fury

[undone flower]

Good 80m investment

[chrome plover]

yeah those guys got what they deserved but as a result blizzard fucked it for everyone else

classic

[balmy shore]

it’s like 380 guilds

LOL

fake hof

[chrome plover]

holy moly

[balmy shore]

we were 404

[undone flower]

Not found

[balmy shore]

if we killed mugzee a little faster or didn’t int oab i think we would’ve tried to get into fake hof

[chrome plover]

so technically we're in the top 70% of hof guilds

[balmy shore]

pog 70%

[undone flower]

Im bottom 10% CE in my guild

[ornate gust]

https://tenor.com/view/remember-the-titans-denzel-youre-a-hall-of-famer-in-my-book-gif-8532006

[broken prairie]

Yo! is the slayer build better now since the bladestorm buff or is mountain still ahead in mythic+ :D

[summer quail]

Still thane

[broken prairie]

thank youuuu!!!

[dense elbow]

d'awww, sprouts usually so wholesome

So question: Should I go AoE pad build and pray for good RNG to maybe do 7m DPS AoE for the first few parts of the dungeon, making it less likely to be booted for "low DPS". Or go the build that does 5m AoE DPS for the fist few parts, but does more overall damage after you done the whole dung
Right call is take the overall hit, and just pretend to be efficent DPS on AoE, ye?

[devout totem]

what

take the one with bigger number

[warm crag]

hidden third option where you untalent OF

[dense elbow]

Never

I can take that 3.5% DPS loss

[devout totem]

i miss the yellow button

[dense elbow]

big value

[smoky vale]

stupid

[dense elbow]

you just jelly I got the button

[junior gale]

[frank dawn]

If they would throw a big buff at OF I think Slayer would actually be pretty damn strong in the 10-14 range after the Bladestorm buff

higher keys prob still play into Thane, but that's ok for that to happen too

[junior gale]

why would an OF buff only affect slayer

[marble pilot]

There is a weakaura that specifically tracks when to use execute. Its in the class guides. Was recently updated for both the bloodthirst/execute WAs

[junior gale]

#1237307732705415228 message

[marble pilot]

I havnt looked at the logs though im not that proficient at em.

[remote bobcat]

#1347646810457636974

[ionic plinth]

Sorry ! Yes thank you

[marble pilot]

IMO the fact that we "need" 2 weakauras to track when 2 rotational ability procs actually good enough to press is kinda lame game design.
Member when fury was click the glowy buttons. Pepperidge farm remembers.

[smoky vale]

me when i linked the wa

[lilac kite]

Hey peeps been out the game since December. I would like to read the classes changes in full for myself and every iteration since. I can't seem to find the forum that shows that. Any help would be appreciated 😄

[frank dawn]

OF is so far behind for Thane, even if they buffed it by 100% I'm pretty sure it would still be a 1% or so dps loss for Thane

[smoky vale]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/overview-pve-dps

[undone flower]

If it’s 1% apart I take OF for the fun gain

[frank dawn]

yeah sure, just saying it wouldn't really make the performance any better for Thane

[undone flower]

Give me the loboz build rn

Oh yeah I don’t think it is thane intended, it fills more what I want for slayer

[junior gale]

whats causing OF to be so different for both hero specs I dont pay that much attention to fury

[smoky vale]

more talent points as thane

[junior gale]

dont they basically take the same talents

[smoky vale]

available

[junior gale]

just rav bs diff

[smoky vale]

you are forced to take sd

and something else i think

[frank dawn]

Thunderblast and the buttons that feed into Thunderblast make it hard for extra buttons to find value in the Thane rotation

and the talent points you drop to pick up OF have a bigger opportunity cost becuase of that too

[undone flower]

It would need to be huge burst damage for thane for OF be really a big thing

[smoky vale]

also you take ashen jug

so thats -2

[undone flower]

In m+ ?

Jug

[smoky vale]

on slayer

[undone flower]

I think even if the sim tells me to I wouldn’t talent jug in m+ imo

As slayer

[smoky vale]

theres not a better talent i think

[undone flower]

So the -2 are not on the early-mid tree part ?

[junior gale]

hmm I see. I havent had much of a need to pay attention to fury this season besides playing it once for stix and since the spec is also a meme for M+ right now.

[undone flower]

I don’t have it in front of me rn

[smoky vale]

hi someone help the guy in log review

i cant rn

[junior gale]

uhh tell him to press MS and OP

[frank dawn]

I'm weird like Funky, and I play Slayer because I think it's more fun. But I don't take OF =P. but I also don't take Ashen Jug

just not worth imo

[junior gale]

yeah ashen pick up seems weird for keys the talent is an incredibly minor st increase isnt it

errr I guess that translates to aoe too

my brain is melted been up for 30 hours

[undone flower]

I don’t have the slayer build in my mind, but if it’s -2 in the middle (while being locked by required point spending) ashen is an easy talent out for me, maybe I’m wrong

[frank dawn]

sims have generally favored me taking the Thane setup in the middle instead of trying to drop a point somewhere for Ashen

it's quite minor either way tho

[candid falcon]

where do you all fit dragon roar in your slayer opening?

thunderous roar* forgot it changed names

[undone flower]

now that i see in the calculator gio is right wtf you do with the point if you don't take jug

[tardy lark]

First global

Or well, charge is, but you know

[candid falcon]

enraged or just send it? and yeah first damaging gcd

[tardy lark]

Shit this was fury. You just reck+ava charge - rampage - roar - BS

[candid falcon]

okay so rampage roar bs, raging blows then rampage

[tepid cedar]

bruh, running 10s now adays for vault is an absoluite disaster.

[coarse nest]

Do 12s

It’s unironically easier

[tepid cedar]

lol

[dense elbow]

^ This is true and real

[candid falcon]

"do 12s" get invited to a 12 challenge: impossible

[coarse nest]

Oh right you gotta be 3.2k to farm 12s

The caveat

[dense elbow]

I get invited to 12s, I just sign up for a 12 with no tank or healer. Then I ask to be leader, so my rio pushes us up the list, then tank and healer insta join

[tepid cedar]

jsut did a 10 rookiery, i outdpsed tank and 2 dps, as well as had all the interrupts basically.... 9 total interrupts from the opther 2 dps

like how

[coarse nest]

You out dps the tank!?

Holly shit this guy pipes

[dense elbow]

Not many interupts if you do them, each pack other than the lightning boyos, got like 1 interupt

[junior gale]

tbf who still interupts this late into the season in a 10

ik I cant be bothered

[candid falcon]

yeah im not even 2500 yet

[tepid cedar]

bro i straight out smash when i tank lolol

[iron portal]

I smash harder

Wait what

[tepid cedar]

lol

[candid falcon]

i cant get invited to 10s and when i tried to run my floodgate 10 this week 3/5 people didnt know mechanics on 2nd boss and we disbanded

fury moment

[dense elbow]

Well, they dont invite me with 3k score and 673, you are doomed

just tank till you got 3k score, will save you a headache and a half

also, you prob will do more DPS

[tepid cedar]

thjis is true lol

[coarse nest]

Just do 3k the first night of the season duhhh

[dense elbow]

Try to stay ahead of the curve, the curve is now at what - 3.3k rio?

whatever the 1% is at, is the curve you need to worry about for invites

[coarse nest]

All 15s needing 16s seems pretty common

But idk

[junior gale]

ive had multiple 10s ignore or decline me at 675 ilvl 3.3k io its just pug brain rot

[dense elbow]

I am not even suprised

[coarse nest]

You push as arms bozo?

[dense elbow]

To be fair, I wouldnt invite a Fury either if I wasnt a diehard loyalist

[junior gale]

I need to build the perfect comp for my +10!

[junior gale]

ofc I rarely touch fury this season

[coarse nest]

Ayye arms owns

[dense elbow]

Nah, it is just that in a 10, a MM hunter (a bad one) will do what 3.5m-4m easy, do 18-30m a pull on AoE

Fury does what...

8m DPS on AoE?

Ye, I take the MM hunter

[junior gale]

its not fun pulling 10-15 mobs and only hitting 5 of them

[dense elbow]

Take OF, then you can hit them and pretend you do dam

[candid falcon]

spent 30m on thursday applying to 10s and then my computer shut off which was a sign to stop applying LOL

[coarse nest]

[junior gale]

orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr I can press cleave

[dense elbow]

DMP, please, go tank till you got at least 3k score

Or you just wasting so much time

Pwarrior is kinda fun at times, you should give it a go

[tepid cedar]

this my fun tank spec, lol straight murder shit on cds

[chrome plover]

ravager AND demolish AND spear AND roar

[dense elbow]

That build makes my brain tingle in bad ways

[tepid cedar]

dance to death getting more time to is amazing lolol

[coarse nest]

Yeah I think I’ll stick with my cleave spammer

[marble pilot]

Too many buttons. Sounds annoying to deal with lol. Even if number go up

[candid falcon]

ive been doing thane prot warrior so far, its felt fun

[dense elbow]

Go for it, get that bag. Ez 3k

[undone flower]

i will not say anything and stay calm bc it is fury channel

[tepid cedar]

then thhhjow on these and numbers goo upppppp

[dense elbow]

You are a better person than I am, I judged

[undone flower]

RAVAGER CAPSTONE LMAO

[tepid cedar]

funky u judge everything lololz

[dense elbow]

Lies, I am zen

If you take OF; I find no fault

[undone flower]

i'm cooking a cursed OF build

[candid falcon]

i think i might just group up with my boys late tonight and push my 9 into some 10 keys

[undone flower]

i will try

doing a 10 with onslaught and OF

[dense elbow]

Man, I almost broke

but I am fine

do it

sounds... fun

[marble pilot]

Use an agi weapon as well. Hits faster

[dense elbow]

Keys with da boys

[candid falcon]

we havent been able to do keys in weeks im hyped

[tepid cedar]

funky

u aint smart enough to go run a 10 with SMF daggers and OF

[candid falcon]

smf daggers

[dense elbow]

'cause I be

[marble pilot]

What I have on the second monitor is my buisness,

[undone flower]

do you take titanic rage with OF ?

[iron portal]

Maybe you have ugly name

[junior gale]

[marble pilot]

Gotta challenge the lead to beat you in interrupts in the note.

But I just dont pug keys. I only run with guildies. Or let the other guildie do the queueing while I afk and click the damage button over and over

[dense elbow]

Yep, you can skip it for a 0.4% overall loss on OF, but a 1% ish gain from something else. But you lose the QoL feel of OF

[undone flower]

my onlsaught cook with OF does 5m5 on the dummies and DOGSHIT ST

[dense elbow]

If they buff Bladestorm another 20-30%, it will be back to pre-profile change levels profile% damage

OS DPS loss is worse than OF, at least OF is better on MT. OS is just a weaker raging blow

(unmodified raging blow at that)

[undone flower]

i tried to play around the slaughtering strikes of the capstone but it is so dogshit x)

[coarse nest]

Can you convert the French metric to English I’m too stupid to understand

[dense elbow]

remember to add the 60% dam mod for RB while enraged

60%? 30%

[undone flower]

i do 5 millions 5 hundred on the 5 target dummies with a cursed onlsaught and OF build

[smoky vale]

in the key i did with os of spear

i did like 2? on bosses

[coarse nest]

Oh shit onslaught owning!?

[smoky vale]

do not ask boss

er trash

[undone flower]

but i do 6 millions and 5 hundreds with the regular thane

[coarse nest]

Warrior damage down so bad we play “for fun” builds now

[dense elbow]

Good, I am glad you lads finally get that just having fun is better than just trying to minmax a spec already 10% behind others at the best of days

[smoky vale]

fuck you

[dense elbow]

Ya know I am right

[undone flower]

fuck you funky, i'm cursed by the OF cope now

[coarse nest]

I love playing my ass off to be in last place!

[dense elbow]

Hell yeah, turn off dam meters and just enjoy the QoL opener

[coarse nest]

Thanks blizzard

[undone flower]

if you were curious about the cursed onslaught test i did (i was curious about always having 5 slaughtering strikes after each bladestorm)

[dense elbow]

rb,rb,OS-Spear, Storm,Ramp,OF, lets goooooooo

[smoky vale]

that is what i played but i took jug instead of the thing next to sd

thats prob better than jug anywyas

[dense elbow]

Take jug or you will hate your life

it is the only way to avoid gimping your execute

[coarse nest]

OF is so bad go hack n slash

[dense elbow]

If you dont have 100% crit, you risk losing DPS on the 3 stack exe

[coarse nest]

Easier SS stacks

[smoky vale]

there is 0 chance execute crits beats rb damage

[dense elbow]

Just dont press RB

solved

[tepid cedar]

Nah bro SMF and OF with auto attack increase and daggers

[undone flower]

no need to care about SS stacks with the onslaught capstone, but yeah without i would take hack n slash

[smoky vale]

too far...

[tepid cedar]

I’m telling you you guys are missing out on true meta

[smoky vale]

i think if you play smf you dont play os though

[tepid cedar]

What you meannnn

900k burst in pulls!!!

Meta

[smoky vale]

i dont think dropping gushing wound is worth

[undone flower]

you are thane if you want to play smf to switch the sudden death talent mmmmh

[smoky vale]

bro

why do pvpers play smf thane

[dense elbow]

Gushing is a solid 2-3% dps for 1 talentpoint, so it is hard to drop

[coarse nest]

Less intellect as a pvper

It happens

[smoky vale]

besides that

[tepid cedar]

Smf in pvp is fun

[quiet breach]

guys is the stereotype of DPS warriors being the dumbest players in raiding true?

[tepid cedar]

You can nuke ppl bc of how fast it is

[smoky vale]

oh

that makes somewhat sense

[cold heart]

They're called huntarded for a reason

[smoky vale]

but i swear having 2hs is just better

more stats

more weapon dps

idk

[dense elbow]

Not really, but Warrior has been the most punishing melee to play minmax. So we die to "stupid things" more often, as we cant run away as early as others without killing our DPS.

[tepid cedar]

I did it in DF especially in open world PvP

[iron portal]

Also you are bigger chad

[tepid cedar]

Ppl had no idea what happened to them with crafted daggers 😂😂

[iron portal]

Be glad you dont have legion enrage

You would all be crying right now even more

[tepid cedar]

I remember one dude telling me her was going to report me for “speed hacking” attack speed lolol

[iron portal]

Nothing beat speed set of legion though

Rip in pepri

[dense elbow]

Outrunning ground mounts, big quick quick zoom zoom

[smoky vale]

ts pmo sybau n jiv

[tepid cedar]

I think longstroder still scales

[iron portal]

Battle cry+ leggo boots+ speed items + baron rivendare swords

[tepid cedar]

Especially with all the speed stuff we got now.

[dense elbow]

Nowdays we slow af

[tepid cedar]

I was thinking about that today to update my speed set see how zoom zoom we can go

[iron portal]

And triple jump leggo

[dense elbow]

Do it, but you will prob be sad

[iron portal]

Plus barbarian pvp talent

We lost it too..

[dense elbow]

They disabled Baron Blade stacking and stuff

[iron portal]

And the food

Forgot the name

They nuked that one too

[undone flower]

i do as much with smf /OF attack speed as with onlsaught + OF

[iron portal]

Blizz just hates these fun builds idk why

[dense elbow]

Made legacy content farming too efficent

:v

[tepid cedar]

lol and smf feel more fun imo

[iron portal]

Bear tartare

[dense elbow]

[iron portal]

I swear i finished ICC in like 6 minutes

Maybe little more but you get the idea

[dense elbow]

we zoomed around with what 300% odd movementspeed, so makes sense ya race through it

[iron portal]

Bear tartare worked off any target that died

Didint have to give exp or honor loke war machine

[undone flower]

but it is abysmal dog in ST i do 1.4 with smf +OF attack speed

[fiery edge]

going for that slayer multi target buiild

[dense elbow]

Do it, it plays nicely

Slayer is a ton of fun to play in keys

problem is it does 0 dam

[tepid cedar]

Man I wish slayer was viable with ravager

[undone flower]

i mean, they just have to make it work with the hero tree

and change the icons i guess

[iron portal]

Slayer really is what fury should be. Maybe if execute wasnt also wet noodle and aoe didnt suck donkey balls

[olive wraith]

Idk I think thane is pretty cool

[iron portal]

Ofc my opinion is subjective

But thane doesnt do it for me

[young swan]

id like slayer a lot more if there was actual synergy with execute the phase

[iron portal]

Execute the phase

[fading sky]

Execute is good

[smoky vale]

hi xan :3

[fading sky]

Its not wet noodle at all

[olive wraith]

Not for fury

[young swan]

it absolutely is

[marble pilot]

I dont mind slayer. But I only play it for ST raid. I much prefer thane

[iron portal]

That is cope

[fading sky]

In slayer its not

Problem is rb synergy

[olive wraith]

It’s not good

[fading sky]

Its dmg per click is good?

[young swan]

it sucks so bad that we have a weakaura that tells us only to press it if we're gonna lose a proc, buff or capped on mfe stacks

[dense elbow]

Execute 3x crits for 3m (combined), RB crits for 2.5m (combined)

[olive wraith]

The only reason it’s good is when you have 3 stacks of marks

[dense elbow]

I dunno

seems wetnoodle to me

[marble pilot]

I dont like that execute doesnt feel good. Its been relegated to click when the wa makes a noise. And it doesnt feel different in execute phase vs random proc

[fading sky]

But execute crits 45% more often

[dense elbow]

wow

[undone flower]

i think vicious contempt talent contribute more execute phase damage of fury than the spell execute

[dense elbow]

then it almost evens out with RB value

from SS

[young swan]

2x0 is still 0

wow!

[iron portal]

Kek

[olive wraith]

Woooo you double damage to go to a 500k crit

[fading sky]

Solved if jugger is 45% dmg

[young swan]

correct

[marble pilot]

Execute used to be watch rank on the meters fly once you can execute. Now it hardly moves. You just have a slightly better filler

[fading sky]

Instead feels better at least

Execute wasnt a fury thing

[olive wraith]

Too bad sudden death doesn’t make it so bloodthirst gains VC regardless of hp

[dense elbow]

Crit+Crit dam, I solved it

[young swan]

been saying it for ages

[frank dawn]

They need to move some of the MfE amps into Sudden Death Procs imo, and just need better talent interaction across execute if you want it

[dense elbow]

You?

[young swan]

yes me

[dense elbow]

I SAID IT SINCE DAY ONE OF JUG WAS SHOWN GIVING CRIT

[fading sky]

I mean rb is the problem for execute

[dense elbow]

reeeeeeeeeeeee

[young swan]

goated

[fading sky]

I mean rb is all problems

[olive wraith]

I just don’t know why we have so many rb talents. I wanna press bt more

[young swan]

2 things can be a problem at the same time

[dense elbow]

I also wanted AJ to stack 10 times, for 100%, for my brain to feel better

[iron portal]

Execute is the problem for execute tbh

[marble pilot]

I do think the game in general has too many stacking effects now.

[young swan]

nuking RB doesnt magically make execute better

[undone flower]

hear me out funky, what if, slayer tree worked on odyn's fury (with an odyn fury sudden death thing ofc) and not on execute

[young swan]

it just makes rb worse

[fading sky]

Ye but our dmg is decent atm

[fiery edge]

what's the opener like? played too much thunder clap makes pressing WW weird as heck

[dense elbow]

I dont thunderclap

[iron portal]

decent

[young swan]

[fading sky]

Its very good in raid

[iron portal]

We literally are getting worse while everyone is getting stronger

[young swan]

what does that have to do with anything

[olive wraith]

It’s mid

[dense elbow]

It is decent, mid is decent

[iron portal]

Its not even very good in raid anymore

[olive wraith]

Which is fine

[dense elbow]

Omg, yes! WE doing it AGAIN!

We are fine, everything is fine, we are viable, we can do the content!

Everything is fine!

It is fine!

[olive wraith]

I just wanna be above average in keys

[dense elbow]

All is fine!

[marble pilot]

Season 3 is our season. Big changes coming

[fading sky]

Nah our cleave is above mid in raid

[clever belfry]

i think warrior deserves to get RB removed without compensation

[fading sky]

At least in prog

[clever belfry]

agree?

[olive wraith]

So 2 fights?

[young swan]

[iron portal]

Man you need to bring some better rhetoric into conversation

[marble pilot]

That is the one thing fury has. We dont lose too much ST to pick up the good enough cleave.

[undone flower]

to me mid = good because the very good is just fight context dependant, almost nothing about specs (with 1 outlier yes)

[marble pilot]

So in raid we are useful when there are adds. Dont have to fully spec into it

[fading sky]

Yes

[vague sierra]

The one thing fury has is a ridiculous number of copers tbh.

[dense elbow]

Hell yea we do

[iron portal]

I can agree with that

[marble pilot]

You can take the Zug out of the fury. But you will never take the Zug out of the players

[dense elbow]

I ran out of copium when I saw the "buff" with BS being 30% stronger, like lel

[quiet geyser]

Tbh, a lot of specs work this way now. It's not really a fury exclusive thing anymore

[dense elbow]

even for slayer that doesnt move the needle

[olive wraith]

Idk every season I see fury is dead chatting

[vague sierra]

Yes, no one beats our cope.

[undone flower]

ofc we are copers most here are convincing themselves everyday to not reroll ret for the past 5 years

[dense elbow]

We got a lot of class loyalists, but every tier we lose a few

[marble pilot]

Yeah it isnt just fury. But there are still several classes that are aoe or st. And they dont overlap well.

[iron portal]

Well tbh when fury gets out of line blizz is quick to bring in 🔨

[dense elbow]

Fury does too much damage week 1, before ppl got gear?!

Nerf! Nerf! -30% AoE dam!

DIE DIE DIE

[fading sky]

Well for m+ make roar great + of

[undone flower]

BEFORE THE WEEKEND FUNKY*

[olive wraith]

Rash you bastard

[undone flower]

3 days it took

[dense elbow]

It wasnt even Beta Strong

it wasnt even strong

...

[fading sky]

Arms was nerfed before beta😅

[marble pilot]

Please let Thane be playable in S3. Thane is so fun

[olive wraith]

St you mean?

[undone flower]

damn you ovinax, you made us all miserables

[fading sky]

Yup

[olive wraith]

I think it’s good we swap hero trees

[marble pilot]

Yeah or at least have more raid fights where its useful. Not just stix

[fading sky]

Heroic ovinax

That is

[plush maple]

Anyone know a good WA pack for Liberation of Undermine? Dunno if I should go with most starred one or Liquid one

[fading sky]

All depends

[plush maple]

Few others to choose from

[olive wraith]

Try them out and see how you like them

[fading sky]

Northern sky is more barebones

What matters is what do the others use

[fickle cedar]

i use big wigs + northern sky, along with timeline WA to see things coming up more clearly

[plush maple]

Ah, I'd be pugging mostly

[olive wraith]

Wa is only good if you gain value from using it

[undone flower]

my guild does a patchwork pack with things from each / if they like one or the other on the fight

[plush maple]

Fair enough

[fading sky]

Puggin what mythic?

Id say timeline + just setup bigwigs to give info u wsnt

[plush maple]

Gonna start from normal then do heroic

[undone flower]

i think you all need the same pack/WA for stix no ?

[fickle cedar]

then just use big wigs

[fading sky]

Y bigwigs

[undone flower]

oh yes you absolutly don't need these packs for nm and heroic

[coarse nest]

If you want the assignments to work properly you all need the same raid Weakaura pack

[undone flower]

causese WAs is an option if it's just heroic, but so many things to turn off

[fading sky]

Yeah dont bother just to much info

[coarse nest]

My guild uses “northern sky” it works very well and is updated often

[fading sky]

Same

[coarse nest]

For solo pugging I’d probably just pick up limits

[fickle cedar]

yeah runs pretty well, a lot of packs are kinda bad performance wise

[coarse nest]

Most NA** pugs run liquid pack

[fading sky]

Limit?

[coarse nest]

Oh sorry I’m old

Liquid

[undone flower]

[fading sky]

Truue

Fury is atm limited

[undone flower]

best RWF were in bfa

[fading sky]

Give of

Powa!

Give it chance to reset😂

On execute use

[plush maple]

I like WA early because it helps with learning having descriptive icons etc show up (You guys know how they work), only like bigwigs timers style when I want to confirm time for something later on in season when I've learned basically everything

[fickle cedar]

use the timeline WA, its probably the best way to process fight timers

[plush maple]

As I keep the timers from bigwigs tucked away to side of screen as they bother me anywhere near the middle

[plush maple]

Might give this a try

[fickle cedar]

I suppose I'm gonna have to craft a ring when the turbo boost comes in, bye bye cyrce

[undone flower]

for raid WAs it is more personal, if you like bars, text, icons, circles etc, you need to configure the pack the way you want it to be, if you don't, it is a christmas tree on your screen

[marble pilot]

Im probably runnign cyrce and picking up heroic jastor cause im a trash tier casual aotc gamer

[coarse nest]

I’m so excited for cyrcle to be unequiped

[marble pilot]

Its either jastor or hero Best in slots for offhand

[edgy widget]

circlet does get outpaced, though you'll probably want to upgrade other things before spending a lot of currency on that

[edgy widget]

you're probably better off just using a crafted offhand over buying heroic Slots

[coarse nest]

It’s only 26 +12s next week

Ez no life

[marble pilot]

Would have to craft a second. Have a crafted mainhand right now

[fickle cedar]

isnt it faster to rush 10s ?

[edgy widget]

you can do that!

[marble pilot]

Yeah I will have 2 sparks next week. Was saving just in case. Still likely to take hero jastor as first item

[edgy widget]

just depends on what else you'll spend sparks on

[plush maple]

Kinda like christmas trees :)

[undone flower]

I did the planning for next reset, it will be around 15 hours of dungeon for me Wednesday

[coarse nest]

12s with guild group will be more efficient than 10s you get 20 crests each and guild group usually pretty solid

[fickle cedar]

dont forget to upgrade the other crests into gilded

[fickle cedar]

yeah thats fair

[undone flower]

Not on your screen because you will grow the bad habit of ignoring things, which is the total opposite of what the WAs are for

[marble pilot]

Running double crafted weapons feels bad. But it is likely my best weapons. Unless I get a myth track weapon from this vault

[edgy widget]

yeah you should be able to get around 100 gilded or so just from uptrading everything

[fickle cedar]

its gonna be a long reset day

[marble pilot]

Either way Jastor is mos tlikely my best item for week 1

[coarse nest]

Already off Wednesday

[plush maple]

Didn't know you could uptrade crests

[coarse nest]

Yep right next to the upgrade vendor in dornagal

[marble pilot]

So much to do this weekend. Chain +10s and do my delves. Im behind on crests right now. I have space for like 200 more

[undone flower]

We will be just 2 so I’ll go in 10s, I would spam 12s if I were full group

[fickle cedar]

pulling up to raid at 682 ilvl 😎

[coarse nest]

5am to 5pm

My body is ready

[smoky vale]

or just slowly get the crests

lol

[undone flower]

NO

[marble pilot]

Only have 3 days to max out. Cant spend all season on it

[undone flower]

I need to be 684 before the raid

[coarse nest]

Nah hyper fixate on grinding them all out first week so I can go back to raid logging and chill

Only non myth track pieces for me are both trinkets

[marble pilot]

Im missing a few still. But im a heroic raider and still fairly new to m+. Only done 1 +12 so far

[undone flower]

Speedrun the dinar quest like an addict

[fickle cedar]

btw buy upgrade crafting mats now before reset

[smoky vale]

yeah

[marble pilot]

Yeah get your mats before reset

[coarse nest]

First dinar purchase is best in slots

[marble pilot]

Recrafting weapon is just the new item right? Or do we need bars again as well

[coarse nest]

You’ll need som mats

[marble pilot]

Lame

[coarse nest]

I’ll probably do
Weapon > helm/chest/legs > neck > crafts

Then fill out the off pieces at that point

[undone flower]

yeah i'll up my pacemaker after the helm/legs/chest and do exact same as you

[marble pilot]

Ill get a Jastors. Then vault. If vault has 2h myth track them in golden. If not then I have to craft a second weapon and upgrade all the crafted stuff.
Then i lvl pumping I think

[edgy widget]

I'll have a lil priority post in #updates-midnight come Tuesday for the people who havent been agonizing over what to buy for the last two weeks

[marble pilot]

Goated

[coarse nest]

Best in slots > House of Cards > hold for jastor

[edgy widget]

but yeah it's pretty simple
M Slots > Jastor > Kezan/Cards/Seaforium > M Punishment > H Slots (only if you really feel like you can't get/craft a weapon elsewhere)

[coarse nest]

[marble pilot]

I need to make sure my 1-2% upgrades are in the right order

[coarse nest]

Real

[smoky vale]

where is cockenstock

[coarse nest]

I really really hope I see a locknstalk in vault Tuesday

[edgy widget]

with the other trinkets? I don't think it's good enough to buy over the others though

obviously everyone's case is going to be a little bit different, but it shouldn't be that hard to extrapolate

[coarse nest]

Or a HoC or best in slots ofc

[smoky vale]

that thing crankssd

[edgy widget]

it's decent, but it's not OP, and it's not as universal as other trinkets

[smoky vale]

thats also true

[coarse nest]

We only get 3 dinar so it really depends on what you currently have but like first 3 are basically hard locked in if you don’t have any of them
And that’s mythic versions of slots HoC jastor

So no room for buying an eye or lock n stalk

Gotta vault atleast one of the 5 to be fully happy

Or get lucky

Except you’re a warrior so you don’t get raid drop loot

[smoky vale]

got it in vault

[coarse nest]

Full myth raid vault this week surely good item!

[marble pilot]

Im not getting mythic. I havnt been an cutting edge raider since legion.
Jastors first is easy. Then in 2-3 weeks when we get the next ill be in a fully different gear and its harder to tell. Sims will say

[fading sky]

Jastors hc is prob my first

Then prayge for us to kill bandit within 9 weeks( not likely)😆

[marble pilot]

Seeing as my team just did our first heroic gally pulls i doubt im seeing mythic bandit lol

And im not paying for a carry

[coarse nest]

Looking grim but never say never

We’re getting TURBO BOOSTED!!!

[marble pilot]

I could attempt to pug it if I end up with time. Im not scared of the content. I just dont have the time to deal with mythic raiding these days.
Was much easier as a 16-21 year old. Then life gets in the way

Now its work and wife and kids and its just hard to justify the time and stress of mythic raids. When heroics are still fun.

[coarse nest]

If you have decent old logs just find yourself a 6 hour 2 day guild

Pretty chill

Late season CE but still getting it done

[marble pilot]

Im on a 1 night 3 hour raid right now. Im happy enough with aotc. Really this is my first season back since Archimonde in legion and that was CE.

I do still like to min max what I can with heroic/m+ gear though

[fading sky]

No point playing if u dont min max gear // effort😊

[fiery edge]

maaaaaan going back to MT

[edgy widget]

if you're not getting Myth raid stuff, then you still probably want Jastor (depending on whether you're farming for it yourself), Cards, and Pacemaker

Cards could go either way, since it's just Heroic, but its still a really good M+ trinket

[marble pilot]

Yeah im lucky enough to have a Myth track pacemaker already.
I for sure have Jastor as my first pickup. Then itll be a bit till I need to decide again anyway. I could naturally get a hero track cards/bis before that.
And always have the option to craft a second weapon. My only downside of getting rid of my champ track best in slots is I dont have any use trinkets right now lol. I got reverb radio/pacemaker. And I sub in an eye when the fight makes sense

[edgy widget]

the slots on use is nice, but it's not nearly as good as trinket on use

[undone flower]

And even if it’s not CE, plenty 2 days does 7/8 or 6/8 at the end, if it is fun for ppl to mythic raid, it is fun whatever they get CE or not

[edgy widget]

and ilvl still matters in OH, which is why its' not really worth going for less than M version of Slots

[marble pilot]

Yeah makes sense. I am likely getting hero track jastor. And crafting a second weapon for offhand. Then ill need to find a use trinket somewhere to pair with pacemaker. Ideally a house of cards.

[edgy widget]

depends on what you might loot between now and then too; aside from next week, we're still talking 3 vaults in between each purchase

[marble pilot]

Yeah lots of vault slots.

Vault could have either a myth trinket or 2her as well which simplifies things

[fading sky]

Dont forget

To do 2/4 delves

Each week for lens

[solemn widget]

What’s the deal on the belt we are supposed to be getting?

[fading sky]

Its a belt

We gonna wear it

If it goes to 700

[edgy widget]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/testing-the-durable-information-securing-container-disc-belt-coming-in-patch-11-376796

[royal copper]

I’m surprised how well and easy Fury is in Raid! - rocking that meter..

Used to play m+ only

[stiff hill]

does anyone have experience playing fury on 160+ ms? i play on eu from na and just wondering if it's playable/enjoyable

[royal copper]

160ms ? It’s playable..

You can barely feel it tbh

[stiff hill]

ok nice, was just wondering bc outlaw is kinda unplayable for me with the BTE windows

[royal copper]

BTE?

[winter shoal]

You might want to fiddle with your spell queue window but shouldn't be THAT big of a deal. You don't have nearly as low a gcd as outlaw, nor as severe a punishment for fucking up

BTE outside of subterfuge is omega despair

[stiff hill]

how can i do that? i've never fucked with any of that stuff

[stiff hill]

between the eyes

[royal copper]

Just play on a normal windows machine - no reason to be fancy pancy with strange operation software like Android keeps crashing.

Windows and iOS just works

[royal copper]

Ohh thought it was some kinda operation system hahaha

[edgy widget]

haters will meme, but Fury has some of the smoothest gameplay

proof that a class doesn't necessarily need to be complicated in order to be fun and engaging

[royal copper]

15 to 70 ms is perfect
100 to 180 ms - is just fine not even noticeable
200 to 300 ms - noticeable
350 + and over… - unplayable

[winter shoal]

Don't remember off the top my head but there are some console commands that'll print the value (400ms by default) and set it to what you want. Just mess with it until you find a value that feels good and doesn't cause you to have gaps between globals

[royal copper]

I enjoy playing warrior - but also I don’t raid normally, I love playing m+ - and compared to how much they suck dry balls clean in m+ I’m very surprised

[stiff hill]

ok nice gonna look into it, thank you!

[winter shoal]

I'd argue fury is still complicated in the sense of wordup's video, but that complexity doesn't materially alter gameplay decisions in many cases

It's like the bell curve meme

Left side "lol fury 3 button spec"

Middle "mfe stacks and AJ and bloodcraze reee"

Right side "lol fury 3 button spec"

Thank you for coming to my Ted talk

[junior gale]

The game could use more simplification. There's a reason why BM and Ret are one of the most popular specs

And it's not just because of theme

[tawny wing]

More importantly does making myself an attractive elf and putting that in my note when applying to m+ help with being accepted to groups

[winter shoal]

100%

[tawny wing]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-cute-go-cheering-rage-gif-16641949

[royal copper]

My GF plays Paladin…

She started playing mid season one this year… better logs than mine, and higher m+ keys :((

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/silvermoon/pangl?zone=43

[tawny wing]

Don't worry. Anyone worse than you is a noob and anyone better has no life

there is no middle ground

[junior gale]

Dungeon parses arent real but yeah that's how it goes play an easy class and do dmg

I wouldn't worry to much about it. It's a game play what's fun to you

[sleek nexus]

technicaly the middle ground is the “you” in this case, no?

[edgy widget]

I mean... to a point - with respect to Wordup (and we actually had a whole conversation about this before making his video), some complication is good

People tend to overblow things too. Fury's "complication" isn't nearly as complicated as people make it out to be

• you don't really need the complicated Sudden Death tracker that Arms uses, since Execute will naturally fill in the rotation anyway
• tracking one debuff (MfE) isn't much of a burden
• tracking Ashen isn't really necessary since it lasts a good amount of time, Fury uses a lot of execute procs, and AJ doesn't have the same impact on DPS as Arms Jugg does
• Even Bloodcraze can be ignored; while it feels bad that you'd overcap and lose some stacks, just using BT as a natural filler when you can't RB plays within a percent or so of min/maxing it

I mean there's a reason that the basic Blizz assist rotation plays within 95% without tracking anything

[junior gale]

Fury is generally a pretty popular spec which I feel like follows the trend of the really popular specs are generally pretty simple and easy

Which I think overall fury is pretty simple

[edgy widget]

The real complication in WoW is things like Enh Shaman having three wholly different rotations within its spec talent tree

or things like Rogues having 20 something debuffs cluttering the bar, when in reality only a couple of them actually matter

[dense elbow]

The real complication in WoW is the social dynamics you weave in between

[dense elbow]

I think you underestimate the pull of the fantasy of the:

• Holy Templar
• The Legolas with pets

They are really popular archetypes, almost as popular as: Man with sword.

[edgy widget]

there are a couple things that could afford to change with Warriors, but on the whole, it's probably the least complicated class in the game

I wouldn't go so far as to call it the "standard" because there are some areas where Wars aren't complicated enough, but it is very much a range: some complexity is good

e.g. Warrior talents are a little too universal, wherein every build uses nearly all of the same talents that are universally strong, only changing 1-2

• This leads to very little variety or difference in feel between different builds/activities and could definitely be a little bit more varied

as mentioned previously though, Enhancement is on the complete other end of that range, with three or four completely distinct builds that have very little overlap or familiarity between them

• this gives players a lot more to keep up with, in a way that is generally a little too complicated for someone not highly invested

another question is just how intuitive it is, which can be a tricky question when you've got so many passive effects flying around

[shut gust]

Can we ask, what is Your take on how should blizz fix the aoe issue with fury in m+? 🙂

[summer quail]

i'm not archi, but usually it's not that big of a problem because the dungeons don't have insane aoe pulls. this season is different

[junior gale]

They play a part in it fo sure but I think the simplistic solid gameplay plays a bigger part. Theres a reason why ret didn't explode until the DF rework.

[dense elbow]

Perhaps, while they got booms, as all fotm things when they are new or OP - Paladin has always been a popular main/alt class in my circles. They just love that whole holy warrior vibe

[junior gale]

Another good one to look at is DH

[dense elbow]

Same with Druid and Hunter, no matter how good or bad it is, it got a ton of ppl who just enjoy palying them for world content (if not viable in m+)

[junior gale]

When released it was massively popular and was the most played spec for many years. Until it started getting needlessly complicated especially with all the movement

[edgy widget]

I mean most of it is just general tuning; the biggest hit this season is they took a lot of power out of Bladestorm (which they recently returned) and Odyn's Fury in favor of buffing rotational abilities

[junior gale]

Ppl saw the 18 step opener and called it quits

[edgy widget]

Spriest vibes lol

I meme on them a lot but every time I've looked at their opener it was a million steps long and I'm just like...

https://tenor.com/view/nacho-libre-why-but-gif-23595404

[junior gale]

Yeah it's a lot better now

I think Havoc is actually in a great spot

Best it's ever been imo

[dense elbow]

I am happy as long opener for Fury is: Odyn's Fury, Bladestorm, profit

Simple, and simple is fun

[edgy widget]

You'd be surprised how much of my feedback over the years has been dedicated to keeping Warriors relatively simple - pushing back against unintuitive and needless complexity

and some people have lamented the fact, because some people (especially the highly invested players who dedicate insane amounts of time to the game) do enjoy it but it also drives away players who aren't... and here we are

[shut gust]

As far as I have seen with my sims, even after the recent bladestorm buff, it is not better than Ravager on Mountain Thane

[junior gale]

Yeah I think simple is good and just small things that can be used to express skill

Like collateral dmg for arms

[glossy vigil]

same

[olive wraith]

I’m pretty sure Archi just classified the bs buff as a raid buff

[edgy widget]

Simple can be good, but I don't like to see it in terms of simple vs complicated; I like to think about whether something is straightforward vs unintuitive

[olive wraith]

And that thane was still superior for constant aoe

[edgy widget]

something can be complicated but still straightforward, and that's fine (to a degree)

likewise something can be simple but unintuitive, which is still bad

[dense elbow]

I get that 'skill expression is fun', but I just want simple and fun. If I wanted more complicated, I would play something else.

Personally I prefer the fun of simplicity and fluidity of the specs.

[junior gale]

Like you can brain off just consume your collateral whenever but a warrior knowing when to save it vs send it will have an impact on their dmg

[edgy widget]

skill expression is fun, but it needs to be understandable - is it really expressing skill if the "skill" is just a knowledge check about some obscure interaction?

[junior gale]

Simple just feels better too especially when your doing harder content and you need brain power to be used elsewhere.

That's kinda why I'm having more fun pushing high keys on ret than colossus

[edgy widget]

there's a general term for this kind of thing in design spaces - "tribal knowledge"
e.g. knowledge that is only known to the tribe, which if you were an outsider you'd have no way of knowing or understanding because the game doesn't do a good job of telling you

and that's not something you ever really fix, it's not really possible to eliminate it completely no matter how simple your game is, but it is something you can be vigilant to curb the worst of

[shut gust]

Fury is really fun to play nowadays, simply smooth (maybe even my favourite in the last 18 years with warrior), the gameplay feels really good. Until there is a mega pull in m+ 😅

[junior gale]

I still miss RA fury tho

[dense elbow]

Gameplay is great for sure. Our CDs just lack impact on press.

[junior gale]

Shit was so satisfying

I really dislike how they tied RA back to reck

[edgy widget]

that was part of the whole "decomplication" thing

[dense elbow]

Not really sure why I dont enjoy RA. I enjoy RA UF procs, but I dont enjoy RA itself. It just activates a period where I am not to press rampage, bladestorm and execute. It just... feels wrong.

[edgy widget]

Probably because that is wrong, because you do press Rampage, Bladestorm, and Execute

• Execute has a whole different set of problems though, since you're not prioritizing it anyway in or out of RA

[dense elbow]

Fair, unhinged casts BBs, still. It just feels off to me.

[summer quail]

idk, i don't think old RA was that special(not that the new one is either) you just pressed cb and then bb before every rampage

[junior gale]

it felt very satisfying to me

[edgy widget]

Well you're an extremely opinionated person on a good day, so I'm not gonna bother getting into perceived misconceptions

[junior gale]

a simple 123

[edgy widget]

but you do press Execute about the same as you do outside of RA (which to be fair is still pretty limited, but that's not RA's fault), you definitely press Bladestorm since you get more BB casts than you lose, and Rampage priority changes a bit, but you literally have to press it for Enrage regardless

[dense elbow]

Do you enjoy the UF procs tho, Frozen?

[junior gale]

what UF procs

[dense elbow]

I did enjoy them, was like happy little procs of damage, that made the RA package feel a bit better.

[junior gale]

prob more noticeable when playing RA but I havent touched new RA

[dense elbow]

Wonder if I would dislike UF procs as much as I dislike reap procs, if it was actually a meta pick and decided if you did damage or not.

I prob enjoy it cause it is so low impact and just helps to give some minor variance on the numbers.

[shut gust]

Yeah... Me too. I miss those hard hits due to RA. But at least we play a bit different build for a season. Felt good to play anger management again after long time. We just can't have both worlds in the same time I guess.

[edgy widget]

I really wanted RA to be the go-to single target build and AM to be the go-to multitarget/M+ one

but even if that's the intent, hitting that mark is often easier said than done

[dense elbow]

Anyone found out what the idea for the new TT was, in what scenario it is supposed to be useful?

[edgy widget]

just another area where tuning and design don't mesh

lowering the rage cost of Rampage and CD of BT might be good in a world where Rampage and BT were highly prioritized, but RB is used over BT and you're flooded with rage anyway during CDs

[junior gale]

well thats just a tuning thing which is w/e I was just more about the whole change to RA from being after rampage casts to now you only get them while in reck

[edgy widget]

not to mention that the longer duration of Berserkers gets you as many or more extra Bloodthirsts than Titan would anyway

[shut gust]

Just wanted to also say that

TT feels a bit obsolete because of this

[edgy widget]

Yeah; on a hypothetical level it could be a good talent, but the current priority just doesn't support it

[dense elbow]

I am just waiting for the tierset that makes us grab this:

[edgy widget]

I think it was a neat idea, though definitely needs some polish

[edgy widget]

Each tick of Bladestorm/Ravager increases your damage done by 5% stacking up to 20 times.

[shut gust]

I really hope there will be also something done with Fury over 5 targets. On higher keys we are just destroyed by most of the classes. (Because of higher pulls)

[dense elbow]

It is pretty grim, but all we need are some buffs to Odyn's and Storm, and we should be good to go.

We aint that far behind on overall in keys.

Problem is being booted from keys, after doing the first two AoE pulls of the dungeon - for doing low dam

[shut gust]

It's grim: https://mythicstats.com/dps

[dense elbow]

That a link to another tierlist page?

[junior gale]

[shut gust]

Its high keys statistic based on warcraftlogs . They are sad facts.

[dense elbow]

Seems to support my opinion that we are about 10% behind where we should be to be healthy for M+.

Buff OF 125% and that is a +5-6%, buff BS another 30% and we get another 3-4%.

We reached our goal

[rich veldt]

give us 3 weapons

uncapped aoe

[wanton isle]

Dual wield two fury warrior gnomes

[rich veldt]

i dont wanna flex but this week i did 4 delves and a heroic dungeon for vault

[shut gust]

Roronoa Zoro style? 😂

[rich veldt]

thats how interested i am in the season

[olive wraith]

First time since dragon flight I went arms

[shut gust]

Yeah... Colossus playstyle just feels less enjoyable. Even if numbers approve it.

[olive wraith]

I like demolish

[flat river]

isn't this just basically reverting last weeks buff

XD

[dense elbow]

If you play Thane, you can throw down two ravs at the same time

big stonks

big AoE

[edgy widget]

I actually enjoy Colossus quite a bit since the Colossal Might & Battlelord changes

[smoky vale]

Them killing execute on colossus was no fun

killed my curse prot builds

[dense elbow]

On Pwarrior, that was a true feelsbad

[flat river]

its official boiz we're worse than aug

[smoky vale]

we always were dummy

[flat river]

shut up gala57

[smoky vale]

but i mean it unironically

[dense elbow]

We been worse than Aug for what, a month?

It is just now they started to push up score

[smoky vale]

0 augs were doing +16s were and bug abusing

[flat river]

yeah but now it shows on rankings

[smoky vale]

aug bug abusing easily beat fury

[dense elbow]

Didnt even need any bugs, wdum. If you got decent dam and aug the OP ones, you gonna win.

It is kinda like how our best AoE ability, is battle shout, as we buff the real DPS

[shut gust]

Fury even on mountain thane is really competitive on bossfights. The issue is with the trash pulls...(M+)

[dense elbow]

Dont worry, if you complain about fury, we know you talking about M+

The raiders still got copium storages left for their tanks

M+ers ran out months ago

[stoic loom]

Some guy here said we're balanced for full bis

And that once we have full mythic we pump

Insane cope

[dense elbow]

We scale with gear?

We scale with gear

[fading sky]

Kek

[orchid dagger]

Not since what vanilla?

[fading sky]

We get 2 rare weapons guys!

Thats why

[dense elbow]

We?

[stoic loom]

The 2 mythic cantrip weapons gonna close the gap, trust

[fading sky]

100%

[summer quail]

holy moly wotlk cope mentality

[fading sky]

Faith

[orchid dagger]

I only trust DN

[fading sky]

The 0.3% from punisher

[dense elbow]

Sigh...

Trust DN, what?

[fading sky]

And 0.8 from bis

In st

[orchid dagger]

DEEZ NUTS

[fading sky]

🤡

[dense elbow]

gottemmm

[orchid dagger]

GOTTEM

[dense elbow]

Ya lads dont get it tho, we scale with gear, so it isnt 0.8% and 0.2%, it combines into 1%, then gets mulitplied by our gearslots and futher amplified by our 2hander Weapon Damage stat and finally, our baseline swing timer

In total, it isnt 1%, it is closer to 12%

[fading sky]

Ye only some benefit more from bis

Like ret

[dense elbow]

Ya forgot ring too - so we actually close to a 20% dam increase.

[forest owl]

damn we gonna be ballin soon

[dense elbow]

Remember, as other AP classes get gear, they do more dam, meaing our Battle Shout gains us even more actual value

Holey moley, we talking about at least 30-40% more dam in BiS gear

We scale with gear

[fading sky]

I mean the times when theres a jailor esque weap

We can have in hc ohand

We poggin on prog

😅

[dense elbow]

You mean times where we get balanced around a weapon we could get? Like the legendary, being super undertuned all the way, and even with others, when we get it?

fun times.

[fading sky]

Were we though with jailor weap?

I cant remember

[dense elbow]

All I remember is that BDK pumped something silly in M+ and put DPS to shame

DPS aside, I am impressed how the %dam breakdown are similar

[edgy widget]

Reap should not be nearly that high over the course of a M+

[dense elbow]

Reap giweth, reap taketh away

[dense pebble]

anyone have wrong stance WA friends ?

[sly crane]

https://wago.io/mEbgU8kZ0

[dense pebble]

ty

[south kayak]

They annoucned legion remix

Now I can get guldan mounts

[flat river]

link?

[dense elbow]

#news

[south kayak]

M+ in remix

sheesh

We doing 50+ keys

[dense elbow]

We? Nah, we aint. The other classes are

[flat river]

XD

[flat river]

whos we, why u speaking french

[south kayak]

lmao

[coarse nest]

@undone flower French mentioned

[undone flower]

CHIBRAX

[unkempt nova]

For fury in M+ is good to sim Patchwork or Dungeon Slice?

[floral axle]

Hello guys, can anyone explain briefly the new m+ bladestorm slayer build?

[junior gale]

press bladestorm and spin

[frank dawn]

it's just the same build isn't it

just actually kind of playable now

[floral axle]

yeah but like what to prioritize other than rampage? is bloodthirst now higher prio than raging blow?

[past knoll]

is bladestorm playable ?

[floral axle]

apparently yeah

[frank dawn]

It’s about as playable as the other C tier alternative

[dense elbow]

There is a new M+ slayer build? =.=

[past knoll]

have screen of build ?

[frank dawn]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/talent-builds-pve-dps#mythicplus-build-slayer-more-burst

You can move the ashen jug point into whatever if you want

[junior gale]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237303208754286715 any of the guides in here can help you with this question

[frank dawn]

I was doom trolling about being ranked below Aug on Archon now. My guild mates were inspired and I feel I should share

[whole yacht]

i love this

[south kayak]

Can't believe blizzard is ok with fury doing damage to 5 targets in aoe

[modest condor]

yeah change it to 3

[sullen dove]

preach

[south kayak]

real

[fickle cedar]

📈 theather 1st boss damage

[dense fulcrum]

if arms wasn't that dogshit to play...

[tight idol]

I think arms is in a decent spot other then colat dmg

[plush maple]

Change it to 2, Main target and Focus target only

That's what you would call prority damage

[past knoll]

what if fury can damage 8 targets

[remote bobcat]

its not and you're coping out of your mind

clunky yeah but not dogshit

[dense fulcrum]

eh dog shit to play

not dogshit spec huh

who said that

[olive wraith]

What’s clunky about it. Cleave and demolish

[nocturne salmon]

i checked the rotation/prio on wowhead and i noticed you use Slam as the last resort filler in st as slayer and you dont use it at all as thane?

[smoky vale]

yeah

slam ww tc are the last resorts

[nocturne salmon]

ait

i can safely remove it from my m+ build then as its not in the rotation/priolist for thane?

[modest condor]

you only use slam if you're not talented into whirlwind talents

[edgy widget]

That’s good, but I’d make it nighthold or antorus lol, with CoF and Draught

[flat river]

real

[tepid cedar]

@dense elbow funny tank build lol

[olive wraith]

wtf is that

[junior gale]

A good prot warrior going full dmg mode

[hardy bluff]

based warrior tank dam

[modest condor]

i like how you're playing almost full meta dps and none of them are doing damage

[tepid cedar]

lolz

[junior gale]

usually how it is

[hardy bluff]

no dh so no damage..

[modest condor]

true actually

[tepid cedar]

well, kinda lmy vault cuause i held W the entire way and never checked thewir cds

[modest condor]

imagine if they had dh, instantly 4mil+ dps

[hardy bluff]

so true

[flat river]

real

[modest condor]

which key was it?

[tepid cedar]

only a 10 cinder for vault

[modest condor]

oh a +10 yeah cant do big dps in that with ramp specs

[tepid cedar]

the amount of fuckery in 10s now. im bvetter off tanking to get it done quickly lol

[modest condor]

the one time this season i had to pug to fill my vault i did +12s

[tepid cedar]

yea someone said earlier to do 12s

[modest condor]

still wasnt the most succesful, we managed to deplete a clean rookery because of lack of dps lol

[tepid cedar]

said its easier thna 10s lol

damn that was a fuckton dps and wasnt even a 100 parse on a a10

[hardy bluff]

just list your key and you can make a full team of 670 people

in like 2 seconds

dont join 10s

always 1 rat

[modest condor]

4 rats*

[tepid cedar]

next weeek is easy gold though!!

@modest condor

have u checked the buffs on the coprrupted shit?

[modest condor]

you mean what they sim like now?

[tepid cedar]

yea

[modest condor]

i havent but archi has

[thick fossil]

Most are between 1-3% Providing they don't tune them anymore.

So far it still looks like the stats one is the best.

[static rock]

I wish the corruptions functioned at least a little bit like they used to, all the effects are just proc chances with a base damage, CSHB was so nice in BFA

[burnt kelp]

CSHB was an azerite power

I think

[modest condor]

it was

[tepid cedar]

they got a 50% buff i belive

the void one seems ot be the ebst one all around

[thick fossil]

Yeah, Void ritual. It's just more stats.

They were less than 1% before the buff. lol

They don't want a repeat of BFA.

[royal copper]

https://tenor.com/view/timjayz-true-lol-funny-clap-gif-890086272992151336

[tepid cedar]

so i was looking at our APL.

actions.slayer+=/bladestorm,if=buff.enrage.up&(talent.reckless_abandon&cooldown.avatar.remains>=24|talent.anger_management&cooldown.recklessness.remains>=18)

when running sims, there is no check for avatar at all. so basically, if ur blade Storm is 5 sec from cd, reckless is over 18..... say avatar is 9 seconds from cd. the sims are just sending blade storm vs holding 4 extra seconds to cast avatar and BS.

wouldent it be a dps gain to hold those 4 seconds?

[static rock]

So, is slayer actually contending with mountain thane in mythic+? Cause I've been seeing a ton of Slayers sims and questions

[tepid cedar]

no

is beter but stil behind.

[static rock]

btw, is that sim in ST or aoe?

[tepid cedar]

would be for bioth

since its the same code/condition

[static rock]

It's doing that for both ST and AOE?

[tepid cedar]

yea. so it may be more dps or it may be a dps loss. depends how min maxed it is

[static rock]

I mean, it might be that it's more damage if you use BS right before popping avatar, then use avatar for normal rotation

[tepid cedar]

thatsn a question mainly for personal knowledge,

yea

its what im thinking

[static rock]

Is it popping reck with BS?

[tepid cedar]

this is during a fight

not an opener

or when both reck and av are back before bs

[static rock]

So it's holding reck and av til after BS?

[tepid cedar]

lol no u misunderstood

so mid fight. reck is on cd with say 30 seconds. however BS is, say 5seconds, and avatar is, say 9 seocnds,

it wil pop BS. vs holding BS for 4 seconds to get that dmg buff from ava

[fickle cedar]

I suppose it could depend, I usually just send it in that case but maybe you could also consider if this is the last avatar of the fight or not

If its the last then wait 5s to combo with BS, otherwise just send to get another one later before boss dies

[tepid cedar]

yea its what im thinking

[static rock]

Yeah, can't imagine waiting would bring more value than just sending, are these sims with Raid ST in mind? If so, the only thing I can think of is if the boss is at <35% health, in which case then holding for like 5 seconds might be more beneficial

Cause that's 20% damage and 100% crits with BT, combined with VC talents, is a huge multiplier, as apposed to just 100% crits on 20% beefier BTs

[tepid cedar]

i might do a custom apl sim see what happens

dps loss

dont holdf

[modest condor]

what did you change the line to?

[tepid cedar]

bootlegged it to also have a check for ava above =>4

it was 6.88

and 6.81 with the change

[modest condor]

yeah but what was the line

[tepid cedar]

one sec

(talent.reckless_abandon&cooldown.avatar.remains>=24|talent.anger_management&cooldown.recklessness.remains>=20|talent.anger_management&cooldown.avatar.remains>=5)

since im not sure can do

(talent.reckless_abandon&cooldown.avatar.remains>=24|talent.anger_management&cooldown.recklessness.remains>=20&cooldown.avatar.remains>=5)

wel actually u can

[modest condor]

one reason i can think of that it's simming as a dps loss is, say, reck has 30 seconds cooldown when bs comes off cooldown, with the standard apl it will send bladestorm and start cooling it down again, while your custom line makes it hold for a couple of seconds, at which point the cooldown of reck is less than 20 seconds so it will hold for that as well

maybe a better way to write it would be adding a check for reck being up somehow

[tepid cedar]

yea, well isaw they chanegs reck from 24 to 18 sec

[modest condor]

or no wait

because of the way you wrote it

[tepid cedar]

which is why i was asking. i went to dummies to try out 18 sec

[modest condor]

talent.anger_management&cooldown.avatar.remains>=5

just overrides

talent.anger_management&cooldown.recklessness.remains>=20

like sure the condition for reck cooldown isnt true yet, but the one for avatar is

so it just sends it

[tepid cedar]

and i noticed at one point i had reck on cd, bs was used with ava coming of cd in 4 sec

so made me wonder

(talent.reckless_abandon&cooldown.avatar.remains>=24|talent.anger_management&cooldown.recklessness.remains>=20&cooldown.avatar.remains>=10)

this line works as well and modiying jsut avatar is changing the total

[modest condor]

like let's say reck is on cooldown for 15 more seconds and avatar is on cooldown for 40 more seconds, in this scenario you would want to hold bs for reck because of the second condition, but because of the third condition it's sending it anyway with reck not up

[tepid cedar]

so for test purpses only i set avatar to 40

[queen panther]

So would having 2 max crafted weapons be better then 1 max crafted and heroic B-I-S?

[tepid cedar]

this is avatar at 2

which is actually

this is standard

i tried bun ch of values

and 2 is actually a dps increase, IF u get it in that timeframe

but 2 seconds for such a smal increase. blahh

i was wondering about roar as well. as some ppl like to pres roar before BS. actual dps decrease aaccording to sims doing it that way

[modest condor]

you're supposed to use roar outside of reck

also this is what i get for bladestorm with different avatar cooldown remains http://puu.sh/KtgDL/bb7081ddb2.png

[tepid cedar]

i just got the same things

hahaha

thats kind of interesting

lets try 5 targets

so 4 sec i got a dps increase in 5t. might be the play to hold if adds are involved

[late wing]

Is there a rework planned for the fury aoe ? Kinda sad to only hit 5 targets when everyone else can smash the whole dungeon at once

[fair swallow]

welcome to the waiting room, check back when they announce plans for 11.2

warriors just need a rework in general

[keen kindle]

Warrior will never get a rework

Maybe prot

Cuz blizz cares more about tanks in general then they do warriors

[orchid dagger]

Fuck Brown Class - Blizzard

[late wing]

So I have to choose between having fun and doing damage

[marble pilot]

I dont really want a rework. The closest thing id be excited for is gladiator

Though I do agree something needs to happen with m+ tuning. But there are a lot of ways to solve that

[orchid dagger]

We aren't getting Gladiator/Glad Stance, as much as I'd kill someone for it

Best you can do is play pvp Prot and bully some shitter into crying on the forums

[marble pilot]

Sword and board DPS is the best thing. I don't know why it doesn't exist

Or spear and shield. You know like every soldier in history before guns had.

[orchid dagger]

Because Blizzard cried when they had to actually balance the fucking thing, and it didn't fit neatly into their "this spec is X role"

[orchid dagger]

That only was in Wrath with Fury tanking

[marble pilot]

Well yeah I know why gladiator went away. But they can do a different shield DPS. Id swap to any class that is shield plus a weapon dps

[orchid dagger]

Just play pvp with Prot War or Pally

[marble pilot]

Not the same. But I get that it unlikely to ever come back

[orchid dagger]

Oppressor > the Swifty macro > ggez

[marble pilot]

And I do love fury so all good.

[young swan]

lol

[orchid dagger]

Fury is fun, but it's not good

[sullen dove]

oh nah what kinda tag does blud have

[orchid dagger]

RIP Death Sentence and mages crying that we have as many charges as they do escapes

[young swan]

theres so many good ones now

[fiery edge]

slayer uses frenzied rage?

[young swan]

yeah

[fiery edge]

feels giga sweaty

[young swan]

if u want it to be slower/have better burst u can play powerful

the difference isnt very much

[fiery edge]

what's the opener for slayer like?

also i'm coping with the M+ slayer build, just testing

[smoky vale]

wrecking throw reck ava charge bt rampage bs rb until out roar

ig also missing a ww

[fiery edge]

wrecking throw?

[young swan]

u dont need to do that

for ao

e

[fiery edge]

aint that pvp shiii

[smoky vale]

wrecking charge

[young swan]

no

just pop ur shit, charge, ww mid charge, roar, ramp, bs, aoe rotation

[fiery edge]

aight

[fiery edge]

full roar or 2pts in execute?

[young swan]

i dont particularly like taking the roar capstones but u can

i also dont do m+ at anything higher than like

12

[wooden junco]

I had a question about dual specs... if I don't have the stats per say (more geared towards fury) is it better to run Arms vs Fury on fights where Arms does better or just do Fury which I have stats for? New warrior player.

[young swan]

u should just play whichever you prefer

prob better off with fury tho

[wooden junco]

i like both equally

thank you though!