fury

[remote bobcat]

mistweaver scales with AP tho

[analog kite]

i dont understand why

[dense elbow]

We even got some nice buffs Just a tad weak tuning wise

[remote bobcat]

thats odd

[analog kite]

i think people expect too much, every time

[remote bobcat]

it should scale

[edgy widget]

nobody said its "fine" in the first place lmao, you're just jumping into arguments you don't understand

[oblique trail]

I'm most excited for the Arms WW buff

[brave hamlet]

Why don't we just go back to everyone having everything again and all classes being same

[sullen tendon]

they wont get the group buff anyways becuase we dont get invited.

[remote bobcat]

with shout

[young swan]

cause they're jaded and entitled

[tepid cedar]

was it really a buff when we are losing damage elsewhere?

[sullen tendon]

what changes would you make to fury

[dense elbow]

I pray that it also affects Pwarrior WW 🙏

[edgy widget]

idk I got no problem getting into groups

[analog kite]

true, im just happy to be here

[south kayak]

Is 5 target cap a tuning issue that can be fixed by increasing that to 8 targets?

[remote bobcat]

m+ player copium to get a higher target cap is crazy once again

[edgy widget]

search my post history and you'll find plenty, many of which have already been implemented

[modest condor]

apparently the AP conversion happens after everything else, so they're only buffed by int

[fluid pollen]

I’m loving fury right now. Could be tuned a lil tho.

[young swan]

we lost damage to a bug that 90% of u didnt know existed until yesterday

[remote bobcat]

ah thats unlucky

[edgy widget]

they do not

[remote bobcat]

im wrong then

[modest condor]

according to some mistweaver theorycrafter guy

[young swan]

nd id bet if silm said nothing you would still not know it exists

[marble schooner]

I think entitlement goes out the window once you remember you pay 180$ yearly + 60$ biyearly on this game

[south kayak]

Me when I want to deal damage to more than 5 targets

[edgy widget]

no confirmation its been fixed yet btw

[fluid pollen]

So is OF worth taking again?

[tepid cedar]

what bug?

[edgy widget]

don't worry about it

[modest condor]

ill complain about it on reddit if it's fixed next week

[young swan]

dont worry about it

[brave hamlet]

People think increasing target cap means they won't reduce DMG of moves to offset

[edgy widget]

^

[remote bobcat]

we just established mw scales with AP but not with AP shout. They do have attack power as part of some ability scalings but its converted AP so battle shout apparently doesnt take effect

but w/e

not important

[edgy widget]

they do not scale with AP buffs like Battle Shout

[young swan]

then use your money to play a different class/spec or stop paying/playing

[south kayak]

I don’t care about that as long as I deal damage to more than 5 targets lol

[young swan]

u think im playing the game with fury the way it is right now

fuck no

[marble schooner]

yeah dont complain on the game you pay to play reee

leave blizz alone madge

[fluid pollen]

Y’all are cray. Go to work or something.

[sullen tendon]

you are a public figure that is in a dedicated mythic raid that you take time out of your day to plan to raid with and have a dedicated group to do mythic plus with. I said this before again the majority of players are not doing this. If fury is fine for the 0.1% of players that meet all of these specific requimrents then its fine for you guys. It is not fine for the majority of players who end up in the gutter because they arent fed gear and dont run mythic plus with MDI people every day.

[brave hamlet]

I'm on my first break

[analog kite]

based

[edgy widget]

you pay for the same experience as everyone else, that's not to have your chosen thing be best

[edgy widget]

I do not have a dedicated M+ group

[dense elbow]

I am not public, I am not a raider, I get into M+ groups o7

[edgy widget]

I mostly run adhoc guild groups, which are often partial pugs

[fluid pollen]

You can be in our group 😀

[hardy bluff]

find friends if randoms dont invite you 🙂 if you dont find friends playing the game maybe think about why that is

[analog kite]

or just run your own key

[marble schooner]

I have never once in all of my messages asked for fury to be the best, I dont even care about being "meta" I just care about the class being better designed.

[edgy widget]

I didn't say you did, I was making a general point

[brave hamlet]

Games a MMO be social

[sullen tendon]

It still just boggles my mind that people cant understand this

[plush maple]

About tuning and design, doesn’t borrowed power tailored to spec usually compensate for some shortcomings? Used to be power tuning required and not overall spec perceived problems before

[dense elbow]

What cant we understand, BobbyBoy

[smoky vale]

hi xantaga

[young swan]

stop willingly torturing yourself lmfao

[edgy widget]

sometimes, but tuning is kind of a revolving door for Blizz, so you may be up one moment and down the next

[smoky vale]

oops

[marble schooner]

if you complain you are subjecting yourself to torture ofc

dont complain about your football team man just stop watching them

4head

[analog kite]

i kinda find it funny, that people will kick and scream and cry about their class. yet still play the game day after day

[dense elbow]

I mean, we are WoW addicts?

[smoky vale]

no but if something is bringing you this much grief maybe you should stop interacting with it?

[young swan]

if u wanna be disingenuous i can just give u a forced break

[marble schooner]

im gonna bring the Tyler1 clip

[young swan]

no sweat off my back

[limber oar]

Im still wondering what the bug is that nukes our dmg…

[plush zephyr]

buff the tush push

[vague sierra]

True, if you're having any issues at all with anything in life, just quit.

[hardy bluff]

real

[edgy widget]

the trick is to find the right place to complain and to do it in a productive manner

citing out every single minor thing you happen not to like as a "core design issue" (you simultaneously said there was too much frontloaded damage and too much reliance on uptime, which are contrary to one another) and demanding an unspecified "rework" is a good way to get those complaints filed in the circular

[earnest canyon]

this is just a computer game though

[young swan]

more like realize what is and isnt worth devoting your time to

[analog kite]

exactly, complaining and getting all worked up doesnt do anything

[marble schooner]

how is it disingenuous when you are just trying to pass off my complaints as "subjecting myself to torture" and dismiss them, twice now

[remote bobcat]

Let's be real here - invites entirely depend on how "up to date" you've been with your score.
If you are 3k score right now at this point in the season as fury then people don't want you in their group unless you're criminally overgeared.
If you are 3.5k or w/e then yea people will invite you to pugs because you're starting in the higher echelons of key levels - people realize that you know whatsup (even if ur spec isnt the greatest tuning wise) so they will end up inviting you more.

The same concept applies for every patch and micro patch. Are you relatively high score current score averages? People end up inviting you to pugs more because you seem to know wtf is going on.

[analog kite]

only thing it does is make others not want to be around yo

[marble schooner]

then if I retalliate you just tell me you are gonna mute me aight lmao

sorry I guess

[young swan]

its not dismissal, they just arent well founded and arent going anywhere

[devout totem]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1333755767714611230/0128.gif

[brave hamlet]

Make ya own keys if ya wanna push that bad

[marble schooner]

who decides if a personal complaint based on personal experience is well founded?

[dense elbow]

Tldr: If you aint ahead of it, you will hit the curve

[sullen tendon]

we literally cant do this because blizzard pays 0 attention to anyone who isnt a public figure. They only listen to streamers, wowhead writers, and community council members. And they all say fury is fine because the 0.1% of fury players in high end raiding guilds say its fine.

[remote bobcat]

this^

[brave hamlet]

I don't think blizzard actually listens to anyone and just does what they want and have for over a decade

[quick hull]

Yea but its still possible. it will never be 100% parity. The "meta" group currently is all magic synergy. I give noxiv a lot of credit because they built their group for their physical classes and go compete at the highest level. Instead of being like everyone else seeing the FOTM and wanting to shoehorn into that comp.
your top .1% with 17s and 18s as of today which is even more doable.

[edgy widget]

this is completely false and fabricated in your mind

you may think that, but it is completely made up

[sullen tendon]

ok then why havent they changed fury since asmongold stopped streaming

[edgy widget]

lol what

[quick hull]

wtf hahah

[brave hamlet]

Hahaha

[plush maple]

HAHAHAHAHA

[dense elbow]

If they listened to Archi, a lot of pain would be avoided If they listened to me, you guys would be in a lot of pain

[hardy bluff]

the steamer cabal is trying to keep fury warrior in a state of bad design for keys.

[sullen tendon]

i got him

checkamte

[quick hull]

good troll

[hardy bluff]

@ashen tendon

[edgy widget]

if you ever wonder why people don't take your complaints seriously, this is it right here

[remote bobcat]

they do read player feedback but they also have people within the company with differing opinions and views and they have tuning schedules and shit as well so it just simply isnt as easy as a warrior dev saying "i think changing the target cap is appropriate here"

[sullen tendon]

when was fury last reworked

[quick hull]

asmon has historically some of the worst wow takes

[edgy widget]

The War Within

Dragonflight

[ashen tendon]

Brudda why did u make me read this

[edgy widget]

Shadowlands

Legion

[sullen tendon]

thats not a rework thats just adding hero taletns

the core design hasnt changed

[brave hamlet]

Yeah asmon is pretty braindead on wow

[vague sierra]

Yeah they have mage developers who intentionally do everything they can to ensure we're at the bottom.

[sullen tendon]

its just BT RB Ramp and WW

[quick hull]

because the core design isnt borken

[sullen tendon]

It is

its all tied into 1

[plush zephyr]

Probably a good thing

[edgy widget]

what exactly do you consider a rework?

[sullen tendon]

you cant do ST and AOE without affecting hte other

[dense elbow]

If you argue that a rework is only if they uprott our core mechanics, then ye. Guess we never had a rework?

[plush maple]

I fear the day fury changes fundamentally because I started wow at start of BFA essentially and the fast paced and spammy high APM fury is what I love

[remote bobcat]

idk bobby we went from crushing blow + bloodbath to raging blow + bt with AM changing our cooldowns a lot

[sullen tendon]

Crushing blot and bloodbath are litearlly jsut raging blow and bloot thirst

[remote bobcat]

no they arent

[quick hull]

high apm fury hurts the hand but is very fun. Its gone through a few iterations since just DF

[valid stag]

This would make sense if it was coming from a Prot Warr which hasn't meaningfully changed since like end of Legion

[remote bobcat]

because there's a fundamentally different usage for those

than rb bt

[edgy widget]

tell that to the big BS and OF nerfs in 11.1
they literally nerfed AoE and buffed ST

[brave hamlet]

Maybe they need to change the name like how outlaw used to be combat

Then it will be a real rework

[marble schooner]

fury has always been one of the fastest paced specs in the game, if a rework happened (it will probably never happen) Id wager the focus would be to mantain the fast pace feel while fixing things

[mortal veldt]

is fury back in the game for m+ now boys

[edgy widget]

people seem think that unless the name of your core ability changes, you didn't get a rework is the real issue here

[dense elbow]

They can, as long they don't change meatcleaver functionality. but instead do things with our AoE CDs.

[quick hull]

just sort the dps meters alphabetically and make fury start with an A, and itll always be top

[edgy widget]

like did yall forget about all the talent changes between DF and TWW?

Annihilator?

Deft rework?

[sullen tendon]

they gutted the spec from a week 1 raid response and it hasnt been the same since. that isnt a rework of the spec thats literally jsut number tuning

[chilly fractal]

RIP S3 Tier set

[edgy widget]

they also buffed the ST by like 20%

[brave hamlet]

Member when they made fury start the xpac faster and not need like 30% haste for the spec to feel good

[eternal sundial]

how did my gameplay change week 1 vs week 5 of the tier

didnt i just do less damage

[tepid cedar]

there aint no way as a pugger u get .1% as warrior. were as a DK u can probably get invited into keys for attempts. do u understand how much time and effort it would take as a warrior to constanty do homework keys.

new resilient is awesome but it needs to be changed that resilient always goes a lvl up. not forcing u to do homework keys, to finaly get it up then have a tank fuck it first pull. then u go back to the same scenario. ohh btw u wiont ever get invited into other gruoups as a warrior again. so ur forced to put in 10x the amnount of effort

[sullen tendon]

Your numbers went down

they didnt change anything about the gameplay

[remote bobcat]

some people think it's too similar to historical fury implementations i suppose

[eternal sundial]

so did my gameplay loop change

ok cool

[edgy widget]

they also since buffed Bladestorm and OF back by the same amount they nerfed them by in 11.1

[autumn halo]

HOLY CRAP THAT IS LORG

[marble schooner]

if you change a very high % of the talents but the only real change to the rotation is "now you hold BT more before sending" or "now you send Rb way more between Ramps". Was it really a meaningfull rework?

[autumn halo]

calm down

[sullen tendon]

They didnt buff slayer back u.

up

[fiery edge]

dafuq does baldmongold have to do with fury changes?

[remote bobcat]

oh hi jordan the data analyst person

[quiet breach]

YOOO GUYS IS FURY BACK???

[sullen tendon]

blizzard gave warrior love becuase their favorite cash cow played warrior until he quit wow

[marble schooner]

or just "tuning"

[remote bobcat]

no

[chilly fractal]

Nothing just a false equivalence

[modest condor]

did i hallucinate those 30% buffs to bladestorm and reap?

[brave hamlet]

Warriors these days

[quiet breach]

IS ODYNS FURY REAL

[plush zephyr]

not roman

[sullen tendon]

and no one played it anyways

[tepid cedar]

yep. never happened

[fiery edge]

it's Furover my guy

[autumn halo]

hi

[hardy bluff]

so the nerf before didnt matter too or?

[bleak saffron]

what buffs

[edgy widget]

they buffed Slayer 3 weeks ago dude
#updates-midnight message

[remote bobcat]

thank you for your contributions

[edgy widget]

Bladestorm damage +30%
Reap damage +30%

[sullen tendon]

not back to what it was. like you said they buffed OF and BS back to

[edgy widget]

yes, +30%

[remote bobcat]

btw its kind of a bad time in the fury channel cuz people complain about target caps n stuff and archi is holding the fort down rn @autumn halo

[marble pilot]

How far behind Slayer is Thane for ST now? These new changes are a slight ST boost right with TBlast getting buffed. And WW filler being buffed

[modest condor]

nowhere close still

[chilly fractal]

It’s like saying you know someone that got a kidney transplant and died a week later when they died getting hit by a car or something completely unrelated

[modest condor]

like 8-9% i would say

[ornate gust]

How good OF now for fights like Rik, Stix, Bandit and Gally?

[sullen tendon]

you will still play MT in aoe and Slayer in ST

[remote bobcat]

good question, might have some value on gally mythic

[fiery edge]

LMAO

[remote bobcat]

and stix mythic

[quiet breach]

is odyns fury gonna become meta do u think? @edgy widget

[dense elbow]

Hah, one day it will

[brave hamlet]

I miss odyns fury

[dense elbow]

Then play it

[brave hamlet]

In legion anyway

[marble pilot]

I figured. Just hoped they were somewhat closer. Thane is just a lot more fun for me. The theme of Thane is just amazing. And I played a lot of Mountain Thane in Warcraft 3 Custom games.

[edgy widget]

In Season 1, they nerfed Bladestorm by 10% and OF by 15%
#updates-midnight message

3 weeks ago, they buffed Bladestorm by 30%
#updates-midnight message

next week, they're buffing OF by 30% (they also already buffed it by 15% when they changed Titans Torment)
#updates-midnight message

[smoky vale]

god i love @ ing archimtiros

[oblique trail]

@clever belfry

[remote bobcat]

then you should play it mate, you'll always outperform on whatever ur comfortable on anyway

[ashen tendon]

@tidal kindle

[remote bobcat]

imho

[fiery edge]

blademaster spec when

[edgy widget]

it'll become usable, idk if I'd call it meta just yet

[brave hamlet]

What if instead of increasing target cap they make single minded good

[remote bobcat]

hii gio

[brave hamlet]

That would be fun

[remote bobcat]

no.

[dense elbow]

Single Minded Fury?

[gusty sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-minions-popcorn-day-laugh-gif-5026739

[smoky vale]

hi :3

[remote bobcat]

i hope not

[fiery edge]

smf

[remote bobcat]

what did u end up on with mugzee?

[edgy widget]

nobody wants SMF to be good, even the people who like SMF won't enjoy what it will do to the spec

[remote bobcat]

what %?

[marble pilot]

Oh I play slayer just fine. It isnt as much fun to me though. At least I have M+/open world for Thane.

[dense elbow]

What if: They make SMF BiS for ST, and TG for AoE

[smoky vale]

32%

[dense elbow]

[remote bobcat]

not too shabby

[warm crag]

Your time has come

[fiery edge]

remove dat shit

[smoky vale]

that reminds me

[tepid cedar]

secret tech no one knows about

[remote bobcat]

god.

[brave hamlet]

Oh I know I was just stirring the pot

[warm crag]

Spread the OF propaganda

[smoky vale]

i need to tell them i got a trial in a different guild

[tepid cedar]

smf daggers have been doing 30 mill pulls

[autumn halo]

imma end it all

[quick hull]

maybe i'm uninformed but who pugs .1%?!?!?!?! less than a 1000 people can even attain it currently. I think were setting extremely unrealistic goals here to drive balance. But hey to each their own.

Every class deals with bricked keys and setbacks, ive sat in the keyfinder loop for hrs this season on boomy on rogue on warrior(all with high ilvl and 3k ios) it just be like that. But maybe my goals and experience dont align with yours idk.

that said i do think fury was more fun/better last season and in DF than this season

[edgy widget]

they did it in MoP and you end up trying to juggle half a dozen weapons and hate your life

[echo merlin]

i would hate having to keep up with 4 different weapons

[dense elbow]

reactions are as expected

[marble pilot]

Imagine crafting 4 weapons if you are not a mythic raider.

[edgy widget]

they literally did it in MoP lol

like we've been through this before

[smoky vale]

you aint seen half of kitty's shitposts

[remote bobcat]

imagine crafting 4 weapons as a mythic raider since its directly correlated to your raid performance

[echo merlin]

so happy i decided to not play mop when it comes out then

[dense elbow]

I didnt play MoP, so I am sad to say, I never got that pleasure. As such, they should reintroduce the weapon juggling so I get to play it as well.

[tepid cedar]

i have in the past lol. but i also go invited and wasnt solely on my key

[remote bobcat]

releases soon funky

[edgy widget]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[chilly fractal]

Mop Classic in beta right now

[tepid cedar]

i enjoyed it cause it was possible.

[autumn halo]

lol

[tepid cedar]

now its jsut not

[marble schooner]

just let us dw shields

[dense elbow]

Ok, then give me another 15% OF buff

[remote bobcat]

????????????

The true juggernaut

[autumn halo]

Note to self: Do not play fury in MoP Classic, then.

[brave hamlet]

I miss when stormbolt did extra DMG to stun immune

[remote bobcat]

double shield

[marble schooner]

shield slam spec

[dense elbow]

Go on...

[autumn halo]

Glad I got to scratch that one off the list

[hardy bluff]

you play arms anyway

[marble pilot]

Nah let the pallies have double shield. I want shield and 2h sword plz

[chilly fractal]

20 minute Sha of Fear 25 Heroic

[olive wraith]

Give me a 3rd 2h slot

[dense elbow]

[marble pilot]

Well Id rather a shield and spear just cause thats the best. But I know most people like swords.

[brave hamlet]

I wish spear animations were cooler

[remote bobcat]

play warlock and you will have a great time

[marble pilot]

I wish you just stabbed with spears....You know like how spears are used.

[dense elbow]

Nelf polearms: You hit em with the butt of the spear

[autumn halo]

gotta tank CMs so can't do lock.

[remote bobcat]

feral is really strong too

[brave hamlet]

Classic mop cmode stuff won't transfer to retail mog list right?

[meager hound]

I had a great time as Fury back in MoP and I never bothered with SMF. Still cleared all the Mythic raids.

[chilly fractal]

No

[remote bobcat]

supposedly not but people have hope

nothing has been confirmed afaik

[brave hamlet]

Right on wasnt sure don't wanna go get the sets for classes I don't have

[clever belfry]

meowzi

[dense elbow]

Only remix events bring back the mogs, no?

[autumn halo]

people are hard coping it will, but there is literally zero reason to think it will

[marble pilot]

I would be annoyed if I have to play classic to get retail mogs. Is that a thing?

[autumn halo]

no

[marble pilot]

MoP was one of my favorite xpacs and I still dont wanna do it lol

[plush maple]

Oh yeah never played Legion when it was current so gonna be fun to play Legion Remix and experience fury at the time (if they do that) but mostly legion artifacts, WQ, class orderhalls and theme

[chilly fractal]

Over the past 12-13 years or w/e the brain rot has evolved to the point if you don’t play a spec in the most optimal way you may as well die

[remote bobcat]

thats not how remix works

[marble pilot]

Remix uses current talents/builds

[oblique trail]

Meowda

[dense elbow]

You wont get the gameplay sadly, but maybe some of the content?

[plush maple]

Ah tip

[chilly fractal]

Legion Classic is what you are waiting for

[marble schooner]

afaik even mythic plus

[plush maple]

Hope for everything else

[smoky vale]

@clever belfry

[remote bobcat]

you will get draught

[marble pilot]

But legion classic would be how it was then.

[plush maple]

HELL YESS VROTHER

[rich veldt]

legion remix will save TWW

[marble pilot]

Thats like 2 years out though.

Or more

[clever belfry]

silence gala57

[plush maple]

Can’t wait for it though

[dense elbow]

Nop, I am killing Jim, then getting my CoF

[smoky vale]

@clever belfry

[remote bobcat]

my guy

[marble schooner]

cant wait till they get to Legion on Classic so i can complain on fury viability on M+ in two different xpacs at the same time

[plush maple]

And to be honest, can’t wait for BFA classic

[remote bobcat]

what was that titanforged crystal again

the world boss trinket

COPIUM

[dense elbow]

Crystal something something?

Arcanocrystal?

[remote bobcat]

arcanocrystal?

[autumn halo]

Arcanocrystal ye

[dense elbow]

I never got it

[rich veldt]

doubt they will continue after MOP

[fiery edge]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-gif-2813086212540319582

[marble schooner]

they will just skip WoD or make it like a 6 month cycle

[south kayak]

Aff specifically

[marble schooner]

theres no way they dont capitalize on Legion Classic

[dense elbow]

I mean, who wants to play Legion Classic on top of Retail? Legion was a loooooooooot of time to commit

[meager hound]

Yeah, that's unfortunate. I've been TG Fury since Wrath and have always enjoyed it.

[rich veldt]

wod was lit wdym? remember the twitter patch?

banger

[plush maple]

My first expansion and I loved it and did so much during that time

[plush maple]

Fuck retail

[autumn halo]

WoD Classic would actually work because you're crunching 2 years down to 1.

[tidal kindle]

[brave hamlet]

Are they changing how legendary rng worked in legion classic

[remote bobcat]

THATS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING

WoD classic would be fire

condensed content

[smoky vale]

hi garms

[remote bobcat]

the content is good, there just wasnt enough

[chilly fractal]

Remember the patch that was just the fucking camera and jukebox? Or were those 2 patches

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/barnyard-otis-god-i-miss-him-i-miss-him-gif-22948129

[smoky vale]

do you love jug garms

[warm crag]

You will not be playing a class Iteration anywhere close to what it was in legion

[smoky vale]

are you having fun on blue class

[stray pivot]

WE ARE SO BACK

[remote bobcat]

clueless~1

[fiery edge]

i find azerite armor stuff to be annoying

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/slowpoke-pokemon-water-psychic-gif-7898037

[brave hamlet]

Oh yeah it's remix haha

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/paladin-chad-paladin-tbc-paladin-chad-paladim-tbc-wow-gif-21591137

[brave hamlet]

I was all ready to be mad

[remote bobcat]

ew

[autumn halo]

I'm not quite sure the relevance to how classic works

[remote bobcat]

pink yellow sparkle shitter class

[smoky vale]

when do you wanna do keys :3

[ashen tendon]

arent u that random NA guy?

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/bla-bla-bla-talk-to-the-hand-stop-talking-shut-up-yeah-yeah-yeah-gif-16361579

[remote bobcat]

garm is yellow he cant be random

clueless~1

[plush maple]

You lost a lot of secondary stats but I liked Azerite armor because I didn’t reroll much so you just got your bis and that was it

[rich veldt]

bfa classic with nzoth not dying from a random beam

[pure breach]

https://tenor.com/view/kinda-sus-bro-cat-gif-14584810346138711389

[remote bobcat]

brother it would have been fine if there werent random upgrade procs

this one is BIS except the other proc'd warforged so its 895

or w/e

[dapper goblet]

you were one expansion off from thinking BFA was a hot pile of cow poop that it is

[plush maple]

Yeah imagine the fabled black city being a raid for one season

[autumn halo]

If they do Legion Classic and onwards I'll be curious to see how they try to pull off removing some of those grinds.

[plush maple]

Hahahaha I was aware of the feelings people had at the time, believe how the hate towards borrowed power started

[fiery edge]

https://tenor.com/view/kekwtf-gif-18599263

[plush maple]

I forgot about warforged

[remote bobcat]

they'd probably go the private server route where they implement all the quality of life changes early on

account wide AP

n stuff

idk

[autumn halo]

#nochanges

smh

[dense elbow]

They gonna make legendaries drop often, so they can say: "We didnt throttle it, see?! SEE?!"

[dapper goblet]

they've been pretty good so far about making some grinds or things account wide

[remote bobcat]

I'd just make 2 of the same character

[autumn halo]

They'll probably start with the vendor in Legion tbf

[remote bobcat]

to make sure i get good legos

[jolly parrot]

is there a wa for fury 4 set?

[remote bobcat]

doesnt rly change gameplay sir

[dense elbow]

Nope, not needed, does nothing

[jolly parrot]

i see

[brave hamlet]

Is it a hot take to say titan forge was more hype than war forge

[autumn halo]

The 7.3.2 vendor or whatever patch that came out

[remote bobcat]

both shit

[dense elbow]

Well, Titan Forge does sound more hype

[fiery edge]

it's so ass

[oblique trail]

If they don't it's a failed project off the get-go

[remote bobcat]

like my lad randomly got his BIS piece from an m+8 because it proc'd the max ilvl

[dense elbow]

I still cant get over this LFR raider, that was in full BiS titanforged LFR gear

[plush maple]

I have a question for the people that are also into classic discussion, do you guys think they will stop the progression servers at some point? In my head I can’t find how they’ll justify it unless they do a reset because they are selling mounts for classic only in bundles and maybe alone in shop so how can’t imagine people being okay for servers to stop when they have bought mounts

[remote bobcat]

he used it the entire season

cool

[remote bobcat]

just depends on players i suppose

[oblique trail]

Wow let me go spam MoS for another 500 times in hope of getting the legendary that I need, and not some turbo ass one like Prydaz on launch

[autumn halo]

good times (:

[brave hamlet]

Woooo MoS weekly spam

[jolly parrot]

in execute we can just perma send it right or do we wait for 3 stacks?

[brave hamlet]

4x maw

[remote bobcat]

you dont want to click execute on cooldown hope that helps

that button is ass

[plush maple]

Surprised they haven’t added legion dungeons to a season pool

Unless I have missed it

[autumn halo]

they have

[oblique trail]

They have brother

[remote bobcat]

just follow execute conditionals

[quiet breach]

does the thunder blast damage increase make it undoubtably better than RB in ST? @edgy widget @winter shoal

[plush maple]

Dang

[jolly parrot]

so in execute we do normal rota and send execute on 3 stacks ye

[modest condor]

we've had like 5 legion dungeons

[plush maple]

Of course

[modest condor]

yes

[plush maple]

When I wasn’t playing

[autumn halo]

BRH, DHT, CoS uhhh i'm missing some but that's off the top of my head

[remote bobcat]

3 stacks MFE
2 stacks SD
1 stack of SD about to fall off
overwhelming falling off and at least 1 stack of MFE on target

[autumn halo]

NL

[remote bobcat]

did i miss one?

[oblique trail]

Karazhan as well (think only top part)

[modest condor]

aj about to fall off

[oblique trail]

During S4 of SL

[plush zephyr]

i hated dht lol

[edgy widget]

it already was with Meat Cleaver, but yeah this will push it further ahead

[remote bobcat]

oh ye

AShen Jugg about to fall off

thats the other one

where u press exe

[jolly parrot]

mfe is short for

[autumn halo]

Don't worry Seat is coming back soon too

[south kayak]

Does it also mean that you want to press BT more to proc TB?

[oblique trail]

marked for execution @jolly parrot

[jolly parrot]

tyty

[remote bobcat]

marked for execution as banezi said, but its not a buff, its the debuff you apply to enemies when you proc a slayers strike

[modest condor]

doesnt seem like it from the 30 seconds i spent looking into it

[chilly fractal]

We require 35 seconds Silm

[modest condor]

if you do the last 5 seconds we can do it

[chilly fractal]

Ok

Doesn’t seem like it

[modest condor]

thank you

[remote bobcat]

i wouldnt be surprised if the BT > RB prio changes from 6 targets to 5 targets

[south kayak]

what about 5 more?

yeah, you guys are right

[modest condor]

i only checked with 1 talent build but it wasnt

[remote bobcat]

fair enough

I'd imagine it be close at least tho

SwagCool

[modest condor]

yeah it is

[edgy widget]

hypothetically, but haven't had much luck changing the priority yet, I'll play with it more this weekend

[modest hollow]

is there any1 here that even uses Execute?

[quaint forge]

I just like pressing it because it makes me feel good.

[quiet breach]

most of us when we play slayer

[remote bobcat]

as slayer? yes. As thane? only for filler purposes

the button sucks but its not bad once conditions are met

but only then

[modest condor]

i press execute about once per dungeon on average

[remote bobcat]

real

[edgy widget]

Execute probably should be better, but it's weird that people act like it just doesn't get used at all

[quiet breach]

yeah I do press it occasionally as thane as a filler

as well

[edgy widget]

Thane isn't supposed to focus on Execute, that part is fine

[modest hollow]

im having massive trouble keeping up with every1 in aoe, can barely push 12m

[south kayak]

Execute is in a good place for slayer imo. Not to say that it's in a perfect place, that would be prioritizing Execute over anything aside from Rampage and removing the modifiers from RB

[quiet breach]

anyone else get a dopamine rush when they press execute at low rage

[south kayak]

You are capped to 5 targets

Of course you are

[remote bobcat]

i think people are too focused on MFE that they forget about ashen jugg and SD conditions so they end up not pressing it. A lot of them also just dont use the fury SD conditions weakaura, they just look at the MFE debuffs i suppose. At least that's how I'd understand it

🤔

[plush maple]

Oh yeah one really big M+ win imo is how they changed key levels and that you get portals at 10 because dunno if it’s true +20 key levels are basically today’s 10 but way easier getting to 10 than 20

[edgy widget]

tbf Ashen Jugg doesn't matter for Fury

MFE is the only real important optimization

and even then, you end up using Execute fairly often off 3 marks

[remote bobcat]

not much but its good enough reason to press it ig

[south kayak]

Ashen Jugg should be halved but also increase critical strike damage

[quiet breach]

yeah because we are one of the worst specs in the game at aoe

[remote bobcat]

regardless of ashen jugg, can we please* make arms jugg function like prot jugg

😭

please*

god

[south kayak]

the worst

[edgy widget]

Arms Jugg needs to have its duration cut down

[remote bobcat]

DOWN?

[edgy widget]

yes

make it a 5-6 second buff

[south kayak]

Jugg needs to have it's duration down to 6 seconds and stack to 99

[remote bobcat]

[south kayak]

Where did I see this before

[remote bobcat]

more rng

[edgy widget]

it's not more RNG, it's no RNG

you make it short enough that no amount of RNG can maintain it

[smoky vale]

or

[edgy widget]

means that you can't game it anymore

[smoky vale]

DELETE JUG

[quiet breach]

spriest?

[remote bobcat]

i mean reworking it is just better then

[edgy widget]

making the buff longer just makes it easier to game

[radiant plank]

Fury's ashen jugg is good for the spec

[south kayak]

Spriest has uncapped damage as long as they dot the targets lol

[radiant plank]

Arms Juggernaut is bad for the spec

[edgy widget]

but turning it into a short powerful buff that rewards sticking on the target during Execute reduces the gaming

if it lasts say 6s, you will never get enough SD procs to maintain it >35%, so you'll stop worrying about trying to

[smoky vale]

or

[edgy widget]

and no, it won't be perfect for every boss with downtime during Execute, but that's fine as long as there are other options - if anything its preferential, since it will give you a reason to play Colossus and/or Battlelord

[remote bobcat]

wouldnt we just end up pooling 2x SD and then hope for third proc within the 11-12 second window

[smoky vale]

arms gets a rework and jug is gone

[edgy widget]

no because you won't be able to do that a second time

you might extend it out an extra cycle, but you're not going to maintain it, and if you're not pressing Execute then that extension doesn't do anything for you anyway

[remote bobcat]

yea thats what i meant roughly

extending to 3, maybe 4 stacks in pure st

but not realistically more

[edgy widget]

you might get to 3 or 4 stacks, but it's still going to fall off anyway

[remote bobcat]

yea

[distant ice]

@sullen tendon i just enjoy your takes on things

[remote bobcat]

but heres the thing right

[edgy widget]

but getting to 3 or 4 stacks is frankly fine, the issue is going into 35% with 15 stacks vs going in with 0

[remote bobcat]

i feel a boss like Mugzee would be really really shit with 5-6sec jugg

[edgy widget]

maybe, but that's fine, because you have other options in Colossus and Battlelord

[smoky vale]

me when my 15 jug falls off right before i refresh and get a sd after

[remote bobcat]

fair

[remote bobcat]

yep.

[sullen tendon]

i am the only sane warrior

[smoky vale]

no

[edgy widget]

its ok, even preferential if the same spec/build isn't played for every single fight

[remote bobcat]

no

[remote bobcat]

i agree

i liked blord colossus arms on oab

refreshing

[winter shoal]

Crazy work to @ me as if I know anything about anything

[dense elbow]

If jugg uptime goes down, then power can go up

[smoky vale]

@winter shoal

[edgy widget]

I mean reducing reliance on Jugg should be the ideal solution

as well as enforcing more build variety

the fact that Arms plays the same Slayer build on practically every fight is a design failure

[gleaming siren]

Gio least sane Warrior

[edgy widget]

And look at how happy Fury players were to actually use Thane for a couple fights this tier?

[smoky vale]

:3

[edgy widget]

it doens't need to make a complete 100% flip from all slayer to all colossus/thane

[remote bobcat]

i think every single person agrees on this

except devs apparently

[clever belfry]

ure so true for this my king

[edgy widget]

just a little bit of variety, give players a reason to think "hmm, maybe I should try Colossus here" instead of Colossus just being a worse version of Slayer

[radiant plank]

Colossus is good on Stix + oab

[edgy widget]

eh its ok

[smoky vale]

[remote bobcat]

stix btw

[smoky vale]

boss damage only relevant on stix

[remote bobcat]

arms fight

Fire

[smoky vale]

[edgy widget]

which coincidentally means Slayer lol

[south kayak]

Outlaw poggers

[smoky vale]

yep

i legit only swap to adds to get jug

nothing else matters

and breaking bombshells

but like

even then its barely worth to swap

[fading sky]

Fr juggernaut must die

[edgy widget]

giving specs distinct strengths is a good to create a gameplay incentive
but people also forget that weaknesses also help promote variety

it's fine for Slayer to be good at Execute, but it's also fine for them to be not good at fights without a good Execute phase, which is where Colossus should shine

[fading sky]

Or well slayer + juggernaut is rly the issue here

[edgy widget]

Juggernauts issue exists solely with the potential for gaming

[fading sky]

Slayer

[edgy widget]

if there wasn't such a huge swing between going into 35% with 15 stacks versus 0, then Jugg wouldn't be a problem

[meager hound]

I solve the Juggernaut issue by just not playing Arms 😛 (I only raid heroic, so I have that luxury)

[edgy widget]

so again, the solution is just reduce the duration on Jugg - make it a short maintenance buff that rewards sticking on target, while removing the potential to just stack it up for 3m straight

[remote bobcat]

what if the jugg duration is infinite and it just drops out of combat

yea nvm

[edgy widget]

that just exacerbates the problem - making it better on extended fights
suddenly you have a short fight and it becomes shit again
not to mention the M+ issue of chaining combat

[fading sky]

Better to delete it

Severely reduce stacks as well

[remote bobcat]

variety ? :> :>

[edgy widget]

Yes, but there are multiple effects right?

you get variety that way, but you also get "wow my build just stopped working after the raid buff"

and again, you really don't want a world where you have to stay in combat 100% of the time in M+

[cold bluff]

Yo archimtrios , whats the possibility that we use OF for upcoming week in m+ ?

[edgy widget]

don't get me wrong - it's not the worst solution, it's just not the best one either

[fading sky]

Shorter cd is worse

[edgy widget]

it'll be playable, not really redefining the meta or anything, but you can use it

[fading sky]

1 bad mechanic and u are fckd

[remote bobcat]

i think that can be avoided if its stuck behind very blatant single target talents

[cold bluff]

so we gonna rely with pretty much standard Thane right ?

[edgy widget]

maybe, but now you're talking about changing even more at the same time

[polar needle]

Is it just me, or does this feel like its not going to fix anything.... https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/250408178922029068/1375509393864396891/Screenshot_20250523-122255.png?ex=6831f273&is=6830a0f3&hm=d7a4660c2501c3a42db8665a70078a31ded9e8b5e3dcc85e80d07578b7bf0c1b&

[analog kite]

are you cooking anything up for warrior rn Archi

[remote bobcat]

yea ur right

[sour tundra]

it wont

[cinder wren]

I just wanna push execute when its active, sudden death or execute range where it gets better priority. Just wanna zug

[edgy widget]

it's not really meant to "fix" anything

[remote bobcat]

thats almost rework levels of changes

that i thought about

[sour tundra]

as long as we are still target capped these so called "buffs" mean nothing

[cold bluff]

tbf whirlwind sucks to be pressed

[edgy widget]

tbf, my suggestion also includes reducing Jugg's stack count to like 5, thereby making it easier to stack back up if you do happen to drop it

[fading sky]

That would make up for it y

[cold bluff]

Wish they could implement auto attack cleave instead of giving us whirlwind

[polar needle]

changes for the sake of changes, i guess, ill take the 25% bump to TB i guess,

[edgy widget]

stacking back up 15 stacks is a serious investment, since it takes like 20s
stacking back up 5 stacks in 6s is a lot easier

[fickle cedar]

jugg should stack to 99 again and you should only lose 1 stack if it runs out

[dense elbow]

Ah, only 1 stack fall off per 6 sec? Interesting idea

[mossy pelican]

He said 5% buff, which takes us from F tier to D tier, I’m sure Noxiv will be slightly pleased though

[remote bobcat]

hm but archi how would you balance the rng of pre exe phase then? If it only stacks to 5 then either exe must be stronger or those 5 stacks must be stronger to keep execute in a similar balance spot as it is rn

[quiet geyser]

Its a random mid tier patch, we aren't going to seee massive changes that will actually fix fury's flaws in such a patch.

If anything, it's good news that blizz is aware of how far behind fury is in m+ competitively, and is atleast addressing it for hopefully a future big change

[remote bobcat]

we'd just rng SD procs for dmg then no?

pre exe phase

same issue but different culprit

[fading sky]

5 stacks = same dmg as the 15 now

[smoky vale]

it would just feel less bad to not have stacks

[fading sky]

Yup

[smoky vale]

bc 20 vs 5 long amount of time

[fading sky]

Only let jugger activevate sub 35% mby?

[remote bobcat]

i mean yeah you wouldnt feel as shit with jugg but then you'd be like "man i didnt get many sd procs" so your parse ends up being shit

since exe has to be way stronger

[fading sky]

Man sd procs arent random

Ppm

Some randomeness is fine

[remote bobcat]

not completely random yea

but ykwim

[analog kite]

we should start a boxing max for all the devs, winners class gets to be meta

1k on Archi

[dense elbow]

Are you arguing that SD Exe procs cant be strong, cause logs?

[remote bobcat]

yesn't

im not arguing exactly that

im just saying it will still feel shit but for a different reason

ykwim?

[fading sky]

Nah

It would avg out over a 5m encounter

[dense elbow]

Kinda, I am just too far in camp 'for fun', that I can really see the positives

[fading sky]

• u still have marks

[remote bobcat]

on a sprocket encounter yeah

[cinder wren]

Is there a way to make SD procs just sendable, buff execute I guess but maybe thats a whole can of worms

[remote bobcat]

but mugzee adds with sweeping up?

no procs?

well unlucky

nice damage cuh

yea u can exe when its sub 35%

but before that?

skill issue

[dense elbow]

Multiple ways:

• Buff Exe raw dam
• Change exe interactions with mark during SD proc (doesnt consume the stacks, gains the benefit - or always counts as max effect when it consumes the effect)
• have exe interact with rest of the kit, like RB does

[remote bobcat]

SD procs just sendable is if you make it dummy strong or by making it relatively strong while removing conditional shit around it

[fading sky]

Yes remove juggernaut

Fury chat

Hm

[chilly fractal]

Guys I got an idea

[solemn plover]

I agree

[dense elbow]

Is it to make SD procs to do %dam extra based on AJ stacks?

[chilly fractal]

A tier set that increases how many SD procs we get… and increases execute damage /s

[dense elbow]

[remote bobcat]

Pepega

[marble schooner]

rework VC to if you BT a target below 35% your next Exec does gigadam and make BT feel good to press and then delet jugg

[dense elbow]

Why would you delete AJ?

[remote bobcat]

aj is fine

[warm crag]

Hello blue self

[solemn plover]

Hello Red self.

[plush maple]

Just make Execute deal a lot of damage but increase it's cooldown by a little bit

[dense elbow]

Double the dam and CD?

[chilly fractal]

Remove the CD

[marble schooner]

ok dont delete AJ then I just want BT to interact with Exec

[solemn plover]

Did you sign off on the upcoming nerfs?

[chilly fractal]

Or add a 2nd charge

[marble schooner]

[cinder wren]

So like slayers imminent demise just making SD do a set amount more instead of stack scaling (and bs cdr) or have it do something like "SD executes also increase your attack speed by x for y secs"

[dense elbow]

NO

NO HURRICANE JR EFFECTS

[remote bobcat]

god

[dense elbow]

BOOOO

[fickle cedar]

best i can do is increase slam damage by 23%

[plush maple]

Ooooooor Make each cast of RB also increase damage of execute (after execute buff)

[cinder wren]

🤣🤣

[remote bobcat]

i just puked dizzee

[plush maple]

This is cata execute

[cinder wren]

Sorry I couldnt resist 🤣

[marble schooner]

yah make RB even more important yes

blizz dev liked this post

[remote bobcat]

remember back in classic when bloodthirst was the heavy hitter?

Sadge

[analog kite]

how is fury channel popping more than arms

[dense elbow]

VC BTs with Tiersetproc still is

wdum?!?!?!

[fickle cedar]

they're all playing the game

[remote bobcat]

wdym how

[winter shoal]

Always is

[meager hound]

Because Fury attacks faster.

[remote bobcat]

fury is always more active

than arms

[winter shoal]

Fury channel is where the shitposting happens

[marble schooner]

BT in WoTLk 🤪

[analog kite]

idk i havent been in here in awhile

[winter shoal]

Arms is for actual discussion

[remote bobcat]

didnt play then idk

[dense elbow]

"discussion"

[plush maple]

Make RB more important and make BT just a healing ability

[marble schooner]

BT and WW were heavy hitters

just like classic ig

[analog kite]

let us talent ignore pain

without drawbacks

[chilly fractal]

No

[analog kite]

no you

[fickle cedar]

we are tanky enough

[chilly fractal]

I already ignore pain

[analog kite]

what about arms

[fickle cedar]

the only thing we cant tank is lfg

[dense elbow]

What if:
Rampage now also casts Ignore Pain?

[chilly fractal]

Tell my healers “shut up heal me”

[dense elbow]

[plush maple]

OOOOH, Rampage Casts Execute and Execute casts rampage

[chilly fractal]

The infinite combo

[dense elbow]

Oooooooooh, AND EXECUTE CASTS NOW CAST WW!

[analog kite]

remove ravager, and let us move and attack with bladestorm

[dense elbow]

WW casts bladestorm

[marble schooner]

Rb casts Ramp

[remote bobcat]

exe casting whirlwind can have flavor

[fickle cedar]

the true one button rotation

[cinder wren]

"SD executes now causes all your party memebers to comment on how handsome and good at the game you are" huge buff

[plush maple]

Remove WW from GCD so you can macro WW into every ability

[plush maple]

Jokes on you I can already do that with a macro

[remote bobcat]

autoclicker on whirlwind keybind

[meager hound]

Bring back Heroic Strike.

[chilly fractal]

Add Heroic Strike back into the game… it still costs rage

[remote bobcat]

infinite dam until game crashes

[chilly fractal]

Fuck

[floral frigate]

rampage cas whirlwind like the old torghast power

nerf ww dmg if needed

[marble schooner]

every hit of ramp has a chance to cast slam, this slam consumes WW cleave charges

[plush maple]

Yeah do like asmonbald says and focus more on class fantasy not spec fantasy so give me all rotational abilities from arms and prot so I can never use them

[crude flame]

I wanna tank as fury warrior ><

[plush maple]

Brother you can already do that, just queue as tank while in fury spec

Many already do that for some reason

[crude flame]

not in m+

[cinder wren]

[marble schooner]

ok hear me out, we generate too much rage

[cinder wren]

What if slaughtering strikes was a function of Slayers imminent demise? Makes execute more valuable per proc and pulls some power out of rb

Really just moves it to another ability I suppose

[gilded pawn]

if jugg exists then not really

that condition will always be there

you can make slayer SD power up exec

[warm crag]

They are coming

[gilded pawn]

instead of getting more execs

[warm crag]

OF will be shot

[solemn plover]

Excellent.

[cinder wren]

Goddam jugg I tell ya

[frank dawn]

so does anyone else have thier guildmates being like "holy shit 120% ww buff? that seems insane!"

oh yeah man, the whole like 1.5% overall of my damage it is, very insane

[ornate gust]

It will help you to melt adds before other classes so better padding 😍

[noble elm]

120% of nothing is still nothing

[frank dawn]

I mean, I think it's a fine buff lol to make that button feel a little more worthwhile for what it is

it's just funny to me that people think whirlwind actually does damage

[winter shoal]

Arms WW is now only 20% behind cleave HOLY

Huge buffs

[marble schooner]

I mean if something needed a 120% buff then its weird to think it will be strong now

[remote bobcat]

yep.

"yea i dont know anything about your class how did you know?"

[charred estuary]

Still think that thunder blast and lightning strike aoe should be reduced past 8 again but I'm happy with 25%

[marble schooner]

same with economies "this country's economy skyrocketted 87% ytd" yah I wonder how it grew so much % in just a year

[analog kite]

daddy trump

[noble elm]

It’s easy to grow the economy by 87% if you tank it by 500% shortly before

[marble schooner]

bingo

[analog kite]

people panicing and pulling stocks out doesnt constitute by tanking it though

[gleaming siren]

I just realized Loboz build was buffed

[winter shoal]

OF got a 123% buff and was very strong before it got shot 16 times

[remote bobcat]

jap

[marble schooner]

I said its weird to think it, not that it never happened x)

[wind torrent]

It was the perfect time to buy, people are stupid for pulling out lmao

[marble schooner]

gut reaction should be "was it THAT bad?"

not "omg its gigabonkers now poggers"

[analog kite]

even if people just held, they would be up even more right now

[wind torrent]

thats what makes them stupid, im glad there are stupid people for me to benefit

[analog kite]

bingo

[wind torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-16565229595323670098

[analog kite]

https://tenor.com/view/make-it-rain-raining-money-money-connor-mcgregor-gif-15047676

[karmic fiber]

We just best-in-slots with a recklessness after opener right?

[remote bobcat]

yerr

unless u dont have an active trinket

[open wigeon]

Do you guys press reckless and avatar or just macro all together?

[karmic fiber]

I don't use an active on fury but on m+ arms I do use a funhouse lens, how do you line it up there 😄

[marble schooner]

bind trinket and bis to WB but put trinket first

idk

[karmic fiber]

Makes sense, ty

[south kayak]

They buffed the 45% cleave by 120%

[sullen tendon]

I click all 4 cool downs in a row

[barren dagger]

Will it be worth it to play fury thane with this aoe buff in m+? Or colossus is still way to go?

[sullen tendon]

Fury doesn’t have colossus

[barren dagger]

Does it have affliction?

[open wigeon]

I believe arms colossus still beat fury, but it's end of season, just play what you find more fun

[frank dawn]

Thane will be tankier than Colosso Arms and have better single target damage. Just kinda depends on your group

[barren dagger]

Okay thanks

[open wigeon]

I play only 12-14, at this range fury and arms are almost the same since there isn't much big pulls

[barren dagger]

Yeah i just got back from a break. It’s just to get my 13s done

[open wigeon]

15+ and beyond arms will start to gap, but will you get at this point? I won't

[barren dagger]

But the ilvl increase and horrific visions buff should be mad

Anyways

[hardy wadi]

overall dmgwise in m+ how farther ahead is thane over slayer rn before the buff ?

further ahead*

idk english

[quiet geyser]

In 10s? Pretty much the same

14+? Thane is noticeably higher

[hardy wadi]

with noticebly higher you mean overall like 400k more dps?

i manage to get 2,5-3m in most dungeons with slayer rn

but my highest is +12

i hate seeing myself 1,5m under some classes and want to close the gap a bit

still ilvl 665 tho

[quiet geyser]

At 12s and 665 ilvl, your priority is to just get gear lol don't worry what hero talent to play

You'll go from 3m to 3.5m+ just catching up to every1 else in ilvl

[hardy wadi]

well thats reassuring

i was like 1,8m dmg behind a hunter that had only 5 ilvl higher than me

feels so weird

and most paladins get 500k more dps than me with lower ilvl is that normal? didnt feel like that s1

i was pretty even with most paladins and slayer

in s1

[quiet geyser]

Paladins are broken yes, in lower keys

[hardy wadi]

well thanks, i try to farm crests then

[fiery tide]

How bad is it to play fury with arms stats

[plush maple]

No surpise some other classes may do more damage than us in AoE when their breakdown looks like this

Fury is atleast more balanced with damage spread out more

Atleast at my ilvl atm

[snow flower]

Depends on which Fury and what content. Slayer Fury does better with Arms stats than Mountain Thane does in my experience. Maybe ~20% difference for thane. ~10% for Slayer - these are rough estimates from memory, not recent math and tests

Can always sim it in Raidbots to be thorough

[hollow elk]

time to one armed bandit jail

5/8 achieved

[kind bolt]

in timewalking yes

[hollow elk]

worst part is probably losing all the mastery.

[earnest canyon]

gz man

[hollow elk]

last pull magic lol. and thanks

[plush maple]

Love last pull magic

[chilly fractal]

It’s not a long prog fight

Increased ilvl and buff should make it just like any other fight

[fading sky]

Hmm sprocket jail atm best try i think is 50%

Kindda embarrasing. But all the hard stuff is done by range players. So just gotta wait until they learn it

[lean wasp]

how much is next weeks buff

[sullen tendon]

not enough

[lean wasp]

ik its not that big prob between 2-3% but how much exactly

why didnt they buff prot thunder clap while at it 😦

[sullen tendon]

if you didnt play slayer in m+ you still wont play slayer in m+

[mossy pelican]

Updates channel says roughly 5%

Which is just enough for us to continue scraping the bottom of the charts

[static mountain]

hey bois which weap enchants shud i get for fury?

for m+

[sullen tendon]

i usually go both radiant

[static mountain]

ok thanks man

[bronze creek]

So with the buffs that are coming next week will we be taking Oydn's Fury?

[woven valley]

Most likely no, unless there are more changes

[steep anchor]

can i truly be a fury warrior if i cant get the garrosh shoulders to drop?

[gaunt loom]

Recklessness isn’t back up in time for the first add phase on mythic Gallywix—am I doing something wrong?

[smoky vale]

how far off are oyu

and are you playing pe

[gaunt loom]

I want to use it together with Bladestorm, but after the adds spawn, I have to wait another 5 to 15 seconds for Recklessness to come off cooldown.

[smoky vale]

what talents are you playing

[smoky vale]

ig you arent pressing rampage enough?

you are lusting on pull?

[gaunt loom]

I’ve been using Rampage whenever it’s available, but Recklessness still doesn’t come back in time.

[edgy widget]

yall aren't milking the kick enough

[smoky vale]

oh

thats something i didnt think of

[edgy widget]

Shield breaks very easily, if you kick it asap you're just getting extra mechanics for no reason - let the cast sit until <5s and then have one designated kicker (and tell your Prot Pal to stop throwing Avenger's Shield)

if you kick at <10s, you'll usually have ~12ish seconds left on Reck, which will be off CD by the time the technician gets brought into melee

[gaunt loom]

I checked the footage I recorded, and the interrupt happens around 21 seconds after the pull.

[edgy widget]

yeah, someone is trolling your raid

[smoky vale]

in this log of echo reclearing

they kicked at 24

[edgy widget]

I mean you certainly can

but it's ~15s of free damage with absolutely nothing going on

[smoky vale]

but wallife will probably have better gear

so

i think it also just explodes for them

no?

[edgy widget]

it doesn't matter

you want 20s with no mechanics or 20s with mechanics?

[gaunt loom]

Looks like the adds become targetable and can be hit starting at around 28 seconds after the pull.

[edgy widget]

the adds don't spawn until after the kick

when you kick is entirely up to your group

[gaunt loom]

The raid leader is handling the interrupts, so I should ask them about it.

[edgy widget]

its usually either someone absentmindedly hitting kick when dbm tells them to (and they should really turn that off if they're not the one responsible for kicking it) or a Prot Pal throwing out Avenger's Shield

either way, there's zero downside to milking it, except a little raid damage that's easy to heal through anyway

[thick fossil]

It's pretty much the only time to ignore priority and throw rampage and Execute a lot to fire up the CDR.

[edgy widget]

while you can kick at 28s or something and still get Reck up before the adds die, it's going to cause a little bit of delay that trickles over into the next set, and the next set, and so on - the more you milk it, the easier it will be both for you and the raid as a whole

because again, an extra 15-20s of tunneling the boss is just flat out better than an extra 15-20s of boss mechanics

[dense fulcrum]

https://prnt.sc/-Xl1NL1jXv2K we got it boyz, time for 3500

[smoky vale]

i got bad news for you bud

[dense fulcrum]

[smoky vale]

title gonna be a lot higher than 3500

its already above that

[dense fulcrum]

ahh i dont aim for that

[pure breach]

Really bad news

[dense fulcrum]

going as fury for title gonna be 10x painfull

im full pug xD

im trying to just push as higher i can as this is my first season

[hollow bloom]

Which title?

i`m very out of news in terms of high rating

[gaunt loom]

Thank you all for the great advice!

[feral ivy]

Suppressed no one talking about the buff we are getting

[hollow bloom]

They were earlier today i believe

I only wonder if OF will be truly usable again or not

We have to wait to see

[gaunt loom]

Watching the video again, the adds spawned but Recklessness still had 13 seconds left on cooldown.

[winter shoal]

Usable? Yes
Optimal? Unlikely

[hollow bloom]

By usable i meant that, optimal to use

[lean prism]

Jus wanted to reply and say I’m doing the exact same thing this season. Godspeed.

[ornate gust]

We broke the shield during our first progression kill when the timer hit 34 seconds.

[hushed gust]

OF is already usable in the Mountain Thane M+ build. i purposely swapped to it to accomodate for bigger pulls in PUGS. did all my 13's with it.

in terms of Slayer, I have no clue what to move away for it.

[lunar steeple]

is haste mastery still the general stat

[hushed gust]

get haste to 30%, stack mastery

[lunar steeple]

thanks

[gaunt loom]

So, is it better to delay the interrupt as much as possible?

[summer quail]

??

[iron portal]

Dont

Sim your character and dont aim for specific amount please

[olive wraith]

That guy was wrong listen to razonko

[iron portal]

Captain is either having a laugh or he believes it , which might be worse

[summer quail]

mfw i don't have 30% haste so my parses must be ass

[radiant sentinel]

gray parses

[iron portal]

@lunar steeple really please sim yourself

[junior gale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[hushed gust]

I mean- that’s what my sims are implying. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong.

[iron portal]

your sims

And i bet they will change when you replace another piece of gear

[olive wraith]

My sims tell me to add vers over haste

This is why we sim

[dense fulcrum]

ez

versa gang

[iron portal]

Sarri typing oh boy

[static loom]

The value of one stat depends on the amounts you have of all the other stats, what trinkets you have, and about 85 other different things

[iron portal]

Telling people to sim themselves since 2017, times never change

Jesus it has been over 8 years now

[static loom]

Also worth noting that all stats for Fury are really even

[iron portal]

I only respect leech and speed tbh

[static loom]

Hell, BiS setup uses a High Vers, low Crit bandit ring 🤷

[junior gale]

What a surprise warrior likes all stats

NOWAY

[still ibex]

Unless someone is low on mastery

[summer quail]

🤯

[iron portal]

Then your gear prob isnt even good

[junior gale]

But all the people who tell me I physically cannot play fury if I have high Crit from playing arms!

[iron portal]

Just tier pieces have decent amount of mastery

[junior gale]

Are they wrong?????

[static loom]

TL;DR, stat DRs makes all stats valueable

Jupp

But then again, if your gear is optimized for Arms, you'll most likely have better results from playing Arms over fury

On the other hand, you'll always have the best results if you play what you enjoy playing

[junior gale]

One day more people will realize secondary stats barely matter

[summer quail]

nah they won't ahahhaha

[silk wharf]

That's really only true because we are absolutely overlaoded on stats in the latest expansions.

[junior gale]

Feel like it's been true for awhile now

[static loom]

To be clear tho, we have a priority of what stats we prefer, but as there is diminishing returns on Secondary Stats now, the just comes a point where your 'worse' stats becomes worth getting over your 'good' stats

[olive wraith]

100% arp now you fool

[silk wharf]

101% arp to make the system flip out.

[static loom]

The true stat to go for is 52.4% crit

[dense fulcrum]

buff fury moar

[junior gale]

True balance and get 30/30/30/10

[hushed gust]

We’re- talking about fury here, right? Not arms?

[flat river]

hello archi

oop i was scrolled very far up

xd

[clever belfry]

gala57

[junior gale]

Balls

[marble schooner]

anyone done 5mask yet?

havent looked for routes or anything but it feels like with long night its gonna be haaaard

[quiet breach]

how excited / 10 are u guys to try out buffed odyn's fury

[fickle bluff]

just get elite extermination to rank 3 and its easy

[quiet breach]

I have still yet to have the sim tell me to build crit

its told me to build every stat except crit

at different points of my gearing

[mossy pelican]

We could get a flat 20% buff and still not be near the top, with no group utility to boot

[lean lava]

house of cards heroic is worth to buy by dinars?

[mossy pelican]

So like a 2/10 excited

[quiet breach]

do u have jastor diamond heroic?

[lean lava]

nope

[quiet breach]

get that instead imo

[toxic pivot]

House of cards vs Seaforium?

[quiet breach]

seaforium better in aoe house of cards better in ST

[junior gale]

Are you playing with pacemaker

[quiet breach]

until dinars came out and I bought myth pacemaker no

all that simming was done with HoC and Lockenstock

for ST

I have kezan and myth pacemaker now tho

got both like the same week lol

[junior gale]

Theres your crit

[quiet breach]

... but in my entire gearing process I wasnt using pacemaker

and the sim never told me to

whenever I would craft pieces

or check for enchant type for rings etc