and got butchered withing 2 weeks?
#fury
tepid cedar
dense elbow
For slayer being behind on AoE, compared to Thane, and Bladestorm doing so low dam that you dont notice pressing it - you lose DPS.
sage ridge
Fury has been dog shit since the start. Should have buffed them then
dense elbow
We got a neato buff for Slayer, helping ppl who play it perform a tad better in M+. We take that win
tepid cedar
so basically 1 mil to 1.3 mil
storm birch
Just make avatar call down lightning uncapped aoe when we use it and shock the ground pulse pulse boom mountain thane fixed
junior gale
Fury has been dog shit since the start. Should have buffed them then
In m+ yeah not raid. Fury needs actual changes to how it functions for it to be good in the current M+ landscape. Which we won't see that till 11.2
sage ridge
Fury being bad wouldn't suck if Demolish didn't exist
tepid cedar
fkn replace this bladestrom shit in slayer
and add demol;ish to slayer
and lket us use ravager in slayer
dense elbow
I mean, ravager would be replaced by demolish too, if you swap em like that
opal monolith
For slayer being behind on AoE, compared to Thane, and Bladestorm doing so low d...
who plays slayer on aoe?
storm birch
Yea keep demolishing away from me
sharp wadi
Why the fuck do you want to deal with demolish as fury
fun button
storm birch
1.5 seconds of watching I need to
Press buttons!!
sage ridge
Demolish has to be the worst ability to use in the fame
dense elbow
In M+? I did a month ago, before I went on a break. Currently, there are prob only Loboz and maybe 2 other guys?
opal monolith
In M+? I did a month ago, before I went on a break. Currently, there are prob on...
a build even more terrible then an alrdy terrible build , no offence but these buffs are just a taunt imo
dense elbow
Seems like a bit unhinged take, it is a buff that just serves to make Bladestorm feel less shit
storm birch
I’m just happy they didn’t forget us! Seeing warrior on the notes and it not be a visual update was a breath of fresh air
dense elbow
There we go, that is a better mind set. At least they are aware that Slayer was in the gutter
sage ridge
Hard to have a good mindset after these last two seasons
storm birch
Arms buffs were also kinda big for raid for them
Good start. Maybe see some more
Changes soon
junior gale
fun button
You get over the dmg part very quickly and all that's left is the many annoying shit aspects of demolish
opal monolith
Good start. Maybe see some more
Changes soon
storm birch
Lmaoooo
dense elbow
So on a single press, on 5t, slayer now will go from 13m to 17m.
(yes, take note, that reap didnt proc, it almost never decide to do so)
It will help us look less shit when we press it
opal monolith
theres no way bladestorm becomes better than ravager for thane now right
opal monolith
i just dont understand why they didnt go with a sensible small aura buff to fury
would have felt a little better atleast
oh well w/e
sharp wadi
You get over the dmg part very quickly and all that's left is the many annoying ...
L bozo
tepid cedar
So on a single press, on 5t, slayer now will go from 13m to 17m.
(yes, take note...
was this dummies
dense elbow
dummies, ya
tepid cedar
bc u cant really count that since they have no physical dr
dense elbow
Meh, example works for what it is
dense elbow
expect nothing, as it is nothing
tepid cedar
im just salty
modest condor
bc u cant really count that since they have no physical dr
huh
fickle cedar
idk why they're so scarred of changing target caps so much 
modest condor
unless you're talking about different dummies than the ones in dornogal, they definitely have armor
dense elbow
It be dah dorna dummies
opal monolith
idk why they're so scarred of changing target caps so much <:deadge:900279927138...
ill say it
and nobody can stop me or call me unhinged for it
BECAUSE THEY HATE US
dense elbow
Nah, they dont
This aint hate, this is simply them not careing
Because 'Fury is fine'.
sage ridge
As long as mage is meta they don't give a shit
tepid cedar
unless you're talking about different dummies than the ones in dornogal, they de...
they do? interesting good to know
dense elbow
unmoded BS, and yes - reap didnt proc
it never does
I hate reap, man
Each reap would be another what 2.5m dam each, or basically a potential to double the BS dam
but it is random
and even if you get the god procs
the dam is still shit
I hate reap
junior gale
Each reap would be another what 2.5m dam each, or basically a potential to doubl...
Imagine if you could cleave unhinged
dense elbow
Would make it feel better, for sure. But still feel bad when it didnt proc. Also, you get that clunky meatcleaver before Storming bullshit
tepid cedar
unmoded BS, and yes - reap didnt proc
change 30% damage and add 30% proc
dense elbow
Make it a 100% event, and reduce the damage instead, ty
dense elbow
I’m stupid. Does this make slayer for keys 10 and below decent?
It always been decent at low levels, or with shit players.
modest condor
they do? interesting good to know
607k tooltip damage, enemy was below 35% so 50% bonus from VC puts it at 910k damage, real damage is 650k. 650/910=~0.71% which matches up with expected armor values
dense elbow
Math checks out, give bladestorm fire damage when?
modest condor
granted but the tooltip is 30% lower
modest condor
some open world buff from the new 11.1.5 minigame
red berry
ah yeah okay
dense elbow
thorny peak
<,< god damn but my dps is trash wont it save me
thorny zenith
If odyns fury was uncapped and cleave had an 8 target hard cap would fury be meta? Debating guildies rn on what it'd take
I want necrolord banner back but that's prob not gonna happen
young swan
If odyns fury was uncapped and cleave had an 8 target hard cap would fury be met...
doubt it
dense elbow
You got to create a scenario where Fury Warrior is strong enough DPS wise to be built around. Only uncapping OF wouldnt do it.
young swan
feel like fury cd's just arent strong enough rn
thorny zenith
Yea i was trying to consider what it'd take but idk
dense elbow
Well, we are doing what, 4m, when UDK/Boomie/Mage does 6m, so a 50% DPS aura buff would put us up there
modest condor
you mean whirlwind cleave buffed to 75%
young swan
Well, we are doing what, 4m, when UDK/Boomie/Mage does 6m, so a 50% DPS aura buf...
yeah but a lot of that comes down to uncapped pulls
modest condor
or 80%
thorny zenith
When meta of pulling exactly 5 targets and zero more
toxic turtle
Need to have a monk spec and a shammy also good enough for being meta to buff the warrior
dense elbow
I honestly wouldnt mind to just see BS buffed another 100% and OF 150%, roar 50%, and we prob there
young swan
When meta of pulling exactly 5 targets and zero more
tbf we also just dont enough dam on 5t
which is the larger issue
thats why i think even if move cleaver to 8t and uncap OF it prob doesnt matter
thorny zenith
Yea true, i begrudgingly swapped to arms for m+ this season and it's crazy how much more I actually help the group
dense elbow
Remember that our overall might be lower, but our ST is higher. AoE counts only for that much, if bosses dont die.
Faster a boss die, the better the overall of everyone else.
It also, comically enough, makes us - when we do our prio dam job well,look worse overall
modest hollow
can any1 tell me the best rotation for MT?
olive wraith
can any1 tell me the best rotation for MT?
The st rotation
modest hollow
yes
latent hedge
noble elm
If odyns fury was uncapped and cleave had an 8 target hard cap would fury be met...
imo fury will never be meta
unless the damage they do is so grossly overpowered to outclass the lack of unique utility it just wont happen
i dont think thats something blizz is willing to tackle, they're obviously happy with fury not really being "meta"
tepid cedar
i jsut legit think the devs are fucking idiots and have no ideas
vs paying and hiring some of the ppl here
who obviosly ahve so much knowledge about the shit
modest condor
xeos for warrior dev
tepid cedar
but then again look at their take at edit mode and cooldown manager
vs contacting some opf the devs from the big addons we use
no sense
young swan
pride is a hell of a drug
tepid cedar
and instead oif fixing game issues,, and proper optimzation for newer cpus blah blah blah., lets add a 1 button rotation helper that no one asked for bc hey, we can release on console and milk more money
modest condor
oh no
young swan
tbf i think the rotation assist shit is really good for getting new players
and those things are prob entirely unrelated departments
u also have to think about the fact that because the xpac release cycle is so much more accelerated, they are prob pushing all really big changes just to whatever the next xpac is
id wager thats why we've seen way less mid-xpac spec/class reworks
and just less work on them in general
kind of beating a dead horse saying all that atp but yeah
iron dust
Arch and co ran any general math on Culling Cyclone vs Brutal Finish for the new hotfixes yet? CC sims like 0.75% or so worse for me generally atm, curious if we'll swap to it as a generic
young swan
prob not, brutal finish is just gonna be better the second u introduce another target
charred flint
is arms less boring now?
young swan
nothing massive is changing
charred flint
havent tried yet
stoic loom
Remember that our overall might be lower, but our ST is higher. AoE counts only ...
this level of cope will never not be funny bro
keep it up
tepid cedar
bro. as much as much respect as i have for u. i understand that xan. but priorities dude. look at the state this patch came in as. lol
iron dust
nothing massive is changing
Yeah, I assume for basically any MT you'd ignore, but we got a sprocket kill lined up for tuesday so it might end up bein better for that
dense elbow
this level of cope will never not be funny bro
It got truth to it, it is just that the value is out of wack.
young swan
bro. as much as much respect as i have for u. i understand that xan. but pri...
yeah i mean its utter shit, but sometimes u just have to suck it up u know
go on autopilot
enjoy what u can
or just take a break
tepid cedar
yeah i mean its utter shit, but sometimes u just have to suck it up u know
lol, " sometimes u jsut have to eat the shit sandwich"
willow cradle
tbf i think the rotation assist shit is really good for getting new players
Yeah it's pretty nice, helps out people who were put off by how daunting it may have seemed. My only worry is that it may end up dumbing down the player base in the long run.
young swan
lol, " sometimes u jsut have to eat the shit sandwich"
i mean pretty much
charred flint
i dont really like ravager
young swan
like genuinely theres nothing we can actually do
tepid cedar
bitching and venting helps though
young swan
for sure
tepid cedar
lol
iron dust
how much worse is Slayer compared to mountain thane or w/e in m+
I feel like when I've ran slayer I'm probably about ~10-15% overall less DPS in 10-13s with not really much ST gain
tepid cedar
at the end of thje day we all do play this shit class and enjoy it lololollol
charred flint
wasnt fury pretty good last season?
wooden lagoon
These buffs mess with key meta for warrior or not really?
dense elbow
Not at all
charred flint
I wasnt paying close attention but i remember vaguely seing fury on top dps for a tier or two since i stopped playing
wooden lagoon
Just for raid basically then
dense elbow
Makes it more viable and fun to play slayer in keys
tepid cedar
little more raid damage only
modest condor
last time fury was good in m+ was 10.1 before aug released
young swan
I wasnt paying close attention but i remember vaguely seing fury on top dps for ...
the raid had like 6/8 bosses where fury got to detonate adds
but we still were mid in m+
charred flint
last time fury was good in m+ was 10.1 before aug released
Oh yall talking specifically about M+
tepid cedar
last time fury was good in m+ was 10.1 before aug released
well, when aug released i was absolutely shredding in M+
charred flint
yeah i dont care much about being mid in m+
tepid cedar
war was so fun df s1 and s2
modest condor
Oh yall talking specifically about M+
you're the one that asked about m+
stoic loom
It got truth to it, it is just that the value is out of wack.
Rookery 18 kyrioss fight
charred flint
you're the one that asked about m+
I asked about Slayer on M+ cause i wanted to know how much worst it is
dense elbow
I got a feeling ya didnt take my point, what you on about Freestyle
charred flint
DF S1 with odyns fury was kinda annoying but after we stopped using that shit talent fury was pretty fun
stoic loom
And dont make me look at the overall 🙂
This whole "fury carries keys by pumping bosses" argument is legit INSANE cope
dense elbow
Ye, cause tuning is out of wack
charred flint
How far have we become
remember when we did NO damage to bosses?
now we kinda good in ST? lmao
fickle cedar
crazy how devoker is dodging nerfs again
noble elm
saying fury is value in m+ bc of st damage is huge cope
because theres a bunch of st options that are just...better
dense elbow
Ya aint wrong, not to mention even the AoE giga dam does ok ST
tepid cedar
saying fury is value in m+ bc of st damage is huge cope
lol as i been saying since the start of the season.
the amnount of DPS clases dish out in MT
dosnt not relate or correlate tot he ammount we " do as prio on a boss"
tepid cedar
thats what im saying
dense elbow
What we are saying is if we did enough, it would matter. Not that we currently do.
noble elm
it would not
enough in this case is a number that would far exceed anything blizz would ever do in reality because it would make fury giga op in raid
dense elbow
Yep, but that would have to be it
tepid cedar
lol, i made a silly ass dk to test out. mfr is 650 ilvl with thrown together items. and abislutely nuking pulls. lower dps on ST bc of shit items. but the amount of time saved because of that damage absolutely trumps the higher st we do as fury
dense elbow
Well, of course. When they do 10x what we do on AoE, our 10% lead on ST doesnt matter for much
Noone disagrees to that
tepid cedar
same with pally, 630 ilvl out dpsed my 669 fiury warrior friend
and they got their st buffed
lol
frosty ibex
same with pally, 630 ilvl out dpsed my 669 fiury warrior friend
we will get back dw
charred flint
Rabioso Demente
sharp wadi
Filotormenta
stoic loom
not the rabioso demente 😭 😭
south kayak
Rabioso Demente
First thing I saw lmao
south kayak
we will get back dw
Avatar is the exact same
quiet breach
did warrior get buffed I keep glancing at this server and ppl talking about buffs and nerfs
every time
tepid cedar
LOL, my basicaly bised out 672 fury maintains 6-6.5 mil on 5 dummys.. this 635 pally with crap items is about there
quiet breach
throughout the day
quiet breach
LOL, my basicaly bised out 672 fury maintains 6-6.5 mil on 5 dummys.. this 635 ...
4.11m is not even close to 6
south kayak
That’s a pretty long way tbh
quiet breach
dawg this buff is so shit wtf
tepid cedar
4.11m is not even close to 6
bro, thats really not that much considering the items this pally has
tepid cedar
look at this shit lololol
charred flint
bro, thats really not that much considering the items this pally has
yes it is lmao
south kayak
635 ilvl 4m on 5 targets is pretty standard
quiet breach
we needed some help in raid and m+ we just needed way more help in m+
south kayak
To me
quiet breach
balance wise
so I GUESS
I just wished they did something that buffed both m+ and raid
quiet breach
I'm fine with them being ok with fury being good in raid and not good in m+
but goddamn we are REALLY trash in m+
charred flint
are we really that bad?
quiet breach
if they wanted to go that direction
quiet breach
are we really that bad?
apparently we are still good on prog
according to some smart ppl here
just not farm content
charred flint
It's my fault guys, every time i start playing WoW again Fury is shit
im trully cursed
south kayak
It’s not bad in raid actually
It’s not good in m+
I’d say it’s pretty good in raid
quiet breach
look at this shit lololol
sick bracers gang
upbeat plume
yeah atm wars are solid in raid, m+ is a little wonky atm
charred flint
@modest condor did ur guild die?
noble elm
LOL, my basicaly bised out 672 fury maintains 6-6.5 mil on 5 dummys.. this 635 ...
meanwhile my hunter doing like 9-10m sustain on the dummy
tepid cedar
lolol
noble elm
the state of fury in m+ is why I went prot
and honestly it was a far more enjoyable two seasons
south kayak
meanwhile my hunter doing like 9-10m sustain on the dummy
It’s also very inflated because of the 30% crit on targets under 20%
And they’re always in execute range
tepid cedar
It’s also very inflated because of the 30% crit on targets under 20%
our damage is inflated to sustaining 6 mil
lololol
noble elm
It’s also very inflated because of the 30% crit on targets under 20%
everyones damage is inflated on the dummy
go into a dungeon, mm/balance/arcane/uhdk absolutely destroy trash
and do just as much if not more than war on st
undone flower
according to some smart ppl here
I am smart ppl
modest condor
<@105847932611231744> did ur guild die?
it stopped raiding seriously
quiet breach
it stopped raiding seriously
roster boss?
modest condor
nah just raid leader being burned out
sinful spoke
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1kde40e/comment/mqaihn5/?context=3&rdt=524...
i miss dragon roar
thunderous roar sounds stupid cause a dragon roars not thunder 💔
bright fog
hello can someone link a macro for - avatar trinket and best in slots ( all in one) please . thank you
hardy gale
Fury meta now or arms beyter?
undone flower
Fury meta now or arms beyter?
No
sinful spoke
@bright fogu cant use trinket and bis at the same time but it should be like #showtooltip
/cast Avatar
/use 13 or 14 wherener u got ur trinket
/use Best-in-Slots
willow cradle
thunderous roar sounds stupid cause a dragon roars not thunder 💔
Well tbf it's thunderous as in very loud
But yeah we def could kept the Dragon theming on it
undone flower
Am I the only one who still have the dragon roar sound when I roar ?
undone flower
I thought it was a bug bc I spend a lot of time in prot and when I switch fury and roar it surprise me each time
sinful spoke
bright fog
<@1185782705682665554>u cant use trinket and bis at the same time but it should ...
tyty
inner zinc
How close are ravager and bladestorm after the buffs? Is it likely they end up close enough we can use either? I really miss bladestorm (as M+ thane that is) 
wispy thistle
hello can someone link a macro for - avatar trinket and best in slots ( all in o...
be aware that on use trinkets put BiS on CD and vice versa
edgy widget
How close are ravager and bladestorm after the buffs? Is it likely they end up c...
no
edgy widget
hello can someone link a macro for - avatar trinket and best in slots ( all in o...
the one you want is in #1237307732705415228
inner zinc
spare steppe
does the bladestorm buff also buff ravager? Feels like a silly question but wasnt sure for choice nodes
young swan
nah
scenic halo
Whats the buffs mean for mythic plus? We going slayer now?
young swan
they mean nothing for m+
u can maybe play slayer and not feel like ur completely trolling
keen kindle
Whats the buffs mean for mythic plus? We going slayer now?
slayer is so hilariously dead in keys it's not even funnyh
full valve
arms bois are getting creative
modest condor
slayer is really close on small aoe but the bigger the pull the further thane pulls ahead
not like either do any damage on big pulls tho
you could make a case for playing to fury's strengths and just going slayer for full prio/boss damage
scenic halo
Is it better for raid single target?
I mean like every single mythic plus melee class does better and we have no utility. It sucks to see we get dragged through the mud
We don't bring damage buff, brez or lust
cedar lagoon
as mountain thane, is there any use for WW on my action bar? (M+ specifically)
young swan
no
charred flint
I mean like every single mythic plus melee class does better and we have no util...
Hey at least now we have stuns
young swan
We don't bring damage buff, brez or lust
battle shout is a damage buff
scenic halo
Damage debuff i meant
young swan
it will fix all our problems
definitely wouldnt but sure would be nice
deep sapphire
Alright homies do y'all think the new Delve belt is gonna be a Cyrce's situation again?
keen kindle
Alright homies do y'all think the new Delve belt is gonna be a Cyrce's situation...
blizz seems to really like the borrower power idea
so....probally
random raptor
Do any of the devs play warrior? lol
velvet obsidian
Bold to assume that devs remember warrior exists
earnest canyon
Do any of the devs play warrior? lol
Dunno but they seem shy about public posting etc. I'd love to see something like Mr A: Arms, Fury, Ret... Mr B Hunter, Boomkin, etc etc
modest condor
if you've seen what happened after zskarn it's not surprising they dont post in public
earnest canyon
What happened? I know social media can be brutal which is why devs stay off it and leave it to community managers
modest condor
boss was a collossal mess
you could cheese it which completely removed any mechanics
it was publicly known who designed the boss
earnest canyon
Ouch
modest condor
so they got massive hate on twitter to the point where they deleted their account afaik
earnest canyon
On the one hand I hate this group bullying shit and attacks, on the other it's literally your job and you dropped the ball
fathom wolf
Just laugh and tell them they all still pay 15 bucks to play the slop you put out.
random raptor
I just smashed my TV in front of 30 guests at my party because of the fury "buffs".
My wife just took our 5 crying kids and said they're all spending the weekend at a hotel.
These "buffs" have ruined my life and my expectations - I just want to play the game and have fun.
The developers don't know what they're doing I can't handle this anymore.
Goodbye Blizzard, I'm no longer a fan.
modest condor
I just smashed my TV in front of 30 guests at my party because of the fury "buffs".
My wife just took our 5 crying kids and said they're all spending the weekend at a hotel.
These "buffs" have ruined my life and my expectations - I just want to play the game and have fun.
The developers don't know what they're doing I can't handle this anymore.
Goodbye Blizzard, I'm no longer a fan.
random raptor
I love the internet
earnest canyon
I just smashed my TV in front of 30 guests at my party because of the fury "buff...
🤣
red berry
I just smashed my TV in front of 30 guests at my party because of the fury "buffs".
My wife just took our 5 crying kids and said they're all spending the weekend at a hotel.
These "buffs" have ruined my life and my expectations - I just want to play the game and have fun.
The developers don't know what they're doing I can't handle this anymore.
Goodbye Blizzard, I'm no longer a fan.
edgy widget
On the one hand I hate this group bullying shit and attacks, on the other it's l...
I mean, kind of an unfair argument - can't always anticipate how creatively players will break your encounters (even with an internal team dedicated to testing and finding these things); not saying that Blizz' is the best in the business, but literally no QA department can live up to the raw number of variables introduced by millions of diverse players
but we've seen virtually all devs, time and again, get hate over anything and everything, whether "justified" or not
the real zskarn drama wasn't the fact that the boss was breakable though, it was that after the boss was broken and reduced to a glorified speed bump, blizz decided to fix the trick and turn it back into a real boss
which players, predictably, lost their collective shit over because how dare you make them actually prog a boss for real
fading sky
Hate is unness, all fights cant be tindy great
edgy widget
doesn't really matter if they are or not, it's lose-lose either way
you've got people like Preach banging on and on about how Gallywix was too easy, which by his logic means the whole Undermine raid, entire 11.1 Patch, and TWW in general is a massive failure... because the boss is too easy
or you have people raging and railing because another boss is considered too hard 
edgy widget
the race was fine, in fact it was already longer than half the guilds planned for lol
fiery edge
loboz be cooking with slayer buffs 
edgy widget
was Gally kind of anticlimatic? Sure, but who cares
edgy widget
people quickly forget that Sark was also a 115 pull boss
and even this late in the tier, Gally can still easily be a 100+ pull boss for most guilds
edgy widget
which... isn't really a problem? I mean ngl I'd rather have tiers like this than Amidrassil again
fading sky
Outside leggo i loved it
edgy widget
the difficulty curve was objectively horrible
fading sky
As a lower raiding guild i prefer getyin further b4 wall
edgy widget
might be fun to watch, bosses might even still be fun to do, but it was still horribly misbalanced
edgy widget
this is actually the sanest feeling difficulty raid we've had in awhile, weirdly enough
and I don't even think Gallywix is a bad fight, honestly it feels a lot more fun than Mugz's bullshit
fading sky
Gally looks great ngl, havent tried it yet
modest condor
ehhh... an endboss where 60-0 is just the same phase which was solved in like 20 pulls, idk how good you can call that
woven valley
I hate stix, too much random bullshit going on to call it designed lol 😂 more like thrown together
modest condor
it may have been more fun than mugzee, but for an endboss it was very undercooked design wise
edgy widget
ehhh... an endboss where 60-0 is just the same phase which was solved in like 20...
that's kind of irrelevant to the fight feeling more fun to play
round kelp
it is made so that ppl who tries, achiev it even with some trouble
edgy widget
never said it was a good prog boss or even a particularly well designed boss
round kelp
it is not made so that some guilds are 6/8 at the end of the season, everybody now has a CE and thats it
it sells
modest condor
there will be plenty of 6/8 guilds at the end of the season
edgy widget
but mugz is annoying as fuck
- can't kill jails too quick or you get fucked by frost spear
- can't kill jails too slow or you get fucked by elemental
- can't pop mines too quick or you can't soak
- can't pop mines too slow or you can't soak
- gotta bait mines close then run away because you can't see shit in melee
- gotta constantly move around the boss cause you can't see stun shit in melee
it's just an annoying boss, which is a shame because otherwise its a pretty neat fight
woven valley
Bro doesn’t know the meaning of casual
edgy widget
ehhh... an endboss where 60-0 is just the same phase which was solved in like 20...
and to be fair, Mugz' final phase is basically the same shit you did for 100 pulls prior too
aside from the triple charge bit, the whole fight is basically the same mechanics in different positions from start to finish
queen panther
The sad life of declines and delisted as a warrior 😭
fading sky
Most dps specs suffers
low folio
Heroic raid leaders everywhere soon to be telling half their raid to switch to the automatic rotation I hear
fading sky
Tbf for some specs punishment is tiny
low folio
Honestly this whole thing could easily become a bigger problem than the small problem it’s solving
rose fog
the real zskarn drama wasn't the fact that the boss was breakable though, it was...
Just like Il'gynoth on mythic back in EN.
last vessel
Hey guess I have a question:
What are the strengths of fury Warriors?
I know they have strong cleave
But is their strength funnel? ST? AoE?
fiery edge
always angry af
last vessel
Fair
young swan
Hey guess I have a question:
What are the strengths of fury Warriors?
I know...
sacrifices little to no ST to move into full aoe
that changes on a patch to patch basis and the fact that we sacrifice little to no ST for it doesnt
so
fiery edge
ofc we have 2 sticks
open wigeon
those are casuals venturing on myth
You really don't know what a casual player is
young swan
Gotcha
That does sound pretty dang good
im gonna level with you, I think about the only reason to play fury rn is simply because you think its cool. Most other things this spec does, others do it barely worse or even better
my previous statement remains true, but there are other classes and specs that can do similarly well but with better aoe
I think fury atm does everything at a relatively passable level, even pretty good sometimes, but nothing that makes you say "holy shit"
clever belfry
im gonna level with you, I think about the only reason to play fury rn is simply...
level 7
last vessel
That is fair enough
I’m currently gathering information for putting together a list of each dps specs strengths and weaknesses
I haven’t fleshed out the idea fully but the concept is something like a 0-5 star rating for things like funnel, cleave, ST burst windows vs sustain and things like that
Mainly because I haven’t played all the dps and it’d be interesting to know their strengths and weaknesses
The idea is to keep the list excluding current tunings but more so focusing on the concepts of the specs and builds
fading sky
Tbh m+ or raid
last vessel
M+ to start
fading sky
M+ is rough all comes down to dmg tuning everytime
young swan
conceptually fury has great prio damage while maintaining decent aoe
fading sky
Practically it doesnt
young swan
practically, the prio/ST doesnt shore up the weaknesses presented in aoe
young swan
especially in high target counts, but even in 5 targets, furys damage just isnt really there
fading sky
Meatcleaver needs to be 60/70%
modest condor
great prio damage until the funnel specs show up
young swan
yeah
last vessel
Practically it doesnt
Right now I’m trying to mostly ignore tuning
More so conceptually right now
modest condor
when people start pulling trash onto bosses and the arcane mage does 2.5mil boss dps
modest condor
conceptually it's always a surprise whether fury is a burst aoe spec or a sustain aoe spec
fading sky
Big sticks big roar is warrior
According to some we are burst atm
In reality our cds dont exist
🤣
young swan
yeah the cool thing about fury is that it sucks in all aspects except playstyle
fading sky
Exactly
young swan
happy tierlisting!
opal monolith
The duality of fury
young swan
i do kind of hate slayer desync in raid
young swan
BS
fading sky
Doesnt rly?
opal monolith
It does
fading sky
Dno man most fights i send into shit at alloted time
As long as reck and avatar aligns im somewhat happy
Misalignment comes from procs or spammin to much//little ramp
young swan
i mean the only fight where ur sending at very specific timigns is rik
fading sky
Stixie
fading sky
Not sprocket ofc
fading sky
Haha ok.
ashen pine
Now we're going to play Bladestorm?))
low folio
I feel like bs would need like double this buff for thane to use it
But I don’t have the maffs
ashen pine
How I want to play M+ in Slayer like at the start of season 1) Thane is incredibly boring.
earnest canyon
I mean, kind of an unfair argument - can't always anticipate how creatively play...
Yeah sorry, I've been in hospital for a week and only have phone so I miss a lot of nuance in writing. I didn't mean the guy should be crucified, people do make mistakes. It's how it's handled. And yeah a lot of wow players seem emotionally immature, entitled or elitist brats
tame yarrow
Im a little sad that there is 0 help for M+ in the Changes
low folio
At least thane and slayer can be almost equally bad 🙂
tame yarrow
And I wonder why other classes on our damagelevel in Raid get 3-5% while we get 1,7%
low folio
Or mediocre
tame yarrow
We take what we can get I guess 
low folio
I mean from what I remember of my damage breakdowns when I did slayer fury in keys
The buff is like 10% more overall damage for my damage breakdowns
Maybe 7% on bad luck procs
Well I guess I don’t remember how much my bladestorm did percent wise
static rock
That is fair enough
I’m currently gathering information for putting together a ...
Ik I'm a bit late to the conversation, but this is my take. Fury at this point tries to be a little bit of everything. We do decent aoe (if we know what we're doing ofc), can still do good ST. The downside is, there are specs that completely outshine us in one or the other and are barely worse than us at the other. If I had to say one thing we "excel" at, it's survivability. We get enraged regen, which if you combined with ravager and other CDs lining up, can keep you through a sh*t ton of stuff. 10% damage taken deduction when we're enraged, which should be around 85-90%. We can take extra talents like 2% less physical damage taken, impending victory gives a temporary 10% max health buff and heals us for 30% while being on what, 30 sec CD? It also resets for every killing blow on a mob we do. Then to top it all over, spell reflection, our most busted ability (sometimes). Depending on what devs decide, we can spell reflect some mythic+ bosses' tank busters with a simple taunt and spell reflect macro, and have spell reflect be like 10-15% of our total damage on that boss. If not, it's a 20% magic damage dr. I swear fury and arms are polar opposite when it comes to staying alive through defensives
low folio
I just thought about something funny. When the automatic rotation launches and a spec is outdpsd by someone on another class having the game play for them
static rock
I just thought about something funny. When the automatic rotation launches and a...
too bad fury would suffer tremendously from the penalty .3 more seconds is cancer for our rotation
low folio
Ya but if reality of it becomes that a spec can’t outdps someone else’s auto rotation even at high level. People gonna leave
static rock
Ya but if reality of it becomes that a spec can’t outdps someone else’s auto rot...
Will only make things even clearer how to more "effectively balance" classes
low folio
It’s just depressing to see wow becoming more like a mobile game
static rock
eh, at least these implementations will force more devs to learn wtf our class does and how it does damage
I swear blizzard buffed BS only to not boost our kinda sh*t mythic+ damage
low folio
I mean they had problems with 3rd part gold sellers so they made gold buyable. They have problems with bots, they start heading towards their own bots
fiery edge
man wtf arcane be bussing
sullen dove
which players, predictably, lost their collective shit over because how *dare* y...
More like guilds just coming off the coattails of killing it bugged holding their lockout and getting a free hof compared to all the ones following after having to actually do the boss while the people ahead effectively skip it
imagine you just don’t have to prog sprocket or bandit at all cuz they’re broken 5 pull bosses with no mechanics then it gets fixed and they’re like “eh u can keep the lockout nw”
how ‘deserved’ was that
especially funny is I believe the fight designer’s guild killed it in the bugged version and then after they killed it the switch of “oh ok can fix the boss now” was pulled which I mean doubt he has like end all say of when that happens but def came off like taking advantage of your own bug then reaming everyone else behind you on some Mario kart typa shit
edgy widget
More like guilds just coming off the coattails of killing it bugged holding thei...
I wouldn't say it got you a "free" HoF by any means lol
edgy widget
obviously some people had a reason to be upsetti, but the fact remains that it's lose-lose
- boss too easy - OUTRAGE
- boss too hard - OUTRAGE
- boss made easier - OUTRAGE
- boss made harder - EXTREME OUTRAGE
edgy widget
well gally is easier than mugzee
To my recollection, Gally and Mugzee weren't in Aberrus
low folio
Assuming this is about mythic, there can’t be that much outrage, just a small small portion of people
Unless this was about the dinars
But don’t think it was
rose bay
This is why every day im happy im dogshit and take my free mythic clears at thje end of the tier
ez, hard, just be good enough to crawl over the finishline :p
rancid night
is this a dream
Yep fewer dream
gleaming siren
Galastronk did you cook something today
gleaming siren
I was hoping for some good food
earnest canyon
I was hoping for some good food
His speciality is chocolate poptarts avec un glas du lait
gleaming siren
Surely he can make some banger qata'if
earnest canyon
He makes a mean Sausage Surprise
flat river
Surely he can make some banger qata'if
I actually can make qatayif
Although I don't like sweets xD
My mom taught me how to make them and made me make them every ramadan
xD
flat river
His speciality is chocolate poptarts avec un glas du lait
My specialty is sushi
I worked at a sushi restaurant for a year and they taught me how to make sushi
And made me serve customers
Since i was close to the restaurant they let me open up
They paid me 8 pieces of sushi for a day's work
XD
flat river
Galastronk did you cook something today
wanna see my warrior rework cook?
gleaming siren
I'm intrigued but also not really interested
flat river
aight i wont send it then
clever belfry
I'm intrigued but also not really interested
this guy joins NS and is instantly rude like this
gleaming siren
this guy joins NS and is instantly rude like this
I was rude before that
compact siren
the chef is about to share the secret recipe
clever belfry
compact siren
dont need the middle
clever belfry
think this needs to go back into the kitchen
compact siren
earnest canyon
Warrior is like KFC, except it's 7 turds and spices, but mostly turds
compact siren
@clever belfry say sorry
clever belfry
<@173741974493462528> say sorry
no
flat river
<a:kokoangy1:1358526039852322960><a:kokoangy2:1358526057778778132><a:kokoangy3:1...
i need this as a gif
flat river
huge
silver widget
does recrafting weapon to sav crest on second weap still work?
clever belfry
for 1h no, for 2h yes
You never needed to recraft for 1h anyway
just be in arms spec and hard relog (close game)
silver widget
ty
gloomy loom
How much ST %dmg you think we get with the upcoming buffs?
royal copper
Hmm, wonder if Slayer will become the new M+ build next patch?
smoky vale
no
royal copper
Either that - or Ravager might be replaced with Bladestorm (MT)
-- But i do see slayer become a possibility. "Culling Cyclone + Bladestorm"
modest hollow
Is there any1 who knows the best aoe rotation for MT?
smoky vale
Either that - or Ravager might be replaced with Bladestorm (MT)
-- But i do see...
no
bladestorm sucks
smoky vale
bladestorm itself does 0 damage and forces you to stop doing the rest of your rotation, unless its drastically buffer more you will play ravager
eternal sundial
#updates-midnight message @smoky vale
smoky vale
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069/136798808829...
yeah ik how to read phil
eternal sundial
od you
smoky vale
oui
deft vessel
Have you checked update?
- 30% dmg increase
bladestorm doodoo
better off running champ spear and not hard capping your rage on a spell that you can’t stop
dense elbow
Well, I am sure they gonna do another buff pass on Fury in a week Soon we going to get to play, without feeling like a handicap mod for the key
deft vessel
ngl our boss damage is so good and so sustainable that it makes up for our lack of AOE i feel like and i tested it out
two separate 10’s on motherlode, same comp but one run i was arms and the other i was fury, same route, same lust spots and we killed the bosses 30-45seconds faster every time
besides noxiv is running fury in MDI/TGP so no one can tell us shit anymore
fair thistle
what the fuck is that take
bro 10s
packs dont even last the whole duration of warbreaker 🤣
fair thistle
besides noxiv is running fury in MDI/TGP so no one can tell us shit anymore
he is running fury cause from what ive understood he only plays this spec, and all their strats are adapted to their comp dmg
idk dealing 2M instead of 1.7 doesn’t feel like worth outside of top & workshop for big keys
deft vessel
he is running fury cause from what ive understood he only plays this spec, and a...
you prolly right in that but hey a fury warr main is in MDI, but he is gonna play mostly arms on day one due to the top 3 specs being banned after day 1
eternal sundial
buff updog
dense elbow
ngl our boss damage is so good and so sustainable that it makes up for our lack ...
If I do 3m st, enh does 3.1m. if I do 2.2m, unholy does 2m. I do 2.5m, mm does 2.2m
Difference is when I do 5-6m, they do 15-45m.
Our ST is decent and in the top end. Our AoE potential is abysmal.
If you lose 7-40m DPS value on AoE, then on ST we would have to be that gained. We are lucky if we are a few hundred thousand ahead.
So while I agree prio dam got its own value to consider, the sheer gap in overall value is unreal.
In the best case scenario Fury does 4m overall. A retri does 5.5m. A UDK does 6m.
Our prio dam is not enough by a mile to make up for anything
Playing with Fury is possible, yet just accept that you are playing with a handicap
ionic bone
Devs are oblivious
Start of S1 was amazing for fury
2 weeks in and they ruined us for 2 seasons
earnest topaz
classical blizz , im suprised that you are suprised 😄
flat river
they fired him when he dared make fury fun
dense elbow
^ this
ionic bone
Imagine having zero utility and not being able to DPS
people take u to keys out of pity
dense elbow
They even whisper you after the key to comfort you
It is real bad atm, you top meters and still feel like a shitter
ionic bone
I would have played Arms in keys if it wasn't so trash to setup cleave all the time
warrior is just a complete damn mess
they need a huge overhaul
dense elbow
Gameplay is fun, they just need to up our AoE potential. Another BS dam buff 30% and a buff for OF by a small 125% would do it
Would give us a ish the same overall as Retri or just under MM. While still keeping our AoE sustain relatively low.
Just moveing it into burst and ST instead
woven valley
Our CDs overall just need a buff, our rotational damage is more than fine
royal copper
What race does warriors benefit most damage from? (Damage)
chrome plover
I think it’s velf or human rn but it’s often changing and always by a tiny amount
oh and dwarf I guess
and recently it was mechagnome
royal copper
i se orcs have Enrage and mechagnomes have STrength increase by 4 stack's 8 times
warm crag
Just sim it if you want an accurate answer
royal copper
Just sim it if you want an accurate answer
Or maybe someone already did in the cummunity, and thats why im asking.
warm crag
It literaly doesnt matter outside of rwf environments
chrome plover
Or maybe someone already did in the cummunity, and thats why im asking.
but your guy will be diff to their guy
tawny wing
something unholy also uses so you can try to convince people you're a brown DK so they let you in their groups
warm crag
Or maybe someone already did in the cummunity, and thats why im asking.
It doesnt work this way and what race is best can entirely depend on your gear
dense elbow
Well, you got things like Shadowmeld and Stoneform, that got value beyond the DPS number given
spare steppe
bladestorm itself does 0 damage and forces you to stop doing the rest of your ro...
youre talking about m+ right?
mint obsidian
Bladestorm doesn’t feel rewarding at all to press
smoky vale
no im general about the ability
mint obsidian
U get ability locked for X amount of time and not being rewarding, it sucks
It should literally DEMOLISH everything when u pop it but it doesn’t
spare steppe
no im general about the ability
it doesnt feel that bad to use as slayer
dense elbow
It kinda does
As a slayer player, you press bladestorm, you wont notice it. It barely increases damage if you zoom in and enhance the meters
On ST it is decent tho, so yay?
spare steppe
oh in terms of it damage yeah it should do more, but i’m referencing the “animation lock” part
smoky vale
no it sucks
dense elbow
I dont mind the spin animation, it allows me to take in the numbers on the screen. Sadly it doesnt do anything with the numbers.
marble pilot
Speaking of numbers. Anyone know how to modify critcakes damage numbers to work with fury better? It seems to only do thunderblast and cooldowns
marble pilot
Is it bad that I thought hey 2.9 not bad for fury?
If we got buffed to target cap 8 instead of 5 would it fix us or make us too strong?
smoky vale
you would still lose
woven valley
I still want them to make lightning strikes happen during ravager or bladestorm for thane, would be visually appealing and add more aoe
young swan
If we got buffed to target cap 8 instead of 5 would it fix us or make us too str...
still wouldnt be enough lol
smoky vale
still wouldnt be enough lol
hi xan
heavy nacelle
tried 1 button rotation on PTR on dummies...
mountain thane
5.8M manual mode
4.3M one-button mode
it was using a lot of execute and didn't use bloodthirst a single time :p
I mean pretty good for someone with 0 class knowledge and 0 required brain CPU during hectic fights so you can focus on mechanics 🙂
marble pilot
Without doing math wouldnt going from 5 to 8 target cap be pretty big boost. Like 30% more. Right now in m+ packs I hold like 4-4.5m so that would raise it up to 6m+? While not nearly as bursty as a lot of aoe is right now it is fully sustained all dungeon long with 0 setup.
Maybe that isnt enough but maybe it is for how easy it is to do
If they fully uncapped it or did the square root stuff I think we would be too good with how easy it is to fury aoe.
Maybe they can raise us to 8 then uncap or boost cooldowns but not improved WW?
heavy nacelle
your dps on 8 targets would be 50% higher than on 5 targets
deft vessel
60% no?
heavy nacelle
slightly less than 52% to be exact 😄
marble pilot
yeah %s are still weird to me. I know 100% more is 5 more targets. so i just did 20%/target as rough math. I know that isnt the right way to do it though
And I knew I was wrong so brought that down a bit lol. I guess I went too far down.
marble pilot
Oh I was way off then lol. My dumb ass wasnt thinking about tooltips at all. I just did 5 targets assuming all get 100% damage.
heavy nacelle
100 dmg single target
320 dmg 5 targets
485 dmg 8 targets
marble pilot
In my head there are two ways to change fury for aoe. Either raise the target cap so we sustain higher and stay somewhat unique as our cleave is built into rotation/capped instead of cds like everyone else.
OR make the cooldowns uncapped.
Id prefer a larger cap cause it would make us feel different and still let the bursty dps classes have a bit of a niche
smoky vale
if you uncap cds people complain because we will oneshot shitter adds that spawn
so that wont happen
marble pilot
Well arms already does that.
Or they could keep us at 5 targets but go from 55% cleave to like 70%
Or whatever the math needs to be
marble pilot
Other specs do it also. Doesnt mean arms doesnt. Seen some nasty clips of cleaves hitting over 100m. Granted unholy does it better
I think im 50/50 now on either going to 8ish targets at 55% or keeping us at 5 targets but raising the cleave number. Both could work and fury would still "feel" the same.
Though I think the crazed berserker swinging 2 weapons in circles constantly should probably be one of the better aoe specs thematically but whatever.
marble pilot
The average is way way lower. But you can stack up procs and save em from the previous pack to do massive hits on the pull of the next.
burnt kelp
if you uncap cds people complain because we will oneshot shitter adds that spawn
what if we did like raid cds and disc priest
uncap our cds
but only in mythic+
that way mages don't get us nerfed cuz we stole their padding
smoky vale
no
marble pilot
Personally I dont like M+ being different from raid. Just feels like bad design to me. I get it happens sometimes though.
burnt kelp
the way to be happy in life
is to not piss off mage players
because they make the game
burnt kelp
I don't know I don't play mage, but you probably shouldn't compare your class with mage
considering they have been the best class in the game for the past 2 decades
can't really expect to be as good as them
marble pilot
I dont care if arcane does good when played well. That rotation looks like hell. And ill likely never attempt it
My fury brain too small for that
marble pilot
Is it? Looks the most complex out of the guides on wowhead. Granted ive never tried it
burnt kelp
maybe it's a case of dh, the opener looked like hell on wowhead but in game it's pretty easy
smoky vale
evo missiles (orb if talent) surge (bar if talent) totm
compact knot
Is it? Looks the most complex out of the guides on wowhead. Granted ive never tr...
arcane was hard in DF
spec is a joke now
fair thistle
blud said arcane rotation was hard when its 3 buttons spec
compact knot
its probably the easiest of the 3 mage specs rn
fair thistle
fire is hard
velvet obsidian
Arcane mage guides always look like quantum physics until you actually play it and it's just toss orbs on CD, explode, barrage.
compact knot
fire being the hardest
fair thistle
not arcane
storm birch
Just need 14 meadery for resil 14’s. How bad is it 😅
velvet obsidian
I don't play mage cuz I'm not a nerd, but my buddy plays FotM specs and he says mage is never as hard as they make it look.
smoky vale
its not
marble pilot
The guide looks like I need to take a 8 hour course before I even start leveling.
I guess if you just look at the easymode section it isnt bad
smoky vale
you are overcomplicating rotations
marble pilot
Well they are
smoky vale
no
compact knot
class guides confuse the shit out of me like 50% of the time, the unholy dk one confused me and the rotation is literally the easiest thing ever lmao
smoky vale
they arent
yeah
if you look at a log
every first 9 globals of arcane are the same
the only time you think on arcane is when to abar
rest is keep np up
burnt kelp
class guides confuse the shit out of me like 50% of the time, the unholy dk one ...
1 hour of breaking your head on a wowhead guide only to spam 1-2 in game
compact knot
which you have a weakaura that does all the thinking for you
smoky vale
and clip missles
burnt kelp
smoky vale
which you have a weakaura that does all the thinking for you
yeah
i just dotn like how it looks
so i think
but its not hard
compact knot
1 hour of breaking your head on a wowhead guide only to spam 1-2 in game
lmao, seriously, use DT and just go 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2
for 30 seconds
obsidian zodiac
hi, so is fury rotation just opening with bloodthirst then hitting whatever keys you need to proc rampage, rampage then whatever that is highlighted afterwards/repeat? or bladestorm (been LFR)
smoky vale
lmao, seriously, use DT and just go 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2
you forgot defile festering bro...
in st
also you forgot to 3 vs while weaving in sd procs...
noob alertt
marble pilot
Aight so actually looking at easymode arcane its just missiles over surge, Pop CDs which barrage is in the air. Barrage when weak aura says too.
smoky vale
i think the only difference on the advance vs simple
clever belfry
balls
smoky vale
is if a buff is running out abar regardless
clever belfry
marble pilot
So far nothing has flowed to me like fury does. And I hate casting so its kinda moot for me to care about what casters are doing.
And I think my only complaint is the same as everyone else's as fury.
3rd worst spec in keys. Only ahead of Surv hunter, Shadow priest, aug. And no one counts aug right now.
smoky vale
aug beats fury in keys bud
marble pilot
Not on the lists. But but probably in utility
smoky vale
goat
sour frigate
🤔
smoky vale
marble pilot
This is last week. But sure.
It is kinda funny seeing only 59 augs doing +13s though they got it rough.
clever belfry
gala57
sullen dove
galakitty57
dense elbow
galakitty57
inner zinc
with the ilvl increases that are coming, are we likely to replace cyrce's circlet? Or are we already replacing the circlet atm?
burnt kelp
how many specs will be behind aug after their latest up
plush maple
Not Fury that's for sure
chilly fractal
with the ilvl increases that are coming, are we likely to replace cyrce's circle...
Yea I believe double 681 crafted rings even beats our cyrce
But sim what you get etc and you’ll know
chrome plover
adding a 684 ring instead of my signet right now is within variance
marble pilot
Not Fury that's for sure
Fury only beat Aug by like 300k last week in m+13s. with a 15% increase for aug they might win
chrome plover
you can’t just add 15% though because a lot of their contribution is still from buffs
they’ll climb a few spots though
marble pilot
Well yeah. And I guess they have some bug right now that makes them even higher but i dunno if the logs rankings is considering those
chrome plover
it will be considering both of those
at least the buffs, I’m not sure about how the bug works
kind bolt
wow nice bladestorm buffs do we go slayer m+ now?
marble pilot
From what ive seen no. Its a 1.7% ST buff not enough to consider using in aoe
plush maple
wow nice bladestorm buffs do we go slayer m+ now?
Always have been
modest condor
it's pretty close on small aoe, thane still clearly ahead on uncapped (lol)
thorny peak
bro why do these bronto mount ppl always dismount the minute u try to interact with them?
plush maple
bro why do these bronto mount ppl always dismount the minute u try to interact w...
I know right
thorny peak
so i wanna push to get 12s done any guides for dealing with m+ past 10?
marble pilot
Roll unholy dk
junior oyster
Sharing ones wealth with the poors risks you contracting their abject poverty. So they mount up, taunt you with their affluence, then poof
static rock
Weird question, but does anyone know how much ret is getting buffed? Like a direct % increase
clever belfry
balls
clever belfry
smoky vale
galakitty57
thats turbo cursed bud
smoky vale
Fury only beat Aug by like 300k last week in m+13s. with a 15% increase for aug ...
its a 5% increase
me when i say random numbers without knowing
forest owl
just waiting on confirmation that warrior becomes support spec, full rotation is putting banners down to buff everyone else, no invites unless banner build
thick fossil
That would be awful.
I didn't like the maldraxxus banner, support just sounds like shit.
marble pilot
me when i say random numbers without knowing
Sure its personal damage only but it says 15
I dont know enough about aug these days to guess what that actual dps increase is.
smoky vale
yeah its 1.15% of soemthing else
not aug itself
like
this does not affect ebon might which is most of aug damage
or boe
proud portal
warm crag
Worgen
burnt kelp
Fury furry warrior
marble pilot
I was a Worgen for a while. Rerolled Kul Tiran though
thorny peak
i wanna race change to tauren for even bigger shoulders
chilly fractal
I was Worgen from Cata until BFA
stoic loom
I was Worgen from Cata until BFA
ew
sullen dove
thats turbo cursed bud
truth is frightening for some
smoky vale
truth is frightening for some
i need some funding bud
sullen dove
incorrect
sullen dove
you just won 90k gambling
sullen tendon
when do we replace circlet
smoky vale
when the robot says your other rings sim higher
smoky vale
because we dont know what your gear is
sullen tendon
is circlet better than a heroic track ring?
is circlet better than a myth track ring?
smoky vale
try putting in minimal effort
marble pilot
Thats the answer though. I have seen some double myth tracks beat it. Some dont.
smoky vale
then
sullen tendon
for the past 6 yeras
sullen dove
Circlet is just stats
Getting mad at a correct response of sim it is no one’s problem lol
it’s like a lot of mastery and some of everything
sullen tendon
its not that
sullen dove
If a ring sims as a better upgrade it’s a better upgrade
smoky vale
theres no way you complain about not getting information handfed the way to get your answer and put in 0 effort
like
sullen tendon
its that theres no useful feedback other than "sim it" to every question about gear
smoky vale
because thats the only answer
sullen dove
But asking about circlet vs a ring is literally just asking about two normal rings basically
There’s nothing else to talk about
sullen tendon
im asking is it impossible to replace for the entire tier
sullen dove
definitely not
sullen tendon
some specs will never replace it
sullen dove
Especially since +6 Ilvl coming soon
No chance any spec keeps a 658 circlet over a 684 other ring
sudden tusk
Fury might replace it with a myth bandit vers ring
sullen dove
unless tank/heal proc still that strong or something
sudden tusk
But even then it's still pretty close
plush zephyr
its that theres no useful feedback other than "sim it" to every question about g...
Because there’s not anything to discuss. Outside of talking about trinkets for certain scenarios? Even then that’s super niche.
sullen tendon
this is the equipvelant of @grok is this true?
plush zephyr
remote bobcat
its that theres no useful feedback other than "sim it" to every question about g...
sir every single bit of context and information on gear is based on sims, you are asking a question that is therefore answered by either asking people who have ran sims on their own and they can give you a vague answer that might not even be applicable to your gear, or you could just sim it on your own. It's a very easy process so why not do it? If you are intimidated by it, ask for help. It's not as tedious as people make it out to be.
sullen tendon
ive been simming gear since simcraft was a thing. It would just be nicer if people had some general information for obvious things rather than "eh idk google it"
plush zephyr
What do you want us to say????? 😭
radiant plank
Game doesnt work that way
sullen tendon
so would you say a 658 ring with a proc for stats is better or worse than an 678 ring with normal stats and sockets.
smoky vale
general information would not be useful because everyones character is different
sullen tendon
no ones character is different
theres like 6 pieces of gear that will be different
eveyrone is going to use the same trinkets rings tier sets and weapons
smoky vale
no
remote bobcat
so would you say a 658 ring with a proc for stats is better or worse than an 678...
i can tell you rn that my fury is ok with replacing cyrce's within error margin rn at 672 but when i simmed it at 671 cyrce's beat out other rings
in ST
radiant plank
Everyones gear is different
remote bobcat
the only difference was upgrading mythic house of cards
and it immediately made cyrces worse
hushed raven
@sullen tendon if you want to ask about things like that go play wotlk
or smth
lol
sullen tendon
insane that you still cant understand this
fading sky
I think its boon for baboon
Cyrces is an outlier. In gen a 671 ring is better than a ring st 652
sullen dove
so would you say a 658 ring with a proc for stats is better or worse than an 678...
There are no more procs
Skipper gem nerfed like 2 months ago you just run strict statstick gems always
it is just static normal stats
fading sky
Hmm skipper simmed higjer for me
sullen dove
fading sky
In st
sullen tendon
i dont know why i ever come here
sullen dove
to find out things like when item changes happen
such as changing how the circlet gems work
clever belfry
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069/134522337259...
how about u update beez
smoky vale
or could be seen every time you decided to sim
sullen tendon
me when the answer was given months ago
sick could you say that immediately instead of jump thorugh hoops
sullen dove
I mean no one here thought you still thought circlet had procs
sullen tendon
when its right there
fading sky
Because it varies
smoky vale
because sim it is the correct answer For your character
sullen dove
how could we know
smoky vale
like what
that sim is for a character that can access every item in the game at a moments notice
can your character do that
no
sim yourself
sullen tendon
i do but i think you are confusing the idea of why i asked in the first place
fading sky
Or replace ring when u feel like it
sullen tendon
it is for convenience
smoky vale
me when i want to be handfed stats like a baby
sullen tendon
if i simmed every ring i have for a 0.05% difference i would waste so much time
sullen dove
me when i want to be handfed stats like a baby
me when I want to be handed gold like a baby
smoky vale
me when I want to be handed gold like a baby
yes please 🙂
fading sky
if i simmed every ring i have for a 0.05% difference i would waste so much time
Its 1 sim wdym?
sullen dove
demolish
dapper goblet
smoky vale
sullen tendon
https://tenor.com/view/plankton-eating-popcorn-popcorn-plankton-meme-plankton-ye...
hey i remember you
you were that guy who spammed season 2 set for hte vote in season 4 df
I hate you
dapper goblet
ez
smoky vale
https://tenor.com/view/plankton-eating-popcorn-popcorn-plankton-meme-plankton-ye...
does swordish deserve to get gear he didnt suffer enough on
sullen dove
xeos deserves to suffer advocating voting for a set on a class he doesn’t play
dapper goblet
um i played it that season goob nuts
smoky vale
xeos for yellow
radiant plank
Xeos vs necrolord banner
dapper goblet
swordish deserves to blow up
smoky vale
wonka warrior
sullen dove
never forget the 🤖 invasion
sullen tendon
european severs botting votes and streamers talking about season 2 over season 3 ruined season 4 df for us
sullen tendon
yea