#fury
gaunt moat
gloomy hound
lol, well like wowanalyzer says i have no major issues, i used a builder 5 times instead of rampage but that's like, just an issue of me getting used to new fury a bit
arctic salmon
yea ill never hit my legion parses again, as soon as my hair started falling out so did my gamer juice
wowanalyzer is also a meme
echo rapids
It’s ok for spotting some egregious stuff like having cooldowns up and not used
smoky vale
i feel like thats cope
arctic salmon
the baldness or the wowanlyzer?
smoky vale
wowa
smoky vale
the only cases its bad is more than 1 target
otherwise its pretty accurate for st
i vod review my globals and have wowa on the side i get same critique
echo rapids
The only real single target issue is that it doesn’t know about fight mechanics
So like if adds are about to spawn and you are sitting on abilities it won’t know
tepid cedar
Parsing is fun. Feels good. But just keep focusing on playing perfectly and doing mechanics and seeing when and where you can shave time and do “riskier” things to increase uptime. Parsing is amazing but a lot has to do with your kill time and guild . Vexie for examples. If you guild is destroying the boss. You will kill in first dps phase or pretty close to it. Where you can be at 4.9-5 mill dps.
Can also get in bad pugs that do mechs and you can go ham as well
summer quail
yea ill never hit my legion parses again, as soon as my hair started falling out...
see that is the problem. you had the power in your hair, so you could lose it. my hair held back my power, only gotten better since i started losing it
summer quail
wonder if that means if i get a hairtransplant i will get worse? it has to right
arctic salmon
nah because the hair that stays isnt the hair that was holding you back
summer quail
ye trutru
edgy widget
yea ill never hit my legion parses again, as soon as my hair started falling out...
ok samson
arctic salmon
they were phenomenal locks until they werent
plush maple
Yes, Press more bloodthirsts in AoE situations for RNG sweetness
winter shoal
lol, well like wowanalyzer says i have no major issues, i used a builder 5 times...
Worth noting that wowa in its current state doesn't necessarily check that you ARE doing things right, so much as it checks that you ARE NOT doing things wrong
Checking that you are doing things right is a much much much more complicated process
Unlike an addon which can use the game API to check things in real time, it has to look at log files which may or may not have the necessary information in the correct format
There's a LOT of jank going on under the hood of the game that is largely irrelevant for gameplay, but very relevant when looking at, for example, when and how buff events are updated
(Someone please help me maintain this monstrosity)
dense elbow
... No, I dont think anyone will.
winter shoal
Based and probably true
It's not actually that bad from the wowa side
It's the blizzard/log side that sucks 
smoky vale
wowa works good
i put a vod
see the numbers of bad globals i did
find them
think about them
then move on to next fight with mistakes in mind
🙂
remote bobcat
yo @winter shoal i just checked someones log with wowa and wowa just didnt even mention opportunist as arms? is there a known bug?
remote bobcat
ya
remote bobcat
slayer opport
smoky vale
link
remote bobcat
remote bobcat
ah in the depths of hell of rotation efficiency
mb mb
i thought it was its own line
smoky vale
nah
remote bobcat
the dmg gained from amping MS inherently also reduced by pressing MS amping abilities such as overpower
so it cancels out kinda
but it should be close
winter shoal
ah in the depths of hell of rotation efficiency
I'm like 99% sure there are bugs with that btw but that part is even more of a pain in the ass to debug and I haven't had time
I'm p sure it tracks SD wrong tho by default for arms
smoky vale
yeah that thing
remote bobcat
I'm p sure it tracks SD wrong tho by default for arms
very swag
smoky vale
hates sd
winter shoal
why is it not better to amp the ms after bs
That's a fishy/walhe question, I just copy the APL
smoky vale
winter shoal
very swag
It has to do with going from 2->1 stacks being tracked weirdly in the log events I think. I manually fixed it for fury, but the existing arms stuff uses a different method of checking the APL that can't have the same fix applied for reasons
remote bobcat
oh that reminds me i wanted to ask you
does wowa consider the opportunist delay
in any way
smoky vale
just play with the wa
remote bobcat
yea the .5 seconds or whatever it was
remote bobcat
Well my thinking is that wowa might say ur inefficient cuz u got overpower reset, but you as the player didnt get the opportunist buff yet
winter shoal
I'm almost certain the buff event in the log will be 0.5s after the tactician proc, yes. BUT the buff will still be present by the time your next cast event happens, so it kinda doesn't matter
remote bobcat
fair fair
winter shoal
If you're missing opp procs because of the buff delay that's a skill issue on your part
And wowa would correctly flag the non-OP cast is inefficient
remote bobcat
im ngl i miss opport procs in execute phase all the time
due to lag
15fps gaming
i have to play with a big buffer
smoky vale
even with the weakaura
winter shoal
Sounds like you need to send elvui to the shadow realm
smoky vale
or details
remote bobcat
i do
remote bobcat
i got details at 3 second update
remote bobcat
i aint nuking it
i already nuked player names
and i nuked spell effects
i dont see healing cds anymore lol
like shaman totem
smoky vale
this is what i see
remote bobcat
what was that very lag free UI people switched to?
winter shoal
Do you have friendly nameplates on?
winter shoal
anyone know what the addon showing raid cds is
Mrt innit
remote bobcat
this is what i see
either MRT or omnicd
smoky vale
me when i had aui then disabled a lot of it
remote bobcat
crazy
smoky vale
looking at my ep and opportunist wa's
remote bobcat
real
smoky vale
kinda just pressing w
remote bobcat
"yeah we have infinite damage so let's just ignore strategy in p2"
chilly fractal
I respect that
smoky vale
how far did they get bob
modest rampart
Hi how hard am I trolling by playing fury over arms in m+?
chilly fractal
not trolling at all
modest rampart
I’d like to play it higher than 15’s :x
plush maple
Hi how hard am I trolling by playing fury over arms in m+?
I'd strongly affirm no trolling at all
modest rampart
Okay I’m just scared to
Start crafting everything for fury instead of arms 😭
sour frigate
how far did they get bob
deez
remote bobcat
Okay I’m just scared to
Start crafting everything for fury instead of arms 😭
fury can play. you're just not making the key easier playing fury. arms is capable of executing big pulls and arms is less scared of the stun DR due to shockwave being a knockup for arms
the reality is that fury isnt bad, it's just not good either
sour frigate
english speaking guild?
no
modest rampart
fury can play. you're just not making the key easier playing fury. arms is capab...
I see
remote bobcat
you're effectively decreasing the pool of good players by playing in a non-english guild
remote bobcat
hi swordish
sullen dove
non english speakers are just worse in the game or somethin?
sour frigate
high key its some weird trolling
remote bobcat
non english speakers are just worse in the game or somethin?
nah the skill is equal, there's just less non-english speakers than english speakers
so there are less good guilds
in other languages
sour frigate
therefore
sullen dove
its a bad guild that happens to speak a different language
sour frigate
more english gamers = more bad english gamers
remote bobcat
therefore
sullen dove
my guild speaks english and we're still dogwater
smoky vale
remote bobcat
yea theres more good guilds, more bad guilds and more decent guilds also
there's just more guilds
so by trialing english speaking guilds, you end up with more prospects
sullen dove
i mean it doesnt really matter no
smoky vale
guys its time to attack nerubar palace
sullen dove
you have 900 english guilds and 100 other guilds, say half are terrible in each, sure theres "more good ones" in english but proportionally just as many terrible ones in english too
just kinda like whats the point of talkin bout da languages
remote bobcat
More options by not limiting yourself
sour frigate
well i just thought this raid is a joke looking on how much peeps getting CE now
sullen dove
if everyone speaks the second language so wha
smoky vale
which playlist
sullen dove
yea i mean feel like it kinda is
remote bobcat
which playlist
sov
sullen dove
prolly the most power by the end of a tier compared to the start than in any raid tier
sour frigate
which playlist
this
summer quail
which playlist
secret playlist nr 3
remote bobcat
well i just thought this raid is a joke looking on how much peeps getting CE now
it is a joke but you do definitely need to learn fights regardless, esp OAB
smoky vale
secret playlist nr 3
i got more than 2 playlists bud
summer quail
i got more than 2 playlists bud
heres 2
remote bobcat
boy im blasting ginseng strip 2002
modest hollow
I got Signet of the priory and Remenant of darkness
which do i replace with house of cards?
remote bobcat
which do i replace with house of cards?
robot has ur answer
summer quail
@smoky vale this one. nujabes owns
summer quail
oh for strim. ye idk then
charred flint
after weaps and trinkets
smoky vale
helmet > chest > legs wtv
summer quail
gio just put the clair obscur playlist on. it's not dmca
tepid cedar
If I could only get a fkn myth helmet……..
winter shoal
Doesn't one drop off vexie
remote bobcat
yea
tepid cedar
Haven’t seen 1 yet
smoky vale
(my warrior has full myth besides 3 crafted)
remote bobcat
(my warrior has full myth besides 3 crafted)
tepid cedar
My vaults were bangers first 3 weeks of season. Myth weapon. Pace and and mechano. Since then it’s been ugly af lol
This week was half a spark 😂😂
Too me this the biggest surprise. This is replacing a 671 drink. That trinket is pretty damn goated
modest hollow
what should i buy? Jastor diamond or Eye of khesan?
ornate gust
Jastor 110%
silk wharf
Kezan can and does heal with its proc in practical scenarios. In my opinion in all but the longest fights it's kinda mid.
wary grove
Is there an easy way of Simming Lining Embellishments vs Ascendance?
silk wharf
Yea, just top gear em and remember to give options of gear setups that allow for the embellishment swapping.
rigid stirrup
just did 16 workshop as fury, lowest overall but was top on boss dam so thats something ig
didnt know how bad target cap felt in higher keys till now
same key but w arms
flat river
i miss legion 
rigid stirrup
So heroic Gallywxix ring or myth pacemaker
ring
plush maple
Just wait for Legion classic
rigid stirrup
with LIMITLESS M+
winter shoal
So heroic Gallywxix ring or myth pacemaker
Depends what sims say and what you realistically have access to
Hc jastor is 0.1% dps for me
Spending a dinar on that would be silly
eager thorn
are a lot of other ppl still rocking cyrces? its beating 681 crafted ring for me still 
frank dawn
cyrce's still sims highest for me, barely, but still does
Legendary Skipper is also like .1% ahead for me usually so the bonus effects from that are kind of cool too
frank dawn
yeh I don't care lol
stuck spindle
how should I sim bandit mythic? trying to figure out what trink setup is best for me (we dont do the fixated add tactic, they only spawn at p2)
young swan
just use m+ trinkets
eager thorn
Bro I’m not eager to change it
i dont massively care but i want ilvl number big not small
eager thorn
yea it was definitely a good engagement tactic from them
get ur dedicated playerbase to do 20 keys in 3 days to max ilvl xd
south kayak
It worked lol
eager thorn
yea fr
i've been logging in on monday to do 8 weeklies then log out till raid but its actually got me playing
south kayak
I think they keep putting out more patches in between seasons to keep engagement
And it is working tbh
The .5 or 7 patches
Mostly for casual players
And players playing alts
But this one is for the more “hardcore” players
I wonder if they’ll keep this evergreen now
frank dawn
I’ve done the most keys ever in this week
weekly key numbers gonna be off the charts this week lmao
tepid cedar
i've been logging in on monday to do 8 weeklies then log out till raid but its a...
lol I maxed out in 1 day. Now nothing to do. Should’ve slowed down. I can’t wait for the helm enchant this week
sly crane
sparks should have been uncapped too
whole yacht
lol I maxed out in 1 day. Now nothing to do. Should’ve slowed down. I can’t w...
helm enchant?
tepid cedar
Yep
tepid cedar
Go sim greater void ritual
whole yacht
oh
tepid cedar
Enjoy you 60k st and like 150k mt 😂
tepid cedar
My st sim with it 😂😂 gona be funnnn
whole yacht
i like lock n stalk, but like, pacemaker is just better for aoe right?
and ill have pacemaker HoC for keys if i get it
tepid cedar
Run pace and lock
Yea pace and HoC
And to be honest with you try to get a drink
Pace and drink even better for dungeons
whole yacht
brother that shit has never before been seen by me.
tepid cedar
However in keys your constantly proccin it
whole yacht
ah the warrior pug life
whole yacht
However in keys your constantly proccin it
ill look into it.
eager thorn
I haven’t seen a hero pace or drink
tepid cedar
Damn it’s starting to get like that!?! On my grind I was getting invited like I was a meta dk in high keys
tepid cedar
To be honest with you. I would even sim the drink+hog or drink and HoC as well as pace
Ahh fuck nm
It’s delve bit m+ I forgot
They should’ve added delves to dinars as well such a shit system rng keeping those items from ppl
whole yacht
lol dude
i still havent even seen mechano core
not a single time
not even a shitty version
tepid cedar
I had so many shit weeks in the vault. And one week I got a mechano then ran the delv for a map used it and got hero drink at the end.
Haven’t seen shit since
whole yacht
damn
sullen dove
it shouldnt
but why r u usin a crit haste ring on fury
do u got like 80% mast on other pieces
sinful spoke
im ngl to u i simmed my myth track and crafted ring
thats the only mytht rack ring i got so far
sullen dove
idk if its the having heroic jastor angle but vers/mast ring did kinda pummel circlet
also r u still using skipper it looks like
think that gem is bad
unless that is the windsinger or whatever one it is
sinful spoke
i simmed it and it said skipper was better
sinful spoke
hero jastor is a 74k dps increase as fury
sullen dove
sinful spoke
and a 15k as arms
modest condor
vers/mastery crafted ring was 0.3% better than cirlet for me
feral ivy
OAB whats the name of the ability that puts the puddle on ppl? (im not on atm)
rocky locust
Do you think it's "worth it" to farm delves for a Hero-track Mechano-Core Amplifier? I know that answer will always be "it depends". But I want to know what you think. Remember, I'm asking for your opinion.
modest condor
well you cant farm hero track delve items so no
you only get 2 chances, once from the map and once from the vault
sullen tendon
wtf is the point of this choice node
use 2 less powerful bladestorms on first pull of a dungeon or boss and then just have a 30% weaker bladestorm for the entire rest
modest condor
yeah that's why it has never been used since its creation
frank dawn
we can't understand blizzards greatness
sullen tendon
also insane that frenzy still falls off if you ever switch targets
sullen tendon
682.50 as arms 680.81 as fury
why do you look like that
you look like a blood elf if itwas tossed through an ai
sinful spoke
why do you LOOK like that
sullen tendon
ive genuinely never seen a model like that before
wait
is taht an evoker
dracthyr
sinful spoke
is taht an evoker
it says warrior idk what makes u think evoker
sullen tendon
that is not a belf
cosmic sundial
sinful spoke
feral ivy
honest question no flame to range but what are they dying from on mythic OAB? they can see flame way before meele and coins are easy to see for everyone.. just wondering no flame
sinful spoke
i think u should play range and find out
feral ivy
eww no
sinful spoke
then ur question will be left unanswered
undone flower
They die from the flame debuff damage, the coin circle when it lands, or flame tornados
mild ravine
My brothers
even though I always press BT when the aura tells me to, my RB is still above BT, i dont understand
young swan
yes u do not care conditionals in aoe
covert blaze
hello xantaga from skyhold
smoky vale
hello zhai from skyhold
sullen tendon
is it ok to play single minded fury in keys even if people wil lget mad halfway through the key when the ysee you doing shit damage
young swan
entirely personal decision
undone flower
And sure if a warrior on an alt understand why you do no damage, you will be mocked and spanked
rocky locust
you only get 2 chances, once from the map and once from the vault
Wouldn't it be 4 chances? 1 from the map and 3 from the Vault?
mild ravine
yes u do not care conditionals in aoe
so I jsut use it on cd for aoe?
young swan
yeah pretty much
mild ravine
ty, will try taht out
next jacinth
I was called a liability for being a warrior 🤣
mild ravine
we kinda are
fiery edge
modest condor
real
fiery edge
#updates-midnight this for sure gonna pop up on next update
sinful spoke
huh
fiery edge
is this your secret sauce? 
hearty drum
in M+ are you guys like
pressing rampage to refresh
or pressing rampage on cd even if there's like
3s on enrage
sinful spoke
how the fuck do u know zuby
fiery edge
no rampage? 
sinful spoke
ive known that little rat for like 8yrs now
sinful spoke
wtf
sinful spoke
thats exactly what he said
thick fossil
pressing rampage to refresh
To answer your question, with AM talent you send on cooldown. Couple caveats, meat cleaver is up in multi-target, or if you're running slayer it depends.
sullen tendon
but it sucks to play
thick fossil
Arms is pretty fun as well.
thick fossil
Unless you have a skittish tank. Then it's miserable.
fiery edge
but rampage
sinful spoke
idek what skittish means bro
thick fossil
idek what skittish means bro
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excitable
olive wraith
it has a singular button that feels good to press
Idk I like cleaving
It’s kinda nice having an aoe button you can spam for real dmg
thick fossil
So they move around and screw over your demolish.
Cleave, Demolish, and collateral tracking is pretty good. The jank of cool downs all over the place, SS 1/2 gcd is just as jank.
young swan
cleave lacks impact
sinful spoke
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the fact u posted tihs thinking ill read it
i m a warrior
i press 1234 really fast
i dont read
undone flower
i press 1234 really fast
Too many buttons
undone flower
Pls don’t insult me, saying execute is a button
undone flower
But I think it’s 3 buttons for fury ST
BT/ RB Rampage
(I don’t have slam keybinded as fury, I just press ww as filler btw)
sinful spoke
Pretty sure thats a dps loss
undone flower
It is
Not worth a keybind for me, since I mostly press fillers when I’m out of range
And ww is the only one I can hit my target out of melee
sinful spoke
Just use the ww/slam macro
runic pilot
Can someone help point me towards the warrior sim? I have a feeling im dumb but i cant find it here on on google
sinful spoke
It uses slam if not talented into ww
sinful spoke
Can someone help point me towards the warrior sim? I have a feeling im dumb but ...
Which sim like for bis gear?
runic pilot
Which sim like for bis gear?
yeah so i can sim upgrades and stuff
sinful spoke
Ah no thats diff
U get ur own sim string in game
If u have the addon
You do /simc
Copy the string and then go to the website
You should watch videos on youtube for it
undone flower
It uses slam if not talented into ww
So I couldn’t use ww when I’m out of range with the macro, I’m fine on how I do, I don’t advice ppl doing like me bc it’s obviously a dps loss
sinful spoke
I think i remember critcake had a good one
sinful spoke
So I couldn’t use ww when I’m out of range with the macro, I’m fine on how I do,...
Understandable
Back in df i ran roar instead of spear cause i hated spear
undone flower
I’ll try on mug to replace ww with slam in two days to see, it’s been a while I didn’t press it
past lava
hey, am I missing smth? Simmed Jastor, Circe's and Footbomb
Everyone calling Jastor OP (even as Hero), is the sim not counting the equip bonus? Fyi: only doing M+, so never even thought about the ring until now.
compact knot
hey, am I missing smth? Simmed Jastor, Circe's and Footbomb
can you send the link here rq
i literally cannot tell what im looking at
compact knot
tyty
i wouldnt do a 1:30 sim in your aoe spec
if mostly m+ id do 5t 5m, or 5t 1m
here ill try it
5m 5t (sustained m+ dps sim) https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gyjjoVRr6rrqh76bXUAAuV
1m 5t (bursty m+ dps sim)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jEaBrLLKB3x6w1juxxRPiP
3m 1t (normal m+ boss length at higher keys)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6mXkkjQpB9negyvjCpNT3M
Overall it shows jastor diamond as being better id say, it does perform slightly worse on pulls that dont last long, however you typically are chaining pulls so often that you can constantly proc the buff so its fine, i would 100% equip it if you currently have it, i would not spend dinars though
@past lava
past lava
tyvm!
compact knot
of course it has all raid buffs and lust which isnt the best scenario for simming m+, you can change that if you want
past lava
i don't have it and i am looking what to spend dinars for, as I came to the result that House of Cards would be better as a first spend
past lava
of course it has all raid buffs and lust which isnt the best scenario for simmin...
true
compact knot
im a raider mostly though so im not touching that
past lava
thank you for your input! helps a lot to get a different view onto this
compact knot
you can sim your dinar gear btw !!! @past lava
which i actually had no idea existed until right now lmao
past lava
wow, ok. I added them manually
covert blaze
sleep token based
compact knot
wow, ok. I added them manually
last ping, its 100% house of cards if you wont ever kill mythic bandit, or anything past him, best possible trinket you can get right now
i believe pacemaker and h hoc will be your bis in m+ for the rest of the expansion if you dont kill mythic bandit (delve trinkets might be close so make sure to sim those)
wouldnt buy BiS since myth weapon will be better than it if you get it from vault
remote bobcat
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fYjaBPPrTRab58TJp2hpUm
5 minute aoe sim is crazy
for m+ purposes
tight roost
i believe pacemaker and h hoc will be your bis in m+ for the rest of the expansi...
For me myth priory signet sims a bit higher than hc hoc in both ae and st (27k 5t 5min, 8k 1t 5min), but the avatar hoc cd overlap is more appealing
Dont know why viscera isnt in the droptimizer list?
Is that not on the vendor?
remote bobcat
it's part of the dungeon loot pool
iirc
so it should be on there
mayhaps it was forgotten
tight roost
How come only trinkets from m+ are available? I mean bad luck protection from m+ seems reasonable enough to include as well, since you only get at most 1 piece mythic gear a week if youre only doing that content
chrome plover
because it was a panic, short notice addition to try and appease the people who were very upset about dinar implementation
oblique trail
I doubt they're gonna add more considering it's already implemented, and people used their Dinars
That'd just lead to more outrage
chrome plover
not this season for sure
but likely this is a light tester for something they’ll flesh out later
like we saw with the catalyst
tight roost
Ill just go back to grinding m+ wishing for mythic weapon in vault
clever belfry
I doubt they're gonna add more considering it's already implemented, and people ...
meow
robust bloom
hey all, I know this has probably been anwsered 50 times but ive simd house of cards vs jastor diamond and keep getting different results. Any suggestions which would be a better pick?
past lava
last ping, its 100% house of cards if you wont ever kill mythic bandit, or anyth...
ty! this was also my conclusion
past lava
wouldnt buy BiS since myth weapon will be better than it if you get it from vaul...
Thought the same. Next craft is the 2h OH, biggest boost available. but waiting for next vault to decide.
oblique trail
meowdy homie
meowdy birthday capybara
thick fossil
Man, why can we not get rid of circlet? I hate it.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/37vu8Wqpqo2knyoZUrniBp
You would think a 684 ring or even a 671 ring (with heavy mastery) would over take it.
torpid elbow
Literally nothing overtakes it so op
unreal onyx
do I get the same amount of valorstones in a +2 as in a +10?
fast mural
Have you simmed the rng ring from bandit with heavy mastery?
thick fossil
Have you simmed the rng ring from bandit with heavy mastery?
I'll try a droptimizer and see what it spits out
fast mural
It's not realistic to get it but maybe there is some cope to replace circlet
thick fossil
I need to update my droptimizer for guild audit anyways. 2 birds 1 stone
thick fossil
lol nice
torpid elbow
I did arms in mythic + and went ham
slender iron
I sim more with crafted ring then cyrce
unreal onyx
You would think a 684 ring or even a 671 ring (with heavy mastery) would over ta...
my 684 fleshfused overtook it for me
torpid elbow
I sim more with crafted ring then cyrce
Was gonna say maybe a crafted ring will sim better?
torpid elbow
I’m using the prio trinket and pace for mythic + still trying to eye and cards for raid
Get*
unreal onyx
my 684 fleshfused overtook it for me
thick fossil
So I need to get a Jastor's or roulette wheel w/ high mastery. hmmm
snow edge
Jastor's beat out mine
warm crag
So I need to get a Jastor's or roulette wheel w/ high mastery. hmmm
should be getting a jastor either way or
what else are u spending ur dinars on
junior gale
should be getting a jastor either way or
Big Red Button
warm crag
brb
thick fossil
should be getting a jastor either way or
First one I spent on a mythic BiS
We should kill Gally next week or the week after. Then I can grab diamond from the second cartel chip.
marble pilot
Lame retired ex CE raider that does causal aotc now. So it was a hero jastor for me
warm crag
ye thats fair
whole yacht
what else are u spending ur dinars on
pacemaker because that shit doesnt drop or show in vault ever
and already have jastor
whole yacht
just out of curiosity i wen tto see if any of my dungeons had been logged (i dont log myself)
neat
brazen anvil
when you use rampage with a whirlwind cleave stack is it like .5 sec late to spend the stack or is my weakaura being bad
my bloodthirst and raging blow spend a stack of ww cleave immediately but when i rampage it takes a second for a stack to get spent and it keeps throwing me off, seems like a new problem
eternal sundial
whole yacht
when you use rampage with a whirlwind cleave stack is it like .5 sec late to spe...
it spends on last hit. because it doesnt spend if it gets parried
i think
frank dawn
but it did change with this patch, you're right, and it feels weird
remote bobcat
Sustained sim ?
i meant that it's just not accurate for any m+ combat
remote bobcat
no dungeon combat is 5mins long with a consistent amount of targets, even going up to +20s
unless u count boss fights
regardless, it's more accurate to do anything from 30 seconds to 2 minutes
i see a lot of people do 40sec and 1min30
compact knot
That also comes with inaccuracies
frank dawn
I mean, even if a trash pack only lasts 30-60 seconds there are lots of stretches of dungeons where you'll have less than 5 seconds of downtime to the next pack
longer aoe sim is fine
remote bobcat
well yeah you need context, but it allows for a better picture than simming 5 minute aoe fights
compact knot
I mean, even if a trash pack only lasts 30-60 seconds there are lots of stretche...
^cinderbrew priory and motherload come to mind
compact knot
well yeah you need context, but it allows for a better picture than simming 5 mi...
I'd argue its a worse picture because a 40 sec sim ALWAYS starts with cds and potion and trinkets
remote bobcat
I'd argue its a worse picture because a 40 sec sim ALWAYS starts with cds and po...
it does not if you turn it off
compact knot
You cannot turn the cds usage off
remote bobcat
well yea but you also don't want to turn it off
you can just increase the fight length incrementally
My point isn't necessarily that a 5min sim is useless for m+, it's more that it's far too inaccurate by itself imo
and it needs more sims along with it
remote bobcat
well yea but even then i'd say 3min is a better representation of aoe sims than 5min
sure u can argue shit cd timings but then you can also just go 4min or 2min
5min is just..really fkn long
for m+ standards
remote bobcat
damn u really avoided dungeons, didnt u
undone flower
no dungeon combat is 5mins long with a consistent amount of targets, even going ...
But every break between each pull is few seconds
remote bobcat
yea and you also hold cooldowns towards the end of a pull in order to use them the next
there is no perfect sim, obviously
but you have to be smart about it if you want to get a good picture
undone flower
Ye ofc, but for gear I prefer personally the 5 min and consider (everyone does as they like) I’m in constant fight
remote bobcat
The amount of people i've seen play eye of kezan in m+ "because it's BIS in their 5tar 5min sim"
smh
context is always needed
thats the reality
undone flower
Yeah I’m not that weird
modest condor
simming 5min 5target for m+ is the same as simming 5min 1target for one armed bandit
modest condor
you always need to do some critical thinking
of people just equip kezan in m+ because "it sims best on my 5min sim" then that's on them
radiant plank
I equip kezan in m+ cuz i cba
undone flower
I already sent logs of ppl having 80%+ uptime on 20 stacks eye, but we need wisdom
compact knot
The amount of people i've seen play eye of kezan in m+ "because it's BIS in thei...
its not even bis in the 5 tar 5 min sim
and a 40 second sim will show signet of the priory being bis
so like
just use brain
marble pilot
I mean it is bis with a whole bunch of what ifs. If you know the tank well and are sure you will stay in combat the whole time to not lose stacks then it wins.
I dont think it is ever worth using with a pug tank. Or a group you know might let stacks drop
remote bobcat
its not even bis in the 5 tar 5 min sim
im not specifically talkin for warr only
compact knot
yeah
marble pilot
As of right no though I only use it on mugzee/gally. I run seaforium and pacemaker otherwise. Though I would like to replace one of those with a use trinket soon.
remote bobcat
seaforium is pacemaker sir
compact knot
i used eye of kezan on my dk in a cinderbrew and it only dropped one time in the entire dungeon (bee flying rp)
with a pug tank
gleaming siren
Eye is very good in M+
undone flower
Im using lock and pacemaker for now
gleaming siren
🤷♂️
compact knot
its good asf in some dungeons
gleaming siren
Worse in some keys
compact knot
wouldnt use it in a workshop ever
remote bobcat
i kinda feel like eye of kezan is a win-more trinket in m+
undone flower
Yeah like top I guess
whole yacht
damn u really avoided dungeons, didnt u
no. just dog shit luck
compact knot
top too
marble pilot
Using a Champ track Best in slots for my use effect right now. But im likely crafting a second 2her next week. Cause my only shot at 2h myth track is m+ and it hasnt worked out yet.
gleaming siren
Generally still very good if you can carry the stacks into important pulls
But yea ToP and Workshop are bad Eye keys generally
fiery edge
share some of those dogshit luck
compact knot
rookery might not be great either
id always use it in a cinderbrew, priory and probably motherload for sure
undone flower
If you want to see the logs
#fury message
compact knot
also eye works the exact same way signet brand did in amirdrassil
out of combat it slowly drops a couple of stacks, when the buff fully runs out it drops entirely
undone flower
I had the logs of eye in rookery but it’s been a while / it was when we first discussed in prot why all Chinese dudes run eye 2 months ago
gleaming siren
Doesnt seem bad ig you just have to make sure to tag some Civilians
killing Civilians theme of this dungeon pool
honestly
oblique trail
war crime
undone flower
I wonder how much dps it gives if you do 2 min ST sim with 20 stacks at the start
whole yacht
like at least 11
undone flower
Still more damage than bladestorm
clever belfry
https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-post-this-cat-17-gif-14259044445334348769
nyo :3
sour cloak
this is a priory 10. is this decent for fury? or should i be reaching higher?
marble pilot
Is good
smoky vale
too many variables in m+
marble pilot
All dps over 2.5m looks like an easy +2 to me
smoky vale
be me +2 ing 12s with a 616 boomie in my group
marble pilot
Im happy when everyone breaks 2 mil to be honest. I think that changes the higher you go. But lots of variables. Time between pulls/how mechanics are handled. Size of pulls. Buffs you have. Classes that are in there.
whole yacht
this is a priory 10. is this decent for fury? or should i be reaching higher?
its good. but also. theres a lot of factors that play into exactly what numbers you can reach
static mountain
hello bois. as a casual player whats the first item i shud pick with my dinars?
marble pilot
For most people its a jastor. Its in the class guides on what to get and why
whole yacht
sim if you want the REAL answer. but most get jastor unless they have it already
sour cloak
its good. but also. theres a lot of factors that play into exactly what numbers ...
yeah totally. for example, the higher dps the team has, the faster you can down bosses. that's gonna increase your overall dps
frank dawn
trinkets or jastor is what it comes down to for 99% of people
sour cloak
because single target in m+ is usually where your dps falls off
so its a team thing too
whole yacht
trinkets or jastor is what it comes down to for 99% of people
this ^ i am getting a trinket on my main, and got one on my alt
whole yacht
because single target in m+ is usually where your dps falls off
well yes, but also deaths, wipes, pull sizes
etc
sour cloak
for fury pull size above 5 doesn't really matter does it? fury can cleave up to 5 targets
static mountain
hmm ok thanks bois. i thought i weapon is the go to but i guess ill take the ring 🙂
sour cloak
it would matter a lot more for arms
marble pilot
hmm ok thanks bois. i thought i weapon is the go to but i guess ill take the rin...
If you will never craft a weapon it could be better. But generally you craft 681 weapons instead of buying hero track ones.
Assuming you have no access to myth track weapons from m+ or raid
static mountain
alright man. i appreicate ur help ^^
undone flower
for fury pull size above 5 doesn't really matter does it? fury can cleave up to ...
What about pull sizes under 5
Some pug tanks do that
sour cloak
I'm running house of cards with bis mace. I'm aware that they share a cd so i macroed it so that i can use them separately. I macroed house of cards with avatar and bis with recklessness. But i also macroed house of cards on recklessness so if for whatever reason both are off cd house of cards takes priority.
Any other ideas / things i could do to manage this better?
gleaming siren
if you're dead set on doing this
(dont recommend)
then make it /use [combat] Best-in-Slots
smoky vale
(dont recommend)
short pecan
What part isn't recommended?
sour cloak
maybe they're saying that house of cards with mace is not a good combo
and i should be running a different weap
marble pilot
Im working on replacing my champ track Best in Slots with a second crafted weapon and an on use trinket. Ideally HoC
warm crag
maybe they're saying that house of cards with mace is not a good combo
no they most certainly are not saying that
sullen dove
maybe they're saying that house of cards with mace is not a good combo
Macroing bis to a cd is usually what’s not that great
If u can spare the keybind just to put bis on its own
Cuz if u hit reck like 5-10 sec before ava then u kinda desync being able to use hoc with your cds since hoc effect is way stronger
so you’d just want to hit it “with reck if you can” but not to the point it conflicts with when you would use hoc with av
puts it on like a 20-30 sec cd don’t remember which
warm crag
@sullen dove what did you purchase from the dinar vendor
whole yacht
we still running depths?
i might go play another class bruh
just tryna crest farm
plush zephyr
I don’t apply to peoples shit unless it’s a social guild I know and have a password lmao
frank dawn
getting invited as fury is ass
plush zephyr
Thank tier lists
whole yacht
its crazy cuz fury isnt even that bad
frank dawn
I mean sure, but also, can you really blame them? We bring fuck all to the group, and we're at the bottom of the tier lists
frank dawn
the tier list thing is whatever, but we still offer fuck all to their group
there is zero reason to bring a warrior when you have other options is all I'm saying
plush zephyr
Yup
whole yacht
i mean for real keys sure
i agree
but a 12 is not necessary to be giga picky
like people are
plush zephyr
Well people are being finicky about their 12s atm
hollow bloom
but a 12 is not necessary to be giga picky
People are picky in 10s, imagine 12 or 14
frank dawn
same argument tho, when they have 50 dps applying there is zero reason to ever choose the warrior
modest condor
i have no problems getting invited to +12s as a 3.4k fury warrior
whole yacht
i dont play enough to get 3.4k
last night was my first time playing my warrior in 2 weeks
whole yacht
People are picky in 10s, imagine 12 or 14
being picky in a 10 is insanity to me
oak garden
@edgy widget do we change Cycle for the new max ilvl Craft Ring or ML Ring?
dense elbow
I would not invite Silm's 3.4k warrior, simply because I seen Silm die to silly misst
akes
plush zephyr
<@61282228017041408> do we change Cycle for the new max ilvl Craft Ring or ML R...
Bro just sim
sullen dove
<@593536556472729602> what did you purchase from the dinar vendor
detonate
2 3% bandit pulls from previous best of 40
dense elbow
Bro just sim
no u sim, bro
sullen dove
lightning deaths are insane
modest condor
I would not invite Silm's 3.4k warrior, simply because I seen Silm die to silly ...
sounds like a noob
imagine dying to silly misst
akes
marble pilot
Is there a general guide somewhere on reading your own logs. Like finding the things you are doing wrong to improve. Other than just posting the log.
Stuff like I knew my execute usage was bad a few weeks ago. How much have I improved compared to then.
Is the Wow Analyzer for Fury good enough?
hollow bloom
being picky in a 10 is insanity to me
Specially now with the turbo stuff people are being picky in 10s to farm crests
marble pilot
Some of my worst pugs were this reset cause everyone suddenly wants to do it and doesnt know what they are doing. A lot of these people spamming 10s should be doing liek 5s
dense elbow
You talking like you need to understand what you are doing to get a 10 done
marble pilot
You need a minimal amount of dont stand in things and kicks for it to not be painful
And thanks Steele
plush zephyr
Scripe from Echo had an incredible video
dense elbow
Dont worry, wait till you get to 12-14 area, that is where the cesspool of players are atm, bashing their head against the wall
plush zephyr
It’s like 40+ min long on youtube if you’re interested @marble pilot
marble pilot
Yeah ive done a couple 12s. Havnt timed em yet but completed em.
And Im at work with nothing better to do other than learn how to be better. Might as well
plush zephyr
What helped me (just me) improve the most was watching my own dungeon runs
And see where I was fucking up and where I could optimize but I love reviewing gameplay
marble pilot
Im that weirdo that used to raid lead CE but that was way back in MoP/legion before I had a kid and real work and life. Now I dont put in the time I used to and my performance has suffered.
Gotta pick it up where I can. I know I only do AOTC now but I still wanna be the best AOTC/M+er I can
plush zephyr
Wish wow had built in replay system like sc2 does
plush zephyr
I’m a dad/work 40+ hours, just try to have fun with the time you have
Don’t waste gaming time applying to keys and getting mad
marble pilot
Oh I mostly run with guildies now. But I like to min max where I can. I dont rage at anything. It used to be my job to care about everyone. Not anymore.
We have some people who are doing 95% plus parses but others that are 15% at best. I can do my part to be in the 95% group again
smoky vale
lightning deaths are insane
hi
sudden tusk
2 3% bandit pulls from previous best of 40
Smorbsmish victory soon
Do you raid again before reset
sudden tusk
smoky vale
do you have an unsaved guy
sullen dove
ur just saving for bis ig?
that or hoc
if killed woulda waited for vault to see if i get either then bangbucks the other
but also think id maybe rather have trinket than weap cuz trink actually lines up with everything and cringe weap extra keybind needed
marble pilot
Hoping for M+ vault to have a 2her for me.
sullen dove
and omega m+ gaming
got assassinated by a turtling hunter on one of the 3%'s with double beam that was so great
smoky vale
got assassinated by a turtling hunter on one of the 3%'s with double beam that w...
do you think if we ask and a poll was made we could ot?
maybe assemble a strong roster
smoky vale
summer quail
but also think id maybe rather have trinket than weap cuz trink actually lines u...
if you just run 2 passives then put weapon on trinket keybind
ez
sullen dove
sudden tusk
do you have an unsaved guy
No all 3 are saved
smoky vale
gg
sullen dove
it is but its annoying
sudden tusk
Mine?
smoky vale
both
gleaming siren
<@593536556472729602> what did you purchase from the dinar vendor
@warm crag what did you purchase on spongeuwu
warm crag
<@164800371057754112> what did you purchase on spongeuwu
Nothing
smoky vale
for splits
gleaming siren
yes
smoky vale
why not alts incase they need you on something else
gleaming siren
Cause my alts currently are Lock and Evoker
smoky vale
play ww
gleaming siren
and I think there's a 0% chance that I ever play Warlock in my guild
smoky vale
or something
whole yacht
im 100% rerolling if i get beat on damage by a tank. esp as a mm
smoky vale
im 100% rerolling if i get beat on damage by a tank. esp as a mm
its not hard to do as prot
summer quail
and I think there's a 0% chance that I ever play Warlock in my guild
i've seen schmidilock before
compact knot
im 100% rerolling if i get beat on damage by a tank. esp as a mm
mm was 674 and ret was 679
whole yacht
sad
gleaming siren
i've seen schmidilock before
Yes but Schmidilock <<<<<<<<<<< Robinwl
compact knot
but im full dps tank spec
so like
using shield wall and demo shout as offensive spells
whole yacht
its not hard to do as prot
674 mm should never lose in dps to a tank. esp not by barely doing 3m overall
earnest canyon
step it up rishnak, wtf
smoky vale
you aint ever played with a prot war
whole yacht
i have
summer quail
Yes but Schmidilock <<<<<<<<<<< Robinwl
fair enough
compact knot
i also did the same dps as prot on last boss of cinderbrew compared to my arms war
smoky vale
im lowkey the goat when it comes to dps prot war
show talents again
compact knot
i mean this shit is busted
idk whats better ngl
i switched for tough as nails
instead of spell block
compact knot
(it does no damage)
smoky vale
you're better off dropping deep wounds rage and it for bloodborne
smoky vale
its really not
gleaming siren
2x Shield Wall is a DPS CD
smoky vale
^
plush zephyr
Was getting boba with my kid and a guy just asked the lady “what’s a mango tea, is that like orange?”
compact knot
it would be bloodborne
smoky vale
ig it doesnt matter since you dont care about sb uptime
compact knot
bloodsurge was 2k rage the whole dungeon
smoky vale
thats not a lot i think
compact knot
3rd highest generator
smoky vale
ss was like 5-6k?0
smoky vale
the difference is in aoe there is no gain in playing it
but in st devastator is better
compact knot
i could drop 2x shield wall + tough as nails for 2x bloodborne
adds ~250m to bleeds
smoky vale
its not worth
dense elbow
i mean this shit is busted
New Fury build confirmed, actually does AoE DPS too
compact knot
we can yeah
smoky vale
ill get on my pc in a sec
compact knot
nah i got it
dense elbow
Someone dont trust Gio... smart.
smoky vale
prob best to do 8t 40 and 8 4m?
sudden tusk
I need to kill m bandit on my boomkin
smoky vale
and 1t 3m?
compact knot
surely the sim knows the rotation perfectly and doesnt even need the second charge of shield wall
smoky vale
dont know if the sim uses wall on demolish
compact knot
battering ram is better on ST and in a smaller mob count
2x bb way better on everything else
2x shield wall is worse on everything
did 4 sims
smoky vale
bc then thats the apl not pressing wall
compact knot
battering ram real good on ST
like 70k dps better than blood surge
but bloodsurge 250k dps better on 8 target
compact knot
2 seconds of SB?
smoky vale
yeah
smoky vale
ig the problem is figuring out how much pressing wall before each dmeolish is an increase in aoe
bc robot does not
compact knot
i can check
compact knot
yeah
smoky vale
smoky vale
yeah
smoky vale
i think theres also the arguement of playing heavy repercussions since you dont have the most haste
but
the differences are so minimal
marble schooner
holy moly is Echo DEAD
smoky vale
it becomes preference
marble schooner
holy moly is Echo DEAD
how many times has someone said this today before me
compact knot
nah it does it after
it used shield wall right after demolish ended
(lusted so demolish cast is fast)
smoky vale
gg