fury

[gilded pawn]

Remember that 20% crit and 20% mastery is basically the same in a vacuum

[fading sky]

Yes but initial benefit would not matter

[gilded pawn]

Yea

Fury has too many free crit in kit

[fading sky]

Tgis

[gilded pawn]

Without complementing crit synergies

[fading sky]

Make ashen do dmg?

Why is it even crit?

[gilded pawn]

No reason to

Yea

Probably remnant from sl lol

I remember 100% crit executes that do 0 damage in df

[modest condor]

weird, i dont

i do remember the 100% crit part but not the 0 damage

or are you refering to the part where execute was our highest damaging ability but because people cant think for themself they hear someone say it does no damage and just repeat it?

[gilded pawn]

Yep

[open prairie]

its like anytime a spec does big number

people say the playstyle “feels” good

[gilded pawn]

Yep

If a spec undertuned then it’s “fundamentally flawed”

“0 utility”

[mossy fox]

df s1 execute was high on our breakdown ye

[open prairie]

Guarantee you if we had a patch where fury pressed only rb no rampage ever

and was highest dps in m+

[mossy fox]

shame the set was just super weak

[open prairie]

people would say it “feels good”

no bt no ramp

[left perch]

that would feel good

[open prairie]

rb only

[left perch]

being damaged and getting invites

imagine

[earnest canyon]

not to me

[open prairie]

Yeah im just saying the average player

[earnest canyon]

ret and uh dk feel shit

[edgy widget]

ok, ring may be a legitimate choice to replace Circlet

[earnest canyon]

im about as average as you can get

[open prairie]

have friends

[left perch]

When I do they make me tank or heal so I’m failing there too

[open prairie]

skill issue

unless they all play like rogue mage hunter

There’s only 4 pure dps classes

[gilded pawn]

Tbf healing is hella hard to get into

[twilit timber]

and warlock

[open prairie]

yeah mage and warlock

the two golden children

[fading sky]

Just make it dmg?

[gray thunder]

recrafting an item that i used gem socket before, removes the socket?

[edgy widget]

• if you're using a new spark, such as going from Season 1 -> Season 2 item levels, yes
• if you're not using a new spark, and just changing stats/embellishment/or upgrading from say H -> M ilevels within the same season, then no the socket stays

[gray thunder]

thanks!

[calm mantle]

Do we just send bloodthirst as much as we can or do we wait for crit? I've been using Khakhan fury weak aura and just hitting when that lights ups. Is there a better WA?

[gilded pawn]

That’s fine

But you would press bt over slam still

[calm mantle]

I don't even have slam on my bar

[ancient olive]

colossus or thane for m+ atm?

[chilly fractal]

Man I miss S3 DF

[indigo arch]

same

or tww prepatch, probably the only time I felt fury had a shot at being "meta"

naturally this was corrected

[olive wraith]

Same

[indigo arch]

having actual aoe burst was a neat idea

[lyric panther]

on stix mythic people finding it better to hold CDs for adds or just send them for more uses? (on farm)

[fading sky]

Lorrgs knows

[summer quail]

the only recent time fury had a shot at being meta was s2 dragonflight, but then 10.1.5 happened

[fading sky]

Season 1 tww

But nerfed before season started

[mossy fox]

s1 tww honestly we didnt stand a chance even pre ptr nerfs lmao

[fading sky]

Let a man dream!!!

[torpid cypress]

last time we were rly meta is wotlk phase 3 tho

[chilly fractal]

We never stood a chance

[summer quail]

nahh, people were exaggerating. we had great burst sure, but that was all

[mossy fox]

i was already getting owned on extended pulls on s1 ptr

[fading sky]

For certain blizzars didnt just knee jerk nerf us

[indigo arch]

Don't worry, surely s3 will be better!

[quiet breach]

do u get a catalyst when u hit 3k io

[warm crag]

no

[radiant sentinel]

just a mount

[quiet breach]

yo, the high key pushers have a term/phrase for key runs where nobody is getting io but you are just running it to level up the key, what is that called?

[low folio]

pushing maybe idk

yo so get Best-in-slots and run signet and use them together 😮

big brain

lol

[earnest canyon]

A waste of time

[mossy fox]

homework key

[quiet breach]

THATS IT, thx

[mossy fox]

yw

high key pushers are weird

wouldnt wanna be em

[clever belfry]

keyp*sher

[glossy comet]

when do we replace cyrce's circlet?

[clever belfry]

whenever the robot tells you to

[torpid garden]

Is a 678 pacemaker really a downgrade vs 665 core amplifier and a 665 energy drink for ST? It’s simming 0.1% loss

[modest condor]

real

[clever belfry]

for fury, very possible

[quiet breach]

probably never

has anyone here actually had the robot tell them to unequip cyrces

[sullen dove]

wouldnt say most people are acquiring/taking good myth rings out of vault the last few weeks over way bigger gear

but like ya ur def replacing it eventually

[edgy widget]

as Fury practically never

unless you're really shy on stats, it's pretty hard to replace even at max ilevel - you're usually looking at anywhere from +0.1% to -0.1% compared to Circlet; the only real benefit is the stam gain

[torpid cypress]

4th socket in vault -.-

[quiet breach]

I have a 678 gorechop ring and my HC jastor diamond/cyrces sims higher

[edgy widget]

I have a Radiant Necro in the vault and it's extremely close for me; not strictly better outright but it has value

main benefit is a little bit of extra stam (it's only ~1% extra health though), and reducing the damage range a little bit (but Fury's is already very low as is)

[wanton mirage]

Heroic funhouse lens or Mythic tier head?. Mine righte now are heroic headpiece and champion mechano-core amplifier. In sims funhouse lens comeahead very minor. 0.2%

[tame yarrow]

We told ourselves that in S1. Look where we are now 😄

[quiet breach]

myth head

[quiet breach]

myth head, meant to reply u

[wanton mirage]

yeah I am leaning on that since i don't mythic raid. just the sims make me rethink a little So getting confirmatory here. 😄

[sullen dove]

still somehow better than s1

but not by a lot...

surely another like minor upgrade in s3 we gonna look so much better than in s1

gonna make a good not dogshit tierset

gonna be winning big

[indigo arch]

Nah, I fully expected more of the same

At least in s1 fury didn't feel as powercrept

[pseudo kite]

Hey guys, quick consultation. For those who have Eye of Kezan (Heroic). Is it really worth it in Raid? (Right now I am using Mechano Core and Pacemaker Heroic lvl). Just got it in Vault and debating getting it or Mythic Tier Shoulders (Already have Heroic version but would be an Ilvl upgrade). Thoughts?

[gleaming siren]

What kind of raiding

this question has different answers

[twin glacier]

Fight shorter than 5 minutes.
Not worth it.

Kinda rule of thumb thing.

[pseudo kite]

Heroic and early Mythic. Wont get past 4/8 probably

[gleaming siren]

Wouldn't say it's gonna be overly good for you then

[feral ivy]

got 3-4 months u can do it lol

[pseudo kite]

Thanks

[pseudo kite]

Spent all my pugging energy on M+ lol Noway Im gonna try to pug mythic raiding past initial bosses hehehe

[feral ivy]

oh thought u ment ur guild got 4/8

well 3/8

[tender pulsar]

Is there a better way to sim optimal crest upgrades than what I'm doing? I'm manually choosing a couple upgrade levels for the gear that I'm considering, and then seeing which combination the sim spits out. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1ExyQ55FfxSTCNEMaWi3UQ

[thorny zenith]

mythic boys, do you save crests until after raid to see if you get upgrades or send them early to get more deeps

[sullen dove]

i mean depends how many extra crests you have

and also like planning ahead for what might drop outta raid and if upgrading that worth more than upgrading what you have rn

if you have no myth track to spend gildeds on then yea would prolly wait see if you get one outta raid b4 spending them on hero for example but its prolly late enough into the season where ppl be upgradin hero items just cuz

but like if u have some giga epic myth item then yea send that shit

[warm crag]

there is no button you can press that says "I have 150 crests tell me the best setup"

it is as straight forward as clicking the upgrades you can make and simming between those

[tender pulsar]

[warm crag]

but as swordish (skyhold streamer) has said you gotta also consider crafts and potential raid drops

[sullen dove]

thank you spongus (skyhold streamer)

ye crafts are pretty giga op too

if you dont have myth in that slot

[mossy fox]

streamers are cringe

[sullen dove]

real spill

[smoky vale]

hi critcake happy valentines day

[warm crag]

demote all streamers

[sullen dove]

bout 2 months too late for that one

[mossy fox]

hi gio merry xmas

[warm crag]

did you see gala is gio theory @mossy fox

[smoky vale]

stop

too far bud

[summer quail]

i think he is spritti

[smoky vale]

@sullen dove i have a 14 priory

[sullen dove]

would you prefer gala is gio or gio is gala

[smoky vale]

we attack soon

[sullen dove]

what if both are roidstack

[summer quail]

or abudhabi

[sullen dove]

that does sound like a dragindeezable key

[warm crag]

i miss roidstack

[smoky vale]

i would prefer gala combust and i am gio

[sullen dove]

miss him too

[warm crag]

he made a comeback in priest discord

[sullen dove]

w shit

[mossy fox]

i did i believe it

[smoky vale]

are you excited to be nepo baby'd into another key ish

[sullen dove]

perhaps

at scoo doe

like 3 hours

https://tenor.com/view/rice-cooking-castorice-gif-10784526730441094553

[smoky vale]

cant wait to be ran down by the public

[sullen dove]

cant wait to die to 1 single tick of purification beam

[smoky vale]

yeah im at the point where i cant get into 14s without doing my own key or having a semi group

zz

[warm crag]

im the same except its 10s

[smoky vale]

how

minimal io

surely they see bosses in roi

but ig people dont use that

[warm crag]

massive psychosis

on my end

[smoky vale]

zz

[warm crag]

can you sign up for the marathon closed alpha and let me teamviewer your pc so i can play it

cant sign up from eu zz

[smoky vale]

wat is marathon

[warm crag]

new bungie game

[gaunt pelican]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r5ZYC2VfcbYD7pnWZhju73
Hey y'all, got blessed with another myth track weapon for the second week in a row, but sims say to pass on it for myth track gloves... is crafted weapon that poggers? My guild prob going into mythic sooner than later but to take the weapon id have to craft boots and recraft cape. Which option is more worth? Sims say second myth weapon with recrafts is slightly better than what I have now but gloves are better immediate upgrade according to sims

[sullen dove]

think second time u sent that xd but yea I mean if ur going from hero > myth gloves and crafted > second myth weap you rly don’t need a second myth weap and just yoink the gloves

[smoky vale]

also how do i make my pc not turn on system sounds everytime i turn it on and off

its turbo aids

[sullen dove]

yea like gloves can maybe drop from cauldron but like eh

better distribution of loot

[warm crag]

iirc offhand craft is straight up just better if you dont have myth bis or capital

[smoky vale]

spongie which do i pick

[sullen dove]

Yea think like maybe it’d be good for m+ but like why bother

[warm crag]

idk im not genuinely expecting to teamviewer on your pc with infinite latency to play an extraction shooter

[smoky vale]

would be funny

[warm crag]

go sign up for the alpha the visual direction of the game is insane

[silk wharf]

All of those are amazing options imo, for fury. I don't think you could go wrong with any of those unless you already had something comparable.

[smoky vale]

only thing i ask if this ever happens to not do sussy activites 🙂

[edgy widget]

Anyone done ToP since the reset?

I see something about Kul'tharok (undead skele boss) that may have (?) changed but dunno what

[quiet breach]

just timed a +12 mechagon as slayer

forgot to switch💀

[silk wharf]

not since reset but i did it last night.

[edgy widget]

na, if it is anything, it would have changed with the reset hotfixes

[quiet breach]

oh btw this update made a visual indicator for Fatboy charge in meadery

[silk wharf]

Maybe thats what changed for undead guy. maybe he indicates his soul spawn

[edgy widget]

the Careless Hopgoblin's Reckless Delivery? Yeah I heard about that one but haven't seen it yet - do you happen to have a clip or anything?

[edgy widget]

that's what I'm thinking; the data doesn't actually say what changed, just indicates that something did, which usually means an animation

[quiet breach]

I don't have a clip, but I did a meadery today and its very noticable now

its like a black line on the ground

[earnest canyon]

is it +10 u need for max loot ?

[quiet breach]

while he's powering up his charge there's a thick black/gray line on the ground

[edgy widget]

thanks appreciate that

[earnest canyon]

ive been trying to chase score and I hate m+

[strong hazel]

Not an "almost" anymore :D

[quiet breach]

for vault yes, u get no benefit loot wise for going any higher than 10

[feral ivy]

gratz

[strong hazel]

I feel like i sorta cheated as the cinderbrew was with a premade healer and tank

[feral ivy]

as long u did dmg then ur good

[earnest canyon]

ill limp through that then, really cant be fucked with m+

[edgy widget]

where Warrior?!

[surreal lynx]

is it always ravager over bladestorm thi season?

[strong hazel]

Sadly not getting this high on my war yet D:

Still need to gear them

[edgy widget]

Slayer = BS
Thane = Rav

[surreal lynx]

ty bro

[strong hazel]

But yea ik it's not warrior related
I just was proud of it!!!!!!

I'm the Bm in it btw

[quiet breach]

so I noticed u don't get affix on 12+, do they do anything else to make it harder besides number tuning?

or ig its kind of a nerf cuz u don't get the affix buff i guess

[strong hazel]

15 sec on death

I belive thats added on 12

[silk wharf]

Taking amplifier over house of cards feels wrong.

But I must obey the robot

[sour frigate]

U shouldnt

On-use + passive better than 2 passives

[strong hazel]

Quick question can warrior get suspicious energy drink or is that agilityo nly

[warm crag]

should be str tagged

[silk wharf]

I have an on use (funhous lens), and house of cards consistently sims mid against my delve trinkets only winning ever so slightly by being a higher ilvl.

[strong hazel]

Ah alright

It's just it sounds good on paper, idk how good it actually is

Again apologies for the noob questions everyone

I'm mainly a rogue guy XD

[silk wharf]

Energy drink, at hero, sims as my best trinket among all hero ilvl options.

[strong hazel]

Ah fair

On my BM sus on champ sims higher than any dungeon trink on heroic

and master is i think
3rd best stat?

For bm at least

and it's huge on Fury from what ive read?
Mastery that is

But i could be wrong

[young junco]

Socket?

[smoky vale]

weapon mythic track or

[young junco]

Have a mythic track weapon already. The other weapon sims worse in ST because of stats im guessing

[smoky vale]

if you sim double crit or vers itll be better with a second weapon

so

[young junco]

Gotcha, ty!

[warm crag]

true

[quiet breach]

i have started adding everyone in my group whenever i have a good key run +11 or higher

so i can message ppl if i wanna set up grps for keys and have guarenteed good players

feel like thats gonna make getting those +13s timed so much easier

what i really need to do is impress a tank enough to add me back, then il be really chillin

if i can get a good tank guarenteed it should be extremely easy

usually its the tank holding the key back

in the bad groups

and i dont really want to put in the work to become a good tank myself, just a satisfactory one for +10 vault runs

at least not right now

would rather just focus on continuing to be a good dps cuz i enjoy that

[clever belfry]

3ok

but who asked my king

[subtle heron]

This might be a dumb question, but why is ISP good for Fury multi target?

[warm crag]

what is isp ing

[winter shoal]

internet service provider

[subtle heron]

Seaforium Pacemaker

[winter shoal]

Hope that helps spongo

pacemaker give stat

[subtle heron]

Like I get it's raw crit gain every 30 seconds but

Is that it?

[winter shoal]

stat good

[warm crag]

pacemaker is a passive trinket thats farmable and theres not many other passive trinkets in the current season

its also just Really Good

[winter shoal]

In general, raw stats are better for aoe than a direct damage trinket

At least relatively

If a straight damage trinket like lock n stock and a stat trinket like pacemaker are tied on single target, the stat trinket tends to be better in aoe

[quiet breach]

bigbowels, are u still an ass destruc hater

[gilded pawn]

Ye

[winter shoal]

Don't have the trinket so I have no real opinion

I just parrot what smart people (Silm) say

[warm crag]

i ass destroyed mugzee

(dont do that)

[winter shoal]

I think the logic behind staying in ass destruction mode is sound

[winter shoal]

Spongus fury on mugzee?

[warm crag]

no

[winter shoal]

Okay I was gonna say no disrespect but that's a grief and a half

[quiet breach]

is fury worse enough than arms on mugzee, bandit, and cauldron that its actually troll to go it?

[winter shoal]

Mugzee yes

OAB depends on your raid comp

Cauldron who cares

[warm crag]

cauldron is whatever oab is comp based

[tepid cedar]

10 rookie foir some crest.... this dont happen much WE TAKE THE DUBS

[winter shoal]

P sure I did more on Cauldron as fury than 95% of arms warriors

[tepid cedar]

thats gona be us after our buffs. righht......righhhhtt

[warm crag]

fury is kind of justifiable on mugzee now after the dam buff you just gotta livelordx p2 but you are a bitch if you play that

[winter shoal]

Still a rav slarms angle at this point I fear

[warm crag]

rav is fake

[quiet breach]

why would the comp dictate whether arms or fury is better on OAB, are adds hard asigned?

[fickle cedar]

buffs are coming next week ive heard whispers in my dreams

[junior gale]

rav slayer has its potential on mugzee

[warm crag]

wws blow up fixate fire bombs if you dont have a ww everyone else needs to blow it up instead

[warm crag]

it wasnt played on rwf i dont think you should play it either

[subtle heron]

Think I trolled myself with not using Circe's also.

[winter shoal]

Different classes have different strengths, so you might go one of a few different specs depending on what your raid comp's actual bottleneck is

[quiet breach]

so if u have a windwalker, fury similar performance, if you dont, arms significantly outperforms?

[edgy widget]

Fury does around 2x more reel damage than Arms (which is still low compared to what actual good classes will do to them, but if you really need Reel damage, every bit matters)

[warm crag]

other way around

[edgy widget]

so if you're in my position - a raid with no shadow priests (instead of the average 2-3), no WW monks, etc... yeah you might want to focus adds more

[heavy nacelle]

yeah its nice to have skyfury + monk, almost makes you feel like fury isnt bad 😛

[junior gale]

I dont think its insane or anything just a valid option. Seeing some logs of it pop up and Crit was progging rav slayer yesterday and liked it

[tepid cedar]

yea final bos i absolutely wrecked them lol

[opal monolith]

Hey archi

at howmany targets does it become worth it on aoe to always prio BT over RB, would it be worth it on something like first boss mechagon>?

for fishing TB

[winter shoal]

APL says 6

[heavy galleon]

I'm so excited for tomorrow buff... oh wait, no buff for us

[winter shoal]

Silm says 2+ is fine

[opal monolith]

oh damn

ye ive seen both being said

i just did a 14 with a boomie and an unholy and im kinda sad lul

[winter shoal]

I mean

Yeah

You are not there for aoe damage in that group

[opal monolith]

firrst pull 26m unholy boomie 16m and i got like 8m because i could barely even be in melee with all the bombs going off

was just depressing

[winter shoal]

You are there to nuke prio targets and bosses

[opal monolith]

yea true but mehh

ah well

it is what it is

[gleaming siren]

Where does this 2x number come from

[edgy widget]

my ass

[gleaming siren]

Okay

Makes sense then

[edgy widget]

it came from the handful of logs I bothered to look at

[fervent yoke]

No buffs but they will find a way to nerf us

[gleaming siren]

I see Arms logs with 170-250m Assistant damage, Fury logs top out at 280m

from quick sample

[edgy widget]

the important part is that Fury does noticeably more Reel damage than Arms does, whether its strictly 2x, or 1.5x, or 3x doesn't really matter and will depend a lot on the comp

[gleaming siren]

Honestly if you actually hard swap and with Arms being more frontloaded

it wont really matter

[edgy widget]

eh

[gleaming siren]

Even in worse comps

[edgy widget]

it still depends on the comp and what you have available

• An Arms Warrior in a low Reel damage group is going to get more personal Reel damage
• whereas a Fury Warrior in a high Reel damage group is going to get less personal Reel damage
  However, on average Fury will do more, potentially even as much as 2x more, Reel damage than Arms will

and if you're playing Fury on the fight, it's probably because you either really need Reel damage or you're just a big Fury enjoyer in general

also my statement was based on what I looked at pre-nerf; post-nerf it is more forgiving for sure

[austere perch]

Noob question, what do yall mean when you say Reel damage? Google doesn't elaborate

[edgy widget]

Its an add in the fight

[winter shoal]

Reel Assistants

[austere perch]

Oh duh

[edgy widget]

every minute or so, the boss runs to the center and spawns three adds, which you have to kill in order to deposit a coin that stops the boss from berserking and influences its next actions

on Mythic, the damage check for killing them is (or at least was) very tight, particularly if you didn't have a group comp well suited to spread cleave, which is why many early groups brought 2-4 shadow priests

[austere perch]

Thanks for the info, was thinking it was terminology for like non cd damage or something

Just came back to the game and started maining / playing war for the first time since wrath

[strong hazel]

Only got one 10 slot on this alt

[waxen vale]

since this is being talked about. should we worry about frenzy when going to second add or just blast it? how big is the loss restacking it vs the small gain lol. Ultimately “is your group killing adds fast enough” I know

[strong hazel]

Wish me weapon luck

[feral ivy]

do yall q for m+ if there is another warrior in it lol

[frank dawn]

dps? not usually lol

[fading sky]

Never

[chilly fractal]

If there are friends in the group otherwise no (prot warriors excluded)

[azure holly]

I just got subbed in for Bandit, am very confused on which add to bait coin towards

is the idea to bait onto the 2nd prio, or the 3rd one?

it seems random to me idk

I follow the calls but I don't understand why

[warm crag]

you dont bait coins at all

or well not towards adds

you should be baiting them towards the middle of the room ish

then a hunter or some ranged should roll them back at the adds

[azure holly]

ok always mid then towards hunter

I guess the other ones are just misses

which confused me

[warm crag]

idk go watch the dratnos guide

you should not be this uninformed on a boss of this difficulty

its like 20 minutes and has all the info probably

[edgy widget]

Yeah you absolutely bait them, just toward the middle of the room (for most sets, there are a couple add sets that it's generally better to bait them along the edge)

one coin baits towards melee the other on ranged

[edgy widget]

just stand with all the other melee lol

[warm crag]

idk rwf didnt do it we dont need to do it either

[edgy widget]

but the idea is to make it easy for people to get the High Roller buff as the coin goes by, and to make it easy for the hunter or w/e other poor bastard is responsible for chasing them and sending them back

[warm crag]

bait all the coins towards the middle every time and no one gets rolled ever

[edgy widget]

getting rolled over is just a skill issue regardless of where they're sent, since you want to be near them anyway to get the buff

[warm crag]

sorry are you saying to roll into adds or into the middle of the room

cause i did correct myself to say bait into middle of room like 1 line later

[edgy widget]

there's no such thing as baiting coins to roll into adds (unless you're the shooter, obviously, but that's not really 'baiting')

[warm crag]

ye ther eis

the boss coins can also break adds some guilds intentionally baited coins that way

it is not worth the risk of rolling someone due to weird coins tho

[edgy widget]

you could hypothetically kill add 1 and bait the coin to hit the 2nd/3rd, but that's pointless becuase there are more than enough coins to do it with the sendback

I'm sure someone does it, but very few

[warm crag]

ok we're saying the same thing ig

[edgy widget]

Yeah

[azure holly]

yeah we just had a pull where we baited from right to left

and sometimes towards middle

I just stack on melee but I don't get the pattern 😄

[warm crag]

intentionally or cause your melee are being dumbasses

[azure holly]

it was called

100% intentional

[warm crag]

tell your raidlead to stop being a dumbass

[azure holly]

they will call me a dumbass, won't do that

[restive pine]

guys what is the weakaura that shows you the '' ! '' sign to use spell reflect ? saw crit and novix have it.

[azure holly]

I'll ask officer during break what's going on with this strat

[edgy widget]

but the reason you don't (ideally) bait them toward the center of the room on add sets is because you're kiting adds to the center, and you don't want people getting blown up by dynamite (this shouldn't be a real concern cause there's plenty of time but people are dumb and will inevitably get hit trying to get the buff)

those sets are typically the only exception though

[warm crag]

i dont think they can call you a dumbass if you tell them to play the fight like everyone else does instead of inventing garbage strats

[edgy widget]

Don't think I'd phrase it that way, but yeah

[warm crag]

you're 100% sure its not just your hunter calling which add he is currently rolling a coin towards?

[azure holly]

so we're doing something niche then?

what's the normal, always towards middle?

[edgy widget]

I guess that depends if you're actually trying to bait the coin in weird directions on purpose, or if people are just standing in bad positions and doing it on accident

[warm crag]

yes you bait central ish so the coin ends up in the back of the room and a hunter rebounds the coin towards the correct add

[edgy widget]

you also want them in the center so that people can get the buff

[azure holly]

so what might be the reason we bait via melee? hunter problems?

timings?

[edgy widget]

if you're baiting the coins across the room to another add, then ranged aren't ever gonna get the buff

[warm crag]

there is none

[edgy widget]

not to mention you've got like 5 people trying to aim correctly instead of just one

[warm crag]

it just makes the hunters job of getting rid of coins infinitely worse and coin rolling will become inf less predictable

[azure holly]

I see

gonna ask on break what exactly we're doing so I don't thow anyone under the bus 😛

[edgy widget]

this is how it typically should be done

with the intent of
A. Making it easy for ranged to get the buff
B. Making it easy for the shooter (usually Hunter) to stay in a centralized position instead of running across the map

[azure holly]

ok so officer says to bait towards 3rd add or wall

so that's what we're doing 🤷‍♂️

says it "saves a throw for our hunter"

[azure holly]

thanks for taking the time to illustrate also 😄

[edgy widget]

the (largely optional) exception is when you're doing the add set, you can bait down the side of the room instead, which isn't a major optimization but it makes it easier to kite through the center of the room

[azure holly]

yeah I saw that in Dratnos video

and Critcake

[edgy widget]

you don't really "have" to do it by any means, just a thing that some groups do

[edgy widget]

but in this case, baiting across the room (like toward square) means your ranged are basically never gonna get that buff, and your hunter has to run to africa every other set

not to mention you need ~5 melee to all aim the bait correctly, which can be kinda difficult to do while looking backwards

[azure holly]

apparently it's really imporant to save hunter a throw, idk

[edgy widget]

it's really not

[azure holly]

is it normally a solo hunter doing it?

[edgy widget]

yes

[azure holly]

is it skill issue here then or?

[edgy widget]

strat issue

[azure holly]

ok so it's probably not hunter vouching for it

is what I'm getting at

wouldn't want to blame wrong person 😄

[edgy widget]

you get 2 coins at the start of the fight before any adds spawn
and then another 2 coins with each add spawn

and there are only 3 adds to break, so you basically always have 1 extra coin

aside from the exception above, the hunter should basically be standing in the backcenter of the room (star on my map), only moving a little to their left or right for wherever the coin happens to go

[azure holly]

yeah that's what I thought too, so was confused when I saw this strat

[edgy widget]

if I had to guess, they probably think that having melee bait a coin is faster, since you don't have to wait for a hunter to send it back

but again, you have a surpluss of coins, and only two adds need to die asap, the third can wait

[azure holly]

I'll forward this feedback after tonight and see what they say

[edgy widget]

so the way it should work is

• fight starts, you get 2 coins
• first set of adds spawn, those 2 coins go into the 2 priority adds
• new coins are baited around the time the first of the three adds dies, melee moves onto the next (already broken) priority add
• one of those new coins is sent into the 3rd (non-priority) add, while the other is saved for the next set

and then you just kinda leapfrog it

[warm crag]

statistically you will bait a coin wrong and your hunter has to go into blue shit now to roll the coin

no serious guild did that

[wispy cape]

Absolutely belted up

[edgy widget]

Yeah that's a good point, you usually have blue shit along the sides as well and any coin that misses is gonna be fubar

here's a timeline view of the coin casts during P1

• green bar = coins coming out of bandit
• purple bar = add deaths

they probably just think this strat is faster for the sets where you can only break 1 add before the new coins spawn, and they're right that it technically is

but it's also way more prone to failure, and you don't really need to rush that fast either; particularly since the goal is to insert the add-dropped tokens right before fraud detection (in order to milk timers), rather than killing adds and inserting as soon as possible, which just results in having to do more mechanics

I guess if your ranged are absolutely allergic to kicking, there's a benefit to killing the adds as soon as humanly possible, but otherwise... they don't really do anything

[azure holly]

I wonder if they tried the normal strat first nights and changed to this

maybe dps was low? idk

[edgy widget]

dps shouldn't really have anything to do with it, the only benefit of this strat is if your dps is inordinately high and you're worried about the 2nd or 3rd add sitting at 25% while waiting to be broken

but again, as long as you're still killing them ahead of fraud detection that doesn't really matter - in fact, it's a good thing since it means more time to put damage into the boss

[chilly fractal]

So many belts

[undone flower]

Is your hunter an officer perchance ?

[azure holly]

nope

[undone flower]

If it’s not coming from him idk, bc it doesn’t change anything to him

[azure holly]

I was told you can taunt and spell reflect the Assistant casts, but it seems not?

I taunt them but they don't seem to change target

or do I have to do it before they start cast or something

[mossy fox]

one armed bandit assistants?

[azure holly]

yessir

[warm crag]

i think you gotta taunt after they're done casting on someone else

its weird and worth doing but its not the end of the world if you don't

[azure holly]

yeah so do I taunt so I have aggro before cast start?

[fallen sedge]

soooo how do you guys deal with the first pull of workshop? tanks tend to pull the whole group but I feel like I am just petting them due to target caps

[mossy fox]

yeah taunt them pretty much as soon as they spawn and you can reflect the lightning cast, or do what spongie said

[azure holly]

will do

[warm crag]

press n and arms

[azure holly]

been taunting mid cast etc sometimes and it clearly didn't work

[mossy fox]

they do need to target you before the cast starts

target is locked in when the cast starts

[warm crag]

i think they retarget after ending their cast

so taunting during cast is wrong

[fallen sedge]

oof... should I really just reroll to a non capped class?

[warm crag]

idk its not mandatory to kill the boss at all

[warm crag]

idk what you want out of the game king

if you want to fotm reroll you should go fotm reroll

[fallen sedge]

nah I just want 3k, but that seems to be really painful to get with pugs

[warm crag]

game is easier and more fun with friends/guildies ya

[flat river]

what are friends

[whole yacht]

3k isn't that difficult with pugs. I've done it numerous seasons. Just be picky

Make your own key

[spiral orbit]

Am I missing anything with Mister lock n stock? Got a mythic in vault and it's beating everything else in the game for ST. If my guild is on OAB given there's value in st there and mugzee does it seem like an auto pick versus a socket?

WOndering if the sim is not accounting for anything, etc.

[whole yacht]

Lock n stalk after buffs is pretty good now for us

It shouldn't beat EVERYTHING in the game at same ilvl. But it's up there

[remote bobcat]

it got giga buffed some time ago, it's actually good

[young swan]

yeah it cranks

[spiral orbit]

ok tks just making sure theres not a trap i dont see, i m gonna get it and it has some aoe value during add phases gally and oab

[thorny peak]

I thought lock n stalk was only good in single target

[modest condor]

it's not the most impressive on aoe no

[spare mantle]

i thought that viscera trinket was solid but aint simming so great in full myth upgrade

have hero house / mechano

[smoky vale]

@warm crag i have more evidence

i do keys with friends, gala does not

[warm crag]

interesting

[smoky vale]

as stated by this message#fury message

he does not so i am not him

i am revvez57

[spiral orbit]

It's not a great AOE trinket. However I am saying on mostly st fights like OAB or even gallywix, it at least has a way to do slightly more in aoe phases which is why i like it as opposed to a pure single target trinket

[young swan]

dont use it for aoe ever

use it for pure ST

it only ever does damage to your target

so its not even fake prio damage

[spiral orbit]

weird

[whole yacht]

What are the best aoe trinkets

[marble pilot]

Lockenstock on aoe mode goes hard. But I dunno if its bis

[kind coral]

#1237307732705415228 message

Does the Slayer Sudden Death tracker work with Fury, or is there another I can use to help out? Thanks for the advice

[young swan]

it definitely doesnt

[young swan]

house of cards + mechano-core/pacemaker

[whole yacht]

I figured house of cards would be on that list

The one trinket I've seen drop numerous times and can't get

[smoky vale]

but it has similar conditions 🙂

[young swan]

idk whats weird about it, a good st trinket does good st damage and its "aoe" mod is split damage (shit damage)

[marble pilot]

I havnt thought about it since like week 2. Must have mixed it up just looked. Ive been use pacemaker/reverb radio for almost everything.

[sullen dove]

its increasing per target its still like fine in keys like 3-4%ish no, just not as good as like a stat on use or something of course

[young swan]

split damage is always increased per target and its always shit

better off just farming signet of the priory and pacemaker

[sullen dove]

oh nawl not the signet 😭

[young swan]

its a good trinket

[sullen dove]

2 min explosion

[young swan]

legit nothing wrong with it

u just use it with whichever cd's are closest

[flat river]

guys i only did 1 key but im too bored to do more

[young swan]

trinket cd's literally do not matter at all with AM

[sullen dove]

i cant wait for my ravager and 1 thunderblast to do 10% more damage

[earnest canyon]

same I just cant be fucked

[young swan]

especially when roar does legit 0 dam

if roar was actually a worthwhile button to press maybe suggesting signet would be troll

but its so bad

[sullen dove]

first time ive seen this msg lol

[feral ivy]

does that do to anything with the sim or nah?

[sullen dove]

doubt it

why does the ratfang not beat mr cocknstalk

only 2k behind tho not bad

ratfang angle rise up?

[distant nacelle]

Is viscera of coalesced hatred good at mythic track? My sims says that (also over a 665 pacemaker)

[sullen dove]

think its good if u got nothing else

just like a dam trink or something ya

[clever belfry]

15% moment

[sullen dove]

not beatin a cocknstalk but seen ppl on logs with it

[clever belfry]

ratfang angle

[velvet obsidian]

Ratfang is goated

[sullen dove]

ratfang angle

[clever belfry]

i think ill set ratfang to ilvl 1000

and itll be bis

[sullen dove]

real news

man do i do like 4 keys before raid to craft something that'd give me like 30k dps eugh

thats like... a ton of work

could do t11 delves i guess shave off 20 crests

still have to do like 3 keys

[dull cliff]

I figured this is the best space to ask, what is the difference between funnel, council, and cleave damage profiles? Most talent builds vary by only 1-3 talents but do they make that much of a difference and what actually are those damage profiles? Google is useless in this case.

[sullen dove]

are those profiles on wowhead builds or somethin?

funnel doesnt really exist for us in any capacity, some specs sorta but thats when the presence of more mobs around a main target makes you do more damage to that main target

like arcane mages i think sorta funnel or something

[spare steppe]

funnel is you do damage to one target and it damages others (sin/arcane)

[sullen dove]

council is like all mobs have the same health usually and sorta have to die together kinda like "even aoe dps" and cleave is just like theres 1 main target and a bunch of shitty targets around it and you just kill the shitty things

[dull cliff]

It's just what most knowledgeable people say. Like the hell is the difference between cleave in council, generally I am trying to hit all targets.

[spare steppe]

oh wait

swordish going for it i can sit and do nothing

[sullen dove]

this is also just what i think they describe mostly i mean other ppl may have more specifics to add

[clever belfry]

You're just describing cleave

[sullen dove]

but i think generally cleave is just random adds on a boss you aoe together, and council is you aoe a bunch of bosses with the same hp

[spare steppe]

no its specifically that damage is coming from the single target

[clever belfry]

funnel is gaining ST from hitting multiple targets

[spare steppe]

caustic splatter is funnel isnt it?

[dull cliff]

That is why I am confused. I can't learn and improve if I don't understand basic concepts.

[clever belfry]

Say u dot targets and gain more resources that u spend on ST

[sullen dove]

i mean if youre talkin about a warrior warrior does 0 funnel

[clever belfry]

no, that's cleave

[spare steppe]

ah shadow priest

[dull cliff]

Just trying to learn terminology in general.

[sullen dove]

maybe arms doing some sweeping strikes shit can be considered funnel getting more cdr on demolish or something but thats a stretch

[spare steppe]

more insanity from multi-dotting = more damage into main target

interesting

[clever belfry]

last ssn thane kinda hat funnel

due to getting more tblasts

But now blast tblast is weak as balls compared to general buttons

there isn't really funnel specs like there used to anymore

[sullen dove]

but yea
funnel: more damage on boss because adds are involved than if you were just single targeting the boss
council: aoe where all mobs have the same/close to the same hp and usually all have to die at the same time
cleave: 1 main boss enemy and a few shitter adds/mobs around it that usually just die

the first 2 arent really that common

[clever belfry]

sub rogue in bfa / sl was funnel

[dull cliff]

I mainly play prot and fury warrior, but if someone says this is a cleave or council I want to understand why and if I should be playing differently.

[sullen dove]

i dont think most people think or worry about any of those terminologies when doing bosses

[clever belfry]

cleave and council i would not class seperately

[sullen dove]

they just kinda pick the talents ppl run on the fight and maybe look at logs to see when cds are used when and just kinda go

also kinda true even tho the "what youre attacking" is different in those 2 you still are gonna do the same thing

just aoe talents and aoe everything

[clever belfry]

if anything you'd class
cleave (stacked)
aoe (stacked)
spreadcleave (maybe they mean this by council)

[dull cliff]

Mk, I am stepping into mythic this season so I am trying to not be a hindrance and expand my knowledge.

[clever belfry]

cleave and aoe kinda same, it's just a target count thing

[sullen dove]

ya is fine, and those kinds of things especially arent really a tank concern

at maximum it might help to like move boss onto adds when they spawn if you can/if the fight calls for it

to more effectively aoe/cleave them

[clever belfry]

tanks generally cleave by virtue of existing

[half saddle]

Hmmm I have Mythic Seaforium pacemaker and heroic Mechano amplifier... was excited to see i got H eye of kezan in vault today. but the sims says its a downgrade if i equip it... YET all BIS lists say Eye of kezan is my BiS... thoughts??

[sullen dove]

but thats about the most tank role should ever have to think about those terms

[sullen dove]

if you mythic raid get eye of kezan

[clever belfry]

depends on ur stats and fight duration innit

[sullen dove]

otherwise its just prolly better on like last 2 of heroic maybe

maybe not even mugzee

since he kinda dies fast

if u only heroic raid every week and do m+ eye alot less important

[half saddle]

sims say its literally a 30k dps loss. and yeah were dabbling in mythgic rn. were 2/8 atm

[sullen dove]

ya if you like prog regularly it should be better on long fights, as for why it sims bad idk i mean could be pacemaker or amplifier like gives you like a significant important amount of secondaries or something that you dont have from gear otherwise

dont exactly remember how amp works

but like its to be expected eye "should be" really good on those long drawn out fights

like 8k extra mainstat

[sullen dove]

yea i mean idk secondary shifting is like a super weird theme of this xpac

like 15 different sources changing their values all the time

[half saddle]

it threw me offguard. was expecting that Eye to be a crazy upgrade

[sullen dove]

couldnt really give you like a specific science as to why some trinks are better over others when the other "should be" bis or close to it, only like guess i can make is maybe like your crit is so low like pacemaker buffs it to the level it needs to be at and like the mechano proc also buffs that or something, if you are able it might be prudent to try simming some diff stat combos of crafted gear/gems/enchants but idk robot typically is correct

you can just check a log of how long your mythic kills/pulls last tho and sim for that time to get a better idea of its value there

[half saddle]

thats a good idea

[sullen dove]

like rik tending to be a 5-6min ish long fight usually

for ppl just progging it probably gonna be closer to 6

[tidal kindle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hNJCcyiF47oT18kQbgoZGT

👀

[sullen dove]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/93iFphkyGsBskVzQ1zQpU3

the .653 is if i get all my crests and upgrades

and the extra 8k was just seeing how much cauldron gloves might be if they drop and which would be better to upgrade

[tidal kindle]

[sullen dove]

but like 31k to craft m pants and final shoulder upgrade over what i got rn

[half saddle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5K5UHsZ3v3AXvK5tpxMVyy

well looks like Mythic mittens it is for now haha

[sullen dove]

simming 4 minutes?

[half saddle]

ill try 6

[sullen dove]

default usually 5

if u default 4 then yea prolly decent reason to why kezan looks terrible

it might not still win on 5 but like lessen the gap

[dim tinsel]

Why is it that sometimes on pull i have 79 rage after reck avatar and sometimes its 80 exact?

[silk wharf]

Out of combat rage decay.

[dim tinsel]

Makes sense yeah

Thanks

[half saddle]

Good call, thats what it was. its 8k in the green now.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sqsdEvDDopA3MvLDh1WLQ3

thanks guys 🙂

[sullen dove]

i think i maybe heard some bonzai tech or something that you like heroic throw on pull timer like 1s or 0 or whatever

keep you in combat

havent tried that the

maybe will here

see if you consistently keep the 80 rage

[silk wharf]

Seems like it should work in theory.

[sullen dove]

could also just completely mis-attribute the credit for that in which case gg

[smoky vale]

me when i hc > reck charge ava cbust

[smoky vale]

was bonzai tech

[silk wharf]

I have heroic throw unbound currently.

[feral ivy]

unless im not in supper high keys but im seeing comments under a YT video saying VH DH aggro sucks??

[silk wharf]

So I will just eat the lost 10th of a global recking when combat begins.

[smoky vale]

what else do you press when you have to sit out of range

[silk wharf]

Nothing, becuse I got tired of procs happening

My gut feely math told me if a proc was going to happen it was worth more than a throw or two would ever be.

If I used it with abilities

[smoky vale]

you would only press when you have to afk

[silk wharf]

yes, exactly

and if you throw and trinket procs

[smoky vale]

you could hit a ww/tc on way out

[silk wharf]

You sit, afk, the proc

[smoky vale]

what trinket

pacemaker?

or

[silk wharf]

You are being way too specific. Any proc. Jastor, trinkets, bis.

[smoky vale]

i dont think losing 2-3 seconds of a random proc is going to make a difference

[silk wharf]

See, and I dont think tossing throws with the risk of losing proc uptime is going to make a difference.

They are both valid opinions.

[smoky vale]

maybe but i think its worth if i can get a kezan stack

[twilit timber]

Not a great vault this week rip. Mythic tier gloves best piece :(

Heroic jastors or eye of kazan when

[odd garden]

am i restarted for weighing between hero best in slots over the myth polearm (currently have hero circuit breaker and crafted 2hand)

[gilded pawn]

mythic weapon should outsim heroic bis on mainhadn

not sure about offhand

[odd garden]

hmmm

[static rock]

I feel like my sims aren't in line with a regular fury warrior, any input? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ns7Vkkj9mjVqjyR38rhMK3

[tired dragon]

Simming without lust and other buffs?

[warm rain]

hey guys is mechano core still one of our bis trinkets or has it changed at all?

asking because of vault decision lol

and blood mallet shows it lower

[grave shore]

How is dungeon slice for fury? Any good?

[snow edge]

#updates-midnight message

[grave shore]

Also is there a good video guide? Hardcore adhd. I prefer something I can rewind and repeat things.

[honest sundial]

2dks and and aug in priory

[warm rain]

thanks I didn't see this, much appreciated!

[kind coral]

starting out in a fight, do I press execute with SD proc to get ashen juggernaut rolling, or do I wait until I get to 2 charges of SD to press it? Also, does prio move up to not sit on 2 charges of SD, or do we continue to only use it to refresh AJ, SD proc before it falls off, 3 stacks of marked execution

[vale quartz]

Any reason you got bleeding disabled? Just trying to track one time damage during sim?

[queen panther]

Is amplifier still a sim trap?

[sullen dove]

no raid buffs?

and no lust?

and maybe try frenzied enrage instead of powerful

otherwise talents and gear look good idk

[modest condor]

hi farover

[honest sundial]

hi sil

[modest condor]

you're blasting this season

[honest sundial]

I was lucky beginning of the season *

[modest condor]

you managed to roll a meta comp + warrior?

[honest sundial]

not really fully meta

more that i met some blasters and we do some keys

[modest condor]

nice

[honest sundial]

I had to switch to arms tho 😢

but my eyes bleed when i play fury

[modest condor]

fury is down bad

[honest sundial]

But good thing about resilient is that now i could farm all 17s as fury with pugs kekw

And just get boosted

[modest condor]

lol

[sullen dove]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f36cmAHnAtnQsj3wu7YpED

[modest condor]

?

[smoky vale]

its back

[modest condor]

im confusion

[silk wharf]

Remember that delve trinkets only go to hero. So when you are comparing any of the delve trinkets to others, on default settings, the raid trinkets are a higher ilvl tier.

[static rock]

was that with all buffs on?

[silk wharf]

Drink, lens and amplifier are essentially bis quality trinkets until you can get Bandit down on mythic.

[turbid bay]

How does the parsing percentile work for dungeons? Does it just compare for that key level, does it run the parse on overall damage? Just want to compare myself against other warriors

[sullen dove]

uh ya

[warm rain]

yup got it thx!

[static rock]

Why is that ring simming so high wtf

[smoky vale]

aug

[static rock]

i literally simmed again with that ring and got something way different

[quiet breach]

so once u time all 12s, and u get a 13 key, even if u deplete that 13 key it will remain as 13? or will it go to 12 and not go any lower?

[whole yacht]

i think 12, and it wont go lower

[snow edge]

Resilient applies to the key level you’ve completed across the board - so you’d need all 13s for a 13 not to go lower on deplete

[undone flower]

And if you down your key to 11 it can deplete again btw

[sullen dove]

dats wack

but ig only works for 12s w/e

[keen kindle]

Waot wtf

That's stupid

[undone flower]

Yeah someone asked in prot channel so I tried myself

[flat river]

objectively best anime character is Lion Sin Escanor

[honest sundial]

You mean it can deplete 11->10?

Unlucky then

[edgy widget]

nobody else do Vexie today, k? k

[modest condor]

ok i wont

[flat river]

say less, will do vexie rn

[whole yacht]

finally got one

[winter shoal]

We do a little sprocketing

[winter shoal]

Stix

[quiet breach]

not padding hard enough

[static rock]

what was the time for kill?

[sullen dove]

gonna do a quick little 547.37/2.69 and determine approximately 203 seconds or 3 min 23

[marble schooner]

just got Best-in-slots, do we macro it to reck and forget?

does it share cd with trinks?

[quiet breach]

Dawg i got assigned to mine

and i got the mine all the way accross the room from the boss

i cri

[bitter palm]

wdym still

never was

it oversimmed very slightly

[marble schooner]

yeah looks like this is the play

[winter shoal]

3:23 (heroic)

[winter shoal]

HOLY

[sullen dove]

no freaking way

[edgy widget]

that's why it's removed from all stars!

[whole yacht]

truuuee

[winter shoal]

Archi pulling strings to protect his all stars rank

I was higher than you for like one day but then I fell off

[modest condor]

washed up

[winter shoal]

I have a screenshot somewhere it's okay

[coral dock]

How are all these people on the logs using Bladestorm at the beginning of the fight and then getting to cast it again at like 16-18 seconds

i am literally casting rampage the second i get enough energy and execute when i have 2 or 3 stacks of marked

but i can never get enough cd reduction to cast bladestorm a 2nd time until like 28-30 seconds

[winter shoal]

Lust, frenzied enrage, maybe PI

I got it back at 0:25 with all of those https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7mp4ZqvC2rJRnhDW?fight=6&type=casts&source=4&ability=446035

Slayer strikes rng I guess

[turbid bay]

Its normal to get it back by the end of your first avatar

Fitting the 2nd one in the first avatar feels good

[coral dock]

I've never been able to do that but I usually do get it back at around 25-26 seconds or so

[turbid bay]

Like bigbowl said its mostly luck based on slayer procs

But just thinking on it i think i am getting pi

[royal copper]

Any officials about Fury chances at all?

[static rock]

wdym? blizzard doesn't even know we exist

[royal copper]

🙁 okay just horrible M+ DPS

[static rock]

Been that way for awhile now, hasn't even been acknowledged yet, only warrior changes were nerfs to prot pretty sure, and that was 2-3 weeks ago at this point

[silk wharf]

My best craft is 26k. =/

[royal copper]

Yeah I’m aware - hoped something positive might coming soon tho. Ohh well.. still tryin other classes meanwhile… nothing can compare to a Warrior unfortunely.

—- “Play DeathKnight or Arms” just sloppy and slow spec and class tbh

[modest condor]

you'll be able to 1shot yourself to the reflect shield in priory with wrecking throw after the patch

[royal copper]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-funny-good-one-gif-10820434279148874810

[solemn widget]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2uYoxYMDUtNKem8byLPv2B showing Mister lock and stock is better than by Hero Funhouse lens by 5k dps is that bait or is that real and true

[turbid bay]

Lock and stock is a good trinket after the buffs

[marble schooner]

blessed Richard

[solemn widget]

is there a how to on Lock and stock trinket?

do i just hit on 20 second cd or just need to hit once?

[turbid bay]

It changes it from aoe to single target

Just change it to the mode you need and leave it

[young swan]

been real and true

[young swan]

never press it

leave it on precision targetting

or whatever its called

aoe mode is a meme

[solemn widget]

ty

[edgy widget]

thats' ok, my M all star sucks because I always sit vexie lol

[queen panther]

@bitter palm Before the sim was procing both the high roll and low roll at the same time.

[summer quail]

just because it was oversimming didn't mean it was bad tho

[bitter palm]

it wasnt a big oversim

its still a really good trinket

[queen panther]

I never said it was bad kek.

[bitter palm]

and i said it was a slight oversim and thats exactly what it was

[summer quail]

i mean calling it simbait is the same as calling it bad basically

[queen panther]

Oh okay, that's all I wanted to know.

[unborn rover]

Stupid question. Does it matter if you have a 2h axe crafted over the 2h sword? Is the sword better somehow?

[winter shoal]

Mine just sucks because I suck 🙂

97 on Rik (not locked in)

[keen kindle]

Nope just a matter of what's cheaper

[unborn rover]

Thank you

[edgy widget]

my overall avg on M is fine, 99.3

just all stars is low cause I haven't been to Vexie since week 2, so by now that 99 is like rank 3k

[winter shoal]

You have a 99.3 avg in mythic, I have a 99.3 in heroic, we are not the same (mine is better because larger sample size)

[edgy widget]

all thanks to stix not counting!

This is a much better tier for me than last though, that's for sure

[quiet breach]

bruh i had to go all the way across the room to get a mine and still got a 96 thats insane. how does THIS one end up being my best parse i dont get it

[edgy widget]

well, not a whole lot of downtime if you use your mobility

[quiet breach]

i had to run after heroic leaping

it was that far

[edgy widget]

I got a 97 on Rik today, despite half the raid dying (including myself) and limping through the last 15% of the encounter

just comical

[winter shoal]

You should anticipate where you're being knocked to/from and position accordingly

[edgy widget]

almost redeemed my Sprocket, but we had a ninja pull so my opener was a little scuffed... ended with a 98 (still rank 12 tho)

[winter shoal]

The knock locations are scripted

[edgy widget]

he was saying to get a mine, not the intermission

[quiet breach]

oh u mean the knock affter popping the mine?

does that knock idr

[winter shoal]

OH

unlucky

[quiet breach]

was my first time being assigned to a mine

i was the 4th mine in the last group

[winter shoal]

I was feuding with our udk bc he beat me on sprocket last week and I told him I'd beat him with PI

I did not

But our priest died so I only got one PI

Surely that makes the difference

[summer quail]

yikes, i have crafted neck and everything else is shit. prob taking neck anyway

[compact knot]

i see that dogshit trinket in like every vault

and it just takes up a dungeon slot every time

[summer quail]

yea i've seen it 2 times as well

[sullen dove]

guys i didnt know 🔥 🐲 actually demolished raid as well

thought just a key thing i been playing scalecommander in raid

but i went insane on this heroic gally

[sudden tusk]

p sure dev is the highest simming spec

[heavy bolt]

question time

is this wep

omega trolling

[keen kindle]

That's in the rota for delves?

The answer is probally yes but holy

[heavy bolt]

yeah I didnt know either

[junior gale]

its certainly not worth picking over the myth track items

[heavy bolt]

I`m simming rn , if I get troll results I will post

[junior gale]

those cantrip weapons are only good when compared to equal ilvl weps

[onyx summit]

blizzard is messing with me

two hard choices

[timber hare]

looks like one easy choice to me

[onyx summit]

trink?

[timber hare]

jastor lmao

whats your sim saying

[onyx summit]

trinket 😂

[timber hare]

surprising

[onyx summit]

wait

[timber hare]

id say that ring is a lot harder to get then the trinky

[onyx summit]

thats what im saying XD

[onyx summit]

this is for raid btw

been trying to get the trink for 3 weeks and this week it gave the ring with it

[timber hare]

well you got footbomb which is a great ring

[ornate gust]

i got that doshit trinket too!

[timber hare]

yeah well just get the trinky then

or try your weekly delvers bounty to see if u can get it first

[onyx summit]

thats a good idea thx

[unreal onyx]

Just get trinket and buy ring with dinar

Surely they come soon

[wanton mirage]

pog?

[sullen dove]

poggers??

[solemn widget]

on mythic 1 arm if im playing M thane. should i send Reck Ravager that comes up like 15 20 seconds before adds or hold for little adds that spawn?

[vital abyss]

any good on fury? sim says it's worse than both my hero track energy drink as well as my champion track mechano core lel

[wanton mirage]

u will hate it the more u use it :3

[vital abyss]

i have it on my main who is a balance druid and i hate it there too because it never aligns

ugh

[summer quail]

nahh it's pretty meh

[vital abyss]

unfortunately it's the only myth item i have in the vault because i only did one 10 key on this alt last week, sadge

[fickle cedar]

decent i suppose, not the worst, since we have 2 cds that we juggle it usually gets used a lot (first ava -> 4th reck) so its not sitting there waiting for aligns

[low folio]

Signet can still be mostly aligned with your reck ravaged

And you could technically have it align with best in slots if you get it

[willow patrol]

the viscera seems pretty good for ST but pretty bad for m+

it got speed on it too

[trail bane]

Why did it have to happen this way

[vital abyss]

suffering from success

[willow patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/xena-xena-warrior-princess-lucy-lawless-season3-s3ep1-gif-22122453

[jade cipher]

GUYS is anyone having problems with their A or D button while holding right click, sometimes my character stops moving and i have to press it again to move, its so annoying

and its not a keyboard issue

[summer quail]

easy choice tho. jastor anyday

[torpid cypress]

i feel like i do more dps than last week is it only me? or im just having a great night xD

[dry pendant]

guys whats the gameplay?

Sim says shoulders, it hurts, cuz finally I got the delve trinket..

[torpid cypress]

get the delve trinket

[spring oar]

Do a map first before you take it

[torpid cypress]

yeah just incase of but yeah delve trinket is just pretty rare still stuck with the champion one and i can find a replacement to be fair

[wanton mirage]

I just grabbed a mythic head instead of mechano amp

[dry pendant]

My sim is sayin Locken trinket is more valuable then delve trink

confused

[torpid cypress]

mythic head is probly a better upgrade short term but ngl its alot easier to get a myth head than mech amp hero

[dry pendant]

locken trinket is massive too.. well, probably taking the shoulders

fu** man

my droptimizer for mythic, all 678 gear, is 2.548M maxed

Im at 2.544M, literally done

[torpid cypress]

your definitly siming 8min + for that kezan to be better than mech amp

[warm crag]

you can see the sim length lol

[sullen dove]

5min def normal for kezan to be better

[sullen dove]

also droptimizer is just 1 piece xd

and theres no way mythic bis is 4k dps over what u have

its like 50k higher for me

[summer quail]

That's not how it works xD. I am nowhere near bis and sim 2.6m

[fiery edge]

is this more survivability than feet on ground?

[young swan]

yes

[silk wharf]

I'm so lost when people use ability names. I know barely any.

[fiery edge]

i'll just say right or left next time

[lethal canopy]

Can anyone help me with a log review? i cant understand why raging blow is supposed to be my highest damage on simc

[silk wharf]

Because you smash the hell out of it.

[flat river]

Should be rampage

In Mountain Thane atleast

[silk wharf]

Its rampage in slayer too

[spring oar]

I have tried simming pretty much every way I can and that trinket just seems like a downgrade, sims worse than kazan+locknstock / energy drink

fuck do i take 😄

[potent sphinx]

Pumping!

[flat river]

Hope i get either mythic pacemaker or mythic tier

[sour frigate]

No u get viscera tome and something like cape

[gleaming siren]

you already posted vaults?

[flat river]

Nope

Will open in 30 min

[warm crag]

Yes you did

[gleaming siren]

yea huh I am not hallucinating

@flat river amnesia

[flat river]

No?

Wtf

BRUH I AM NOT GIO

Wallahi i ain't gio

[dense elbow]

we know, on that acc you are Gala. We know, Gio

[gleaming siren]

thats what Gio would say

[flat river]

:(

I said wallahi i ain't gio bro

I don't lie on wallahi

If im gio then Xantaga is void confirmed

[main dock]

Is anyone willing to look at my Warcraft logs and tell me what I can do better in my rotation :3

[trim kite]

tfw kind of want to take hoc hc but lock-n-stalk actually sims well on ST and we're on mugzee

[main dock]

Jk didn’t see that part of the discord

[onyx ore]

bro ngl i have the same fucking issue

[trim kite]

that is a fat arms neck tho

[onyx ore]

yep but the trinkets bro

[flat river]

LETS FUCKING GOOO

All slots are wrists

[thorny peak]

SAME

[flat river]

Socket week

[undone flower]

I can’t open my vault bc idk if I magically switch fury in raid tonight

[gleaming siren]

Mr CocknBalls is good but it didn't really outperform my HoC a lot when I simmed for Mugzee

@warm crag is an expert in Mr LocknStalk on Mugzee

But he played in the AoE mode for the kill

Quite curious

[covert blaze]

@warm crag noob

[trim kite]

known spongie for so long and forgot to tell him that i've been maining dps war since last tier

[gleaming siren]

Smh

[gleaming siren]

He still rolled me

So that says more about me than him

Oh well surely Gallygooner dies tonight and I can play Last Epoch in peace tomorrow

[warm crag]

My king

[viral shore]

mhm... having vault troubles:

• hero suspicious energy drink instead of veteran house of cards (yeah I was unlucky with trinkets so far)
• myth track tier gloves instead of maxed hero track tier gloves
  simcraft tells me to go maxed suspicious energy drink, but its jut 0.5% above the myth track gloves+veteran house of cards

[dense elbow]

🫂

[sullen dove]

would say technically the trinket is a little rarer since you can get any myth gloves and catalyze em but like psure there are better trinkets

this one is kind of an up to you thing i think

[flat river]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-confirms-dinars-puzzling-cartel-chip-are-not-forgotten-more-information-376382

[sullen dove]

if you mythic raid at all then gloves also drops off the 2nd boss which is another checkmark making it easier to get

[viral shore]

dont mythic raid. but yeah I tend to go trinket since I was really unlucky with those so far and gloves would be expensive to upgrade to actually get the benefit (and I could upgrade other stuff as well for those costs). mhm weird vault this week

[strong hazel]

Myth chest to cata into tier \o/

[willow patrol]

pacemaker good for fury this tier?

i mostly do M+, i know its wicked for arms

the viscera thing simmed better, but i mostly sim 1 target patchwerk in sims since dujngeon slice is broken

[smoky vale]

yes

[manic swift]

hello everyone! i tried to look for sim settings in the chat but the only one i found is is patchwerk 5 target 1 min. what sim settings should i use?

[smoky vale]

for what context

[manic swift]

i want to replace gear

[fair thistle]

is there a way to sim what craft is the best all at once ?

[manic swift]

and find out which items is a good upgrade

[smoky vale]

i mean aoe or st

[fair thistle]

for what kind of content ?