fury

[sullen tendon]

or just played arms

[sullen dove]

arms ja clappa

did they vote s3 arms don’t remember

Surely right

[sullen tendon]

yes

[fading sky]

S1 sadly

[sullen dove]

Other 2 were cosmetic garbage

tf?

[sullen tendon]

i thoguht it was s3

[fading sky]

S1 arms won ofc

[radiant plank]

S1 won

[sullen tendon]

season 1 wucked for a ton of classes

[fading sky]

It was the steongest

[sullen dove]

oh cuz it was just the most raw dmg even tho boring as fuck

[radiant plank]

then they buffed s3

2 weeks after

voting ended

xdd

[fading sky]

So arms got nerfed❤️🤣

Took 2 seasons to make mortal strike what it was in df

[sullen tendon]

arms feels like shit still even after rework

[radiant plank]

what rework

[sullen tendon]

they made it so you dont use overpoer and just spam cleave

its slow and the abilities dont look cool

fury abilities look bad too but atleast its smoother than arms

[sullen dove]

Colo pretty fire but still good bit of bloat ya

collat cleave and demolish tho s tier abilities

[sullen tendon]

demolish lol

fuck that ability to hell

[burnt kelp]

minimalist abilities is the last good thing warrior has

[radiant plank]

Noobs cant be winners...

[sullen dove]

has meme moments but damage is worth it

[burnt kelp]

you can't see shit while playing ret paladin

[sullen dove]

[burnt kelp]

maybe that's why ret paladins suck so much

[sullen tendon]

cast demolish just for tank to move the pack

[burnt kelp]

they can't see their own screen with all those explosions of light

unholy dk with improved dnd can't see the ground either

[smoky vale]

yep

[sullen tendon]

"improved"

[sullen dove]

Tell your clown tank to stand still or you will carpet bomb his bedroom

[sullen tendon]

it looks shittier and covers ground aoes

[burnt kelp]

sorry, defile

the pile of shit on the ground

[sullen tendon]

the old festering mold stuff looked better

[burnt kelp]

tbh defile looking like base dnd would be the biggest buff possible for unholy dk

[sullen tendon]

make it look like this

[fading sky]

Arms deffo feels very good in m+

[rapid forge]

i play arms in m+ instead of fury since could of weeks and it sucks less but isnt super great either tbh

[whole yacht]

arms doesnt feel good ever in any content

it feels boring as hell

[fickle cedar]

wtf stop im eating

[pure breach]

Totally agreed

[hushed gust]

Demolish feels good to get it off, by the root makes it feel bad when every dungeon has ground clutter mechanics.

[hollow elk]

feels boring doing 1 mil less overall than a hunter with no cooldowns tho

[hushed gust]

That said, I don’t think the new buffs on the 6th will change that. 30% to bladestorm and reap the storm is big, but i dunno if it’ll be big enough to swap of Colossus/Mountain Thane.

[hollow elk]

archie already said this. i mean you arent supposed to use slayer in m+ anyways.

[hushed gust]

Then it’s good to have confirmation.

[spare vapor]

string

[gilded pawn]

"not supposed to" is a strong word

tuning just happens so that its the case

[quiet breach]

is Aug back?

15% is alot

[hoary agate]

15% of 0 is still 0

[fading sky]

Demolish with a bit of practice very very seldom does it cancel

[hushed gust]

Well of course, with practice you can pull it off, but I’m entirely talking about feel here.

[thick fossil]

Well, the tank can be a spazz as well.

[hushed gust]

Sporadically chaining out of nowhere can mess you up, yeah. That’s rather rare though.

[quiet breach]

have to redo all my weakauras because i didnt know i had to backup a certain file before re-installing wow to a different drive 😩

thank god i dont have that many

will prob take like an hour max to remake the ones i have/copy the ones i copied

i can imagine this would be the end of the world for someone more heavy into this

[plush zephyr]

An hour? sheeesh

[summer quail]

depends what you mean by "back". meta? nahh. viable? yes

[earnest shuttle]

question, did something happened to fury or arms warrior recently? feel like I'm doing less dps and all other classes are doing like 300k dps extra than before

[summer quail]

no. other classes have gotten buffs tho, so warrior has kinda fallen further behind. don't worry we are getting buffed(in raid) atleast

in m+ well tough luck

[earnest shuttle]

problem is, the numbers I see are in raid

30% buff on bladestorm doesn't seem to be meaningful tbh

[summer quail]

yes, and look at the end of what i said. 30% on bladestorm is absolutely meaningful on several fights. stix, rik, oab(not sure there) but most importantly on gally

[fluid cedar]

what trinket combo yall think i should take for keys? pugging like 12+ range. all hero track i have signet, pacemaker, locknstalk, eye of kezan, and viscera

[fickle cedar]

I would 100% take pacemaker, for the 2nd one I would lean towards signet since you'll be able to sync it to avatar and 3rd recks so its not that bad

[quiet breach]

pacemaker and signet

for raid go eye of kezan and lockenstalk @fluid cedar

[hushed gust]

Sim it. Eye requires high momentum, so dungeons with down time like Theatre are gonna kill it.

But the ones I run are a heroic amplifier from delves and a heroic house of cards. A myth pacemaker would likely replace the amplifier, just not that lucky on vault quite yet.

[hushed raven]

i have radio darkness hotline and pacemaker what would you choose for m+

[fickle cedar]

radio and pace

[hushed raven]

ah forgot to add lfr radio

nvm even sim shows me lfr radio as better than other trinkets

[fickle cedar]

probably still radio, darkness and hotline arent that good on m+

[hushed raven]

gotta replace arms gear i was using going back to fury arms is not for me

[warped monolith]

is dungeon slice decent for simming m+? or should i use 1 target/8target sims?

[fickle cedar]

If I wanna sim m+ I usually do 1t/5m and 5t/5m (both thane talents) and then I choose the best average result

[marble pilot]

Also rocking radio and pacemaker.

[smoky vale]

5% st buff

[thick fossil]

So these buffs are certai ly raid targeted. Are they meaningful? Hell no, and worse they buffed reap which is RnG.

[supple laurel]

How come kezans eye shows as -0.1 for me in droptimizer. Thought it was absolute bis trink for ST

[thick fossil]

What was the length of the sim?

[supple laurel]

5 min

[smoky vale]

the longer the fight goes the better it becomes

[hushed gust]

It’s likely BIS in myth tier, but certain gear sets might want other things. What are you currently running?

[warm crag]

should already be best for prog at hc ilvl

[plush maple]

Orc master race

[supple laurel]

mechano and sus drink

658/665

[proud portal]

Back to this.

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bas-bryan-cranston-walter-white-i-won-won-gif-4327378

[sour frigate]

[proud portal]

Now I at least take a break

before doing super boost stuff in two weeks and get more resiliency, keep pushing

[eternal lance]

[pearl tide]

15% yes, but only personal damage so really around a 3-5% buff from what sims show

[crude ridge]

Links to your sim would help

[fluid cedar]

whomst thou ready to nzoth beam priory mobs

[modest condor]

unlikely we're playing that corruption

[woven valley]

I wonder which one will be the best? I remember when the bleed was insane back In the day and got nerfed the day they put in the corruption vendor lol 😂

[modest condor]

unless something changes we're gonna be playing the stat one

[edgy widget]

post-tuning, infinite stars, twilight devastation, and gushing wound are pretty close single target, but Void Ritual is noticably stronger in multitarget

so there's just no reason to ever run anything but Void

and that will probably hold true for just about everyone

[quiet breach]

is void significantly behind in ST?

[red berry]

no void is still ahead in ST iirc

[edgy widget]

no

[red berry]

yeah its just close

r

then it was

except for AOE

[edgy widget]

Void Ritual is the strongest corruption across the board

• Stars, Twilight, Wound are close to it in ST, so you could use them if you really wanted to
• Everything is far behind it in MT, so Void is the only competitive option
  ergo, there's no real reason to use anything but Void since changing corruptions back and forth or getting two helmets is more trouble than it's worth

[quiet breach]

thanks

[blissful olive]

For mudslide in FG it is spell reflectable right? I still got one shot lmao

I have the WA telling me to SR and I thought I timed it right but it was wrong, does any1 have a video on how to do it?

[sudden tusk]

THE WEAK AURA IS WRONG

as a general note you can only spell reflect things that specifically target you as an individual

there are some puddles in the game that technically specifically target you and you can avoid damage by spell reflecting that damage because the puddle itself is a new entity causing dot damage in its radius or some sphaghetti coded shit

but generally 98% of all AoE not reflectable

[stray pivot]

Anyone else's been having an issue making decent DPS past a +10/11? I've been really struggling and I don't know if it's just me doing my rotation in a bad order or if the class does little damage in comparison to other classes

Been using Hekili and all but it feels like its not helping at all

[crude ridge]

Depends on the dungeon/mob size

[twin glacier]

That is not correct and not completely wrong.
Firstly you can spell reflect abilities for dps that are not target on you. For example in rookery the diffusers arcing void ability.

Some other abilities like puddles can sometimes be deflected.

Almost every bit of magic dmg can be reduced by spell reflect.

[sudden tusk]

issue with that. if you are near other people it will still jump to them

even if its someone elses circle

[twin glacier]

And?

[sudden tusk]

in a 17 thats a group wipe

[twin glacier]

What are u talking?

[crude ridge]

He's talking about standing in their circle

[twin glacier]

What I just mentioned

If the arcing void is on you and you reflect noone gets any dmg.

Also it doesn’t matter if it’s a group wipe or not that’s not the discussion, right?

It is about spell reflect and that it indeed can reflect abilities not target on you

[sudden tusk]

there are a few things that work like that. the only other one i can think of is the echo blade in motherload

from this season

[twin glacier]

Another example for an ability that is deflected by spellreflect not target towards your player body is the tornados on 2nd boss dfc.

[fading sky]

Its targeted on u?

Big arrow?

[sudden tusk]

thats becuase the damage it does specifically targets players within its area of effect. the way its coded each person in its area is individually targeted by damage which is then reflectable becuase it is a direct to your character targetted effect

[crude ridge]

Technically it is targeted at you lol

[sudden tusk]

which is the edge case i explained in the puddle scenario

[crude ridge]

You just step out of its way

[sudden tusk]

if you dodge it, you can also save reflect for the dousing flame cast for dr as well

[twin glacier]

Technically it is, but the tornados of your party members are not and you still reflect them.

[twin glacier]

Again, that doesn’t matter. No one is asking for a guide on how to play certain dungeon mechanics.

We are talking about spell reflect and what it actually does

[sudden tusk]

dog i dont think you understand what i tried to explain

[twin glacier]

And I am right

Aye yo don’t call me dog

[crude ridge]

Hound

[sudden tusk]

i dont say dog as in how euopeans use it as an insult

i say it as an american as i am adressing you in general

wasn't ment to be rude

[twin glacier]

What ever, as I said if your party stacks up for tornados to extinguish candles. You can reflect multiple of them. Another example of an ability deflectsble which wasn’t target at you.

[sudden tusk]

the tornados when spawned are stacked. each of them cast an identical spell id on impact specifically targetting you as a player. the Damage event has an ICD assiociated with it making it so you cannot be hit twice by the same tornado in x amount of time.

what you are reflecting is on contact each individual tornado hits you at the same time so you reflect each of them, as the tornado itself is casting a spell at you

so its a direct targeted spell on your character which batched together with the other tornados allowing you to immune its damage effectively

[twin glacier]

Is there any source to that or is it how u logically try to explain it

[sudden tusk]

spell reflect cannot reflect any actual AoE abilities. only things that specifically target your character with a damage event can proc the reflect

so the waves in floodgate as an example are aoes that do not target your character with a damage effect, but have an aura of damage associated with them to go alongside their ability to move your character

[twin glacier]

Because if there is no source I’d counter your argument by saying. If multiple players are on the same spot and would get hit. The tornados would cast multiple spells at the same time at the same player, which is something that isn’t happening. Therefore it would make it a single cast which would be an aoe ability

[crude ridge]

The void circle in rook is an AOE and you can reflect it by standing in it when it's targeting another player

[hardy bluff]

its a chain lightning

[hardy bluff]

you can absolutly get shotgunned by those tornados

[modest condor]

you could reflect the frontal on skrillex in sepulcher

[sudden tusk]

but thats only becuase you reflect the specific damage instance that hits your character, the additional chains will still happen unless you are the first player targetted

[twin glacier]

Inot what the discussion is about. It’s about what sr can do

[modest condor]

also what ark said, when i stand in the tornadoes it tells me i deflected multiple hits

[sudden tusk]

spell reflect can reflect multiple things if hit at the same time

which is how the nados work

becuase they all spawn in the same location

[twin glacier]

What about bubbles in floodgate

[sudden tusk]

i haven't tried so i dont know

i assume they kill you becuase the damage looks aoe

you can reflect a stack of backwash tho

[twin glacier]

The mob is named bubbles. I am talking about the dot

[modest condor]

.

[sudden tusk]

yes becuase each individual stack of the dot is a projectile from the mob to you

it targets every player and casts on them each 3 times

its an aoe ability, but it hits each player individually

[hardy bluff]

aoes can be different

[sudden tusk]

it all depends on how the actual ability is coded and implimented

[twin glacier]

Which isn’t true for every other aoe?

[hardy bluff]

like a shadowbolt volley will be reflectable

[sudden tusk]

but a shadow wave wont

[twin glacier]

Echoing Blade in motherlod

[hardy bluff]

targeted ability

[twin glacier]

Can be reflected if not targeted

[twin glacier]

It’s kinda trying if you jump into a discussion and haven’t read the initial arguments

[crude ridge]

Spell reflect is like leap. You'd think you can reflect any and all magic abilities just like how you'd think you can leap over any and all ground mechanics.

[sudden tusk]

dont leap over gallywix lazors

[modest condor]

flamethrower from the robots in floodgate can be deflected

not a targeted ability

[twin glacier]

All I was saying from the start is that what Maddox said isn’t 100% correct with what he has written here

[modest condor]

frontal from last boss in top can be deflected

also not targeted

[sudden tusk]

it just 100% depends on how its implimented

its funky

[twin glacier]

Exactly

So I thought it was bold statement to say you cannot reflect any aoe

[sudden tusk]

you cant reflect aoe if its coded as aoe

[twin glacier]

Which u are still trying to defend by saying backwash, exhoblades are target aoe spells

[sudden tusk]

echo blade targets a player, and any players hit by it on the way take individual damage, and splash aoe damage. so the spell individually targets the players who are hit by it

which is why we can reflect it

[twin glacier]

Buddy it doesn’t get more aoe than backwash, how they are coding it doesn’t matter. There is similar other abilities like backwash that you absolutely cannot reflect.

[sudden tusk]

i really think you either misunderstand or strait up do not understand what im trying to explain, but that's alright

[twin glacier]

?

You are explaining why spell xyz is reflected and how maybe the mechanic behind it works for us to be able to sr

But reality is that backwash for example has so many similar abilities in the game which we cannot reflect

[junior gale]

to be fair in that situation most people spell it like Dawg

[oblique trail]

The game in general has just been consistently inconsistent with what you're able to reflect

I.e consecration from Priory on launch of the expansion was reflectable, despite being an aoe ability

[twin glacier]

Exactly my argument from the start and u cannot rule out things.

[sudden tusk]

the reason why backwash works as a reflect is becuase it has to individually hit then debuff you so it is an individually targetted spell. The closest thats like it would be the Charged Shot from the War mechs in Motherload, however becuase those can be outranged i dont think it individually selects people (even though the animation looks like it) and is actually just an aoe

[twin glacier]

Okay so now reason the keg dot in cbw last boss.

It’s also an individual application to my character but cannot be reflected.

[celest sierra]

Will Tuesdays buffs to bladestorm and slayer make slayer the play for keys etc ?

[modest condor]

withering discharge from the jumpy guys in top is an aoe ability that can be reflected

[smoky vale]

no

[sudden tusk]

you can reflect the burning ricochet dot, but im just assuming its also an AoE that applies a dot. blizzard can also flag what is reflectable and what isnt

[opal monolith]

Watch paint dry or read half hour discussion about the inner workings of spell reflect, what do I pick

[modest condor]

all you need to know is that there's no logic to what can be reflected

some aoe abilities can be reflected, some cant

some physical casts can be reflected, some cant

some dots can be reflected, some cant

[sudden tusk]

they removed the reaping scythe reflect and i learned the hard way on week 1

[opal monolith]

Theres probably an engine reason and if I were a developer I'd tell you to put this conversation to rest 🤣 for now just bookmark the spell reflect doc

[twin glacier]

Madox, I liked our discussion. I think u are smart and educated about the game. But I hope we can agree that, surely u gave some reasoning to why some spells maybe reflectsble. Fact is tho your initial statement wasn’t true. Than at the end of the day backwash, cinder wounds, echoing blades and many other examples share similarities of aoes that are not target at you and are still reflectsble.

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/im-out-of-here-gif-24981088

[opal monolith]

If he used spell reflect he would have lived

Stupid kermit

[twin glacier]

F

[junior gale]

idk about that the ground is pretty physical

[opal monolith]

But was the ground targeting him

[twin glacier]

Madox can surely explain why it’s reflectsble

[junior gale]

its a magical sidewalk

[modest condor]

the casts from the mobs after 1st boss in motherlode are also physical and reflectable

[opal monolith]

No the blade

[modest condor]

[sudden tusk]

blade is sonic damage which is physical and nature i beleive

counts as both

[opal monolith]

Oh

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/the-legend-of-zelda-ganondorf-link-ocarina-of-time-oot-gif-18242556

[modest condor]

im pretty sure sonic damage is just physical damage

i remember that being a thing on sludgefist

where people realised amz wasnt doing anything

[sudden tusk]

who knows man

spaghetti code

[opal monolith]

Sonic damage is physical damage that bypasses armor apparently

Holy

[sudden tusk]

then i have no idea why we are alloed to reflect echo blade

[opal monolith]

Which if you think of it makes perfect sense, a sonic wave would physically hurt you regardless of armor unless you're wearing sound proofing armor

[sudden tusk]

sonic damage i assumed used duel damage types that just targetted your lowest defense

[modest condor]

the big guys in plaguefall that dropped small mobs after you killed them that you had to step on to kill them

that was also reflectable physical damage

[sudden tusk]

why is Zac from league of legends in my mmo

[opal monolith]

Sil remembers this meanwhile I don't remember if I brushed my teeth today

[twin glacier]

Because it isn’t the first time ever that tooltips are about fucked. I never wanted to use that against your reasoning. But only because blizzard has written down a tooltip in a certain way doesn’t mean it depicts how the ability really works.

[sudden tusk]

remember when people were freaking out about the plaguefall mount, but the reality is noone just went back up stairs after clearing the dungeon

secret hunters were very mad

[modest condor]

i mean who goes in and solos a heroic dungeon for fun

i remember it wasnt exactly a walk in the park either

tank specs and pet specs could do it easily, but dps warriors still had a bit of trouble when it was found

[mossy pelican]

so is putting "resil" in your group title supposed to imply it's a chill group?

[sudden tusk]

no

[modest condor]

no it implies that if things go wrong you can just go again

[smoky vale]

madox can i use your resil keys

🙂

[sudden tusk]

warrior is on hold while twtcomplainr get prepped for dinars

almost noones running phys comp in lfg anyway so 17s are hard to get into

[mossy pelican]

isn't being able to restart no consequences kinda chill tho

[smoky vale]

surely i can mind control swordish to do keys if you are there

[sudden tusk]

me bad

bed

well also bad

[smoky vale]

bedge

[sudden tusk]

i think ive farmed closer to 300-ish crests i just need to actually farm keys tomorrow and monday

[smoky vale]

i want to finish my 15s by next reset

yeah

i also need to finish alt keys

im exhausted i did 8 boost keys

i hate 10s

i learned 0

[sudden tusk]

keys are really weird

every dungeon is basically the exact same until you come across something that one shots your guy

then you have to have a plan for it

were gonna have like 12m hp by the time we finish crests during turbo week

if not more

im also saving all my heroic and lower crests to turn into gilded when the patch hits

save some time

[smoky vale]

i think that week

im just going to push on dk then leave others on weekly duty

[sudden tusk]

i dont even do weeklies on warrior anymore unless im helping

already have neck + pace

[smoky vale]

ya i could prob raid log

[young swan]

still need pantaloons

and booties

surely

[smoky vale]

but might have to do more since the boost is coming

[sudden tusk]

i still only have a H chest

[smoky vale]

i think im missing 4 myth pieces on warrior

[young swan]

not full myth tier pep lofe

[smoky vale]

i am

[sudden tusk]

tbh i think i might just swap all my gear to haste mas for fury for a few weeks

[smoky vale]

im missing trinket rings back?

[sudden tusk]

tho fury doesnt mind having some extra crit

[smoky vale]

playing fury

[young swan]

arms is shit piss

[smoky vale]

idk

after nerubar

its not fun

[young swan]

no dam unless u have 50% crit

epic

[smoky vale]

killed ra and no aoe burst

i love arms

gn

xan ill see you in my weekly keys

[sudden tusk]

idk the only slot i have left to craft

is ring

i could technically craft a chest but like

thats kinda cringe

eh its technically not a crest waste so may as well

[hardy bluff]

how is crafting your offpiece a waste?

its like the biggest upgrade

[sudden tusk]

its just weird crafting a tier slot

i am debating playing fury on mugzee tho

if we want to 4min 4heal push with a buyer it surely does more P1 damage

[hardy bluff]

crafting my biggest upgrade is weird lole

[junior gale]

weird but still worth

[covert blaze]

relatable

[gleaming siren]

This was the correct craft for so many people for prog especially but it's not a thing people do for some reason

[sudden tusk]

its really weird for prog situations vs embelish slots

[gleaming siren]

Not really Gloves/Shoulders cause you'd generally just have crafted Boots/Belt instead but Head/Chest/Legs were crazy good crafts

Especially Chest/Legs with them being locked to 4th&7th/5th&7th bosses respectively

[smoky vale]

i cant sleep

[edgy widget]

unless you get them in vault, since you can do that for any slot w/out killing the boss

[hardy bluff]

chest is an embelishslot

people are just hard mindcontrolled into crafting bracer and cloak

[edgy widget]

it really just depends on what you get - the majority of people craft weapon first anyway, and by the time you get to your 3rd spark there's a much better likelihood you already have mythic tier pieces or soon will anyway

so the reason bracer and cloak get recommended is because they're safe crafts for pretty much everyone, not because they're necessarily always the best crafts at any or all given times

• especially bracer, since you can add a socket to it without fear of replacing the item if you happen to get a bad early vault

[fading sky]

Ye just get good vaults?

[clever belfry]

chest craft man :3

but but but it couldve dropped sprocket!!!

[gleaming siren]

Honestly

for people that prog the raid at a good pace Wrist/Cloak craft with gilded

are giga troll

almost always, until you end up with more crests than you can spend on good slots really

but those are also the type of player that shouldn't go to read the Wowhead guide for their crafting advice

[clever belfry]

just do da craft simulation

[random raptor]

how far behind is slayer vs thane before the buffs in m+

[low folio]

not an easy thing to guess, slayer has a bit of rng to its aoe dps while thane has more consistency. they are probably gonna be kinda close after such a large aoe buff

[chrome plover]

I did head craft this tier 👍

and had 658 wrists til last reset

[silk gate]

Quick question: When I'm in the Brutal Finish window how many times do i RB past the rage cap? I understand that i wanna rampage during the Enrage window still being up. But it feels weird to RB when rage capped?

[chrome plover]

up to 5 stacks of slaughtering strikers or until raging blow runs out of charges

[silk gate]

Okay its like that damn

[chrome plover]

or until you’ll do an unenraged raging blow

[warm crag]

congrats you didnt troll holy moly

[silk gate]

So i wanna RB 1 last time before enrage ends and then reenter enrage with the big rampage?

[chrome plover]

So rampage when enrage drops before next global/ss is at 5 stacks/out of rb charges

[silk gate]

I understand

[warm crag]

kind of yeah but i think you're looking at it from the wrong angle

after bladestorm you legit just press rb until enrage is gone or you are out of rb

[silk gate]

Okay

So rage cap does not exist in the scenario

Its not anything we worry about

[warm crag]

only in this scenario ye

[silk gate]

Okay

[chrome plover]

caveats are if you need bladestorm/reck up fast you might wanna just sent rampage

[silk gate]

Ye i get that

[warm crag]

ye on gallywix mythic you should just ramp

[silk gate]

On Gallywix for example

Ye

[chrome plover]

yep

Exactly

[warm crag]

or rik maybe hmm

i have a 99 i do not care for optimizing that fight anymore

[chrome plover]

although I think i did a few cheeky extra raging blows on my rank 3 gally

xdd

[silk gate]

and i still send BT when im in the crit threshold during RB spam

[chrome plover]

first reclear next reset surely I can fix some

[warm crag]

yeah well my r1 is now r43

(locked in at r1 get cooked)

[warm crag]

No

[silk gate]

Its just RB?

[chrome plover]

I locked in at rank 3 (98 parse)

[warm crag]

just open da wowhead guide and look at it

[silk gate]

Im looking at it now kek

[silk gate]

Thats why im asking in here because theres certain things that are unclear to me

[warm crag]

this is kind of imprecise but APL just does this but only presses RB if you have <4 slaughtering strikes stacks iirc

[silk gate]

What about in this scenario

the opener

Do i still ultra send RBs?

[warm crag]

its a sample opener

you would yes

[silk gate]

Okay thats a case of running out of stacks

[warm crag]

its a case of it'd be too confusing for noobers if you put 2-5 rbs there

[silk gate]

Haha i understand

[warm crag]

0-5 actually

plausible that you exit bs with no enrage uptime left

[silk gate]

Ye cuz then i just Rampage

Thanks for the help guys

Im gonna sit on the dummys for a while now

[chrome plover]

enjoy

[ornate night]

Hello guys, with the buff at how many multi target BS is now better as RB in fury slayer ?

[fading sky]

What?

[dense elbow]

Bladestorm is always better than RB

I guess he did a ha ha

[fading sky]

Its 30% better id venture

[dense elbow]

More or less

[ornate night]

My bad I want to say BT not BS x)

[dense elbow]

As there has been no changes to how BT works, and you play Thane, nothing changed.

If you mean for slayer? Nothing changed. You will just do 2-3% more on overall from reap

I guess the frustration of reap not proccing increases 30% tho, so that is nice

(as it refuses to proc)

[warm crag]

hes asking when you prio bt over rb, at how many targets

iirc its 5 but dont quote me on that

[fickle bluff]

5 slayer 6 thane

with reap buff its down to 3 for slayer iirc

[clever belfry]

thanussy

[dense elbow]

I hope they just remove the RNG from Reap, and just make it a passive. Your damage being random, when it is already shit tier, isnt much fun. RNG is fun when it is win more, not when it decides how hard you lose.

[junior gale]

look if meatcleaver goes to 8 targets theres less Reap RNG

[earnest canyon]

What does reap do again? I'm on phone

[dense elbow]

That might be one of the best arguments for 8t to sway my opinion

[junior gale]

been doin a lot of slayer arms keys its funny watching reaps dmg on huge pulls

does almost the same as cleave

[dense elbow]

This piece of shit

[earnest canyon]

Ooh, yeah ok

[dense elbow]

reap value B)

[junior gale]

Man imagine if seismic reverb had a chance to proc reap

[supple laurel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dSasyhWv4E4vezX5uLEVzN

[dense elbow]

Ok, I cant get it to proc

but trust, when it does

it is good dam

basically RNG chance to double base BS damage

i hate the RNG of reap

[junior gale]

it doesnt help that Reap is meant to scale with amount of targets but BS unhinged doesnt cleave so your just sitting there with the 1 target base chance

[dense elbow]

doesnt help that bladestorm damage is being adjusted with reap in mind

[junior gale]

eh idk if thats the case but I can see it

[dense elbow]

"over a million itterations, it averages out" it says as I do 100 keys

[jovial plaza]

How big of a overall dmg% increase is the buff for fury? I wonder if slayer is worth playing in m+

[summer quail]

not enough for slayer being the play in m+

[charred drum]

is there a WA that can tell me if I don't have the right talents when I go inside a dungeon ?

[dense elbow]

Slayer was already 10-20% behind, now it is closer to 5-15% behind. Overall in a key for slayer, we are talking about 7%. Slayer is already worth it, if you play cause you enjoy the gamestyle. If you worry about performance of Fury vs others, then Thane is still the go to. As we still battling it out at the bottom, with Aug catching up even more.

[hushed raven]

😢

[molten night]

gross Aug

[sour frigate]

Keep coping buddy

[dense elbow]

I got no cope left, I drained my hopium stores, soon... I got to open the doomium vaults

[molten night]

raid thane still behind?

[dense elbow]

Even futher behind, if slayer was ahead

[molten night]

hmmm kk

[dense elbow]

I dont raid, I dont care about the raid - I only know that ppl say slayer is better in there

[molten night]

kk, was curious, ty

[summer quail]

raid thane was the play on a few bosses. prob not anymore

[flat river]

guys im hungry what type of food should i order

[hushed raven]

kebab

[molten night]

breakfest lunch or dinner?

[flat river]

lunch

[summer quail]

smalahove

[dense elbow]

Smalahove sucks

[hushed raven]

still kebab(doner)

[molten night]

kebab is always good

[hushed raven]

yes yes

[flat river]

kebab is expensive though

[dense elbow]

Order Fårikål

[summer quail]

smalahove is good. just doesn't look appetizing

[dense elbow]

Not a fan

[flat river]

i defenitly know what that is

[dense elbow]

It is in the name, if that helps

[sour frigate]

Kebab with veggies

[hushed raven]

what about gołąbki

[junior gale]

that looks really good whats the yellow stuff?

[sour frigate]

Potato

And zucchini

[junior gale]

very bright now im hungry

[dense elbow]

What is up with the new meta of ppl wanting you to pay 5k to join a key

[sour frigate]

Resi incident

[dense elbow]

"No, you are not paying, it is a tip"

I am EU, not NA, I dont do tips

[sour frigate]

I dunno a guy gave me 30k

Without me asking

[dense elbow]

wut

[sour frigate]

After we finished

[dense elbow]

That is fine, guess he just had a good time?

now imagine if he reports you for 'boosting' after you took the gold, would be classy

[sour frigate]

Its not forbidden sadly

[dense elbow]

Advertising for boosts in the LF tool, or boosting as a service? If so, through community or the ingame systems?

[sour frigate]

Boosting if its paid with gold

[dense elbow]

As long it is through all ingame interactions, not breaking the social contract nor the rules of the LF tool and/or tradechat, you in the clear.

[sour frigate]

And it was he who boosted me i needed to up that damn rook 14

[dense elbow]

[sour frigate]

Tanking is fun af tho

Especially if u play handicapped spec

[dense elbow]

will I get kicked, when they see slayer

[inner zinc]

Probably will get kicked regardless. They misclicked

[flat river]

i have a friend who typoes he will tip 500k at end of key then alt+f4 when key ends

[stoic loom]

Id kick you the moment i see fury

[flat river]

xd

[dense elbow]

[plush maple]

For single target, do you guys sim 3 or 4 min?

[summer quail]

5m

[plush maple]

Fair enough, was a possibility

Thank you friend

Just to be sure, you still loot spec arms to not get 1H right?

[summer quail]

yes

[buoyant willow]

reading this made my heart drop

ive gotten 5 1h so far

[plush maple]

Oof

[buoyant willow]

back to grinding 10s

[warm crag]

yes this is a stupid indicator

[jovial plaza]

Just saw this too

freak shit

[dense elbow]

Hope you reported o7

[jovial plaza]

yea

[dense elbow]

[jovial plaza]

tempted to try slayer in 14 priory...

[dense elbow]

Of all the keys to go slayer, Priory aint it

Priory and meadery is a ton of AoE

you dont want your DPS to be based on this random piece of shit

[jovial plaza]

thats actually big dmg

now add 30% to it and a lucky rabbits foot

youre good to go

https://tenor.com/view/good-luck-lucky-luck-clover-four-leaf-clover-gif-15192661

[dense elbow]

You going to go crazy when you do a pack, and reap just refuses to proc as you cleave BTs... over and over and over

[jovial plaza]

im gonna be playing slayer after 6th

bored of mountain thane

[dense elbow]

That is fair, I havent played much Thane myself. I dont enjoy the playstyle, it is too much of a s2 DF for me to enjoy it

I want some spiky burst dam - that I cant get, but I can pretend

[jovial plaza]

understandable

now swap to dracthyr and youll be like DH, except more gimped

[dense elbow]

Nah, when I want some fun, I just jump on my MM

like a million more overall DPS, no RNG to decide if my dps will be bad or ok. Just RNG to decide if my DPS will be good or godlike

[plush maple]

For dungeon simming, do you sim Dungeon Slice or 5 target patchwerk?

[dense elbow]

1t 5min, for prio dam sims. 5t and 8t 5min, for a AoE feel

[plush maple]

Oh oki, thank you very much

Was not expecting 8 target but makes sense

[humble shadow]

Has anyone found a fix for the delay on the ww stacks for weakauras?

[fickle cedar]

it's the rampage change where it uses the stack at the end, I think it's from blizzard's side sadly

[humble shadow]

Ah

Rip

Could be like this for a while then I'm guessing

[jovial plaza]

ive been found out

[dense elbow]

(It is ahead of Fury, not behind, mr deleted post)

[oak peak]

Hah sorry, i means how much better is arms than fury? As someone who enjoys fury more, is it worth regearing for arms? (Just gearing my warrior from last patch)

[dense elbow]

Not enough that you should care about if arms is better

[jovial plaza]

id say play w/e you enjoy most, you can do 16 keys as fury, just gotta have proper comp for it

[dense elbow]

You can do 20-21 as Fury, if you got the proper comp for it*

[jovial plaza]

(even bigger if you watch noxiv

[oak peak]

Good to know! Yeah i enjoy fury more, but didnt want to super hinder my group while playing it either

[jovial plaza]

as fury you will get rheumatoid arthritis though, so choose wisely

[oak peak]

Eh already there lol

[buoyant island]

what embelishments are we going please?

[dense elbow]

#dps-faq, you will find what you seek. I dont know what ppl do in raid, but I presume 2x Dawnthread

[buoyant island]

ty

[warm crag]

you p much always craft a weapon and play it

[chilly fractal]

Yea pretty much until you have Myth Best in slots and Capital Punisher crafted ascendance with writhing is likely more bang for your buck. Always sim yourself but after you have both those weapons on Myth track it’s likely double Duskthread

[warm ginkgo]

Hello , i am thinking of coming back to fury after playing ret/enha for the entirety of tww . That depends if mountain thane is fun . Is it ?

I am not a hardcore player , so i dont really care for the high end content . Maybe low m+ or delves, heroic raid

[fickle cedar]

If you don't care for high end content then just play the hero spec that you like, usually thane leans towards m+ and slayer towards raid but you can still player either in both perfectly.

[warm ginkgo]

i am asking if it is fun , not if it is viable . I dont really care for numbers tbh

i mostly play wow to relax from WC3

[obtuse palm]

Well fun is dependant on you sooo

[fickle cedar]

Well I really can't answer that for you, personally I prefer the slayer game loop since its a bit faster, if you prefer to be blasting thunder then go for thane

[warm ginkgo]

okay . There were some hero talents that really missed the mark . Thats why i asked

but okay i will try it thanks

if it is slower i may like it

[obtuse palm]

There is a node talent in the Fury tree that increases haste or damage, if you take the damage one it'll slow down the rotation. Both talents are close in output anyway

[warm ginkgo]

oh great !

thanks

[quiet breach]

what's the full name of the self heal spell

unending what, undying what?

something like that

[young swan]

impending victory

[quiet breach]

does fury warrior have a lot of base leech compared to other specs?

[hushed raven]

never forget about the OG victory rush

😄

[dense elbow]

Not in particular, all specs I can think of got inbuilt leech or a sudo leech

[remote bobcat]

man

[iron portal]

man

[coarse nest]

man

[clever belfry]

Bro really trying to do a bad job at censoring or

[dense elbow]

I mean, it is good enough, if ppl want to find out, they would find out

[remote bobcat]

nah this is just what the screenshot looks like

look

[dense elbow]

[coarse nest]

[clever belfry]

🛑

[remote bobcat]

yea

[dense elbow]

Never used that function before

kinda fun one

[remote bobcat]

yuh

[dense elbow]

I just want to say, I am proud of myself, I held back the urge

[remote bobcat]

my actionbars on a mount still have OF on them

https://tenor.com/view/warrior-blizzard-wow-classic-push-hank-hill-gif-27417019

[dense elbow]

I am sure we get a big aurabuff after the MDI

[quiet breach]

btw I was just made aware of rogues survivability tools and goddamn

how is feint a fair ability 😭

that shit is so broken

didn't know it was that good

[charred flint]

The macro to open vault prediction doesnt work anymore?

whatdo

[chilly fractal]

Pass that cope

[dense elbow]

I only got offbrand Corpium, and even that I am running out of

[chilly fractal]

Damn

[elfin belfry]

I'd take getting that aoe cap removed over an aura buff.

[dense elbow]

I take the aurabuff, our overall isnt that bad and most of it is boss dam. I see value in that

[chilly fractal]

I’d take winning the power ball over an aura buff

[dense elbow]

Give Bladestorm another 50% ish, and Odyns Fury a 125%, and we in a decent spot

Notice I dont say reap, cause fuck reap, RNG piece of garbage

[chilly fractal]

Eh… buff it anyway

[dense elbow]

No, dont balance our AoE around a freaking proc

Balance it around BS dam

[chilly fractal]

Balance?

[earnest canyon]

Rogues are the mages of melee with all their tools to live

[dense elbow]

fair, point taken

[elfin belfry]

[dense elbow]

Maybe they will rework Culling Cylcone, to actually be a DPS increase meant for AoE

That could happen

[modest condor]

reap is very consistent on aoe

67% chance to proc if you're hitting 5 targets

[dense elbow]

Sadly BS doesnt cleave its unhinged stacks tho

it just got the potential

[clever belfry]

precisely why it was changed

[dense elbow]

Just give BS another 50% bump, and then reap procing or not, wont feel as bad.

[modest condor]

or make our consistent cleave better

[hushed raven]

is reckless abandon troll in m+ or is it decent

[modest condor]

you keep talking about buffing our burst

[dense elbow]

Yep, I am in camp burst, not camp flat.

[modest condor]

you know that that's not gonna work

[dense elbow]

I know it can work, just not for raid

[remote bobcat]

press I, go to delves, click on the big vault icon in the middle of the menu

[remote bobcat]

it aight

i tried RA and i did not have a lot of fun

[remote bobcat]

camp burst is as delulu as camp socialism

some aspects could help but it aint rly happening dawg

[dense elbow]

I think we can have a mix of both. As with socialism and capitalism, you can take parts of both and combine them into one system.

Problem is, if you let either part take over then the other part loses its function. Burst is meant to be fun, dopamine inducing and tons of damage; numbers on the screen. If you make burst too flat, as it is now, then you wont even notice that you are doing it. It is boring.

I believe it is possible to tune up the burst to a place with current tuning and design in mind, to where it is rewarding and fun to press your burst buttons - and it wont have any ill effects on the gameplay for others.

[inner zinc]

Uncap meat cleaver

[dense elbow]

Reinforcing the flat damage profile, will just futher hurt our burst potential and make the spec even... flatter... even more, my camps opinion, boring.

[remote bobcat]

the issue is that its generally very un-fun to play with a burst spec

like if a burst spec is in your group

ykwim?

[dense elbow]

I dont know, I am having fun playing with UDK going boom, or MM popping off. Tho, not everyone is having fun when their friends are laughing and having a blast.

[remote bobcat]

im not talkin about only high keys

if ur in a +10

if casuals are in a +6

doesnt matter

[dense elbow]

I done 10s as MM

one proc = one pack

[remote bobcat]

if you have someone in your group who isnt better than you but they yoink your damage

that doesnt feel very good

[dense elbow]

"your damage"

[remote bobcat]

your potential damage had the mobs survived*

[dense elbow]

I dont know, I see where you are coming from at. But if your problem is things are not living for long enough, you reached the point where you should be doing higher level content.

Even so, would I have less fun if my friends bursted things down in a 6?

No.

They still having fun, so I dont mind. It is trivial content.

[remote bobcat]

i remember all of my lads complaining back in S1

legit all of them

no exception

[dense elbow]

I remember, I argued against them, something bad. As one of the few that apperantly played the beta

and knew it would balance out as you went higher.

Of course, raid was another can of worms...

Still, the burst we had pre-nerf, was fine and part of how we would be balanced for M+ at a higher level. Where we did amazing burst, but our sustained AoE averaged out to bellow mages and locks.

[remote bobcat]

you may not like it but not everything needs to be balanced around m+

[dense elbow]

If we going to balance things around low content, be consistent about it, at least.

This means - noone, absolutely noone, can have a singular button do more than X damage. Or even worse, all abilities are % of HP based.

Noone wants that, content should be balanced around the higher level of it. And in Fury case, of the burst, once you started doing the content at the higher level, it was more balanced if not a bit weak.

[remote bobcat]

thats not what that means

[dense elbow]

If you want a world, where a HC dungeon, is the balance point. Then yeah, we should do that.

[remote bobcat]

wow specs mainly deal damage through a combination of spells and passives

[dense elbow]

Then everyone can "feel" that they get to "their damage"

[remote bobcat]

fury burst was 1 button that immediately got amped by titans torment

[dense elbow]

So it got to be a 10 step process to be "fair", even tho that isnt exactly fun?

[remote bobcat]

nothing ought to be anything funky

im just telling you that camp burst is getting shot down

fury burst

by blizzard

[dense elbow]

You think I am not aware?

[remote bobcat]

they were very clear in their reasoning

[dense elbow]

I care about one thing in WoW, that is having fun, burst is to me fun. So I will advocate for it.

[remote bobcat]

and im telling you that, while i agree that having burst is fun, playing with someone who bursts everything down generally isnt very fun

to most

that is all

i fuckin love old titans torment

i really enjoyed s1 fury

[dense elbow]

If only players played the content it is balanced around, not HC dungeons, that would be great.

I will just end it with this: Currently we got no burst. We got no sustained AoE DPS. We got no burst AoE DPS. All we got is a very minor DPS lead on single target in keys. And even that is a gap they are closing in, as the others that burst millions upon millions, also feel that this tiny advantage is too much.

Follow this route, and we wont have any fun. When we dont have any fun, well - people will quit. Fun is the alpha and omega. Lets just hope those that stop playing Fury, finds fun in another spec or class, before they leave WoW alltogether.

[modest condor]

we do have burst

it's just not as pronounced as in s1

[dense elbow]

At a certain point, we are going to call rampage burst, as it does a tiny spike in your damage profile.

[modest condor]

if you're just gonna argue in bad faith i have better things to do

[dense elbow]

I disagree that we got noticable burst. Especially compared with those that do. I can agree we got burst under definiton of "some damage loaded into the space of time". I disagree it is impactful. Maybe for raid when adds spawn perfectly? Perhaps there is some impact. But I argue the level of burst we currently got, is not felt. When I use my burst, I am bottom of the meters and by a mile. It could just as much not exist.

[remote bobcat]

Would you rather funky say that we have some small burst, but it still is burst?

cause yea we have CD windows, obviously

but when comparing fury to the bursts of other specs, it's not very high

[remote bobcat]

take TOP 1st pull bloodhorn + boss, thats 4 targets which fury out dpses almost every spec on

on the opener

target count shouldnt be included in a burst-conversation

imo

[dense elbow]

Maybe you are right, I usually play with MM and other specs that make even that opener look... unimpressive, to put it lightly.

Vs locks, mages, perhaps.

[modest condor]

this is the damage profile on 5 targets http://puu.sh/KsX7h/476f922455.png

that peak around 190 seconds is almost twice as high as the valley before it

and even the "small" cds (just reck+rav) before it is still a noticable bump

our damage profile appears flat because we have cds so often

but those cds are still a clear dps increase over the dps outside of them

[remote bobcat]

i dont think it's a very good argument to say we have burst because we have dps increasing cooldowns

because that's what this boils down to rn

[radiant plank]

thats what burst is

xff

[modest condor]

i mean if by burst you mean doing tank damage outside of cooldowns and flying to the moon during cooldowns then yeah sure we dont have burst

[remote bobcat]

burst depends on the increase of damage, but also on the uptime of that damage increase, no? Historically shadow priest haven't had burst but even they have a dmg increase when pressing voidform. Do we call them a burst class because of that?

im just saying that its more nuanced than simply saying popping cd = dps increase = burst

[junior gale]

Yeah if you want that there's a spec called sub rogue

[modest condor]

venthyr boomkin

[junior gale]

Rip

They should give pally Ashen Hallow back

[remote bobcat]

they should ban ret from using hero talents

[radiant plank]

True but they would still do more than fury

[dense elbow]

That would remove what, 35% of their overall in keys?

[remote bobcat]

probably

i think that'd be fair

[dense elbow]

Cant say I really want that to happen tho, as the guys I know who play Ret, is having fun and a blast.

[remote bobcat]

their fun isnt tied to their hero talents

[dense elbow]

I only know that they say it is fun, so I take their word for it. Empyrean Hammer is simple and effective, and that is exactly what they want.

Presume the animations are pretty? I dont really know, I tried the new ret, didnt enjoy it. I want to do big controlled burst, and ret spreads out its damage more than it does that.

Also, divine storm, not sure why - I just dont like pressing it.

Feels like I am spamming whirlwind, if that makes sense, and even when WW did damage - it felt wrong.

[frank dawn]

one does not simply press Divine Storm. You smash the ever living shit out of that thing

[dense elbow]

I am more of a big number kind of guy. Templar's Verdict doing silly amounts of damage is fun. A splash of tiny numbers, even if effective, just aint doing it for me when it comes to a spender.

Might be why I dont like it, it feels more like a builder in my head, than a spender.

[frank dawn]

hammer of light is pretty nice number

even if you can't see among all the random tiny numbers from ret

xd

[junior gale]

The ret tier set is what's making it super fun right now

It's very very good

[dense elbow]

It is the one that makes spenders free for some time, ye?

[frank dawn]

yeah free spenders for 4 seconds

[junior gale]

Yee 4 seconds of free spenders

[dense elbow]

I can see why that could be a neat little fun moment. Sure

[junior gale]

Whenever you lose winning streak

It's incredibly satisfying when it procs

[dense elbow]

What did our tierset do again when we lose the streak?

[junior gale]

Nothing

[dense elbow]

[frank dawn]

fury tier set designs are certainly a thing of all time

[junior gale]

Arms has the haste bit which is okay but it's not crazy fun either

[dense elbow]

Then you got MM, that got the most explosive one

🥁

[frank dawn]

MM tier set just gave lock n load procs the dopamine it deserved

[dense elbow]

They prob should make explosive shot add on Lock'n'Load a talent, as it is that feel good

Doesnt need the 300% mod, just an explosive shot, will be enough - it got this nice sound effect when it goes off.

[modest condor]

does anybody even have a more boring tierset than fury this tier

[dense elbow]

Healers?

[modest condor]

like not even the fact that it's undertuned

but just designwise

[remote bobcat]

arms

[junior gale]

Look two tier in a row fury tier is shit so next tier it's gotta be good right

[frank dawn]

pretty sure we get the award for least engaging and weakest tier set of the tier

[dense elbow]

Healers are all heal target, gain more healing. no?

[devout totem]

yes

[modest condor]

surely next tier we'll get the good stuff

[hushed raven]

ye no

[dense elbow]

Next tier they going to make a OF tierset, and they gonna use that to excuse OF low base dam

Mark my words

[junior gale]

Arms has the haste proc which makes it definitely better because you actually notice it

[hushed raven]

last time we had fun tier set was t15 mop

[dense elbow]

It has happened before

[remote bobcat]

fair point

[dense elbow]

DFs3 was great a tierset, no?

[junior gale]

DF S3 and 2 were good imo

[dense elbow]

I loved it, but I am very biased, yet design was great? You activated big dam with big dam?

Maybe I just liked it cause it made OF big dam

Big BT crits

[frank dawn]

nah S3 DF was great

[modest condor]

it was strong and impactful but it made me play a shit build

[frank dawn]

yes it made OF a good button finally that expansion, but it just played well

I kind of like the anni build, so eh, lol

[coarse nest]

I was big fan of anni build personally

[dense elbow]

I didnt mind Anhilator, I just felt it was uncessary clunky, having to use rampage to push the GCD once every 30 or sec, or get an empty GCD if played wrong

I prefer todays rotation, even if it is out of whack when it comes to tuning of stuff

[junior gale]

I didn't care for it much preferred S2 fury than Anni build

[dense elbow]

I dont remember, why did we play Annhilator?

[modest condor]

because the tierset made BT really strong so you wanted all the bt talents

which ment that rb had no modifiers

so may as well just get rid of it for some extra passive damage

[dense elbow]

I only remember the big BT crits
Oh poor RB, you came back with a vengance

[remote bobcat]

and now rb is far better than bt

except for vc

[dense elbow]

I cant wait for next warrior tuning:

• Raging Blow damage increased by 20%
• Blood Thirst damage increased by 15%
• Execute damage increased by 3%

[remote bobcat]

execute 3% is so real

LMAO

[hushed raven]

autoattack damage increased by 5%

[smoky vale]

of +300% revert ra and add bt/bt crits reduce of by wtv the value it was in s3

[modest hollow]

can i put Ascension on non-crafted weapons?

[smoky vale]

no

[dense elbow]

If you give OF CDR, then you kinda cant increase its damage. Say you reduce it by 33%, then OF cant really do 125% more damage anymore. It is closer to 66%. Smaller number = less effect on press, less effect = less impactful on press, less impact = less notice, less notice = less fun.

If you want OF too to become part of the flat DPS profile, sure, ask for CDR. But if you want OF to hit hard, that is counterproductive.

[remote bobcat]

Would you prefer something akin to juggernaut that buffs OF?

[dense elbow]

Not really, I am already annoyed by stacking up Bladestorm before a key to not have the first one feel like a wet fart.

[smoky vale]

they killed of casts ava soo

[dense elbow]

(that should have opened up for a huge dam buff, yep)

[modest condor]

every time you cast OF its damage is increased by 5% stacking up to 99 times

[remote bobcat]

clueless~1

[smoky vale]

[dense elbow]

Ok... now you got my attention

Still need a baseline buff of 100% at least tho

[smoky vale]

and the amount of cdr per bt is increased every 5 rb

[modest condor]

remember when the buffed it by 133%

[clever belfry]

real @oblique trail ???

[modest condor]

i wonder how much of that is left by now, if any

i think it was only like 50% when it went live

[dense elbow]

It still does less damage and by a mile

[smoky vale]

wasnt it nuked week 1 of s4

[modest condor]

and then it got nerfed some more

[smoky vale]

then nerfed more and more and kore and more and more

[frank dawn]

if you account for the extra avatar cast loss

I bet we are close to neutral lol of before the 133% buff

[dense elbow]

Nah, with TT going away, OF the cast - not the extra, lost avatar 20% mod, and it got buffed 15% to compensate...

It already been nerfed and on a losing streak, being depowered over and over

[oblique trail]

wow real anda meow?

[clever belfry]

real anda meow

[dense elbow]

You know I remember. It was happiest day of my WoW life

Instantly into beta - pressed it, died hapilly, went to hell. Here we are.

[frank dawn]

OF just baffles me. it was dog shit for all of DF until they gave it a tier set that massively buffed it

they fixed it going into TWW, only to nuke it constantly like every week

and now just leave it totally dead again

as a capstone talent

I just...why? lol

[south kayak]

Because fuck you, that's why

[frank dawn]

Real and true

[fading sky]

Everytime

[south kayak]

There are reasons why and most of them boil down to Nerubar Palace

They don't want something like that happening again where one spec just deletes all the boss adds

I believe they could be cooking a rework

[fading sky]

Problem was avatar poppin of they removed it and nerfed ofnsame time

[frank dawn]

also, I mean, just maybe. Don't spawn adds exactly on the cooldown of Fury abilities if they don't want that to happen?!?!?!?!

[fading sky]

They could tbh

[hushed gust]

I mean-H Gallywix, you gotta hold off on your second full-send, so it’s not every boss being on Fury’s CDs.

[fading sky]

Problem was double of never single

Blizzard just no brain

And as said a.million times

Buff dot nerf initial hit

[coarse nest]

hey ive never unlocked the resiliant thing yet

where do i go to activate it?

i have all 13s and some 14s

[fading sky]

Key girl

Wherebu lower key

[coarse nest]

she doesnt offer anything

does that mean i already did it?

I mustve already completed it and just dont realise it

[fading sky]

Look at ya key

[coarse nest]

it doesnt say resil

[smoky vale]

how dat possible

[hushed gust]

Don’t you need all 12’s? And then the achieve makes it just passive?

[hardy bluff]

you need to turn in a quest at the panda

either the one at the end of your key

or the one next to the dungeon portals in dornogal

[dense elbow]

If you didnt get the quest, ya prob did the same as I did, had a full quest log. Empty out some slots, relog. The quest should be given by the panda in Dornegar (not timeways). Fixed it for me at least

[jade cipher]

are you funkykitte ravencrest?

[dense elbow]

That do be me

[jade cipher]

ok then come in

[dense elbow]

Name recognition win? Fgm

[hardy vault]

hey ! at the opener => Spam RB after BS until no stack OR enrage is about to fade, right ? Or should i spam RB even if I'm no longer Enraged ?

[jade cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/apes-together-strong-0p1sf-gif-20906166

[shadow flame]

is the raid buff bugged?

mine shows 0% currently

[dense elbow]

Sounds like a visual bug

[undone flower]

Did you retake it this week ? Bc it got reset

[shadow flame]

from where

inside the raid?

[undone flower]

Yes, throw the tp card to be able to return the first quest if you see it

[shadow flame]

when you say throw do you mean destroy?

[undone flower]

Yes

You see the quest giving you the card again ?

[shadow flame]

yes thanks

massive

😄

[coarse nest]

my quest log is empty, I actually never did the resiliant quest when i earned all 12s so I wonder if im just permanently bugged out of it now since i never grabbed the end of dungeon quest on my last 12 completed

tried running a 12 just now and it didnt pop up at the end of dungeon

tried going to the panda in dorn and no luck

ope

[dense elbow]

Time to open a blizz ticket

[chilly fractal]

what level is your key?

[coarse nest]

right now its a 13

I have base 13s

never did the resilient at base 12s

tickets open well see what they say i guess

I cant seem to locate the achievs in game either

are they feats?

[chilly fractal]

no

Raider IO recognizes you timed those keys

does the in game UI?

[coarse nest]

yessir

[eternal compass]

did noxiv team qualify in mdi? if so when is he playing

[modest condor]

next weekend

[forest fiber]

quick Q does Spell Reflect work on Sonic Damage?

[modest condor]

well no but yes

sonic is physical damage so it's not reduced, but there are examples of spells that do sonic damage that can be reflected

[forest fiber]

For Sprocket specifically

trying to figure out a good spot to use SR but kind of struggling with it

[modest condor]

http://puu.sh/KsXDn/d795f5b476.png

16.57% DR before SR

still 16.57% while SR is up

[forest fiber]

Ah okay ty, bombs then I guess

[south kayak]

WAR

[iron portal]

😉

[modest condor]

WAR

[dense elbow]

why no enh?

[iron portal]

cause

WAR

[dense elbow]

what is it good for?

[iron portal]

https://tenor.com/view/war-rush-hour-gif-27347907

[honest sundial]

WAR

[stoic loom]

people see noxiv qualified for the mdi and instantly try to play the same shit

[hardy wadi]

i feel like the buffs are good for slayer but cant they just buff odyns so we can actually use it again in m+?

and why the pala buffs?

x-x

anyone thinks slayer is now on par with mountain thane in m+?

[remote bobcat]

because pala isnt very good in mythic raid

statistically

[hardy wadi]

mhm i see

[hardy wadi]

still feels a bit awful seing pala getting buffed again

[marble pilot]

Most popular spec isnt great at ST so they help em out

[hardy wadi]

in m+ perspective o

ofc *

[remote bobcat]

that is not a valid perspective to have unfortunately

clueless~1

[hardy wadi]

sadly

[remote bobcat]

shrug

[hardy wadi]

anyone plays slayer higher than +13

?

i mean fury

slayer*

[remote bobcat]

Weirdge

[undone flower]

Yes ret buffs is expected it’s the most played class like hunter or mage

[modest condor]

loboz

[remote bobcat]

loboz

LMAO

true

[hardy wadi]

is this loboz a streamer?

[hardy wadi]

and he does it all with slayer?

thats cool tbh

[hardy wadi]

thanks for the information