shit

[flat river]

best pull 60% give or take

[remote bobcat]

miserable, eh?

[flat river]

yep

but i figured out the key to good parses

[remote bobcat]

dont worry it only gets worse

[remote bobcat]

double tclap

[flat river]

only go for boss and cleave adds

[remote bobcat]

or are u slayer?

[flat river]

slayer

[remote bobcat]

fury?

[flat river]

yes

[remote bobcat]

Hmm

ur able to just cleave adds now?

thats wild

we had to hardswap

[flat river]

if the tank pulls the boss next to add ill cleave

[flat river]

we "have" to but like

they die quick

we have damage

so i stick stick to boss

[remote bobcat]

we had to because they wouldnt die in time

[remote bobcat]

yea thats mandatory

[flat river]

our problem is with coins

[noble elm]

why is he obsessed with rookery

[flat river]

the adds go to 25% really fast

but coins

we miss them a lot

[remote bobcat]

weekly key stuff maybe

idfk

or it was his resil 15 ->16 key of choice

and it took him ages?

🤔

[sudden tusk]

Id never run the build in a real key so it kinda defeats the purpose

[remote bobcat]

a video idea doesnt have to be about pushing

Angry_cat

just send that shit in a 12 and see how it goes

[flat river]

@remote bobcat im sick :<

[remote bobcat]

nerd go play horrific visions

fuck u mean ur sick

[flat river]

i did

i still do

[smoky vale]

madox whats the point of doing 5 mask runs and is it just killing aleria or the entire thing area

[remote bobcat]

wasnt it full clear with 5 masks?

[smoky vale]

dunno but i see people selling it

it seems annoying with the mask that gives half sanity

[remote bobcat]

i think u can use 5 other ones

the half sanity mask is one u dont use im pretty sure

not entirely sure but like

[smoky vale]

so you can only have max of 5 at once?

[remote bobcat]

pretty sure

[smoky vale]

i think atm you can only have 5 with half sanity

[south kayak]

what's the best login screen music

[remote bobcat]

expansion wise?

[south kayak]

Yeah

[flat river]

lowkey

[remote bobcat]

ionno

[flat river]

tbc was a banger

[remote bobcat]

highkey tww is solid

[flat river]

dragonflight too

[remote bobcat]

no fk df

[flat river]

:O

[south kayak]

I think for me it's Wrath

2nd MoP

[remote bobcat]

you liked mop?

music?

[south kayak]

Yes

[flat river]

mop was big

[south kayak]

?

[remote bobcat]

mop is my least fav

lol

[flat river]

BFA music was BANGER

[south kayak]

oh shit

[flat river]

got the beta?

[south kayak]

yeah

[flat river]

me too

i never liked playing beta

[remote bobcat]

i logged into beta this morning and i saw i had to decide between troar and bladestorm

i didnt like it

[flat river]

xd

[south kayak]

bro what

[flat river]

dragon roar u mean?

[remote bobcat]

sry year droar

yeah*

omfg

[flat river]

and shockwave dont forgor

[remote bobcat]

im havingb a stroke

[flat river]

imagine going into raid and finding out the guy picked shockwave

[sullen dove]

storm bolt instead of avatar icant

[flat river]

stormbolt was super strong back then right?

yeah that

[south kayak]

Avatar is 3 mins lol

[sullen dove]

That’s what it should be now tf

The bolt

[flat river]

now is 1.5 min

tf

[flat river]

no

rn it just deals a little dmg and stun

[remote bobcat]

so we can use it in bs

[south kayak]

He's saying it that's what it should be

[remote bobcat]

yepyep

[south kayak]

not what it is lol

I'm thinking a followup talent

for that

but they'd have to remove onslaught, same thing

[crude ridge]

Really no need for storm bolt to do anything more than it already is.

[sullen dove]

onslaught is like basically the same as like holding onto a bt till high enough critrate or a 3 mfe execute

[south kayak]

[sullen dove]

Really prolly could be melded into either but would be cool for execute to baseline be more like os

longer cd but hits like 2-3x harder

can maybe give some of its buffs

Extra button bloat for no reason is eh

[flat river]

cant wait to play pvp, interrupt wrong to proc their immune to cc gem, and use 500% weapon dmg stormbolt

in retail

when they add it

[flat river]

we need the spell immunity

add it back

[south kayak]

[tepid cedar]

i run a bunch as well. bc its so fast lol especially for weeklies.

wehn i tank i can be done in 16-18 min with shit ppl

cant beat this time to save time for weeklies

[south kayak]

oh god does it feel bad not enraging in mop lol

[plush zephyr]

Insanely good

Even the undermine soundtrack slaps

BC is my favorite though. I have this huge gaming soundtrack playlist. Weird when I’m in a boss fight in wow and like a chill song from animal crossing comes on lol

[sudden tusk]

Suffering of my own making

[remote bobcat]

omg hii madox big fan of the elvis presley haircut

[sudden tusk]

I got told I have great Italian Mafia hair today

[sharp wadi]

are they all the same level or what

[undone flower]

Do you have the un-cc adds in your Strat ? Don’t forget top parses have them with 33% more hp

[flat river]

i don't remember

GM told me to do 1 thing and i did it

i ignored everything else

[red berry]

i have a hero-track mechano-core amplifier. should i just buy house of cards and use that anyway

[cosmic sundial]

Ah yes the League YouTuber cookie cutter script: do off meta build in easier content and react when you inevitably tear ass

[red berry]

sim sim i know but

[undone flower]

Yeah just bait the coin and kill mfs (I just stayed on boss + slayer after the nerf)

[flat river]

we are going to bait the coins towards the adds next night

last night we baited towards the middle

[undone flower]

What was the issue ?

[flat river]

we kept missing with the coins

[undone flower]

Big Hunter L

[flat river]

we dont have BM

we have MM

[undone flower]

Yeah so ?

[flat river]

big hunter L u right

[undone flower]

If you played MM once, you know it’s a fake caster too

[flat river]

i did

[undone flower]

Yeah idk what to say if your hunter can’t do coins, I have no clue on your strat

[flat river]

we have mage and hunter on coins

[undone flower]

And they throw the first coin on melee add and the second on the other one you need to kill right ?

And third add is with the coins you bait

[flat river]

i dont rember

[undone flower]

Does the melee add die before boss throw coins ?

[flat river]

which melee add

there are 3 adds

[undone flower]

The melee add is the add boss goes first

[flat river]

oh

[undone flower]

(Melee bc melees hit him)