i play the "Declined" class 😂
#fury
glossy vigil
south kayak
do you think I'd lie on the internet?
supple laurel
I won with these rolls XD (LFR)
if only I had this luck. I be rolling 2s and 5s for the past 3 weeks on normal/hcs
chilly fractal
I lost multiple LFR Jastor Diamonds but got a warbound one last week… replaced it a week later but w/e
quiet breach
don't click bad links fellas
chilly fractal
My guild has still not seen a single Heroic Jastor Diamond
Outside of people getting it in vaults
plush maple
Was about to do it :p
I reported message for spam to discord atleast
whole spear
I reported message for spam to discord atleast
Yeah thats good
quiet breach
Aww i missed it
no it was a "learn how to make 100k a month click my telegram link" thing
plush maple
Was it 50 dollar gift card
Earning 100k every month if you share 10% of profits
flat river
no it was a "learn how to make 100k a month click my telegram link" thing
Yoooo no way i wanna learn how to make 100k
chilly fractal
Well… I for one would love to learn that
plush maple
Yoooo no way i wanna learn how to make 100k
He said to first 10 people, you're 11th
whole spear
You can add me i'll only take 10% of the profit
plush maple
You snooze you lose
flat river
He said to first 10 people, you're 11th
gg
dense fulcrum
can someone send me the macro of bladestorm+stormbolt (if it was a macro) ?
cant find it
hoary hamlet
dunno if anyone macros that tbh, just hit the bind after bladestorm then you can choose focus/target123 bind or w/e
hoary hamlet
well i thought i was in the pvp channel, idk what you pve
guys do, maybe it makes sense
dense fulcrum
wanted to try use it as wowhead says for the opener, just to min max dmg on a boss we're doing tonight
its a small thing anywya
dense elbow
If you forget it, you lost 0.1% of your DPS, so I wouldnt worry about it much
edgy widget
wanted to try use it as wowhead says for the opener, just to min max dmg on a bo...
I added it for the simslave tryhards, but it's really not something you need to worry about
plush maple
Simslave Tryhards HAHAHAHA
edgy widget
there's nothing wrong with doing it, but in a M+ I'd rather save Storm Bolt to actually stun something and in a raid I'd rather spend that talent point on something more useful (like Second Wind, Honed Reflexes, even Wrecking Throw as a ranged filler)
narrow summit
Hey guys, might be a dumb question, but for second hand both HM, Bandit bis weapon or gallywix weapon ?
dense fulcrum
ye ye was just curious to use it on raid
edgy widget
Hey guys, might be a dumb question, but for second hand both HM, Bandit bis weap...
higher ilevel > Bandit > Gally > equal ilevel weapon
narrow summit
higher ilevel > Bandit > Gally > equal ilevel weapon
alright, cuz sim is telling me gally is better, idk if it takes bandit active in count
plush maple
higher ilevel > Bandit > Gally > equal ilevel weapon
Thank you for this
edgy widget
alright, cuz sim is telling me gally is better, idk if it takes bandit active in...
sounds like you made a mistake somewhere in the setup - link it
narrow umbra
guys today i got best in slots but someone told me that i shouldn't use it
is that correct
or was i mislead
radiant plank
depends on your current gear
chrome plover
well it depends what you already have
narrow umbra
radiant plank
doesnt help at all
edgy widget
if it's equal or higher level than your current weapon(s), you should absolutely use Best-in-Slots
if it's lower level than your current weapon(s), it's probably worse
see the message 4 lines up from your question
#fury message
narrow summit
sounds like you made a mistake somewhere in the setup - link it
yeah I might have
edgy widget
@narrow umbra
flat river
he's praying on your downfall madros
sullen dove
I mean why not use the reason you have the weapon
Don’t think u use it over a regular trinket with cds but if you don’t have an on use ya slam that shit with stuff
edgy widget
i meant the use effect
why would you use a weapon with an on-use effect and not use its on-use effect?
that makes zero sense
silk wharf
Ok, it sounds like the person that told you initially might have been trying to communicate that you shouldn't use the BiS effect before you use your trinket (trinket is very likely a stronger buff). As it triggers a shared cooldown with trinkets just as if you were using two on-use trinkets.
You should absolutely use the BiS on-use effect when it doesn't interfere with your trinket cooldown and usage.
edgy widget
you shouldn't use the out-of-combat effect that turns it into an Intelligence weapon, no
but i really hope that should go without saying
sullen steeple
It's a vicious cycle. You turn it into an intelligence weapon and gain the sentience to turn it back. But when you turn it back you lose that intelligence and think it's a good idea again.
dense elbow
gz on the kill tho 
BiS will wait for you in the vault
devout totem
we gonna extend id till Gally kill so no mythic vault for a few more weeks
vague sierra
BiS 
devout totem
but im gonna get it with dinars anyway
brisk flame
what is better eye of kezan hc or trinket rik reverb myth ?
marble pilot
brisk flame
i mean in general
marble pilot
Probably depends on fight length. But no idea
Eye is only good if the fight lasts long enough. Even in heroic vs heroic
brisk flame
alright thx
unreal onyx
is it recommended to get 2 myth track weapons and 2 silken for m+
with end tier gear?
modest condor
if by silken you mean duskthread yeah
wise solar
Almost the 1st 😄
fickle cedar
fk 
tawdry cradle
poggerrs
waxen vale
Almost the 1st 😄
damn thats a nice fight length. perfect even
wise solar
damn thats a nice fight length. perfect even
Yeah it was very lucky 😄
waxen vale
\o/ nice job
wise solar
\o/ nice job
❤️
mossy nimbus
Do we already know if the ilvl "turbo boost" will change the bis items e.g. ring (replace circlet) or trinkets (even if they might scale relatively the same)?
chilly fractal
When I ran sims it looked like double crafted ring at 681 was beating out Circlet and what I had at the time
But you can sim that
chilly fractal
Yea I never said Jastor
unreal onyx
I just read "double crafted" and thought no way that is gonna be bis
edgy widget
Do we already know if the ilvl "turbo boost" will change the bis items e.g. ring...
you'll replace Circlet, though it was already pretty well equaled by other max upgraded rings
other than that, not really - there may be some super min/max bis changes due to raw stat values, but nothing overly impactful or important
and that'll change again after the 11.1.7 belt comes out too so it's kinda of a big "who cares"
summer quail
and that'll change again after the 11.1.7 belt comes out too so it's kinda of a ...
there's a belt?
summer quail
i have crafted belt...
edgy widget
well you have like 5 more weeks to enjoy it
summer quail
yeah i guess i swap craft to feet then
fickle cedar
its a dont put sockets on your belt angle
edgy widget
you'll have plenty of time to get more
vapid mulch
so im on Bandit running mountain thane and i jsut realised... we're suing the new add order from tactyks vid today - no dps hold and skip last set
we dont have the unCCable adds
am i trolling running Thane?
chilly fractal
Go with your heart
quiet breach
its a dont put sockets on your belt angle
already put a socket on my belt last week
elfin harbor
Hey just started with this season 🙂 Is the machano Core Amp Trinket with 665 bis ?
And which ring/trinket should i get until i kill gally on myth? 🙂
warm crag
Hey just started with this season 🙂 Is the machano Core Amp Trinket with 665 bi...
its p good but high end myth trinkets beat it
very reasonable to just equip it and never unequip it tho
edgy widget
am i trolling running Thane?
no, but Fury as a whole takes a dive on that fight without as many add sets to slap around
Thane is still better for Reels damage and has an easier time padding adds in P2, so it's kind of a wash really
elfin harbor
its p good but high end myth trinkets beat it
oh okay cause oveall bis list shows it still.
didnt looked at icy veins though
vapid mulch
Thane is still better for Reels damage and has an easier time padding adds in P2...
thanks for the input, i guess we roll with Thane
edgy widget
oh okay cause oveall bis list shows it still.
it's still best for its ilevel, but if you've got access to M trinkets, then you'll wanna use something like LocknStock instead
edgy widget
thanks for the input, i guess we roll with Thane
fwiw, my group also swapped add sets so I'm big sad - I played Slayer and didn't find it particularly impressive, but it works as long as you're hard focusing boss and just lightly cleaving adds (you want marks on the boss)
vapid mulch
im our token bitch, so i am not going to be on the boss as much as i'd like
warm crag
oh okay cause oveall bis list shows it still.
for most purposes it is but the game is slightly more complicated than a bis list can't display
warm crag
im our token bitch, so i am not going to be on the boss as much as i'd like
you should lose nearly no uptime from dunking tokens
just leap and charge
elfin harbor
it's still best for its ilevel, but if you've got access to M trinkets, then you...
i will get myth trinkets we clear mythic always. Good to know then 🙂 thx
lyric compass
fwiw, my group also swapped add sets so I'm big sad - I played Slayer and didn't...
Without that 1st big set adds anymore, should I just send avatar onto boss or hold till next set of reel assistants?
edgy widget
Without that 1st big set adds anymore, should I just send avatar onto boss or ho...
I dunno what strat you were using, but the typical one had the big set of adds ~3m, so you sent Avatar on pull anyway
wise solar
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bWvBpX9QP4MjyTZC?fight=last&type=damage-done
Actually it works 😂
Idk if it can beat thane on higher keys as well, but he won 😄
remote bobcat
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bWvBpX9QP4MjyTZC?fight=last&type=damage-don...
skill issue
wise solar
And he is 1st with this 😄
wise solar
skill issue
Maybe yes 😄 I won't deny, that he was better. Now I am just curious if it is better in higher keys as well 😄
remote bobcat
And he is 1st with this 😄
loboz has gotten a shitton of real rank 1s in the past, getting rank1 floodgate 12 is kinda irrelevant especially when you consider that most people dont even log their keys
he's the goat after all
;)
chrome plover
washed
wise solar
I guess because packs were melt, his AOE padding is way more efficient than Thane, thats why I want to see it on higher keys, where they live more, also the bosses (his ST dmg wasn't good)
But the guy is a legend 😄
chilly fractal
he's the goat after all
That eye of the jailer is an eye sore
storm rune
fr get it together Loboz
edgy widget
more so than even in raid, M+ performance really comes down to the group
muted meteor
honest question.. lets say i have crafted weapon, wrist, cloak and ring. ive not gotten a single feet on hero track or myth would it be troll of me to craft my 5th piece of gear? XD
remote bobcat
honest question.. lets say i have crafted weapon, wrist, cloak and ring. ive not...
why would that be troll
upgrade is upgrade
muted meteor
remote bobcat
eh
elf player
the only acceptable elf is male blood elf with sephiroth transmog
muted meteor
i might change soon to night elf anyways
muted meteor
just for meld
muted meteor
tepid cedar
Void elf is the only elf
slim pollen
Gnome bis!
burnt kelp
no
sly crane
just for meld
Good idea
wise solar
Gnome bis!
My boiii
whole yacht
just for meld
i feel that
tidal kindle
Velf is only excused for mugzee prog
Velf banger for gally too (1 part of the fight)
Maybe 2 parts actually
clever belfry
Velf banger for gally too (1 part of the fight)
only if u do the cringe strat buddy
remote bobcat
Velf banger for gally too (1 part of the fight)
not excusable to switch for it
tidal kindle
only if u do the cringe strat buddy
Idk what the cringe strat is
I'm just thinking of the 1 spot at 2:45 where you bait beam and go into double soak
clever belfry
the one where the beams line up badly
clever belfry
I'm just thinking of the 1 spot at 2:45 where you bait beam and go into double s...
u got leap or not buddy
tidal kindle
Kick timing, no?
clever belfry
nah its just what slice u dunk innit
tidal kindle
Idk
clever belfry
if u end up in the center one last it should b fine
like in dratnussy vid
no running outwards around beam
tidal kindle
winter shoal
Garms didn't you guys already kill gally a while ago?
sage quiver
Any knowers, what's the name of the ret buff for when someone die
you mean old ret aura?
dense elbow
Why take you, when there is a +9ilvl option with 3.3k score?
sinful spoke
681?
dense elbow
Sure, why not
deft vessel
for bandit do yall run thane or slayer more? from my xp, on heroic only thane feels better and more fun but ive noticed the slayer execute phase damage is just nuts
deft vessel
why the difference for mythic?
sudden tusk
mythic currently has variable strats for both one armed and mugzee
winter shoal
why the difference for mythic?
Reel Assistant hp is somewhat relevant in mythic, in heroic they die before it matters
But their hp may still be irrelevant in mythic depending on what other people are playing
Madox did you guys reclear OAB yet
You were big thane enjoyer for prog right
young swan
feel like slayer is prob just better, it might not do more damage, but its prob just better
deft vessel
Reel Assistant hp is somewhat relevant in mythic, in heroic they die before it m...
ah i did notice that in the pug i did this morning for heroic, had 6 "cleave" builds and the ads still got fucking nuked when they didnt switch off the boss
tepid cedar
All this oab talk, I might be coming out of retirement a guild wants me to come prog oab with them. Might do it just to dinar BiS and HoC
sullen dove
I feel like no way thane is that much better on that fight
sudden tusk
thanes better if you do the immune set
sudden tusk
if you dont do the immune set slayers prob better
tepid cedar
Anything I should know for oab
tepid cedar
Great
sudden tusk
dont dunk if you arent supposed to
tepid cedar
Seems like heavy ranged mech fight
sinful spoke
i wish i didnt have to play thane
i wish slayer still had the s1 add cleave it had
s1 slayer would have gone bonkers
with of
up for every add set
lean heart
tepid cedar
Get that kill!!!
tidal kindle
Another banger jugg pull boomed by getting tank stun
@sudden tusk maybe arms not it...
sudden tusk
i just played slayer fury ST
sudden tusk
p2 dam?
tidal kindle
Yah
sudden tusk
you walkin in with a couple dead or somethin
sudden tusk
yeah not much you can do about that
sinful spoke
garms washed from playing too much lost ark
light sleet
whats going on everybody!
feral ivy
sprocket 25% ughhh so close yet so far
sullen dove
once u get past 2nd intermission its kinda gg
but ye like set 5 and 6 mines are prolly the roughest especially 6, then intermission after big scary time
after that its hard chillin for like a full minute
should be bout when it dies
winter shoal
once u get past 2nd intermission its kinda gg
130 pulls haven't even gotten to 2nd intermission yet 🙂
I hate it here 🙂
sullen dove
haha
we killed it in like 218 😄
but like literally do 2nd intermission like 2 or 3 times its prolly dead
winter shoal
How many pulls was stix for you
sullen dove
like 130 or somethin a month ago
winter shoal
We were 120 for stix, I'm expecting like 225 for sprocket
if guild doesn't die first
I hope it does
sullen dove
o i mean
but yea like i think just consistently getting thru first intermission is like over halfway done progging the fight
feral ivy
we been progging sprocket without a warlock and its wild we are getting this dude down without one
sullen dove
holy 
i think it would be possible just really awkward
like maybe red gets knocked where blue would and blue try to go a lot more linearly right to the back wall
to give red time to walk down b4 blue gets to boss
feral ivy
whats killing us obviously mines but tbh i thought it would be the push back and stuff but nahhh it really is just stupid mines
junior gale
once u get past 2nd intermission its kinda gg
unless you have some terrorists who hit purple balls
sullen dove
yea i mean i honestly thought when those spawned there were also beams
but theres just not
so its literally only purple ball frogger
should be omega dodgable
cant speak on 2nd set tho idk
assume eventually theres a cringe overlap
plain summit
Not too shabby for a 640 ilvl on a +2 I think. Tank was massively undergeared so we dropped the key sadly
plain summit
Yeah didn't get anything out of it but I'm just happy I seemed to perform well despite that
storm birch
Finally got the 14 meadery on fury bout time
sullen dove
ye i mean top 2 dps gud
plain summit
Am I putting too much into raging blow?
sinful spoke
why u wearing a tank trinket is the most important question
chilly fractal
Normally I don’t say such things, but everyone send @prisma hornet some love. Sounds like they are in need of it right now.
X
junior gale
inst he doing mdi sounds like hes just in tournament realm jail right now
its nota fun time
young swan
inst he doing mdi sounds like hes just in tournament realm jail right now
yeah its not that
junior gale
just makin a guess
young swan
theres like
a handful of things that makes people spiral like that
mdi does not fit into that bracket
junior gale
summer quail
it's obviously something serious that has happened irl. rude to speculate
lean heart
<:critcake:984549832511344640>
BOSS DED BIS NEXT WEEK WOOOOOO
junior gale
all I saw was that first post that guy linked
idk noxiv coulda been a joke
obviously that 2nd post makes it a lot more serious
chilly fractal
“That guy” damn…
dapper goblet
Lets get a perma ban on mobbo
chilly fractal
Lets get a perma ban on mobbo
Yea what a horrible human being
sullen dove
can we perma mute baze
junior gale
Madox for yellow
sullen dove
madox for green
dapper goblet
can we perma mute baze
preach
compact knot
can we make my name brown
storm birch
can you heroic leap over drills in sprocket ?
modest condor
xeos for white
sinful spoke
xeos banned
junior gale
Meow
sinful spoke
MEOW
young swan
can you heroic leap over drills in sprocket ?
u should try it and tell us
eternal sundial
celest sierra
question, i did a sim as arms for 5 targets and i simmed at 6.8M is that high or low
timber hare
that loboz build kinda cooking
gleaming siren
I think it's just Loboz cooking
paper wolf
Hey, since our warry stoped playing i switched to fury. is it worth farming the brewery neck, or is the crafted one better?
warm crag
Hey, since our warry stoped playing i switched to fury. is it worth farming the ...
Cant farm it on mythic ilvl so unless u have mugzee on farm crafting should be correct
clever belfry
I think it's just Loboz cooking
lobuzzy
sour frigate
cunning bobcat
What’s the pros and cons of doing One Armed Bandit mythic as Thane vs Slayer?
unreal onyx
You mean thane vs slayer?
sudden tusk
but without it it feels kinda wack
radiant plank
wont matter at all
sudden tusk
just hit your add guy and let the ranged get to play the game
we dont do much on that fight
cunning bobcat
That’s what I was thinking, probably best to just play what feels most comfortable at this stage
Thank you
radiant plank
I think post buffs slayer can fuck the bomb adds more
sudden tusk
but idk fights just akward now i should be playing slarms probably
runic pine
I feel so sad I wish slayer was better in keys 😦
wanton umbra
hello guys could you please share talents fury after buff? is it changed something?
For m+
forest geyser
2H or dual for fury in M+?
wanton umbra
dual
edgy widget
I think post buffs slayer can fuck the bomb adds more
from what I've seen, most groups aren't doing the big set of adds anymore
edgy widget
What’s the pros and cons of doing One Armed Bandit mythic as Thane vs Slayer?
honestly they both kinda suck at this point -
- Thane's advantage was better Reels damage, but thney've been nerfed so much it's no longer relevant. It also got (potentially) better burst on the longer-lived group of big adds, but most strats are going to be skipping them now. It also pads P2 adds better, but that really is pure pad
- Slayer gets better quick burst against the small groups of adds, but does virtually no cleave on the Reels, so it kind of washes out
gut tells me that Slayer should be better as the fight continues to get shorter and add damage becomes increasingly less relevant with each buff to player power, but they're both so incredibly mediocre on the fight that you can just play whichever you like at this point and not see much of a difference either way
cunning bobcat
honestly they both kinda suck at this point -
- Thane's advantage was better Re...
Sounds good to me, we’re doing the skip strat too so just go with comfort pick I guess. Thank you
wanton umbra
2H or dual for fury in M+?
do you have for dual?
forest geyser
do you have for dual?
No. I was asking if dual or 2h is better
polar trail
No. I was asking if dual or 2h is better
You dual 2hs
high echo
You never go dual 1h
forest geyser
Ah that’s true. I am a dummy I’ve been away since almost shortly after expac launched lol.
smoky vale
a tierlist of all time
"These are good specs that have a minor downside in either the damage, survivability, or utility department. We have separated B+ from B- this tier. The biggest difference is that the B+ tiers make for better 3rd DPS options than the B- Tiers. The specs in B- tier are typically very solid, but we find it unlikely that they will see significant time in a top meta game composition. They are typically going to be the second or third best option for the final slot in a DPS composition."
opal monolith
Ye it's outdated I suppose
smoky vale
taking tierlists seriously
chrome plover
well the wowhead one is an opinion piece
archon is done by score/logged dps
neither are great metrics
chrome plover
it's 95th percentile of score
which is gonna be massively influenced by popularity of specs
unpopular specs will defacto go down a couple tiers even if theyre strong
sullen cloak
whats the skip strat on Bandit?
chrome plover
whats the skip strat on Bandit?
push after 5th set of adds instead of 6th
which means you need to place all the coils in first 5
sudden tusk
hi chaiwe
chrome plover
hii
sudden tusk
sullen cloak
Thanks bud.
sullen cloak
We are just getting to part 2 more regularly now. 150 wipes in
THis might help ! Thank you
chrome plover
i'm honestly not sure if it's easier to prog with 5, but it saves you needing to dps stop and makes the fight like 1 min faster
dull sierra
i'm honestly not sure if it's easier to prog with 5, but it saves you needing to...
i think having the flame coil out for longer is probably worse to prog with
chrome plover
yeah
worn yoke
Having slayer be 'back on the menu' thanks to the very minor Bladestorm buff has me playing it in a few keys again and apart from doing dogshit damage (overall, boss damage is awesome) it's insanely fun. It needs 4 minor to actually be a perfectly balanced spec:
- Softcap Meat Cleaver at 5 or Hardcap at 8
- Make execute give a stack of Slaughtering strikes
- Make chance for Reap the Storm to be 20% chance per enemy hit (aka if you are hitting 5 targets + with MC up you will proc)
- Adjust/reduce the ICD of Slayer Strike. Feels bad to drop Ashen Jugg just because your slayer strike isnt proccing.
I'm giga salty about how slayer fury got treated, ever since they showcased the hero talents slayer fury just felt right thematically to me (not a common take i think).
fading sky
no
meat cleaver does not need that
it might need a slightly higher dmg %
Roar needs to be stronger
OF needs to be great
red berry
as much as i do want to uncap fury just like a lot of other classes, there is class design to be respected
i do think that if you want fury to be more competitive a 5-10% on whirlwind is necessary, though
buffing thunder blast. capping that at 8 targets. buffing roar. and making odyns fury strong enough to be relevant enough in AoE you'd consider it over the other capstones
sudden tusk
the real issue fury has is design intention vs player behaviour
gleaming siren
https://www.archon.gg/wow/tier-list/dps-rankings/mythic-plus/10/all-dungeons/thi...
dont use any of them
for fucks sake
sudden tusk
if the game went how blizzard would like it you would essentially meat cleaver packs down 5 at a time at increased effeciency
but with how player behaviour is you pull big around CDs especially for classes that do high aoe and mid level single target
so fury ends up falling behind in most situations.
gleaming siren
That's not a player behaviour issue
sudden tusk
the player behaviour isnt the issue, but it goes in direct contrast with blizzards design decicions regarding the class
target capping is simply a failed experiment
vale berry
I would not mind keeping 5 target hard cap as it gives the fury spec it's identity, but I would increase the damage ratio from 55% to something like 70% or 80%. Because right now not only we are hard capped, but we are not even the best dps in this very niche, some classes do more 5 target dps than fury, while not being hard capped which is ridiculous game design
sudden tusk
its just a M+ vs raid thing. in raid fury is insanely potent
gleaming siren
the player behaviour isnt the issue, but it goes in direct contrast with blizzar...
class design is disjointed and aimless, more news at 12
sudden tusk
i dont think blizzard having a vision for what they want is a bad thing
i just dont think warrior in it's current implementation will ever see meta status in M+ without a complete rework
its certainly good enough
but comp restritcions are rough
vale berry
they should invest more time in balancing M+, isn't that more popular than raiding nowadays?
sudden tusk
i mean even as a mythic raider myself. M+ is the only high end repeatable content the game has
it has been getting a ton of work, it just need some more
chrome plover
i think it's hard to compare because all raiders will also do mythic+ whether they like it or not
sudden tusk
i cant imagine playing with bursting or sanguine any more
chrome plover
skittish
sudden tusk
with how terrible DH threat is its basically skittish
90% of the time on big pulls i have to use DBTS just to not die to melees from the prio mob
junior gale
with how terrible DH threat is its basically skittish
I'm surprised they haven't made any tank threat adjustments in these tuning patches because it also hasn't been just DH sometimes.
sudden tusk
idk man i also dont understand how people do no damage on tanks
actually failed a cinderbrew becuase the tank was doing 1.4m overall dps
and the dps would just constantly rip aggro 20 seconds into the pull
junior gale
Idk those players just exist I see them all the time doing no dmg on a ret pally all the time.
Don't even know how it's possible to do low dmg on ret
red berry
if the game went how blizzard would like it you would essentially meat cleaver p...
it would never be, 'increased efficiency' because warrior just has enough abilities that do damage beyond five targets that if you can survive it, you would still make more time by pulling bigger anyway
even before you consider other classes.
red berry
no, its not
sudden tusk
regardless of caps, damage whatever
even if fury did the highest 5 target count in the game (it doesnt)
its just not fun
junior gale
Tbh just waiting for 11.2 notes. This season of M+ was a clear philosophy change so we'll see what comes next
red berry
the fact that people in the community are starting to push back on target caps
maybe we'll see an actual response to it at some point
junior gale
I have a feeling we will. Their finally moving back to let do massive pulls in dungeons. So I can see them doing something about target caps
sudden tusk
just a couple more podcast episodes away complaining about it yaaaaay
red berry
i think for as long as you have 'uncapped classes' and a timer on a dungeon, you'll always see bigger pulls. i know some people want dungeons antithetical to that but that will never happen
frigid flicker
is fury better overall then arms in keys? we just only find fury warriors signing
frigid flicker
ahh, ok thanks
humble shadow
Wonder how long it will be before they get around to fixing the issues with the ww weakauras lagging
Kinda feel like it'll be like this for a while and I hate it
sudden tusk
the issue its its not lagging
they changed how it works
if Ramapage gets parried it doesn't consume a ww hit
so now it checks until the ability is over to remove the buff from you
all the WAs do is check how many buff stacks you have
so it's just gonna feel weird til you get used to it
whole yacht
Kinda feel like it'll be like this for a while and I hate it
Just don't use a weakaura to track something very simply tracked mentally?
humble shadow
@sudden tusk Ah
@whole yacht I wouldn't have a weakaura if I wanted to manually track
whole yacht
It takes 0 effort to count the stacks
humble shadow
It takes less to use a weakaura
whole yacht
Ah yes "okay how many stacks does my weakaura say i have now" is less effort than counting to 4. The lazy gamer at its finest.
humble shadow
99% of wow gamers use one and I assume you're one of them
But I'll keep using my weakaura and you can get rid of yours and count them if you want
clever belfry
having the information available
is good
most people dont look at the fucking WA between every global
but it is relevant and most (even very good!) players have it visible
for a fucking reason :3
oblique trail
The only relevant WA to have is /meow every 5 minutes
slim pollen
Ah yes "okay how many stacks does my weakaura say i have now" is less effort tha...
Not sure what kind of short story WA you're refering to, that requires some kind of dora the explorer monologue to figure out, but mine shows 4 icons around my character that disapear one by one as i spend the stacks. I much rather have that to glance at, than having to continiously count to 4 over and over like an OCD slave through any encounter 😬
chilly fractal
At least we don’t have to do 1, 2 Whirlwind anymore
radiant plank
@clever belfry why is there an aug evoker timing 19's
dense elbow
Cause Fury can do it, and aug is stronger than Fury?
warm crag
Just don't use a weakaura to track something very simply tracked mentally?
How do you track parried rampages
chilly fractal
By how many times I hit my computer /s
clever belfry
<@173741974493462528> why is there an aug evoker timing 19's
Augmentator
clever belfry
How do you track parried rampages
make a weakaura obv
clever belfry
The only relevant WA to have is /meow every 5 minutes
:3
orchid dagger
How do you track parried rampages
By not standing behind the target duh
clever belfry
dense elbow
I hard disagree prio dmg good buff our short cds to matter in aoe
Our short CDs are now a total of what, 15-20% ish for BS, 8-12% for Roar and 5-6% ish for Odyns Fury on AoE.
30% ish in total. For team flat, and we are living in their world, that is problematic already. They hate if they can feel when CDs are used, as this requires the feel of DPS dropping down after
Best we can ask for is another 125% buff for OF and a 30% buff for bladestorm. And even that little is pushing it.
More likely we will see more flat dam buffs. Making the CDs matter less
fading sky
Haha im deffo team curves
deft vessel
is fury better overall then arms in keys? we just only find fury warriors signin...
arms clears easily (unfort) but is really really boring and hard to play compared to fury
next shale
They just focus more of the tuning around raid.
I do think though, target caps in their current inconsistent implementation increase the delta between the best and worst specs in m+
Blizz doing some work on the target caps, either removing or homogenizing them, would shrink that difference, which I think is all we can really strive for.
If everything was balanced really well in m+ (within 1% of each other) there would still be meta comps, and thats fine
I just want the bottom spec, to be closer to the top spec... and not 50% worse on overall dps
dense elbow
We are what 15-30% behind on DPS with equal skilled players and depending on dungeon. Then you got to add that we boost 5% of their DPS is value. Them down, we up. So it is a bit closer than that.
I agree we are behind and really should be buffed for m+ content. But we are not doing half the value of the others.
We are closer to 10% behind 
gleaming siren
<@173741974493462528> why is there an aug evoker timing 19's
It's Shuh
Nothing to see here
Aug isn't bad especially after buffs and Shuh is a good Aug player in a good group
He's still very undergeared so it's a bit more impressive that he can keep up
dense elbow
Aug is bringing more value than warrior, so makes sense to see them up there once their mains had the time and will
gleaming siren
make a weakaura obv
Perry
dense elbow
I say warrior, when I meant Fury 
arms/prot ain't warrior
dense elbow
Checking aug logs, they kinda exactly the same as Fury. 20% ish behind the others. Just with a ton more utility. So we with APbshout do bring a tad more raw dam overall. We being 10% and they being ish 15% behind.
Seems balanced
mossy fox
we're better than aug
would have been insane if we could say this in 10.1.5 and not 11.1.5
dense elbow
They need to make it so AP shout is added to our damage on the meter. Same as with aug buffs. Then people will invite us more
We ain't 20% behind, or doing tank damage. We are in fact pretty close overall value 
bitter fable
Hello I apologise in advance if this is out of place or ranty
But last night I finally made the switch to thane hadn't priviusly because slayer was my comfort and fir the content I was doing was more than enough
Having switched now tho
Just few things are unclear to me I get that TC replaces WW but 1 do we still use WW to get stacks if/when TC is on cd ?
And 2 if you're already enraged and have rage to spend on rampage do you still prioritise TS procs ?
dense elbow
TC replaces WW in 99.9% case scenario.
Rage and rampage works the same way as with Slayer
bitter fable
So instead of Ww you just press TC every 4 abilities as principle
Pros or not
next shale
We are what 15-30% behind on DPS with equal skilled players and depending on dun...
yeah didnt mean fury really, just all specs in general
dense elbow
Go to a dummy, test it out BE. It becomes super obvious and you will go "aha"
bitter fable
Yh tried it in a 10 last night
I can see where the dmg is coming from tho was getting more rage than I could spend but that's just adjusting I imagine
dense elbow
yeah didnt mean fury really, just all specs in general
Fury is the lowest output DPS other than Aug. Aug being 20% ish behind and Fury being 10% ish with shout included in our favour. BM/surv does more raw dam than Fury and sits around 10% behind. SP sits same as the hunters, but bring PI (a ish +200/300k)
It ain't as bad as you think overall DPS wise. If you talking AoE scenario, pulls, then Fury is as little as 1/5th of the DPS
next shale
Fury is the lowest output DPS other than Aug. Aug being 20% ish behind and Fury ...
Yeah idk exact percentages, I just picked +10 keys for the larger sample size but top fury does 4.3m dps in cinderbrew, whereas the top unholy DK does 6.65m dps
Im not a huge m+ person or anything
I would just like the delta between top and bottom specs to not be this big
And I think target cap really doesn’t help
Cinderbrew is obviously one of the most extreme examples
dense elbow
Fair, if you look at the more extreme cases, sure. You can make an argument there is potential DPS diff.
I get your point, and I agree Fury should get a buff (just not focused on our rotationals). I just don't agree the damage situation is as bad as your example pushes
next shale
Yeah, im not even saying fury should be buffed, just that i want blizzard to look at target caps accross the board
and also i just do 14/15s and i play only fury
personally i feel like my dmg is fine
in most keys
dense elbow
I don't mind that specs have different damage profiles. I just want things to be balanced around m+, more than raid.
If we are behind, buff our strengths. Don't remove our weaknesses
next shale
yeah that makes sense.
I just think blizz are always going to balance around raid, and m+ has to deal with that.
But think m+ balance would be closer if they looked at target caps and sorted them out
merry zinc
For classes hard target capped it feels like there’s an unbreakable wall at the +12 and forward mark. No matter how perfect you play there’s still a canyon between us and the top dps in the party.
hollow elk
wow an actual aug evoker ingame.
dense elbow
If they make everyone the same, yes. It would be closer.
eternal compass
Odyns fury last season at the start felt really nice i would like that
next shale
If they make everyone the same, yes. It would be closer.
im not saying that
hollow elk
odyns fury last season all it did was feel nice
next shale
you can still have differences with homongenized target caps
merry zinc
Personally, I never want another m+ season of MT being the “meta” for Fury. The lack of spin is so boring for me as I am just a simple man 😂
next shale
Personally, I never want another m+ season of MT being the “meta” for Fury. The ...
same
dense elbow
Odyns fury last season at the start felt really nice i would like that
I would argue OF felt meh, it was TT and the instant free of GCD burst that felt nice to have
OF itself was a weak button, it was only strong on the beta.
Now we can only pray for the 125% buff to make it viable agaib
eternal compass
What is tt?
dense elbow
Titans torment, cast a free OF when you pressed avatar
eternal compass
Ye thats what i mean i felt like i had a burst that paired with odyns
dense elbow
It was a glorified damage amp
eternal compass
Ye maybe on paper its not great but it felt good
I think i just like that ability
hollow elk
maybe if the dmg was fire like in legion and ignored armor. god i dont even remember if it was the case anymore
merry zinc
Ye maybe on paper its not great but it felt good
Bingo and that’s what’s missing this season. MT isn’t great and also doesn’t feel good. Gotta give the players one of the two.
dense elbow
Thing is, it is currently doing the same raw damage as back then. You just don't get the double up from TT, nor the dam amp effect after OF and on OF itself.
The button feels weak now, cause it always was weak
We never going to see it be strong tho, not in today's flat gameplay design goals
hollow elk
Bingo and that’s what’s missing this season. MT isn’t great and also doesn’t fee...
if mt was good on its own it would be plenty. "feelgood" is just a nice positive to have in adition not an option.
hollow elk
Thing is, it is currently doing the same raw damage as back then. You just don't...
i mean realistically how much stronger can a 45 second cd ability be
dense elbow
Depends on design goals. You could easily give it a 125% boost at current tuning, it would not break M+, it would be a ish 5-6% overall increase and help our overall (and give us a niche)
hollow elk
wouldnt that put us between losing bladestorm or am
dense elbow
Problem is that would push 35% ish of our AoE into burst. And ppl want it to be closer to 20%
Why would we lose BS or AM? You know we drop taking last tier talents for VC atm
We got the talent points to get all of em
hollow elk
well are we talking cleave or st
hollow elk
i guess losing unghinged and depths would be fine.
dense elbow
As someone who plays with OF in m+, I can safety say - it will only reinforce the Slayer Gameplay ppl want. Being big burst and getting dopamine.
It also wouldn't be overpowered at current tuning of the class.
It would simply just make it more fun to play (for team curves, not team flat)
wild mica
I haven't played my warrior in a bit, am I crazy or there's a weird delay before you lose ww stacks now when you press a button?
dense elbow
On rampage, yeah
Dont worry, it is there to stay for a while
Not on u, it is blizz
wild mica
I figured it was not on me since the buff is actually lingering and not just my weakaura. Do we know why it's happening?
I know it's stupid but its fucking with me lmao i guess i have to get used to it
dense elbow
Nop, but I am sure it will make sense after the coming rework
Ye, just gotta get used to it sadly
warm crag
I figured it was not on me since the buff is actually lingering and not just my ...
Apparently they changed it so rampage doesnt consume ww stacks when parried
And this moved the ww consumption check to the end of the animation
This is hearsay but its deffo unintended
clever belfry
cumsumption
warm crag
Wtf?
clever belfry
da slurpa
warm crag
You dont have wow installed
wild mica
cumsumption
most normal skyhold gamer
warm crag
Dont make me post the small duck that is swinging on a shoelace having fun
dull sierra
clever belfry
https://tenor.com/view/cat-fence-kitty-kitten-weaving-gif-27284733
da snaker
oblique trail
slalom
south kayak
And this moved the ww consumption check to the end of the animation
I noticed that too
clear axle
wait is OF getting buffed??
modest condor
no
junior gale
Onlyfans buff when
clear axle
Sadge
quiet breach
https://tenor.com/view/cat-fence-kitty-kitten-weaving-gif-27284733
I LOVE this gif
oblique trail
@clever belfry 
whole yacht
Not sure what kind of short story WA you're refering to, that requires some kind...
You have to actively count to 4?
dense elbow
I mean you can count down from 4
winter shoal
Why count when computer can count for me
whole yacht
Sus af
clever path
Hey chatgpt write me a short but clever comeback to this message
dense elbow
Here’s one for you:
"You pray on AI's downfall, but here I am, thriving. Maybe it's time to re-evaluate your faith?"
Or, if you want something a little snappier:
"AI lives rent-free in your mind, and I didn’t even have to pay security deposit."
Want to go for something even sharper, or is this the perfect amount of sass?
near wing
Might be a dumb question, but does positioning on your attacks change the probability of parry/dodge/etc? like should I always aim to be behind the enemy?
dense elbow
Well, yes. A boss can not parry from behind
winter shoal
Parry yes
dense elbow
other than when they do
winter shoal
Idk if dodge is still a thing
near wing
Is it only bosses that can parry/mitigate?
dense elbow
Mitigate? No, some bosses have phases or abilities that reduce or increase damage taken
winter shoal
I think mobs in m+ generally can't parry but idk if that's always true
And who cares if you get parried on raid trash
dense elbow
Not always true, but it should be true
junior gale
M+ mobs cant parry no
junior gale
only raid bosses can parry
dense elbow
(or certain bosses in m+, and some mobs from time to time)
winter shoal
Do you know if m+ bosses parry? I don't think so but not sure
near wing
Ok, that answers it
junior gale
Do you know if m+ bosses parry? I don't think so but not sure
they cannot only M+ bosses that are technically raid bosses like last boss Dawnbreaker before it was fixed
dense elbow
The silly maldraxian champion could parry before the fix not the boss, the dude that throws the spinny blades
I love WoW consistency it is right 100% of the time, 90% of the time
winter shoal
I love WoW consistency <:gladge:963970137701109820> it is right 100% of the time...
Never look at the nitty gritty of the combat log
Your head will explode
dense elbow
No fear, I only look if OF is #1 damage done, then shuffle away from the computer crying
devout totem
and rashanan
smoky vale
OF stays paying for the sins of broodtwister
and p2 ansurek
charred flint
Should my M+ damage look like this or am i pressing something wrong
gleaming siren
The way WCL handled Rashanan is one of the worst I've seen
Just remove it from Allstars if you think it's too paddy
clever belfry
The way WCL handled Rashanan is one of the worst I've seen
me when 50% of top 100 fury played a turbo troll build
(lost to me anyway frfr)
warm crag
Just remove it from Allstars if you think it's too paddy
tbf they havent griefed like that since or
gleaming siren
No but it's also only been one tier
warm crag
just instantly axed stix allstars and called it a day
gleaming siren
I don't make their site I don't make the rules right
But that is an example of the way they most probably shouldn't handle a boss
They basically decide how game 2 works at this point
warm crag
idk the website has too much impact on how lower end guilds experience the game to take this "fuck you i decide what counts" approach
i like the poll approach but that can go south real quick too
modest condor
remember when people were playing first strike on sire prog because that's what the top logs were using
warm crag
real
flat river
Real
modest condor
that's some real "idk wtf im doing i just copy the top logs" energy
radiant plank
that's some real "idk wtf im doing i just copy the top logs" energy
based
remote bobcat
that's some real "idk wtf im doing i just copy the top logs" energy
based, honestly
gleaming siren
based, dishonestly
dense elbow
Getting decline spammed hurts, but getting invited, then removed... that, that is another level of pain
wary grove
tepid narwhal
Should my M+ damage look like this or am i pressing something wrong
It should be rampage, raging blow <-> bloodthirst, thunder blast. You aren’t pressing rb enough. Raging blow will make your rampage do way more damage
Bloodthirst is bait if you aren’t at a super high crit modifier or if the targets aren’t below 35% health. In uncapped aoe you might want to hit bloodthirst more just to proc thunder blast, but I can only think of a few times where I’m doing this on purpose (like the pack with those adds that chain you in ToP)
dense elbow
Wouldnt it be better to still press RB, so you get more prio dam in on the big mob that is our job to tear down?
smoky vale
prio damage isnt real when you do less than tank in 16 mobs bro
dense elbow
As long the big guy dies at the same time as the small adds at the latest, sure
If you stuck grinding on him solo, after the adds are gone, then all your pad that could be prio, was wasted
Worse yet - you could be taking away possible funnel damage from other classes
oh my
radiant plank
Arcane does 3x furys prio damage + more aoe
earnest canyon
Yeah they have to wear a dress
fiery edge
def not a fury
ornate gust
they want a warr just not u
😂
fiery edge
ornate gust
I wouldn’t inv fury to 15 key too
fiery edge
dense elbow
With how annoying it is to que with this system, I am starting to understand the lure of just buying the spot for 400k gold 
flat river
or doing like my friend and saying you will pay 500k for a spot
fiery edge
flat river
then alt+f4 as soon as u finish
dense elbow
What booster doesnt take the gold upfront? Smh
flat river
💀
clever belfry
<@173741974493462528> <@217744588775882753> <@164800371057754112> <@167252773912...
meow :3
gleaming siren
<@173741974493462528> <@217744588775882753> <@164800371057754112> <@167252773912...
Richard
sinful spoke
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294680138042183711/1358901241375359179/B...
based as fuck
tight idol
X
tight idol
Still looking at the logs the aug did good dmg
limber oar
Whats the weakaura/addon that displays your spell uses as you use them
tight idol
Ilvl was 662
clever belfry
@oblique trail benzai time for new pfp
oblique trail
<@102464908976730112> benzai time for new pfp
true I do have quite a collection that hasn't been used yet
warm crag
deva should still just be doing more damage afaik
clever belfry
true I do have quite a collection that hasn't been used yet
:3
compact siren
<@173741974493462528> <@217744588775882753> <@164800371057754112> <@167252773912...
Richard innit
marble pilot
Hey quick question for gally. Is the heal absorb effect mitigated by spell reflect at all? Or is it best to just victoryrush when it goes out
It says fire damage. And maybe its just me but I feel like some fire is physical and some is magic. I could just be misremembering things though.
forest owl
anyone tried slayer on mythic bandit or is thane still the play?
warm crag
Hey quick question for gally. Is the heal absorb effect mitigated by spell refle...
don't think the heal absorb is mitigated by it but ppl exploding from it being cleared probably is
would have to check a log to figure out the truth
marble pilot
So victory rush when it goes out. Then pop spell reflect shortly after to help with the pops.
Is it ever worth doing defensive stance?
I know we can enraged regen as well but I feel like saving that for oh shits can be better
warm crag
are your healers afk for you to even consider victory rush there or
marble pilot
First pulls were last night. And there is a lot of extra damage going out cause people are sloppy. So looking to take as little damage as I can while we learn.
warm crag
spellreflect is more than enough to press on every cannister set
can press ER and victory rush and dstance if you also soak the healer set or just are lower on hp just press it the fight neither requires rationing of defensives nor damage optimization
gleaming siren
Gallywix the kind of fight that falls over if you live P1 and Intermissions and your bomb people dont troll
marble pilot
Great thanks. Thats similar to what I was already doing. Just fixing what I can. Spell reflect every canister. React with the other defensives if needed.
And I was running Slayer with WW talents but only saw the adds like twice. I assume thats what we run for the most part?
warm crag
the fight opens with adds wdym
marble pilot
Oh we are on heroic still. Im no longer a mythic raider. Aint got time for that these days
warm crag
most advice was tailored towards mythic
clever belfry
most advice was tailored towards mythic
i think u should tailor ur suit
warm crag
on hc p1 is kind of the most heal intensive phase and if you're still progging it you're probably gonna need all the help you can find
smoky vale
p1 is just having everyone have a wall for each frontal while healers being assigned to a frontal
idk
it just falls over
marble pilot
Yeah we only did like 10 pulls. It was the first attempts after getting mugzee down. A lot of it was taking unncessary damage from ground circles/bombs. Tanks figuring out how to do the new bombs. I imagine cleaning that up makes the heal check part even easier. But until we get it figured out I can ease my burden on the heals.
Thanks for the info though guys.
hidden shale
Is it normal that sim suggests me to only use Mastery vers gems on fury even though preferable stats are mastery haste?
marble pilot
Depends on how much haste you have. Currently Vers sims higher for me as well.
But only just
hidden shale
atm i have 31% haste and 50% mastery
marble pilot
I dont remember my exact haste % but its 15k ish stat points.
Some one else can explain better but once you have enough haste for 100% enrage and gcds"feel" good then you dont need anymore. Mastery and vers become flat damage increases after that.
silk wharf
Haste upticks again in very high ilvl gear.
marble pilot
I imagine thats for stuff like extra ticks during cooldowns
hidden shale
that would be my sim https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7w2WEA5usmSFXgCLTVsFK2
marble pilot
I was like wtf. But thats cleaving 5 targets the whole time
sinful spoke
Is it normal that sim suggests me to only use Mastery vers gems on fury even tho...
it all depends on ur character
just do what the robot says
forest geyser
Anyone able to tell me how this looks given my lower iLvl Anyone able to tell me how this looks and how I can find out what to do better? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qJ4JSuBBuebQw8MqjaXgMq
oblique trail
Get more gear, go arms lootspec, worry about your gear when you reach a reasonable ilvl
dawn yacht
How reasonable of a take is it to go slayer for keys now? Essentially just focusing more on the prio damage profile
oblique trail
All of the gear you have is replacable and will be replaced, so we have nothing else to tell you other than just keep playing and get more gear
sinful spoke
How reasonable of a take is it to go slayer for keys now? Essentially just focus...
slayer bad
forest geyser
there is literally no point to sim urself at that point
Thanks for the info useful and helpful info lmfao
sinful spoke
no problem
young swan
How reasonable of a take is it to go slayer for keys now? Essentially just focus...
can prob do it if u want
it'll be worse overall more than likely
forest geyser
But in all seriousness, whats the best way for me to get my ilvl up right now, outside m+
sinful spoke
raid
oblique trail
Do a normal/HC clear if possible
young swan
delves pretty good for the champ/1 hero piece
whole yacht
that would be my sim https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7w2WEA5usmSFXgCLTVsF...
Don't sim 5 targets
sinful spoke
if u get lucky from normal u might get enough loot to get invited into a hero raid
oblique trail
Though the only reasonable way for you to get into that would be to buy a boost, or try your best to setup a run for it
marble pilot
LFR/Normals/hallowfall stuff. t8+delves. (3 11s a week for crests)
sinful spoke
but ur a warrior so u might not
forest geyser
delves pretty good for the champ/1 hero piece
Got it. I will see if guild will run 11s with me lol
marble pilot
Weekly caches for champ pieces
forest geyser
Weekly caches for champ pieces
Where abouts is that? Ive been gone most expac
marble pilot
Stuff like participate in surge pricing quests. And killing the world boss in undermine zone.
Some of the caches give champ items some are veteran. But all give coffer keys for bountiful delves. Which done on t8+ give 1 champ piece each.
Ideally you do t11 boutifuls though for the gilded crests
forest geyser
Right
vapid heron
Good evening! I read the guide for fury warrior in wowhead and it say to use Bloodthirst on target over 85% or lower than 35%. I can see why on < 35% but I cant find any talent that tweaks bloodthirst when use on targets above 85%
warm crag
over 85% chance to crit with that bloodthirst
marble pilot
IIRC its over 85% crit chance which a weakaura can track for you. OR under 35% hp cause talents
vapid heron
oh ok got it 😛
marble pilot
Are those new? I dont remember seeing them last time I looked at it
sinful spoke
archi the goat
marble pilot
Still sad looking at Thane and seeing execute being used as filler above a base tclap and thats it
fading sky
Some thunderCute would be nice y
marble pilot
Some fun stuff they could do. Executes summon a lightning strike or something. Granted I dont mind the slayer ST vs Thane AOE aspects. Kinda nice to play both hero talents.
vapid heron
the wowhead gudie even has a hoverable question mark for this wtf
indeed 😦 I am dumb lol
sinful spoke
its ok ur a warrior
sudden tusk
meow
jovial plaza
stark lantern
with Deft experience, does each time you BT extend enrage by 1 sec? Previously I tried taking out both points of Deft experience to put 1 pt into critical thinking and 1 pt into Unbridled ferocity, but I dont think the 6% chance of rampage proccing recklessness is worth the trade off?
sudden tusk
with Deft experience, does each time you BT extend enrage by 1 sec? Previously I...
Unbridled ferocity is a pretty awful talent
and deft does increase current enrage by .5 per point its p good
dense elbow
Oh, that is good.
stark lantern
yeah I think ill just end up simming both. the 2% mastery is nice alongside the extended enrage, but I dont think taking out both points to put 1 into critical thinking solely to get UF
forest geyser
With my lower ilvl, rather than powerful enrage should I run frenzied enrage until I raise my ilvl due to not having high haste? Using the dps loadout in the faq.
sinful spoke
im grunt type shit
one of us
dense fulcrum
is 8% crit too low (?)
frank dawn
not if your sim says not to use it, though it's kind of impressive you've managed to keep it that low
forest geyser
not if your sim says not to use it, though it's kind of impressive you've manage...
You responding to me?
dense fulcrum
not if your sim says not to use it, though it's kind of impressive you've manage...
ye i was surprised too
frank dawn
oh nah, Nevada.
forest geyser
Ah XD
frank dawn
With my lower ilvl, rather than powerful enrage should I run frenzied enrage unt...
but the answer is largely the same, if sim says frenzied is best use frenzied
but either way the difference is negligible. I'd be surprised if that changes for some reason at low gear
forest geyser
but the answer is largely the same, if sim says frenzied is best use frenzied
Got it.
woven valley
Anyone going to pax east? Blizz panel is the perfect time to ask why warriors get smacked down every tier
forest geyser
Cyrce's circlet here still worth having? https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/bis-gear
coarse nest
Yes, you keep it equipped until sim says it’s no longer higher dps
forest geyser
Got it! I was just curious. Already have it and caught up on ilvl's for it
dense elbow
Anyone going to pax east? Blizz panel is the perfect time to ask why warriors ge...
Answer: Fury Warrior is viable, don't you guys have phones... to check raider.io or MDI?
marble pilot
Eventually we will drop it just because of the stamina. But for now its still very strong. I think some people have got rid of it with double myth track.
Maybe with the ilvl increase coming we will drop it with hero track as well but im not sure. Do what the robot commands
woven valley
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Answer: Fury Warrior is viable, don't you guys ha...
Last time they said that people memed them for years. Let’s meme them so they make warrior actually good again
dense elbow
Warrior is good tho, far from evil
woven valley
marble pilot
I think aug has
frank dawn
yeah sure if you play with a boomy/dk any dps can get carried
xd
and yeah Aug timed a 19 yesterday
xd
marble pilot
Doesnt Aug have some bug going on right now that lets them do stupid damage or is that just a pvp thing
dense elbow
Aug was equal to our power before the buffs
now they gotta be ahead and in actual value from utility, ahead by a mile
dense elbow
(remember that 5% of his dam is yours (
dense elbow
Dude, you are throwing?! Where is 2nd AP DPS user??!
That is like 6-7% of your damage again
What the hell man
coarse nest
Full guild pug
dense elbow
troll!
coarse nest
dense elbow
TROLL
marble pilot
Nah thats a feral druid right
marble pilot
Good enough fo rme
dense elbow
"saved"
coarse nest
We actually have one of those on roster
He pumps
He’s already doing 15s/16s with his team
marble pilot
Feral is one of those that when people play it its cause they like it an min max it. And are usually really good at it
coarse nest
No reason for him to bother in my noober 13/14s
dense elbow
Throw out the chicken, get the feral - you need the %dam for your value
fading sky
Feral buff was enuff
stoic loom
now they gotta be ahead and in actual value from utility, ahead by a mile <:keks...
Our prio damage tho!!!
marble pilot
Its like survival hunters. Dont see em often but when you do they crush
marble pilot
How would you guys fix the aoe? I have heard several options
dense elbow
Incease the AP value for the shout in M+ to 10%
marble pilot
Target cap increase, or keeping us at 5 but increasing from 55% cleave to like 80%
Or making the cds not bad
sly crane
How would you guys fix the aoe? I have heard several options
remove target caps+ buff
and delete arms warrior
modest condor
square root past 8 on whirlwind cleave
coarse nest
8T meatcleaver, buff OF Dot, buff roar dot and initial hit, reduce threat 4gorillion%
silk wharf
Id make the first ww talent just make the cleave totally passive, no more hitting ww, and the second talent increase or remove the cap at a reduced amount.
dense elbow
square root past 8 on whirlwind cleave
increase WW base damage by 1000% 
marble pilot
Yeah I hear changing/removing target cap most often.
I dont hate the idea of keeping us at 5 and raising the cleave % though. Just cause its a little different.
burnt kelp
8T meatcleaver, buff OF Dot, buff roar dot and initial hit, reduce threat 4goril...
You could do that, or you could allow rogues to mog plate and allow us to roll outlaw
Blizzard please
You know what must be done
coarse nest
I actually really like rogue tbh
coarse nest
It’s just to complex for me warrior brain
dense elbow
Go play rogue
burnt kelp
I cant, rogue armor is ugly
frank dawn
Yeah I hear changing/removing target cap most often.
I dont hate the idea of ke...
if our cooldowns weren't nuked to oblivion it wouldn't matter as much to change our target cap imo
coarse nest
Warrior > sin/outlaw = MM
frank dawn
Bladestorm kinda fixed now, but Roar and OF are still dogwater
coarse nest
My preferences
marble pilot
Yeah good cooldowns would fix it as well.
modest condor
uncap OF, buff it to the point where it's ~1.5-2% behind on st and ahead on aoe
marble pilot
I think thunderblast should be more than 5 as well. Leave tclap the same but the blasts should blast
burnt kelp
Or make of a single target ability but triple its damage
burnt kelp
Real priority target
modest condor
Or make of a single target ability but triple its damage
that's called onslaught
frank dawn
can't wait for blizzard to giga buff all the trash next season so we can't have big pulls
so they can say target caps are ok
burnt kelp
that's called onslaught
Damn
marble pilot
As a lowley heroic raider I want more aoe bosses. Using thane on only stix sucks
fading sky
I forgot it was a thing
coarse nest
I go back and forth on the clappa spec sometimes the idea of it sounds badass but then it’s turbo boring to play after a few hour session
fading sky
As a lowley heroic raider I want more aoe bosses. Using thane on only stix sucks
Use thane on all
fading sky
When was that?
dense elbow
bring back dragon roar
This is real
charred flint
BFA?
marble pilot
Use thane on all
I am tempted. We are pretty casual though and I do much better st as slayer.
charred flint
when we just had reck
modest condor
yeah because classes only had 6 talents to pick from
charred flint
and reck uptime 90%
modest condor
now they can just pick everything
the only time we've had 90% reck uptime was dragonflight
charred flint
yeah not 90% but u know we had reck like each 20 seconds or w/e
and we did constant damage
modest condor
no we didnt
bfa had the lowest reck uptime of all the expansions since then
mostly because we didnt play AM
coarse nest
Nightfae fury
olive wraith
I hope we get DF dungeons in s3
coarse nest
modest condor
in SL you couldnt really pull half the dungeon at a time so uncapped aoe wasnt nearly as important
you would see it in mdi but that was it
dense elbow
What part of SL, in SL S3, Kara and stuff, you just pulled all of the sections in one go - as tanks was immortal, no?
modest condor
that was s4
dense elbow
The whole of the night fae section - stuffs like that
coarse nest
It’s funny, we as a community collectively wined about pull sizes being limited by to many mechanics so blizzard reduces that some and now we all complain that the uncapped specs are too op and everyone else stinks
modest condor
It’s funny, we as a community collectively wined about pull sizes being limited ...
it's an iterative process
dense elbow
To be fair, we did expect to be tuned around the new situation :v
modest condor
complaining about target capped specs doesnt mean that the previous complaints were unwarranted
marble pilot
Capped vs uncapped is weird to me anyway. They should all work roughly the same.
modest condor
Capped vs uncapped is weird to me anyway. They should all work roughly the same.
yeah but then the uncapped specs complain about homogenization
"we cant have everybody be uncapped, we need 3 specs that just randomly stay capped so we can feel better"
coarse nest
Wholeheartedly agree that the packs had way to much stuff going on and I also agree that they should just universally uncap everyone
Some specs uncapped aoe happens over time
Some happen up front
Some are flat
It’s still variety
modest condor
tbf it's not like packs dont do anything anymore, just look at priory
we just have so much burst now that we kill it during the aoe stops
dense elbow
we have burst that kill stuff on AoE in M+
modest condor
or the lich wing in top, people are pulling like 5 casters on top of eachother
silk wharf
Bone spear doesnt one shot anymore either
silk wharf
I do 12/13s
dense elbow
Bonespear, the mage casters? They usually dont target the tank, and if they do - that is not the worst issue. When they random cast healer/dps it kills
fading sky
It deffo almost one shots unless suuuper lxuky
smoky vale
oh nah
burnt kelp
smoky vale
has been also having augs that have hands
modest condor
isnt the only thing they got a 15% buff to their own abilities?
dense elbow
Aug is a thing?
Already was competitive with Fury before the buffs, now they just decent value - if you call Fury viable
smoky vale
isnt the only thing they got a 15% buff to their own abilities?
theyve gotten like 3 aura buffs to their personal damage
frank dawn
isnt the only thing they got a 15% buff to their own abilities?
they got that twice, and I think there was a smaller buff on the first tuning
it's like 40% total since patch launch lol
modest condor
surely you understand that im talking about the most recent buffs right
dense elbow
Its their raw dam being buffed, yep - if that is what you are wondering about