fury

[remote bobcat]

i was shit at everything i did

[plush zephyr]

There’s people naturally and inherently better. Period. My brother sat right next to me played the same amount of StarCraft I did and he couldn’t get out of gold while meanwhile I’m getting into grandmaster. His brain doesn’t work like mine. But he can also do things like rebuild an engine and not get mad at his kids so 🤷‍♂️

[remote bobcat]

now i overperform the average in everything i do, outside of wow as well

[whole yacht]

learning efficiently is a genuine and real thing

[remote bobcat]

^

[dull cliff]

I almost failed algebra II but I aced chemisty, biology, and history, does that mean I don't know how to learn math effecienty or I'm genually not good at it?

[plush zephyr]

Why not both

[remote bobcat]

people still have strengths and weaknesses so this argument is irrelevant

[turbid bay]

maybe it was your teacher

[dull cliff]

Because by Kronzo's logic, everyone should be able to be good at everything, they just need to know how to learn.

[plush zephyr]

I failed at English and it doesn’t make sense to me. But I was in honors/Ap everything else and did essays just fine.

Idk

[whole yacht]

Thats not what he said

[remote bobcat]

i have a guy in my guild who said he puts in the most effort into learning arms warrior and he actively checks rotation of the actual good players. He didnt, not even once, check the proper opener for arms. He opened without using rend or tclap a single time as arms. Over weeks of telling us that hes putting up insane effort into learning arms, trying to be top100 of the spec.

sure call him delusional or whatever

but this is a prime example of someone not knowing how to improve

despite putting in the effort

I'd argue you're in the same spot.

You dont know how to learn efficiently

[rustic kelp]

congratz! How was ur feeling in brewery/priory due to aoe cap?

[plush zephyr]

You could also record yourself play

[dull cliff]

I've watched god knows how many hours of footage, world first players, watched guides, etc. but I can't replicate it in the slightest apparently.

[plush zephyr]

I do that and I’ll watch a vod of me doing something stupid or not efficiently

[unreal onyx]

if you are dumbing down "learning" by just looking at when ppl use CDs, that doesn't give you the background why they use it there or what the connections between abilities are

[smoky vale]

it sounds like you are trying to do all of the replication all at once

[remote bobcat]

Drop the bullshit, you dont even do the proper fury opener. There are zero mechanics during fight open.

[dull cliff]

I tried that a few times, I see my mistakes, but when I'm actually doing it, my mind kind of "blanks"

[remote bobcat]

thats just a lie

unless you're not focusing on the important things

[plush zephyr]

[obsidian brook]

Both are rough and I avoided doing 13s on them lol.

[plush zephyr]

You could watch someone like CritCake, then compare it to you and compare that way

[dull cliff]

The person you referenced said they were not either, yet somehow its bullshit when I do it?

[plush zephyr]

And see why they’re doing things a certain way and why

[remote bobcat]

i also told them to drop the bullshit

^.^

[sage ridge]

Anyone else OmniCC looking weird? All of the numbers are the same colors

[dull cliff]

I'll try more, but I'm not confident, wouldn't be the first thing I've done in my life for decades to finally give up.

[remote bobcat]

learning and pracitcing the opener is an incredibly entry-level thing you are supposed to do if you want to compete at a decently high level.

[plush zephyr]

Bro I’ll drive to your house and give you a hug god damn

[dull cliff]

I don't want to compete, I just don't want to hold others back.

[plush zephyr]

Makin me sad dog

[remote bobcat]

getting close to finishing 8/8 hc is competing.

[dull cliff]

I'll just be honest, you would by far from the first.

[remote bobcat]

just not on a very high level

[dull cliff]

Not for me, its a requirement to make people like me, but I won't go into my personal issues.

[remote bobcat]

what are you even saying

you're just here to vent, arent you?

[dull cliff]

I wasn't orginally then it lead to people telling me to try harder and I can improve, and it veered a direction I didn't want to go mentally.

[whole yacht]

dawg. learning the wrong way is a real possibility

you said you watch people play countless times

maybe you cant learn by watching

i cant

[remote bobcat]

We are not sugarcoating when we say that you need to learn how to learn efficiently

[whole yacht]

watching someone play warrior, does literally nothing for my knowledge.

[remote bobcat]

^

same

[turbid bay]

you are spending a lot of time on here chatting to you could be spending time hitting the dummy

^^^

[past pivot]

Relax. It’s a game. If you feel you’re not living up to expectations, then look again. Maybe it’s a different class or spec that clicks. Maybe it’s lower the level of difficulty. Maybe it’s just to keep trying. But always remember it’s just a game.

[turbid bay]

yeah im the same watching someone play something does nothing i need all the information the visual graphics

not someone pressing buttons that mean nothing to me

[remote bobcat]

Zal you are putting effort into a method that isn't working out for you. You aren't incapable at learning. Change your methods. Learn how to learn.

We arent saying that method is objectively bad

we are saying its not working for you specifically

[dull cliff]

Just saying you need to do something, never has had a meaning to me. Its the equivalent to someone telling you to just be better without any actually details of how to do that.

[remote bobcat]

Well

[turbid bay]

we gave you suggestions

[remote bobcat]

The devil is in the details.

You still dont know the proper opener

by heart

[dull cliff]

"You need to figure out how to learn more effeciently" this means literally nothing to me.

[remote bobcat]

Aight zal

heres what you need to do

genuinely

[whole yacht]

weve explained that learning efficiently is finding the method of learning that best suites you

what more do you need

what you are doing does not sit with you obviousuly.

[dull cliff]

I do from last season, trying to break myself of it. I'm very much use to the potion > offensive CDs > long cooldown large damage skills > go into rotation.

[whole yacht]

obviously.

so change what youre doing

[unreal onyx]

lowkey, if I watch PoVs of players, that confuses me more than it helps

[dull cliff]

I think its a holdover from prot where you combo like 3 cooldowns together to maximize damage and threat.

[unreal onyx]

but fury is just basically send whatever you have available

[sage ridge]

Watching good players play is great if you know what you're looking at

[unreal onyx]

and then go by prio

[dull cliff]

Which I do, but apparently that's inccorect in the current opener.

[whole yacht]

i know what im looking at, and it still does nothing for me

[dull cliff]

Since I'm not rampaging first.

[unreal onyx]

well opener is reck-charge-ramp-avatar-bladestorm

you need ramp 100%

to be enraged

[turbid bay]

but you wouldnt just charge into a pack without shield block?

[unreal onyx]

enrage is the most important buff for fury

[turbid bay]

its no different to not getting enrage up first and foremost

shield block is the same

[dull cliff]

I usually do it with shield wall depending on the pack in say m+ depending on what is in it.

[turbid bay]

that is why as prot usually after you charge shield charge is your first gcd

[dull cliff]

I feel like if you do a hyper specific opener in m+ every pull you're not really "thinking"

[remote bobcat]

@dull cliff
opener:
look up the proper opener on literally any guide website or top parses
talent build:
look up top parsing talents for every individual raidfight. You ran pure ST for the entire raid. Don't do that. If you dont know how to look them up, we will teach you.
rotation:
compare what you are doing rotationally with what other fury warriors are doing. dont watch fuckin videos on it, go into the cast timeline of logs. That will help you a lot.
cooldown timings:
go into the cast timeline or into the actual replay tool of top parsing logs. they will most likely use their cooldowns properly by the sheer nature of them being top parsers. If you ever miss information like "why is this one warrior not using avatar on pull during cauldron of carnage?" then you might be able to find an answer by asking us.

This is a surefire way of learning at least enough to where you get to blue/purple logs.

[sage ridge]

If you have all CDs up you are usually going to do the same thing

[remote bobcat]

unless, of course, you end up dropping uptime again

[dull cliff]

There are times where shield block is inconsequential due to being a lot of casters meaning i need spell block and spell reflection much more than block.

[sage ridge]

Only difference is in combat you usually already have enrage up

[turbid bay]

they go hand in hand

[remote bobcat]

spell block uses your shield block.

[turbid bay]

you never drop shield block

and spell block uses your shield block

for magic

[dull cliff]

Yes but I don't charge > shield block > spell block every pull if i did i may take 2-3 spell hits to the face.

because that's multiple GCDs of time.

[remote bobcat]

it is not

its one gcd

charge.

is charge even a gcd?

[turbid bay]

huh they are all on the ogcd

[remote bobcat]

lol

[young swan]

no

[turbid bay]

charge spell block shield block

all ogcd

[dull cliff]

if you charge, shield block, spell block

you have no threat on anything

[turbid bay]

you shield charge

[dull cliff]

and they run at the dps

[young swan]

those dont occupy gcds tho

they are just buttons u press

[remote bobcat]

they have zero GCD impact

[dull cliff]

if you can press 3 buttons at one time

[turbid bay]

your shield charge will gen lots of threat its a aoe

[dull cliff]

you all are mutants

[remote bobcat]

sure can

[young swan]

i mean u can press buttons while u charge also

[remote bobcat]

^

[young swan]

u have like a second

[severe scaffold]

hi, is this discord for wow sod?

[turbid bay]

i mean again i practiced the button pressing so its comfy to hit all those buttons

i do the prot opener

[young swan]

no

[turbid bay]

so hitting those 3 buttons is comfy

[remote bobcat]

also no reason to spell block while charging into packs, casts generally take time to go through

[turbid bay]

^

just throw on the gcd after

[dull cliff]

Idk, I've just blue and purple parses at times on prot, meanwhile I can't get above gray on fury. Its frustrating, makes me feel like garbage. That is basically where this all originated from.

[remote bobcat]

imma be real if you cant press multiple non-gcd buttons at the same time while pressing a gcd then you might just have insanely dogshit keybinds.

[plush zephyr]

doing tier 11 delves in 9 mins lessgo lmao

[turbid bay]

yeah i change my keybinds if i can make them work

[sage ridge]

Your opener for Fury should be like Reck > Charge > Avatar and Trinket during charge > Rampage > Roar > BS

[remote bobcat]

no one expects you to press smth like shift-1 & R & G & ctrl 2 at the same time, but if its Shift Q & Shift W & Shift E while charging with whatever ur charge button is then its clearly very easy.

[young swan]

theres a lot of openers u can do for fury and it almost doesnt matter at all

[remote bobcat]

wrong

[turbid bay]

rampage needs to be up first

[dull cliff]

Ok so I just hopped in game to test, idk how you all are using shield block during charge, I have no rage to do that.

[remote bobcat]

not the theoretically optimal one at least

[plush zephyr]

tf is this cracked keystone quest lol

[remote bobcat]

what u described is slightly behind

[sage ridge]

What is more optimal?

[turbid bay]

you don't shield block during charge, you shield charge

[dull cliff]

doesn't change it

they both generate 20

[turbid bay]

it does

[dull cliff]

block is 30

[turbid bay]

it gives you a shield block

its a talent

called bulwark

[remote bobcat]

reck > charge > ava + trink > rampage > bs > raging blow > raging blow > (raging blow if u get resets) > rampage > roar

[dull cliff]

~_~ you said use shield block during charge.

Whatever

I'm tired.

[sage ridge]

Would it not be more optimal to just get roar on cd quicker

[remote bobcat]

Ava gives 10 rage

you can charge + shield charge at the same time as well

technically

[whole yacht]

i do reck + ava > charge > rb > ramp > roar > bs

[sage ridge]

I think getting roar on cd is more important there

It is one gcd

[remote bobcat]

literally isnt

the button sucks

we take zero roar nodes

thumb

[dull cliff]

I keep diverting this into prot discussion, I'm sorry.

[turbid bay]

the whole point of the conversation is that shield block and enrage are similar things for the specs

[dull cliff]

I'll just try more, but I'm about to give up.

Embarassing myself infront of my friends makes me want to crawl into a hole somewhere.

[sage ridge]

What exactly do you not understand about Fury?

[dull cliff]

Apparently everything. Practicing on dummy hasn't helped, I'm doing like 60% of my sim, and people are just telling me I need to learn how to learn.

But I'm done.

[remote bobcat]

i gave u a recipe of what to do

[fickle cedar]

there's a pretty good and simple video by madox if you check his yt channel about fury

[remote bobcat]

lemme post it again

opener:
look up the proper opener on literally any guide website or top parses
talent build:
look up top parsing talents for every individual raidfight. You ran pure ST for the entire raid. Don't do that. If you dont know how to look them up, we will teach you.
rotation:
compare what you are doing rotationally with what other fury warriors are doing. dont watch fuckin videos on it, go into the cast timeline of logs. That will help you a lot.
cooldown timings:
go into the cast timeline or into the actual replay tool of top parsing logs. they will most likely use their cooldowns properly by the sheer nature of them being top parsers. If you ever miss information like "why is this one warrior not using avatar on pull during cauldron of carnage?" then you might be able to find an answer by asking us.

This is a surefire way of learning at least enough to where you get to blue/purple logs.

unless you drop uptime

[dull cliff]

The whole not switching specs thing I literally just forgot half the time.

I'm not gonna hide it, I simply forgot.

[past pivot]

Get drunk or stoned and face roll. Enjoy the game. Forget about parses and other “measurements” and enjoy yourself.

[dull cliff]

My enjoyment is directly tied to what others think of me which is an insane double edged sword.

[full valve]

[dull cliff]

Like I said, I don't want to go into it.

[sage ridge]

Do your friends hate you or something because you parse low?

[past pivot]

Then you need counseling because that’s not the game. That’s some deep rooted issue that will impact all of your life. Not just a silly game.

[remote bobcat]

you kept the same identical talent setup from the 2nd boss all the way until you got benched on mugzee.

[dull cliff]

No, but when people's moods and how they speak to me changes due to my performance, I can tell.

[remote bobcat]

Half the time?

really man?

[full valve]

Didnt ask for explanation... im just reacting accordingly

[dull cliff]

Welcome to the past 17 years of my life.

[dull cliff]

Yea, doesn't change the fact that I just forgot.

[remote bobcat]

did you not catch yourself asking yourself why tf you ended up forgetting on every single boss ?

[turbid bay]

just seems its like experience ready check goes out i double check my spec

[remote bobcat]

seems oyu dont know how to self reflect during pulls

[dull cliff]

After the raid I did, I was too busy reading boss journal, and watching fights trying to not be a burden on the group. But, as a result I held the group back.

[remote bobcat]

ah you've never done normal

[dull cliff]

We bounced from boss to boss with no down time besides trash obviously because they have been clearing heroic I was just a new guy joining weeks late into the season.

[remote bobcat]

you went straight into heroic

[dull cliff]

I have.

[remote bobcat]

then you know fights ?

[dull cliff]

The raid is basically completable with my brain off on normal. I've also done it as tank only.

[sage ridge]

I mean if you are taking in the boss mechanics at the same time it will affect your damage

[dull cliff]

So most of the mechanics I was dealing with as DPS basically never was something I had to do as tank.

[sage ridge]

I do the raid with some friends on normal that are very casual and they do a lot better a month in vs the first few times

[remote bobcat]

his problem isnt learning mechanics while fighting, its learning mechanics while fighting + having zero muscle memory in playing fury + having no muscle memory in how to keep uptime

[past pivot]

Don’t think I’ve ever seen this channel go for long without a “is thane/slayer ok for Xx” or: how good is Signet after all? 😎

[remote bobcat]

he has multi-second holes in his casts

[remote bobcat]

fk signet

dogshit ass trinket

[dull cliff]

I blame playing prot almost exclusively for 15 years.

You can't not have uptime on a tank

[sage ridge]

It honestly sounds like he just needs more time on the spec

[dull cliff]

because you're always in range.

[remote bobcat]

He also has tanking issues

so its like

[dull cliff]

except for pyro and gold knuckle

[remote bobcat]

yk

[dull cliff]

I'm not having tanking issues.

[remote bobcat]

You said people complain when you tank

[dull cliff]

I rarely die, its people complaining about me not doing it the way they think it should be.

[remote bobcat]

yea

thats a tanking issue

[unreal onyx]

like what

aggro, positioning or dmg

[dull cliff]

Warlocks wanting to skip the miniboss for the arena boss (i forget his name)

even though the raider.io route I use to get in practice tells me not to

[turbid bay]

in dfc?

[dull cliff]

theater

[turbid bay]

o

[remote bobcat]

you cant read this chat and say you dont have tanking issues man

[unreal onyx]

yea in front of arena boss

[dull cliff]

but I don't want to skip, they complain.

[sage ridge]

What key levels do you do?

[fickle cedar]

you always skip that one

[dull cliff]

7-19s

10*

[sage ridge]

Who cares if they don't like your route then

[unreal onyx]

I mean, you can play it or not

in 7s-10s it literally doesn't matter

[sage ridge]

If you are doing 7-10 as long as you have count and are in time

It does not matter at all

[unreal onyx]

but tank is making routes

dps follow

[past pivot]

I dunno. Macro it with BIS and forget about it. It’s Eye that’s overrated imo. Keeping stacks up. Fits that very situational trinket mode

[full valve]

skipping that miniboss is hella situational is like the floodgate fish lol

[remote bobcat]

i run mechano core amp, i dont use that garbo

kekW

[dull cliff]

Because I don't like people being passive agressive or blaming me for something that we would have been fine timing, but I tried to be open to different better routes.

[turbid bay]

the 2 min cd on signet sucks

[dull cliff]

Come to find, we end up not timing the key because we missed 5%

[turbid bay]

just doesnt align with avatar

[dull cliff]

AKA the miniboss

[full valve]

ive done ToP 10 without skipping the first pack or the miniboss, u can time it just fine

[smoky vale]

or you can just pull more in other wings?

[fickle cedar]

not a massive deal tho it will align with reck otherwise since we use anger management

[dull cliff]

Yea, I do it all the time. But, I decided to say sure lets skip.

[remote bobcat]

"come to find" speaks a thousand words here fellas

[past pivot]

You know. It could be the people you play with. Maybe you need to find ones who accept you for you.

[turbid bay]

not as much for fury more for arms

[fickle cedar]

oh yeah i dont know about arms

[dull cliff]

Its just a phrase I've always used, idk what to tell you.

[turbid bay]

as im playing fury in raid arms m+

[sage ridge]

If they want to skip and you don't know where to pick up extra count just say that and tell them you can look into it after the key

[dull cliff]

I try, but a lot of my problems come from the times I play.

[remote bobcat]

It's indicative of you not thinking about the consequences of skipping.

You "find out" you're missing %

[dull cliff]

I do, but maybe they knew something I don't.

I was thinking we're gonna be short %, but I went with it anyway.

[smoky vale]

Yeah that if you skip something earlier you have to pull more later

[sage ridge]

If you knew you would be low on count why wouldn't you get extra somewhere else or just pull it

[turbid bay]

just study up next time and pick it up the count in the ghost wing

[dull cliff]

I don't know everything, never claimed to, its why I'm here anyway to learn.

[turbid bay]

take it as a learning experience no big deal

[dull cliff]

I did, never skipped it since then.

[full valve]

this

[remote bobcat]

I'm genuinely curious what information you actively try to retain while watching high-level gameplay videos that you claimed you regularly watch

[dull cliff]

Its just an example of what I deal with at like 10AM eastern time keys.

[dull cliff]

Positioning, when they focus on boss damage and not adds, waiting for certain CDs, etc. not the core rotation because its near impossible to follow that for a real length of time.

[remote bobcat]

you always focus adds wdym

or rather, you always focus on cleaving adds while having the option to*

[turbid bay]

honestly waiting for certain cds is usually a 85+ parse optimisation

and its not super needed

[dull cliff]

Yea, there are some fights like mugzee I've seen where you don't instantly hard swap to the copter till the tanks move the boss to it a little to be in cleave range.

[remote bobcat]

yea but only given proper uptime, which he struggles a lot with

[turbid bay]

yeh

[full valve]

I mean i would advise, instead of memorizing the routes, understanding why theyre "the most optimized" so u can adapt when situation requires it, not every key goes as planned

[remote bobcat]

you want to deal more dmg. A better parse. You don't swap one target to one singular other target. you dont do that. you stay on the same main target unless you literally cant or it's not worth doing (e.g. some gallywix spawn locations where the boss jumps away)

[dull cliff]

That's the thing, its a weird issue with me, I think of things like when to combo cooldowns and to hold them if my rage usage will make avatar line up due to anger management. But doing the basic uptime rotation I struggle with it. I guess I am just overthinking it?

[turbid bay]

its better to press something then nothing at all

[remote bobcat]

you're not overthinking it. You're thinking of good stuff then. We all think about that. You just dont have the muscle memory to back the thinking process up yet so you should, for now atleast, think more about staying on target

[turbid bay]

comboing cooldowns doesnt matter that much you won't hold bladestorm for it a large majority of the time

[dull cliff]

The times I've played WoW the most was when that was the big thing to do.

They literally put GCDs on them in legion because people were doing it too much.

[turbid bay]

banking cds for adds or important stuff coming up soon is good thoughts, but if your grey parsing I wouldnt think about this

[sage ridge]

Yeah if I was you I would just send your cds when you get them for the most part and once you get more comfortable start optimizing them

[dull cliff]

Its always been part of how I am, instead of just "hitting my buttons" my mind is like, "well if I hold this for 2 GCDs I can line up reck and avatar with my signet"

[turbid bay]

its on and off the thing to do because we are running anger management you are hurting yourself banking cds

anger management is the reason you need to send cds on cd

or your crippling yourself

[dull cliff]

Complex things have always been much much easier than pressing 1234

[plush zephyr]

Fury is very much so 1234 to me

[remote bobcat]

if you stay on the same target ignoring everything else while also spamming cds on cooldown while opening with the proper opener then you'll get at least 60-90 parses depending on the fight and your ilvl.

[dull cliff]

probably explains why I am so bad at it.

[turbid bay]

kron is right

[remote bobcat]

fury very much isnt 1234

lol

[dull cliff]

I do well on affliction lock as well, all about keeping dots rolling and lining up burst windows

[turbid bay]

you can mindlessly press your cds and buttons this tier and you will be fine

[remote bobcat]

did yall forget we have a priority list of like 13 conditionals?

[sage ridge]

Outside of Execute everything is pretty staright forward

[plush zephyr]

I know lmao. That’s kinda how I do every class, a numbered rotation in my head

[sage ridge]

But I have played Warrior for a while now

So maybe that is why

[dull cliff]

This conversation has brought up something I have noticed, specs people consider more "compex" I feel more comfortable playing, a lot of maintenance I do well with. But, on the fly play with procs? I suck at.

[remote bobcat]

execute has 3 different conditionals, bloodthirst has multiple conditionals that condense into 2: boss hp and BT crit %, else press raging blow during rotation

its not just 1234

[full valve]

Fury is high apm, no rotation, just priority

[remote bobcat]

type shii

[fickle cedar]

shii

[turbid bay]

i mean warrior isn't complex when you break it down

i mean you play prot

and its higher apm then fury

soo

[remote bobcat]

prot is higher apm during opener

[dull cliff]

The main reason I play fury and prot is because I like to tank and my other options I enjoy don't have a tank spec.

[sage ridge]

The fury conditionals are pretty easy if you use a weakaura

To track the stuff for you

But I would say Slayer is definitely not just the zug zug spec everyone makes it seem to be

[remote bobcat]

this is true

weakauras make fury a lot easier

[dull cliff]

I hate that you need a WA to actually directly see the crit rate of your bloodthirst with stacks.

[fickle cedar]

i mean you can do the math but oh well

[turbid bay]

i mean you could math it but eh

fuck that

[fickle cedar]

got you

[dull cliff]

sometimes I need 3 stacks, sometimes I need 4 depending on trinkets.

[remote bobcat]

i stopped tracking BT crit % myself

I accepted the marginal decrease in performance

[fickle cedar]

i just use luxthos tbh

[dull cliff]

and there are like 30 buffs running across the top right of my screen in raid.

[remote bobcat]

i know the crit % by heart based on my last few gcds

[remote bobcat]

yea thats garbage ngl

[full valve]

same here

[dull cliff]

so tracking any crit bonuses i have is..difficult.

[fickle cedar]

if you run pacemaker its jumping up and down

[remote bobcat]

im a certified luxthos hater

[sage ridge]

Luxthos works fine but he does put stuff in that doesn't need to be tracked

[safe pecan]

Looking at starting a new alt with the leveling patch, Some one convince me to not play a fury warrior (and for sure convince me to not go drakthyr)

[fickle cedar]

luxthos one is pretty customizable so i always change couple of things, works pretty well

[remote bobcat]

Fury is hardcapped 5 targets you will literally cry trying to gear your character

[dull cliff]

I would make my own WA, but trying to figure out how to navigate it feels impossible to me.

[fickle cedar]

if you goal is to push m+ forget it this season

[sage ridge]

Then don't

There is so many weakaura packs to choose from

That are already made for you

[remote bobcat]

he puts in everything which is exactly why i dislike his weakaura packs. It's called information overload, prevents players who dont understand a spec to focus on the wrong things

[sage ridge]

You're correct on that. Whenever I update his packs I delete shit out

[fickle cedar]

but thats why you can remove what you want, its so easy to work with

[full valve]

turn what u dont need off

[safe pecan]

already hit 2k on the shadow priest. Just something to level to have sititng for next patch

[turbid bay]

i couldn't be bothered altering a weak aura too much effort they are good enough and get the job done

[remote bobcat]

did you two not read what i said?

new players to specs dont know what the ydont need

you nutcases

[dull cliff]

I tried, and when I went to turn off stuff I don't want I couldn't figure out how to, its a list of like 50 things saying glow this, text that. I have no idea.

[full valve]

yeah, u are complaining about bloat of information on something that is highly customizable

[fickle cedar]

new players dont usually use weak auras but i understand your point

[dull cliff]

People also seem to have this weird perspective that WA is the most easily usable thing in existance

Its not for new people.

[remote bobcat]

im complaining cuz all the garbo is enabled by default instead of adding non-relevant info as never-loaded auras

[proper onyx]

just make your own weakauras to track the things you want. it really isn't that hard, you can go a long way with the "premade" auras for most things you want to track, and info will be where you want it to be

like you literally click a button, select the list of class buffs/abilities from a list that you want pick the sizes and they snap together

[dull cliff]

I tried to make a decent sized recklessness button that glows when it comes off cooldown, tried for an hour and still couldn't figure it out, all I managed to do was make it blue when not off cooldown.

[wheat hamlet]

this question may have been answered already but how do you guys deal with the Circlet? swapping between arms/fury/prot for keys and sometimes based on my alchemical, the circlet will buff Mastery or Haste. sometimes ill take the ring off and alchemical buff to 'normalize' the ring forcing it to buff mastery. Wondering how much this impacts a sim for example

[remote bobcat]

bro thats a pre-set you didnt manage to make

[full valve]

having to maintain all the weakauras up to rotational standards of every single class in the game, for free, is nuts lmao, just add the current content and let ppl pick what they dont need

[sage ridge]

The main thing with Luxthos is to make the Utility bar only show things on cd

[remote bobcat]

marginal difference, dont think about it. I got a better ring setup so i dont use it anymore

[dull cliff]

? I went into it did the "tutorial" easy way to make a WA, it made it fine, but when I wanted it to do something specific i I couldn't do it.

[full valve]

blizzard did that with the CD manager and u cant add anything to it

[remote bobcat]

...dont use spec weakauras from people who dont actively play the spec on a high level

[wheat hamlet]

@remote bobcat for sure thnx

[remote bobcat]

if i wasnt using my own self-created UI then i'd only ever take a weakaura pack from a fury/arms main depending on the spec

I would never even dare to touch anything created by someone like..idk fragnance? luxthos?

seems like pure self-sabotage to me

[proper onyx]

premade weakauras, cooldowns, recklessness, always show. go to conditions, duplicate condition 2. change true to false on the new condition, change dropdown from color to glow 1, check the box for on

[sage ridge]

I just use luxthos to have a consistent look across all my characters but they do have things you don't need to see that you may not realise if you're new to the spec

[remote bobcat]

but at the end of the day, making your own weakauras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using premade

[proper onyx]

100%

[turbid bay]

eh fuck that too much effort

[remote bobcat]

10mins

[full valve]

i am.. the high level player... picking the information that i need and removing the one i dont....?

[turbid bay]

na gotta learn how to use the thing

all the spell codes

[plush zephyr]

They aren’t new tho

[proper onyx]

what spell codes

[dull cliff]

No wonder I never figured it out, I have no way to know I would have to duplicate a specific condition.

[remote bobcat]

you dont need to learn spell ids half the time

putting in the name will auto input the spell id

[sage ridge]

I think making your own weakauras is a lot harder than just taking a pack and deleting what you don't need

[proper onyx]

well you want a pretty specific thing to make it only glow on a condition. it would be much easier to make it glow if you only want the weakaura to appear when its off cd, but you are actually describing a complicated version of a simple tracker

[sage ridge]

Seems weird to say not use luxthos cause it isn't friendly then to recommend making them yourself

[remote bobcat]

its only harder if you never had anyone explain you how to use the weakauras addon

tbh

[dull cliff]

I just wanted it to always be on my screen, but when it came off cooldown to glow so I would notice it, that doesn't seem complicated to me.

[sage ridge]

Yeah but you still need to know about your spec on a certain level to make useful was outside of your main cds

If you know that much you could easily take luxthos and just delete what you don't need

Makes no difference

But I do agree he clearly doesn't play all the specs

[remote bobcat]

lemme tell you the difference

[dull cliff]

The fact that I have to go into 2 different tabs and replicate conditions and such just to make something glow when its cooldown ends is just dumb.

[sage ridge]

Like Fury base line tracks the tier set procs which is pretty much bloat

[proper onyx]

it's not "complicated" in the sense that it is difficult to do, it's complicated in the sense that you are combining two functions into one

[turbid bay]

no one does cause i have to download a seperate WA to track crit on bt

[remote bobcat]

if you make your own you actually put in the effort into learning whats required, you're forced to do it

just grabbing a WA pack doesnt do that necessarily

some people put in the effort, but most people just roll with it

sadly.

[proper onyx]

regardless if you've made any weakauras before it takes 1m to make a new one, and learning it all takes maybe a couple hours of creating all the weakauras you want at the current moment

[dull cliff]

I haven't though, most of the options to make something are meaningless to me. I'm trying to learn how to improve which also means making WA to make my blind ass notice something coming off cooldown.

[proper onyx]

you know how people told you in school that taking notes helped you remember the information better? that's what making a weakaura is with paying attention to a buff/cd

[remote bobcat]

^

[fickle cedar]

I do recommend removing your bars and only using WAs below your character, keeps your eyes centered into the fight and your important spells

[turbid bay]

yeah 100%

it only needs to be a few buttons

[dull cliff]

I guess I'm just describing it weird. With no real help, I'm just trying to figure this out on my own and most of these tabs for weak auras without context mean nothing to me.

[turbid bay]

most WA go overboard

[dull cliff]

I would think to make a WA glow I would do something in the trigger tab

AKA the cooldown ending triggers the glow

but apparently not?

[turbid bay]

think artinz said how to do it above

to make it glow

[proper onyx]

trigger is whether the weakaura is active or not at all

[dull cliff]

I'm just going through my thought process of how I was trying to do it.

[proper onyx]

conditions are when you want it to do different things at different times/conditions

[snow vapor]

these two are like 98% of what you need to make a button that glows when above certain stacks

[plush zephyr]

Orrrr they could use bartender and move their bars to where a WA would be and make them a tad smaller. Less daunting than a WA pack imo

[proper onyx]

want it to go grey when its on cd? condition. want it to glow at a certain time, defensive glow when hp low etc? conditions

[dull cliff]

I guess in context that makes more sense.

[fickle cedar]

use the templates btw, they're quite useful

[dense fulcrum]

Stupid question, do u change citrine in raid?

[proper onyx]

using the templates and exploring their conditions is a great way to learn how to actually make weakauras

[turbid bay]

some people like the bite sound in their ear when they hit 3 marked for execution stacks

[dull cliff]

If you mean WA packages they really aren't to me. Its just hotbar buttons not tied to hotbars on a basic level, that doesn't help me.

[fickle cedar]

i got the kaching

[snow vapor]

Like Artinz has been saying, the templates showcase the basic use-cases and actually learning how it works is not that much harder than looking at it. Just takes time.

[remote bobcat]

i got the bam

[fickle cedar]

no i mean the ones that appear when you press create weak aura, you get icon, bar etc..

[turbid bay]

haha

[dull cliff]

Ah, yea it made the basic WA fine, when I tried to do any customization except size is where I ran into issues.

[fickle cedar]

you dont have to, its pretty set for fury rn

[remote bobcat]

thunderlods used to sim higher than stormbringer for me - before i replaced the ring at least

[fickle cedar]

for me early patch it was skipper, then windsinger started simming higher

[dull cliff]

I give up, I keep doing openers in this dummy and coming here while it cools down. I keep pressing charge > reck >avatar > bladestorm I can't stop myself.

[remote bobcat]

well duh, skipper got nerfed

it was like that for everyone

[fickle cedar]

no i mean it was still better after the nerf

[remote bobcat]

happens ig

[sage ridge]

Just click reck before charge then you are fine

[remote bobcat]

the very first button press is reck, not charge

lol

come on

man

[warm crag]

just use a reck ava charge macro or

[snow vapor]

Why not just macro your way out of it

#showtooltip Charge
/cast Recklessness
/cast Charge
/cast Avatar

[fickle cedar]

just slow it down to not make mistakes, dont press them too fast, then the more you practice the faster it becomes

[dull cliff]

I thought they didn't revert the cooldown thing for warriors

they did

[sage ridge]

I wouldn't macro it all together

I feel like you learn to play better without macros like that

[dull cliff]

I usually press charge, and as I reach the target I hit reck

[sage ridge]

Yeah just click reck then charge

[turbid bay]

no it needs to be before charge

[snow vapor]

this is true but if you check the history this is a.... difficult case

[turbid bay]

cause you need the 80 rage to insta rampage

[remote bobcat]

this is, unfortunately, objectively bad

[dull cliff]

See I keep screwing that up too.

[sage ridge]

Just practice the first 2 buttons thne

Literally do reck charge

wait for them again

and do it again

[dull cliff]

I never hit rampage first, its usually always the buffs then roar bladestorm then i go into the whole thing.

[sage ridge]

Until it just becomes natural

[remote bobcat]

i dont think you have a learning disability, if you want to stop sucking then actually practice it no?

[dull cliff]

and I can't break myself of it and it makes me feel stupid

[snow vapor]

oh my

[turbid bay]

that hurting your dps you need rampage first

that hurts alot

[dull cliff]

I've been doing this for almost 2 hours now and I still can't do it right.

[turbid bay]

keep practicing then only way

[sage ridge]

I honestly don't get how you cannot reck before charge after 2 hours

[turbid bay]

you could macro ava and reck together

[remote bobcat]

stop saying that dumb shit saying you feel stupid who fuckign cares about that man. You're here trying to break an outdated habit of yours. Obviously that shit takes time. Suck it up and practice. That's what we all do every time something core to our gameplay changes.

[dull cliff]

I do, because its me making the stupid god damn mistake every time.

[proper onyx]

also look at the opener again before each pull to reinforce the correct order

[turbid bay]

if your grey parsing just macro ava and reck together

[sage ridge]

It's not that big of a deal if you make a mistake. You're literally just hitting dummies

[turbid bay]

press both before charge

[summer quail]

if you grey parse and didnt die you have bigger problems than your opener

[dull cliff]

If I can't do it to a dummy, I'm not gonna be able to do it during a fight that actually matters.

[sage ridge]

True but the entire point of hitting a dummy is to get used to the proper way to play. You're going to make mistakes there until you get used to it

[turbid bay]

its a start to break bad habits

[remote bobcat]

bro when i first learned arms i was making opener mistakes for like 30 minutes before i got the opener correct at least 3 times in a row

[turbid bay]

cause him hitting his cds before rampaging is bad

[remote bobcat]

shit man

quit yapping and focus up

lock tf in

[turbid bay]

and i was the same learning arms in m+ this season

i got that shit down

[dull cliff]

I just...I give up. Thanks for all the trying but I'm done.

[turbid bay]

and dont fuck up anymore

[snow vapor]

also saying out loud what you are meant to do helps. Many wow players play silently and that hurts you in situations like this

[remote bobcat]

giving up before trying is cowardly

dont say u tried

cuz u didnt

you attempted

you didnt try

aint tzhe same

[proper onyx]

my mother would like you

[remote bobcat]

bro getting the arms opener aoe sequence down took me a full week

[sage ridge]

Maybe he just needs to log off and try again tomorrow

[remote bobcat]

like integrating it into muscle memory

[sage ridge]

Sounds like right now isn't the best time for him to be playing

[turbid bay]

yeah i was like ravager first then warbringer

then slam cleave

[sage ridge]

Arms feels really clunky

Took me a bit to get used to this season as well

[remote bobcat]

arms opener prio is very counter-intuitive imo

[turbid bay]

its ok honestly cleaves range can shuve it

that thing is such a small aoe and cone\

[proper onyx]

both openers are counterintuitive

[turbid bay]

and if mobs aint grouped

[remote bobcat]

both? which other one?

[turbid bay]

damage feels eh

[remote bobcat]

fury?

[proper onyx]

yeah

[remote bobcat]

fury is completely intuitive to me

[proper onyx]

obviously it makes sense but using cds prepull is definitely not inuitive

[sage ridge]

It kinda is

[remote bobcat]

slaughting strikes + brutal finish > immediate rampage is like the only thing you need to understand

[sage ridge]

Reck before charge makes logical sense

[turbid bay]

i like fury more this season anger management is fun

[remote bobcat]

reck before charge is very intuitive

because rampage is our only guaranteed way of enraging

[proper onyx]

intuitive and logical are not necessarily the same thing lol

[turbid bay]

i loved running anger management on brood

[sage ridge]

I mean that it makes sense to do

[remote bobcat]

my intuition is based on assumed logic

so liek

yea

[proper onyx]

so... how is the arms one not intuitive then but fury is

[remote bobcat]

Again

my assumed logical thought is

i wanna rampage

to enrage

for bladestorm

[turbid bay]

arms has a decent amount of build up

[remote bobcat]

and since im not running any thunderous roar capstones, i dont want to use it early on in the opener

[turbid bay]

a little more then fury before you can blast

[remote bobcat]

turns out

thats exactly the case

[turbid bay]

the first pull on floodgate is annoying

im sitting there trying to min max cleave and aoes everywhere

[sage ridge]

Arms is fun until I have to click Demolish

I hate that ability

[turbid bay]

honestly im the same

i dont like demo

thats just me

[remote bobcat]

regardless, im hopping off now lads

[sage ridge]

I don't think it is just you

The actual usage of Demolish is horrible

The damage and building the stacks for it is fun

[remote bobcat]

zal, if ur still reading this chat, get someone to supervise you, i think it will help

[turbid bay]

it roots you anything moves out of melee range it cancels the most important part of the skill

[remote bobcat]

gn boys

[sage ridge]

Good night

[turbid bay]

catchya man

[sage ridge]

It is horrible in a pug

Tanks move so much

[turbid bay]

tank is just like i move the mob here now... guess my demo cancels

fuck

[sage ridge]

It also has a short range

So if things aren't stacked you lose a lot of dps

[turbid bay]

same gripe with cleave

at least with fury aoe it feels decenly big

[sage ridge]

Warrior seriously needs some QOL

Especially Arms

[turbid bay]

like i love vdh in my groups

cause they group that shit

or bdk

[warm crag]

isnt cleave roughly the same aoe as cleaved st abilities just a 180° cone

[turbid bay]

yeah but thats the thing

[sage ridge]

I think it's a semi cricle not a cone

[turbid bay]

if it isn't tightly stacked

its not hitting everything

[warm crag]

a 180° cone is a semi circle and terrible wording

[turbid bay]

its like a 90 degree cone

i did some testing

its not a full semi circle

but idk man i just dont like cleave or demo

[sage ridge]

Yeah a 180° cone is that but it's not really the shape of a cone so its confusing lol

[turbid bay]

everything else is ok

[warm crag]

reasonable

[turbid bay]

and once ravager goes down

those cleaves are the ones that matter

[sage ridge]

I mean the first pull in DFC is so bad

[turbid bay]

yep

im on the meta train i like vdh tanks

[sage ridge]

I play a ret alt from time to time and playing that then switching to Arms is horrible

[warm crag]

idk i like the positional challenge

[turbid bay]

dude i been messing on ret

i mean its fun

[warm crag]

but it can be finnicky ye

[turbid bay]

but its impossible sometimes

to fully maximise

[sage ridge]

Yeah it can be fun but when you just can't hit 2-3 targets it sucks

[turbid bay]

and thats just frustrating a lil bit

[sage ridge]

Cleave doesn't really bother me that much though it is Demolish

[turbid bay]

i play prot as well demo isnt so bad there

cause the mobs wont move

but when the pulls do go well it feels nice seeing the numbers

[sage ridge]

They should just increase the range and make you immune to all movement

That would instantly make a huge difference

[turbid bay]

yea just make it ret range after you start casting

like fine for it to be a melee cast but dont stop until ret range

or root or stun the mob or something

[sage ridge]

There is a lot of ways they could go about making it better

Doubt they do tho

Seems they don't give a shit about warr right now

[turbid bay]

just the ravager window is just so important on the spec atm

they need to dump target cap

they tried something it didnt work

change it

[sage ridge]

The funniest thing is Fury doesn't even do that well in their target cap

[fickle cedar]

yeah warrior, at least fury, is in such a shitty state rn, a lot of dead/useless abilities, target cap, our utility is subpar

like im not even talking about power, just design

[sage ridge]

You lose to uncapped classes in 5 target too a lot of the time

[turbid bay]

honestly i just cant wrap my head around it why would you bring a warrior realistically when there is other specs with brez lust with far better utility

and do better dmg

its so odd

[sage ridge]

When I do my own key I feel bad because I see a warrior queue and just think why would I want 2 of these

[turbid bay]

yeah im the same

then you sorta feel like your doing your warrior brother dirty

[sage ridge]

I know you don't stack classes in M+ but I wouldn't even take myself in a key for the most part

The only way to balance out poor utility is good dps

[turbid bay]

they need to change rally is so bad in m+

[sage ridge]

And there are just better options for that

[turbid bay]

yeah

darkness on dh works different in a dungeon setting why cant rally

[sage ridge]

I really think Warrior should have lust

It makes so much sense to me

[turbid bay]

when was the last time they gave a brez or lust to a class outside of a new one?

i just cant see it happening

[sage ridge]

I don't either, it's just wishful thinking

[modest condor]

paladin in df

[turbid bay]

eh i suppose they gave raid buff to shaman as well

[clever belfry]

they took away hunter ress in bfa too

[summer quail]

and hunter. tho hunter buff is pretty shit

[formal glacier]

i mean our dps just trash

[warm crag]

speak for yourself buddy

[formal glacier]

i mean, we bottom tier for a reason dont act like you doing good in m+ compared to other dps xd

[plush zephyr]

Nooooo

You just wanna get invited more

[gleaming siren]

sorry the tier virus got you

[indigo arch]

Fury warrior is fine in keys, we have a sick cooldown called going arms

[plush zephyr]

I literally came from arms to fury in m+ when I hit +10 or so

But alright

Fury pumping

[fading sky]

Arms is way better

[indigo arch]

Vs what?

Augs?

[fading sky]

Vs fury

[indigo arch]

No I mean fury pumping lmao

[fading sky]

Pumps in 10s

With ppl who dont push buttons

[indigo arch]

I already know Fury is a sinking ship for keys

It's arms or new class at this point

[fading sky]

But if u dont push fury can slap

[plush zephyr]

lol okay y’all on some negative Nancy shit

[indigo arch]

Nah just facts and #s

[fading sky]

Its more the.prio dmg is not.enough

[indigo arch]

I feel guilty every time I q into a fury on an alt because I know bro is about to get hosed

[fading sky]

But fury isnt unplayable

And ive won keys in both specs in overall

[indigo arch]

Fury really should have heaps more priority damage if blizz doesn't want them to contribute to overall

[fading sky]

Dno quite how but yes

Without fakiin with raid tuning

[dense elbow]

k

If you win as Fury on overall, you played with shitters... or they let you win

[fading sky]

I was about to write, that with equally geared//skilled iø fuxked

So shitters ngl

[formal glacier]

i mean i actually push pug at a point where ppl just dont invite warrior no more cause we suck..

[formal glacier]

100%

[feral ivy]

is there a meta with ML that doesnt need warriors?

cant get into one -.-

[nova gorge]

Do I do 2x authority of the depths or 1 and 1? (mythic+)

Or should I use raidant power x2?

[worn gyro]

fury slacks so much on big pulls huh

[plush zephyr]

You just suck at fury lol

[storm birch]

fury is pretty meh lol

[worn gyro]

fury is very fun to play. does decent overall but yeah lags way behind other classes

like. 3.5m overall vs mm hunter or rogue doing 4.5-5m

[storm birch]

boss dmg is pretty decent and prio target dmg is pretty good but

[worn gyro]

ST it shines

[storm birch]

these dungeons have so many large pulls it's def lackluster compared to most specs

[worn gyro]

normally top boss dam or there abouts

[silk wharf]

Something that is also glossed over is that when you are in an aoe scenario and you're cleaving your 4 targets, any damage you're cleaving that is hitting things that would die anyways is wasted pad damage.

[worn gyro]

even 2 target cleave, had 0 cds on 1st boss priory n still done 2.6m

[silk wharf]

So it's not even the total amount effectively, it's less.

Like, for instance, the pull after the first boss in priory. Any damage you are cleaving out that is hitting the non-elites is full pad.

(as far as clearing the key as fast as possible)

[worn gyro]

why not 100% sadge

[silk wharf]

Imagine actually being good at a niche.

[worn gyro]

shame i dont find arms that fun

fury just fun as fuck to play

[storm birch]

Yea it is fun

[silk wharf]

I also don't particularly like current arms. It's very micro trying to decide so many things on the fly of when to use, when to hold, when to setup.

[storm birch]

Make whirlwind 8 targets 😎

Sike that’d prolly be mad op

That’s how it was like right before bfa right ?

[worn gyro]

either 8 or 100% 🤷‍♂️

[silk wharf]

I think it should be 1 point for 4 charge aoe WW and the followup node should be a passive that makes attacks cleave always everything around you for less. Like that talent for warlock incinerate.

[fluid cedar]

who got tha capo knuckle smf tech

[candid falcon]

do you think merciless bonegrinder would be good to give back to fury?

for M+

i remember slands it was used but made the rotation feel awful imo?

[modest condor]

mbg doesnt really work with thane

gets you 2 buffed thunderclap/blasts

also imagine not getting a thunderblast proc so you end up having to waste it on a base clap

[candid falcon]

i guess it could make slayer better in keys but yeah it wouldnt move the needle on thane

[modest condor]

maybe if they change it in some way

also as you said, a lot of people didnt like the whirlwind spam rotation

[candid falcon]

the only change i could think of is making mbg buff whirlwind's cleave situation from 55% to something higher

something is very wrong with my tooltip lol

[young swan]

holy smokes

a whole 4%

[silk wharf]

Could make it cause cleave to hit everything instead of buffing ww

[candid falcon]

blizzard thinking to themselves: "okay that might be too much, lets reduce it further"

[modest condor]

i once had the idea to make it make whirlwind cleave uncapped

[candid falcon]

like, your whirlwind makes your abilities hit ALL enemies around you? that would feel really good

[clever belfry]

sir
a 17th nerf has hit the fury warriors

[candid falcon]

oh wait probably cant send images like that

[clever belfry]

👀

[dense elbow]

WW spam feels aweful, indeed. Big AoE CDs on the other hand is gleefull funhappytimes

Instead of trying to make Fury flat dam profile stronger, burst is the answer to make gameplay more explosive fun

[honest sundial]

@modest condor 3.5 as fury achieved! only 17 top missing now

[modest condor]

grats

[honest sundial]

i played 17 rookery honestly overall wasn't that bad

[modest condor]

the wonders of resillience

[honest sundial]

yep

[modest condor]

yeah rookery isnt such a bad fury dungeon

has like 2 big pulls

[honest sundial]

ye it's like u play first pull and u kinda think it's gonna be super bad but it is only better later on

[modest condor]

but did you play wrecking throw

[honest sundial]

oh shit i did not

[modest condor]

i want to see the damage it can do now

my napkin math was like 18mil

[dense elbow]

Oh right, it got buffed to viability. Please do rook again and share the dam
Big dam on CD is fun

[modest condor]

try it on the miniboss in priory

[dense elbow]

Reflect shield?

[modest condor]

yes

[honest sundial]

Try to assasinate yourself

[dense elbow]

Hm, think I will brush off dust of my warrior tomorrow. Got to try out recking

Maybe it is enough dam to get my blood circulating again

[modest condor]

i mean you need to give up 2 talent points for it

is there even a dungeon other than rookery where you would use it

[plush zephyr]

No

[dense elbow]

What is another minus few % dam on overall among friends

[modest condor]

maybe for the affix

but who plays keys with affix anymore

[honest sundial]

workshop shields so big...

[plush zephyr]

Pvp people are having a blast with it

[proud portal]

Not sure tbh

Don't really realize it that much cus how much I burst

[honest sundial]

It was a yoke

[dense elbow]

Don't need to be a lot, just enough that we get to wreck it, pretend we got a CD

[proud portal]

Wrecking throw for pvp is a must for Fury pvp against locks specifically (Fuck those locks)

[plush zephyr]

I wish I had enough time to get good at PvP

Buuuut nah

[full valve]

if u "accidentally" forget to kill a droplet on meadery thats wreck value

[modest condor]

big true

[dense elbow]

I like that chain of thought

[proud portal]

a lot of practice. I usually check Bahjeera's talent tree and rotations, go from there.

[modest condor]

brb crafting knockback on belt so i can "accidentally" do that

[plush zephyr]

Yeah but it’s like a 45 sec cd

So one drop a fight?

[modest condor]

idk what keylevel you're doing that the boss only takes 45 seconds

[dense elbow]

2s? Probably

[plush zephyr]

Okay. 2.

[full valve]

[dense elbow]

I think I see 3 if not 4 sets on avg. No way it is only two, right?

Start, corner, corner, start, corner. 5 me think

That is what 9 blobs to wreck

value

[full valve]

tyranical = more health = more TTK = more blobs = more wreck value

[fluid cedar]

anyone fw smf yet

[winter shoal]

it plays the same as non-smf and does less dam 🙂

[fluid cedar]

oh ok

[winter shoal]

IIRC it's roughly 8% worse

I don't think anyone's done much theorycrafting on it though because it's so far behind that it's not really worth the time and effort

[fluid cedar]

when blizz let us tmog 2h -> 1h

[winter shoal]

They should probably fix the features they added that aren't working before adding new ones

[woven valley]

So the warrior class right? Cause it’s Not working well atm

Kek

[quiet breach]

how are there people that put effort into improving and still gray parse

[woven valley]

Cause effort doesn’t equal results. It only means there’s a higher chance of results maybe happening

[winter shoal]

Could also be a gear/raid comp/dying diff

My first time in mythic I got a 3 on first boss

Got like a 45 two days later

Obvious caveat that gear and dying are things you can independently improve at in most cases

[honest sundial]

@modest condor

[dense elbow]

Converting unbelievers, one at a time. Soon they shall all believe in the power of H20 value as a currency

[summer quail]

i got baited

[dense elbow]

(same)

[sullen dove]

nerf fury

[fickle cedar]

65 buffs wtf

[summer quail]

65????

[smoky vale]

wat

[summer quail]

wowhead bot. season of discovery

[smoky vale]

w bait

i only use a guilds news thing

bc its filtered to only retail

[glad coyote]

love how blizz can't balance retail but they have time to fix things in classic

[smoky vale]

they are 2 different teams?

[winter shoal]

this just in: multiple dev teams work on different products

[dense elbow]

Can we swap with a different team tho?

[winter shoal]

I just assume I'll hear about anything important anyways

[smoky vale]

or that

or skyhold explodes in anger

[clear wharf]

myth signet worth taking or socket?

[thorny peak]

how much dps is worth a regemming?

[indigo arch]

I'd rinse you down the drain in a key "lol"

[winter shoal]

I'm crying in the club man

This fight is so bad

My guild is so bad

[indigo arch]

1 like 1 prayer

[dense elbow]

500k

[summer quail]

wait are you still on this? or is this a rekill

[winter shoal]

I repeat

My guild is so bad

[summer quail]

i swear you were on this a few weeks ago as well, when i was on it?

[winter shoal]

Yes

Like 3 weeks now

[dense elbow]

🫂

[summer quail]

holy moly

i think we are on one armed bandit hell now. killed sprocket last week and i assume we are extending

[feral ivy]

which do yall think is easier to learn warrrior dps or ret pally

[dense elbow]

Ret pally

[summer quail]

ret. warrior has some conditionals, makes it harder than ret. not hard tho, just harder.

[dense elbow]

Ret do have a lot more situational utility to minmax tho. Not to mention off healing to juggle

Let's call it a tie

easier to DPS, more stuff to juggle and use

[bold bear]

what's this website?

[feral ivy]

wtf pallys heals others as ret?? .. i really dont believe that but i also never paid attention

[dense elbow]

Ya be surprised how much a well placed BoF, BoP or WoG can change things. Not to mention BoS

[winter shoal]

Warcraftlogs

[winter shoal]

@summer quail freedom

Dogshit parse but boss doesn't count anyways

And I piss cranked on the overall

[fiery edge]

i feel like swapping to arms, but whenever i do, i end up going back to fury

[winter shoal]

Play both

Having more options available is never a bad thing

[summer quail]

gzz

[alpine onyx]

have they reverted the pre pull thing??

[summer quail]

yes, it never went live

[tidal kindle]

[feral ivy]

can you shadowmeld a scrap master? just incase

[summer quail]

no, you can't shadowmeld things in raid

[woven valley]

stix isnt fun lol doing prog now

[feral ivy]

its exhausting

[woven valley]

its like...the same issue the game has been having for a long time

one mistake

wipe

redo fight

getting old having personal things kill the entire raid

i get there has to be wipe mechanics but it shouldnt be "LOL RANDOM THING GO BOOM"

[feral ivy]

i dont think it should be 1 person fuck up = wipe raid or at least not this early on boss

easy fight just 1 person can fuck up on a accident or just anything

[winter shoal]

Should've executed harder

Or not died

Either way it's your fault and nobody else's

[winter shoal]

Bind RP walk if you haven't

And make sure your whole raid does too

YOu can slow down the ball and turn tighter if you need to

[woven valley]

biggest troll lol

[fair swallow]

is there anyway i can make fury work in m+ or and i'm just doomed to play arms

[summer quail]

ofcourse there is a way. noxiv is nr 1 dps warrior and plays only fury

[fair swallow]

speaking of which is it really better to put one point into UF? when i sim it comes out as weaker than the standard build

[winter shoal]

That's a sim thing, I put that point in deft I think

[tidal kindle]

I was playing fury

[winter shoal]

Should've VCd harder

[tidal kindle]

I was on track for a 2.7 log, couldn't fury any harder

Bro our protw ripped aggro w/ demo crit tn

Frontalled like 6 of us

[winter shoal]

classic

[tidal kindle]

I was at 2.7 before my last pot/cds

On track for 2.8er

[fair swallow]

that's usually what i do but he takes 1 point out of deft and puts it into unbridled ferocity

so i'm just wondering if it's actually better or not

[winter shoal]

mfw 2.6 on cauldron with shit kill time

r7 but only a 98

[winter shoal]

You can use raidbots to sim this

[fair swallow]

that's what i've done

[winter shoal]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hpWemg3cHA4nahQwVQzJSg

UF big shit

[fair swallow]

that's why i was asking because he's using it

[fiery edge]

are ascendance and writhing armor the first crafted items i should get?

[winter shoal]

Who is "he"

[winter shoal]

Depends on how many things you're crafting at this point in the season, but it's a reasonably safe bet yeah

You should def craft a 675 2h if you don't already have one though

[feral ivy]

anyone getting dc?

[fair swallow]

noxiv

[winter shoal]

I was lagging like a mf yeah

[winter shoal]

Noxiv is just built diff

[fiery edge]

haven't gotten any 2h mythics

[winter shoal]

Def craft 675 2h then, and putting ascendance on it is probably a safe bet

You may want to recraft it so you can use double duskthread on other pieces later, but in the meantime that'll be a good option

FWIW ascension + writhing is still better for me at 675

670*

I think double dusk probably better with a second 678 weapon

[fiery edge]

i also did craft a 658 writhing wrist

still gotta recraft in the future

[winter shoal]

Yeah it'll be incremental upgrades as you craft

But starting with a 675 ascension weapon is a good idea

[fluid cedar]

if im comparing trinkets for M+ should i just sim 1t 5m

for instance i have lockstalk/pacemaker/kezan/viscera/signet all hero track

ive used kezan in a ton of keys and it seems fine but the dropping off in combat has me a lil twigged about using it because i exclusively pug

[winter shoal]

1t 5m and 5t 5m

but yeah kezan stinky in keys

Personally I'd probably go pacemaker + (locknstalk or viscera)

[compact knot]

kezan is good as shit in some keys, cinderbrew i have 100% uptime on it until the bee flying rp

[fair swallow]

how do you sim locknstalk as mass destruction?

[winter shoal]

Yeah but you play with moderately competent tanks

[winter shoal]

I think there's a simc variable for it, but also you should probably stay in precision mode anyways

[compact knot]

i play with pug tanks

mostly

[winter shoal]

Yeah but aren't you like good

And therefore more likely to play with good pugs

[compact knot]

no

i only do 10s

[winter shoal]

oh nvm then

[fiery edge]

maybe i started late, but peeps do be denying fury in mythic

except making my own group

[compact knot]

im like really good in raid

but i dont bother with m+

[fair swallow]

i'm about to start doing this

i was trying to push 3k io and i'm only 4 13s away but damn is it annoying at this level

either imma stop trying to push or say fuck it and brute force it as fury

i'm tired of playing arms

[winter shoal]

Ye you were the one who cooked up the smolderon cd/pot timing with running out a couple rings right

Or at least the one who shared it in here

[winter shoal]

13s are rarely a damage check in my experience

just a "don't wipe" check

[modest condor]

not for people progging 13s

[winter shoal]

this is me tho

[modest condor]

i've had a clean +12 deplete

just people not doing damage

[summer quail]

i ran my first 13 today. signed up just for fun

ez +2

[compact knot]

i believe i was the first person to mention it yes

i made like a whole paragraph about it

but im sure top end players already knew about it probably

[modest condor]

i mean it was used in rwf, idk if you did it before them

[compact knot]

i did it way before

[winter shoal]

Yeah this was a heroic week thing wasn't it

[modest condor]

amirdrassil didnt have heroic week

[winter shoal]

Oh maybe I'm just cooked then

My point was I remembered Khazix actually knew what they were talking about

[compact knot]

i found it out the first reset i think

on normal

.

yeah that would be the day my guild did normal i think

[clever path]

did sussy energy drink get nerfed?

[compact knot]

2 days after raid release