conservatively id say 150-200
#fury
young swan
coarse nest
The people who already do it anyway
iron portal
there are many guilds above 500 that ask for it but never properly use it
young swan
yeah
rose bay
i think if it was done only thing that may change is that guilds would see more crossplay
young swan
aspiring HoFers
coarse nest
Any guild requiring splits that doesn’t even come close to HoF is kidding them selves
iron portal
It isnt standard though
coarse nest
I’d hard pass personally
young swan
Any guild requiring splits that doesn’t even come close to HoF is kidding them s...
yeah but it happens right
cause they want to be HoF
and they think splits are part of it
iron portal
They want to set some habit
But they never really work with it and execute it well and it just makes people miserable
I havent been in that range for some years but it was literally like that everytime i jumped guild
rose bay
could always try it for s4
coarse nest
And that’s just it they think it’s necessary
junior gale
and they think splits are part of it
our guild does splits for tier pretty much it but we dont require the alt to be just as geared as mains
coarse nest
Not having the lockout won’t change the amount of people doing splits drastically
rose bay
i think some would try and find out just how ass it is
coarse nest
I just don’t see that happening when the option to do it is already there
And these same guilds aspiring to be HoF probably can’t do the first 2-3 mythic with half the team on a half ass geared alt to “split” with
rose bay
yeah thats gunna be the big issue
spliiting normal and heroic u can be kinda stinky and get away
but splittin mythic, and not being able to play ur spec may become problematic
atleast, in my experiance, is what happens
just 10-20 mfs who cant play but expect u 2 carry, then the same on the other end of the spoon
8 hour headakes
coarse nest
Yeah I just don’t see it happening
I took Wednesday-Sunday off for the first two weeks of the M+ season this patch and I barely fully geared my main
Let alone an alt
rose bay
did u have friends do it 2 or just u
cause pugging even as a tank can have some downtime
coarse nest
We’re talking degenerate no lifing it
Majority pugging during the day
Night time with guildies
rose bay
yeah pugs can slow u down guildiesd are at a good pace
but yeah whatever we think hardcore players do, we are wrong
they do more
and better
coarse nest
That’s entirely my point
rose bay
its so much fucking work an d a huge mental lode
coarse nest
I’m not magically going to start doing splits because the lockout is more accessible
rose bay
i think at most itll be used to fill a missing spot
or maybe deep into the season itll be fun to do the early bosses to keep fresh
but fuck no i aint splittin id rather be benched then split
i aint even splittin normal
and hey maybe by making it more accessible other people with hunger for it can be sated
but i think itll cause big headake
coarse nest
This is the main benefit in my mind,
My guild is extending 7th boss (any season) but I still need loot from the 3rd and 4th. The lockout no longer exists so sweet I can choose of my own volition to go bang my head against the wall in a scraped together pug with coms and maybe I get lucky
rose bay
yeah same
rose bay
id also argue, that the content is killible with my current gear, yes it will be nice to ahve more gear cause im an idiot and need as much as i can get, but thats not the main issue stopping prog
I think its one of those thigns that would be put it, people would make happy noises, then mostly ignored
eventually when it bugs out belular will make a vid with a angry face like shizzard, we need to talk
id also argue against it cause players like to copy the meta for better or worse
coarse nest
The meta right now is to do splits with 18 characters
Why are you not doing that already
rose bay
The meta in a high enough guild is 18 splits
the only place i wanta split is on a bananna
coarse nest
Yeah because the guy struggling to pug 15s will magically time an 18 key given to them right
rose bay
me struggling in 8s
coarse nest
I’m not advocating for a key skip but yeah like it really would matter if it was even a thing
dapper goblet
progression is good for the game
rose bay
i could go either way, but i agree, prog is fullfilling
coarse nest
progression is good for the game
I do agree yes, big fan of gear progression in WoW that’s my own main drive
noble elm
I don’t really understand the difference between a lockout and loot lock
I don’t get the value of mythic lockouts
rose bay
lockout->only you and your homies can go in Loot lock->doors open but one drink max
noble elm
I understand the technical difference I don’t understand the point of keeping the mythic lockout
Why not just treat it like heroic
rose bay
no idea honestly, not good enough to have an option one way or another i just do whatevers i can
edgy widget
I understand the technical difference I don’t understand the point of keeping th...
because it's infinitely more gameable
consider that with heroic, you can clear the raid, then join my raid and clear the raid all over again within the same week
- while you may be ineligible for loot, you're still able to contribute to my raid success/failure, which would create a huge amount of issues with the highest difficulty activity in the game, especially when it comes to sales
- while heroic loot scales with the number of eligible players (and group size), Mythic does not - it drops a preset amount for a preset number of players, and introducing ineligible players would obviously have an effect on that
rose bay
to add to taht, wow is also a product, they wount let us target gear cause it gives us an insentive to run content over and over again
Atleast thats my crockpot theroy
edgy widget
well that's kind of a tangent, they give us some control, but the game is supposed to be treadmill - as much as players want all their best loot as soon as possible, some amount of chase is necessary to keep players invested, else they'd very quickly get bored (that's not unique to wow either)
rose bay
I am now enlightened
edgy widget
I mean you're right, just saying it's not quite as black and white as moustache twirling villain executive saying "never give them loot and they'll play forever!"
cursive pivot
as fury, are we still putting loot specialization to arms for vault?
rose bay
o7
edgy widget
as fury, are we still putting loot specialization to arms for vault?
unless you want 1hrs for some reason (you don't), yes
set loot spec to Arms and literally never change it again
lean heart
thinking about trying slayer on OAB prog today instead of thane like ive been doing
cursive pivot
i just seem to get some bs when ido that, but i'll give it a whirl again
edgy widget
thinking about trying slayer on OAB prog today instead of thane like ive been do...
post nerf I'm sure it works fine; I would probably hard focus boss and just put light cleave into adds - try to keep all your marked procs on Bandit
lean heart
ye
edgy widget
at this point there's a bit of an argument for killing the adds slower anyway
cursive pivot
myth trink and 2 rings with crit mast, big sad
warm crag
what why would you want that
summer quail
myth trink and 2 rings with crit mast, big sad
big colossus rings
tepid cedar
whirlwind feels o bad
earnest canyon
at this point there's a bit of an argument for killing the adds slower anyway
What do you mean? Why not nuke them ASAP?
marble pilot
They dont really do anything so long as the inturrupts dont go off. Might as well focus boss damage. As long as they die before the next set spawns. At least for the third one. Obviously need the 2 for the combo. Unless im joining in to late and we are talking about different adds
royal copper
Has anyone tried out the new one button rotation as Fury?
plush zephyr
I saw a bit of a video on it. It scores as one of the “best” for the one button rotation in ptr.
I think the only one it really didn’t work on at all was rouges
Idk I didn’t watch the full video just went to the graph
Going to put it on for world content for sure 😂
frigid verge
bladestorm or ravager for fury in m+?
summer quail
ravager
modest hollow
when is this season over?
flat river
bladestorm or ravager for fury in m+?
Depends
If u going Mountain Thane go ravager
If u going slayer go bladestorm
plush zephyr
when is this season over?
Early August I believe
frigid verge
If u going slayer go bladestorm
is slayer decent enough to be played over thane in m+?
proven hornet
Is fury S tier yet or we wait another patch???
flat river
is slayer decent enough to be played over thane in m+?
it's good up to +10, maybe +12
you can play it above but its a dps loss
proven hornet
summer quail
it's good up to +10, maybe +12
"good"
tepid cedar
i thought guilded were unlocked this week?
noble elm
I queued to a +6 wearing a Cyrces with all healing gems and playing smf
I was spotted immediately as a meme
I really thought I’d get further
flat river
I queued to a +6 wearing a Cyrces with all healing gems and playing smf
when will they add bandage warrior
dull sierra
i thought guilded were unlocked this week?
next week i believe
noble elm
They asked me if I was serious and I said smf attacks faster so I proc more heals
flat river
XD
noble elm
I figured I’d lean fully in
noble elm
Back in classic I used two felstrikers
I don’t know how iPhone gets Destinee from felstriker
thorny peak
bro whats with my m+ vault and these 2minute trinkets
storm rune
noble elm
Or
thorny peak
i just want a weapon ./cvry
jovial plaza
OK NA BOYS, IS IT TIME TO PLAY SLAYER IN KEYS OR NO?
remote bobcat
OK NA BOYS, IS IT TIME TO PLAY SLAYER IN KEYS OR NO?
obviously not
jovial plaza
FUCK
winter shoal
OK NA BOYS, IS IT TIME TO PLAY SLAYER IN KEYS OR NO?
If you want to, thane/colossus are still better but the difference is small enough to not worry about it if you're not pushing title range keys
noble elm
oh well, i had a dream that fury is rising but mountain cucking it is....
It is rising
………..just not very far.
thick fossil
I wonder if Slayer is the play on Bandit now.....
summer quail
Lets go augs yeaaah!...
ruby badge
do we bench the pirate ring next week?
junior gale
bro i wanna play it
summer quail
bro i wanna play it
You are mentally ill
stray pivot
Shitty choice to make, but which one should I get?
My on-use trinket is a Champion House of Cards so getting a Mythic one should give me an improvement... maybe?
summer quail
No other caster makes my details inaccurate
summer quail
Lmao arcane intellect. You're joking right?
stray pivot
Shitty choice to make, but which one should I get?
My on-use trinket is a Champi...
Or are the 6 coins perhaps a better choice?
smoky vale
a little bit
scenic compass
does slayer want different stats or does it still go heavy mastery > haste?
smoky vale
i just enjoyed doing damage on it
lavish pecan
winter shoal
does slayer want different stats or does it still go heavy mastery > haste?
Same stats, you can sim to see if there are any recommended gear differences between specs for you and the items you have available to you
flat river
bro i wanna play it
gilded wraith
any reason to play anger management over reckeless abandon? RA sims like 150k more on dungeon slice for me.
i see basically everyone playing anger management tho.
winter shoal
any reason to play anger management over reckeless abandon? RA sims like 150k mo...
AM has better cd timings in most cases, dungeon slice is kind of wacky
Sim 1t 5m and 5t 5m and use your noggin to compare
quiet geyser
umbral basin
Is there any real difference between 2h sword/axe/mace/polearm? or is it just preference?
modest condor
no difference
umbral basin
awesome thanks
halcyon oak
I'm having trouble deciding between a M track cloak and my already crafted 675 Mas/Has cloak, over a socked for wrists. Is there a way to sim for a socket? Other info, is I am Haste heavy at 26% but low on Mastery at 58%.
oblique trail
I'm having trouble deciding between a M track cloak and my already crafted 675 M...
Press the "+" on an item and add socket "great vault"
halcyon oak
Press the "+" on an item and add socket "great vault"
Oh dang, thank you.
oblique trail
It'll account for it being a choice between a socket item or the vault items
candid falcon
Is there any real difference between 2h sword/axe/mace/polearm? or is it just pr...
polearms have more damage variance on autoattacks i think? but it averages out
i dont think it legitimately matters
smoky vale
doesnt matter
junior gale
polearms have more damage variance on autoattacks i think? but it averages out
weapons are normalized it doesnt matter
candid falcon
cool cool
umbral basin
awesome ty!
edgy widget
What do you mean? Why not nuke them ASAP?
because movement
charred flint
modest condor
resources > rage
edgy widget
WCL doesn't track autos though, just fyi
winter shoal
WowA (kind of) does 🙂
young swan
what about WowB
winter shoal
top 10 questions science can't answer yet
modest condor
grats
silk wharf
Is Eye of Kezan supposed to be using its procs to heal if I'm obviously not a healer?
undone flower
And by coins no?
undone flower
Oh yeah I thought the tornados name was « Line and flames »
Gotta grind the stun uptime now 🫡
sullen dove
how get harbinger achieve im 675
relogged as both prot and arms with 678 both weapons/shield
wispy thistle
What exact ilvl are you? Could be a situation where you are 674.8
runic pine
Is Eye of Kezan supposed to be using its procs to heal if I'm obviously not a he...
The procs are so hilariously bad it doesn’t even matter
sullen dove
wispy thistle
and the UI is rounding up
sullen dove
wearing a mid myth trink this is usually my gear
wispy thistle
You can try and do the math yourself to double check. Add up all ilvls and divide by 16 if you are fury. if you confirm its 675 then its still bugged
sullen dove
winter shoal
wearing a mid myth trink this is usually my gear
Something to do with offhand 2h ilvl not being tracked properly I think
For the achiev
snow edge
how get harbinger achieve im 675
I switched my weapons around in fury and logged out / in and got it; did you try swapping slots?
sullen dove
1 msg above 
snow edge
Just have to ticket it I think, not sure what else you can do
scenic compass
how do you sim which flask I should be using? Or is alchemical chaos just best?
tepid cedar
lol said fuck it and joined some group doing rik mythic, went in blind and in about 10 pulls killed it. Dudes were like how in the fuck do u 99 parse a fight blind 😂😂. I said well, warriors suck so low damage is easy 😂😂😂😂
Can’t wait for corruption and ilvl. We gona wreck raids lol
edgy widget
how dead is bandit
very dead
we haven't done it in 3(?) weeks and we almost 1 shot it tonight with a scuffed comp
ended up taking three total, and although it was a cakewalk, it was also really forgiving
ornate gust
adds die way faster
I am wondering if we should play bladestorm build after the nerf.
sullen dove
yo anyone notice gilded of undermined is just... not counting for pieces that are still higher ilvl than what you have on your main
like its not a universal 33% crest reduction
on my evoker its 10 crests to go to 665 and then 15 for every level after since I dont have a myth ring on warrior
and this trinket on warrior still costs 15 crests each upgrade
so like this isnt doin anything
so like... you are not gonna get the crest reduction on upgrading myth track 2 ranks next week and its still 15 every upgrade???
unless this is some outlandish bug
warm crag
Did u close game and open again
sullen dove
uh not fully i guess i relogged several times in raid and only got the achieve after i hearthstoned
like changing instances
but can try full reclose ig is it just rly some crazy bug?
warm crag
A relog isnt enough for this kind of database check
sullen dove
cuz like it gave me a crest reduction on 1 ring upgrade on my alt
warm crag
Had it several times that ppl crafted a 2h wep and couldnt Upgrade their offhand for free until they full closed the game
warm crag
L
sullen dove
so i guess... ur farmin the 450 crests instead
gg useless fucking harbinger of gilded achievement lol
oblique trail
owned
sullen dove
gotta be some insane oversight or its buggy cuz not every piece of mine is 675 still even tho was changed to be avg ilvl, dont remember if upgrading 636>639 last season was 10 or 15 crests in a slot i didnt have on any toon after getting achieve
or again its just worthless yea
oblique trail
This patch in general has just had a big handful of buggy features (some that also existed in S1)
edgy widget
yo anyone notice gilded of undermined is just... not counting for pieces that ar...
gilded discount is specific for each slot
e.g. if you have an average 675, but your ring is only 665, your rings are only discounted up to 665
sullen dove
which also means it will do absolutely nothing for your main during turbo boost
edgy widget
correct
edgy widget
once you upgrade a slot to 681 or 684, alts will get a discount for that slot up to that item level as well
example - full price to upgrade to 681
once I've made the upgrade on another character, it's now discounted for that slot
sudden tusk
480 crests to farm next week : )
smoky vale
i swear it was worded to be avg
sullen dove
avg ilvl to get the achieve
smoky vale
ig bro has to replace his shit pieces
sullen dove
which just lets you upgrade individual alt slots to your mains ilvl at reduced cost
cold knoll
Hey, when the dinars will come up , if you grab a hero track item in raid , and after that you kill the corresponding boss in mythic , will there be a way to upgrade the item ?
sullen dove
not at the moment, ideally they use their brains and add one later
smoky vale
from what we know, no
sullen dove
but for now dont think so
cold knoll
Hey, when the dinars will come up , if you grab a hero track item in raid , and after that you kill the corresponding boss in mythic , will there be a way to upgrade the item ?
waxen vale
Hey, when the dinars will come up , if you grab a hero track item in raid , and after that you kill the corresponding boss in mythic , will there be a way to upgrade the item ?
sudden tusk
@sullen dove need info on this please
sullen dove
Hey, when the dinars will come up , if you grab a hero track item in raid , and after that you kill the corresponding boss in mythic , will there be a way to upgrade the item ?
warm crag
Buy 2 heroic jastor diamonds
red berry
Hey, when the dinars will come up , if you grab a hero track item in raid , and after that you kill the corresponding boss in mythic , will there be a way to upgrade the item ?
sullen dove
Buy 2 heroic jastor diamonds
ah one for each hand yes?
thank you sir spong i will note this down duly
formal finch
example - full price to upgrade to 681
where the fuck are 684 coming from??????????????
edgy widget
formal finch
i didnt even think about that thy make the gear higher lol XD
so crafted gear gets more worse wow
edgy widget
read the article again
low folio
As a slayer enjoyer, I’m happy it got a buff for aoe so I can feel a little less bad for playing it in keys lol
formal finch
nvm. do we have a mage here for int buff? 😄 XD
smoky sigil
Good morning guys. Is viscera worth using in raid, or is there something weird with sims and the 100% increase under 35% health?
sullen dove
i mean if it sims better than what u got its prolly fine enuff
prolly not better than like a cocknstalk trink or somethin but think its dece
smoky sigil
Thank you
spiral orbit
What if we spend a bunch of crests on an alt immediately next week on a slot to get it to 684, will the main get the discount. Assuming I have the achieve on my main.
edgy widget
What if we spend a bunch of crests on an alt immediately next week on a slot to ...
yes, cause the achieve is account-wide
ornate prism
I'd rather to forgive mythic raid run this week.. i feel just throwing away the possibility to get better gears like Jaster ring
west crystal
So has the buff to bladestorm made slayers aoe DPS anymore viable in M+?
vapid mulch
Got a mythic locknstock in vault, is it actually viable or a sim trap? I hate raw dmg trinkets. But im rocking a 658 mechanocore
Sim says +17k
radiant plank
its good
sudden tusk
its good on single target
unreal onyx
For ST it's pretty good, my HC one is usually doing between 4-5% overall
smoky sigil
In raid do i wanna line BS and reckless up or just send BS on cd?
tired root
what about Viscera of Coalesced Hatred is it any good to take over House of cards?
tired root
ah cool and do u know why siren ring sim higher than any other mythic ring i tryed to compare, have hc gallywix already so i dont count it
i am not sure if simc are broken lol its 658 ring..
edgy widget
ah cool and do u know why siren ring sim higher than any other mythic ring i try...
cause it has powerful effects that are worth more than raw ilevel
flat river
not even socket week for me cause im fully socketed
unreal onyx
ah cool and do u know why siren ring sim higher than any other mythic ring i try...
Bc it's BiS for the entire tier for us
Effects too big
Better than miniscule stats
flat river
i chose a mythic weapon thats crit haste for when i swap to arms for funsies in keys
and mog
unreal onyx
A decent amount of classes has siren ring as bis for the season
flat river
i think all except arcane mage
smoky vale
erm
radiant plank
Arms...
radiant plank
flat river
it says so on the site
tired root
Bc it's BiS for the entire tier for us
so basicly we wont change it cuz paired with gallywix ring its BiS, my god lol i didnt know it.. thx..
radiant plank
gm
flat river
What site buddy
wowhead
radiant plank
unreal onyx
so basicly we wont change it cuz paired with gallywix ring its BiS, my god lol i...
Yea you will keep it until S3 most likely
It's bis paired with any ring, gally is just the 2nd bis
earnest canyon
Are we due one more raid or we done til next xpac?
earnest canyon
I thought she was like the overall villain across 3 expansion s, but im not a big lore guy
unreal onyx
No clue tbh
tired root
Yea you will keep it until S3 most likely
🫡
unreal onyx
I thought she was like the overall villain across 3 expansion s, but im not a bi...
But the jailer was also hyped up a lot and we got him in S3 from what I remember
He was the creator of everything after all
When did we have a villain we fought over multiple xpacs?
earnest canyon
SL was allover the fucking place to me, I had no idea what was going on
unreal onyx
I only know the plot that the jailer knew everything that ever happened, I think
earnest canyon
Never but they are trying something new with 3 smaller xpacs
unreal onyx
Smaller xpacs? We are still getting at least 3 seasons
And DF was also 4
SL too
Or is that concept beginning with TWW
trail bane
Is Viscera of Coalesced Hatred actually as good as the sims say?
unreal onyx
Viscera is good?
sour frigate
Its decent st
unreal onyx
It never really simmed well for me, but that also might be bc I got locknstock trink early
trail bane
For me they sim roughly the same on st
unreal onyx
That sounds odd to me
earnest canyon
Smaller xpacs? We are still getting at least 3 seasons
Yeah for tww metzen announced all 3 xpacs and said they would release closer together than we are used to
gleaming siren
Gm @smoky vale
My Warlock pulled Chug Jug it's 2ez
Maybe I can do damage this week if I don't play shit thoughts
unreal onyx
Yeah for tww metzen announced all 3 xpacs and said they would release closer tog...
With S2 being like 50% over and no new xpac announcement, we get at least a S3 imo
smoky vale
My Warlock pulled Chug Jug it's 2ez
gg, i turbo ran it down in my reclear
trail bane
expansions being closer together they probably ment no season 4 bullshit
smoky vale
also
idk how to do aoe on demo when packs die before my guys are summoned again
like
gg
unreal onyx
S4s lowkey goated bc fun season
Gear out the wazoo and decent m+ dungeons
- raid clear in 2 weeks
Only thing I dislike about S4s is that they are too long
trail bane
no new raid content = useless patch for me
gleaming siren
idk how to do aoe on demo when packs die before my guys are summoned again
Huh
You just summon the guys and blast
smoky vale
im prob playing with guys that are just too geared compared to me
me doing 10s with people 20 ilvl above me
the craziest part about the wl
i do equal more more damage on bosses
like what
smoky vale
ill try to record a key so you can see me do trash
but bosses are fine
also im going to assume its only worth to hold tyrant if its turbo desynced from downtime
gleaming siren
I mean Demo rn is literally mostly about keeping Dogs on CD and pressing HoGs
You basically never want to hold Tyrant
smoky vale
i do press those
gleaming siren
But you need Charhound and Dogs in Tyrant
smoky vale
i only hold tyrant if both dogs are desynced and are not available to send
smoky vale
yeah i ignore the imps
gleaming siren
Realistically you still implode quite a bit
You're buffing up your Demons with that too
smoky vale
maybe but i dont think thats whats losing me the most damage atm
sour frigate
Im fucking depressed with the new patch
Feral does 30kk dps every other pull and gets buff
🤦♀️
smoky vale
theres also bad overlaps i have where i get shadow bolt gives 3 shards and im sitting at 2/3 and my guard is gonna give me a shard but i cant demon bolt
because the gcd isnt enough to demon bolt hog
summer quail
Feral does 30kk dps every other pull and gets buff
welcome to raid balancing
sour frigate
welcome to raid balancing
gleaming siren
theres also bad overlaps i have where i get shadow bolt gives 3 shards and im si...
Idk man just send the overcap at that point wcyd
Or start a HoG cast and hope your Felguard is smart and does the thing in time
earnest canyon
theres also bad overlaps i have where i get shadow bolt gives 3 shards and im si...
I always felt warlock was just a clunky mage, ever since vanilla in 2004
thick fossil
Man I'm so glad we killed Bandit last night.
We were close before the nerfs, but now adds die so fast it might be better to run Slayer.
undone flower
do you guys have more info on the delve belt ? am i gonna do 30 dungeons + DELVES next reset ?
main salmon
Hello!
Can I post my vault here to ask a bit of help on what to pick ?
forest owl
so my vault this week is almost identical to the one i got last week, trash vault wtf are the chances of that bs -.-
undone flower
guess what i got 1 week before dinar/bandit kill
im a little sad, but i wait nothing from the vault now so 🤷♂️
main salmon
Does the eye of kezan undersim ? I can get it on my vault, on guides it says it's the best one but when I sim it for ST or AOE it worst that what I currently have so I don't know what to do
( I have Signet 655 and Reverb Radio 655 )
undone flower
sim 7min+ for eye of kezan
and if your content doesn't involve those fight lengths, don't sim 7min for eye of kezan
main salmon
So for m+ I guess that depend if the tank chain pull or not, but I can't really sim this ?
undone flower
i've seen quite huge uptimes but idk on what it depends since i don't watch chinese streams, idk what they do to have it so high
unreal onyx
im a little sad, but i wait nothing from the vault now so 🤷♂️
With only 2 slots you clearly didnt put the effort in
unreal onyx
Can you put down punching bags in m+?
main salmon
I do have the signet in Myth track tho that I can get ( I have it in hero at the moment ), should I go with this instead ?
( Shoulders would be for hero -> myth track tier set, same for hands )
unreal onyx
So for m+ I guess that depend if the tank chain pull or not, but I can't really ...
Correct, either myth raid or m+ is what I use mine for
unreal onyx
I do have the signet in Myth track tho that I can get ( I have it in hero at the...
Fury lootspec 
main salmon
Fury lootspec <:wokege:878564603137761342>
Is it bad ? First vault ^^'
main salmon
Aw dammit I didn't know that
unreal onyx
Which you got unlucky and got a 1H in your vault
The literal only difference between arms and fury lootspec is the weapons
And since you never want 1H anyway, you go arms lootspec
main salmon
Should I set my lootspec to arms all the time then or just for the vault ?
main salmon
I see, thanks for the tip!
unreal onyx
Signet trink is decent but not the best, propably not worth wasting a myth slot item on
I'd go either kezan or shoulders/gloves to catalyze
main salmon
So for my vault, I do mainly m+, heroic raid, I want to mythic raid but I don't have a guild yet so ... I guess kezan not good for raid, but maybe good for m+ depending on pulls ?
On the other hand signet is pretty strong, already have it in hero so would just be an upgrade.
Rest is tier set ilevel upgrade
unreal onyx
Just sim ST for 6 or 7 min and check
main salmon
You do patchwerk 7 min or an other one ?
undone flower
i repost what we looked a while ago in prot channel
unreal onyx
Kezan stacks? Or whats that
undone flower
yes kezan stacks
undone flower
walks, rp i guess
unreal onyx
But you don't just lose 1 stack when it runs out, no?
You start at 0 again
In the 1st you can see the full drop
undone flower
on cinderbrew you see when they change wings and when they run to the bees for last boss, and on cleft, once they are after the first boss it's GG
undone flower
drops = they are out of combat
unreal onyx
But lets say I am in combat, build up 20 stacks, leave combat
undone flower
(he plays rogue so vanish needs to be counted maybe)
undone flower
i just picked eye today in the vault idk how it works
unreal onyx
Like this, it dropped slightly, went up but not even to full and then dropped before going up again
undone flower
we were wondering a month ago why they all run eye
all meaning the two/three chinese prot in leaderboard
unreal onyx
Does randomly thunderclapping put you in combat for a split second?
unreal onyx
Odd, I really just don't get the drops of single stacks but I also could be misremembering the effect text
I thought it was: be in combat gain stacks, be not in combat lose all stacks
main salmon
decaying rapidly, I would guess mean you loss stack by stack but pretty fast, not all
unreal onyx
Looking at the timer, it does look very rapid
main salmon
I just tested on dummy really quick, it seems to be 1 stack every 2s ish out of combat
eternal compass
Can you look what they cast or do during that time to keep combat or just drag mobs
undone flower
i'm on the fucking target dummy stacking my new eye x)
10 seconds to lose 5 stacks
it's 20 seconds to lose the buff, you lose it at 10-11 stacks
each drops is 2 seconds basically on the graph
undone flower
you see in the ToP uptime, when it reach 10-11 it goes vertical to 0
he just is 20 seconds out of combat basically
i think even in pug i can run eye if it's really like that (since i tank)
Time for a 30 min 5 target sim eye of kezan 
undone flower
But more seriously, I wonder how it does on the bosses since they are at max stack right at the beginning of the encounter
chrome plover
@edgy widget small fyi, got 675 today, couldnt get the achieve no matter what spec/weapons etc, just logged over to another char and back and it granted, not sure if that means 2h bug is fixed or that i just didnt have it and you need to relog
forest owl
this was my vault last week, and i somehow got the same shit this week? fr? what a game.
stoic loom
this was my vault last week, and i somehow got the same shit this week? fr? what...
I got coalesced viscera for the 6th time this week
rng is really cool
forest owl
it feels absolutely horrible at times, i've filled my vault up with 8x 10s every week and then i watched a guildy last week do 1 key and got a 678 pacemaker 
stoic loom
it feels absolutely horrible at times, i've filled my vault up with 8x 10s every...
Yeah. Not seen a mythic weapon yet which is fantastic too
And the other 2 m+ slots were both boots, which i crafted last week
At least im fully socketed now : )
unreal onyx
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pXMYX4j4okFKiBDBHrfZuF "bis" boots 20k dps worse than current
hardy vector
what is a better combo for next week?
get two crafted weapons at 681, or craft 1 and get the Best in Slots on heroic ? since getting it on mythic is almost a no for me xD
chilly fractal
what is a better combo for next week?
get two crafted weapons at 681, or craft 1...
You can sim that
near wing
It’s a sad day, but after last evenings abysmal key results, I think it’s time to learn arms. RIP
plain summit
Hey everyone noob question here but I’m having trouble with my sustained DPS in raids. I’ve been running slayer with bladestorm and my burst with avatar and recklessness is fine but it seems I’m falling off a cliff. Anyone have some tips for keeping the sustain up?
near wing
Probably an uptime issue- r u new to fury warrior?
near wing
It’s almost always uptime
Easy to get through first 15 seconds, when things start getting dicey, if you find yourself not always casting, it’s just experience with the class
plain summit
So just keep practicing. Easy enough
I wonder if I’m being too cagey with boss mechanics as well? When I hit the dummy I’m hovering around 1.1 million dps but in raid I’m usually around 700k
640 ilvl
near wing
It’s a cascading problem, less uptime probably means lower enraged time. Less rage, means less rampage and less enrage time
stoic loom
cant rly go wrong with fury rotation, and the things that can go wrong arent that massive
so yeah its probably just uptime and not having high apm
plain summit
I don’t think my rotation is that bad. And for the record I don’t have this issue in mythic dungeons, but I run a different setup there
edgy widget
<@61282228017041408> small fyi, got 675 today, couldnt get the achieve no matter...
Na that’s separate from the earlier bug, which was fixed
chrome plover
ah so the mainhand bug thingy was fixed?
gleaming siren
I don’t think my rotation is that bad. And for the record I don’t have this issu...
If you have logs that's something that can be verified
plain summit
I'm a noob and have no idea how to pull logs
magic vessel
how do i gear as fury in sod?
fading sky
Go to classic
magic vessel
sod more fun
unreal onyx
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pXMYX4j4okFKiBDBHrfZuF "bis" boots 20k dp...
do I just take alledged "bis" boots and have a sim downgrade to store in bag or socket angle?
chrome plover
do I just take alledged "bis" boots and have a sim downgrade to store in bag or ...
why would you take the boots
unreal onyx
why would you take the boots
wowhead says they're bis
and the goal is to get all the bis gear
chrome plover
wowhead says they're bis
personally i wouldnt care for within variance
unreal onyx
yea true, that's also what I was thinking
chrome plover
if you have some personal goal of getting the wowhead bis list i guess that would be the only reason to take htem
if you actually care about the power of your guy, take a socket
that being said i might take a transmog option over a socket
unreal onyx
if I socket my wrists now and upgrade them to 675 this week the socket stays, right?
chrome plover
im pretty sure yeah
unreal onyx
socket it is
noble elm
Sockets and enchants stay, yes
sleek zenith
is grim codex any good for fury?
forest owl
big fat negative
unreal onyx
I mean, it's not dogwater, it's just "press button do flat dmg"
but there are definetly better ones
glossy vigil
Anyone tested thane with new buffs for slayers?
hardy shuttle
Id just think of it as a little extra raid damage and change nothing
lean lava
So still slayer will not be competitive to demolish arms or even thane?
south kayak
lmfao
ornate gust
What? 👀
dense elbow
Better nerf Fury
dense fulcrum
yo guys one question whats the real diff between authority of the depths vs radiant power? one is better in m+ and the other in raid or ?
sour tundra
not even close
quiet breach
yo guys one question whats the real diff between authority of the depths vs radi...
radiant better for m+
authority of the depths better for raid
because it takes time to stack authority its better for long fights
elfin vortex
Hi guys!
We may kill OAB tonight< what trinket i should be using ? the one that sims higher on single or some that give aoe benefits ?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/g6NXHQwNFyXDVtfXaMyP7A
dense fulcrum
radiant better for m+
authority of the depths better for raid
thanks 🙂
dense elbow
not even close
Ez clap
remote bobcat
Hi guys!
We may kill OAB tonight< what trinket i should be using ? the one that...
Boss dam I‘d argue
peak lagoon
why is blud playing mountain thane of all things on oab
remote bobcat
why is blud playing mountain thane of all things on oab
?
peak lagoon
are people just giga padding on adds or what
marble pilot
Thane is always good for padding. But there are some parts where its usefull so other people can be in full ST. But good luck winning that arguement
remote bobcat
why is blud playing mountain thane of all things on oab
Current rank 1 warrior on mythic oab is thane along with most other fury‘s playing thane
peak lagoon
theyre turbo padding adds
remote bobcat
It‘s not padding when adds are a must-kill priority
peak lagoon
if you want to prog and you actually have 0 ranged who can kill those things i guess you might go thane
remote bobcat
peak lagoon
but otherwise even fury slayer might probably be way better
marble pilot
No you say its very easy for fury to pick up the talents for aoe so your rets can play full ST
remote bobcat
but otherwise even fury slayer might probably be way better
Genuinely curious what you think causes wipes on oab
peak lagoon
youre losing like 300-400K boss dps
for existing
well i cant see what your comp is
maybe you guys have a demon comp
and its ethical
marble pilot
I mean its like stix someone has to kill the hyenas right might as well be me
remote bobcat
With current dps numbers im sure you can skip reel assistants 6 if you pump more boss dam by playing slayer but thats not beneficial for prog
marble pilot
But honestly probably best to just run full boss st. Or slayer with the 2 ww talents for when you have to aoe
marble pilot
I havnt actually looked in a while how much worse is thane on pure st these days
remote bobcat
More like 200-300
marble pilot
Enough worse to matter though. Unless there are adds that are not dieing fast enough without you.
remote bobcat
Enough worse to matter though. Unless there are adds that are not dieing fast en...
You dont want adds to die on time, you want adds to die asap in prog
peak lagoon
i mean if you are going into kill pulls you shouldnt be changing anything youre doing tho
remote bobcat
So theres less to worry about
modest condor
i guess 80% of fury warriors must be trolling
remote bobcat
Because boss dam is irrelevant
marble pilot
Also can say it helps with the bombs that spawn. With the free slows and bursty aoe
peak lagoon
i guess now it is
remote bobcat
Dmg checks are met by staying alive
It was a month ago
Now especially
Adds dead = less risk
Slayer during prog is not that good, genuinely
And calling it padding, while true, is kind of nonsense. You want the adds to die, you want padders
marble pilot
Yeah on OAB i wouldnt call it padding. On stix I would though
peak lagoon
my head was stuck when we progged it, guess the boss has been nerfed to shit with the raidbuff and gear upgrades
gonna be funny in a week or 2 when the prog strat will be the 4:20 lust push
peak lagoon
i didnt like colo arms
but we also had enough warlocks and shadow priest
with some dragons and mages
remote bobcat
i didnt like colo arms
Felt like shit with fatality so i went blord, actually much better
marble pilot
I dont like arms much in general. But love fury thane. Any excuse to use it ill take
peak lagoon
not taking fatality if you meet the push timing is a bit of an int tho
🤓
but getting less op/ms resets sometimes does feel poopy
by far
elfin vortex
why is blud playing mountain thane of all things on oab
add dmg
peak lagoon
smh cant believe everyone isnt runnign around with 2 of warlocks, mages and dragons and priests
😤
cant believe im out of touch with the regular playerbase now
its joever
obtuse glen
hi guys...what's the optimal way to sim fury for m+...dungeon slice...patchwork 8 target 1 minute? talking about sims relevant for +13 +14
obtuse glen
hi guys...what's the optimal way to sim fury for m+...dungeon slice...patchwork ...
@static loom @edgy widget
static loom
I'd sim patchwerk, patchwerk (with more targets) and dungeon slice, and see how things look between them
obtuse glen
thing is...i am in a bit of a crossroads situation now..., i got this https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7vjZ7F8T1PnK1m6dxH3cWi
and
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uKLHQBpzekwPCXuatZiiUY
trying to sim GV now...and both choices are appealing...but it's more of a now situation...and long term lesson learn...in case i find myself in a similar situation to be able to decide myself the correct path without the hassle
coarse nest
Socket was 6k for me haha
static loom
When I have doubts about what to pick from my vault, I usually ask myself three main questions
Which option is hardest to get
Which option is the easiest to find a replacement item for
Is any of the items a permanent item (AKA something I'll keep using for the rest of the tier)
And going by that checklist, between trinket and weapon:
Priory will technically be avilable from the Dinars soon, where as the weapon isn't going to be buyable (not that you'd want to spend Dinars on Priory), so I'd say that they have the same odds to be gained from the vault
There are 8 (I think) weapons from M+ availabe as Vault options, and for Priory you have HoC and the Delve trinket as options for an on-use trinket, both which are better (as they're 1½ mid trinkets)
This one is something only you'll be able to tell, as it will depend on if you'll have the option to get any of the raid weapons on mythic, if not, then the weapon may be a perma item. The trinket is harder to judge. I personally wouldn't view it as a perma item, but you'll have to judge yourself to answer that question
obtuse glen
given the dinar situation...both the weapon and the trinket are unobtainable for me from other sources other than GV cuz i have a compatibility issue with raiding 😄 ..
ignoring the above inconvenience, house of cards (hero track) it's technically easier to obtain and might be on par or slightly worse in this combination therefore i could get the weapon
silver niche
Good afternoon, a question: ravager is still profitable above bladestorm for m+?
static loom
For Thane, yes, for Slayer, no
obtuse glen
And going by that checklist, between trinket and weapon:
Priory will technically...
thanks for taking the time to answer...i had a similar approach in my head but since i was full of doubts i just needed a second opinion from a more experienced person. I'll go for the weapon for now as a closure for this matter since the first weapon in sight in raid is at Stix which feels unreachable for me right now and for trinkets...i feel like indeed there are similar options available that i have more chances to get compared to the weapon.
static loom
Always happy to help
Just remember that 90% of the time, the answer is Socket anyhow
uneven path
How much behind is slayer compare to thane after buffs, I saw its still worse, but no exact numbers
mortal grotto
I thought the answer was t reroll arms
uneven path
I thought the answer was t reroll arms
Always has been
chilly elbow
what is the break point of Mastery and Haste, what is the best stats depents if i go with Frenzied Enrage or Powerful Enrage
gilded pawn
chilly elbow
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/c...
really. i dont find anywhere the sim for it
smoky vale
really. i dont find anywhere the sim for it
yeah
clever belfry
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/c...
does this apply when i have 17ms or also when i am at the other place with 64ms?
smoky vale
no
gilded pawn
does this apply when i have 17ms or also when i am at the other place with 64ms?
yeah so the sim doesnt account for that
the higher your ping the worse haste is
you dig
clever belfry
no!!!!!
peak lagoon
How much behind is slayer compare to thane after buffs, I saw its still worse, b...
my slayer sims 5% behind in dslice sims and 10% ahead in patchwerk
still a bit sus in keys but defo not the worst
bladestorm does a suspicious amount of dmg now usually being the 2nd highest source
probably definitly the play in top atleast
peak lagoon
you just dont burst very high with slayer so its mostly sustained dmg and bladestorm eventually racking up when you cast it a couple times per pull
boss dmg is also disgustingly high with it since youre basically playing the raid cleave build
edgy widget
yeah so the sim doesnt account for that
Actually it does
But there’s no practical diff in pings that small
And with lag tolerance, higher ping shouldn’t = worse haste these days
covert blaze
the higher your ping the worse haste is
can confirm
smoky vale
hi zhai :3
chilly elbow
And with lag tolerance, higher ping shouldn’t = worse haste these days
what should i put my lag tolerance at if im at 21ping
i read something about depents on what class u play
edgy widget
W/e you want really, but no less than 150
winter shoal
400 sqw feels diabolical to me
uneven path
@edgy widget Sorry to bother you, but with buffed storm, when does BT takes prio over RB (how many targets)
winter shoal
I'm on like 180 I think at ~35ms
winter shoal
its the default setting
It is
winter shoal
<@61282228017041408> Sorry to bother you, but with buffed storm, when does BT ta...
3 targets
It's close on 2 though
dense fulcrum
Opinion about viscera for pure ST? u guys like it?
winter shoal
Opinion about viscera for pure ST? u guys like it?
Depends on your other trinkets/gear, sim will tell you
It's generally pretty decent though
winter shoal
2.34 at 670 seems low
dense fulcrum
its thane
tranquil grail
thane maybe?
winter shoal
Oh nvm thane
dense fulcrum
with slayer is prob more
winter shoal
Idk if I were you I'd keep your current trinkets and save crests for stuff next week but I'm not a vault connoisseur
dense fulcrum
it will be uncapped anyway next week so whatever
winter shoal
Yeah it'd just be a matter of saving the time from running the keys to get crests to upgrade the trinket
Or just take socket
sinful spoke
not bad for first kill i think
sinful spoke
toxic swordfish
sullen dove
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3PobMrWxc7Go9ELcdCvtv1 im weak 😦
You have raid buffs turned off
coral fiber
Is Slayer better than Thane in keys now or is it still a Thane angle
sullen dove
thane
undone quartz
I believe thane is still our go to
sullen dove
can maybe feel like not trollin as much in 10s or something if u want to play slayer tho
coral fiber
Nah I gotta get my 13resils I was just curious with the bt nerf
undone quartz
did you say bt nerf? as in bloodthirst?
sullen dove
coral fiber
undone quartz
oii! i was concerned. i didn't see it myself lol
with the raid buffs 🙂 ty for noticing that
coral fiber
Execute and bs buffs are pog though
flat river
Execute and bs buffs are pog though
execute buffs?
peak lagoon
can maybe feel like not trollin as much in 10s or something if u want to play sl...
slayer fury raid cleave build is kinda creeping up to thane in aoe, its just that it doesnt have uncapped aoe thunderclap (who tf cares)
with disgusting ST
not cope
timber hare
slayer fury raid cleave build is kinda creeping up to thane in aoe, its just tha...
You tried any high keys with slayer?
storm birch
I see why people like this comp so much. 15 motherlode a coulda been +2 but we had a random wipe haha
They were in shock at my boss dmg 🤣
pulsar prawn
just wondered because since season start i was running MT m+ build from wowhead without Unbridled fury. but on archon it seems everyone has it ? when it got good? and also why isnt it a thing on bandit mythic ?
remote bobcat
not bad for first kill i think
damn solid
peak lagoon
You tried any high keys with slayer?
not yet just tried some piss low keys in both top and meadery to see how it felt
remote bobcat
not yet just tried some piss low keys in both top and meadery to see how it felt
try loboz build in a +10
coarse nest
I see why people like this comp so much. 15 motherlode a coulda been +2 but we h...
Clappa?
timber hare
try loboz build in a +10
Got a link to said build?
smoky vale
no onslaught no fun
hardy bluff
loboz builds will be called gio builds in the future
coarse nest
Mountain Thaine
storm birch
Oh lmao yea
peak lagoon
not taking fast enrage
storm birch
I was thinking about doing slayer but I decided not to
Slayer does feel like the buffs are nice raid least
Pumpin
dense elbow
m+ slayer is quite fun, and having the advantage on bosses are always fun (as long mechanics dont screw you over). So I do recommend if you are wondering to try it, just do it o/
smoky vale
gain 30s of key time while losing 4m for not playing arms 
dense elbow
Prio dam matters
smoky vale
not hwen you do tank damage
dense elbow
To be fair, outside the giga AoE pulls and the bigger AoE pulls, we are far ahead of the tank
I will even say we are close to the pack of DPS
smoky vale
xd
timber hare
Lmao just sussed loboz wcl
smoky vale
i would say giga packs are where you lose the most time
timber hare
Maybe he is lisan al gaib
dense elbow
He does good dam, not played with him this season. But he usually pumpin'
dense elbow
Dew it
timber hare
Report back here with your findings
dense elbow
Reck-charge, ramp, Roar, Spear, BS, OF?
smoky vale
im not playing roar
dense elbow
Wait, OF is less dam than empowered ramp, so charge, RB, RB, RB, roar, spear, OF, BS, Rampage?
dense elbow
:)
smoky vale
i dont need 80 rage to play the game man
dense elbow
So you doing RB, RB, RB, roar, spear, OS, BS, rampage?
last yoke
who let him cook
timber hare
The key is already bricked
dense elbow
I have no idea what you cook aim to do, so why not try to get ramp to hit hard as possible?
timber hare
You gotta just let him fuck around and find out
dense elbow
All I know it aint DPS overall
storm birch
m+ slayer is quite fun, and having the advantage on bosses are always fun (as lo...
I def wanna try it but aside from a couple specs we are kinda top 25% for bods dmg even on thane right? I always feel like I top the charts on bods dmg in dungeons
smoky vale
i could dump rb after bs
coral fiber
Should still hammer bosses in Thane yeah
dense elbow
I def wanna try it but aside from a couple specs we are kinda top 25% for bods d...
I do around 2.5m, when thane players does 2.8m, rough take. It is a bit behind on overall, but playing Fury only boss dam matters. Mine is 700-800k, a thane player is usually 600-700k
So better prio dam got more value for the reason we are brought
coral fiber
You're doing 800k dps?
smoky vale
oh nah
dense elbow
Bosses dont last the whole key, so yah
Avg dps per boss event would be around 2 to 3m
coral fiber
That's how I sit with Thane too
storm birch
Yea depends on boss. Azerokk I’m like 4.8m but 3rd ML boss I’m like 2.4m
coral fiber
Thunder blast and lightning bolts just feel good
gusty quartz
whats the addon for simming?
dense elbow
SimC
coral fiber
Simulationcraft
gusty quartz
thanks
dense elbow
enjoy the road to minmax o/
plush maple
Thane just feels like a Prot "fantasy"
Slayer Fury and Colossus Arms, just makes sense
coral fiber
I really fw Thane tbh
Just a cool hero tree
I enjoyed Slayer arms but that was last season
uneven path
Have you tried it ?
quiet breach
if u add a havoc DH to a raid that already has a vengeance DH do you get anything?
like how having another warrior is another rally
for example
dense elbow
More darknesses I guess
coral fiber
Bit of damage
coral fiber
Maybe another fear sigil if they're playing funny
Or another dash into a mechanic so you could count it as a -1 brez
gusty quartz
what am i supposed to do to sim my gear? i downloaded the addon and it just gives me alink, went to website theres no such thing to post the link
unreal onyx
general question, is it better for short heroic raid fights to use the ST gem in cyrces circle or the stat gem
coral fiber
Go to top gear
In the raidbots website
Post the string in the add-on when you open it into topgear
unreal onyx
well yea, I wanted to skip that xd
flat river
loboz builds will be called gio builds in the future
come again?
u mean gala57 builds
coral fiber
Oh u just can't
gusty quartz
oh thanks!
dense elbow
Slayer will be a gala build over my dead body
coral fiber
Sims aren't always correct either
last yoke
talkin' mad shit for someone in slayin' range
flat river
You dont respect OF and BS
you do know that when everyone was hating on you for wanting OF to be buffed i was the only one who had ur back right
dense elbow
Nah, you didnt step up during the pile-on era
flat river
i did
dense elbow
I was right tho, blizz even buffed it to my spesifications... only to take it away again, leaving us at yet again asking for 125% OF dam buffs
flat river
dense elbow
On a positive note tho, BS got buffed. On an annoying note, so did reap
flat river
bro's still on the objectivly correct anime tier list
that was litterally a month ago
💀
smoky vale
off target is putting it nice
flat river
it's objectivly correct
smoky vale
that thing was horrendous
peak lagoon
they need to give fury back bladestorm signet
i want my double bladestorm
i want to fcking spin
south kayak
no u
flat river
is aug good now
thick fossil
you say that after your horrendous anime list
Was it really that bad?
smoky vale
most people waste essence without ebon might
tepid cedar
they need to give fury back bladestorm signet
When is the corruption head enchants coming out?
smoky vale
20th
tepid cedar
Whoops sorry on tag
south kayak
for most players prob not
True
remote bobcat
Have you tried it ?
no lol
inner zinc
Man looking at talents and abilities wars have in mop classic is eye opening as to just how terrible our utility is atm. Like day and night
south kayak
Everyone had insane amount of utilities and shit in mop lol
that expac was crazy in terms of shit
remote bobcat
Come on try it <a:keksquad:766690598635044895>
i will never play loboz build in anything above +6
smoky vale
no reason to play fury
uneven path
no reason to play warrior
dense elbow
i will never play loboz build in anything above +6
Shame, it is a fun build when things live for longer, get that BT value going
Sure, every press is random if you gained or lost damage that press - but that is the fun of it, no?
smoky vale
no
dense elbow
south kayak
no reason to play fury
Fury worse than aug now
south kayak
bug?
smoky vale
you could spam dragon breath
south kayak
what
smoky vale
and have 5 bombardments out at once
sorry deep breath
same thing though
just perma cdr on it
south kayak
I see
peak lagoon
Fury worse than aug now
your mom told you not to lie
fury even tho its sus in high key is far from the worst spec
very stinky