#fury
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yea
but shouldnt complain, prot raid damage is already stupid
HOLD THE FUCK UP
it's funny bc they moved impenetrable wall rage on shield slam in colossus tree (promise i will not talk prot more here for the others)
THEY DIDNT BUFF PROT WW?!
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGEE!
MY 2HAND PROT SPEC?!!?
BLIZZ?!
you never know
yo funky are u eu or na
EUNE
do u wanna run visions?
Nop
can try loboz build in visions
Gala would love to tho, I heard rumors he really enjoy em
nah that egyptian god can stay away from me
i enjoy visions, i'm trying to do 5 masks
yea stay solo
For MT in single target m+ do you use the recommended aoe opener for MT?
Enjoy, I just didnt feel it. Did my 2 runs to get the enchantment, noticed I did it all on autopilot from BFA. So didnt have any fun
i know, i'll just do few 4 masks to finish elite extermination and it will be easy
i did 3-4 attempts and i just lack sanity to finish mage+ alleria
I believe in ya, ya got it next run
Does the thunderblast changes make it worth pressing in ST over RB and BT?
i'm eating bread to heal my sanity
Ovenproof asking the real questions, tho I cant answer. Not a Thane enjoyer
we are already pressing thunderblast in single target brother
i thought tb> rb is always the case?
that's what i thought, i was confused a lil bit
oh I thought there was a point where you didn't press it because it was a damage loss compared to RB and BT
yea that is the case
you thought wrong
unfortunately
isn't it even over rampage ?
TB is the giga dam proc, so I am glad to hear ya guys used it 
it went from dragon roar to uwu roar
i'm the only mf doing visions on my server
accurate
Perfect time to do a vision before you head for work
i'm in uni vacation
my server looking decent in comparison
until september
equal
think more that roar + 2 crit does more than spear + capstones
Spear is CC, as such should do max 15% AP damage.
more ap isnt it?
not natty
only with capstone
Spear always chains, wdum? =_=
This server man
it's the brown icon confusing you, great tuning patch it was
@dense elbow
hmmm
idk, i play prot so i just shockwave bump the fuckers
i beg my teammates to deal with it just like how i begged them to play keys with me
sup?
that knockback does so little damage
sil big fan
im pretty sure as a fury warrior you can stay in on like a +20
fuck you
Gala57
why
goon allowed ?
bc i only care about using the vod feature from yt
dont really care about "growing" as a streamer
Well i died twice and did 3.75m overall in ML 16 with the Loboz build lol
its not scary
i was gaming tonight guys
(stix)
Bossdamage is really high though
its basically like death note but instead of the death note and kira its just a psychopatch killer
its rly good
Are you mr 4 PIs?
epic gamer
I, too, only get PI when the regular recipient(s) are dead
do not bring stix up
WDYM HALF DEAD AND YOU GET 4 PI
GZ though
His karma for stealing my r1 heroic volcoross
to be fair, one of our priests also pis me regularly because we play together a lot
Love getting pied on the reg am I right fellas
so i had friend buff
friend buff op :^)
oh feet pic privilege, i understand, those PI are allowed
cant
cant what
im supposed to be watching one piece
i already commited
lets face it
its being finished
and pay taxes
Ww and thunder clap/blast cheek getting buff 
Still being capped for ages
wont change
stop coping
insane cope
no
I… 
Nvm game sucks 
then watch dexter
Just go the normal Slayer M+ build, less highroll AoE DPS, but more boss dam and prio target. Quite good for breaking down the big robots and what not.
I recommend loboz build for fun factor, tho 
the other days
funky stop propagand ww buff for prot, if it hits prot, we press it as colossus
theres no way pressing ww is better than revenge
I think you can take OF instead of 1 in VC/DE and gain some aoe at the cost of a similar amount of ST
Colosussy
no but is better than tc as col prot
^
It is kinda a wash atm for M+, a minor loss. But don't underestimate how much damage you lose from not having VC, thanks to unhinged and AM it really slaps slayer in the mouth when it comes to value 
because you can
no but why would you ever click ww over revenge unless ur holding a 2h
Gio a 180!
wgat am i missing
lol
not even 360, get good
Funkykitty i played the loboz build for fun
It really is, AM Slayer always been fun
biggest lie imaginable
well, AM exe slayer
One more BS 30% buff btw, and it is just as strong (profile wise) as it was in season 1!
Only one more buff!!!
Is it the same as funky’s?
the "hypothetical buff" is 100-120%
Give me that 120% WW buff, and my 2hand pwarrior is going in again
I presume the blast/TC buff will overlap from arms to prot as well 
2h prot will be stronger than ever!
Wtf 2h prot
We love VC

Is loboz’s build the same as ur OF build?
Hm? Yes and no, we both play that build, I just more often use another one instead.
bro looks DEVIOUS
Tho, you kinda dont want to use our builds, we kinda play how we want, performance be damned

i made a tiny short improvement presentation for another fury warr
Real talk if you're playing fury in keys that aren't TOP, you're past the point of trying to optimize your gameplay 
Or your spec decisions at least
Share with the class
the last page was this:
no sir
"fury warrior is more than pressing procs"... what procs?
We aint Lock'n'load huntardinos
@edgy widget I feel so defeated... on LFR OAB
We dont press exe
Thunder blast 
get out of here
Get ooooouta here
finally !

Gz! :D
thank you !!
ashen jugg
sd fall off
2 stacks sd
3 stacks mfe
less stacks mfe if it enables bladestorm
thats 5 conditions
get ooooooooout'aaaaaah heeeeeeeeeere
I simmed last stacks mfe if it enables bladestorm a while back and it was omega fake
My conditional:

mug prog 😦 we are killing adds and im in the add kill
Nah, I deny that on principle, cause exe bad and this is known.
the reason i made that statement meme is because we specifically do NOT press execute whenever it procs
we press it in specific moments
thats why its more than just pressing procs asap
yo fellow prison bitch whassuuup
play arms on mugzee to extend jugg for exephase
hi i have a question about wowa
what's up
is there functionality to shwo where i made bad globals
Yes
yo me too mate
ayeeeee
grats
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
wp wp
GFGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
meh, gz, I guess..
hey hey i tanked ok
i was doing good ok
as prot
ok

funky day it is, i kill mug and couple gallys
ic
your prog
slayer felt pretty good on bandit
Correct but note that the tooltips for arms are auto-generated based on the APL conditions, which are kind of scuffed, so you get stuff like this https://wowanalyzer.com/report/MmtTGN1fdBFQC7cz/54-Mythic+Sprocketmonger+Lockenstock+-+Kill+(5:27)/Giofiveseven/standard/timeline
Also note that the SD buff duration bug is still a thing because I haven't had time to fix it yet
hows it goin
but stuff like this the tooltips are pretty straightforward
does your wcl page is weird bc prot ?
wym?
You mean this one? Slam is higher prio than non-conditional exe but it's like a 0.2% diff
like mine (since i started to dps on bandit), everything was prot
whats weird here ?
Add a normalizer for SD buff events
i have no idea what ur talking about french warr
am i a tank or a dps
?
doesnt matter
i dont
what?
what are u talking about brother
elaborate
Figure out what the fuck is wrong with the SD buff events (probably also need to figure out where the AplCheck logic happens so you can add breakpoints/logs to it and find what the actual logic error is)
it annoys me a lil bit that i'm not the same spec on my main page of wcl
highest parse is shown iirc
so u must suck as prot
no i suck as fury
it's just we needed a monk buff but only a brew is tagging so we will lose 500k dps on Happy
@smoky vale I worked around this in the fury module because the logic is applied differently so I'm able to directly listen for the buff events and keep track of a separate buff timestamp rather than the built-in hasBuff() check, but the arms AplCheck can't do that because of the way that it is 🙂 https://github.com/WoWAnalyzer/WoWAnalyzer/blob/the-war-within/src/analysis/retail/warrior/fury/modules/spells/SlayerExecute.tsx#L113-L125
ill check the fury one to see how you did it
is BT prio over RB?
in how many targets
aware
i think its over 5 else rb
me hwne i have never worked with an actual project and only doen small programs for school

Im new, so ST rb 5+ bt?
it's like close to neutral at 2 targets
not to bad for a first gally kill
how about execute is it prio over bt or rb?
Thane basically only ever presses exe if it literally has no other buttons to press
For slayer it's more complicated
wym
Execute for slayer is sometimes very high prio and sometimes very low prio - this should answer most of your questions https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps
stop calling yourself by your name, your name is french warrior
Je suis gnome
erm i meant warrior
Both specs basically have a collection of discrete checks (e.g. SlayerExecute.tsx for fury, Demolish.tsx for arms), but arms ALSO has AplCheck.tsx which is what populates the rotation section at the top of the overview (fury does not)
cd up a couple folders in fury tho
is it bc fury is just press rampage
UHM ACKCHUALLY fury is NOT just press rampage, as is seen in MissedRampage.tsx https://github.com/WoWAnalyzer/WoWAnalyzer/blob/the-war-within/src/analysis/retail/warrior/fury/modules/spells/MissedRampage.tsx
how many hrs do u raid per week
ty
we have 2 warriors and i told him ill take his prisions as long he gets top dps lol
So with the upcoming Odyn’s Fury buff are we going to start taking it in keys again finally?
if you dont think its nto just press ramapge
im going to scream
they killed ra
im taking it, i dont care
Not if you didn't already
i think my bigger issue with lobez's spec re: slayer
fierce followthrough gains bigger value when you can actually build crit via the talent
?
long breaks and starting late n shit
You can become Loboz thane
sweeping execute y not
hold only if its 5sec or less
if hes living most of the CS time
you also forgot the yappage
if you're able to CS with enemy hp 20% of below u get 10% bonus haste
use that to ur advantage
true
with sweeping ofc*
wait does IFTK scale with massacre?
bis scenario is BS before add flys in
I thought it was always 35%
no
also how does iftk work in aoe
or its only based on the primary target
then how does aoe cs work
nonono you can for sure CS mugzee when add is 30% hp and get 20% haste
i did that many times
and checked number
makes sense because thats how warbreaker works I always just CS the add tho
@sullen dove why do u have wrecking on mugzee
free dmg when your outta range
you don't need stuns etc
and it's a better ww/slam i guess (does it have min range like charge?)
you can wrecking in melee
It gens no rage tho
It can't crit either 
bro
eh thats mad weird
only like
idk
5% movespeed maybe
but who care
wreck 
Big dam
its not a big deal its like whatever same thing is taking stormbolt for doing it in BS
Wreck do feel good 👍
check what i wrote in ur twitch chat swordish
no but if it's only 1 sec gcd lock (choose slam or wrecking), i don't think you lose if you wreck
about tank positioning
Swordish noob
How many pulls did Gally take ya’ll that killed it this week?
Hello close enougher
Neither does slam
Ewww slam
Yo
Just ww like a sane person, or better yet, use OF
Slam better than ww in single target without imp ww
But also you might as well press nothing
I'm p sure it's like a 0.1% difference to literally just afk for a global instead
Who doesn't being imp ww for m+, smh
Who presses ww in M+ 
thunderclap is also getting a buff
Slayer god x over here
Yep, big gains for Thane, Cranky 
Funky was playing AM slayer in keys before it was cool, the TC buff means n o t h i n g
I’m gonna do it next time I go into a dungeon just once randomly
Do you not have a macro to replace ww with tc when you're thane?
That's crazy work
i actually saw someone click ww 4x in a row on rik reverb mythic
theres 2 things wrong there
I’m not gonna make useless macros
one they hit WW 4 times in a row, second is they clicked
Bro playing MBG?
Why have two buttons when you can have one button
It’s still 1 button
not just once, bro clicked that ww 4x sequence every time adds spawned
I swap my talent loadout and the ability changes
i mean once you get the hotbar set up and the spec saved, it doesn't really need a macro since it should auto switch to the hotbar with each skill on it
Ya ppl saying pressing ww is bad... As if ya ain't spamming that button all the time while idling
WW is #1 ability in clearing old content
A buyer or?
i spam idle ww while in thane spec
thats the real shit
i just find it funny they have to buff WW's damage by more than double
That goes hard AF
I am trying so hard to justify it, I will put that on a back burner for later
i need to check on mug how much i would gain if i bind slam
ww is better if you have imp ww specced bc it generates rage
even on 1 target
I just recrafted my stuff for Arms in M+, which must be why they're buffing my beloved Thanefury D:
Bro just take ww off your bar tc does the same shit
i didn't have imp ww on mug, that's why im looking
Bs roar
yeah you go full st like in hc
i did a single ww
yo archi do you think loboz build will outperform current m+ slayer build yall have recommended?
you can they just don't stay up long enough
idk what that is
o
i don't even bs adds
its the cursed build
I mean I just have a macro that does TC/WW/slam based on what talents I have specced so I don't need to bind anything else /shrug
M+ Thane is cooler
if you're asking "will Odyn's Fury be worth using next week" the answer is yeah maybe, but not by a big margin
its kinda fucked how much good talent nodes we lose for odyn tho
no, that's pretty cursed
all 2 execute nodes

loboz gaps most of skyhold anywyas
its the german efficiency
loboz build comes with loboz stats
causation =! causality
well ofc
man he loves haste
I raided with loboz
And bros been schizoing hard since islands stopped being a thing
he's holding that bt permanently praying for those reap procs
we always knew that
thats the entire point of his build
BT spam and Execute in between
RB as filler
what a gambler we love it
670, i think it's just consumables
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/d1V8AacbXnLk4CHP?fight=2&type=summary&source=82
So much crit
yes he didn't craft his current ring on the 15
and he plays with the boe neck ofc
since he is in top guild world
it goes without saying that it will be better next week
i do like 3m with my 650 arcane what is that wtf
but that gap between roar and odyns
it was a godawful run tbf i would've done a lot more if it was a time
since, you know
it is per second
Roar, OF, BT spin, BT
Pray for reaps
Why bring new TT, then you don't have avatar for every BS 
Why would you want to amp BS after all, kinda does low dam 
Bloodmallet shows this graph for trinkets for Fury. Sim says Reverb beats Lock 'n Stock by a fair bit. Any thoughts?
Sim your own character
I did
Meh dragonflight fury was so fun
I actually enjoy TWW Fury, tuning just ain't there
What do you dislike in particular?
We just need to be uncap on Aoe to be on par with other classes T_T
Then don't use it? Target caps always been there
Not this bad
Cause tuning
Cause softcapping 5 targets
Also no odyn's
Cuz its just super bad
Double odyn's burst was fun
But nooo you do too much damage on stupid raid
On one boss
bs does close to my sprocket trinket, idk if i did "hold more than 10 sec" it wouldn't be the case, but i think i just lose overall dps by holding
When do you think was fury less fun then now ?
I simmed holding BS vs not a while back (before the BS buff) and it was like 0.4% or something
@uneven path i said fury was more fun before than now
Fury this season is just sad
I like that AM is back don't get me wrong, but... I just find it so lacking
Yeh I agree fury isn't really fun now, just wonder if and when it was worse.
oh yeah i didn't thought to hold bs for CDs, i thought to hold CD for bs, im so dumb
@uneven path i don't think it's ever been worse, that's what i meant
Oh
Its always been more competitive than it is now
Now it is at like bottom 3 specs in the game lol
For M+
Well, I play fury circa since legion, and this is first time I cancelled my sub.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dHDf8BMB9Rd9KCUPcMVRPg -0.4% to just send BS on cd
Yeh watching tank out dps you on pack that have more then like 8 mobs feels so bad.
With the buffs, we basically just 5% gap, instead of 10%
That will help a lot. We also do good ST on top of this.
So it ain't all bad, doom and gloom. 1 more set of buffs like this, and we in a good spot
Now fury does not feel bad to play, but the damage is so bad
That "good" ST is no longer nothing special at all which is a problem
I wish we even had that, but nope. We don't.
Not in M+ with the M+ build
idk feels like the ST is just insane cope at this point.
While I agree it ain't carrying anything, it is still strong. I usually lead ST by 200-500k
With the 5% buff we’re def locked in as the arcane mage of melee. 
High prio dmg and boss dmg. Not the best high aoe
Dream on
I guess depends on the boss, and pulls to the boss.
Well that’s why you run with a rogue lol
Rogue will do more DPS, but we are sadly balanced around battle shout potential
Add it, and with this buff, we are a net gain
Battleshout 
thx, i verified how many sec on the apl, i will try next raid 👍
how can I track if theres any adds remaining for Multitudes?:
I actually have found pretty good purpose in keys. Nuking problem mobs and having top dog boss dmg is a good role to play. Doesn’t feel great to see the overall charts but it times keys
Especially with the phys comp. It feels pretty good
And may i ask what keylevels are you playing?
16s 
1 from resil 16’s @wicked beacon
like, do you just wing it and go to alleria when you think everythings dead or is there a way to know
Ran my own keys. Then as I got higher I sniped out mistweavers queueing their keys. They take me a lot
Nobody invites me ever and playing my own key no matter what, every applicant i wonder how they even manage to breathe oxygen
Additional of resilience made people more apt to try physical comp I think. Been kinda nice actually
aight we are on scheduled M+ non-meta crying ill ask my visions thingy later
Just focus on what we do, not what we dont. Then it ain't all bad. We are only one more round of buffs away from balanced
Matters a lot more in higher keys than lower keys tbh
Thing is... Arms does it better
It isn't far off
True but I think in lower keys you can just become the pinnacle of good interrupts, stuns, and prio add focus and just force your team to
Time
Nahhhh fury prio damage is nutty not kidding
Fury prio damage is not bad by any means
Just... Arms isn't that far behind and yet does much better overall
fury prio is like top 3 in the game unc
Arms is just so godawful to play
Vs arcsne and mm?
arms is quite mid prio
Our prio dam is not 'nutty', it is solid. We are far from Arcane or Elemental levels of funnel prio dam.
Our ST is fine
Arms still better in most cases, I agree with you there
But lets not act like anyone is taking an arms warrior for their prio dam
Well I typically run with MM . But sure arcane beats us. But phys damage comps aren’t gonna wanna bring arcane
Let's not act like anyone is taking a warrior for their damage at all
real
Like i said, we’re the arcane of melee 😄
Think that's sin rogue unfort
Fun fact, we are tho. Cause of shout.
NEVER EVER put us in alignment with mages
we are nowhere close to being the arcane of melee
disgusting
I ran with a (granted not a 3800 mage or anything) arcane friend in a 16 floodgate and I kid you not we had the same dmg profile on each pack and boss the entire dungeon
they burst like 15 million dps on their prio target
I swear to god nobody knows the difference between prio and funnel lmao
Well I didn’t say we do same dmg as arcane I’m saying we do the same like damage profile
cuz funnel like barely exists
Prio target dmg and boss dmg
look at an arcane mage's boss damage on the bee boss in cinderbrew
We are the drunk cusin of arcane mage
And made a comparison to a lower skill arcane mage I know
yea by barely i mean like 1-2 specs in the game
oh like that
We don’t do the same dmg profile as arcane
Frank the tank
don't forget we are 42% blue
Arcane is funnel, we aren’t
Meh, just start to go Slayer in keys. Embrace minmax prio dam
Reminds me, you at 17-18s now?
I don’t know what the fury numbers are for that boss on that type of key sadly
DAMN
I’d have to look at the noxiv logs I think
Funnel is the most fun dmg profile imo
17
Pumpinnnn
2mil or something
not even close to arcane 😭
Sounds about right. I was thinking 2.2 or 2.3
Yea I get that. I mean all the numbers show arcane has more raw output than us by far. I’m moreso saying that we do the same type of thing. Nuke prio adds and bosses. Not saying at their same level, just in a similar way
calling us nuke is a strong word
sad 
but the point is arcane does "more" damage to the prio target by the existance of other targets around it
name change to french warr pls
and we do the same amount regardless of whats around
yo lads are you guys planning on playing legion remix?
Than thane
it it gives me legion mounts i dont have o yea
Good thing it is m+, as such things are around 
Also remember to add 5% od hunter, druid and rogue to that dam 
Warrior is ok ST value in the comp
no
nop
no dancing around it just a flat statement
🤷
dh dps is arcane mage of melee
If we had funnel, I would agree. But we dont
Is funnel nuking 1 single mob?
no funnel is doing more dps to a single target if there are adds around
ah i see
Funnel is nuking a single mob indirectly
sorry i've never played arcane so i just go off what i see on meters in my runs that's all
don't know much about it haha
like say there's just 1 mob you do 2mil dps to it, but if there are 5 adds around you do 2.5mil dps to that single mob
The buff is cheap no ?
5% is 5%
u are cheap
a good example would be shaman where having more targets to flame shock means more lava burst procs
yea that makes sense
is odyns fury usable on the 27th? anyone did maths?
i take the buffs, and i'll play OF next week with a big smile
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=442806/wounded-quarry
That's what makes DH funnel strong rn to my understanding
It's just the easiest way to explain our worth in keys I feel. Since being at the bottom isn't the most encouraging thing as far as people picking you up in a pug lmaooo
but nah i get y'alls point
Write support with ap
Not loading for me I cri
It gone from a pure DPS loss, to a meh DPS loss.
fury buff?
yo lads quick question how was MOP arms/fury?
fury buff.
small number increase nothing major changed
Updates channel said it's a 1.5% ST loss but a 1-1.5% multi gain
Might be okay in dungos again
i'm gonna play MoP but so few friends are hyped
5% buff on the m+ build feels pretty good tbh !
did somebody say fury buffs ? 
Slayer got the short end of the stick tho, Thane got a bigger lead 
Hope they fix that
next season little one next season
More reap dmg!!
Plz no
well the last buffs felt like hardly anything cause they were bringing the lower hero talent build up to par. It feels nice that this one will actually hit the primary build and feel like a full on buff to the legit fury dmg
Stupid RNG piece of shit reap
Incidental buff to arms
Slayer just got buffed 2 seconds ago lol
(although last buff did buff raid a bit)
raid isn't where we struggle though so I couldn't care less about buffs there
hey if they soft cap meatcleaver eventually with enough targets it will be 100% proc chance

If Thane got buffed 4-5%, and Slayer got buffed 3-4%, then Slayer got comparably weaker

True

Sure, but each spec is filling a different niche rn and might not need the same amount of buffs
And yet, it won't proc during BS and your burst doesn't happen
make unhinge cleave again
So we can work odyns into thane build again? 👀
That’s why TT funky 
I mean, sure? If you don't mind the minor dps loss
Same as it was 
OF might be more worth it in lower keys where the burst dam matters more for your overall ig idk
why blade no spin and go vroom 
I was thane for visions
I just went slayer aoe from raid
i just launched one with sword and shield lmao
yah you dont need to 3-mask for this
Did you kill all mobs or just elites?
so with this buff coming hows fury going to look
Still target capped so mild aoe buff doesn’t change anything for any dungeon not ToP
its 1 mask you just have to kill all elites
so fury still sucks and we cant play it
Playable if you try to focus on getting a physical damage comp
The 5% buff will make them a tad more competitive on the meters. Wont overtake MM or outlaw but it’ll do good
.
warrior is fine the real issue is A the community and B target capping
in horrific visions i want to track location of mail boxes and trash piles, each one of them can drop a mount, and there are at fixed location in each zone, i dont want to memorize 10 points for each run, is there any addon i can upload those coordinates and it will show on map?
yup but read a lot of ppl saying you needed 3
Yea. Community sees the meters and runs from fury sadly
I killed all mobs just in case
honestly the best thing that needs to be done. is details needs to do after dungeon calculations to show true damage
with raid buffs accounted for
warrior wouldnt look nearly as weak if that was in the game
Or show the meters for the big mobs and get rid of it for things like citizens the little goops in workshop and other worthless pad adds
make a separate overall called "Overall Damage on Notable enemies" and just take into account bosses, big elites, special casters and the 5 mobs I hit with WW cleave
I think this season is especially full of pad mobs in dungeons.
Lmao facts
you can make a custom script to check logs for specific enemies
a.k.a damage done on exploding barrels on rik 
It’s time to spam ww guys obviously
Honestly theres a world were Blizz didnt ban the WarcraftLogs damage meter
imagine rashanan with that lmao
nobody hitting adds
Tbf people would still hit them bc it changed 2-3 times
ST rasha into AoE rasha into st again
true yeah
Guild mates paid me to be ST build on that boss 
any idea if fury is going to be competing with arms with the upcoming buffs in M+ or they not big enough ?
And after he just started a phrase for ovinax and i just said NO SHOT even for 100k
nope
🫡
blizz is clueless so We're still Furover
I feel like arms was more than 5% ahead but
I could be wrong
Our problem is still target cap right?
All the aloe buffs in the world won't make up for that?
And damage....MM has a hard target cap, it cant even 2 man cleave, but it rips
They can make up for it
Just a numbers game
If only it was
wdym? it literally needs 3-8 targets
unless you gimp everything and go 2 target cleave
so with the buff to whirlwind coming, does that mean we will use whirlwind instead of slam in single target filler again?
Yes but saying it’s hard capped is a big word
HI Guys, regarding the vision head enchant. for m+ mainly, really the void ritual? Twilight devastation feels more "fun" no?
it is hard capped outside of a few abilities....the main damaging abilities are hard capped at 5 or 8 depending on talents.....I play it most days, so unless you know something I dont.....
Is explosive shot, multi shot, their hero things hard capped ?
And if it’s something is hard 8 you can tell me bc I don’t play mm anymore
Just need a talent to give ww a cooldown like arms used to have so we can have our filler do as much damage as multi shot.
Don’t compare too much ww with multi shots tho
there are tertiary spells that are root mean square capped yeah, but not trick shots into aimed or rapid fire
Bc it’s 1 ability for multi shot
Multi does not have a CD
But is amped by aimed shot thing
yes, it isn't a 1:1 comparison but ww doesn't have a cost so it can't have its damage buffed too much.
I wish my tertiary spells were half my damage in cinderbrew
my point anyway is that its a tuning issue: Fury can still do the same sorta damage from main abilities, and hey, at least it can 2 man cleave
but jon blizzard says no
Personally I would make the current second imp ww talent the base talent and make the second node into an entirely passive cleave everything all the time. So if you wanted the current game play you could have it and be up a talent point. If you wanted to cleave everything you grab the new talent.
(probably with some sort of generic damage nerf to the cleaved things)
that sounds like it would be fun yeah
I guess we need a good AoE spender rage like divine storm as ret
I loved something like odyn's fury as a rage spender so have have the choice to use rampage or OF for big AoE
With the buffs what’s the new best build for m+
dunno
wait to see
Le sigh
How much Dps% upgrade will the buffs be in M+? My math says like 2-3% overall, but im not a theorycrafter. Did anyone do the math?
Read the post again slowly
You need to give time for the theorycrafters to do their thing lol. The post just came out.
So, is Odyns back to its pre-nerf status yet?
Fury eating good lately 
ban gio
????
what
what would be the new talent build with OF?
worse unholy
I’ve been running with this build for a few weeks now. Got my 13’s done with it, and it’s very comparable to the standard build. No changes on the Mountain Thane or Class trees for this build.
Pretty sure someone smarter can take the new buffs and improve on this, though.
you could drop 2 haste points for mastery and point next to ww
Unpopular opinion, but I think this buff is wrong...
They increase the DMG instead of increasing the AOE cap, which shouldn't change our DMG profile.
Also they should already delete Odyns Fury, its not a fun button in my opinion 😄
Change my mind
@dense elbow
It’s a nice visual to see at the end of your /45 sec combo. Increasing the AoE cap for whirlwind stacks would be great, but this is definitely a boon to our burst.
Yeah, thats true, but I liked this new DMG profile.
Flat but consistent 😄
It’s still going to be flat and consistent. Just now, we have a slightly higher peak every 45 seconds.
At least it isn’t as useless as the whirlwind buff.
did you personally lose to him
Don't think so
You can’t blast less the Loboz on Gally, that’s the trick, he leaves all the fun to his guild
He is a chad
Cant believe nsky bought a boost from loboz
Loboz Spieloplatt
I got Capital Punisher yesterday very pog, can just buy BiS and Kezan now and be done
KARTENHAUS JA
loboz with that Slayer Revolution
I just realized he plays the Loboz build on cauldron
he's all about that first big load 
Damn that’s a huge D on a ST boss
ew, slow fury 🤮
powerful rage 
KAPITALBESCHLAGNAHMER!
Panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger Ausf.E (Sd.Kfz.181) Tiger I
He lost his vers flask and used one mid fight
What an odd set of buffs.
so wait, if he has no RB talents does he just not hit RB at all?
(Yes he died but at 6 min)
Wait did he pop an Alchemical Chaos there to pot?
Is that what I'm seeing
Oh god
gamble BT for DA REAP

Least scuffed fury gameplay
hoping for fury to be somewhat good from now on. i just get sad messing up constantly playing arms with the severe punishment you get from it
If you wanted the goat opener btw
For the main rotation, he just press BT on cd and rb as filler and ww as filler of the filler
wir suchen dich!
Aren't we supposed to press BT only with 85%+ crit chance on it ? Or i missed a patch or two? xD
It is someone log we are looking
Atypical warrior
he had to die
He raid leads, that’s why
OFC HE BOUGHt THeSE
that's crazy
I mean we do full 8/8 sales so I get but some of the buyers are hilarious
with patch coming are we going to play OF again ?
it's a maybe
I'd say on rik and sprocket possibly
maybe even gally
depends on how good your guild is at padding
you mean stix, but i gotchu
yeah I meant stix

