fury

[fair thistle]

and yeah st or oae

[manic swift]

aoe mythic dungeons

[smoky vale]

bc you can sim 1 target or 5

[radiant plank]

Just sim 1t 3min and then 5-8t 40s

[warm crag]

10 targets 10 minutes

[manic swift]

patchwerk 10 target 10 min?

[smoky vale]

hi spongie

look at this

[radiant plank]

Spongie noo

[warm crag]

I am fooling yoz

Listen to what Walhe said or just sim st

[warm crag]

Hello dog

[smoky vale]

i timed a 14 dfc todsy

me when i have to tank

[compact siren]

Rude to call someone that

You little rat man

[warm crag]

Hello dog

[manic swift]

Dawn/Duskthread Lining Uptime is set to 60%?

[warm crag]

Set it to what you think is reasonable

Can Look at log/details uptime

[manic swift]

okay, according to details 73%

[jolly oyster]

Is Mechano core worth taking? It's simming pretty bad

[manic swift]

i want to craft charged claymore, replacing woven duskthread with ascendance, but looks like it would be dps loss

i would expect replacing my off-hand 665 offhand with 675 i would be stronger

[livid rose]

678 signet simming better than 665 lens option from vault, but plenty of comments in this discord saying signet sucks, go with lens?

[sour frigate]

Signet sucks cuz doesnt allign with avatar

[smoky vale]

how much would you gain by using crests that would go to signet on other pieces

[flat river]

Gio they won't believe me 😭

They think we're the same person

[dry pendant]

Yeah, I saw it with a new droptimizer sim, dps raised up.

[sullen dove]

cluegi

[compact siren]

You are

[sand crest]

a lot of warriors in the 15+ key range are trading one point in deft experience for either bloodborne or UF, thoughts on this?

im more in the 12-14 range

[sour frigate]

Doesnt matter

[tired root]

guys why is Pacemaker trinket good for fury it procs crit, isnt crit our worst stat overal?

[sour frigate]

Fury is not good now

Warrior is fine with all stats especially if they re consistent

[tired root]

ooo okok, i got in vault simmed highest so i took but was curious, also ye fury legit feels like swinging 2 big overcooked spaghetti

incredible how week it feels, i am mashing like crazy 669 ilvl and legit feels like crap

thn log my mm alt and khm khm

[sour frigate]

[tired root]

and i legit i find mm way easier to play at least for my wrist..

[barren dagger]

If i catalyst an item with a socket or avoidance, do i lose it?

[dry dragon]

Nah u keep it

[chrome plover]

does anyone know if there's an expression to set eye of kezan to 20 stacks in a sim

[clever belfry]

100t17s imo

crazy rawr value

[heavy galleon]

How is the patch for us ? After our big buff

[eternal compass]

What buff

[pale zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/restraint-no-restraint-hold-me-back-gif-16998216399154426467

[barren dagger]

At least we got a 40s cd pushback stun

[low folio]

Thinking about it, I think arms is stronger than fury even in 5 target cleave at least when I do the 5 target dummy in game

[lucid plover]

4 whole sparks available by now?

[cyan turtle]

hi guys, got a question about warcraftlogs, so after logging using livelog, on my character it gets updated, but on my girlfriends character it dosent, anyone got an idea as of why that happens?

[gaunt anvil]

quick question, is there any point in M+ that we are gonna use a Heavy Versa ring like this one, or just stick to Jastor + Circe?

[south kayak]

How many sparks we at

[sour frigate]

4.5 ig

[south kayak]

right ty

[chrome plover]

link log

[paper iron]

Weapon ilvl over stats most likely correct? Currently using H polearm and have my crafted max 2h already

[cyan turtle]

i think we figured it out, she used mrt log to upload

[cyan turtle]

sim brother

[paper iron]

Yeah gonna have someone later today go over simming with me, feel like I'm cooked into taking the weapon but was just trying to pick people's brains if they're up having coffee

[chrome plover]

if you have a crafted mian hand it's still probably worth taking and just moving crafted to offhand

[cyan turtle]

it the increase is minimal and u can get around the same from the other stuff, take the other things i would say if u already crafted

[chrome plover]

it'll be better than a socket or any other items

unless ur trinkets are turbo bad

(well maybe not turbo bad, priory is okay, but there's a lot of better options)

[paper iron]

Trinkets are either H mech. Core/house of cards (normal) both maxed. Did try out using last using my H pacemaker trinket with my core to see how it was

Also is siren ring still worth to get? I've just been so fucking lazy to run for it

[chrome plover]

yes

[paper iron]

Guess i got homework

[chrome plover]

jastor + 665 ring doesnt beat it for me

but jastor + 678 ring does

[paper iron]

Yeah currently using these rings

Thank you gents!

[chrome plover]

you'd have to sim that too tbh

but signet will probs slightly win

not a huge deal thought i'd imagine

[modest hollow]

what is better upgrade

[hollow elk]

run sims.

[chrome plover]

it's for sure the trinket when those are your trinkets

[stoic loom]

Yeah your trinkets are awful

Should prob farm delves for lens/energy drink/mechano core

[hollow elk]

id just farm delves/m+ tbh

[thick fossil]

I'm still rocking champion trinkets for fury, cause Delves, Vault, and raid have had zero luck for me.

House of cards went to someone that had the champion version of house of cards. I was a little annoyed.

[plucky ice]

typical

[sour frigate]

a clown refused to sell me normal hoc for 600k

[chrome plover]

chad

[chilly fractal]

Kinda gross you’d even offer that

[dense elbow]

You paying for their time, 600k is a bit lowballing it. 1m would be more fair.

[dense elbow]

[whole yacht]

Delusional if anyone thinks their time in a normal raid is worth 1m gold

[dense elbow]

Fair, 2m is cloer to it.

[whole yacht]

Closer to 500k

[dense elbow]

5kk, aight

[whole yacht]

Delulu

[fading sky]

Hmm i gotta start doing bandir

To sell hox

[gilded pawn]

1m is a days worth of wages for some people

[earnest canyon]

yeah like me

[sour frigate]

i farmed 2 mill gold just to buyout stuff from raid 1st week

[earnest canyon]

how? and how long did it take? Literally just gathering?

[sour frigate]

boosting keys and raid

[earnest canyon]

im always poor as fuck because i only gather as I fly over

aaaaaaaah

]yeah much better way

what sorta rio/riad progress do you need for that?

im 2.85k and 2/8 mythic lmao

maybe i can boost normal

[gilded pawn]

Boosting raid is easier if in a guild

Boosting m+ you just need to be fast

In finding customers

[earnest canyon]

yeah my guild is a 2 night a week guild so we dont have time for boosting....its a very small roster too

Also it will be like "boostees, please dont leave, we will get gally this time I swear!" (6th try)

[chrome plover]

bad boost runs are the worst

for everybody

[gilded pawn]

My friends guild is 2n/wk with an “optional” boosting night for 3rd

[gilded pawn]

Yeah

Also embarrassing as hell lol

[steel igloo]

wiping in hc week 6 though

[earnest canyon]

Yeah im only memeing, we are way too casual to boost lmao

[chrome plover]

also on the buying raid loot, saying "x mil is worth" is insane

their value is literally just run to run who is willing to pay what

[earnest canyon]

yeah the only time ive bought loot is in classic because I did boost in that and had a lot of gold

[chrome plover]

some raids someone will buy a normal trinket for 2m, some raids 50k

[fading sky]

Facts🤣

[earnest canyon]

thankfully I already did all the content in vanilla, but on tbc classic, when the legendary bow dropped I thought I had it in the bag on a hunter, and some warrior paid 50k for it lmao

i thought he was joking

[fading sky]

U can snipe bosses though

[candid falcon]

its orange :)

[earnest canyon]

50k for a stat stick

and he just uses it to ull

pull

[fading sky]

Seems fair

[chrome plover]

you can buy gold with irl money in both games

[fading sky]

That is a lot of classic gold

[gilded pawn]

Some people have more money than others

[chrome plover]

some people have enough irl money where that is nothing to them

[earnest canyon]

thats the worst thing about classic: its not like vanilla at all.....
loads of iranians doing boosting "how much gold you have? what item you buy???"

like why would i tell how much gold i have so you can get ur friends to bid me up

[chrome plover]

and some people have just had multiple gold caps for years and their gold is basically never going down

[earnest canyon]

yeah this ^^

[chrome plover]

someone in a guild i raided in had like 147m or something and would just buy anything anybody needed

[earnest canyon]

LOL

[chrome plover]

pity he was a dick, would be a handy friend to keep in touch with

[earnest canyon]

sadly most people that have loads of gold or sometimes, are very very good players, are kinda dicks

seems to go with the terroritory

[chrome plover]

he was not a very good player

[earnest canyon]

😄

well at least he had gold

[fading sky]

He was a very good player

At makin g no?

[chrome plover]

well I have no idea where he got it from

but i guess so

[earnest canyon]

buying? everyone seems to buy gold in classic, it sucks

[gilded pawn]

5k euros worth of gold

Is crazy

[chilly fractal]

Oh wait it was first week and not like today?

That’s more understandable

[earnest canyon]

some people see that as value lol....but usually the people that do spend it cant really afford it....

However look at star citizen....they have like $40k packages, which THEN give you access to some Admiral lounge that lets you spend even more on exclusive ships

its nuts to me

[astral stag]

Whats the easiest way to get valorstones?

[earnest canyon]

do the daily quests I guess? They take like 5mins

[lime crag]

Play the game

[earnest canyon]

nearly everything gives them

dungeons? chests?

[chilly fractal]

Do you have radiant echos in your bags from bountiful delves?

[astral stag]

yes

[runic acorn]

Worldsoul memories are the best way to get valorstones

Very quick

[astral stag]

ah litty

[earnest canyon]

oh didnt think of those

u wanna do 5 radiant "hard mode" though right?

[runic acorn]

That takes the least time yeah, 5 at a time

[gilded pawn]

People become big spenders once they stop thinking that this is real money

[chrome plover]

once it's gold it's not real money anymore

[earnest canyon]

Some people are also just degenerates and this is all they do

[chrome plover]

unless ur a seller

like when i spend money on poe currency for mtx

once i have those coins

they are no longer real money

and i dont need to feel bad about spending them

[earnest canyon]

It always makes me sad how popular it is in the nordics, because they have some of the most amazing scenery in the world. But it seems very easy to live off benefits, spend minimal on food, and then the rest on wow

[gilded pawn]

That’s a ronin x take

[chilly fractal]

Someone was trying to get me to pay 500k for a LFR Jastor… like hell

[earnest canyon]

i have known a Norwegian and a Swede for 7+ years from that literally do this. They are very good players, I just dont get why they hate outside

tbf one was in a construction accident, and the other has some sort of anxiety/ptsd

i dont ask too much, not my business

[chilly fractal]

Where in Norway do they live because going outside a significant part of the year in certain parts of the country is a bit rough

[gilded pawn]

^

[earnest canyon]

one lives far north in norway, idk exactly where, ive never met them....other dude is south sweden somewhere

[gilded pawn]

Too cold

[earnest canyon]

oh i get that

[gilded pawn]

But yeah there are strong social safety nets in Europe

Also why some of the best gamers come from Europe

[chilly fractal]

Far north Norway… I don’t think there’s any thought that needs to go into that mystery

[earnest canyon]

ive been to all 5 nordic countries either for vacation or work.....lovely places

[chilly fractal]

I’ve been to Norway once… I would love to get back there one day…

[earnest canyon]

sadly I was there for work 😦

got to see only center of oslo

[chilly fractal]

I was there to settle the estate of my great aunt

[earnest canyon]

oh nice

[chilly fractal]

So you prolly still had a better time than I

[earnest canyon]

well by "nice" i meant, great aunt sounds not very close so free $$$$

maybe i over reached, my bad

[chilly fractal]

There was no free $

She was like 100 and lived on a remote island, house with no electricity or modern plumbing/water

Well the island wasn’t really remote but it felt like it

[earnest canyon]

Wow.....that sounds idyllic.....sort of.....

If I ever won the lottery id like to live in a ranch house in northern canada in the middle of nowhere, but id need running water and 1gbit fibre....get groceries air dropped a few times a year 🤣

[chilly fractal]

Yea I have no idea how she got food

[earnest canyon]

foraging?

vegetable garden?

My sister is vegan and grows a lot of her own food

[chilly fractal]

She was like 100 near the end so… idk if she was still doing that

[earnest canyon]

maybe she lived off channeling her chakra

but yeah, no clue

[chilly fractal]

Maybe I’ll make it back over there in the next couple years

[earnest canyon]

you should

[thick fossil]

Gonna agree with @chilly fractal, that's kinda insane.

[sour frigate]

tbh i bought agi mythic weapon for 500k

[warm crag]

Maybe you are the clown

But it is ok

[strong hazel]

Ehhhh

deepnds on the rent tbf

and if he is getting a mortgage or buying it upfront

[dense elbow]

500k? Add another k to that k, and you got a fair deal

[earnest canyon]

500kk?

or 501k

[dense elbow]

yes

[chrome plover]

dont go adding too many ks

[dense elbow]

[earnest canyon]

[plush zephyr]

Getting into higher keys

Yall running Bitter Immunity?

[earnest canyon]

whats a "higher" key?

[orchid dagger]

Pretty sure it depends on if you need the debuff removal it cleanses for pve

Like if the dung says "I poison" you bring it

Or just play Dwarf lol

[warm crag]

Pvper

[orchid dagger]

I take it in PvP because it's a 20% heal and I don't get the luxury of a tank tauning players

[warm crag]

Taunt should work that way in pvp

[vague sierra]

We don't need the taunt anyways. We're not ripping aggro from anyone.

[chrome plover]

threat should work in pvp

forced to target the highest threat enemy

[whole yacht]

No. That would be disgusting

[fair swallow]

Being forced to attack a prot pally bubble

[quiet python]

is there any reason to take the cape?

or is the crafted bis cloak just better

[plush zephyr]

14 on, was asking for the to see if the 20% heal was worth

was looking at some furys around 2.5k and I saw a couple pick it up

[past pivot]

What do the sims say?

[quiet python]

that the cape is better by a long mile but wont i vendor it later on when i can craft the concecrated cloak?

or is it bad to think like that

[earnest canyon]

i should know this as ive done so many, but i usually get trash

do delvers bounties give heroic gear at an 11

?

its always:
do delve, bags full of shit, sell it all

[warm crag]

It is probably bad

[warm crag]

No only map and weekly

[earnest canyon]

thats what i meant

the map?

thats heroic right

seems to be from googling, and ive done like 100+ delves, i just cant be arsed if i dont get a chance at a HC trinket

[clever path]

are the only times we're meant to press bloodthirst (outside of filler) when the weakaura goes "kaching" and prio over raging blow during execute phase?

[chrome plover]

if it's 8+ the map is heroic gear

from a separate chest to the regular bountiful cache

which you get too

[warm crag]

i dont think it needs to be 8+ anymore but just do it at 8+ anyways lol

[chrome plover]

oh really?

i didnt know that

i just do 3x 11s per week with wave scrambler for quick gilded before raid anyway

quick after work 30 gilded

[earnest canyon]

thought it was that, cheers

[coarse karma]

Is there any reason to not macro avatar and reck together?

[chrome plover]

Occasionally in a key you may wanna send reck without sending avatar

I.e you want avatar in like 40-60s time

[coarse karma]

ah, so situationally for minmaxing in a 12-13?"

[chrome plover]

I have them in a macro and then reck on a separate keybind

[coarse karma]

thank you

[chrome plover]

I wouldn’t say a specific key level but basically yea

sometimes in a weekly 10 I’ll send reck without ava

[spring torrent]

Hey a quick question. Do you think its worth to take myth Pacemaker from vault and replace my 658 eye? I simmed it but im not sure if the sim always thinks that the eye is on 20 stacks. i rarely reach 15+ stacks in big pulls

[pale zephyr]

Be like me and play RA and send them always together. 😶

[whole yacht]

100%. Eye is only good on mythic prog bosses

Or long mythic fights

Maybe gallywix on heroic

[spring torrent]

thank you! :)

[sand crest]

I simmed 658 eye earlier today vs funhouse lens and pacemaker 1t 5mins and 1t 3mins, 1.2% upgrade on 5min sim and 1.5% downgrade in 3min sim

if the fight isnt at least 5-6mins eye is pretty bad

and its rare you get to keep your stacks from pack to pakc in m+

[chrome plover]

pretty sure the sim gains stacks at set intervals

in reality it’s much more erratic

I sometimes have 20 stacks in 2 mins

[slim coral]

anyone know how to get bigwigs like this?

[opal monolith]

i get some crazy different results between dungeon slice and 5t 1m30/ 5t5m how do u even decide

[radiant plank]

You ignore the non optimzed sim (dsclice)

[past pivot]

You don't dungeon slice

[clever path]

i've read in a few places to use one charge of raging blow, then prio bloodthirst when target is >35% health. but the wowhead guide says to use bloodthirst over RB always at that health. which one is correct?

[slim coral]

prio bloodthirst when boss hits 35

[crystal radish]

What is the best option to sim?

I do mostly M+

Tought dungeon slice was the best method

[modest condor]

you mean <35%?
The guide is written to be a bit more casual friendly so it just tells you to prioritise bt over rb below 35% but there's a small optimisation to be made with regards to bt crit chance

[clever path]

i did mean that, sorry :P. what small optimization is that? is there anywhere i can see these sort of things?

[modest condor]

bt when it's above 40% crit chance

and there's a weakaura in #dps-faq that lights up when you want to press bt

[dense elbow]

As what we bring is prio dam, and our AoE is kinda... meh, and partly hand in hand with ST either way... just do 1t 5min, and if you are curious, a 5t 5min sim to see if there are gigantic differences.

[clever path]

i see. i have that weakaura, so to be optimal i still wanna follow it when the target is <35% health, rather than just prioritizing bt every time?

[modest condor]

yes

[crystal radish]

Thank you

[dry talon]

for st and aoe house of cards probably better choice then lock and stalk

[runic wraith]

whats the max Mastery and Haste that you want?

[earnest canyon]

more than 6 but less than 1million

serious answer: you just sim yourself

[chilly fractal]

Don’t concern yourself with trivial things like that

Just follow the robot

Trust the robot

[supple zephyr]

im really struggling to get over 1mill in dps in raids. using the tallents from wowhead. what is wrong? any1 got an idea?

[exotic rose]

What's your ilvl/gear look like trinks etc.

[supple zephyr]

im 656 now

using house of cards and suspicious energy drink now

[exotic rose]

what do your stats look like? Your haste/mastery mainly

[oblique trail]

Brother that's not a stats issue

Are you pressing your abilities

[supple zephyr]

ye

[sour frigate]

1 mil dps in raid

yikes

its low even for s1

[crystal radish]

More versa, you need more versa

[exotic rose]

As someone who was struggling in the early season and is now pushing higher dps stats do matter.

[supple zephyr]

haste 23% mastery 44%

[lilac temple]

I have over 50% mastery I think that's way too much

[exotic rose]

instead of being unhelpful offer insight.

[oblique trail]

Stats matter but not as much as you think they'd do

[sour frigate]

stats dont make u do 50% dps diff from optimal

[past pivot]

No. Transmog matters more. stats will vary according to gear. The big questions are: is he simming and follow sims? enchanted, gemmed, etc? Following rotation, etc?

[oblique trail]

Do you have a log of you doing said 1 million dps

[supple zephyr]

versa is only 6%

[coarse nest]

Stats absolutely matter, but sub 1m dps at 656 is just not pressing abilities properly

[crystal radish]

True

[exotic rose]

He might be running into the problem with Prio that I was in early season

[jovial coral]

Yes I do indeed but I must have left it on a bookshelf somewhere please wait while I go find it

[karmic fiber]

This trinket is pretty much bis on single target right?

[coarse nest]

No hot garbage at quick glance assumed grim codex😂 mb, it’s usable but not bis

Avoid

[exotic rose]

A lot of people hate Hekili I personally dont use Weakauras but it helped me kinda gain a better understanding of what I was doing wrong.

[karmic fiber]

@coarse nest It shows that its second bis on single target behind kezan

[coarse nest]

On bloodmallet?

[supple zephyr]

usin reck. avatar. carge. bloodthirst rampage ragging blow in this order

[karmic fiber]

@coarse nest On the wowhead bis gear trinkets

[warm crag]

its fine but you'd literally only play it on lockenstock

if you want to optimize around that one fight only sure

and its replaced by better options shrug

[exotic rose]

Try out hekili don't use it as a crutch and like hyper focus on it, but a big problem I had in early season I was using BT way too much over RB

[karmic fiber]

@warm crag Was that directed to me?

[warm crag]

ye

[coarse nest]

Idk if I’d waste a vault pick on it personally for one fight optimization

[karmic fiber]

Yeah I have a few ilvl upgrades that I can get instead of it, I guess ill take those

[exotic rose]

You can also try to find some kind of other Priority helper on weakaura or something, that's just the one I personally use.

[supple zephyr]

i will try it out 🙂

[coarse nest]

There’s more technicality to the priority than this

The kaching WAs for sudden death and bloodthirst and practice on a target dummy will go along way

[runic wraith]

ok so back in the day (Wrath) you wanted X% of said stats and then you would move your potions an enchants around to help you achieve that until you got the BIS gear essentially. When yall say trust the ROBOT are ya trolling or is more of a fluid thing now. Also can someone explain vers to me cause i thought that shit was only good for tanks. Ive come an gone from the game alot. so im trying to actually LEARN it now that i can be on regularly

[oblique trail]

We mean it when we say trust raidbots for stats

[coarse nest]

No specific stat breaks anymore, trust robot is the best answer

[oblique trail]

There's no specific amount of stats you want or need, and it all changes based on what gear you have on you at that moment

[exotic rose]

I do have a question for anyone who might know? Why are we taking Berserker's torment in the talent tree and using Reck and Avatar at the same time??

Didn't mean to reply oops

[oblique trail]

Because they both extend each other

They don't overwrite

[exotic rose]

So they stack?

[oblique trail]

yes

[exotic rose]

Crazy ty

[oblique trail]

Titan's Torment as well is also just bad

[runic wraith]

ok trust robot so what is vers doing for us as fury?

[oblique trail]

To add onto it, Versatility is just a generally good stat for anyone

[coarse nest]

Giving you damage and reducing damage you take

[oblique trail]

Makes you do more damage and take less

Nothing more to it

[coarse nest]

Quite literally the tooltip

[runic wraith]

someone explained it as only take less damage for higher tier fights its more essential for stay alive, reading this feed seemed like was doing more than that. Thats why i asked

[oblique trail]

What

[coarse nest]

You cannot obtain enough vers for it to matter

[oblique trail]

What they meant likely is that people stacked Vers before for very high keys in the past

But it's not something you actively stack anymore

It's just something that will always benefit you if you have some

[coarse nest]

In the past it was true for people to stack vers intentionally for some bleeding edge content

This is no longer true

[supple zephyr]

what rotation do u use?

[oblique trail]

Whatever wowhead said

[runic wraith]

ok thank yall for explaining

[iron portal]

Reminder for the Normal Difficulty guild in BFA that forced all raiders to stack, enchant and gem versatility

"it provides dmg done and reduces damage taken"

[gilded pawn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[clever belfry]

multistrike

reforge to multi

[fickle cedar]

not enough armor pen

[orchid dagger]

RIP OG Colossus Smash sending Mages back to Satan same day shipping like FedEx

[young swan]

good comms

[dense fulcrum]

someone know if x2 M+ Vault weapons + 2 duskthread is better than x1 crafted ascension wep + x1 writhing ?

[orchid dagger]

The pve robot does

[young swan]

it only took 1 mythic weapon for me to drop ascension and writhing

[dense fulcrum]

let me check on sim

b4 i had issue with connection

couldnt load the site

[rapid forge]

hm started to play arms in m+ and fury in raid, is it fine to keep getting gear /strats for fury or do you think its too much of a dps los ?

[iron portal]

Dont you love symmetry

By the way, is first boss priory sometimes just .... not doing what it is supposed to?

If he does spear right after stun it always hits me even when i am miles away from him

[modest condor]

yes the spear is buggy af

[iron portal]

Keeps happening every week and frankly , it is just ass

[modest condor]

we have depleted a run to 3 people randomly dying to the spear while not being anywhere near it

[coarse nest]

Fury piping!

[stuck spindle]

any tips on how I should play with BIS? do I pop it after trinkets or before? I have cards aswell

[young swan]

bigger buff (house of cards) first

[stuck spindle]

ok, do you pop it to extend the BIS buff or does it stack if you´ve procced it before

[young swan]

you just use it with your next set of cd's

dont worry about the proc

[dense fulcrum]

can someone explain me why i cant sim the consecreted cloak

it gives me a warning like...only for that item

[stuck spindle]

alright thx!

[eager thorn]

the active n random buff r differetn

[iron portal]

is it possible you are trying to sim 3 Embelished items and you didnt choose non embelished alternative

[dense fulcrum]

i wanna sim if my ascended weapon+writhing is better or worste than 2 mythic vault weapon and 2 duskthread

[forest fiber]

Am I missing something obvious here or are two hero track delve trinkets better than max myth track priory and rick trinkets? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fzcFth3xDcxpB5pjnH1fpW

or at least even enough to make it a socket angle

[iron portal]

Screenshot it and send it here i guess

[dense fulcrum]

https://prnt.sc/Z9DPCBlkxsJf https://prnt.sc/8Mb2O8MonGZi

the back in the first screen is duskthread i fixed it b4sending the screenshot but didnt make another ss lol

[iron portal]

Well I see the problem

Your main hand has only one option

So it will always be Breaker

And then offhand will always be crafted with ascendance

And yo ucant have 3 embelished items at once so it is throwing an error

[dense fulcrum]

so what i need to do

to understsand whats better

between 1 vault weapon 1 crafted ascended + writhing on wrist and 2 m vault weapon + duskthread on cloak and wrist

[iron portal]

Add item to sim without embelishment

To compare

Or with embelishment, up to you

[dense fulcrum]

without embellis doesnt have sense tho i wanna compare that >.<

my warrior brain goes afk when i have to sim stuff ngl

[iron portal]

Just stating

They did make it stupid easy though, you only choose items for yourself...

little + allowys you to choose specfic embelishment

[dense fulcrum]

i did it

u dont understand the issue i have...when i go for the sim, it doesnt show anything

that i choosed

[tired dragon]

i see that sims are the current hot topic. Am I missing something? why will it not let me sim wearing 2 crafted rings at the same time. if i select another ring it wont include any combinations of wearing 2 crafted rings. As far as i know they are not unique equipped

[iron portal]

Did you max out

[tired dragon]

yeah

[iron portal]

@dense fulcrum

[dense fulcrum]

yes

idk

gonna try later maybe

thanks anyway bro

maybe gonna ask to archi

[nocturne oyster]

Hey, any of you know if mister lock-n-stalk is better in mass destruction or precision blasting mode?

[wispy cape]

I’m a (m)ass destruction enjoyer

[young swan]

always precision

if u want to do aoe damage use a different trinket

[dense fulcrum]

what u use at mugzee ? whirlwind or thane build?

[young swan]

slayer

theres an argument to be made to not play cleave at all

[dense fulcrum]

full st slayer right?

cuz cleave seems to do less dmg with ww

[silk wharf]

I see the second set of rings has that red ! next to them. So something about the settings isn't letting you use them in combinations.

[edgy oasis]

So this is the reality of Thane Fury in m+ right now. This is first pull in Priory 13. Included 1 knight and the mini boss about a 12 + strong pack. We pop everything. the Warlock done 460mill to the main target. Fury done 160mill. The 3man premade all left , instantly after most mobs got to 30%.. (Warlock DH and Disc)

Over the course of the key specifically bosses i would have done maybe 2mil to their 1.2mill. Some how fury isnt getting a MT buff.

[silk wharf]

yea, I set max resources, made sure to take care of the gem/enchant conflicts and was able to produce a combo using two crafted rings.

[sullen dove]

i mean to be expected but tbh they mighta been more upset the dev wasnt beating the lock lol

[vale berry]

let me fix the fury spec

WW dam increased by 50%
Thunderclap/Thunderblast dam increased by 20%
Onslaught dam increased by 100%
Odyn's fury dam increased by 100%
Bladestorm dam increased by 30%
Execute damage increased by 30%
Unbridled ferocity has now 8% chance to proc (up from 6%)

Meat cleaver make your singletarget spells cleave for 75% damage (up from 55%)
OR
Meat cleaver now cleave on 7 additional targets (8 total)

alright how do I contact blizzard so they can implement the fix

[sullen dove]

ww dam holy!!!

very powerful ability that ww is

[devout totem]

nah but imporved ww and meat cleaver should be fusioned into 1 talent tho

[edgy oasis]

Bladestorm dam increased by 30% - Effects ST - wouldnt work. Ravenger would tho, as you do not take in ST.

[sullen dove]

prolly true

@warm crag thoughts on what i could do to make this 10 target 20 second sim better, i heard from sources in the skyhold discord that this is the best way to sim aoe https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p1oYwJVEaL4h9LgPocXhEs

[vale berry]

that's like a 1% ST buff that's ok we're not even top tier in the raid

[sick pagoda]

I love fury but its quite mid in m+.. sadface. Would love if they made most cleaves 5->8 targets and also just a baseline range would be nice. It’s so bad in so many dungeons when you just stand there… When I play Ret/DK I have mid range good options.. On warr I have nothing. The utility is also bad. Don’t understand why Warriors can’t get stuff

[sand crest]

did 14 rookery earlier and was like damn, fury can almost keep up with demo lock and devoker

then I did 14 floodgate

:/

[modest condor]

just only play theater of pain

[dense fulcrum]

anyone with simbot knowledge knows how to sim 2 different type of embellishment setup ?

[tired root]

Who can help with logs here guys? where to post?

[tepid cedar]

lol week 6 rankings are depressing. I bet Aug passes us now 😂😂😂😂

[summer quail]

aug no, basically every other spec yes

[sullen dove]

just kinda click the plus arrow on the piece of gear and swap the embellishment there

[silk wharf]

I like it in workshop too. The aoe outside the first room is mostly pad.

[wanton mirage]

Mid is now a cope word now.

[wise solar]

Only 1 day statistic, but it is close 😄

[dense fulcrum]

i did another way around ig

[devout totem]

where is this from?

[dense fulcrum]

just did gear compare i think

if someoen can check https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bWBqHRXTnsQQZDTwgtPVj4

[wise solar]

https://mythicstats.com/dps

[devout totem]

thx mate

[dense elbow]

Fury fighting it out with Aug? Good, means Aug is fine and is balanced fairly.

[wise solar]

But I think data is too low in 1st day, so we have to wait 3-5 days to approve the fact 😄

[iron portal]

I did 13 Rookery with Loboz

[dense elbow]

Data fits the narrative, data stays

[iron portal]

He had OF Slayer build

[dense elbow]

Ye, Loboz plays with OF too

Havent he moved up to 14-15 range now tho?

[iron portal]

idk, signed up for our key

[sand crest]

yo OF slayer is crazy tech

[dense elbow]

hm, cool

[sand crest]

xD

[dense elbow]

OF slayer slays

[honest sundial]

he sees a warrior he wants to show hes r1 warrior

[flat river]

slay 💅

[dense elbow]

I will take a break from my fury warrior till Slayer/OF/BS buffs tho

Cause Fury in keys aint much fun

[iron portal]

Well he couldnt cause we BOTCHED the KEY KEK

[dense elbow]

You meant to say - you botched the key.

[iron portal]

Tank died twice

[dense elbow]

Cause you didnt do the thing

[iron portal]

I am not playing this game 🙃

[sullen dove]

i did a 14 on my evoker yesterday and my highest before then was like an 11

that was cool

[dense elbow]

Aug Evoker?

Nice

[sullen dove]

why would i ever play that dogshit spec

🔥 🐲

[dense elbow]

Cause it is as good as fury?

(based on data given above)

[sullen dove]

so terrible

[barren dagger]

it got buffed and fury got no buffs

[dapper goblet]

madox for yellow

[barren dagger]

so its actually better

[modest condor]

loboz build

[sullen dove]

playing aug over dev is like playing fury over arms

but like 5x the difference

madox for yellow

open slot

[iron portal]

He did lot of damage on pulls

Did bit less on bosses

[sullen dove]

of is powerful boss damage

surely loboz legs build also had onslaught and spear/roar

[dense elbow]

OF is decent, it does about the same damage as overall

[summer quail]

based on m+ data lmao

[sullen dove]

i think that probably should not be happening

then again idk when last did a slayer key

[summer quail]

it doesnt even show sample size

[sullen dove]

of is either actually terrible or you be spamming ww like its shadowlands

bring shadowlands mbg fury back

[dense elbow]

Ya be suprised how powerful WW is, or weak OF is, based on how you look at it

[sullen dove]

mfs will hate when we had some real uncapped aoe

[dense elbow]

Maybe we should nerf WW

[wary fjord]

Spin fury

Mb spinnnnnn

[sullen dove]

me when fury rotation in keys was to use an arms conduit and spam ww for 15 seconds

actual peak cinema

[wary fjord]

Not brain

[sullen dove]

this is what big warrior wants you to forget about

didnt know how good we had it back then

[wary fjord]

I miss those days

[dense elbow]

Bring me back to TWW beta

[rotund ginkgo]

its jover

[sullen dove]

what the sigma

[rotund ginkgo]

noxiv touched arms

ITS JOVER

my enha is ready

666 ilvl

[dense elbow]

No

Nonono

nonono no no

[sullen dove]

fury otp swapping

that is quite significant huh

[rotund ginkgo]

6 days ago

is abyssmal

diabolical

[modest condor]

he's been doing more arms keys, they just havent finished any other ones

[rotund ginkgo]

ITS JOVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[dense elbow]

So arms so weak, that they fail when they do arms keys

Fury still supreme

[rotund ginkgo]

go to noxiv stream
he has bloodthirst

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-nickelodeon-sigh-phew-gif-3406032206381683784

[sullen dove]

porque no pink name in top right

[quiet breach]

spriest?

is spriest still the dogshittiest overall dam spec for m+ (besides Aug)

[modest condor]

probably not, just nobody plays it in high keys so we havent seen what they're capable of

[summer quail]

initial conversation was about raid so ofc spriest yes

[calm mantle]

Goal achieved

[keen kindle]

You can quit the game now!

[calm mantle]

3.1k next

[clever frost]

we still stack Slaughtering Strikes after BS is boss under 35%?

[sullen dove]

prolly? tho assuming you have vc itd prolly tell you to press bt more often and i would think its bad if 1-2 big bts are unenraged so maybe you dont do it then

tho pure st where u usually only take vc you also have deft exp so should be exiting the bladestorm with like 4-5 sec of enrage so prolly still have plenty of enrage uptime for whatever bt's youd wanna hit

[quiet breach]

I have never seen a raid ranking without fury as at least middle of the pack

idk who's ranking ur looking at but we aren't terrible in raid

[warm crag]

castle nathria

[summer quail]

never said we are terrible in raid. just that the classes that were below as are all getting buffed, thus we are going to fall further down

well not all of those below us, but a decent amount

[compact siren]

yeah

[oblique trail]

The logic is that you BOMM

[sullen dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/711337973274378270/1351661682044305564/MVSNG.gif

[feral ivy]

Did you scroll all the way to 2021 for that mesg

wtf

I clicked on it by accident and looked away and came back to talking about huntsman and i was thrown off

[sullen dove]

surely bonzai spent the time to scroll through 500,000+ messages

instead of just searching by name and time or something

but also was jimmy that replied to it first

can just click on it after that

[subtle heron]

So tired of recrafting.

[feral ivy]

Yea forgot about search part lol

[sullen dove]

how often... you doing it...

[subtle heron]

Like almost every week, lmao

[sullen dove]

cant see me recrafting more than once a month

wha

[subtle heron]

I'm like the backup tank for raid, I don't mind it but guh

[feral ivy]

Are you mythic raiding?

[subtle heron]

Yeah

[sullen dove]

cant imagine changing stats on like 2 pieces is gonna make or break your tanking

[feral ivy]

^

The only time I recrafted was fury to arms or arm to fury

[subtle heron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/343868542464032769/1289310340613542013/gffgjhg-ezgif.com-webp-to-gif-converter1.gif

[mossy fox]

have you not figured it out yet, benzai is skyhold AI

[hardy bluff]

even that doesnt really matter this season

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/robot-ai-robot-ai-meme-ai-meme-gif-509507551361818171

[hardy bluff]

most my arms gear is decent stats for fury too

[sullen dove]

glorp detected

[subtle heron]

I honestly just hate how Arms is practically the defacto M+ spec. Hate the playstyle.

[subtle heron]

Glorps Deployed

[smoky vale]

just reroll

fotm

[subtle heron]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

[smoky vale]

swordish rerolled

[foggy pine]

hello fury borthers how do you do for loots if youa re with guildies because bis trinket are not the sames if you play arms and fury

[random raptor]

no no I love playing warrior because I enjoy it, investing hundreds of hours in my character only to raid log because m+ isn't accessible due to blizzards inability to balance classes or solve having to sit in the main city for 2 hours trying to get into a key

[smoky vale]

need on everything

[foggy pine]

today i could not get house of card because it wasnt really bis for fury

[smoky vale]

????

[quiet breach]

???

[foggy pine]

yes im like you ???

[sullen dove]

i mean its kinda not

locknstalk just better st most of the time i think

but yea its big for aoe/m+

[quiet breach]

what key ranks are you trying to get into

[smoky vale]

hi dragindeez

why did you reroll

[tropic coral]

When do i hit Bloodthirst. Just when it procs or everythings elese is down or put it in rotatation?

[smoky vale]

when weakaura says to

[sullen dove]

fire dragonface

[tropic coral]

ahhhh i need tha WA then lol

[thick elbow]

i wonder now fury is now awful in mythic plus and creeping down to the bottom of the logs if they will give a buff

[smoky vale]

#updates-midnight message

you could also just not use weakaura and read guide but

[tropic coral]

why do that when WA run out lives

lol ty

[random raptor]

14/15s

[smoky vale]

because wa takes fun out of game

[warm crag]

silence

log into factorio

[quiet breach]

how many timed 14/15s do u have

[smoky vale]

i played sts for 2 hours bc i couldnt get into keys

was fun

[warm crag]

did you win

[smoky vale]

[random raptor]

none, not from a lack of skill, from a lack of ability to get into them without a group (also cant find a group)

I just think, if you've created a game where the main content revolves around end game and it's not competitively accessible to most classes then you've failed, game design issue, m+ is amazing - the balancing/time investment to be able to do it is not

[warm crag]

i beat black deck gold stake

[random raptor]

it's pretty annoying

[quiet breach]

u have ur own keystone gang

[smoky vale]

i had a crazy run a few nights ago

[quiet breach]

ur not getting invited because u haven't timed it

make ur own groups

until u have some 14s times

then try again

[smoky vale]

i was playing sneko ironclad with dead branch

infinite turns

[random raptor]

yeah but it goes back to my main point, we'd have 10x the amount of players doing m+ and overrall skill level would be higher if it was smoother to play.. as it stands you spend 70% of the time NOT doing m+

I understand what you're saying though

[sullen dove]

nobody is counting their bloodcraze and recklessness and tier bt crit% stacks

just know how to do it in head

[quiet breach]

u can't expect ppl to invite dps who haven't timed that level before when there's 500000 dps applying

[smoky vale]

just play with your budd

[smoky vale]

i do

i see crit

and i press bt

when conditions

woah

[sullen dove]

so its a weakaura?

what you yappin about reading a guide

[smoky vale]

but not audio wueue

[sullen dove]

o wowie

no ding sound

[smoky vale]

15 priory

might be hard since chuck isnt online

[sullen dove]

indentured servitude in sod

[smoky vale]

good luck fighting bots bud

how much consums every week

[sullen dove]

idk couple hundred g

[quiet breach]

u wouldn't spend 70% of ur time searching for m+ if u only searched for keys u have actually proved yourself in or made it own groups

[smoky vale]

playing with buds is insta key

[quiet breach]

I remember a few weeks ago everyone said fury warriors never get invited to 10s, even top io people were saying this. I couldn't get invited. then I timed a few 10s by making my own groups and then I started getting invited after like 10-15 minutes of searching. timed a few more and I'm getting invited in 30 seconds or less every time

[smoky vale]

i mean thats true

but it gets worse the higher you go

[thick elbow]

about the 13-14 range everyone wants dk boomie mage

[sullen dove]

mage is cheeks

sorry

not gonna be convinced otherwise

[thick elbow]

cant blame them id want them too. all the pulls are gigantic this season

[sullen dove]

have not seen one do more than 3m in a key

[smoky vale]

cope

pblast owns

[sullen dove]

as i said

[sterile dagger]

but funny enough thanks blizzard for at least having people resilient keys

because often i got invited in those groups, probably because too many actual apes on udk/boomie/mages

and i guess people sometimes desperate - so inviting everyone KEKW

[smoky vale]

@warm crag

[modest condor]

is that 11.1.5 stuff?

[gleaming siren]

yea

Sword Boomerang+ is my favourite new button

Cleave unupgraded is really not it though, but maybe with Reaper+ you can alleviate the weak AoE

[smoky vale]

i also didnt need much aoe with like 5 energy every turn

[modest condor]

taking notes

[smoky vale]

im working for ascension 20

[median hound]

I don't see this mentioned on the fury guide but if I have 2 stacks of SD does it go in the same priority that 3x Marked for death is?

[smoky vale]

yeah

its |

[thorny zenith]

is there an argument on going MT for mythic stix prog or nah

[wispy bridge]

Isnt going MT the logical thing to do? Lots of adds and they all gotta die

Boss dmg isnt really relevant unless you wipe to enrage

[sullen dove]

yea you thane on stix pretty much

[quiet breach]

thane on Stix is the meta choice, going slayer would be the weird thing

[thorny zenith]

Ight ty

[quiet breach]

if u want an answer though, the range of thunder blast gives absolutely insane value

[thorny zenith]

Yea makes sense, I tried in hero and everything just melted, prob shouldn't have assumed its the same for myth lel

[quiet breach]

even on heroic thane is better, the adds are spread out everywhere

so ur thunder blast cleaves way better than slayer

[rapid wedge]

Would you take heroic Eye of Kezan or House of Cards over a 678 Seaforium Pacemaker and Viscera of Coalesced Hatred?

Bloodmallet says no but wondering what everyones thoughts are

[summer quail]

over a seaforium no. over viscera probably

[whole yacht]

Absolutely not over seafoam

[feral ivy]

critcakes recent video threw me off

[lime plaza]

So what do you lads usually play now as warrior. Fury or arms? In a m+ setting

[vague sierra]

Since you're asking in the fury channel, fury. 🙂

[lime plaza]

Lel. Fair enough

I stopped playing fury around mid s1 and went back to healing lmao

Was tired of weekly nerfs

[silver blade]

Can you reflect the recycler cast on Stix?

Don't see it listed on the sheet

[feral ivy]

then no

[silver blade]

Gotcha thank you

[dense fulcrum]

buff fury in m+

BLIZZZARRRRRRRD

[sullen dove]

ppl gotta be on your realm or in your guild to craft things

better off asking tradechat/gchat in game

[wild idol]

oh, got it

[open prairie]

Does anyone have a working details name weakaura

[smoky vale]

probably dragindeez

[open prairie]

prot

[tepid cedar]

buff fury every where

we are about last in raid lol

[winter shoal]

https://wago.io/u4CMq5-8T

[open prairie]

does it work still

one i had stopped if name was too long

[winter shoal]

idk the one I use 404d when I tried to link to it lmao

that one has the same name tho

[open prairie]

theres alot of them

[tender aspen]

whats the range on the whirlwind talents? i have damage numbers disabled so its hard to tell if im reaching sometimes

[modest condor]

8 yards

slightly longer than melee range

[amber heart]

Hey guys, I don't raid very often and am wondering what the best options to select for simming my DPS. I couldn't find an answer in the FAQs about it, so I apologize if this is asked often

[smoky vale]

1t 5m 5-8t 40s

you lose very little st to do aoe so i would stick to this

[near pasture]

^ beat me to it but yeah this good

[amber heart]

Awesome, thanks for the info!

[granite crypt]

Can anyone explain to me why it (Heliki) wants me to hold Bladestorm for Recklessness (even in ST)? Is it JUST because it procs Avatar? Feels like the extra rage gen is wasted if I cycle them together.

[queen panther]

So i'm running quick sims but for some reason raging blow is always my top damage? Is that supposed to happen?

[granite crypt]

no

[queen panther]

That's weird

[granite crypt]

For context, I'm running Slayer, pure ST build.

[surreal hull]

as mountain thane i should be popping ww as filler right and tclap as main cleave button\

[granite crypt]

you should never press WW

[blissful kestrel]

U take ww off bars as thane

[surreal hull]

kk thats what i did it just feeels idk slow

[queen panther]

Yeh, running full ST slayer. Some how RB is always my top damage for my quick sims and I'm so confused

[summer quail]

yeah in st that is pretty normal

like this is my mugzee heroic breakdown for last week

[young swan]

20% damage good, rage is irrelevant

[queen panther]

Hmm okay

[granite crypt]

Noted.

[thorny zenith]

are yall saving cds for first set of adds on reverb M or just fucking him up on pull

[summer quail]

it's the same for sprocket when i checked that. rb top

[queen panther]

Thats so weird

I pull up top warrior for sprocket

[smoky vale]

do you want to watch me prog

[queen panther]

His top damage is Rampage then BT

[granite crypt]

is this new? every top Warrior parse I see Rampage is top

[granite crypt]

^ this

Is it just a practical "in the fight" difference vs. parse?

[summer quail]

different from pull to pull i guess, not killed mythic sprocket yet(i'm progging) so maybe ramp will be top then?

we will see

[summer quail]

sure

[modest condor]

raidbots hides bloodthirst damage in bladestorm so it looks lower than it really is

[summer quail]

ey silm can you explain top log on sprocket? he is using bt on cd and is gapping everyone else damage wise

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/k38YpANcgZrTnvDx?fight=32&type=casts&source=49&view=timeline

[modest condor]

i mean he's not using it on cd

but they had like 5 deaths during execute phase

[summer quail]

idk is he just doing random shit coz look at this part atleast

[modest condor]

i would love to look more into it but wcl isnt cooperating

but i guess so

i mean most of the optimisations we have are smaller than just random crit rng

[summer quail]

ye fair

[sullen dove]

is that on execute or the whole fight

thats what u do in execute no

bt on cd basically

idk about overall tho

[summer quail]

very start at the fight, like 12 sec in

[sullen dove]

just big gamin ig

[summer quail]

just crit mate

[modest condor]

maybe they had no rb charges

[queen panther]

yeh, had a rythm going, rb-bt-ram.

Pretty much does it the whole fight

[summer quail]

idk how to check that, but he would hae to be giga unlucky then i think

[modest condor]

im not sure what's wrong with that screenshot

2 stacks of bloodcraze and a tierset proc can easily get you over 85%

[summer quail]

it's more that he rampaged twice without pressing rb, therefore the chance of him having rb stacks is high no?

was more about the no rb charges thing

[modest condor]

but that's a different point

[elfin belfry]

I thought you just rampage the moment it comes up over everything else

[summer quail]

is it? i might be overthinking this

[sullen dove]

consider perhaps... he just wanted to hit buttons how he wanted to hit buttons

[summer quail]

how do you check no rb refund in logs?

[sullen dove]

and gamed

[modest condor]

you dont

im just giving an example of how that sequence of abilities would still be correct

[summer quail]

oh yea could definetely be the case, i'm just curious

[summer quail]

yeye

[modest condor]

i can at least confirm the tierset proc tho http://puu.sh/KrWBu/1dc9971a3e.png

[sullen dove]

can prolly count the procs if you want somehow with this lolhttps://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/k38YpANcgZrTnvDx?fight=32&type=auras&source=49&ability=383873

[summer quail]

hahah holy moly

i think he's genuinely just pressing buttons, doesn't do the rb after bladestorm thing either

fury optimizations do be tiny

[modest condor]

afaik using rb after bladestorm is not in the guide that's just something you need to know or find out through looking at sims

the rest looks like he's following the priority correctly

[summer quail]

oh rly? ngl i don't really look at the guide, i just chill here and i press buttons. seems to work

[modest condor]

oh nvm it is

[queen panther]

yeah on opener

[modest condor]

but the only obvious mistakes im seeing are that and using roar during cooldowns on singletarget

altho not using roar during cooldowns is negligible

the raging blow and bloodthirst casts look fine to me

[tepid cedar]

sil, do you know if the reck greater than 24 send BS less than 24 hold BS is optmized

[cosmic sundial]

So I just had signet drop on hero track. I have two people in my group with it. I have Champion House of Cards and it gives more mastery per cast. Is there anyway to sim signet as if I have the other people in group? Or is House of Cards just better due to raw numbers?

[modest condor]

i think so? i mean 21s sounds long but with AM that's really not that long

[sour frigate]

isnt it how u actually play dem fury?

[tepid cedar]

yea i go by the 24 rule. but wasnt sure if it was optimized or jsut a "number" lol

[modest condor]

if you dont get enough raging blow refunds then yeah that's how you play fury

[summer quail]

yea i just press buttons, but noticed he was pressing bt alot more. but like silm said it could just be rng

[gilded pawn]

archi probably just put number from 1 to x

and found which ones the best

that being said i suspect it could be different by haste levels

but i think thats too minor

[bright fog]

hello! where can i find proper secondary break points/ caps for fury?

[smoky vale]

there are none

listen to robot for gear upgrades

[bright fog]

oh! my god ive been trying to mid max and hold 30%haste 55% mastery this whole time!

[smoky vale]

thats probably fine but robot has better answers

for your specific character

[cold cape]

How do I read logs for Fury? I don't know what I'm doing wrong then don't know what to read or look out for in other logs

What should I be looking out for?

[feral ivy]

sprock... can meele get drill in mythic? or still range only

[summer quail]

only if there aren't enough ranged players

so if a decent amount of ranged die then melee can get

[feral ivy]

mmmk tyty

[thorny zenith]

How big of a drop-off is to be expected from H to Mythic parse wise? I'm normally a purple/occasional orange parser on hero and I did my first non pug runs of mythic (first 3 down and like 2 pulls on stix) and I fucking parsed gray

[young swan]

about expected

if you're a player who has to work at getting orange parses for heroic the drop to mythic is going to be significant

[thorny zenith]

So it's just a git gud moment? Some can be improved by better cds or whatever but it's shocking tbh

[feral ivy]

it sucks with my rik parse by the time i can do something .. adds already dead lol

[summer quail]

yes, and maybe gear depending on what you have ofc

[thorny zenith]

667 ilvl so def not gear. 678 weap with 675 crafted OH

[summer quail]

yeah then it's rotation and cd timing

[compact knot]

i think optimizing a spec on something that barely matters is just going to be a dps loss

especially a spec where its literally just push the shiny buttons

thats how i play fury atleast, only optimization that matters is rb after bladestorm really

[thorny zenith]

How well do you do with that?

Not hating at all I'm just curious

[compact knot]

its how ive played in the past

and pretty good ngl

[summer quail]

i do the same, just press buttons and press bt and exe when they light up. going pretty good

[compact knot]

i do the same shit with arms this tier and yeah

[edgy widget]

who said Fury isn't good on M Bandit?

[summer quail]

[compact knot]

warrior* isnt good on M bandit

corrected it for you

[edgy widget]

ok you know what

don't have to rub it in

[compact knot]

my fault

good crank though

[summer quail]

i need to fix my cauldron parse. but cauldron is so boring...

[edgy widget]

ignore the fact that the Warlock beat me with a 48

[compact knot]

i think id have rank 1 cauldron if i had a myth track weapon

but like

[summer quail]

still aight tho

[compact knot]

noting from vault and havent downed stix yet

7 kills of cauldron and not a single ring drop

😭

[edgy widget]

I missed rank 1 bandit by <80k dps
and I was dead for 24 seconds

I was absolutely cranking

[compact knot]

yeah critcake had me beat on cauldron by like 20k dps with a myth weapon diff as well

hidden logs are always higher though

[summer quail]

i swear that happens alot on bandit. on first week heroic i got rank 3 and i got stunned for 6 seconds at the start of the boss, oab parsing is weird

[edgy widget]

might have even gotten R1 overall, but I moved out for a fire beam, ran around a new pylon, and then the boss got pulled back into me and the beams just insta gibbed

[compact knot]

OAB is a weird ass boss istg

[edgy widget]

it is

[compact knot]

some pulls you just do significantly more damage than others

[edgy widget]

really depends on your group comp too

[compact knot]

noticeable on heroic too

(i havent touched the boss on mythic, have watched though)

[edgy widget]

up until the last few pulls, we had a second Ret Paladin in, but his power went out, so we replaced him with a UH DK and my DPS suddenly went up 100k

cause I was able to get more add dam in

also you have coin RNG, targeting RNG, proc RNG

[compact knot]

is devastation evoker hidden op

same with mm hunter

i feel like the hunter class writer is holding back mm's potential

he tells people to not play mm in raid im pretty sure

and everytime i see one in m+ or raid it just shits on stuff

[edgy widget]

Hunter is actaully pretty strong, but ours gets a lot of gear and all the PIs

he's almost as fed as I am!

[compact knot]

oh you got mythic bis

thats big

[edgy widget]

Yeah dropped tonight

consolation prize for my lost R1

also really lucky cause I think we're gonna extend mugz

[compact knot]

we are struggling on stix

big mechanic bosses is my guilds worst nightmare

[smoky vale]

did you go sprocket > stix?

[compact knot]

stix > sprocket

i said to go sprocket first

[smoky vale]

oh just reclear

[compact knot]

but they didnt listen

i feel ike sprocket would be easier for us

[ornate gust]

I hate Stix and Bandit

[compact knot]

70 pulls into stix now though

commited

[edgy widget]

I hated stix on N/H, but actually find it kinda fun on M

[smoky vale]

or have you not killed stix

[edgy widget]

I think probably only because we get to play Thane though

[compact knot]

i like stix as arms

we havent killed stix

lol

[smoky vale]

i cant tell which is worse heroic or mythic stix

[edgy widget]

N/H felt worse for me, cause people yolo it so hard

[smoky vale]

heroic you can get multiple balss

[edgy widget]

I think Mythic is a little more fair, getting a bad ball on H really cripples your damage because adds get obliterated

but the fight lasts long enough on M that you can recover

[smoky vale]

mythic you just get oneshot if someone doesnt get a recycler

i think boss is prob worst in the raid

[edgy widget]

spell reflect!

but yeah, recyclers are a surprisingly simple mechanic that leads to a lot of deaths

[ornate gust]

That’s true until you play 2 balls 🤦🏻‍♂️

[marsh sun]

is mister lock-n-stalk good in mythic+ on how you change from aoe and single target

[finite flint]

I heard for arms human sims pretty high dps wise, is it same for fury?

[edgy widget]

I did on our first kill

[edgy widget]

it's good ST, only decent MT though

[edgy widget]

human is generally one of the better races, yes - stun break comes in handy more often than you'd think too

[unreal onyx]

That works?

[sullen dove]

aint no way spell reflect stops recycle right

i heard it can stop the lightning

forget how exactly tho

[unreal onyx]

I heard the reflect sound on lightning but I tried SR on recyclers in prog and they just blasted my ass anyway

[sullen dove]

whether precast or just during it later

[unreal onyx]

If SR would work on recyclers that would be op asf

[warped pier]

Spell reflect on the lightning just prevents some stacks of the debuff

[slim coral]

nope

I wish that'd be sick

[edgy widget]

idk, I do know you can reflect scrap rockets though

[crude ridge]

This is how I felt on my sprocket kill. Was on track for an easy top 10 parse and for the first time in all of our pulls I hit the lock gate early on the second push and died. Ended up with a gray 4 parse lmao...

[edgy widget]

LOL been there