fury

[earnest canyon]

Fix it in the lua file

[flat river]

how

goofy ahh update

messed up everything

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[dense elbow]

Get Bugsack and Buggrabber addons, they will keep em out of the way, and make it easier to see what WA or addon is going haywire

[iron portal]

Delete all addons ez

[thick fossil]

@sudden tusk So ref your latest video: I don't think the h & m tracks being 8 is fine. We'll most likely see S3 have them start out at 8 levels.

[chilly fractal]

I wonder much of the like 450 or w/e Gilded Crests I can farm before raid on May 13th...

[barren dagger]

it's capped until may 13th no?

[sullen dove]

ya

[barren dagger]

i guess increasing all ilevels is also an indirect raid nerf

CE should be free

[chilly fractal]

gonna have to run a lot of 12s that week

[hardy bluff]

he means on the wednesday this drops he will farm till raid

[chilly fractal]

yea gonna take like 23 keys to get the crests

[barren dagger]

oh good luck

rookery 23 times in a row

til eyes bleed

[chilly fractal]

oh well... by the start of the next week should have it all farmed I imagine

[warm crag]

don't burn yourself out king

[dense elbow]

We made it

[barren dagger]

he's trying to deplete

[modest condor]

wtf

[barren dagger]

nice

[warm crag]

applying

[remote bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-hart-kevin-hart-damn-gif-22709278

[barren dagger]

guess what funky

he wants an arms warrior

[dense elbow]

Ye... I know...

[sullen dove]

does bro got colorblind mode on

[dense elbow]

Still, close enough

You noticed, eh?

[sullen dove]

hunters the only like unchanged one

but the other greens and especially pink is weird lookin

[dense elbow]

For me it is "green" "light green" and red

[sullen dove]

is that a dk or a paladin

[dense elbow]

DK

[sullen dove]

o

neat

[dense elbow]

I kinda wish I could see what you see. Cause it was mindblowing for me when they introduced colourblind mode

suddenly I could see things

[chilly fractal]

I ran 25 MLs and like 25 Cinderbrews when farming gear at the start of the season... I can handle one more splurge of keys

[sullen dove]

so ive only crafted 3 things think i should def have a 4th spark rite..

or are we even on a 5th atp now

idk lole

o no iu have a full one

am tweaking

ok so supposed to have a 5th ig

[chilly fractal]

5 sparks

[sullen dove]

but w/e

just need 1 craft big runed crest prot weapon

yo this mace is sick

[dense elbow]

Put on some pants

[sullen dove]

i was wearing some until i found literally some random like grey pants i think off a rare in undermine

just put like a strap on my thighs

made the set way better

previously was just full pants but this is way more barbariany

[dense elbow]

Aight, I see what you going for

[sullen dove]

maybe hair color should also be black been runnin the orange for like 2 years

but ig mixes it up

[dense elbow]

Keep strong

stay orange

[sudden tusk]

tbh i dont like the item track going up

[remote bobcat]

because of the drastic power level difference?

[sudden tusk]

just seems weird. artificial pushes M+ up a key level for no reason

[remote bobcat]

im curious why you think thats inherently problematic

[sudden tusk]

i mean realistically the change not only doesnt effect me, but benefits me esp as people that will sell M gally a lot

i just dont like the idea of adding more ilvl

[warm crag]

there was just no reason for it no

raid balance is in a good state and its being soft nerfed further by more % from renown

[remote bobcat]

i think its to make this version of dinars more accessible without making them as broken as the df dinars

but im jsut speculating

[warm crag]

are we talking about dinars or the increased item tracks

i was specifically talking about the item tracks increasing here

[remote bobcat]

yea

item tracks increasing > more bosses killed easier due to higher power level > dinars more accessible

[warm crag]

im confused on what you mean here then

[remote bobcat]

ykwim?

[warm crag]

oh i mean i guess

idk i dont think you gaining a few ilvls is gonna make or break your ability to kill gallywix lol

esp with 12 more % of a damage buff yet to be obtained

[remote bobcat]

maybe not gallywix, but OAB?

bad groups struggle with the dmg check on oab

[vague sierra]

It'll sell a lot of tokens and rmt though for people buying boosts, which is somehow not a "you gotta earn the gearrr" issue for people.

[warm crag]

do they struggle with the damage check or to dying to coins/fire etc in p1

its most certainly the latter

[remote bobcat]

well both obviously

[random raptor]

Don't get me started on dinars, not only is it 2 and a half weeks away - you need 3 dinars to buy an item
AND you need to kill the boss on mythic to buy the item

[sudden tusk]

theres also the case to be said that if you cant kill OAB with 675 gear and a 15% damage increase you maybe just shouldnt get the boss kill

[remote bobcat]

people being dead can be accommodated for through higher ilvl

[sudden tusk]

raidings a team effort

[remote bobcat]

i mean thats literally my personal opinion

[warm crag]

this is a good thing actually

[remote bobcat]

but its worth speculating here

[warm crag]

i must gatekeep further

[random raptor]

How is it a good thing spongie lol

[sudden tusk]

becuase people who dont complete the challange shouldnt get the reward?

[thick fossil]

I think it's just the next misstep from blizzard. Doesn't really effect me either, but man are tokens about to spike from ppl wanting to get boosts.

[remote bobcat]

Gatekeeping loot behind skill and effort barriers emphasizes the need to put in said effort.

[sudden tusk]

dinars should incentivise raiding not make it obsolete

[warm crag]

if you want my genuine take on it its clearly meant as a bad luck protection system for raiders, not as a gearing system for anyone to access

especially since you only get two which just isnt enough to nab everything you need from raid to equip for m+

but two is certainly enough to pad out whatever slots your raid got unlucky on dropping for reclear

[sudden tusk]

i dont really mind blizzard trying things tbh, but as far as player power goes. farming another 30 crests per slot is about as mind numbing as it gets

[random raptor]

So since I'm 4/8M, the only mythic upgrade I can get from raid is a mythic helm, that means I can't even use dinars for anything? also we can't buy our first item for 5 and a half weeks?

[thick fossil]

That was my assumption as well. I don't think they ever gave loot for free from bosses/content you haven't done.

[random raptor]

are we allergic to having fun?

[remote bobcat]

if you're 4/8m unable to kill sprocket then you dont deserve sprocket loot until you put in the effort to kill sprocket

[warm crag]

should you get end of raid gear for simply logging in?

[barren dagger]

2 items? are you saying there's just 6 weeks from may 13th to season 3?

[thick fossil]

yup, gonna suck to burn that many more crests and extra farming.

[remote bobcat]

people like us tend to have the other crests saved up no? converting up ez clap

oh but on alts..

errgh

[chilly fractal]

I've already traded up so I had caps before raid on reset

so F

[thick fossil]

By the time the crests become uncapped we'll have a serious surplus

[sudden tusk]

i mean the changes legit are nothing but a benefit for me

[random raptor]

backwards logic, we're playing a video game - just cap the dinar to 1 per month and let us buy what we want

[tidal kindle]

https://www.twitch.tv/notabrasive/clip/YummyRacyCormorantWOOP-QCP2MxNAkyWUBlZE
Our boomie hero play on mugzee kill

@radiant plank

[remote bobcat]

dying in lightning for the soak

my goat

[young swan]

idk why people even call them dinar

they arent dinar

[random raptor]

What are they

[chilly fractal]

and call them chips

[warm crag]

idk im not learning the new name

[young swan]

bad luck protection

[clever belfry]

Big Balla

[warm crag]

bälle400.com

[young swan]

people bitching about them not being dinar but the only people that ever called them dinar is wowhead

[warm crag]

i call them dinar you muppet

[random raptor]

Being punished for not progressing mythic as fast as other guilds or not mythic raiding at all, when every other system is time gated is ridiculous

[young swan]

its not being punished

at worst you stay the same

thats not punishment

[barren dagger]

damn what happened to not being handed everything

[coarse nest]

I understand why, the items are supposed to feel prestigious

[remote bobcat]

you'll be in the same position you are in now and you say ur getting punished?

[vague sierra]

It's not for prestige, it's for increasing sales of tokens rofl.

[barren dagger]

it feels like shit if everyone can get your mythic BIS tbh

[sullen dove]

i mean if u stay the same and the rich get richer yea thats kinda annoying for most people

[random raptor]

It is though, you fall behind compared to other warriors just because they're in a better guild

[coarse nest]

Doesn’t make sense to get the master sword at the start of Zelda does it??

[warm crag]

should this not be the case????

[barren dagger]

xD

better players get more rewards oh no

[random raptor]

yes it shouldn't be the case lol

[coarse nest]

Right like this isn’t a perfectly balanced moba

[warm crag]

why should i not have a more powerful character than you if i put more effort and time into the game

[thick fossil]

You could always take the heroic version.

[remote bobcat]

you decide who you play with. if you're the fuckin goat playing in a shit guild then you are sabotaging yourself if gear and progression is your goal

[sullen dove]

if only they had the same stance about orange axe

[tidal kindle]

https://x.com/LimitKams/status/1915527265095684452

Kams (@LimitKams) on X

im not just cutting edge im bleeding edge. rotation always perfect. this is the only thing standing in the way of having a higher m+ score in my bio

X · Apr 24, 2025, 10:04 PM

[warm crag]

why doesnt the losing team in cs get the same money as the winning team wtf

[coarse nest]

Lmao

[remote bobcat]

wtf my team lost the round in cs2 so i have less money on this round wtfff we need equal moneyyyy

[random raptor]

nah you all just have wow player syndrome today

[coarse nest]

Ngl I’d be pissed too if I didn’t have access to the best loot but I also understand why it is the way it is

[wanton mirage]

blizzard outdone themselves again in how to disappoint playerbase SMH,

[coarse nest]

And I agree that it should be this way

[remote bobcat]

no you simply feel entitled to shit you never bothered to put in the effort to earn my guy

stop feeling entitled to items you never earned.

[hollow elk]

so if i take the hero version. i wont be able to upgrade it to myth version once i clear that boss ?

[sullen dove]

as it seems now nope

[coarse nest]

Good question

[sullen dove]

very good important hero items on vendor

[warm crag]

as it currently works, you cannot upgrade it afterward

hopefully they change that

[hollow elk]

like im okay with the myth lock but

that sounds like shit

[barren dagger]

why would you dinar a heroic version

[tidal kindle]

Krispy had a take I liked

[random raptor]

How have I not put in effort, I'm 3200 io and 4/8M - Should I have to join a 3 day a week raiding guild just so I can feel as strong as others when EVERY system is time gated except this one? lol

[coarse nest]

Just wait for mythic version

[random raptor]

Take a step back and think about it HARD

[hollow elk]

because i expected it to work like DF dinar but with a lock on upgrade until i clear specific boss

[warm crag]

help your prog if you didnt split

[tidal kindle]

Everyone can get mythic item, but if you already killed boss you get a discount (can buy 3 items instead of 2)

Big fan

[sullen dove]

peak

[coarse nest]

I like that too

[warm crag]

garm you gotta let me gatekeep in peace

[remote bobcat]

im in a 2 day raiding guild at mugzee, not sure what ur on about. Your m+ io also doesnt fuckin matter lmao

[sullen dove]

alternatively ignore kill req for 6 coins

get 1 item instead of 2

[tidal kindle]

Some guilds just never get CE and just never get access to last boss loot

Same logic applies

[coarse nest]

Give the average gamers a bone and the try hard get full profit

Win win

[tidal kindle]

Not saying I agree or disagree

Just pointing out the logic

[hollow elk]

remove this dinar system. activate my take.

get a dinar a week that lets you reroll your vault.

[wanton mirage]

how many weeks of season 2 we still have left?

[sullen dove]

like 100

[barren dagger]

did they say we would only get 6 dinars total?

[sullen dove]

yea

[marble pilot]

I dont really care about it much. But I feel like its end of season and we will replace it all soon in season 3 anyway. Why does it matter if people get 3 bis items. Myth raiders still get the other slots over em.
I get people saying you didnt earn it. But I also see it as a who cares the race is over. It isnt like you get Cutting edge from it.

[tidal kindle]

6 dinar total, 3 dinar cost

[hollow elk]

dont even understand why they made it cost 3

[remote bobcat]

season 2 items matter in season 3. thats why.

hope that helps

❤️

[hollow elk]

like just fucking give us one every 3 weeks

[sullen dove]

yea not really

for first week

then insta replaced

and if an item is so good its used long term it gets nerfed

[remote bobcat]

swordish

[sullen dove]

spymaster moment

[hollow elk]

season 2 item matter only until you get a season 3 replacement

[remote bobcat]

ww monks used transmitter

[random raptor]

Wow players are just allergic to having fun and blizzard gets away with trash patches and tuning

[remote bobcat]

all the way

in prog

[sullen dove]

ww monks are dentge

[remote bobcat]

this could happen to us

[tidal kindle]

I'm not allowed to have fun because I choose to play warrior

[remote bobcat]

we could be ww having to use cards

[tidal kindle]

[sullen dove]

and all 3 ww on wf gallywix used hoc

so uh no

[vague sierra]

Just give the dinars to raid world first for their accomplishment, tbh. If you're not first, you're last, after all.

[sullen dove]

transmitter is ass

[remote bobcat]

you're just entitled, thats it

[random raptor]

Nothing to do with being entitled, if someone is 2 bosses behind you but get's a mythic bis from a vendor like 10 weeks into the season really upset you that much?

[remote bobcat]

and its also not like these items will ever change your highest key you'll manage to do

so stop acting like these are any important to you

kekW

[barren dagger]

i mean surely you will kill the bosses you need with the increased ilvl as well as the % damage we get every 3 weeks. no?

you are 4/8 now

[random raptor]

Yes but I'm not talking about me specifically, just in general right?

[barren dagger]

nah you said your effort

[random raptor]

No Kronzo said that

[clever belfry]

-1

[tidal kindle]

[sullen dove]

:andasimp:

[hollow elk]

😨

[marble pilot]

Sure for the first 2 weeks. And the people that are pushing high end stuff already got the gear. No normal/heroic raider is gunna steal world first from ya if they get 3 myth track items.
I get it. But I dont think it is nearly as big a deal as people are making it. For either side.

[tidal kindle]

Anyone less geared than me just doesn't have passion for the game and is lazy
Anyone more geared than me is a sweaty no life tryhard

[remote bobcat]

season 2 items matter in the sense that they save a shitton of time during the beginning of season 3. not that they're inherently stronger than s3 items.

[tidal kindle]

Ty for coming to my ted talk

[clever belfry]

im unsubbed King

[tidal kindle]

Gg you found the cheat code

[sullen dove]

yea like it doesnt matter either way, like the people overtly whining about handouts is maybe getting a little old but the people also diehard meatriding gatekeeping "guh no effort no reward" are like equally as dumb

[young swan]

i dont really care at all but they shouldnt get upset they should just be like "wow i wanna kill the boss" instead of babyraging that better players get better gear

[cosmic sundial]

Think I’ve found my new sensei

Namaste

[hollow elk]

wish there was an mmo like wow but without all of the bullshit.. like all of blizzard lol

[tidal kindle]

Lost ark

[sullen dove]

like if everyone gets the best item it affects nobody, but also getting the best item is changing almost nothing for 99% of the playerbase

[tidal kindle]

[sullen dove]

in their ability to play game

[tidal kindle]

Different bullshit

[sullen dove]

they just feel not left out

[random raptor]

Getting these upgrades isnt going to magically get you CE, we're not rwf raiders competing for money and its late into the season, blizzard needs to focus on player fun and feeling good progressing lol

[hollow elk]

also not korean grindfest garbage

[remote bobcat]

it does indirectly affect people in the sense that there's a much lower incentive to raid

[barren dagger]

should just leave everything to chance like Legion legendaries

that's real fun

[sullen dove]

in the interest of yeah making the players happy there shouldnt be a kill req

[sullen dove]

i mean people still usually raid to finish a tier

if you get a piece of loot early who cares, sure its "not exciting" if it drops i guess

but its literally just a means to an end

[cosmic sundial]

I have no dog in this fight. I don’t mythic raid, don’t WANT to mythic raid, don’t care about getting myth track raid item. But it’s wild to me that mythic raiders want to gatekeep pixels like they think us shitters are gonna overtake them

[thick fossil]

Actually, it would. That's besides the point though.
@random raptor I've never seen Blizzard give loot from bosses/content that the player has never done. I highly doubt they ever would. They want to get ppl into raiding, and guilds and such.
There could be an angle that they are trying to make more money off of WoW tokens with Boost sales. That's kinda a 50/50 thing though, cause it was already happening.
In the end, I'm in the same boat as many here. This won't affect me either. I'm 3200 as well, and 4/8 with Sprocket being 2-4 pulls from clearing. We'll get CE as usual and carry on.
These "Dinar" are just for bad luck protection.

[remote bobcat]

A lot of people raid because the gear they get makes them feel like they're the motherfker, that's what they enjoy

[young swan]

okay but where is the "feeling good progressing" in buying an item from a boss you havent killed, again i dont really care, i just think people are acting like petulant children over a reasonable decision

[marble pilot]

How many guilds do we think go from 4/8 or 6/8 to 8/8 just from Dinar gear. I cant imagine it is too many

[barren dagger]

i mean all guild are getting another 12% damage buff

that's a lot

[remote bobcat]

a .5% increase will not make you go from a +15 to a +16 get a grip

[marble pilot]

Yeah the rep buffs are miles more than people getting free gear

[thick fossil]

With all the stuff that comes with the "Dinar" patch, there will be enough player power to mindlessly zug zug another key level or 2.

[marble pilot]

Yet no one cares about that.

[remote bobcat]

Yea obviously

but dinar'd items from the raid wont

kekW

[vague sierra]

No one cares about rep buffs cuz it's not going to drive token sales.

[sullen dove]

me when 6 ilvl on mythic bis is 1.3%

just st xd

[tidal kindle]

I wouldn't say the decision super reasonable so much as the argument is unreasonable

If people said they don't want to buy a heroic track item then rebuy after having killed mythic boss
Or why does heroic item cost same as mythic / why does mythic clear player cost same as non-clear

Sure, I get it. The good feeling / demanding to be on even footing off the rip with players who do clear mythic - I don't get

That's just me

[thick fossil]

Some ppl exploited the Raid Rep and got the full raid buffs. heh. That got fixed pretty fast as the raid buff got killled on em.

[remote bobcat]

are you comparing 684 BIS vs 678 current equipped?

cause thats kinda disingenuous

[sullen dove]

what compared to just like a 684 some other shit

[tidal kindle]

678 bis vs 684 bis

Is what he's comparing

[marble pilot]

Just saying I dont think people getting 3 pieces of gear matters much when the raid rep buff progression is so much stronger. A guild that cant kill the last 4 on Mythic with full rep buffs wont suddenly be able to cause they have 3 good pieces.

[barren dagger]

isn't that 1% quite normal for 6ilvl on a weapon?

[tidal kindle]

It's not even 3

It's 2

[marble pilot]

yeah even less of an issue then

[tidal kindle]

6 dinar total, 3 cost per item

It does feel bad losing the vanity aspect of something like jastor

To someone who's never going to pull mythic gally

But end of the day doesn't really matter to me

Doesn't affect how I play and interact with the game

Just a vanity loss

[marble pilot]

No title or mount for the person that bought it instead of earned it

[sullen dove]

ye i mean i like to vanity farm by buying m+ title every patch

my favorite hobby

then saying i earned it myself

could do the same for jastor ig

[tidal kindle]

Yah but you'd have to at least pay for those M+ titles right?

[sullen dove]

[tidal kindle]

And also play

[young swan]

sure thats reasonable, i dont think its unreasonable to say "kill the boss if you want the item" tho, people should absolutely have an upgrade path

[sullen dove]

i must be handed out title

[thick fossil]

and yet ppl still do it all the time. lol

[tidal kindle]

You can't just buy a 4man carry and afk title runs

Dinar just spawns into your bag for logging in

[random raptor]

Exactly, it's not a magic pill to push higher keys or suddenly get CE - it's about feeling good and progressing, not to mention if classes have bis trinkets locked behind bosses 6-8

[tidal kindle]

Yah agree
Rehashing krispy take best
2 dinar cost for items from a boss you've killed on mythic
3 dinar cost for item if you havent killed that boss

Everyone wins

[random raptor]

fun guys, fun, do you remember that

[tidal kindle]

Good compromise

[sullen dove]

3 items is like big strong, would say 3 for killed and 6 for not is like not bad

[warm crag]

is it fun to log in and click a vendor and be handed gear you didnt kill the boss for

[sullen dove]

for a non mythic raider ever and they can get 1 item

[warm crag]

it wouldnt be for me

[random raptor]

It's fun to get an upgrade from a boss 95% of players will never kill

[tidal kindle]

I thought that but like

The power creep is already gonna be XD

What's another 15-20k dps for someone who has mythic on blast already

[warm crag]

so you want handouts or

[barren dagger]

didn't they hand us everything mythic track in DF?

[warm crag]

like im content with not getting access to stuff i am not capable of completing

[tidal kindle]

You couldn't upgrade to mythic till you killed mythic version of that boss

[remote bobcat]

it's "fun" for about one login session and then its just another item you dont think about.. Not even real gratification, just temporary joy.

its like

[sullen dove]

and you can say that because theres nothing you arent capable of completing in wow

[remote bobcat]

tiktok levels of temporary

[tidal kindle]

Eminem levels of temporary....

[warm crag]

i cannot play pvp

[sullen dove]

pvp is a phone game

[warm crag]

id have loved to have the pvp illusions from that one season shrug

[tidal kindle]

https://open.spotify.com/track/6uMGHQvhZq8YyT4kdnG1L3?si=b20b6ffbba7048d4

[sullen dove]

also illusions are only like 2100 no

anyone can do that

[warm crag]

i can't but i dont cry about there being no vendor that gives me the illusion if i parsed 95 on vexie or smth like that

[sullen dove]

alot less effort than like m+ title or raiding on a schedule for months

oh true

man

imagine if they actually like correlated parses to buying shit

[tidal kindle]

Coming for your r1 gally next bud

[warm crag]

its r2 now

[random raptor]

Sure it could be considered a handout, but it's another item to level, its progression and fun lol, regardless if you get it from the boss or from a vendor

[tidal kindle]

The dpsmax brain in me is back after mugzee jail

[sullen dove]

if you 95% 4 or more mythic bosses you can get the mythic item

[tidal kindle]

O gg

[young swan]

i like the idea of just putting it on an upgrade track a la DF and having the upgrades be barred based on difficulty cleared

[sullen dove]

insta correlate player performance to reward

[warm crag]

korean man with 5 ilvls on me beat me

[tidal kindle]

Gg....

[barren dagger]

lumberjack website defines how we play the game always

[tidal kindle]

KR > EU

NA > KR?

[young swan]

DF version prob the best

tbh

and i dont really like the idea of getting more dinar for killing more bosses

think 2 is a really good sweet spot

[chilly fractal]

the SL version you just had to use the items that dropped from Mythic to upgrade the item to max ilvl yea?

[remote bobcat]

an item to level? progression? My guy everyone will be sitting on crests, that shit is upgraded within the minute of you talking to the vendor

[tidal kindle]

Honestly you guys are all dumb
Just give me max ilvl loot from every boss when I log into the game like tourney realm
But only me, no one else

Ty

[random raptor]

Kronzo, Lil Timmy 2/8M 11 weeks in getting a mythic best in slots upgrade does not affect you in the slightest but Lil Timmy will be having a lot more fun

Just stop

[tidal kindle]

Also give me +10 ilvl boost on all my gear

[young swan]

canit moment

[sage ridge]

I wouldn't be surprised if they change the Dinars to be more like the DF S4 version

[tidal kindle]

Miss him so bad....

[sage ridge]

Seems most people hate the new version outside of the class discord

[tidal kindle]

[remote bobcat]

are you clueless or just pretending? The argument is that this shit destroys raid incentives

[tidal kindle]

Wow went to shit when OT police retired

[warm crag]

go play on a private server you can generate whatever gear you want in or

[tired dragon]

yeah but fuck lil timmy i hope hes miserable

[warm crag]

you want a sandbox we want a game to progress in

[young swan]

thats real actually

[remote bobcat]

wow is not a sandbox

fr

go play minecraft

[tidal kindle]

Anyone wanna play raft

[chilly fractal]

I miss OT Police

[warm crag]

log in factorio

[tidal kindle]

Bro I am not allowed to factorio

I will hyperfixate so hard

[warm crag]

log in bitch

[tidal kindle]

After gally die

[remote bobcat]

we want items to be earned through overcoming the challenge needed to obtain said item. These chips give us bad luck protection in case we never see the item drop despite overcoming that challenge

[tidal kindle]

Rn my hyperfixate is gally

[remote bobcat]

this is a good design

you want free shit

[warm crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1121110665545924709/1363201521231200318/image.png?ex=680bc359&is=680a71d9&hm=c569a82026c6671d42d960a67bd2e26e16fdace11d23760f0a7bd85ad5e7e0d9&

assembled a small modpack

[tidal kindle]

I have seen so many vods and povs of that fight, I can play the fight blindfolded

Assuming I had a way to discern my blaze lines

[random raptor]

You guys are 100% right and I'm not being sarcastic at all, all those stupid players, CE unattainable but still logging in to have fun with their guilds every single week, how could we ever give them a 1 item upgrade to feel good wtf? lock them up!

[warm crag]

gally is crazy scriped

[chilly fractal]

time to sim 675 ilvl Mechano-core and Suspicious energy drinks vs 684 myth trinkets

[sullen dove]

671 hero track

[warm crag]

are you entirely 100% loot oriented in your pursuits in this game?

[tired dragon]

they can have fun without the 13k dps increase of H > M jastor diamond

be so forreal

[chilly fractal]

sorry typo

[tidal kindle]

Ok wait hear me out

MIDDLE GROUND

Anyone can buy mythic

BUT

[remote bobcat]

these people have fun without needing an artificial upgrade that has close to no impact on their performance

[tidal kindle]

Very rare limited to having killed boss

GG

Vanity: Checked

[tired dragon]

they dont need M jastor diamond to do their world quests faster

[storm birch]

you act like therent 15 other trinkets to go for

[remote bobcat]

absolute_cinema

[random raptor]

No, I'm 100% fun orientated when I'm playing video games.. you remember having fun?

[storm birch]

and heroic jastor is barely diff from mythic its like 1% or something

[warm crag]

yes and i remember when i loaded into minecraft creative gave myself 2 stacks of diamond blocks and logged off

[rich flame]

the timing for all this content this patch just seems like stalling.

[random raptor]

Who plays minecraft bro

[warm crag]

?

[sullen dove]

chicken jockey

[remote bobcat]

replacing one active trinket with another active trinket, same cooldown, just different numbers, has no effect on your actual fun of the game and you need to stop pretending like it is. It's VERY temporary tiktok levels of temporary serotonin firing in your brain congratulations

[warm crag]

lava chicken

[rich flame]

flint and steel\

[storm birch]

fun is great. It is fun to feel rewarded for the grind. Giving up hours of your time to complete a raid and earning the loot feels great. Lots of fun. You know what isn't fun? Doing all of that then looking over and seeing LFR Andy with the same piece of loot that they spent 2 hours getting

[sage ridge]

That comparison is shit but there is a point to be made there

[sullen dove]

and yet they made fyrakk axe

gg

they dont care about your effort

they care about lining their pockets

[random raptor]

The feeling of changing heroic item -> mythic item in a slot and levelling it up with crests is what's important - nothing to do with damage

[remote bobcat]

theres a lot of player who start up a game and enable dev mode or cheats to give themselves everything and they immediately lose all fun of the game since actual progression and incentives are lost in the process

[warm crag]

killing the boss that drops the item is the important part man you have it twisted lol

[sage ridge]

I think logging onto Minecraft and giving yourself takes 2 minutes. To get a item with Dinars you still have to log on 3 seperate weeks and kill 4 bosses

[vague sierra]

Except that's exactly what's going to happen when lfr Andy swipes his credit card and buys a mythic carry on the 27th...

Why are people ignoring this.

[storm birch]

yes they line their pockets by keeping people coming back to raid week after week to push for end bosses and high loot. Not by handing out all the BiS loot to the average player

That sounds like the way to kill raiding

as I stated earlier

[warm crag]

do you think the person that would do this doesnt already do that

[remote bobcat]

which they are doing anyway

[warm crag]

who do you think funds my flasks and shit lmao

[random raptor]

you're forgetting that majority of players aren't getting 8/8M, you have it twisted

[vague sierra]

I think it's just straight up harder to do when it's not guaranteed.

[tidal kindle]

The guy buying M gally lockout for $6k USD worth of tokens of gold

[sage ridge]

Yeah I don't disagree I just don't think that comparison is very good

[tidal kindle]

[warm crag]

my king

[vague sierra]

Which is a fact given every single person who's looked at this has gone this is gonna be way better for boosting rofl.

[sullen dove]

xeos take will be correct

whatever he says

everyone silence

[warm crag]

idk if anything itll be worse for boosting since itll lower the incentive for whales to buy repeated loot runs yknow

[dapper goblet]

goober swordish hardstuck sprocket shouldnt be able to buy a mythic jastors with the dinars

[sullen dove]

k nvm

blow up

[warm crag]

xeos so right

[storm birch]

lmao

[sullen dove]

im tanking now

[storm birch]

F

[sullen dove]

multirole king

[vague sierra]

Nah, the way people are defending it, I highly doubt that.

[warm crag]

defending what

[storm birch]

who cares if people buy.. better than free handout to all

[remote bobcat]

giving someone who is capable of 4/8m and ONLY 4/8m with all the item upgrades, corruption enchants and passive number increases you'll get by may 27th a jastor diamond is a big mistake as it will actively cause some guilds to stop progging

[random raptor]

Why do you think guilds will stop progging because they got a mythic ring

[sullen dove]

if ur guild stops progging because of that then they are filled with brainlets

ngl

yes it removes some "fun" from killing the boss

[random raptor]

People aren't going to stop playing the game because they got an end game boss item once per month

[sullen dove]

but the entire raid is not collectively wanting to kill the boss to see a single jastor maybe drop

[storm birch]

they may not stop progging but you may get roster boss

[gloomy lynx]

Some ppl play this game for loot like poe tho so they’re less incentivised

[tidal kindle]

I bought a sanctum run on xmas week, got jaithys, and then my guild stopped raiding and blew up

[remote bobcat]

some guilds run off of loot incentives and giving them everything kills their interest

[sullen dove]

gg

[tidal kindle]

Those events aren't related ofc

[warm crag]

given how much ppl are malding over not being able to buy jastor diamond mythic it does seem like an insane amt of ppl are entirely loot driven

[tidal kindle]

But it's funny how it happened like that

[chilly fractal]

Never saw a Mythic Jaithys until Season 4

[tidal kindle]

My 2 warriors looted like

9 Jaithys in sanctum

All after my guild died

[dapper goblet]

went the whole first tier without mythic kyveza weapon swordish goober shouldnt be allowed to buy it

[tidal kindle]

Crazy

xeos so right

[sullen dove]

mad cuz bad perhaps

[storm birch]

theoretical. Let's say you have someone that does m+ and raid and loves them both. Doesn't care about the CE title but raids each week to get the absolute best in slot gear so they can pump m+. They get dinars and buy all the loot they need. Do you think they show back up to raid? This is how you stunt progress in many guilds if you open up to anyone to buy. There are many players that would ditch the content and commitment if they got the loot.

[dapper goblet]

remove dinars and suffer

[sullen dove]

just get the weapon

[fair swallow]

i think the system is fine, it's like a sympathy system

[sullen dove]

blizzard when they implement fyralath into the game

just get it

4head

[remote bobcat]

they will abandon the raid obviously

[dapper goblet]

bad weapon according to some

[storm birch]

yes

[dapper goblet]

some tardy blue names

[sullen dove]

according to some silver junkrats

[dapper goblet]

wont name names

[tidal kindle]

@young swan

[young swan]

never played junkrat btw

[sullen dove]

missing out

[remote bobcat]

this chip/dinar system won't actively hurt anyone, it's a pure benefit to absolutely everyone involved, everyone gets items depending on what they have achieved.

Your greed is blinding you

[balmy shore]

i ripped jaithys first mythic kill

[random raptor]

Getting 1 item every 3/4 weeks would absolutely not stop players from raiding - remember most people raid for fun, wow is not that serious.. no fun having mentallity

[tidal kindle]

We gave our disc heroic hoc cuz he was hostaging us after disc nerfs (threatened to go holy after 100 pulls on mugzee)

[remote bobcat]

you want the best shit

[tidal kindle]

Ended up leaving that reset anyway

[warm crag]

Miss when xantage was yellow and only said true things like fyralath is a dps decrease

[tidal kindle]

Imagine we gave that hoc to our evoker and didn't get hostaged

Mugzee dies 2 days earlier

[remote bobcat]

Most people raid for fun..yet they quit the moment prog is over, they quit the moment they get bis gear because "whats the point?"

[tidal kindle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1013597973059473499/1309732449961377792/never_me.gif

[remote bobcat]

thumb

[sullen dove]

i ripped fated jaithys out of first week fated sanctum was out cuz we just kt skipped since it was so much easier than toher bosses

like 3rd week i think

dont think ever got regular jaithys in real season tho L

[balmy shore]

not true!!! i got fyralath way after prog!!!

[random raptor]

People don't quit when they get bis gear, sure they quit when prog is over but that's because you need 20 people to raid

[fair swallow]

does fury's "cleave" affect the area around the target, or around you?

[remote bobcat]

People absolutely quit when they get BIS'd out

wdym

kekW

[chilly fractal]

first sanctum week for Fated 2 other guys in my guild looted Old Warrior Soul and I was all depressed... then I walked up to the chest and BAM 3rd OWS

[sullen dove]

around you methinks

[warm crag]

Not getting jaithys in s4 sucked right since u wanted to buy gavel ows

[storm birch]

lmao i remember you mentioning that. That sucks big time. Evoker is such a spike with HoC too. Shame

[random raptor]

I played for a solid 2 months after hitting gear cap last season, even when we finished raid prog, wheres your head?

[fair swallow]

cool this helps me massively

[sullen dove]

thats just a methinks

:caught:

[random raptor]

oh shit I'm max gear guys sorry can't come to raid!!!

[sullen dove]

pretty sure its around but ion rly kno

[remote bobcat]

you arent every single person in the world, are you?

[dapper goblet]

goober swordish should not be allowed to buy loot off a boss he didnt kill

[remote bobcat]

😫

[storm birch]

Yea i don't agree with this at all. Sure there's lots of people progging normal with their guilds for fun but there's also many progging through Mythic struggling each week to kill bosses. The second things get tough the mythic + fence sitters will be out. What's the point if not for loot if you could jsut push io

[warm crag]

Destroying the exception please say something less fallacious please

[sullen dove]

goober wonka doesnt get very rare fist weapon he doesnt deserve

[storm birch]

I just don't see how that's not obvious

raid numbers already hurting. Why give the loot goblins a reason to dip out

[fair swallow]

they didn't

[sullen dove]

what is the point of stopping playing after you get an item

you continue playing to use the item and parse

idk wtf this notion is

when a tier ends sure you can take a break

[opal monolith]

did we get shadow buffed?

[storm birch]

I'm speaking to the point that dinars should be how they used to be

[sullen dove]

but if someone leaves after getting 1 item they are not a wow player

[woven valley]

I know as a loot goblin, I like loot because it helps me do better in raid and mplus…I don’t just get loot and stop playing lol no point in playing at all if you’re gonna do that

[warm crag]

No you are just blasting

[opal monolith]

whats up with the tooltip of this?

is this for everyone?

[fair swallow]

but how it's going to be it works like a gacha pity system

[sullen dove]

4% dmg holy

[warm crag]

4% holy moly

[tidal kindle]

Yeah but according to bluename @young swan - Fyralath is actually not a gain

[remote bobcat]

4%

[storm birch]

It's not really stopping playing. It's more like go play the other content you enjoy that doesn't require a 2-4 hour scheduled commitment each week multiple nights

[opal monolith]

is it just my tooltip thats scuffed?

[tidal kindle]

So grats on the post-prog transmog

[storm birch]

i'm not saying it would happen to all but there are def many m+ fence sitters that would be happy pushing their dream of title if they got the BiS loot

[sullen dove]

i mean the only other content in the game is m+

[warm crag]

Getting fyralath on prog kill was kinda fun tbf

[fair swallow]

it encourgaes people to prog the kill and still requries them to return to raid to get dinars

[storm birch]

it works as bad luck prevention. Which is awesome

[sullen dove]

and while there are m+ers that raid solely for the loot out of it and would not be as likely to stay in the raid once they get it, dont you want those people fucking gone earlier anyway

"oh m+ andy here comes for bis, gets it and leaves guild immediately nice"

[fair swallow]

plus if you really want to get bis out of your mind you have to prog mythic

[sullen dove]

just hand him what he wants and he's gone earlier and ur not worrying about him anymore

and get real people that want to play the real game

not some minigame shit

[opal monolith]

100 parse for key level

shadow buffed for sure

[warm crag]

Fake

[storm birch]

I would prefer them to keep pushing if it means the group gets to raid. Recruitment isn't exactly fruitful rn. Unless you're like 3/8 M. I'm not too sure how well heroic guilds are doing on recruitment but that's dynamic group size anyway

[sullen dove]

but regardless it is not a big portion of players at all that would just immediately leave after getting an item whether handed out to them or earned

[fair swallow]

at this point i feel like m+ should be it's own gamemode or realm like plunderstorm is

[storm birch]

but for mythic roster boss is way worse than having a wishy washy player on your squad

[balmy shore]

@young swan hey buddy

[fair swallow]

the infinite scaling crap just doesn't work when you can only get so high of an ilvl

[storm birch]

i'd be interested to see raider numbers in season 4 DF when dinars came out . Idk if those numbers are anywhere

[sage ridge]

I just find it funny they are taking a system pretty much everyone liked in DF S4 and changing it

[storm birch]

and all of this aside if you want loot a boss drops kill the boss i think that's just the simple version of all of this haha

[sullen dove]

s4 dinar is like the fakest season imaginable

[young swan]

im on a hike

[sullen dove]

so many people stopped playing

maybe the loot was a small part of it

but it was not a real raid tier

[sage ridge]

I really don't understand why getting 2 pieces of myth track that far into the season when they are already spiking player power so much matters

[sullen dove]

it was just another season to stroke yourself parsing if you wanted to

me for my part i had so much fucking fun in s4

[coarse nest]

You should have to kill a boss to aquire its loot that’s pretty basic to understand and very reasonable

[tidal kindle]

YO I'm going on one on sunday

[sullen dove]

cuz i actually got the high end loot early and was able to parse high

[storm birch]

cause they didn't earn it

[remote bobcat]

player retention > temporary gratification

[sullen dove]

several r1's in amirdrassil that i enjoyed getting

[young swan]

it doesnt, its just also not worth throwing a fit over

[sullen dove]

cuz i could buy the loot

[random raptor]

Just change the amount of dinars you can get, make it like 1 per month and s4 dinar system

[storm birch]

you get gold medals in swimming if you don't know how to swim ? Or do the olympians get those

[sullen dove]

should not be more than like 2 a patch

[sage ridge]

I understand this but you look literally anywhere else but a class discord full of CE players no one likes it

[fair swallow]

they should make m+ a seperate realm that has seperate rules, i.e. infinite scaling gear, and make the rewards you get in that realm usable as tokens for you actual character

[coarse nest]

Technically you can buy the loot right now without dinar just need a whole lot of gold

[sage ridge]

I don't even have a problem with it

[random raptor]

or this, yeah

[chilly fractal]

and if we get a S4 this xpack we may get that... but this isn't a S4

[sullen dove]

me when buying rng

gacha games got better rates

[warm crag]

Reddit is popping off

[coarse nest]

[sage ridge]

But it is so irrelevant and people are mad if someone wants 2 pieces of good gear because they didn't earn it

[sullen dove]

westerners made broke

[barren umbra]

2% from both items is what stopping them from reaching +18s!!! you just dont get it bro!!

[sage ridge]

Well I think the reason most people don't like it is because it is a useless system for everyone but mythic raiders

[fair swallow]

i don't understand the not earned part

[sage ridge]

Esepcially since most people like the previous version just fine

[storm birch]

It really isn’t irrelevant though. You should have a feeling of achievement and exclusivity if you clear the hardest content

[fair swallow]

how is it not earned if they killed the boss 3 weeks in a row and didn't get the drop?

[remote bobcat]

its a raid based loot addition

[opal monolith]

howlong has whirlwind tooltip been fucked?

[remote bobcat]

you literally need to raid to get them

[sage ridge]

You make it seem like a LFR player is getting handed a full set of myth gear

[storm birch]

In the way people are wanting it you could buy the loot without ever killing the boss on the difficulty

[vague sierra]

If you don't feel exclusive getting CE and a higher kill score than most other players, a jastors isn't going to fill the whole in your life bud

[fair swallow]

yeah that's dumb and unhealthy for the game

[storm birch]

It’s a combination of everything together

Mount, loot, title

Everyone is different about which they like

So having the lot of them is nice

[sullen dove]

and all of those are already irrelevant

people buy all of that shit

[sage ridge]

At the point you get the dinars people are already quitting the season

[sullen dove]

so who cares if loot is slightly more irrelevant

[remote bobcat]

i hate to break it to you, but people find ambition in seeing that one BIS'd out guy standing in Dornogal with his mythic end boss kill title sitting in the big G

[tidal kindle]

The current implementation is a *win more * system which sucks
But it shouldn't be an "everyone wins participation trophy" either

My take

[sullen dove]

yea they feel the same seeing mount collector martin drop 50mil for his 1150th mount in his collection

[tidal kindle]

There's a middle ground

[sullen dove]

riding the big G

ton of ambition

[random raptor]

Ambition from CE/Title? yes, ambition from someones mythic jastor? bro seriously

[remote bobcat]

if i inspect someone rn seeing them BIS'd out that impresses me more than the title

shrug

[tidal kindle]

Jastor rarer than CE

[sullen dove]

i mean early in the season its def cool to see that but 12 weeks in no one cares

[random raptor]

Exactly lol

[sage ridge]

I just find it funny that they make this entire thing about adding a currency to purchase loot then make it irrelevant to a large majority of the playerbase

[sullen dove]

like an honestly raider joined a heroic pug one time with myth bis and kezan and shit and we were like "yo thats kinda sick"

[chilly fractal]

My guild has seen 1 Normal mode Jastor and 0 Heroic

[sullen dove]

but if someone joined with that now im so much less impressed

[remote bobcat]

myth jastor? no one cares? you're not serious are you

[sullen dove]

i mean like its just not as big of a deal as ur makin it, like yes its maybe "the rarest raid loot in the game" and its cool to see on someone but like over a hundred guilds have killed it, and no one is seeing it and gaining the delusion of "wow that could be me if i tried to raid!!!"

[young swan]

my dog is beating my ass rn

and my crocs are even in sport mode

[remote bobcat]

thats the delusion i had as a lil timmy before i started prog raiding for the first time

same holds true for just about all my guildies

[sage ridge]

It just seems like people who raid would be mad that a shitter could get 2 items from the raid they spend 3 months in

When it actually doesn't matter and would probably make more people happy if they just let them get the 2 items

[random raptor]

This is not runescape 2007 bro where you sit in Varrock and see a player wearing a party hat

[smoky vale]

show dog

[random raptor]

If you're actually sitting in Dornogol inspecting players and admiring their mythic jastor idk what to tell you

[remote bobcat]

obv not

i have no reason to

[sullen dove]

like it just kind of is a conundrum, the people that cant get it and want to get it do not need to have it for anything they're doing, but in a similar vein whether they do or not it just doesnt matter and effects almost nothing

[sage ridge]

People are talking about earning but logging on and killing 4 bosses on LFR for 3 weeks is honestly more work than getting a myth piece in vault

[remote bobcat]

but others might.

[fair swallow]

lowkey i feel this when i see someone who hasn't killed normal gallywix with a heroic jastor or eye lol

[sullen dove]

like if you see mythic jastor on someone in 5 weeks youll just go "ok cool they got CE i could join a ce guild or buy a boost"

there is 0 prestige behind it being very rare and it just becomes "they did a boss once"

which like 5 other things about them could tell you that

[random raptor]

Pretty much this, it affects no one, it's not a magic pill to get CE/Title but its fun and progressing gear for dopamine hits matters

[sullen dove]

whether rio tells you their raid prog, their mount, their title

archon telling you their parses i guess too lol

[sage ridge]

Here is the thing

They make it all one track and the people who don't raid get to have fun and get 2 nice pieces that they would otherwise never get. Then the mythic raiders get to get the pieces they didn't get to drop for them

[remote bobcat]

not every guild raffles off their items, some give em to "that guy" in the guild first

[sage ridge]

How does allowing other people to benefit from it affect your game or enjoyment

It doesn't

[remote bobcat]

cute doggo

[sullen dove]

sure, and while that applies before you are able to buy them, once you are able to buy them no one cares what loot anyone is wearing

[sage ridge]

People are just mad at the idea someone will get loot easier than they did

Simple as that

[sullen dove]

"you killed the boss, you automatically get the ring"

no extra ambition gained from someone having the item than any of the like 5 other indicators that someone killed a boss

[remote bobcat]

yea after 27th it could very well be "killed the boss once"

[tulip swallow]

They want to be one of like 4 people in the guild that gets one to drop natty

[sullen dove]

which is why it should matter to no one what loot anyone can or cannot get when buying things becomes available

[tulip swallow]

I don't get it

[remote bobcat]

my personal opinion is that dinars shouldnt exist at all

[sage ridge]

They really shouldn't

[random raptor]

I agree with that

[sage ridge]

That is an easy fix for all of this

[remote bobcat]

and the pre-season should allow everyone to sandbox vendor buy al lgear

in prep for s3

shrug

[sage ridge]

But I really do think they should just make it one track and just let everyone get 2 items for the sake of the entire playerbase

It already so far into the season

[sullen dove]

i dont think i would hate there being a noticable difference between having killed a boss vs not , like mentioned before you get 1 less item but you dont have to kill the boss

but if it does exist, it really shouldnt ostracize a majority of the playerbase

they do not NEED the gear at all, who cares, but they are made happier and like 99 times out of a 100 they're more likely to continue playing

to see their loot put to use

sure there are cases ppl will dip out

but like shit like that can always happen

[sage ridge]

I also think people who have access to mythic loot really downplay how much fun it is for someone to get those items who would never see them outside of it

[remote bobcat]

ostracize a majority of the playerbase? how so?

nothing changes

[random raptor]

How many guilds kill mythic end boss every season?

[remote bobcat]

for everyone that hasnt completed the bosses

theres no "new" disparity

[dapper goblet]

goober swordish should not be allowed to buy mythic BIS unless he's suffered and killed bandit

[sullen dove]

by not letting them get the loot other people are getting for just having killed a boss, theres a difference between buying a boost/doing a boss and maybe getting lucky vs doing the same and you get the item

[marble pilot]

How about you get to buy myth track stuff. But it is label "vendor purchased by some scrub that couldn't get it themselves"
And the high end people get to laugh at you still.

[sullen dove]

i mean bandit prolly dies by the time i can buy the thing

[remote bobcat]

the disparity exists regardless of the dinar system

[sullen dove]

with 6 ilvls and raid buffs

still like 5 weeks away

[fair swallow]

this

[sullen dove]

im not worried about bis for me

[remote bobcat]

i killed bandit tonight

:D

coolio

[sullen dove]

poggers

[random raptor]

grats

[remote bobcat]

SwagCool

[sage ridge]

This system makes the disparity worse. It might as well only be put in place for mythic raiders that are 6/8 or above

[sullen dove]

but again yea its not like that gap hasnt existed before, but its like more noticeable and significant now, when before you mythic raid and "maybe" get better loot to use in whatever other content you want. now its "if you mythic raid you are guaranteed to get something that will put you ahead of other people"

and the other people are going to feel more behind

even if them being behind is irrelevant

which it is

it just makes them feel bad and the game should generally try to make the most players happy it can

[fair swallow]

shouldn't this encourage more people to try mythic rading?

[random raptor]

It's not like getting a mythic item you otherwise wouldn't have gotten is going to make you parse 100, disparity will always be there, its more the fun/enjoyment

[sullen dove]

i mean it can and im sure a few might but i think more people are going to be upset and complain than try to mythic raid

cuz it is a pretty big step up commitmentwise from having never done it

[random raptor]

you're missing the point, majority of the player base is not killing Gallywix, what does it matter if they get mythic jastor for example

[sage ridge]

I really doubt it is going to make anyone mythic raid outside of players that dropped mythic raiding earlier

[thick fossil]

It should be very simple to see they want more people playing raids. Or buying raid boosts.
I don't think it's a big deal with the way they've chosen to go.

[sullen dove]

yea they real excited about people buying boosts in 5 weeks 😼

[chilly fractal]

12% more damage buff, Corruption, 6 ilvls to gain! At least we’re beating Augs!

[sullen dove]

wowtokens boutta triple in price

[random raptor]

I'd argue getting a mythic upgrade isn't going to change the amount of players raiding anyway

[vague sierra]

People should get their titles stuck to "dogwater player" until they get CE so we can really feel the incentive to mythic raid.

[thick fossil]

Will it work, who knows. Blizzard has been tacking a lot of "L"s this expac.

[chilly fractal]

Works the opposite way

[sullen dove]

feel like no way they get more expensive if no one is buying them

blizz is the one that decides that

[vague sierra]

Just hold the gun to their head as that's the only way people are going to mythic raid, ofc. Don't make the content itself more enjoyable.

[fair swallow]

okay and that's fine, majority of the player base still doesn't kill heroic bosses. what i'm saying is if people actually want the best gear they should have to play the harder content

[sage ridge]

I mean the defense of the system is so ass

All people are saying is they didn't earn it

As if getting 2 items 3 months into the season matters at all to anyone

[sullen dove]

or you mean yea for money you get less gold

[fair swallow]

the people complaining don't have the right mindset for mythic raiding anyway imo

[sullen dove]

i guess not triple i mean then like drop in value

more money for the same amount of gold

[random raptor]

bro just have fun, who cares if big ol' brian 8/8H gets a mythic best in slots since he'll never see it anyway

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/out-of-line-anthony-mackie-sam-wilson-falcon-the-falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-gif-21182970

[fair swallow]

i am having fun lol, i enjoy pushing myself to do harder content with a guild and i feel that this system is a step in the right direction to encourage more people to do it too

and the people who don't want to do it will just settle for m+ gear anyway

[sage ridge]

It really doesn't push anyone to do mythic raiding

Getting 2 pieces of gear 4 months into a season does not push someone to prog mythic raid

[sullen dove]

the most fun i had raiding is the fated seasons of shadowlands and dragonflight, and like a majority of that is just cuz you could get the strong gear you wanted and put it to the test parsing bosses, plus the bosses were way easier

[random raptor]

That's fine, but most players will never clear the last 4 bosses of mythic - somewhere down the line you've forgotten that wow is a video game meant to be enjoyed

[sullen dove]

removes the challenge and grind and obv they couldnt go that extreme in a real season

but there is plenty of enjoyment out of getting 1 significant dmg boost and you are going to continue to play to see how it performs

[tidal kindle]

Diff people enjoy diff things though

You won't ever make everyone happy

[chilly fractal]

tiny orbs affix in SL went hard AF

[sullen dove]

holy chaotic motes

[random raptor]

Getting a free upgrade 10 weeks into a season isn't going to incentivize more people raiding

[sullen dove]

bring them back

[sage ridge]

I think allowing everyone to get 2 items would pretty much make everyone happy

[random raptor]

what's a chaos mote

[sullen dove]

he is unaware

[random raptor]

[tidal kindle]

Clearly not the case

As exhibited by

Right now

[sullen dove]

the only people that arent happy by that idea are strictly just gatekeepers

[sage ridge]

People who are mad that a worse player gets gear is honestly sad

[sullen dove]

and like its fine for them to want that

like its somewhat real

[chilly fractal]

Motes should just be on every fight for fun

[sullen dove]

but there are other things they still have past getting 1 shiny item that they can continue to parade and laude over other people

[tidal kindle]

Yah I'm not saying it should be like this

But sadly it currently is

[sage ridge]

99% of the community would be happy and fine with everyone getting two items

Cause the noobs get 2 items that are cool and the raiders get the items they have been fishing for

How is that not a win win

[fair swallow]

i think the new system is the healthier system for the game. the more free myth gear they give out the more people will stop playing and wait until the next season

[sage ridge]

Bro

You say that

You get the 2nd item like 4 months in

[clever belfry]

if dinars were in week 1, thatd rub a lot of people very much the wrong way

[sage ridge]

People are already quitting at that point

[sullen dove]

week 1 is crazy

yea

[random raptor]

No one is going to stop playing because they get 1-2 mythic items this far into the season

[clever belfry]

on a timeline like this idm people getting loot

[balmy shore]

send pictures!! how’s ur hike

[sage ridge]

Getting 2 items when the season is dying will not really affect people playing it or not

[sullen dove]

halfway into a season tho just fuckin open the floodgates

[clever belfry]

I've killed the bosses when they were not 0 challenge

[sullen dove]

let ppl do what they wanna do

[clever belfry]

with 6 ilvl more and 18% buff

the bosses are no longer a challenge

it doesnt matter.

[young swan]

it was rough

[sullen dove]

w anda

[young swan]

im blowing up

[sage ridge]

It is funny too since they are already giving the players such a big buff with the track upgrades

if you care about people quitting

You should care about that more than the 2 items

[young swan]

#fury message @balmy shore

[clever belfry]

Americans when they have to walk 1 (one) meter

[young swan]

real

[clever belfry]

sorry, 3ft

[sullen dove]

what da dog doin

sorry, 3.14 ft

[young swan]

he doggin

[clever belfry]

Silence American

[sullen dove]

yo it is mind boggling an inch is 2.54 centimeters

instead of 2.5

[oblique trail]

Anda Meow

[clever belfry]

bunnyzi

[sullen dove]

when i was in 5th grade i was lookin at a ruler and asked my teacher "why does 30 cm not line up with 12 inches"

world shattered

[oblique trail]

Ear be flopping

[clever belfry]

show flop

[sage ridge]

Actually though the Dinars are great for tmog

There is that

[clever belfry]

make gif

[oblique trail]

I don't have convenient gif maker

I have gayzo I suppose

[clever belfry]

get shareX...

[chilly fractal]

2000 lbs being 1 ton pisses me off more than it should

[sullen dove]

i mean thats an even number no

[clever belfry]

don't remove h a r from shareX

[chilly fractal]

more than it should

[clever belfry]

and its not even the metric ton

[oblique trail]

why not? it's just se wtf

[clever belfry]

ure missing the x buddy

[balmy shore]

WAAAAAG CUTIE

[oblique trail]

I realised in time and stopped myself

[chilly fractal]

yea not even a round number = 1 metric ton

[clever belfry]

the imp ton is 1016kg

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699343049641427096/1125439164775665735/bartekchuj.gif

[sullen dove]

motege

[chilly fractal]

MB needs to come back too for that

[sullen dove]

shadowlands mbg

peak

[chilly fractal]

yea

[sullen dove]

final rune timing was so good too

[chilly fractal]

Scars

[sullen dove]

man that trinket was so good

[clever belfry]

my opinion on SL is that it is its second letter

[chilly fractal]

oh yes Scars

[sullen dove]

after they buffed it

[sullen dove]

w scars

[clever belfry]

awful xpac

[sullen dove]

awful xpac but some insane highlights

[clever belfry]

not an enjoyer of the dress

[covert blaze]

no

[clever belfry]

but flop flop flop

[sullen dove]

mnyes

[chilly fractal]

I have it up there as an Xpack I'm fond of

[oblique trail]

I need to conquer older savage content to acquire better glamours

[clever belfry]

i stopped playing after sanctum cause it sucked so much balls

[sullen dove]

balls??

[clever belfry]

SL nearly managed to kill wow buddy...

[sullen dove]

wish it did

fuckers didnt try hard enough

[oblique trail]

One more Korthia and we're there

[clever belfry]

Where were u when Michael preach dropped wow as his main game

korthia was somehow one of the most fun experiences i had in SL

brainrot log in 6am 20 people on teamspeak

[sullen dove]

it was pretty cool doing it once

then it was the 50 times after

[clever belfry]

hippo shouting into your ears

[oblique trail]

do not the hippo

[clever belfry]

i will not the hippo

for i unfortunately do not have the gay

[chilly fractal]

looking back I'm surprised I don't hate SL for shaking up the routine like I typically hate when Blizzard does

Having to go from 1 key a week to a lot more for vault as opposed to the chest

[sullen dove]

i mean chest was terrible

once a week gamba lootbox

only m+ loot too rite

even having options is significant

[edgy widget]

not only that but also having to do PvP chest on top

[sullen dove]

dedge

[edgy widget]

now you can just kinda pick your activities

[clever belfry]

1800 box

[edgy widget]

and tbf, after the first few weeks dropping down from 8->4 M+ isn't too bad
another week or two, I'll probably be doing 1 or 0 per week for the rest of the season lol

[clever belfry]

bis chest in s2 and s3 from pvp box

✋

[feral ivy]

has there been always a 3k mount or was it 2.5k?

[chilly fractal]

2k

[sullen dove]

2.5 to 2 depending on number of dungeons

same relatives score doe

[feral ivy]

mm i never noticed till someone said they got a mount at 3k.. threw me off

[sullen dove]

o yea 3k this season is new

Hasn’t happened before

[feral ivy]

i like it at 3k gives me a goal other than new season 3k i.o ppl get inv faster

[balmy shore]

i love sofo

[feral quartz]

anyone experience whirlwind stack weak auras being weird with rampage since patch. it’s not counting the initial rampage swing before it adjusts the stack count so it’s delayed when rampaging.

[sinful spoke]

flaccid ears

[tired dragon]

ya

afenar?

[feral quartz]

nah atrocity. I talked with him too and it’s def not an aura thing because nothing changed. probably to do with the new cooldown thing they added

[junior gale]

ive felt and noticed the same

its a slight delay

[feral quartz]

ya its v weird. esp on the last stack gotta be careful not to waste a queued global

[oblique trail]

floppy ears get it right

[undone flower]

On the last remaining stack ?

[feral quartz]

nah literally any stack that you use rampage on

[undone flower]

It happens on my side / using a modified luxthos,

I didn’t pay big attention / when it happens, I thought I broke something

[young swan]

yeah it was brought up in other channels

something something to make sure if ramp gets parried it doesnt eat ur ww stack

its not a WA thing its just a change to how the actual spell works

[sudden tusk]

yeah archi talked about it where it doesnt consume a stack or something til the end of the cast incase part of it get parried or some shit

oh i didnt scroll down

oopsie

[young swan]

[rocky locust]

Noob question maybe (I think I know the answer):
The BiS list for Fury lists Lightning-Conductor's Bands as BiS belt, but a Crit/Haste belt sims better for me. Should I pick the belt from the list or the belt that sims better from my vault?
I'm pretty sure the answer is to pick what sims better, but I want to hear your opinions.
If it makes any difference, the belts are 0.1% apart, and the crit/haste belt also has leech.

[vale quartz]

Follow the path of the sim

[rocky locust]

That's what I figured. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the BiS list is more like a guide or theory. Items in each slot would only be BiS if you had all the other items on the list.

[vale quartz]

Generalized recommendation based off if you have all the pieces to maximize stats. In the end, most don't get each and every BiS piece so we need to sim to find how best to maximize performance with what we do have.

[upbeat plume]

man the new dinar changes kind of suck

[tepid cedar]

so are the dinars retroactive. say u kill sprocket. will every item from sprocket and below be available

or only sproket

[sullen dove]

i assume it can just like, check against your achievements

but idk if you havent killed an early boss ever

[tepid cedar]

wonder if its going to be retroactive period

or will need to rekill things

[sullen dove]

would assume no

but meh

[upbeat plume]

its probably linked to the same thing your vault pulls from to tell Id guess

but still sucks they nerfed them for no real reason

[young swan]

W change to give us 1 item insta

[sullen dove]

now i wont be able to get bis as soon as its acquirable

demolish

[young swan]

also 3 items

holy poggas

[upbeat plume]

that you can only get on myth track if youve already cleared those bosses

[tepid cedar]

iots nice for ppl that mythic raid lol 🙂

[young swan]

yeah it is

[upbeat plume]

I mean

[tepid cedar]

us non mythicers are fucked lol

[young swan]

its not like hc items are dogshit lol

[upbeat plume]

it dosent benefit anyone and only hurts anyone who dosent mythic raid

[young swan]

ive been using heroic Bis since w2

[upbeat plume]

its a stupid change lol

for basically a non reason

[tepid cedar]

only item that is ireeplaceable at 665 is jastor

everythiung else is replaced

[modest condor]

leave it to a wow player to get an extra free item and still complain about it

[upbeat plume]

I mean Id rather have waited and gotten them on mythic track instead of getting those items after Ive already gotten CE lol

a free item right away that was farmable for the entire season for the majority of the game is not exactly super exciting