fury

[quiet breach]

is sprocket just, dodge the things except harder

like heroic

[fair swallow]

Yes and no

[chrome plover]

dodge the things and your friends and dont fuck up mines

[fair swallow]

Mythic adds the extra polarity bit where half th raid has a positive/negative charge and it splits up the lines with those charges

[quiet breach]

are u allowed to fuck up mines on heroic in comparison?

[fair swallow]

The opposite charges can't touch each other

[chrome plover]

on mythic you need to pick up same colour mines as your polarity buff and you cant run into people with opposite polarity

[quiet breach]

polarity mechanics are fun

[chrome plover]

but if you use liquid weakauras for assignments properly then it's a nonissue people just have to be on it with the timings and know where they have to go

[quiet breach]

fury warriors are super op on sprocket right?

[stoic loom]

No

[fair swallow]

Yeah

[stoic loom]

Theyre good on prog but get outscaled as tier goes on

[fair swallow]

Better than arms at least

[coarse nest]

We’re past week 2 mythic prog

Play whatever you want

[thick fossil]

I'd just like for one of the class devs to actually speak with us. Give us some insight into what they're thinking.

[limber verge]

every class got buffed

except us

gg

[coarse nest]

I mean the “warrior” dev probably hast a small amount of braincells like the rest of us

[remote bobcat]

They are quite literally equal

[limber verge]

they need to make me

or pilav

as warrior devs

big masculine men

[remote bobcat]

What a shit take

[oblique trail]

get a grip

[limber verge]

what do you mean

[coarse nest]

Little to no education and massive muscle are basically requirements for warrior dev

[limber verge]

me nad pilav were in army back then wdym

[thick fossil]

Just some transparency into what they have in store or what they see as balance. Cause this current "here it is" doesn't really say much.

[limber verge]

+1

https://tenor.com/view/zyzz-brah-zyzz-pose-yes-yes-brah-gif-25866912

[remote bobcat]

Smh

[oblique trail]

Because this matters

[limber verge]

yes its very important that we warriors get buffed

i cant play the other child classes

[chrome plover]

get outta here

[limber verge]

hes in better guild

anyways

[remote bobcat]

Ur bio is german, pilav is what? Serbian?

[chrome plover]

he found a new guild since 4 days ago

gz

[remote bobcat]

Same army right

[limber verge]

yes

[remote bobcat]

Lil pilav fangirl

Its on

[limber verge]

nah

we went to army

together

[remote bobcat]

Lol

Good jokes man

[limber verge]

my g

[remote bobcat]

Ur german

Hes serbian

U have no reason to serve serbian army

You‘re absolutely cooked

[coarse nest]

Bro they went to war against the alliance duh!

[remote bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/dob-dob-dob-rizz-black-man-ha-ha-ha-gif-17039177668047803738

This is hin to pilav

Him*

[fair swallow]

Think we'll ever get an artifact like system again?

[limber verge]

word

[fair swallow]

The good one, not heart of azeroth

[remote bobcat]

How would we know

[dapper goblet]

artifact system was bad

[chrome plover]

"the good one" (spamming maw of souls every waking moment)

[remote bobcat]

The community p much said fk borrowed power and we kinda got confirmation indicating it wont happen again

[fair swallow]

Might be a bad take but I liked the scaling of it, it allowed us to keep growing in strength wo being gate kept like we currently are with crest, but I also understand this is probably a shit take

[chrome plover]

yeah it is, it makes the system very intimidating for people who can't play for 12+ hours a day but also want to be competitive

there's a reason crests are capped

[coarse nest]

Ngl I very much liked artifact weapons and ap grind

[fair swallow]

I mean with this current season crest are very casual friendly

With +7 being the entry level for gilded

[remote bobcat]

No offspeccing due to needed investment, no alts due to needed investment, shit m+ classes like s1 shadow priest were completely fucked

[coarse nest]

All they need to do is have a weakly cap on ap gain just like conquest(for example)

[chrome plover]

yes current season is great for that

[coarse nest]

This isn’t complicated

[low folio]

borrow powers woulda been fine if they never had the AP grind in the game

[remote bobcat]

?

[coarse nest]

The ap weapons and the trees were so cool to me

Also really enjoyed the ap fishing pole grind

[low folio]

the worst part about it was wasting time farming artifact power every day/week

[remote bobcat]

Borrowed power is disliked regardless of grinds

[coarse nest]

I’m telling you they just needed to have a weekly cap with catchup

[low folio]

nah i think it was mostly disliked because of the constant grinding required

[chrome plover]

blanket disliking "borrowed power" is silly but a lot of people do

[remote bobcat]

Im saying borrowed power, not artifact systems from legion and bfa

[coarse nest]

It was disliked because people could no life grind level 80 weapon while the average was at 50-60 or whatever

[low folio]

artifacts were borrowed power

[remote bobcat]

My guy

[low folio]

legion was literally the first one

[remote bobcat]

Be open minded for a sec please alright

[remote bobcat]

Please

[clever belfry]

cbt

[coarse nest]

Same with corruptions those are borrowed power yet were extremely fun! Acquisition sucked at first but it got better

[chrome plover]

too grindy + overshadow everything else = bad

[coarse nest]

Borrowed power is a good thing it adds engagement to the patch

They just need to do it in a way that doesn’t feel turbo bad to aquire or catch up to the current max

[remote bobcat]

Borrowed power is problematic not while playing, but every time you go from season to season or from expansion to expansion. Losing your artifact abilities (worse versions got baked into talents) upon going from legion to bfa - then losing corruptions n other shit on SL release - then losing covenant abilities upon leaving shadowlands

Thats why it felt bad

[chrome plover]

yeah that's because their power overshadowed your core character

[remote bobcat]

While playing legion - cool u get something

Losing it is what sucks

[coarse nest]

That is a true point I agree with, it feels real bad to lose your omega powerful legendary weapon and equip a blue leveling weapon

[low folio]

while that did suck, i still think the grinding associated was the bigger problem. it not only was a problem of itself but also compounded with losing it all once the expansion was over

[coarse nest]

But that’s not a giant issue imo because new expansion it should be expected

[fair swallow]

Idk It just feels crappy with my character progression being locked behind a weekly 90 crest increase

[coarse nest]

I’m ok with the weekly cap personally because it does a pretty good job at leveling the play field

[remote bobcat]

SL covenant abilities sucked even more since we didnt get them baked in like druids

[chrome plover]

yeah true on mains it does feel kinda bad, i do my entire week of gear progression on wednesday morning, when i have enough runed/carved to convert to cap gilded (failing that i do 3 delves to finish)

since we're extending mythic I have no upgrades to get in the week

[coarse nest]

You get a slight edge doing harder content but you’re not a billion dps ahead of everyone else

[chrome plover]

but early season cap is definitely a huge W

i would hate it if being competitive required me to farm 500 gilded crests week 1

[low folio]

im definitely one of the only ones that liked it but i really liked ancient aftershock in SL's. it felt good to press that in keys and get the big hit and the constant knockdowns if the pack stayed still long enough

[coarse nest]

Exactly this!

[chrome plover]

the thing is diff levels of players would prefer the cap to stop at a different point

i would be okay with the cap being removed now, and wouldnt feel pressured to farm a ton of gilded anymore

but for some people it'd probably up the pressure on them a lot

[coarse nest]

They design the game for the average player

[chrome plover]

yep ofc

[coarse nest]

And the average player if I had to guess does not log 20+ hours a week

[fair swallow]

I feel like after 7-9 weeks they should remove the cap

Or if they want to keep it increase the cap by 180 per week

[low folio]

sometimes they do. sometimes they have to be reminded to do design the game that way. like with season 1 of this expansion in keys compared to this season

[chrome plover]

how the system works now, it is effectively removed after about that amount of time

since your cap is enough to upgrade every slot

and once a slot is done, it doesnt require crests anymore

[gilded pawn]

^

[chrome plover]

it's like 900 crests or something

[gilded pawn]

I would say current system is fine

[chrome plover]

cant remember from last season

[coarse nest]

I really like the current system with crests/crafts

I’d like it to stay this way

[remote bobcat]

mythic exists so I'm inclined to want you to put nuance to that statement

[coarse nest]

You do realize mythic is a rather small portion of the player base right?

Like us chatting in this discord about mythic content makes it seem like everybody’s doing it

Even us being in this discord

[remote bobcat]

brewjj thats exactly what im saying

[fair swallow]

Isn't mythic like around 5% of players

[remote bobcat]

the avg player doesnt do mythic

[coarse nest]

We’re a small portion of the whole picture

[remote bobcat]

yet raids are designed with mythic in mind

[chrome plover]

tbh I think they design it for a bit above average

[runic acorn]

Daily manifestation of target cap change WE WILL HAVE 8 TARGET

[remote bobcat]

hence your statement saying wow is designed for the avg player isnt true

[chrome plover]

I think average player is scared of heroic dungeons and only does world quests

[modest condor]

im pretty sure a dev said during an interview that the "main" difficulty is heroic and then the other difficulties are based off of that

[low folio]

im pretty sure they design raids in heroic mode and then scale it up and down from there in the difficulties

[remote bobcat]

ye

avg player doesnt get aotc

or atleast not until very late

[fading sky]

explans why gallywix is pretty ok fight on hc

but app to easy on mythic ^^

[coarse nest]

Yeah I guess it’s fair to say I don’t have concrete data to base off of but yeah as silm just stated they intend heroic to be the primary difficulty for the average player

[low folio]

most likely the only reason mythic raid gets as much attention as it does is because of the RWF bringing attention to the game every raid tier

[remote bobcat]

gallywix is easier than mugzee and oab, i heard it's about as hard as sprocket (e.g. 50 to 150 pulls)

depending on ur group ofc

[low folio]

its like the only thing of retail that has good viewership

[fading sky]

race this time around wasnt as a good a watch

top for me watching

so far is Tindral + fyrakk

was very nice fights to watch

[coarse nest]

So like the crest cap plays right into that, your average heroic raider isn’t going to farm 500 crests week one at 10 per dungeon or whatever

[remote bobcat]

uldir race back in bfa when they first started making a big thing out of it was peak

ngl

[coarse nest]

I liked nyalotha race the most so far

It was fun watching them speed run against each other

[remote bobcat]

all bfa races were peak

[modest condor]

watching rwf is exciting ofcourse, but i would much rather have a tier like abberus that's too easy for the rwf but just fine for normal CE guild than a tier like nerubar that's really hard for rwf and needs 15 nerfs for normal CE guilds to get past the 4th boss

[remote bobcat]

except for crucible

[coarse nest]

+++

[remote bobcat]

I'd rather have whatever gets wow the most attention so we get more players

chatting

[low folio]

its been kinda proven multiple times that the game has more people playing when its on the easier side of difficulty

[remote bobcat]

yes

[modest condor]

just look at m+ seasons

the most popular ones are the easy ones

[remote bobcat]

I'd rather just fuck rwf over with giga hard race + nerfing it after

ngl

[low folio]

ya its much more fun to wipe a couple times and still be able to time a higher key

[remote bobcat]

its best for players no?

hard race

• easy game to play

more attention and more retention

[modest condor]

the only people a hard race is good for the the 3 guilds competing for world first

means they get more ad money

[remote bobcat]

a hard race makes it infinitely more enjoyable to watch

[modest condor]

in the grand scheme of things a raid that's too hard loses more players than it gains

[remote bobcat]

yes

i agree

i think if gally was mugzee difficulty

this race woulda been peak

[oblique trail]

I really could not care less for viewer experience of RWF if it means I'll have to prog some dogwater tuned boss as a result that my guild cannot just swap classes around for if need be

[remote bobcat]

fr fr

[remote bobcat]

ego take, you're not thinking about the longevity of the game

i want new players to come

[modest condor]

i bet that by the time world rank 1k guilds reach gallywix it will still be a 200+ pull boss for a lot of them

[remote bobcat]

and stay

[oblique trail]

And your ego take is thinking that obscenely hard raids is healthy

[remote bobcat]

no?

i never said that

[low folio]

i will eat your chicken wings

[oblique trail]

You think it'll introduce more new players to the game and raid mythic

I'd consider that thinking it's good for the health for the game, no?

[low folio]

i would bet RWF does bring in new people but i dont think they will be raiding mythic so quickly

[remote bobcat]

It's been seen time and time again that a good rwf leads to more newcomers

bro ofc they wont raid mythic

[oblique trail]

I don't know where you see this

[stable frost]

I don't want the people that come to the game because they watched rwf or super high key streams, bunch of incompetent dumbasses that think they are their favorite streamer

[dapper goblet]

madox for yellow

[remote bobcat]

80% of my guildmates joined from watching x or y rwf

the other people joined cuz friends

[young swan]

thats an anecdote

[remote bobcat]

yes

we dont have data

publicly available

[young swan]

yes we do

[remote bobcat]

not official data

only compiled runs n shit

[young swan]

check logs or io stats

following the race

[modest condor]

we have data that amirdrassil killed dozens of guilds because of the difficulty

[young swan]

likely the same story with nerubar

[remote bobcat]

yes

and i think they should gut the difficulty

[young swan]

and uh

[remote bobcat]

right after

shrug

[young swan]

sepulchure

right after isnt fast enough

[low folio]

i mean if they had gutted amidrasil right after RWF, 90% of raid guilds wouldnt have even been progging the nerfed bosses yet

[young swan]

in 99% of cases bosses should get shot in the head right after the first 3 guilds have killed them because every other guild killing them is irrelevant to the race and the difficulty curve has been fucked enough that theres a pile up of other guilds just waiting for nerfs

[red berry]

if a RWF guild who spends 8 hours. more, gets stuck on a boss for a few days - that is not fun to watch nor is it healthy for the people doing it

[remote bobcat]

i think it could potentially be scheduled to be 24h after the boss died the first time

[feral ivy]

anyone know if i can see what guilds i have been in recently? like past months?

[low folio]

sepulchur killed guild for sure but i feel like a lot of guilds died in shadowlands for how shadowlands it was

[remote bobcat]

but i dont think they will do multiple updates

like that

[eternal compass]

guys i just learned that spellqueue is a thing and i can change it. i had it on 400 until now(i think its default) and sometimes it feels awful. what do you guys use or recommend?

[remote bobcat]

i use default

[modest condor]

i use 400

[young swan]

i use like 200 or something

cant remember

[low folio]

ive read that putting is at like 100-150 ms higher than your in game ms is good

[modest condor]

more like putting it lower than that is bad

[eternal compass]

thanks ill play with it a bit see how it feels and change it around

[modest condor]

objectively speaking there's no advantage to lowering your spellqueue, but having it too high can make the rotation feel sluggish

[eternal compass]

ye sometimes with bl i feel that or some buttons go off in weird order

[remote bobcat]

I get down to 15 fps on OAB despite reducing spell effects so I enjoy myself a thick spell queue

chatting

[young swan]

yeah this raid is optimized like utter shit

[low folio]

for me lowering it from 400 to like 250 stopped me accidentally double pressing whirlwind sometimes

[dapper goblet]

should def lower it

they say something like 100 + your ms

[smoky vale]

xeos for blue

[dapper goblet]

i fit the criteria for sure

[supple laurel]

is arms currently better in ST than fury?

[runic acorn]

Maybe slightly, very comparable on ST bosses

[warm crag]

it shouldnt be

depends on your jewelry and stuff

you play both in raid though depending on the boss

[supple laurel]

I see. just asking cuz there's a few arms in this normal pug and i'm doing more than them despite being -10 ilvls, but one of stated Fury is much better

ooh, yh I need to get back into arms. Been a while lol. Which bosses for arms atm?

[warm crag]

play whatever you want for any difficulty lower than mythic my king

[barren dagger]

do i need to do the full raid once this week to get the 6% buff?

so i can full clear normal and then farm 99s in mythic?

[frank dawn]

you have to do about half the raid basically

to get enough renoun each week

[barren dagger]

gotchu

[clever belfry]

each level is 2500

vexie -> bandit -> mug -> gally

is enough to cap the weekly

[gilded pawn]

That’s called making an excuse

[supple laurel]

😆

[whole yacht]

Play whatever you want in mythic too. The tier is easier than last

[clever belfry]

what garbage advice

[warm crag]

?

[barren dagger]

does anyone here actually use the archon addon that checks parses?

[dense elbow]

Nop, I dont raid, so no need. I would if I did PuG mythic or something, for ease of not having to go the logs site.

[barren dagger]

you just do m+?

what a life

[thorny zenith]

Trialing for a mythic guild wed, what should I do to prepare? Already got their wa's/required addons setup and have started looking at reverb mythic guides but not sure what to do besides that.

[oblique trail]

Look at a PoV for the spec you'll play

See how they play the fight

Alternatively look at warcraftlogs for the fight and doublecheck you have the proper talents and use your CDs right

This is applicable for any fight as well

[thorny zenith]

Ight ty, will do

[edgy widget]

I experimented a little, but don't actually use it for any practical purpose

[coarse nest]

I use it when inviting people to my M+ pugs

Oh you have a 38 heroic average

[barren dagger]

blue parses with 3.3k rio are bad at game

for sure

[coarse nest]

❌

Ope

[modest condor]

you guys have parses?

[coarse nest]

What’s logging?

[smoky vale]

you play the game

?

[barren dagger]

you guys just yap in here no?

no gameplay

[coarse nest]

Like the tree business??

[feral ivy]

6 of us in the wild together.. most i ever seen warriors

[coarse nest]

Logging into warrior increases cool factor 200%

[clever escarp]

Guys I did it all 15 timed as Fury

[coarse nest]

Pog! Gz!

[feral ivy]

grats!!

puged or all friends?

[clever escarp]

all pugged

[feral ivy]

even more gratz

[coarse nest]

You thane blast all of them?

[clever escarp]

thx

[coarse nest]

I play arms right now in keys so idk what Yall are doing

[clever escarp]

yea all of em

[feral ivy]

whats next ? 16's? or alt or stopping?

[modest condor]

grats

[clever escarp]

0.1

is the goal

[feral ivy]

what is it atm?

[clever escarp]

3370

somth

[feral ivy]

ur fucken close

[clever escarp]

68*

yea but yet so far xD

[coarse nest]

It’ll be 3.4+ by the end keep climbing!

[clever escarp]

I will never stop!

[coarse nest]

You got it

[barren dagger]

i think will be higher than that

we got dinars coming

[modest condor]

my prediction for title is all 17s and some 18s

[feral ivy]

how much i.o do u get from 15 to 16?

[clever escarp]

I wont quit like season 1. S1 broke my soul

[clever escarp]

depends on how fast but around 12-20

more is like dunno with pugs

[modest condor]

it's kinda crazy how much more score you get from being faster

[clever escarp]

yep

this season I felt that

[modest condor]

i remember in the past improving your timer from barely timing to a 2chest was like 3-4 score or something

now it's easily 8+

[clever escarp]

yep

could redo flood its like a 20 sec time

cause rogue went down 6 times xD

[feral ivy]

oh https://mythicplanner.com/ check them out see what u need

[clever escarp]

made me button smash on last boss xD

[feral ivy]

im not doing flood till they fix that stupid bug

on the fixation orb jumping through water and still chasing u

[clever escarp]

3 16 keys

flood ofc most xD

cinder and top xD

fml

[twilit timber]

this shit is mad annoying honestly. It's wiped some of my parties

[clever escarp]

good i dont know that xD

[feral ivy]

happened to me twice .. weird and worst bug of all

[twilit timber]

I was still doing floodgate to get atleast heroic seaforium trinket. Finally got it and im not going back for a while lol

[clever escarp]

yea funny story

got the hc one after 48 runs in that last 15 flood xD

[feral ivy]

i spammed 10's till i got it as a tank

[clever escarp]

tasted like sucess

[clever escarp]

oh yea i did 6

got a vet warbound xD

[feral ivy]

lol

[clever escarp]

yep blizz wanted to mental me xD

timed 15 brew with that trinket xD

[mild gull]

@celest anchor any chance ur streaming reclears today?'

[covert blaze]

factual

[opal monolith]

is 3.9m overall decent for us in priory

[strong hazel]

aKk asked earlier than asked again in the wrong channel
I remember someone saying to sim m+ you just do an st sim
what about trinkets?

[clever escarp]

i sim all variants

pw 1t 5t and dungeon slice the thing i care the less is dungeon slice

[strong hazel]

Ah ok ok

So just do those 3 and make my decision after?

[young swan]

u use 1 of the 2 on uses that are actually good and run a passive trinket that isnt dependent on you never leaving combat that gives stats

so basically signet of the priory/house of cards + mechano core/seaforium

[strong hazel]

Ah kk

Do i bind the on-uses to anyyhing?
I assume i'd bind HoC to reckless but what about priory?

[young swan]

still reck

[runic acorn]

How well do stats transition to arms? Do you need 2 sets of gear?

[young swan]

if you dont have crit arms feels like shit

not saying its unplayable, just feels bad

simwise its fine

[runic acorn]

Is mastery still good or you just want crit?

[young swan]

its mid

[warm crag]

bind it to ava

[runic acorn]

hmmm, wondering if it's even worth swapping arms if you have a BiS fury build

[warm crag]

90s on uses that is idk about signet

[young swan]

i dont think it is

personally

[warm crag]

if you have a bis fury build then you are 678 dualwielding myth bis and capital

i think thats a bit far away right now unless ur in rwf

[strong hazel]

Ah ok ok cheers spongie

[gilded pawn]

Highly doubt you are bis unless you are a world first raider

Oh dang spongie got here first

[mellow bloom]

DID YOU JUST ASSUME MY GEAR ??

[runic acorn]

Not "true" BiS, but a very heavy fury sim focused build with many many BiS items, I doubt even then it's worth bothering with an arms set since your fury build would be so far ahead

[gilded pawn]

That’s what sims are for

But trust your vibes

[runic acorn]

Well, sure, but any dicussion in the disc could boil down to "just sim" lmao

[gilded pawn]

Then why didn’t you

[warm crag]

what's your goal though

im very much willing to claim that arms is just better on the fights its better at despite you not having "arms optimized" gear

logic works other way around aswell ye i have insane arms jewelry but im playing fury on gally cause its just not an execute burn

[runic acorn]

Because at work and want to dicuss what Spongie is saying, I wonder if a swap to arms would be worth even if you aren't optimized. Hard to sim with gear you don't have without buying premium sims too.

But I'm betting you're right, but with how close some more ST bosses like sprocketmonger are, I wonder if swapping arms would even be worth on a fight like that

[warm crag]

i dont think its too intensive on iterations to add stuff to your top gear unless you want to do very deep jewelry sims

i mean if you're on sprocketmonger rn you can just play what you prefer ya

but also fury just performs better on sprocketmonger its not an execute burn

arms takes the lead at 95th percentile susge

[oblique trail]

Got any data to back up your claim hm?

[warm crag]

did you play fury on OAB?

liberal owned

[oblique trail]

Rude

[warm crag]

banezi i will have you know that blue spongie has created another masterpiece

[runic acorn]

But at the same time do I really want to spend time on a crit build just for cauldron and mug'zee?

[warm crag]

and OAB

(with most comps)

[gilded pawn]

Just sim your regular gear

On arms

If it does more then play it

And like spongie says

If the fight profile is good for arms

Doesn’t matter if stats bad

[warm crag]

but also what's the alternative, do you just vendor stuff you get from m+ instantly if its not fury stats or

[runic acorn]

Nah I keep it, but I'm also not going out of my way to target arms gear

But I get it, if it sims good for that fight just play it. Just wonder how worth it is to optimize after that as well.

[noble elm]

Arms is also kinda poop or goated depending on your raids kill profile, if you’re progging and the group tends to drag fights out in execute range because people die arms is gonna get a lot more practical mileage

[oblique trail]

That's not really how it works rn

Bandit and Mugzee both have dedicated Execute burns tied to them

So in practice you'll get high value regardless

[warm crag]

i mean if you absolutely prefer fury and aren't bound by your guild to play perfectly optimally copying whatever rwf does, you can just play what you prefer and you'll probably be fine

cauldron is by no means a dps check this deep into patch and fury has merit on OAB (pending comp) and mugzee

[warm crag]

the two bosses arms is played on that matter are execute lust burns that generally reach their hard enrage

[runic acorn]

Fair enough, I just get min/max brain. Now m+ on the other hand...

[warm crag]

m+ you click n then arms lol

[smoky vale]

n > arms

[runic acorn]

Doesn't matter what stats you use, target cap sucks ass lmao

[young swan]

yeah but guys didnt u hear that ww is the only 5 capped spec in the game

[coarse nest]

Lmao classic max

[runic acorn]

At least they brought attention to the cap at all lol, gives us a small chance at a change

WE WILL HAVE 8 TARGET

[sullen dove]

ww 3 capped spec

[real cape]

Hm. Is there a known/noknown macro that replaces Whirlwind with Thunder clap if I'm thane?

[oblique trail]

#fury message

[real cape]

Thank you. ❤️

[compact siren]

im playing fury with odyns

chessmate

[real cape]

Oh. Hm. Doesn't work. Back to the drawing board.

[oblique trail]

Try and relog

It should fix it if anything

[real cape]

#showtooltip
/use [known:Thunder Clap] Thunder Clap; Whirlwind

Okay, I think this does it.

Got all caught up overcomplicating it with noknowns and stuff.

[real cape]

I tried this and the macro wasn't doing anything.

[oblique trail]

Not sure then

Has worked for me since 11.0

[undone flower]

It’s the point of the macro, if you are thane it thunderclap, if you are in AoE it ww and slam if nothing above, it works for me personnally but I have it since 11.0

[oblique trail]

Typically a relog would fix it

[warm crag]

im so angry

[wet pivot]

Hey all 🙂 I have embraced the zugzug as my alt, expect all the stupid questions lol

[winter shoal]

If you ask questions that are readily answered in the wowhead guide I'm gonna crash out

[wet pivot]

Oh I’m not that demented

…I don’t think

[winter shoal]

Thank the lord

[runic acorn]

I wish odyns fury was still good 😦

[wet pivot]

I do need to look into the differences between fury and arms though cos both look fun af

[woven valley]

Odyns fury reflects how much of a baby back bitch odyn is

[woven valley]

Arms is better for mplus imo but fury is more than okay for it

[wet pivot]

Fairs - and raiding? I guess both are good lol

[sullen dove]

both have bosses more suited towards one over the other

but unless youre doin mythic and even then doesnt really matter what spec you play where

[wet pivot]

I guess it’s down to spec mastery lol I’ve seen fury warriors do a shit load more than I do on rogue even though rogue is according to logs super strong atm

[runic acorn]

Fury has more boss fights they are better at, big value on Stix and Gally

[wet pivot]

Fair

[woven valley]

Fury is fun but man you can feel the target cap hard in mplus

[sullen dove]

would say arms only significantly better on 3 bosses

[woven valley]

But for raid both are fine

[sullen dove]

like carnage/oab/mugzee but you can still fury on those and be fine

[woven valley]

Fury on mugzee is fun if all you get to do is tunnel boss lol 😂

[sullen dove]

ye its still good overall dmg just that like execute on mugzee alot more important so all of arms' dmg is concentrated there

and blows fury outta the water for it

but like that only kinda matters on mythic

[slim coral]

Fury for mugzee pog

Can’t wait to play fury on reclear for all bosses

[sullen dove]

[slim coral]

Arms is so bad bro

Delete this spec rn

[dapper goblet]

why would you play fury on mugzee when the first 60% doesnt matter

[slim coral]

I said on reclear bro

Im playing arms now its just no fun

[frank dawn]

arms bad

fury fun

but fury dogshit in m+ aoe

[slim coral]

Get cages and you lose all your ashen jugg stacks

Dog shit

[sullen dove]

played fury on oab tho

[slim coral]

Yeah cause fuck arms

[sullen dove]

and surely goons dont last more than like 20 seconds u just needa bring like 1 sudden death in there

[forest owl]

guilds about to kill sprocket im playing fury on oab and mugzee idgaf

[slim coral]

If you don’t believe me ask Crit

He was malding about ashen falling off as well

[sullen dove]

krill issue perhap???

[slim coral]

[sullen dove]

[slim coral]

Seriously tho

The spec is just too gamba

[frank dawn]

they should make mages scorch debuff reset if they hit a different target

surely then the blizzard man will understand our plight

[slim coral]

Also

You go into cages

While in your cds

It’s cringe

But you can’t leave the cage until frost boots are out

[sullen dove]

save cds till after

[slim coral]

I tried that once

You won’t have them up for intermission

Either way tho boss dies tonight so whatever

It was at 6 percent last prog

[coarse nest]

Added demonology notes but nothing at all for warrior

[sharp cave]

So I happen get two decent one handers with mastery by off tanking here and there. I understand 1 handed fury is not optimal but how would you go about specing it for normal alt runs to play around with it?

[slim coral]

It’s fine

You can pretty much play smf whenever you want

Not optimal at all but it’s normal who cares

[sharp cave]

Would you lean MT or Slayer?

[heavy folio]

how do people get good logs on stix? skip the rolling entirely?

[sullen dove]

I mean mythic you kinda have to roll unless your whole guild is ok with you trolling them

but yea on heroic they’re not really as important

but I mean it’s just when it seems like there’s the most adds under boss you’d cd them

like usually after balls crash in probably

All the hyenas and scrapmasters and shit will take double damage

I highly doubt many of the top logs in myth are just inting their balls though

[vague sierra]

CD***timings and luck on whether or not other people are add padders or not

[sullen dove]

Maybe a few are but prolly just depends decent bit on which set you get forced to roll

[heavy folio]

I didint mean to skip on purpose, just like not getting bomb until the last set and skip that or smh

[vague sierra]

As long as you don't get 2, eh. But now with damage you're probably not getting an entire extra add set which hurts

[burnt kelp]

I mean, colossus and mage suffered from the same problem of a weird opener cuz you needed to build up stacks so blizzard just changed mage to slowly build stacks outside of combat

ofc colossus doesn't build stacks outside of combat because we aren't mages

[slim coral]

slayer

[wanton plover]

I definitely have run face-first into a brick wall at 12+ for pug invites

[whole yacht]

Stix got dropped from all stars right? So it isn't worth stressing a parse over

[heavy folio]

true that, just wondering

[edgy widget]

correct

[wintry sundial]

Do you not just send your first demolish on opener and then let stacks build while it cools down?

[burnt kelp]

I do, that's annoying

[edgy widget]

it's mostly timing - bad balls will affect your parse and you could cheese out a better one by just skipping the roll, but only if your group can (and is willing to) compensate for it

Realistically, just about everyone has to do a ball though, so everyone's parse is gonna be subject to that randomness; because of that, getting a "good" parse isn't terribly difficult even if you have some poorly timed rolls, but getting a great parse will be very dependent on RNG

[wintry sundial]

Ignore him go straight into boss with ball

Mechanics aren't real only parses matter

[feral ivy]

how do u whsiper someone on diff server? is it "name-server" or wa?

[modest condor]

yes

[south kayak]

the first one

[languid chasm]

hello guys, i need your help, i would like to know when im supposed to use bloodthirst with m+ thane build ?

[sullen dove]

on cooldown basically

more ja clappa good

[remote bobcat]

not at all while ravager is running, a lot in heavy aoe, i think rb>bt in 5 targets but im not entirely sure

havent played thane in a while

natty BTs outside of BT bonus effects are really bad

afaik

[sullen dove]

for slayer yea but psure clappa too good

even if it’s like 8% of your damage

[remote bobcat]

in ST, you raging blow

for sure

but in aoe

i think it depends on how high u go

if its 5 tar cleave, rb > bt

[languid chasm]

Recklessness
Avatar simultaneously with Recklessness
Ravager
Rampage if Enrage is not active
Thunder Blast wile Enraged
Thunder Clap to reapply the Whirlwind buff when facing multiple targets
Thunderous Roar while Enraged
Rampage
Bloodthirst with 3+ stacks of Bloodcraze or Vicious Contempt talented while the target is <35% health
Raging Blow
Bloodthirst
Execute
Thunder Clap as a filler

The problem is when I sim I see this : bloodthirst,if=talent.vicious_contempt&target.health.pct<35&buff.bloodcraze.stack>=2|!buff.ravager.up&buff.bloodcraze.stack>=3|active_enemies>=6

[remote bobcat]

ah there u go

at 6 targets or more

BT good

[hardy bluff]

mods

[remote bobcat]

good god

[chrome plover]

<@&257983573498265600>

[remote bobcat]

<@&257983573498265600>

[chrome plover]

ty

[languid chasm]

And when I go to the revvez guide, I see this : Use ‍Thunder Blast or ‍Thunder Clap to enable ‍Improved Whirlwind.
Use ‍Rampage if ‍Enrage is not up or is running out within a global cooldown.
Use ‍Bloodthirst if it has at least an 85% chance to critical strike.
Use ‍Rampage if you are playing ‍Anger Management and are at risk of rage-capping. (‍Recklessness active or 90%+ on rage bar)
Use ‍Raging Blow if you have 2 charges ready.
Use ‍Bloodthirst if the targets are below 35% health.
Use ‍Raging Blow.
Use ‍Rampage.
Use ‍Execute.
Use ‍Bloodthirst.
Use ‍Thunder Clap.
Use ‍Whirlwind.

[edgy widget]

been a rash of that going around in various discords lately

[surreal mirage]

What the fuck was that

Who does that

Why

[edgy widget]

[remote bobcat]

wheres the problem

[junior gale]

13 year old or mentally ill people

[warm crag]

either guides are simplifications of the apl usually

[edgy widget]

Thunder Blast is higher priority as long as you have Meat Cleaver talented

though the optimization is extremely small

[earnest canyon]

Was that that hearse guy again or something

[edgy widget]

idk, idc

[sullen dove]

it’s just like a bit at this point that shit always happens when I look away from here for 5 min

wanna see the giftcards too :/

https://tenor.com/view/mean-mods-the-mean-mods-steam-giftcard-anime-girl-crying-discord-mods-banning-gif-13561053906378352143

[junior gale]

oh it wasnt a gift card this time

[sullen dove]

[dense elbow]

Gio not granting giftcards? Then it is a scam

😠

Only trust gio cards

[modest condor]

dont listen to frozenbozo he wants to keep the gift card to himself

[languid chasm]

Revvez prioritizes Raging Blow 2 charges over BT regardless of HP and Bloodcraze stacks, but the guide on wowhead and sims do not say the same thing.

any idea why ?

[junior gale]

https://tenor.com/view/shoo-cat-go-away-get-out-away-with-you-gif-3783972095861581153

[warm crag]

revvez writes his own apl

[floral frigate]

umm help my dungeon wa just starting doing audio reading

[remote bobcat]

?

[floral frigate]

like if theres about to be aoe

i get my wa bar saying aoe

then i get audio that says aoe

[remote bobcat]

yes

thats normal

whats the problem

[floral frigate]

never had it do it till the run i did right now

[celest anchor]

maybe next week

[floral frigate]

and i didnt update my wa

[remote bobcat]

its definitely supposed to play audio.

[floral frigate]

im guessing its the causes shared media addon i dl last night

[oblique trail]

Yes

[remote bobcat]

you likely had some setting that killed WA sounds

[oblique trail]

Very likely it was a mandatory asset to make the sound work

It usually states it in the wago description if it needs that addon

[floral frigate]

i'll check that, i downloaded that last night for stix mythic for the stop signs on crab bombs

[mild gull]

wp

[median narwhal]

Find a low DPS party, destroy adds and skip ball

[earnest canyon]

Immediately fuck up the ball and go back to full dpsing

[marble schooner]

damn

[gilded pawn]

are you sure about that

are you sure you arent just misunderstanding him

also brutal finish is a thing

[languid chasm]

with m+ thane build we dont play brutal finish, also he press BT before 2 Charges RB only if BT has at least an 85% chance to critical strike

[gilded pawn]

ok yeah

so 85% is the most optimal rule

and the bloodcraze stacks is more of a simplified version of it

very minor optimization

but the HP thing im not sure

because vicious contempt makes it hit very hard

[languid chasm]

I don't understand why he prioritizes 2 charges RG before ‍BT if the targets are below 35% health. on multi target

[marble schooner]

not an upgrade sadge

[old flax]

fury warrior is the best

is this a classic based server or retail?

[plush zephyr]

Retail

Classic one is called Fight Club

[median narwhal]

Fury needs nerf

People still manage to do things with it

[median drum]

Is Fury stronger than Arms for mythic+ and raiding?

[plush zephyr]

This is the first season I’ve bounced back n forth between arms and fury and I love it

[median narwhal]

no

But easier

depends what you want to do

[median drum]

I main feral, I think I can manage arms

I just want to do some mythic keys+delves

[warm crag]

Worse damage pattern for m+ and depends on boss for raid

[plush zephyr]

For me- Fury feels better in raid. Arms feels better in m+ (outside of ToP).

[median narwhal]

true

[warm crag]

You can play whichever u prefer unless ur pushing p high

[median drum]

For high, what do I need then, Arms?

[plush zephyr]

I saw a fury in here flexing pushing like 16s

Idk if that’s high

But that’s high enough for me

[median narwhal]

If you want to do 13+ go arms, but before that, choose either of them

[median drum]

Roger

And for gear, its not like with druid, I can just use same gear for both, no?

[plush zephyr]

They want different stat weights for me, but nothing huge.

I change a ring lol

[median narwhal]

Same thing, if you want to optimize, no, if you are just casually going for KSM and so, that's all

[warm crag]

Kinda it doesnt really matter

[median drum]

Okay, thanks for the answers

[summer quail]

yeah doesn't really matter that much. i would say using fury gear for arms is better than using arms gear for fury tho, so initial gearing i would do for fury if planning to play both

[plush zephyr]

Do fury users still use arms as their loot spec?

[median narwhal]

YES

[plush zephyr]

I’m always arms (main) but I thought I saw something about it

[median narwhal]

Because of the fucking troll talent we have

We can loot 1H weapon

[plush zephyr]

Ohhhhh

That’s unholy

wtf

[median narwhal]

And oh boy when you forget it and you get 1H mythic weapon on vault

you cry

[plush zephyr]

Holy shit

I would rage

Then go play prot

😂

[median narwhal]

x)

Obsessional Fury

It's a troll talent which boosts 1h weapons

[plush zephyr]

Interesting

[median narwhal]

Or maybe is it our future? who knows

[plush zephyr]

SV Hunter without pets

Oh wait

They don’t use 1h

Lmao I could sworn they dualed 1Hs

[burnt kelp]

You won't be laughing when they release a set of 1 handed legendary weapon and you're forced to play smf

for rogues/fdk/fury/monk, I guess

[median narwhal]

But think about it when you are farming for Tmog, switch to Fury and grab all those 1H weapons eheh

[burnt kelp]

oh, dh too

[thick elbow]

archi we need you to use your magic powers to make thunderous roar do dmg and uncap fury thanks

[quiet breach]

how big are these nerfs / 10
https://www.wowhead.com/news/liberation-of-undermine-tuning-incoming-mythic-mug-zee-and-gallywix-nerfs-376357?utm_source=discord-webhook

[sullen dove]

is somethin buggin why are bombardments doing 7mil dmg in this delve

[glad cedar]

is there a preferred guide for st priority on fury? checking all 4 and theres some minor differences where i'm not sure which one is 'correct'

[edgy widget]

Stix and Bandit aren’t big, Mug & Gally are pretty decent

[edgy widget]

Would be biased of me to say, but minor differences are typically minor for a reason

[glad cedar]

ig saying minor isn't right of me because i don't know how minor they are xd stuff like using execute at 1-2 marked for execution stacks when overwhelmed is 10 stacks or is about to fall off whereas overwhelmed isn't even mentioned on a different guide, if its a case of it not really mattering tho its all gucci

[smoky vale]

log fix maybe

[waxen vale]

the little differences have driven me crazy this tier. I know the feeling. what has helped me is just read this channel often as questions about the rotation are brought up and answered frequently and just take the consensus delivered by stormforged and above lol

[plush zephyr]

weird looking at details

being 2nd/3rd overall

but alway 1st in damage for bosses

m+'s

https://tenor.com/view/im-not-being-tricked-eric-cartman-south-park-s20e9-not-funny-gif-20390037

[runic acorn]

What do people prefer for m+ sims? Dungeon slice?

[stoic loom]

😭 😭

[winter shoal]

1t 5m and 5t 5m patchwerk and use your noggin to evaluate what's more important to you

[sullen tendon]

Is there a reason that blizzard refuses to fix fury ever

[orchid dagger]

fuck brown class

[sullen tendon]

what did we do to hurt them so bad

is this ptsd from legion

are the scars that deep

[orchid dagger]

Vanilla

[hidden stirrup]

back when we could chain pull with bloodthirst

Thank you Indalamar

[sullen tendon]

I jsut dont get why they ahve basically taken every spec off of the target cap except for us

it got implemented in bfa and then they gradually started taking it away from specs

or was it sl

[summer quail]

fury has been target capped since forever, even when others were not. in legion we were target capped

[junior gale]

Remember when they raised outlaw target cap to 8

I member

[vague sierra]

We don't have enough buttons in our rotation to be allowed to be good, apparently. 🤷‍♂️

[summer quail]

what does that even mean? devoker has like no buttons and is doing great

[vague sierra]

It means I'm struggling to come up with logical reasons at this point.

[sullen tendon]

it didnt feel that wy

probab;ly because we had supplementary items and artifact stuff that did aoe

and Reck was the best cd

[sullen tendon]

they added more buttons with talents and then nerfed those talents to be unplayable or removed them

[woven valley]

If they wanna cap us they need to make us really strong in that cap limit. So that way we have a similar damage profile to classes with higher caps

But they don’t

[tepid cedar]

dont worry aug is about to out dps us

so well go dead last then well see a 2.5% buff

and get capped at 4

[keen kindle]

Guys if yall get out done by AUG its time to uninstall

Holy that'd be bad

[olive wraith]

Bm?

[plush zephyr]

Mmmmmm no

[fiery edge]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-nah-no-way-fr-no-shot-gif-25089961

[next birch]

Is there a way to simulate going into a pull with avatar on cd. In raidbots?

[dusty aspen]

Wait no changes mean we back or it's over????

[waxen vale]

I think it was critcake who said it best. were getting slowly nerfed by no changes whilst other classes get tuning

[dusty aspen]

Bring back gladiator stance

[dense fulcrum]

make warrior great again

[sour frigate]

Make warrior

[violet condor]

when was it great before

[sour frigate]

Df s3

Sl s2

[ivory ingot]

Prio dmg

[violet condor]

we werent meta either of those seasons tho?

[sour frigate]

Don't have be meta to be great

[violet condor]

https://tenor.com/view/sus-rock-gif-23559354

[summer quail]

Only good in raid

Df s2 we were great in m+

[fading sky]

I mean i still wake up and fear fury nerfs

Blizzard got me good

[dense elbow]

Same, you know the Devs are working hard to justify another Fury Nerf.

Sadly, they kinda can't. As we don't excell at anything

I feel sorry for the Devs

[warped fiber]

arms tier should have been slayer.

[hushed ocean]

can't be nerfed if you're the worst !

https://tenor.com/view/smart-think-meme-intelligence-common-sense-gif-8946867

[uneven path]

You already know devs have like 3 nerfs ready in chamber waiting for fury to be good at something, so they can shoot it.

[unreal onyx]

Raid designers and warrior devs working hand in hand to make a perfect fury tier

Just to stomp them in the ground in raid and m+

[hushed ocean]

we're not bad in MM+

[young swan]

we definitely suck a bit

[hushed ocean]

just others are way too strong

[sullen dove]

if you talent odyns fury you do a lot of uncapped aoe damage

[young swan]

no we definitely suck a bit

[hushed ocean]

no we're just fine, even a small nerf is needed. Others class just need a bigger nerf, that's all

[clever escarp]

I enjoy fury ofc its horrible to get Smacked in Big ae Pulls but idc about that. I have my prio damage and I just Never die xD

[young swan]

no we definitely suck a bit

[smoky vale]

show the overall budd

[young swan]

i did 2m cause my tank terrorized me

[smoky vale]

nothing beats running it down in a 10 with a random healer while yapping

[smoky vale]

show the overall bud

[young swan]

first boss btw

i already close wow

its gone

[smoky vale]

@sudden tusk surely you have

[young swan]

overall in floodgate was normal

keeping up with uncapper specs

[torpid cypress]

never got over 3m overall

[young swan]

thats a good ss

[clever escarp]

Depends on keylevel

[smoky vale]

xan getting carried

[sudden tusk]

xan got terroristed on the dog

[smoky vale]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-type-gif-24052524

[sudden tusk]

50% uptime pog

[young swan]

i got terroristed on the first boss too

[analog wyvern]

If you keep up with uncapped specs as fury, then they are bad players 🙂

[sudden tusk]

how the fuck does that even happen

[smoky vale]

i dont know how to do the box funny so gg uptime

[young swan]

dude that is a BANGER

[smoky vale]

he got chained ccd into them

[clever escarp]

People Need to understand we cant keep up in uncapped but ye

[smoky vale]

xan lost after i went out and changed my build

[indigo arch]

Don't worry, blizzard said they were looking at outliers with their upcoming tuesday tuning, we're getting great changes such as:

[smoky vale]

@young swan would you let me tank a 14 floodgate for you

🙂

[torpid cypress]

lets buff ret and elesham since they are already doing fine

[young swan]

yeah i mean if u didnt win as bloodbeaster spec i would have banned u

[indigo arch]

They'd rather buff a ret hero talent that still won't be taken, instead of touch fury in any capacity

[smoky vale]

hi kitty

[torpid cypress]

i have the perfect fix tho uncap us 😢

[dense elbow]

My fav is playing with my mate on his UDK "my beast won't proc! Come on!"

He was doing 26m DPS without the beast. I was doing 7m

[smoky vale]

mad?

[dense elbow]

Hi :3

Nah, I am not mad. I am just tired

[smoky vale]

me when i do 20m on cinderbrew without a glorp proc

[dense elbow]

At least Fury do alrighty ST, so we got that

[smoky vale]

nah you still lose to uh

[radiant plank]

Galvanize

[smoky vale]

buenos dias

[burnt kelp]

Me when I do less damage than the beasts on cinderbrew pack because the unholy procced back to back

[young swan]

mentally checking out until next tier

this season is cooked as fuck

[smoky vale]

you have to help me gear my monk bud

i need another alt

[dense elbow]

Ya lads ignoring a great thing tho. During 60% of the key, we can basically be AFK and it won't matter

We get to chill

[young swan]

yeah i actually took advantage of that in that last key

[unreal onyx]

Free boosts all around

[summer imp]

The days of twilight devestation are near, atleast the phony version of it.

[smoky vale]

do not ask how the last boss went

nothing bad happened

🙂

[dense elbow]

k

[burnt kelp]

I'll miss seeing blood beast doing 30M damage per hit

Truly I will

[radiant plank]

Only 30 mil?

did u forget to gear your dk

[dense elbow]

I was about to say

[radiant plank]

Personal PR is 250mil atm

[dense elbow]

[burnt kelp]

30M per mob is pretty good

[sullen dove]

now itll only be 240m 😦

[burnt kelp]

Dont ask too much of the beast

[smoky vale]

dw a good proc will still save you 15s 🙂

[radiant plank]

it would be 200milly post nerfs

[dense elbow]

we save the group 15 sec on bosses, we only cost 15 sec on each trash pack

[smoky vale]

more

[burnt kelp]

But I just wanted to see the blood beast hit 1 mob for 40M before the nerf

[smoky vale]

and uh does more boss damage

[burnt kelp]

[stoic loom]

🤡

[burnt kelp]

I've never seen an unholy deal more damage than me on single target in m+ (I'm kind of a big deal)

[dense elbow]

Same, but I play mainly with UDKs who only play for the bloodboy

[burnt kelp]

I mean they dont take apo or abomination so their single target isnt that impressive

[dense elbow]

See, we fill their weakness and they ours

Balanced

[smoky vale]

i dont think ive lost in boss damage as uh

full cds in execute

[dense elbow]

How much you do on avg?

[smoky vale]

2.2?

[dense elbow]

I sit around 2-2.5m, so ye, i can see you win some

[smoky vale]

and if i get lust during execute

XDDD

[hushed ocean]

we fill the 0.3% ST damage they don't have.

[smoky vale]

its not even close

[stoic loom]

have you tried hitting more targets bro?

[dense elbow]

I cant

[burnt kelp]

More targets hmmm

[hushed ocean]

🤡

[burnt kelp]

People didnt like it last time I was allowed to hit more than 5 targets

Curse you nerubian palace

[dense elbow]

Imagine Fury burst AoE actually showing when you do it... Unfair

But let's allow Shaman to do the exactly same thing on steroids

[stoic loom]

bro cmon

i keep ripping aggro off tanks and dying on my enhance shaman

[dense elbow]

But meh, this is what ppl wanted. Flat DPS fury.

[stoic loom]

then i go on my fury warrior and dont have to worry about threat

its so much more chill!

[dense elbow]

[stoic loom]

and im playing stormbringer which is getting a substantial buff on reset too

🙏

[burnt kelp]

Still salty about mage buffs !!!

I hate you wizards!

[smoky vale]

i cant wait to play sf arcane

[stoic loom]

will never not be funny to see people coping about fury PrIo DaMaGe when arcane mage exists

and it got buffed too

[smoky vale]

mad?

[burnt kelp]

Yes

[stoic loom]

Well yes we are player FURY warriors

???

[smoky vale]

cant be mad if i just play fotm

lol

[earnest canyon]

Where did anyone say that? Bear in mind that I only started this season

[burnt kelp]

Other classes said that

Sadly warrior's design isnt designed by warriors

[fading sky]

Well fury is big in raid

[stoic loom]

was*

[fading sky]

Is in prog

[stoic loom]

Getting nerfed by no tuning every week lil bro

[pure breach]

Chill out !!!

[fading sky]

Thats a fact

[dense elbow]

I wont pull out names, as the situation did not pan out - and they are not vocal about it anymore, I am sure it changed. But they know who they are, and that is all that matters.

And to be fair, even if they got what they wanted. It is tuned in a way that doesn't work out for their ideal. It could be, by increasing MC value (as an example). Still, not really an interesting conversation to be had. Situation is as it is, and it is 'acceptable'.

Still, it was pretty much myself and a few others in camp "flat is boring" and them "flat is fun". Sadly, no side came out a winner - only the blizz devs hate against Fury won out.

[indigo arch]

Blizzard just heard our complaints about threat at the start of pulls! Surely that's why they gutted odyn's and RA etc

Right?

[stoic loom]

bro wrote a thesis on it

[dense elbow]

You need to open a book once in a while, if that is a thesis for ya

[stoic loom]

why many words when few words do the trick

[dense elbow]

True and real

[young swan]

one of the few things we agree on

[hushed ocean]

the sad thing, when we were "bursty", it was only for snipping some adds in some "fury suited encounter".

[warped fiber]

https://youtu.be/c4pKAQ98amE

some accurate animated depiction of warrior here

[uneven path]

Don't worry we scale fury will be s3 meta spec 🤡

[sullen dove]

they’ll make a df s3 level tier set for fury in s3 and then people will hate it cause it won’t be am and then in the inevitable third fated season when they vote for tier again they will pick the bad one

[ornate gust]

Flat is fucking boring as hell

[warped fiber]

The only thing that’s increasing on the scale so far is the weight of all the declines hahahaha

[wise ridge]

Just picked up fury again, left when it was played with RA in m+ so now I'm kinda not sure how to manage CDs, do I send reck always or is there a remaining cd on avatar that makes it worth delaying reck for?

[sullen dove]

U don’t need to worry about how desynced reck is with Ava since they both give each others buffs, like hitting reck gives you Ava and hitting Ava gives you reck

It’s more you wanna try to fit your “other cds” into either or, when you can

Whether bladestorm or ravager you wanna try to have one of the buff cds up for it, ravager should always line with reck but bladestorm can sometimes come up faster with slayer talents so if its over like a 10-15 sec wait while you have bs up and no reck I’d say just send the bs

But if you are familiar with looking at logs for when ppl use their cds u can kinda see what they do on some fights too

[wise ridge]

Ah alright thanks, yeah my question was more regarding m+ scenarios anyways so reck+ravager and not think about avatar, tyvm

[sullen dove]

Ye just kinda have to think about how long a pack you’re on is gonna live to make sure you’re not gonna “waste” your cds

like on a pack that’s 20% hp in a 10 or something if you have both reck and ava up I’d prolly only hit reck to get some damage there and save ava for next pack to get full use out of it since mobs are probably not living 20 seconds, unless you are like giga planning ahead on it or something and have your own reasons for using cds at certain times but eh more work than it’s worth most of the time up to your discretion

[sudden tusk]

🔥 🐲

[surreal lynx]

is there any point binding whirlwind when plaing thane?

[oblique trail]

Not really no

[clever belfry]

there is technically sometimes situations where u have nothing else to press

but realistically

don't bother

[oblique trail]

Very rarely would it be pressed but you'd rarely get into that situation

[sullen dove]

how rare we talking

medium

[oblique trail]

quite rare

[sullen dove]

blue

balls?

[oblique trail]

@clever belfry 7 hours 57 minutes

[clever belfry]

i will post balls8k

[oblique trail]

(I'm raiding today)

[clever belfry]

Rawrxd

[clever belfry]

no

[oblique trail]

yes

It's reset day

buddy

[surreal lynx]

ty ty

also, should i always align recklessness and avatar when playing anger management?

[oblique trail]

no just press them whenever

They both give you the other when pressed because of Berserkers

[surreal lynx]

ahh okay

[signal gyro]

SMF still terrible?

[oblique trail]

yes

[signal gyro]

o7

[dense elbow]

One day, one beutiful day, Banezi going to be saying through gritted teeth and with a long pause... "... Yesss..."

But it will be a lie, and Banezi knows it.

For the new 1hander legendary, is BiS

It is 7% better than the best 2h BiS option, and that is without an offhander.

World peace ensues, as SMF now soothes the minds of all the angry warriors in the world.

... then the Blizz Dev team attack.

[oblique trail]

I wont be there for when the time comes buddy

[dense elbow]

dont say that, you will be here in AI form

[timber hare]

sending automated SMF tips

[dense elbow]

I honestly would be so glad if we had a chatbot to answer the SMF question tho. Think of all the typing saved. We talking millions of keyboard clicks a day.

[timber hare]

imagine people used search history 🙀

[dense elbow]

Pftz, then what is the point of the discord? At that point you could just googlesearch the answer.

[flat river]

Just ask chatGPT

@dense elbow

[latent hedge]

ask chatgpt where the warrior dev is

[flat river]

Aight sec

[chrome plover]

can we train a chatbot on banezi skyhold messages and add it

[flat river]

@latent hedge

[latent hedge]

well that isnt news

[flat river]

Big

[mossy fox]

bro wtf stop speaking in NA time

[flat river]

Let me ask chatGPT

[mossy fox]

actually if chatgpt is right then it makes sense

[dense elbow]

This... this makes sense.

[sudden tusk]

Ban "i do it for the wubs" Ezi

[flat river]

Mmm

[oblique trail]

It's EU time buddy

[flat river]

Imagine being NA

Couldn't be me

[warm crag]

?

[flat river]

chatGPT has spoken