fury

[fading sky]

True

[random raptor]

Which trinkets should I use for M+, funhouse lens - eye of kezan - suspicious energy drink

MT sims say funhouse lens/suspicious energy drink, ST sims say eye of kezan/suspicious energy drink
So I'm having trouble deciding lol

[hardy bluff]

kezan is shit in dungeons

[random raptor]

Even if you chain pull in high keys?

[clever belfry]

it drops very fast

[random raptor]

Okay that answers that question then haha ty

[fading sky]

Im guessin motherlode kezan

[sleek zenith]

is signet any good for warrior?

[sour frigate]

Decent if u don't have hoc/lense

[sleek zenith]

currently running these 2

[sudden tusk]

its not great unfortunatly

1.5m class 2min cd trinket it just doesnt line up well

[sleek zenith]

would you say its better to just get the mythic legs and make em into tier then?

currently have hero legs

[sour frigate]

Line it with rav/reck

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[thick fossil]

Those legs are BiS as they are.

[eternal compass]

Does spell reflect deal the full damage of the spell back? Or is also based on modifiers on you like avatar or defensives

[gilded stratus]

our bis trinket drops from specific delves or its random?

[icy roost]

Does anybody know the exact amount of total Sparks i should have by now (im stupid and lost track, please help me brothers)

[sour frigate]

Just boutiful delves

[sour frigate]

I guess 5th today

[icy roost]

Ty ty

[sleek zenith]

haste/vers is bis for fury?

[barren dagger]

Can i open my vault

Without drama now?

[thick fossil]

Take a look on WoWhead BiS list.

[little escarp]

yo guys did they fix the vault for eu?

[thick fossil]

The tier legs are Crit/Haste.

[gilded stratus]

ty

[timber locust]

guys is viscera of the coalesced hatred actually a good trinket?

any thoughts? 6 min

is eye of kezan overrated or?

[fading sky]

Kezan is exactly what it sims

[chrome plover]

if u wanna be giga safe wait til 4pm server time eu

but i opened all of mine and got no dupes

[chrome plover]

on St yeah it's pretty good

[fair thistle]

sims are sims, take kezan

[subtle nova]

How are softcaps/ hardcaps for fury when it comes to mastery sitting at 63% mastery rn

[chrome plover]

dont really impact anything just sim

[subtle nova]

Alr no HoC for me then

[viscid oxide]

hey guys

how many bleeds do fury have, is it just the one from bloodthirst?

[chilly plume]

that and troar

[sand crest]

and odyns if you play odyns (dont play odyns)

[viscid oxide]

yeah rason im asking is cause

im wondering if i can drop thunderous words for speafr

spear*

[sand crest]

you can, it will be more annoying to play and not more dmg

not noticeably more at least

[viscid oxide]

is it not useful in +? i am not fussed about spear for raiding, so this would be openworld/delve/+ really

[sand crest]

if it was useful to any significant degree the guide builds would be using it

spear is kinda trash

[fading sky]

U can deffo play spear with cds instead of roar

Its fun

[viscid oxide]

yeah but those people probably arent in my trash pugs xD

[fading sky]

Less good

[viscid oxide]

few seconds of extra kiting would help in bad keys

[fading sky]

But fun

[viscid oxide]

but yeah

i just find it a fun ability

[fading sky]

U would use it for dmg

[viscid oxide]

if its super bad or anything i wont take in raid

dropping thunderous roar seems v bad though cause its similar damage on 45sec

[fading sky]

Rav - avatar - clap - spear and ham

[viscid oxide]

or did i misunderstand you i thought you meant drop all roar talents for spear ones

[fading sky]

U shouls drop all roar and take spear talents

Its not horrid its just more work for same overall dmg or slightly less

[viscid oxide]

but it has double the cooldown

so surely thats a lot less?

ima try it anyway and see 🙂

[fading sky]

It does mer dmg per use?

But less uses

[viscid oxide]

tooltip says same for me

then factor in 50%

but thats 50% more dam for 100% more cooldown

[random raptor]

What would we drop so we can take heroic throw for gallywix

[dense elbow]

Roar is 660k, spear is 590k, no mods. Spear can get 50% boost, roar can be cast twice as often. Spear can mod your real damage, roar can increase its damage by a bit over 40%

Spear is clearly better as a tool to amp a burst windown. Roar seems to be just better and easier to use as a stable DPS tool.

So what we dicussing, raid or m+, damage window or nah?

[fading sky]

M+ as in could he take it without gimpim himself 100%

Spear thane is not horrid

[dense elbow]

Sure, it wont matter much either way, you already gimping yourself by playing Fury

[fading sky]

Exactly

[dense elbow]

Just play whatever you enjoy the most. Spear or Roar, it wont make much of a difference. Maybe spear helps a bit more on prio dam, the only thing we are fine at

[fading sky]

If he likes spear more

[viscid oxide]

@dense elbow ty vm for that breakdown

i was kinda wondering about all

i want to take it in m+

[sour frigate]

roar more consistent ig

[fading sky]

Frost dk is basicly fury on roids in keys

[viscid oxide]

but as thinking about it in raid afterwards

[dense elbow]

Roar also is a lot less focused, and often hit unimportant pad targets (that the real DPS mow over either way)

[fading sky]

Frosk dk unknown coz uh so good

Also spear matches thane theme

[dense elbow]

Roar Value 🙂

[fading sky]

Its gungnir from heaven!

Of?-?

[dense elbow]

OF for laif

[fading sky]

Kitty playin the true slayer build in keys!

[dense elbow]

Ofc, I never backed down. I just need large periods of time away from my warrior, to offset the depression

[fading sky]

I mean just dont show details

And fury is fuckin awesome

Esp slayer feels so great to play

[dense elbow]

Perhaps, but sadly I want to know how carried I am in the keys, so I know if I should say I am sorry for being there at the end

[fading sky]

Well

Logs

[chilly fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/snape-professor-snape-no-one-can-know-no-one-gif-18196995117704263657

[full valve]

if u ever get invited, u should just prioritize having fun and completing the key, everybody will remember completing the key not if u were 3rd on dmg meters lol

[dense elbow]

I will remember, and in my world, I am all that matters

I simply dont enjoy playing and being basically a boostie. Is what it is.

[sour frigate]

details gaming 😎

[full valve]

Idk... ur concept of "boostie" feels wrong to me

[dense elbow]

😎 hell yea

[full valve]

A boostie to me is someone who isnt contributing at all

[sour frigate]

Im boostie

[dense elbow]

Nah, boosties often better than half the boosters

[full valve]

Like consntant dying, not doing mechanics or not kicking etc

[sour frigate]

At least i want to b

[sour frigate]

man recently i had a boostie who played better than booster ret...

[full valve]

If u are doing mechanics, kicking, doing the dmg that u can.... to me thats not boosted lol

[dense elbow]

That is more normal than you would think

Boosters are usually boosties that want to regain some gold

Then I gotta carry all of em

it freaking sucks

Especially when warrior is weak AF

[sour frigate]

play prot.

[full valve]

play arms

[remote bobcat]

its actually not bad

[barren dagger]

If you don’t die, interrupt and cast shockwave, you’re already winning

The fucking 15s penalty is deadly

[stoic loom]

Anyone know if they new trinkets are any good?

[warm crag]

Noted i will not Interrupt, shockwave or die anymore

[winter shoal]

Based

[forest owl]

is the proc from eye of kezan consistent or is it purely random?

for example will it take the same amount of time to ramp up or will it vary pull to pull?

[radiant plank]

random

[left perch]

hi boostie, I’m dad

[forest owl]

ye just tested it myself it can have a wild variance, 1 test on dummies it took 4:40 to stack then the next test it was 2:40

[chilly fractal]

If you don’t stack up fast enough just call wipe

[lapis spoke]

Hey I have a question that I wanted to get some Fury warr opinions on.

For Slayer Fury in raid during the opener would you guys prioritize expending all Raging Blows after Bladestorm to buff the next empowered Rampage as much as possible then send Rampage despite going over rage cap, or just rampage immediately after bladestorm?

[chilly fractal]

RB spam

Make that Rampage BEEFY

[lapis spoke]

Would you do this over the course of the fight as well after every bladestorm or only during CDs?

[balmy shore]

apparently we are free!!

[compact knot]

Thank god

Only took like 24 hours

[balmy shore]

we can finally log in 😭

i can’t wait to see my shitty vault

[marble pilot]

Thinking of crafting a ring this week cause im trash at this game and havnt beat heroic gally yet.
Which crafted ring is better? Stat rings or the one with the proc?

The proc seems annoying to work with unless you have a buddy that always raids with you

[compact knot]

The proc uses a embellishment slot so I wouldn't

There are other embellishments that are better

[marble pilot]

Yeah never using it then

Thanks I wasnt sure

[forest owl]

if only 🤣

'guys jump off the edge, this things taking 6 mins to stack'

[chilly fractal]

If anyone asks why you called wipe just blame it on the night or someone else

Or maybe the wind

[candid falcon]

followup to this cause i had been wondering the same question, does it matter if rampage is cast inside enrage or not? i know rampage enrages you but does rampage benefit from its own enrage? would it be important to beef up the rampage but not let enrage fall off?

[fair thistle]

update ?

[warm crag]

Rampage Deals enraged damage

No need to game it

[fair thistle]

in the tooltip it is said : "rampage enrages you and then blows 4 brutal hits"

it starts by enrage so rampage does enraged damage

[candid falcon]

cool cool

[warm crag]

The question is valid

Bloodthirst Used to not work this way iirc

[vivid idol]

So if I drop enrage while stacking up raging blows that’s ok?

[fair thistle]

didn't say that

[fair thistle]

if all ur raging blows are enraged its ok

[candid falcon]

is there a limit to how many RBs you would send or is it just fuckin send it

[fair thistle]

udgaf bout having enrage downtime during GCD before rampage

[warm crag]

5 but the sim doesnt even do that

[fair thistle]

myb for dots tho

[candid falcon]

ok cool ty :)

[warm crag]

Iirc it just Ramps at 4

[candid falcon]

probably because enrage falls off around there?

[fair thistle]

what means iirc ?

[chrome plover]

if i remember correctly

[fair thistle]

k

ty

[candid falcon]

glad to know there's something i can improve in my opener

have a good day folks

[wintry snow]

Is eye still worth in M+?

[warm crag]

Nah probs not

[onyx hazel]

would someone wanna help me try to figure out why i do bad dmg

[earnest canyon]

#1347646810457636974

[wide totem]

Yo Guys is the The Jastor Diamond bether than the Cyrce's Circlet for M+?

[chilly fractal]

Are you wearing 2 Cyrce’s Circlets?

[narrow umbra]

Any thoughts about this trinket?

https://i.imgur.com/FOUYdBB.png

[warm crag]

@frigid zealot why didnt you craft a weapon until u looted a m wep in week 7

defend yourself

[chilly fractal]

I hope they crafted a shield in order to defend their self

[balmy shore]

i usually get full m+ and two delve slots but easter weekend and we extended for oab -> mugzee zzzzzzzzz

[dull cliff]

In kind of a weird, spot, I was going to ask for help with my logs and how to improve, but I'm not sure how to isolate my stuff from the raid log as a whole?

[balmy shore]

click on ur name

or at the top you can choose yourself

[wide totem]

No but i have to rings in my weekly When I use the Sim, they are always better. I guess because of the GS. Just wonder why everyone still has the Cyce in there

[fair thistle]

yeah i feel u

[dull cliff]

There, hopefully I submitted them right, I feel like I am missing something completely to be this low on the scores. Sure its my first time in heroic LoU but my god what I am doing THAT badly?

[frigid zealot]

i went 2x bsl on first craft week, then got weapon in vault week i was crafting weapon

[coarse nest]

Without looking I’d venture that you simply do not press buttons fast enough and waste alot of rage

[warm crag]

so you griefed

got it

[frigid zealot]

:o7:

didnt actually expect to be so unlucky 😄

[dull cliff]

I missed some casts of reck and thunderous roar due to trying to learn mechanics as I go, but raidbots says I should be doing 1.774m at peak in a patchwerk fight, meanwhile I barely hit 1.2-1.3m at my best.

Also, I spam my buttons, unless I'm hitting raging blow more than rampage, like the other warrior in the raid was hitting like 10-20% more rampages, and I use that basically every time its possible.

[coarse nest]

Maybe uptime on boss is poor?

Running around “doing mechanics” a lot?

[open prairie]

anyone know whats causing the double number overlap

on unitframes

[coarse nest]

Patch week

Probably plater related

[dull cliff]

That is what I am thinking, but unless I'm like recording myself I can't really tell that (which I don't.) Like Stix kind of makes sense, considered I was picking up on the interrupts on scrapmasters far away due. I just feel like I have a decent understanding of fury, but this makes me look like I'm not even hitting buttons half the time.

[open prairie]

no plater just elv

[bright loom]

Send me the logs

[hearty stirrup]

Where did enrage and whirlwind stacks display go ;<

[coarse nest]

Onto the new buff tracker probably

[quasi turtle]

are there no longer catchup chest? for valor stones?

[dull cliff]

Is it normal for the hyenas to evade in Stix?

[next ruin]

is this some kind of known sim bait ? or an actual good trinket ; for reference i had heroic kezan and 658 suspicious energy drink on

[quiet breach]

one of our best trinkets

arguably THE best for ST

[storm birch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6YcumEFHXPt4vR6zu1zhTe finally popped over 2.6m dps let's gooo

was trying to learn how to do gem optimization sims

[warm crag]

7 min sim simulation hack

[fast mural]

does anyone else not get credit for vault from m+ dungeons ?

[storm birch]

is 7 too long 😮 that's what i thought was the standard o.O at least that's what wowaudit and stuff makes me do haha

[dull cliff]

I know people don't recommend "hand holdy addons" but this maxdps addon has me never use bladestorm single target, ever regardless of slayer buff stacks.

yet i'm doing more damage than when i do.

[warm crag]

nah its fine

[low folio]

kinda crazy that they said the dinars would be in this patch but unless im mistaken, they arent

[warm crag]

most mythic fights that matter are ~7 minutes now and kezan only becomes really good post the 5 minute mark

[warm crag]

the statement is true if they add it midway through the lifecycle of the current patch

reading comprehension is certainly difficult

[storm birch]

Ahhh I see. So it kinda ensures your kezan gets stacked for the sim . Makes sense

[warm crag]

never pressing bladestorm is incredibly grief

[low folio]

i mean thats kind of lazy and halfassed

[storm birch]

I’ve been trying to squeeze above 2.6m dps for a while haha. Bout time

[low folio]

considering there isnt a huge amount of stuff, shouldnt have been hard to add these in

[dull cliff]

Its something the community took and ran with it, because Ion said to Nagurra they are working on something for dinars and 11.1.5 was in the same section of the interview.

[warm crag]

they are implemented just not released yet

[dull cliff]

I was thinking the same thing, but apparently not, I was doing more damage not hitting it.

on single target.

[warm crag]

do what you want king you should be pressing bladestorm with unhinged

[dull cliff]

I WANT to improve, but all these "rotation helper" addons are telling me not to use it and I am getting better numbers as a result.

[warm crag]

the only rotation helper addon i know is heikili and it pulls from the current simc apl which most certainly tells you to bladestorm

[dull cliff]

also they are telling me not to hit rampage when it comes up and i'm getting better results as well, has me using raging blow almost like a 1-button rotation.

[warm crag]

are you sure you doing more damage is a result of you not pressing bladestorm or other factors like you pressing the other buttons better

whats the sample size here

[dull cliff]

That's the thing I have no idea, its why I have such a hard time improving as well, I can't tell what I'm doing wrong other than details spitting numbers out at me.

[storm birch]

Are you sure you’re enraged when you bladestorm for example?

Cause an un-enraged bladestorm will feel like trash

But you should be hitting it for sure

[dull cliff]

I mean I try to, I don't run a weak aura pack to fill the bottom half of my screen with doubled action bars basically.

[warm crag]

could be a situation where the rotation helper doesnt tell you to press cds cause you're assumed to figure them out yourself and bladestorm is considered a cooldown (bladestorm)

idk

[modest condor]

bladestorm is considered a bladestorm mhm

[warm crag]

real statement

[dull cliff]

I definitly will say, the new cooldown manager feels a lot more managable than trying to customize a WA

[storm birch]

@dull cliff what I mean is the only reason I could think your damage numbers are “going up” when skipping bs is if you aren’t rampaging before your bladestorm to be enraged

[lapis kelp]

you might want to add something to track Enrage. or take one of the packs and remove everything other than things that are actionable, like Rampage, raging blow, ect

[storm birch]

I was using cd manager but went back to luxthos. I can’t stand the order of abilities on cd manager and I like the little blue bars for whirlwind stacks more than the buff tracker. I was letting the stacks drop so often

[dull cliff]

Meanwhile you have me spending like an hour trying to figure out how to make a recklessness WA to glow when its ready and don't glow when its not, i failed and gave up. Its just menus on tabs on menus of variables I can't decipher.

[dry talon]

st sim patchwerk 1 boss 5 mins ?

[dull cliff]

Speaking of which, why do people always do the patchwerk sim, that literally doesn't happen in WoW anymore, and hasn't for many expansions.

[dry talon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/juWfG6mUfuj1FzGGFFCQQS

[storm birch]

@dull cliff I personally recommend just getting luxthos WA and ditching all the individual ones it sounds like you’re getting. And get the bloodthirst weak aura in the dps-faq channel

[modest condor]

omg i just checked maxdps what is this addon doing

[dry talon]

its aoe build

and this one st https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8sQzkKzwHDpynv94MJoSVb

numbers somehow bigger

[storm birch]

https://wago.io/LuxthosWarriorWarWithin @dull cliff

[dull cliff]

That would require me being able to figure out how to customize what is shown and what isn't.

[lapis kelp]

you can just delete, or check Never for load

[storm birch]

It typically shows the info you need to know

[dull cliff]

I hate to quote a Maximum short he did during undercover raidleading WA "looks like a bunch of chinese shit" but its about as indecipherable to me as another language i don't understand.

[storm birch]

What are you trying to get rid of ?

Or should I say, what abilities are you trying to not see the remaining cd of

[dull cliff]

I literally just want to track important buffs, their cooldowns, and glow when they are ready so if my focus shifts it will be in my face.

[storm birch]

I think I’d have to see your UI in order understand. I’m guessing you have your normal rotational abilities on action bars already that you look for? Like raging blow and what not? So you just want like reck avatar bladestorm to be visible nothing else?

[modest condor]

so after playing with maxdps for a couple of minutes, this addon is so bad that the only way it can be a dps gain for you is if you were fundamentally playing the spec wrong

it seems to largely ignore bt crit, it's spamming raging blow even at rage cap

[storm birch]

Yea I can’t imagine it’s ideal or even close to it

[clever flax]

man this week sucks

[flat river]

bis belt 👀

[warm crag]

bis waffe log in

[warm crag]

what else do you sim

[clever flax]

Theres a socket w/ the bis belt tho

[warm crag]

hitting a single target is how most raid fights are determined and killed ye

[storm birch]

Yea I think a forever piece is never a bad vault o7

If it’s a piece that locks a slot from ever needing replaced then hooray sick vault

[warm crag]

idk man ppl posted pics of mythic weapons in their first vaults and said this vault sucks

no one actually knows what a good vault is

[storm birch]

Lmao oof

[modest condor]

because it's impossible to perfectly simulate every scenario that can happen in a raid fight, so the best thing you can do is remove as many variables as possible so you have a clean base to work with

[dull cliff]

I turned off the cooldown manage for that, but I came to realize I increase my damage i need to track like 3 buffs. which is...not fun. I want to hit my buttons, not hold bloodthirst for like 10 GCDs because I don't have a slayer talent stacked.

[storm birch]

You have your bars so far down your screen you have to move your eyes to look at the abilities. What would be the harm of situating the WA I sent directly below your characters feet to help your Cd awareness

[dull cliff]

Its lead to me walking into AoEs or mechanics those weak aura packs were obscuring.

[storm birch]

Yea I had that issue too that’s why you gotta go a little further down than your feet so you see swirlies 😌

[dull cliff]

That is why I never understood why people were fine with having space around their character being blocked by weak auras

I like to see what is happening all around my character, not just to the left right and front.

[storm birch]

Well what truly matters is swirlies appearing where your characters model is so that’s what needs to stay clear most

Ah so you wanna see if a sneaky mechanic is coming up behind you

I see I see

[dull cliff]

like wtf is this.

[storm birch]

@dull cliff so how about another action bar with all the cds you have on it. No keybinds just for showcase

That looks pretty great! You got your buffs that you need tracked right there where your eyes will be !

[dull cliff]

And this is what it looks like when I try to move it and make it look kind of OK, I can't work with this.

[hardy bluff]

is that like the 4k version?

[storm birch]

You can click and drag in the area where the buffs show to move it around

[hardy bluff]

looks huge

[storm birch]

That’s showing every possible buff or popup you could ever have ever. And where it would try to situate. So you can move them accordingly

You can also click individual ones and move them with the little arrows I believe . If you wanted

[dull cliff]

I have no idea, I have my UI scale set to 0.9 in 1080p

[storm birch]

I also think you can go to the display tab and shrink it some. Don’t quote me. Not at my pc

I think your enemy health bar could go right to the right of the avatar icon and your health bar go close to the left of the bloodthirst icon. So it’s not covering your secondary cds. Then tbh you could just hide the bars at the bottom of your screen unless you need to see trinket/battle pot cds. (Unless you don’t know your keybinds by heart like what button you have bound to each ability

[dull cliff]

I do and don't, under stress I sometimes hit the wrong button. Like I hit Shift E for stormbolt instead of Ctrl E for roar.

I'm just not a good player, and trying my best to not be dead weight, but its difficult.

Sometimes during some fights and big m+ pulls on prot I get information overloaded.

[storm birch]

Nah I totally get it. What I will say is your buff tracking is very important. I think we have the luxury of being melee dps that we can constantly be moving and turning our screen as much as we want. If the biggest reason you don’t keep the buffs right there under your feet is because of swirlies I recommend biting the bullet and learning to adjust and maybe try upping your awareness more. Like move your camera/character more to adjust your viewpoint

[dull cliff]

its going into my character even after i moved and shrunk it :

:/

[storm birch]

So open weak aura back up click and drag it down

Until your secondary buff bars sit directly above your health bars

for reference this is my UI. @dull cliff It's not perfect by any means but it's something to off

[dull cliff]

Looks like you're on a much larger resolution than I am.

[storm birch]

I may be. I have an ultrawide monitor so i resized my window to a random size idk the exact size so it wasn't so stretched

[grand condor]

Noxxiv owns, there's no doubt about it, but what's fury's role within his group's comp? Why wouldn't arms be better there?

[dull cliff]

Yea, the reason my UI looks kind of crowded is because, I'll just be honest, my vision isn't what it use to be so I need larger icons and timers to quickly look, analyze, and react.

[kind bolt]

wow cooldown manager sucks ass

[coarse nest]

High ST/prio damage

[dull cliff]

Its a first itteration, and WA wasn't exactly great till like BfA

[kind bolt]

and they removed the cds highlighted in the combar bar too so its worse now

[storm birch]

@dull cliff i get it ! my biggest recommendation to you is to try to adjust. Drag that WA down a bit. You may die to some swirlies in the near future but your awareness should improve and you'll be better for it because you'll know when your buffs are and aren't on cd

Luckily for us as fury we're tanky af! so we can eat some swirlies

[dull cliff]

Yea, I have contemplating trying arms, I just want something where I can kind of just go with the flow and play, and not be staring at my WA or some buff to see if I should hit a button or not.

Like the whole stacking blood thirst crit chance, I want to hit blood thirst when it seems/feels right ,not "do I have 4 or 5 stacks of this buff? Ok let me hit it now."

Same reason I don't like arcane mage.

[storm birch]

if you get the bloodthirst weak aura it'll just make a little chaching sound and that's your queue to hit it! 😄

you can still throw bloodthirst pretty often and it not be detrimental to your dps haha. Your cds being used properly is the big thing

[dull cliff]

I play without sound because hearing my nelf yell every 2 seconds drove me insane in mop, so I play without sound. Seeing high level m+ clips where its just bells and whisles going off constantly would actually cause me to freeze up not react.

[mossy pelican]

[coarse nest]

Nah not at all watch there YouTube uploads

Novix pumps bosses

[sullen cloak]

is anyone having double number counting with Bartender and Omni CC now?

[forest owl]

think so, some of my guildies been talking about that issue today

[merry arch]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=232805/best-in-slots#comments is there a bug atm ? on my warri it provides only int instead of strength oO

[coarse nest]

Right click the weapon outside combat

[sullen cloak]

Yeah a bit annoying

Noted that when I updated Omni CC it stopped but I have small hard to see numbers instead so rolled back to last weeks Omni CC and just have the double counting again

THink its something to do with Bartender

[merry arch]

love it thx mate

[coarse nest]

You’ll probably want to make a macro for it so you don’t switch it on accident

[mossy pelican]

yea

[coarse nest]

/use [combat] 16

[merry arch]

❤️

[wide totem]

Hey Guys, at what point can I replace the Cycres ring as a Furry warrior? If I sim my options everything is better, but none of the High Rio players play without the Cycres Ring. Why? I can't imagine that they don't have another ring...

[storm birch]

Is there ever a world where fury gets a demolish-esque ability where they idk do like this sick triple slam and fracture the ground or do a leap double axe slam into mobs. I’m tryna do some epic stuff

[summer quail]

link the sim. nothing has simmed higher for me

[dull cliff]

I doubt it, blizzard's vision of fury seems be a flurry of unending quick blows, arms is about heavy high impact hits.

[limber folio]

h ow much better is the energy drink against the Improvised Peacemaker ?

it sims way better on same ilvl for me

[quiet breach]

did they push the fix to the vault glitch?

[storm birch]

It just seems fury could be so much cooler as like this leaping berserker 😭 well that’s just my opinion

We just swing swing swing

[wide totem]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qaakBqYNTtdHcBhdDGNMJS
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ucKnSm4pTdwGWoe4UBSfij
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iHdszWH9bzUVbWjGoHLNPA

[dull cliff]

I mean yea, berserkers tend to not be accurate just wildly swinging in a bloody rage, inaccurate but unending.

Cracking the earth needs balance and precision.

[restive pine]

is anyone else having the issue where enrage and ww stack isnt showing in personal resources tab ?

[storm birch]

Hmmmmmmm

[barren dagger]

not possible to get house of cards mythic if i haven't killed him in mythic right?

bandit

[mossy pelican]

yep

[storm birch]

Mythic raid vault only for bosses you’ve killed to unlock the drop potential

[modest condor]

bosses you've killed and all bosses before it

[storm birch]

^ yea that’s good to specify you right

[modest condor]

if the only boss you ever kill is gallywix then you can still get loot from all the other bosses in vault

[barren dagger]

ok so might as well take hoc heroic cause i'm never seeing the mythic version

ty

[storm birch]

@barren dagger I have faith you kill him mythix

[floral belfry]

is the recklesness removed after boss pull fixed for us?

[barren dagger]

i don't mythic raid

so impossible

[remote bobcat]

so essentially raidfinder gally, normal gally, hc gally and mythic gally for 1x hc and 1x normal slot?

clueless~1

[modest condor]

yep

[remote bobcat]

or wait no

wouldnt the 2nd slot be raidfinder?

🤔

[modest condor]

oh yeah

1x heroic and 1x lfr

[remote bobcat]

kekW

i have a char that only does mugzee + gally every week and so far ive only gotten gallywix items from vault

so idk

[modest condor]

if that's true then you either got giga rng or they changed how vault works again

[remote bobcat]

naturally jsut giga rng

im built like that

ykwim

[hardy bluff]

if you kill galliwix 4 times you are still at 1 vault slot

[past tulip]

Is there a WA that reminds you to switch AOE or ST in raids?

[gusty quartz]

should i go with mechano + lens or mechano + lock n stock

[fickle cedar]

i think this one but i have no idea if it works correctly i dont use it https://wago.io/kVOIxDf6D

[hushed walrus]

Sim

[remote bobcat]

i did hc mugzee + gally and nm mugzee + gally on an alt 2 weeks ago and it gave me 2 vault slots, one hc slot and one normal slot

therefore

ur wrong

[ionic lance]

are you guys using bitter immunity for this weeks m+ affix

if so what are u replacing

[fickle cedar]

its useless, just impending victory and let the healer do the rest

[opal monolith]

Any other boomers like me got their experience bricked with the removal of old resource display and new cd manager?

[earnest canyon]

Nope.

[thin kelp]

Am I too high on Mastery? I've seen signet and house of cards in my vault however both sim really poorly for me. I know typically we just trust the sims but Bloodmallet suggests there are really good trinkets but the sims suggest otherwise?

[opal monolith]

good for you

[earnest canyon]

I was just answering your question. I converted to using full WA like 5+ years ago.

[smoky vale]

being high on mastery isnt bad if it does more damage than other gear combinations

[thin kelp]

yeah very true, just trust the sims I guess, I was just surprised that they simmed that badly

[sullen cloak]

SO have all the other classes been buffed now...

[whole yacht]

always trust the robot

[whole yacht]

no i think some got nerfed

like UH dk got a like 2% nerf i think.

[lean wasp]

any of you guys having a problem with personal resource display thing ?

[whole yacht]

a lot of people are

[lean wasp]

sadge

worst patch so far i guess

nothing new but more bugs

[plush zephyr]

I haven’t had any issues. FeelsGoodMan.

[heavy tinsel]

Guys what is the more efficiant for sim in fury for M+?
Dslice or Patchwerk 5T?

[young swan]

sim ST and copy good players trinkets

[whole yacht]

rank 6 sprocket

on heroic

ill take that

[heavy tinsel]

Why not Dslice ?

[remote zephyr]

Does Mister lock n stalk sim well on raidbots? 678 mythic track is doing less than Algari Alchemist Stone craft by a lot but that doesn't seem right

[young swan]

because it skews to certain results and most people dont know how to interepret them

ur trinkets are always just gonna be (on-use stat proc) and (passive stat proc)

so basically ur running signet of the priory or house of cards and whatever passive stat proc you can get your hands on

energy drink, mechano core amplifier, pacemaker

[heavy tinsel]

Ok ok double passive was good too ?, i have already pacemaker in 678

[young swan]

um

if you dont have a good on use double passive is fine yaeh

[modest condor]

Chatting funhouse lens

[dull cliff]

No wonder I struggle so much with dps it seems, using both maxdps and Hekilli (switching between them to see the differences) it randomly goes all highspeed simon says on me saying my next hit should be different like 3 times before finally stopped due to all the random proc buffs.

[sullen dove]

also y just watching ppl play usually more helpful than any of those

i mean for fury especially there rly isnt much going on

youre basically hitting rampage and raging blow on cooldown mixed in with a few bt's and executes

and ww'ing on aoe

[dull cliff]

I mean I do, but apparently I do half my raidbots dps and gray parse sub 15%.

[dull cliff]

I do that, but apparently not correctly.

[dense fulcrum]

so when bl + aoe shout that mass ress the whole world on fury

[plush zephyr]

Your biggest crutch is those add ons

Not you

Get rid of those, and learn the class.

[dull cliff]

I have never used them before now, I was just trying to see what I was doing wrong.

[sullen dove]

just checked a quick log and see that you have about 50 casts per minute on sprocket

which is like the most baseline st boss to look at

whereas i have like 70-75

[whole yacht]

i disagree, using those addons as a baseline to learn the general rotation can be very helpful. they are useless for enhance and arcane mage, but for fury they are pretty accurate to rotation. ive tested them

[sullen dove]

so baseline think you need to hit more buttons on gcd

[plush zephyr]

They won’t give you a good answer. Hekili would tell me shit like throw bag of tricks as a Vulpera

In my rotation

[sullen dove]

do you feel like youre just waiting to hit buttons/not hitting stuff when you could be

[dull cliff]

I am literally spamming my buttons, as the previous button is on GCD

[sullen dove]

hmmge

[whole yacht]

you can remove that in settings

[modest condor]

oh that's funny i could have sworn bag of tricks was removed from the apl

[plush zephyr]

Haven’t used it since DF s1 so you may be right

[dull cliff]

I am not physically near the boss constantly because I was learning the fight, but I feel like no normal heroic capable player is less than half their sim dps even when learning. Also people say I don't hit rampage enough, I hit it every time it lights up.

[whole yacht]

now, will hekilli suddenly make you a mythic raider cuz you follow the steps? no. but it can help learn.

[dull cliff]

It doesn't help me when the skill i'm supposed to hit multiple times in a single GCD cooldown cause of random procs.

[plush zephyr]

You could spend time at a dummy

[dull cliff]

it changes*.

I have been.

[modest condor]

i mean at a base fury is pretty simple

[plush zephyr]

I feel like I’m very proficient with the specs I play but still spend some time at the dummies

[dull cliff]

Even purely focusing on my rotation on a dummy I hit 1.2m-ish, raidbots said I could be hitting 1.774

[modest condor]

press raging blow to generate rage unless your weakaura pings to tell you to press bloodthirst

press rampage when you can

that's the core rotation at a very base level

[whole yacht]

that has never happened to me when i tested the "rotation assistant" addons. it might change sometimes. but its just changing based on current available information. if it says hit execute, but bt is better, it may readjust to say hit bt, then if you hit execute anyway, itll change again because you didnt do what it said

[sullen dove]

on the log i looked at also seems you avatar/roar/bs right on pull you wanna try to rampage before you hit bladestorm at the very least

to just kinda keep the enrage up

[plush zephyr]

Scrolling battle text add on helped me out a ton. But that’s just me.

[sullen dove]

oh i mean none of your stuff is enchanted like at all

[modest condor]

ive never used hekili or seen what hekili looks like, but after your earlier messages i installed maxdps just to see what it does and yeah that addon fucking sucks

[plush zephyr]

Miks I think? Helps me keep track of all the procs and things (it’s not perfect though)

[sullen dove]

that is also pretty damn significant

[dull cliff]

I hate how the way to get better seems to be to "download weak auras." I feel like blizzard needs to do something to make that not the case.

[whole yacht]

maxdps does suck for sure.

[plush zephyr]

Actually lol’d

Ty

[sullen dove]

u got no enchants if you have the gold should def get all of them on wowhead they are pretty massive

[whole yacht]

you absolutely do NOT need weakauras

[sullen dove]

not fixing all issues but id say easily 1-200k dps

[whole yacht]

i dont use a single rotational weak aura

[plush zephyr]

This isn’t true.

[whole yacht]

and i have 2 top 20 parses.

[dull cliff]

This doesn't change the fact that the sims without enchants is saying i am doing like 60% of my possible.

[plush zephyr]

For certain raid encounters you need WAs but there’s people in Liquid that don’t use practically anything

[sullen dove]

yea i mean the rest of that is as you said just keeping uptime on boss

there is times you hit like 3 buttons in 8 seconds

its just stuff to learn

[plush zephyr]

Most of us only use a WA customized to us for a better screen

But it’s optional and only optimal for the player if they like it

[sullen dove]

if all these buttons were on cd you could hit ww but i think coulda been able to hit bt earlier than you did if you had no rb charges

[dull cliff]

Which boss is that? I had to go to bombs for lockenstock and go into bait positions for jails on mugzee.

so I couldn't really do anything there.

[sullen dove]

sprocket, i dont think any mech was happening on sprocket

was kinda on him the whole time in replay it looks like

[plush zephyr]

You can close that gap

[dull cliff]

This is the issue, I don't know what I'm doing wrong, then people said try a rotation helper, I do that, and I still am sitting at 1.1-1.2

[sullen dove]

o i mean 1.2 on a dummy and raidbots is 1.7 yea i dont think thats that bad unless youre simming with weird settings/no raid buffs for example

[dull cliff]

I just feel like without recording me doing my rotation on a dummy idk what to do.

[sullen dove]

but like rotation issues aside the enchants are nothing but a strict dps upgrade that can never hurt your dmg

so like maybe if you can get all them and try some more see how much better you do with that

[dull cliff]

I know, I'm trying to figure out why I have such a huge golf in sims vs. dummy testing.

[plush zephyr]

I think you’re focusing too much on it. Just play the game

[young swan]

would help to see a sim

[plush zephyr]

Details is the devoid of all happiness

[remote bobcat]

90% of people quick sim with monk debuff, BL, full consumes and potentially even PI yet they go to a dummy with none of that

[plush zephyr]

I fucking suck as a fire mage, but, I enjoy it. I’ll try my best but my damage is my damage 🤷‍♂️

[turbid bay]

is your hitting a dummy you dont have lust and rest of the raid buffs

[dull cliff]

I got removed during heroic mugzee because I wasn't doing enough dps and adds were dieing too slow. I got removed as well as 2 other dps, the adds died in less than half the time, and mugzee got 1 less jail before they killed it, its clearly on me doing something wrong.

[turbid bay]

i would sim without the buffs and lust then hit a dummy

[plush zephyr]

Raid leader is wack

Blame them

[sullen dove]

alr steele its not that wack

[remote bobcat]

did u play ury instead of arms?

[sullen dove]

lol

[remote bobcat]

on mugzee?

[modest condor]

getting removed because your dps is low in heroic isnt exactly wack

[young swan]

raid leader isnt wack

thats very normal for a guild thats progression oriented

[plush zephyr]

Okie 😂 sorry

[remote bobcat]

I think its entirely valid and good to replace underperforming dps, especially if they aren't flexible

[dull cliff]

How is it the raid lead's fault when removing 3 dps and they kill it on the next pull before ven the next set of jails we were hitting consistantly.

[rustic kelp]

How do you feel at the moment in keys like +12/+13 as Fury? in Dungeons like priory/Brewery i feel like totaly useless due to AOE Cap - are you swapping to Arms for these Keys?

[sullen dove]

i mean again lookin at the sprocket it seems there was like a 20 second period you didnt hit the boss and fair enough you did get a screw up i guess you didnt have enough ranged so thats a little troll not really your fault

[young swan]

playing fury on mugzee is fine

[dull cliff]

it means the 3 dps were holding the group back.

[coarse nest]

I mean true, but tbf we’ve killed heroic mugz with 7 carry’s floor pov

[sullen dove]

but then during the intermission it took you like another 15 seconds to get back to the boss

when you could leap to boss for example

[remote bobcat]

its fine but not good if he's already clearly strugglin ya feel me

[coarse nest]

One guy doing bad dps shouldn’t hold a heroic guild back

[sullen dove]

just like knowing what abilities you have to stay on boss and when boss does huge movement mechs

[young swan]

if hes struggling on the spec he prefers its not going to help swapping to a spec that he doesnt

[modest condor]

yeah but your guild isnt progging heroic i assume

[coarse nest]

That’s fair yeah

[dull cliff]

I was the only person in that wasn't clearing lou weekly, this was my first time in. I was doing mechanics properly, but I was doing like 200k more dps than the 2 VDH tanks.

It makes me feel like a terrible shit player holding the group back.

[whole yacht]

a mythic guild will be able to perform far better in heroic than a heroic guild or a pug.

[sullen dove]

but i mean i think you have said a few times you are mostly aware of the issue you just need to figure out how to stay on the boss more

a 25 cpm difference is pretty significant

results in alot lower enrage uptime which is also a ton of dmg loss, my sprocket i was 74 casts per minute with 98% enrage uptime and you were 50 cpm with 75% enrage, ilvl aside you just need to try and hit buttons alot more often

[young swan]

hows your gear compared to the rest of the group?

[turbid bay]

if you prefer that spec just need to commit and get good at it

[remote bobcat]

I only went into dual speccing arguments earlier because flexibility is obviously preferred, thats all

[dull cliff]

kind of varies, I was 651 and they were all mid 660s i think.

[coarse nest]

Just play as much as possible, actually playing is the only way to get better

Ask questions here

We got you

[turbid bay]

what kind of damage where you doing?

[young swan]

yeah i mean ur just undergeared as shit

[fickle cedar]

btw how you do disable weak aura double cd text ? updated some of them and i forgot where to remove it

[young swan]

like yeah ur dps sucks and you're probably also doing things wrong

[dull cliff]

I feel like 651 isn't undergeared for heroic, that's literally what drops from it.

[young swan]

but ur gear is bad

[remote bobcat]

im ngl "just playing" isnt enough to improve. There's too many casuals for that

[young swan]

okay but if the rest of the raid is 15 ilvl higher

[remote bobcat]

but ye asking questions good

[young swan]

thats literally 15% more dps

like when i was 665 i was simming for literally 1m more dps than you

[dull cliff]

That is why I'm here, but I can't understand what I am doing so wrong no matter what I do which is severely frustrating me.

even on dummy my DPS is so much lower than it "should be"

[young swan]

do u have omnicd?

or omnicc

or both

[coarse nest]

Pretty sure bowl has the WoWAnalyzer up to date for fury

Could plug a log into that

It’s not perfect but

Will give solid suggestions

[remote bobcat]

651 is good enough for heroic if you have the skills to back it up. 651 in this current week is very low for a main char and it's generally indicative of someone not having the fundamentals down yet (although exceptions exist of course)

[turbid bay]

honestly you could be doing half the things wrong on fury as long as you are keeping uptime and using your cds on cd it should be at least blue parses for your gear

[dull cliff]

Like the people in the raid even complimented me on a willingness to learn and improve, but my damage makes me look like a brainlet not understanding the basics of my class.

[remote bobcat]

so its like..yea

[plush zephyr]

Have you tried Arms 👀

[dull cliff]

I came back 2 weeks ago, this is my second vault of the season.

[turbid bay]

as others have said study the opener keep a eye on your uptime dont overcap on rage

and your good

use your cds on cd

[whole yacht]

worrying aboutt rage overcap is overrated

[turbid bay]

outside of bladestorm you should avoid

[sullen dove]

enchants + hit buttons more often/know when boss moves so you are able to react to it and can get to them faster

[whole yacht]

i quite literally never watch my rage

[sullen dove]

as for mugzee like those cages suck sure but you still have something to hit

its maybe like 5ish seconds of not hitting something

[dull cliff]

I want to fix this so much, but in the heat of the moment like handling screw ups or moving to pop a bomb, or baiting jails on mugzee I lose focus on pressing buttons and more on not killing the raid.

[turbid bay]

i mean yeah sure if your comfy on the class this is for zal

[plush zephyr]

I used a rage meter for awhile, then asked myself do I really need this? Turns out I don’t

[modest condor]

yeah just press rampage when it lights up

[whole yacht]

i havent played tihs shit spec before this xpac since bfa

i wouldnt call myself "comfy" on it

[dull cliff]

I should be comfortable on Warrior, I think I have like 1 year /played on it since I started in cataclysm. But, I think its very much a my brain problem.

[plush zephyr]

Fury isn’t a shit spec dawg

[whole yacht]

its pretty shit

its fun

but its pretty shit

[plush zephyr]

It is fun

[turbid bay]

are you running a weak aura to track your cds?

[plush zephyr]

Yeah

[dull cliff]

People say anything is shit that isn't top DPS

[plush zephyr]

Okay I agree pretty shit

[dull cliff]

People call no mover havoc DH shit, I think its fine.

[plush zephyr]

why do I have to try sooo hard for sooo little

[dull cliff]

but because its not topping meters its shit.

[whole yacht]

no. it doesnt need to be top dps to not be shit. it needs to be competetively viable in all content to not be shit.

sure. select few can run fury in a 17

[dull cliff]

Pretty sure "competitively viable" only applies to mythic raid and very high m+ which less than 0.1% of the playerbase does.

[whole yacht]

but they will NEVER be as good in that 17 as one of 7 other specs

[whole yacht]

a class can be shit, and viable in easy content. both can be true

[plush zephyr]

I think that’s okay. MMOs have specs that are up and down. Everyone can’t be the best spec, oh well. It’s up and down.

Always has been always will be.

[whole yacht]

if the class is barely capable, or incapable of top end content, its shit. almost every class goes through stages of being shit. thats ok. but denying it isnt good, doesnt make it good.

[dull cliff]

I feel like people have became so competitive and meta hungry it killed the game

Not Blizzard, the players did that

[whole yacht]

if i was meta hungry

i would not be playing fury

[plush zephyr]

I don’t really want a buff I moreso want utility like extra movement or Rallying Cry being more impactful in m+

I mean a buff would be great

But I want more of a tool kit, but not one that makes us a pally

[whole yacht]

being more useful in content, disregarding dmg, would be great

[dull cliff]

Its like people complaining about m+ balance like dorki who is pushing +18s/20s and saying the its becoming a problem. Yes, its going to eventually become a problem in a INFINITLY SCALING game mode.

[modest condor]

you now have extra utility, you still dont get brought because your dps sucks

[whole yacht]

truuuuuuuuueeeeeeeee

[turbid bay]

not true for mage

[dull cliff]

Idk, I've never ran into a problem up to +12 with me being the reason for the run going badly.

[sullen dove]

damage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> utility

[whole yacht]

"cant burst 20+m aoe? get out

[sullen dove]

utility almost never matters all the classes can do all the same shit

aside from a few like giga specific ones

[modest condor]

i bet that if dps warrior did 10% more dps in shadowlands everybody would act like safeguard is the most OP utility any dps spec has access to

[whole yacht]

oh thats because a 12 can still be timed with 2.8m dps

[dull cliff]

I'm never going to play up to +17 where the game is just a key brick simulator because someone accidently missed a single interrupt

[plush zephyr]

I mean whenever warrior does get a buff the rest of the community loses their collective shit it feels like

[dull cliff]

like come on, you want that to not happen till a +25? That just pushes the "viable" statement back key levels.

[whole yacht]

thats quitter talk

[turbid bay]

some people like that and its fine

[plush zephyr]

I mean, if you just communicate a bit pushing is fun.

[turbid bay]

im not someone who really cares about pushing keys but i like clearing the raid as there is some finite goal

[dull cliff]

No that's valueing my sanity talk, why would I want to do something that toxic just to prove I can.

[whole yacht]

its really not that stressful

sure with pugs itll be a nightmare

[plush zephyr]

Tbh the farther up you go the less toxic it gets

[whole yacht]

but if you play with friends its not bad at all

[plush zephyr]

From my experience anyway

[dull cliff]

Bricking an entire key because someone sneezed mid pull and missed an interrupt isn't stressful?

[whole yacht]

if you get stressed because none of the 4 other people can make up for the missed interrupt

by interrupting it themselves

thats on you

and you should talk to the other 4 people about using common sense

[meager yew]

Is there guide or something for Best in slots usage?

[modest condor]

if the possibility of that happening stresses you out then yeah dont do high m+

[dull cliff]

When I'm the tank and I've already used my pummel, storm bolt, and shockwave, and I still get blamed for it, yes it is stressful.

[whole yacht]

dont play with toxic people then

[dull cliff]

People don't care about common sense when the last 20 minutes went to nothing.

[whole yacht]

it literally is that simple. dont let random people influence your mood because they cant use their brain

[dull cliff]

If those exist I would love to meet these competitive non-toxic people.

[whole yacht]

theres NUMEROUS competetive, chill people

[clever iron]

eny one knows can u heroic leap the knock back on mythic sproket?

[whole yacht]

but you need to do keys above 11-12 to meet them

because they arent doing 12's

[whole yacht]

you can leap as it happens, and it cancels out and lands you properly.

[plush zephyr]

There’s discords like Drunk N Disorderly or Casual Friday that you can find people to play with that aren’t toxic. Theres great community’s out there.

[whole yacht]

as far as i know

[dull cliff]

That would require me to break through the slop to get there, I want to improve myself, but you can't force a key up yourself unless your a meta chasing dick that plays the vdh/disc priest/unholy/etc. setup.

[whole yacht]

no, it requires you to branch out and look for communities of high key pushers

[plush zephyr]

Not with that attitude

[turbid bay]

nothing wrong with prot or arms in keys

[dull cliff]

I care about improving myself, but WoW rarely cares about personal self improvement when there are 4 other people that can make that improvement pointless.

[turbid bay]

you dont need to play vengence or unholy

[dull cliff]

You're right, but you also don't get to play the game if you don't.

[turbid bay]

in my experience have not many issues getting into groups as prot

[whole yacht]

top 50 run

no dh, no priest, no dk

[dull cliff]

The amount of times I've been rejected from keys because I wasn't VDH when I tank or one of the 3 holy trinity of DPS specs when 'm on arms or fury is insanely high.

[modest condor]

1.5 hours

[clever belfry]

Also not in time

[modest condor]

monkaHmm

[clever belfry]

👑

[plush zephyr]

They spent an insane amount of effort making delves and the m+ system the way it is to literally give us “self improvement” pretty easily

[whole yacht]

top 50 run, +19 key

[plush zephyr]

And then the vault

[whole yacht]

i didnt say its timed

[modest condor]

1.5 hours

[whole yacht]

i said its a top 50 run

[dull cliff]

Like they said, you can wait and hero every pull doesn't mean its in time AKA matters.

[modest condor]

you can go into a +19 and do it with any spec combo in 1.5 hours

[dull cliff]

The fact that your counter arguement is to show an untimed +19 is such a bad faith arguement.

[whole yacht]

okay heres an untimed run with your "meta comp" also top 50

[modest condor]

they have so many good runs and you decided to show the 1 hour overtime meme run

[whole yacht]

its literally their only run in the top 50 leaderboard my dude

[dire vigil]

They qualified for the MDI with a complete non-meta group

[remote bobcat]

most competitive non-toxic people play in guild groups or similar. Less so in pugs. Don't forget that the silent majority gets overshadowed by the loud minority.

[turbid bay]

i mean yeah in a group of 5 people one person getting angry is still the minority

[dull cliff]

Mhm I know, I try to run with my guild when I can, but due to personal life things I have to pug most of the time due to being on basically on and off from 10AM till midnight usually, so if I want to do a m+ at like 1PM everyone is at work or doing something else.

So I basically have to pug it.

[dull cliff]

I feel like an exception doesn't make a rule. If one group does something WAY outside then norm and 49 other groups do it not that way that means either that group "has something to prove" or just want to be different.

[remote bobcat]

lets not forget that noxiv gets vastly outperformed in their average keys (and its not even his fault since he's absolutely goated at m+ fury)

[dull cliff]

At the end of the day, this all comes down to the fact that people act like they are all liquid/echo, MDI level players, 99.99% of people aren't and never will be.

So the average player follows the meta because it causes the least chance of failure.

[turbid bay]

it happens in all games, generally the meta from the top players drives what other people pick and play

[remote bobcat]

nah its not even that, ngl. People just feel better when stable controllable factors get improved

[turbid bay]

its not just wow

[dull cliff]

Well yea, but no one puts in the other half of that, the high level people play the meta because they have the skill to exploit the meta fully. Almost no other players can do that.

I almost feel like meta is more harmful than helpful in any game.

[remote bobcat]

It's the natural law

even outside of games

[dull cliff]

Its not like random unholy DK people in like +12-+17s are properly timing blood beast explosions then instantly popping meld to drop the basically gaurenteed threat pull to not insta-die

that's just not happening.

But people who have no idea how to use it, use it anyway, die, and brick keys.

[remote bobcat]

thats called a bad player

[dull cliff]

So most people who play games.

[remote bobcat]

they are bad whether they play uhdk or ret

or whatever

like yea sure they follow the meta cause its fotm

but they are bad either way

[dull cliff]

Most people who play games are not good, I'm one of them, I'm trying to improve, but my age and general ability to process information is reducing as i get older.

so I get worse, its the people that think they will forever be god's gift to gaming because they had insane ego or mental are the problem.

Disc Priests make the game more enjoyable? Oh my "higher skill" holy pally isn't being meta or picked cry cry cry

[remote bobcat]

i cannot lie, i dont agree with your take

like at all

You're seeing this way too black and white

[dull cliff]

After gaming online since 2006 I may be jaded, but people who say they are good or lose because something isn't balanced are just people with egos and have something to prove.

[remote bobcat]

There are people, me included, who give others a chance. But the same people, me included, will also get frustrated at someone who appears good (score, parses, anything similar, really) yet they clearly underperform for what they're showing me.

[remote bobcat]

People generally don't like their time being wasted. That shouldn't be very hard to understand.

[dull cliff]

I don't anymore, I'm trying to play the best I can, but it not good enough anymore and I'm tired of seeing people who think they are god, but are equal to me act like toxic people

[dull cliff]

I don't like my time being wasted by people who talk a big game but can't back it up, and that's a lot more common than my mentality i think.

[remote bobcat]

if someones all bark no bite then yeah they have ego complexes

no question about that lol

[dull cliff]

I feel like that's a majority in today's online gaming environment. Its like people are afraid to accept they may not be MDI, Dota Internation, CSGO pro, etc. level players.

[remote bobcat]

I feel you're playing with assholes.

shrug

[whole yacht]

^

[remote bobcat]

ive had a lovely time

especially in pugs

all throughout the expansion

since s1

[whole yacht]

ive only ever experienced what youre complaining about in very rare occassions in pugs around +9-10 level

[dull cliff]

I try to find people that aren't, but its hard when you're the "all blame lies with it" role of tank.

[whole yacht]

outside of that, most very lovely people

[dull cliff]

I had a shaman say "learn to route" in a +7 motherload when I came back to the game a couple weeks ago. We were in the process of timing the key np.

[remote bobcat]

I tanked 90% of my keys in season 1. people complained about my tanking while i was learning it week 2 of season 1. And only in like 3 keys.

Never since.

[dull cliff]

he links a route, leaves the group and hearths.

[remote bobcat]

In fact, ive only gotten compliment whispers.

[dull cliff]

I've gotten that approximately once

Every other time its "learn to route," "play vdh," "don't tank" etc.

I literally had a warlock leave because I didn't want to take a specific skip they wanted to.

[whole yacht]

are you sure youre not a bad tank? XD idk what else to say man, ive never seen people be as mean as often as youre saying they are to you

[turbid bay]

yeah i tanked season 1 a fair bit any i had similar experience to kronzo

[remote bobcat]

you might just be the problem.

I dont want to say you are, but you might be

[turbid bay]

some of the messages are really nice rarely get that as a dps

[remote bobcat]

the world isnt as shit as you make it out to be

[dull cliff]

I mean idk what you want from me, I try to follow guides, routes from raider.io, etc.

[whole yacht]

if you constantly get the same response, with different people. the only common denominator is you.

[dull cliff]

I try to make it painless as possible to others.

[whole yacht]

the only time groups are NEAR as bad as youre describing. is mid season 2's

from my experience

[dull cliff]

But if anything goes wrong, some dps slings an arcane orb into another pack i'm not prepared for? "Why didn't you grab those mobs before they killed me?"

[whole yacht]

people stuck in 2's are WILD

[remote bobcat]

that type of dps ignorance only happens in low keys. you can and should ignore them.

[modest condor]

im pretty sure at this point anything below max reward is the wild west

[dull cliff]

I guess it depends on what you mean by low, I'm doing 9s and 10s to get reps in and build confidence.

[whole yacht]

i mean, yeah they suck for that, its a terrible time, but you should still try to pick them up and live.

if you ignored them and just let the dude die, now hes dead, and they are still in combat with you

[remote bobcat]

i played with my friend who came back to wow earlier today. he's 638 ilvl. He tanked +10 motherlode as BDK and we +2'd it np. I didnt even tell him detailed information. He simply used the general routing ideas i gave him and went with it.

he is not very good at processing information.

[dull cliff]

I do believe me, I heroic leap over if I have to, challenging shout/thunderclap, etc. but that sometimes results in my getting hit in the back because I can't shieldblock and I die and its my fault we wiped for trying to save an unaware dps.

[remote bobcat]

If he can, you can too

[turbid bay]

pop a shield wall or something

or last stand

[dull cliff]

30% max hp isn't going to save me from non-blocking hits.

[turbid bay]

shield wall will

[whole yacht]

dont leap. charge. pick them up. leap out and kite till you stabilize

[dull cliff]

40% DR won't save me from spells.

[whole yacht]

walls will

[modest condor]

just block that person

[whole yacht]

that too ^

never play with that dude again

[remote bobcat]

picking up an ass-pull by a mage dps should never kill a tank while trying to collect, I'd only say the tank should die due to the high consistent damage coming in due to the nature of having to tank a shitton of mobs

[turbid bay]

battle scarred vet is also great and perfectly viable safety net for mistakes

[remote bobcat]

^

[turbid bay]

even a tank trinket

like mud or bomb suit

[remote bobcat]

legit dont run ravager unless you're hyper confident

[dull cliff]

I have it happen to me on vdh or bdk. It very rarely happens on my warrior, but it does occasionally.

[remote bobcat]

as prot

[dull cliff]

Also I don't have those trinkets, I'm using piecemeal gear the best I can coming into the season 3-4 weeks late.

[remote bobcat]

Not sure how that would ever happen, do you click your spells with your mouse ?

[tepid cedar]

we post these dubs everydayyy LOL silly 10 rook, and since we never on top we gots to share lolz

[remote bobcat]

W day 1 logs

[whole yacht]

was that ww asleep?

[tepid cedar]

haha

[dull cliff]

You run it with collosus because of no synergy with spear. Also, I have it on a cursor macro its not exactly difficult to time or use.

[modest condor]

looks like a boost

[tepid cedar]

dude was 617

yea

[whole yacht]

oh true. i didnt look

[tepid cedar]

im jsut getting my crests

[whole yacht]

at ilvl

[turbid bay]

wtf

hey paying for a boost?

[tepid cedar]

nah jsut a rando

[turbid bay]

haha

[forest owl]

its ok the monk served his purpose

[whole yacht]

so i change my statement

was he dead?

[agile swallow]

Hey. Why is it, that after the new update, i can no longer see my enrage timer, ww stacks etc. above my hp bar? And does anyone know if it can be enabled again?

[remote bobcat]

ravager is not better than BSV.

at least not for you

[turbid bay]

i have been off prot a bit this season

but they most definitely always run ravager

they drop indom

for bsv

[remote bobcat]

ravager isnt needed at all

[dull cliff]

only mountain thanes run spear.

[turbid bay]

i mean sure its not need but indom is just worse

after they nerfed

and with less rage gen that prot gets after thane nerfs

[remote bobcat]

lamby

[dull cliff]

tell that to almost every guide for collosus prot warrior on hhe net.

[remote bobcat]

ravager has close to no threat generation

[turbid bay]

its not just threat gen

[remote bobcat]

and we are talkin about someone dying

the dmg is irrelevant

[turbid bay]

its dmg and rage gen for ip

its more for excess rage for ip

[dull cliff]

yea to keep the max amount up.

[remote bobcat]

revenge spam is what keeps ip up

rav is dogshit

it's something we take for low target situations

[smoky vale]

nah kronzo

rav is bonkers

[remote bobcat]

where we dont have a lot of rage

rav is complete dog on prot

[smoky vale]

nono

that shit cranks

[dull cliff]

Maybe for fury. But not for prot.

[turbid bay]

all the top players are running it

again just saying

[smoky vale]

it sucks low target count

[remote bobcat]

yea cause vet isnt needed

[turbid bay]

they run vet

[remote bobcat]

good players dont need vet

[turbid bay]

as well

[remote bobcat]

no

[dull cliff]

Its one of my main sources of damage after my main skills

[remote bobcat]

or well

they dont need both vet and indom

thats my point

[turbid bay]

they drop indom

for vet

cause it just overheals and doesnt do much

[smoky vale]

nah indom is good

bsv is ehh

[turbid bay]

bsv is a safety net

[dull cliff]

Anyway, maybe this will kind of elude to something idk. Sure my weapon is 675 on my prot, but I do the same if not more dps on my prot warrior than I do on my fury.

[smoky vale]

everytime bsv pops its me egoing or turning my back

[turbid bay]

uhh thats a problem

if your fury is doing less then prot

[remote bobcat]

yea they dont need both

[dull cliff]

Which makes me think its a comfortableness thing then mainly?

[remote bobcat]

they dont even go ravager consistently btw

cuz of how shit it is

[dull cliff]

I can play prot with my eyes closed, but not fury or arms

[remote bobcat]

they just go for bloodsurge, thunderlord or similar

[turbid bay]

eh i mean looking over it, its about half

[remote bobcat]

more like 30%

[turbid bay]

yeah ill give ya that

[dull cliff]

Anyway, I appriciate all the advice I've been given but I've heard it over and over and no matter how much I try to implement it, I just can't. I guess I'll just give up on heroic raiding.

[turbid bay]

but it is used

[remote bobcat]

Listen man, most people don't even know what they should do to maximize their demolish value as prot

[smoky vale]

true

[turbid bay]

oh god

[whole yacht]

bruh

[remote bobcat]

or you could just put in more effort into improving than you have thus far.

[turbid bay]

hitting some dummies could help a lot, i used to hit dummies for hours even warming up before raid practicing opener

over and over

[dull cliff]

I and have been for a long time, the raid last night just made me realize no matter how long and how I practice and try to improve I just can't. Happened to me in League of Legends, use to be mid plat in seasons 1-6ish, then i've steadily dropped every seasons to where I struggle to stay in silver now.

[turbid bay]

till i was completely comfortable

[whole yacht]

brother

maybe warrior isnt for you anymore

[remote bobcat]

As ive showed you in your log in review post, you dont even have the basic fury opener down. Something that i personally look up for every class i play. thats like the very first thing i do when trying to learn a spec.

You say you have been trying yet i dont see it

[unreal onyx]

or you practice "wrong"

[dull cliff]

Its the easiest class in the game from my perspective.

if so i need to stop playing wow.

[remote bobcat]

ret

[turbid bay]

ret? bm hunter?

[plush zephyr]

Could go mm hunter it’s like 4 buttons and does more damage than us and gets insta invited cause of lust @dull cliff

Or go bm Hunter and that’s like 2 buttons

[dull cliff]

This may sound weird, but I put up better numbers in marks than I do BM.

[whole yacht]

hunter is by far easier

[whole yacht]

he legit said play mm first

[sour frigate]

Bm is harder

[plush zephyr]

It’s not. Especially Slayer and procs

[remote bobcat]

clueless~1

[smoky vale]

idk you need to learn how to learn and practice

[remote bobcat]

THIS^

[plush zephyr]

Yeah that’s honestly the funnest thing about wow to me.

Getting better.

[sour frigate]

Mm is free details gaming

[turbid bay]

again just hit dummies i have the opener on my second screen and just do it over and over till i get completely comfortable

[plush zephyr]

Whether it’s another spec, class, prog, m+ io whatever.

[remote bobcat]

general gaming skill is transferable for a reason. People who are good at one game are VERY OFTEN good at other games too, and it's not a natural born talent.

[turbid bay]

i do that with every class that i play cause i don't want to drag my raid group down

[plush zephyr]

You’d be a good fps player

[remote bobcat]

+1

[dull cliff]

It use to be to me, but trying to practice in the heat of the fight, I can't, my mind gets overloaded and I start missing CDs and button presses.

[unreal onyx]

just don't play any other class or even spec

that is kinda what practice is for

[turbid bay]

i improve myself because i don't want to be dead weight for my group

[unreal onyx]

get better with consistency

[plush zephyr]

That’s why you go to dummies and play your class till you become a near expert in the rotation

[turbid bay]

and someone that they want to keep and bring along

[dull cliff]

I can sit and hit that dummy for hours, the second I need to move for a mechanic? My brain shuts off in terms of pressing dps buttons.

[remote bobcat]

Listen Zal all we're saying is that you say you put up the effort but you're not seeing any results and the only reason for that, if you actually are putting in the effort, is you using the wrong method for learning and practicing.

[plush zephyr]

It’s actually incredible how kind everyone has been

[remote bobcat]

hitting that dummy for hours with the optimal opener up on your screen will at least teach you how to do the optimal opener

[smoky vale]

realistically all of those hours of hitting the dummy your probably retained 20% of that

because there is no way you cant do it after hitting for hours

theres a step missing

[remote bobcat]

just hitting a dummy blindly isnt improving jackshit, you have to hit the dummy with a specific goal in mind

otherwise ur just griefing ur own time

kekW

[unreal onyx]

you need to literally be able to do the rotation blind no matter what happens around you

[remote bobcat]

^

[whole yacht]

i cant do that i click

[unreal onyx]

in raid/m+ your only focus should be on mechanics and not what buttons to press

[plush zephyr]

Yup

[dull cliff]

I got timed out because I used one "bad word" directly at myself.

[plush zephyr]

The moment it clicks, and you’re stunning something 10 yds away with a hammer while interrupting something else and doing dps. Feels good.

You’ll get it Zal.

Maybe.

[dull cliff]

That's the problem idk if its something wrong with my brain or what, but when mechanics happen I literally hyper focus so hard I stop pressing buttons all together.

[whole yacht]

i also cant do that, i click

[dull cliff]

This doesn't happen on prot, but I've been playing prot for literally 15 years.

[plush zephyr]

Knowing the trash is as important as knowing the boss

[remote bobcat]

its lack of practice.

[whole yacht]

i click

[remote bobcat]

we're trying to tell you that you need to develop muscle memory.

[plush zephyr]

Click me

[remote bobcat]

muscle memory is developed through practice.

[plush zephyr]

What

[dull cliff]

Is it lack of practice if it happens in all parts of my life, not just gaming?

[remote bobcat]

Yes.

black out syndrome is prevented by practice

[turbid bay]

its practice for sure

[dull cliff]

I didn't want to go into personal details, but yea, it happens in all forms of things i do in my life. From cooking, to driving, to anything.

[remote bobcat]

you may just have to practice more.

[turbid bay]

its like paralysis of analysis

[remote bobcat]

more than others

[whole yacht]

in all seriousness though. i do click all my buttons. its really fun

[plush zephyr]

There’s someone out there that fucks up way mooore than you

[whole yacht]

have you seen a doctor?

[remote bobcat]

cow

[whole yacht]

could be something medical

[whole yacht]

whut

[unreal onyx]

clicking buttons is diabolical

(I click a few aswell)

[whole yacht]

its fun to click everything

[dull cliff]

I'm not saying I am worse than other people with issues, I'm just trying to rationalize how I can't seem to get better at something I've done for 15 years and being in a situation with others who clearly don't have this problem and have played for a lot less time don't.

[unreal onyx]

but no standard roational ones

[whole yacht]

its a challenge when the mechanics are not

[remote bobcat]

idk about your country's situation but in my country beginner drivers arent allowed to drive on the streets without supervision until they've developed a shitton of muscle memory being able to conquer most public road situations based on intuition alone.

Shrug

[whole yacht]

ive played this game since 2007

[dull cliff]

I mean I have a lot of weird problems, its probably just not one where I've been tested for yet.

[turbid bay]

lots of people here have been playing games for 15 years as well

[remote bobcat]

People who suck at something while putting in the effort to learn generally don't know how to learn efficiently

[dull cliff]

Its just frustrating seeing something I play daily basis for weeks or months at a time, I get a friend to play WoW, within 2 weeks he's much better than I have ever been. Makes me feel like a mentally damage idiot.

[whole yacht]

everyone learns slightly differently. taking what guides say at face value, and not applying the information in a way that works for you, will result in the inability to learn the information.

[remote bobcat]

You could be. You genuinely could be. Or you might just not be putting in effort into a properly efficient method of learning

[dull cliff]

That is such a nebulous thing to me, "learn effeciently" sounds like a politically correct way to downplay someone who just isn't that intelligent. Not all people are created equally, never have been.

[remote bobcat]

no im being deadass.

i had to learn how to learn

[tidal kindle]

[remote bobcat]

it took me years

[obsidian brook]

Finally hit 3k M+ score on Fury 😊