woops not replying to you archi
#fury
tepid cedar
edgy widget
strong spec vs weak spec, those numbers aren't as shocking as you think they are
formal glacier
and You are probably under .5m overall if not more in each run dispite the fact you bring actually nothing to the group XD
tepid cedar
and You are probably under .5m overall if not more in each run dispite the fact ...
lol my damage for fury is pretty fkn high
but yes
im way under
usually
formal glacier
strong spec vs weak spec, those numbers aren't as shocking as you think they are
this is exactly my point. We are weak asf. Can we actually get a nerf to be decent instead of buffing an actually strong spec
tepid cedar
jhahahahaha
edgy widget
actually have the perfect video-graphic for this conversation
https://x.com/jordanjots1/status/1910590676162458024
(click to see the actual video, it's pretty insightful to see how player/class trends shift over time)
X
pulsar mason
Especially with ppl fomo rerolling for high m+.
worn ibex
Quick Q, When Burst of Power procs, are we trying to build up the crit chance of BT to 85% for both of the free BT or just using them right away?
edgy widget
you still build - buff lasts long enough you should be able to send two BT crits within its duration anyway
red berry
id love TB/thunder to be 8 targets with a 10% boost tbh
edgy widget
and if your'e gonna buff BT by 35%, you might as well buff a crit
worn ibex
you still build - buff lasts long enough you should be able to send two BT crits...
Thank you Arch!
ruby osprey
quick question aswell, do we know how much losing frenzy while changing targets impact our dps ?
edgy widget
not as much as you'd think, since you tend to stack it back up again pretty quick (unless you're just constantly changing targets)
edgy widget
quick question aswell, do we know how much losing frenzy while changing targets ...
the exact number is going to vary, but I'd ballpark it at around -5%, plus or minus a few depending on exactly how frequently you're swapping
edgy widget
tbf they could have kept him in, they did our boy Wolf dirty 🫗
and most guilds aren't going to be able to field 4 fire mages anyway; I'm not sure that's a critique against Warrior performance so much as the inanity of RWF guilds lol
trail tendon
My brother was telling me arms is better than fury right now, but also I’m looking at WCL and they’re pretty much on par even this discord’s guides are saying technically fury sims higher too
Thoughts on this?
sullen dove
arms better on like a few bosses fury better on some others
can play both on any boss and be fine still
dapper goblet
4 warrior tier btw
enhance most broken class inthe game last tier (1 on wf ansuerk kill) (2 warriors in both kills)
your move tardis
sullen dove
cept maybe arms on stix a little troll unless youre a colossus freak or something
trail tendon
What about for m+?
sullen dove
enhance most broken class inthe game last tier (1 on wf ansuerk kill) (2 warrior...
me when warrior then got 5 consecutive nerfs in the next 2 weeks after rwf
good shout
heroic week good btw
sullen dove
good then becomes not good
dapper goblet
type back if stupid
dapper goblet
red berry
cooked
edgy widget
My brother was telling me arms is better than fury right now, but also I’m looki...
sims don't always equate to real encounter mechanics - both specs are doing well in different areas/bosses though
runic quail
actually have the perfect video-graphic for this conversation
https://x.com/jord...
this has been the case for as long as i remember. dk druid mage on top of m+. but warriors are too strong must get nerfed
edgy widget
Don't think Warriors did get nerfed this time around, but the very nature of M+ encourages strong plateauing at the highest levels
it's a fundamental and largely unavoidable flaw with the game type
olive wraith
Low key surprised fury is higher than arms
violet condor
Low key surprised fury is higher than arms
arms has a hard time surviving in higher keys
silk wharf
its good they are buffing balance.
edgy widget
arms has a hard time surviving in higher keys
true, though this is also the very tippy top end, and so individual preference or circumstance will influence things dramatically
silk wharf
All I hear from moonkins is constant dooming and yet they are always taken to high end content.
edgy widget
one person decides to run their next key as Arms instead of Fury and it flips the other way
runic quail
as fury i survived aoe of kujo in mechagon without the box. arms has no chance of surviving that
sage ridge
Don't think you want to eat that anyways
Really doubt you'd eat that as Fury in a +18
violet condor
m+ has only been out 7ish years one day fury will be meta at the top surely
olive wraith
Ya what key level
violet condor
(not cope)
runic quail
Don't think you want to eat that anyways
well yeah, def not in +18, was +11 i think. and people messed up and destroyed it
circumstances
olive wraith
I feel like if I ate 3 waves I’d die
silk wharf
m+ has only been out 7ish years one day fury will be meta at the top surely
Fury was exceptionally close to being meta in dragonflight. Then the aug voker happened.
violet condor
Fury was *exceptionally* close to being meta in dragonflight. Then the aug voker...
and last season...then it happened
young swan
i will never forgive blizzard for the unhinged nerf
silk wharf
The massive overcorrection just because a few fights in raid were tailored for fury's kit was astonishing.
violet condor
The massive overcorrection just because a few fights *in raid* were tailored for...
never forgive never forget what they did
trail tendon
sims don't always equate to real encounter mechanics - both specs are doing well...
How about for m+? My brother said fury is good but for high keys he’s seen arms players do much better
silk wharf
Fury is essentially capped to 5 targets while arms is not.
stoic loom
m+ has only been out 7ish years one day fury will be meta at the top surely
nearly 10 years homie
edgy widget
not entirely true, but Arms does perform better overall, though there are a few players that main fury in the highest of keys
edgy widget
https://tenor.com/view/why-persian-room-cat-guardian-but-why-trendizisst-anyaboz...
yes it does
trail tendon
not entirely true, but Arms does perform better overall, though there are a few ...
Yeah ive seen noxiv’s gameplay doing 17s
On fury
trail tendon
yes it does
Yeah I thought so, isn’t their target cap like 8 or something?
edgy widget
some abilities are soft capped at 8, some at 5, Fury's meat cleaver specifically is hard capped at 5, which is what they're referring to
trail tendon
ahhh gotcha
low folio
all of fury is at best soft capped at 5 besides ravager and bladestorm
which is not nice
well i guess thunderous roar
right?
runic quail
buff meat cleaver to 8 targets, not even uncapped, and we're balling
low folio
basically outlaw rogue
does their killing spree with blade flurry hit more than 8 targets or are they just a complete hard capped at 8
mortal veldt
what the fuck happened to fury
dont log on for a week and now i do less dmg than a prot
velvet obsidian
Fury's been like this already. No changes. Just playing with more people with better gear and full tier sets now so it gradually feels worse.
mortal veldt
sick
velvet obsidian
Hard pressed to find a worse tier set than ours I think, so we scale really poorly.
But someone could correct me
mortal veldt
everyone just going arms for now then or what
whole yacht
no
turbid bay
No buffs that feels pretty bad
ivory ingot
Atleast it's not nerfs
torpid elbow
i wanted fucking buffs man
ivory ingot
What fury has going for it is prio dmg
torpid elbow
this is getting crazy
ivory ingot
They are kings of prio dmg
torpid elbow
yes bec i am always on rank 1 dps on bosses
torpid elbow
slayer in raiding is flawless
ivory ingot
Fury was op in s1 no love s2 it is what it is
mortal veldt
Op till you get to 2800k
ivory ingot
Insta bladestorm big dam too good
livid burrow
its oaky guys, blizzard is surely just pulling a prank on us
they will for sure buff fury, just didnt put it in notes to annoy us
😃 👍
velvet obsidian
Fury was op in s1 no love s2 it is what it is
OP in heroic week, nerfed to the bog for the rest of the xpac. Pretty sure that's our class fantasy.
velvet obsidian
they will for sure buff fury, just didnt put it in notes to annoy us
Big brain moves since they know warriors don't read anyways. Only zug.
remote bobcat
OP in heroic week, nerfed to the bog for the rest of the xpac. Pretty sure that'...
nerfed to the bog?
fury was really solid on multiple fights
velvet obsidian
fury was really solid on multiple fights
Take away our pad damage and we did augvoker damage to the actual boss. Just happens to look inflated on details because we could snipe the adds before anyone else. Which is a niche at least. We weren't awful in raid, but we were not great at pure ST and not good in M+ either.
remote bobcat
remote bobcat
Take away our pad damage and we did augvoker damage to the actual boss. Just hap...
it was an add-heavy tier with said adds being high prio to kill asap. You can go call it padding but mythic prog wanted fury warriors on some fights, whether you like it or not
wild elbow
Is fury the only 5 target hard cap in the game?
velvet obsidian
Like I said. We had a niche. Which isn't nothing. But what is nothing is the damage we did outside of that very specific niche of adds spawning every 45s lining up with our cooldown and dying before our 3s burst was over.
velvet obsidian
Is fury the only 5 target hard cap in the game?
Nah, just one of the few melee I think. Don't know who the poor bastards are down here with us though.
remote bobcat
idk bout u but i regularly beat my peers in boss damage and ST
summer quail
Is fury the only 5 target hard cap in the game?
Ww monk is i think
remote bobcat
ww is like 8 targets no?
dense fulcrum
ngl im trying Arms but im getting discouraged by any key i do, that spec is so clunky and i cant seem to do damage, i prob do more with my fury lol.
im just bad at that shit spec
cant follow it
remote bobcat
ngl im trying Arms but im getting discouraged by any key i do, that spec is so c...
arms skill floor is higher, you need to put effort into getting the basics down
fury's skill floor is waaaay lower
wild elbow
Ww spinning kick and fists are soft cap
dense fulcrum
ye but in general i have more fun with fury anyway
arm is a lot of effort
for what..
remote bobcat
i mean ye go play fury
carmine moth
Talent guide saying Reckless Abandon is alright compared to AM - is there any other switch needed?
dense fulcrum
ye u do more aoe dmg but when a real Aoe meta class s+ fotm goes hard u cant do nothing really idk
ye prob gonna stick to fury till 3k
remote bobcat
ye u do more aoe dmg but when a real Aoe meta class s+ fotm goes hard u cant do ...
yea but you also dont need to most of the time
dense fulcrum
then imma see if swap to pally alt or keep pushing with fury, but u know pug is dogwater experience
dense fulcrum
bro that class is 3 buttons and goes brrr
0 effort
tons of utility and dmg, yet we are begging for uncapp shit
remote bobcat
pig color
dense fulcrum
blizz dev are insane
remote bobcat
yellow sparkles
no one cares about retardins
if u wanna be one
leave skyhold respectfully
dense fulcrum
i wont leave
and let me tell u something
tons of war main have pally alt even here
remote bobcat
yea
dense fulcrum
so everyone is a traitor
remote bobcat
i have a pally alt
dense fulcrum
kinda
dense fulcrum
fking balancing team of kekkard entertainemtnjndnksfajfan
remote bobcat
in general
they're doing good balance so far
except for target caps
on some specs
dense fulcrum
my spec is stuck in 2004
remote bobcat
2018*
dense fulcrum
when unholy goes brrr
remote bobcat
ret is very good
oblique thistle
ret isnt even good
I want whatever you're smoking
oblique thistle
But that doesn't detract from the fact that ret is quite good rn
dense fulcrum
1000 utility, heals, invuln, most of the time ur mid range giving a shit of being a melee, tons of aoe dmg, decent st
open prairie
Utility is cope
open prairie
damage matters more than anything else
open prairie
But that doesn't detract from the fact that ret is quite good rn
they’re good at padding on useless mob in vault keys yeah
would never play with a ret seriously when the mf just spams divine storm all day
oblique thistle
Their ST isn't bad either and their AOE is very strong
open prairie
enhance you can also just
turn your brain off here and there
and play ele
idk why people play this class and alt ret so often
enhance is more similar playstyle wise if anything
dense fulcrum
its sad af when u are like 4.5b/5b overall dmg and the other are like 6.5
(playing as fury)
u feel a fking parasite
remote bobcat
idk why people play this class and alt ret so often
melee sword fighter, similar dmg profile
idk i dislike ret
open prairie
melee sword fighter, similar dmg profile
dk
dense fulcrum
dk is weird, unless its frost
remote bobcat
- ret has gotten a few spells that are clear warrior flavor
dense fulcrum
but frost...rip
open prairie
boomer spec for gamerdads trying to larp as arthas
dense fulcrum
it feels complicated unholy idk
open prairie
+ ret has gotten a few spells that are clear warrior flavor
ehh i care about feel
dense fulcrum
i have to lvl it to 80
open prairie
enhance is fastpaced
main token
wowhead or icyveins for build guides?
dense fulcrum
i personally use wowhead
and then ask here or trustable youtuber/streamer that clear every season mythic raid or high rio (top 10/20)
sullen dove
summer quail
and then ask here or trustable youtuber/streamer that clear every season mythic ...
Smart. I like to ask critcake arms vs fury questions
modest condor
i especially like to ask if [spec he's not playing] is dead now
summer quail
Yeah i mean it must be dead since he isn't playing it
ivory ingot
rich flame
Blizz must have hit 'send' before they were done typing that class tuning post, right? 
somber elk
Man this Class is so hated by blizz
rich flame
I just want some m+ buffs man... Fury feels fine in raid for once
At least we didn't get nerfed :^)
rustic anchor
wowhead or icyveins for build guides?
Wowhead for a start then Murlok.io for strong builds
inner zinc
how ahead of the other weapon option is Best in Slots? the on use feels like its gonna be really clunky with other on use trinkets. I dont see myself using Eye of Kezan in M+, so im more tempted to go for House of Cards
dense fulcrum
kezan is not a m+ trinket anyway
inner zinc
yeah ik, but using house of cards + bist in slot seems like its going to be very clunky since they both put each other on a small cooldown when you use one. So im wondering how ahead is BiS compared to other available options
my dinar purchases would likely be capital punisher, jastor diamond and house of cards
sudden tusk
if we even get them
inner zinc
yeah assuming we do 
dense fulcrum
yeah ik, but using house of cards + bist in slot seems like its going to be very...
dunno if this can help cuz is about embellishment but u can see the various combo
rich flame
yeah ik, but using house of cards + bist in slot seems like its going to be very...
Best in slots can still proc passively but the active just guarantees the best proc possible
sudden tusk
you just use house of cards with avatar
and best in slots with like bladestorm
free stats and you never gotta think about it
rich flame
Slots also is on a 2 minute CD which doesn't feel great with fury imo
But yeah like what madox said just rip it on CD or line it up
Capital punisher is your second best out of raid but in my experience the proc chance to add a stack of the dot it applies feels low and never really added up to anything significant, but I might just be unlucky
inner zinc
so assuming i got both house of cards and slots, which gets priority assuming we begin a fight?
sudden tusk
cards
#showtooltip Avatar
/use Recklessness
/cast Avatar
/use Tempered Potion
/use House Of Cards
/use [Combat] Best-in-Slots
/cast Thunderous Roar
/cast [@player] Champion's Spear
you can use this macro, also can remove the potion
but it will always use cards first
then for your ravager or bladestorm
#showtooltip
/use Recklessness
/use [Combat] Best-in-Slots
/cast [known:228920,@Player] Ravager; Bladestorm
you can use that
so your second bladestorm cast will get the buff from best in slots
and your avatar will always get house of cards
heavy galleon
Blizzard knows Warrior is one class of their game or ????
sudden tusk
much like our talent tree our raid performance is "acceptable" so its just gonna be this way
rich flame
At least we aren't competing for last place with Aug evoker anymore for boss damage
inner zinc
would buffing our aoe for M+ even push us in nerf territory because of raid performance?
i didnt do the raid this tier so i dont know how much aoe there is in there
rich flame
The only raid fight that has significant cleave is Sticks and that fight is a cluster fuck already
Every other boss has on average 3 to 4 adds which doesn't really hurt our capped aoe. Sticks has a ton and Gallywix has 8 or so every beam phase
fading sky
We would be gally monsters
rich flame
Nothing like we were on Queen last phase
fading sky
But buff roar
inner zinc
id rather they uncapped meat cleaver
rich flame
Roar and odyns fury need to be buffed
rich flame
I agree though meat cleaver needs to be buffed it's the only way to not overtune our single target
Even if it required an extra talent point or something
fading sky
No uncapped meatclever
rich flame
It just feels mega bad when we basically have the opposite compromise of aoe vs single target in m+ compared to other classes. We put points into aoe to compete with tanks on huge pulls and then typically deal the most damage in the group on single target
whole latch
i swear every class tuning there's either nothing for warriors or only pvp nerfs
fading sky
Gotta be drawbackd
If roar and of was at the poweelevel they should be
We would be gucii
inner zinc
It just feels mega bad when we basically have the opposite compromise of aoe vs ...
that feeling when the tank does so much dmg on a big pull and you have a hard time even catching back
rich flame
We give up so little st
Yeah because our aoe blows lmao what is there to give up
inner zinc
its not like we have the best St out there anyway
rich flame
Also true
whole latch
im not sure if even if all our capped dmg got uncapped we'd do close to the dmg of other specs on big pulls
inner zinc
im not looking to do as much dmg as they are because they are on the way to get nerfed lol
but it would already feel better than to be restricted so much
earnest canyon
uh dk barely got touched
whole latch
we're doing bad dmg and we're not getting any buffs/changes so id rather get buffed and later nerfed
whole latch
might as well have SOME fun in this game
inner zinc
still got nerfed
burnt kelp
not only the nerf barely does anything
it will maybe allow them to dodge any other nerf
literally perfect unholy patch
I guess on the giga pulls where they get lucky they'll be at 45M instead of 55M
rich flame
We bring little to nothing to a group, only 5% AP and a temp hp buff that will help you eat half a tick of a mechanic. Our stuns are participation trophies.
inner zinc
but yeah, you got classes like UH DK, ret pally who do monster aoe dmg with respectable ST, meanwhile we do respectable ST and miserable aoe >.>
rich flame
Where's our cracked damage to compensate
burnt kelp
that's not how the game works
mage has the utility, the damage
and everything else
you get the damage
maybe
we'll see
fading sky
Yeah because our aoe blows lmao what is there to give up
Who has better st in m+
burnt kelp
Who has better st in m+
the classes that are being picked in m+
honestly it's one of the better season to play warrior in m+
war just isn't a very m+ class
fading sky
Dno why monk got buffed
fading sky
I mean thats every season
burnt kelp
it is
inner zinc
should have rolled mage if you planned to do m+
burnt kelp
well yeah, having every spell in the game helps in 5man content
especially when your spells are upgraded versions of other classes' spell
rich flame
Who has better st in m+
AoE is by far more important in m+ than st. Nearly every other class can deal at least 2mil dps while still doing 6mil+ in aoe
burnt kelp
man I hate wizards
fading sky
AoE is by far more important in m+ than st. Nearly every other class can deal at...
Sure but we do more st
inner zinc
yeah but the extra ST we bring doesnt balance out the lack of aoe we dont bring
inner zinc
i dont think so. That would just give us burst aoe, not sustained aoe that the other classes have
lucid epoch
Anyone know where to find some up-to-date resources? Considering picking Fury back up and WoWhead hasn't been updated since February 24th
rich flame
We what, help shave a couple of seconds off of a boss? Doesn't make up for how much longer these trash pulls take
fading sky
M8
Trash how often does it die at the same time
Prio dmg matterw for speed more than overall
lucid epoch
What's everyone's favorite flavor of crayon?
inner zinc
the wowhead guide is still fine
rich flame
Anyone know where to find some up-to-date resources? Considering picking Fury ba...
It is up to date, I think the web title thing is wrong and still says 11.0.7, at least for me
But it's up to date for 11.1
lucid epoch
Oh sick, thanks
calm mantle
This is proof that warrior is best, can still time 12's with fury as top dps.
rancid heron
#showtooltip Avatar
/use Recklessness
/cast Avatar
/use Tempered Potion
/use Hou...
what is that use best in slots macro?
i thought the use for it was just to change from melee to caster
sudden tusk
read the item again
rich flame
i thought the use for it was just to change from melee to caster
Out of combat it will swap
sudden tusk
its so that it only activates while you are in combat so it wont go intellect mode
rancid heron
I HAVENT BEEN USING THAT
rich flame
So don't pre pull use it lmao
calm mantle
#showtooltip Avatar
/use Recklessness
/cast Avatar
/use Tempered Potion
/use Hou...
is there a reason you use reck first? I have mine on avatar first.
silk wharf
is there a reason you use reck first? I have mine on avatar first.
So it doubles the rage avatar generates.
calm mantle
Oh I definitely should just cacro my reck then and have avatar as a stand alone.
rich flame
Since they're both off the gcd, does using /use and /cast impact the order they go off?
covert coyote
nom should be in the order they're listed in
rich flame
Okay good just checking
sudden tusk
is there a reason you use reck first? I have mine on avatar first.
sequencing matters. So if you Reck first it activates avatar from our Berzekers torment. so when it activates like this you end up with 40 rage instead of the 30 if you put avatar first
just a small optimization as far as macros go
dense elbow
This is proof that warrior is best, can still time 12's with fury as top dps.
You can even make it more of a point, by bringing 3 Fury Warriors to the 12 
If you play with equally skilled and geared players, then as long the pulls ain't done weird AF, the Fury Warrior should never be top on overall.
Being top as Fury is more a sign that other ppl are not ready for the content they doing than anything
rotund ginkgo
RL asked if i can bring my enha to one arm bandit
since my enha is same gear as warr
earnest canyon
say no
solemn remnant
any good m+ resources?
azure forge
how much dps should i be doing in m+ / H raid on avg with 665 ilvl? i feel like i hit a wall and im not sure why.
earnest canyon
at least 6 but less then 200million
oblique trail
how much dps should i be doing in m+ / H raid on avg with 665 ilvl? i feel like ...
There is no magic number, since it's very dependent on the dungeon and your group
But if you feel like you're not doing good enough, I'd recommend for raid at least to look at what other people do on the fights that you might struggle on
As for m+, find povs of good players and see how they play to see if what they do works better
Fury as a whole though will also typically look worse in keys compared to other specs, which might influence thinking you're not doing as good as you should
azure forge
gotcha
oblique trail
Otherwise, you can use #1347646810457636974 and post a log in there and someone will likely go take a look at what you're doing, and see if there's anything glaring or minor you can improve
ivory ingot
Could be low mastery
smoky vale
ivory ingot
See many specs can "pad" on huge pulls
Fury can't but they will lead easily on prio dmg
whole latch
unless you're massively outplaying/outgearing the other ppl you should not do well on overall
esp in big pull dungeons like ML and meadery
ivory ingot
Something like TOP should be a easy win for fury
Few big pulls go slayer
Play arms for those
I did a ML 10 my highest dmg dealt at end was 1st boss
warm crag
I am explode
clever belfry
^s word
warm crag
Scaling hasnt kicked in yet
clever path
im convinced there isnt a single tank in group finder with a single braincell
how in tf can someone have 3k rating and be incapable on concsious though
oblique trail
Rating =/= how good someone is
You can have infinite rating but still be dogwater, simply because you just spent a lot more time than other people to get the rating you have
whole latch
a lot of ppl care little for rating and just want their 10s done for gear alone, they will outplay bad 3k players
uneven path
Scaling hasnt kicked in yet
Nah we scale, downward, but we scale
clever path
a lot of ppl care little for rating and just want their 10s done for gear alone,...
ive genuinely found more intelligence in some random pisslow that started 2 months ago then with people who have been playing for 6+ years
errant sentinel
when you play with random people you catch them in a random slice of their life , it may be at a bad time at their lowest when they disconnected their brain momentarily
mossy fox
Nah we scale, downward, but we scale
we're effectively getting nerfed every tuning patch because everyone gets buffed while we dont get mentioned
earnest canyon
we're effectively getting nerfed every tuning patch because everyone gets buffed...
you need to start sandbagging like the warlocks
violet condor
waiting for the critcake doom video?
iron portal
It is bit silly indeed
uneven path
we're effectively getting nerfed every tuning patch because everyone gets buffed...
True, but I don't think just increasing % on abilities would solve it at this point. It could work as bandage but....
slender perch
Just reroll to a other class thats get taking into keys above 12+ easy
dense elbow
I can easilly get into 14s, Fury is 'fine', it does what it is intended to do. Prio damage with a flat-ass DPS profile.
Only problem with Fury is that being flat and "if you do the numbers, and weigh X, Y and Z" good value - well, it isn't flashy or showy. It isnt felt. It is boring.
Being boring is the greatest crime in a video game.
slender perch
sure after waiting 30 minutes for a invite if you dont have a super high rio already you get invited 
uneven path
I rerolled to a prot
slender perch
Getting high IO is easy just play with 4 friends and not waste your time pugging
friends what is that?
junior gale
Something you get by being social in an mmo
slender perch
sounds awful
mossy fox
if arms was in the same state as fury m+ then sure i'd be dooming
earnest canyon
arms is just no fun to play though
sweet palm
arms is just no fun to play though
Like i said before, i rather lose a Arm than play arms.
Awfull spec
Awful Gameplay
oblique trail
im trying to gaslight myself into thinking arms design isnt bad
damage = good design
lime vortex
damage = good design
So... still a bad design?
bitter palm
we're effectively getting nerfed every tuning patch because everyone gets buffed...
10.1 reference
oblique trail
So... still a bad design?
I think you're a bit too unholy dk pilled
midnight kite
The number of times I have seen:
Fury gets a premptive nerf
Fury looks good early season so the nerf was totally justified
Fury falls off
Fury eventually gets buffed somewhere in the middle of the season
mossy fox
damage = good design
bitter palm
The number of times I have seen:
Arms gets a premptive nerf
Arms looks good early season so the nerf was totally justified
Arms falls off
Arms eventually gets buffed somewhere in the middle of the season
midnight kite
Fury has to be insanely doomer for me to touch arms
earnest canyon
Like i said before, i rather lose a Arm than play arms.
exactly....fun > dps for me....
mossy fox
maybe repeat s3 dragonflight where dreadnaught got buffed and was like 10-15(?)% of our overall dam
oblique trail
Repeat S3 DF where we had a tier set that actively changed our gameplay at least a bit..
mossy fox
but thatd be too good for 1 talent point
cant have that i guess
ye s3 arms set sdclap was sick
midnight kite
One of the only times I can remember playing arms is in uldir when the azerite trait version of dreadnaught was hilariously overtuned
bitter palm
ye s3 arms set sdclap was sick
cant have that obviously
s1 tierset won in s4 voting (completely unrelated to how fun it is, people just wanted to play cleave and stuff) therefore s3 tierset was bad
ivory ingot
Just stack all stats to 30% right critcake
bitter palm
40/40/10/10 goat
mossy fox
s1 tierset won in s4 voting (completely unrelated to how fun it is, people just ...
eh i voted s1 cause it was almost guaranteed be strong in m+ and raid and also open up the option for cleave mbg again
mossy fox
but also wouldnt be sad if s3 won
whole latch
forest owl
is there any use case scenario for warcraft logs ALL percentiles? i thought most used 95% to compare
bitter palm
eh i voted s1 cause it was almost guaranteed be strong in m+ and raid and also o...
idk i voted cause i was tired of exe spam ngl
ivory ingot
Smf no cap target 
bitter palm
wanted to see ms hit hard again
bitter palm
they even buffed it
mossy fox
demo hits hard as arms too
ivory ingot
Never played arms other then maybe a very few fights
bitter palm
someone in chat said i got a 120m cleave cast yesterday
cd cleave is cinema
whole latch
fury execute 
fading sky
Ms hit so hard it got nerfed
forest owl
is it true in your guys opinions that ret is the worst spec in the raid right now, warcraft logs doesnt tell me they are, but i have one telling me they are. maybe im wrong i dunno
mossy fox
thats cap
fading sky
Ret is great
fading sky
Well its same as warrior
clever belfry
..what ?
in what metric
does less to bosses
does overall
brings a raidbuff that most groups bring through the tank (this is actually the same frfr)
forest owl
i dunno i have someone linking 'all' percentiles and somehow from that claims ret is the worst, i think its bs imo
clever belfry
yeah its most certainly not the worst
oblique trail
Basing how good a spec is from the all percentile statistics is not the play
radiant plank
Basing how good a spec is from the all percentile statistics is not the play
Yep, better way to see how good a spec is, is by following tier lists
oblique trail
so true
clever belfry
tierlists are compiled by the most knowledgeable players
clever belfry
u cant make any rankings around dogshit players tbh
ivory ingot
Sadly those lists allow those dogshit players to get invites to groups
Giving them free score and making them look even better then they are skill wise
pastel stone
new warrior changes any good?
ivory ingot
Not nerfs 
tulip rivet
Absolutely insane that already OP classes are getting buffed but warrior still untouched. love that
Enhancement shaman for example
Tempest secondary target damage increased by 25%. Does not apply in PvP combat.
Tempest primary target damage increased by 30%. Does not apply in PvP combat.
Awakening Storms damage increased by 30%.
Stormcaller now increases the critical strike damage of your Nature spells by 10% (was 5%).
rich veldt
Class tuning is funny
tulip rivet
like wtf
rich veldt
They needed 1 week of ptr to nerf certain corruptions
wintry sundial
I wish they'd do more of what they did for fire mage
Buffing off meta hero talents is always neat
south kayak
Enhancement shaman for example
Tempest secondary target damage increased by 25%....
Enha is not an op class lmao
this isn't s1
tulip rivet
so doing 10-15m dps on big pulls isnt op?
dense elbow
10-15m on big pulls? What is this. Season 1?
south kayak
15 on big pulls? that's normal ol
oblique trail
so doing 10-15m dps on big pulls isnt op?
Is Arms OP then?
hardy gale
When will blizz add warrior to the patch notes?
south kayak
never
dense elbow
You know the answer... come on
hardy gale
They must have forgotten ?
south kayak
play something else
hardy gale
but what if they want to buff
dense elbow
(3% aura buff, if warriors start to unsubscribe)
thin dew
Blizzard are unbelievably stupid how can you skip warrior in 2 consequent tunings and buff pala for example LMAO
south kayak
Buff warrior? surely you jest
south kayak
Blizzard are unbelievably stupid how can you skip warrior in 2 consequent tuning...
They buffed the hero talent they weren't playing
sour frigate
south kayak
So we get a DPS increase
YOu and everyone else
rich veldt
The helm enchant got buffed
ye too bad it takes 5 weeks to actually start getting it when 11.1.5 releases
timegated content yummie
south kayak
timegated content yummie
Timegated content is fine because I feel like every time there's a new patch people do everything on the first day and complain there's nothing to do
haughty quest
What do you think guys? Craft a cloak, or upgrade hc seaforium to 6/6 and a heroic ring to 6/6?
rich veldt
Sim
coral dock
Yo seriously wtf… they buff all these classes that are already higher than fury but didn’t even touch us
rich veldt
gotta give other classes their spot in the spotlight
its not like mage has been meta for the past 15 seasons
😭
thorny peak
are warriors perfectly balanced for this season?
coral dock
are warriors perfectly balanced for this season?
LOL
thorny peak
i mean no balance notes i think we did it?
coral dock
Perfectly balanced right there at the bottom of the list where we belong
warm crag
are warriors perfectly balanced for this season?
For raid ye
thorny peak
nah all the rest overperforming lol
warm crag
For m+ reroll a class that has better damage patterns
dense elbow
Trynto is right, the rest are over or under-performing.
We are perfectly placed to be the guide line.
We are the one constant in the system they balance things around.
We are fine, this job is fine and everything is fine.
tulip rivet
The helm enchant got buffed
What helm enchant
rich veldt
corruption
they bringing that back from BFA
cause they have no functioning brain anymore to come up with something new
fading sky
Lol
Its 0.7 patch
Normally we get nothing
Why do ppl complain about stupid s like this?
hollow elk
i dont mind em bringing back stuff but then they grab the old stuff that was fun. run it through water till its a watered down mess and puke it out
haughty quest
they should increase target cap for fury tbh
fading sky
I still say fury is a very good prog spec
rich veldt
i dont mind em bringing back stuff but then they grab the old stuff that was fun...
11.2.5 gonna bring back covenants
hollow elk
this guy has all the jokes
hardy gale
https://youtu.be/zOopw2WAaFs?si=7GjHL5Ny88V2QQVB
In this video the guy said that if spec not on the list then the spec if perfect
fading sky
Great content. Problem was power hidden in covenants
hardy gale
Feel like Fury can get a buff tho
oblique trail
https://youtu.be/zOopw2WAaFs?si=7GjHL5Ny88V2QQVB
In this video the guy said tha...
Please do not listen to Tettles and class balancing
hollow elk
all of the warlock specs getting buffs when they are already super busted
oblique trail
He would convince you Boomie is bad when it's in fact good
hollow elk
idunno what blizzard is looking at
south kayak
He would convince you Boomie is bad when it's in fact good
My hatred for Tettles is worsened by the fact that he's a boomie
hardy gale
Oh whoops didn't know he was untrustworthy
oblique trail
I wouldn't blanket statement say he's untrustworthy
south kayak
Tettles and boomkins are the 2 things I hate the most
oblique trail
Nor have I watched the video
But if he actually says "if they're not here, then they're perfect", then it's wrong
south kayak
Boomkins do not deserve their time in the sun
fading sky
Tbh he is just biased, as are we all
south kayak
delete starfall damage
hardy gale
He said it in the first 20 seconds
fading sky
10% delete no?
dense elbow
But if he actually says "if they're not here, then they're perfect", then it's w...
it is said as a joke
south kayak
hating boomkins is the definition of being unbiased
you can't get more unbiased than that
oblique trail
it is said as a joke
I will always take Tettle's takes with the biggest grain of salt
👍
dense elbow
But it is a joke
oblique trail
Does not change what I said
south kayak
Anybody who sandbags and talks about how a spec needs "emergency tuning" only for them to dominate the game is in my hate list
hollow elk
such a punchable face
dense elbow
He said grain tho, not blocks
tidal kindle
Those are some very large grains
dense elbow
Ye, that fair, you looked at yourself in the mirror and backpeddaled a bit. This is fair.
south kayak
50% of this is just jokes
hollow elk
my last gov id picture makes me look like an inmate
south kayak
But I do infact dislike boomkins and tettles
dense elbow
50% of this is just jokes
80% or no deal
hardy gale
I didnt finish watching the video due to the amount of salt I had to consume with each statement. I reached my daily limit
south kayak
I didnt finish watching the video due to the amount of salt I had to consume wit...
LMAO
forest owl
They should buff of + roar
yeah but as soon as one raid fight comes up in the future again where it requires 45s burst aoe it'll just get gutted again
dense elbow
No matter what they do, they will design a raid around it to nerf it.
OF gets uncapped, no dam increase. Next raid got 20 small adds that got to die every 45 sec.
OF gets 200% bonus dam. Next raid got 5 adds with exactly 1 OF value of HP every 45 sec.
OF gets CDR and set to 15 sec? Adds spawn at 1 OF value every 15 sec.
OF gets set to 60 sec CD? Adds spawn at 1 OF value every 1 min.
coarse nest
I dont understand why they cant just let us burst adds like season 1 week 1/2
demonhunter cant demolish adds in 3 seconds with eyebeam and ithats okay
but heaven forbid warrior gets to
dense elbow
Well, to be fair, it was likely more that we blew up HC dungs the whole pre-season timeperiod. That caused post after post on the forum hating on "fury warrior OP, they oneshot everything! Reeee"
ashen socket
Well, to be fair, it was likely more that we blew up HC dungs the whole pre-seas...
I mean
lets be real
the fact blizz nerfed fury
for being insane in heroic dungeons
fading sky
Was laughable
ashen socket
is full t*rd behavior
fading sky
Esp coz ret could do same
ashen socket
Yeah
Blizz really should just
uncap everyone
why tf are we dancing around this shit like everyone shouldnt be uncapped
Every season has pretty much been dominated by uncapped specs
Why do we act like opening the door for everyone else is a bad thing
not like you are going to be doing bigger pulls because everyone can do it now
dense elbow
I dont mind if our core rotation is capped to 5, if our AoE tools are gigahitters
Currently they are not
ashen socket
Right
thats a fair trade off
I mean
I flopped off of fury to play prot in keys and I decided to dps some as fury like
2 days ago
Slayer bladestorm does 0 damage in aoe, Its fucking pathetic and I get that slayer is good in st, But the fact that I do 2mil st on a boss fight and only 4mil in aoe in cinderbrew? Is crazy
Bladestorm should fucking blow things up
And thane is just
mid af
ashen socket
Yeah
blizz sees 1 fury warrior doing 17s and probably thinks it needs a nerf to its core rotation and a buff to SMF
dense elbow
Meh, just give Fury a true moment of glory, and it is fine as is.
If this means they make BS do 20 million ST DPS on use, or if they make it crush it on AoE in the 30-50million DPS range. As long we got something to go "hell yea!" about.
Currently we just flat and boring
Our ST is "neat", but not even impressive.
dusk dawn
As fury I do ToP exclusively to make myself feel like I can kind of sorta keep up with the good M+ classes 🙂 until the ghost hallway anyway....
dense elbow
🙂
ashen socket
Meh, just give Fury a true moment of glory, and it is fine as is.
Yeah
hollow elk
blizz sees 1 fury warrior doing 17s and probably thinks it needs a nerf to its c...
you mean critcake
ashen socket
I was talking Nox but yeah
dense elbow
Novix
dusk dawn
hes still way behind the rest of his team
dense elbow
Bottom DPS on overall =/= valuable
ashen socket
outlaw is capped at 8 and mm is not capped if I am not mistaken
hollow elk
i wish i was capped at 8 targets...
dense elbow
Depends on what you want.
ashen socket
reduced damage beyond 5 or 8 targets w/e
hollow elk
soft cap wirldwind buff
dense elbow
Softcapped, if you just want to put it all into rotationals.
hollow elk
unleash the tide
ashen socket
I think being soft capped in rotation is better
but it really is just like
preference
Big 30 mil burst
cool
big 20 mil sus
cool
dense elbow
we wont do 20 mill sustained, but sure
dense elbow
I get that, but yeah
ashen socket
I mean
The fact
that I can go full dps build in a 15 as prot
and beat a fury warrior in every single pull depending on the dungeon of course
is bs
and thats not cause prot is broken
literally all the tanks can pull that off
quiet breach
just saw class tuning changes, all the fury m+ boys are gonna riot at blizz hq soon 
sand crest
hollow elk
i still cant believe they buffed fire mage lol
dense elbow
sage ridge
Blizzard just pick and chose what classes can be good the entire season
And it is never Fury
ashen socket
i still cant believe they buffed fire mage lol
Or balance druid
fickle cedar
wasn't their aoe nerfed and their st buffed ?
dense elbow
Boomie change is the one I kinda can understand, they downed mass AoE and increased ST, seems alright as a tradoff
sage ridge
They slightly nerf their already great AoE and improved their ST
quiet breach
im happy holy priest got buffefd
sage ridge
Sounds like a buff
quiet breach
might make a priest
dense elbow
Instead of War-rrior, go War-lock
hollow elk
they probably see all the guilds tacking boomkins for stix and are freaking out
ashen socket
I mean
even the fucking warlock changes
Like what
Blizzards balance team needs to be studied
dense elbow
Well, warrior have multiple ppl at 3.6k rating in M+, warlock has some around 3.4k?
They might have needed a push based on that data - no?
As we are ignoring that warrior especially got die-hard loyalists.
sage ridge
Didn't know the balanced around M+ and not raid
ashen socket
Well, warrior have multiple ppl at 3.6k rating in M+, warlock has some around 3....
Right, Though I feel like any good player that is 3400+ or trying to be the highest in the world are really only playing whats best and not what they like
sage ridge
Last time Fury was mid in M+ and good in raid they got shit on
ashen socket
So I think its more like more people just make the swap
dense elbow
It is a bit of camp A and a bit of camp B, and also camp C
ashen socket
Yeah
I mean overall
changes dont affect me cause I am a prot main now
But I would love for fury
to be giga
and not
stinky
sage ridge
Fury is fun to play but ruined by the fact they suck ass in m+
Had to swap to Arms it was so bad
Especially after all of last season
ashen socket
Bring me back to slands when I was top dps in every single key
idc if the expac sucked
fading sky
Dno
ashen socket
Top dps and ww spam for the win
I mean thats probably the closest fury was to uncapped right?
bladestorm
ww spam
hollow elk
god thos were the trully braindead days lol
ashen socket
Yeah
100%
But cant lie
fury felt pretty damn good in keys all throughout slands lol
ashen socket
YEP
I mean
nobody played ret
and then it got reworked
and then everyone swapped
just gotta get fury player base to roll off and get the player count into surv numbers
then big rework
right?
sage ridge
They are honestly a lot of fun but it is probably the easiest spec in the entire game in my opinion
ashen socket
Yeah
sage ridge
Fury is really easy too but I'd say Ret is easier
ashen socket
now go to the pally discord and say that so you can upset a bunch of people
ashen socket
yep
hollow elk
Fury is really easy too but I'd say Ret is easier
i dunno man. cant really play properly without a couple of weak auras now
fury i mean
sage ridge
Yeah
hollow elk
and rage management is ass
hollow elk
o pressed too late and an auto got out GUESS YOUER OVERCAPPED NOW FUCK BOY
quiet breach
its easy
ashen socket
execute without weakauras would be extremely hard
I feel like
I dont need wa's for fury
but maybe that is my problem?
quiet breach
I dont need wa's for fury
you will not convince me u will consistently use execute properly without WA
hollow elk
rip
ashen socket
you will not convince me u will consistently use execute properly without WA
Maybe I mean I played fury since wod so
its pretty burnt into my brain
Im sure I could do it
of course its been changed several times since then but
its pretty much the same imo
fading sky
Well its not 3 stacks bt
ashen socket
build spend in optimal rotation
ashen socket
Yeah
hollow elk
you can tell when you got 85% crit without a wa?
warm crag
I dont need wa's for fury
Eh nah youre not gonna optimally play around slayer and bt conditionals without a weakaura
strong hazel
now go to the pally discord and say that so you can upset a bunch of people
I mean most people would agree lmao
warm crag
Close to optimal? Sure
strong hazel
Like go into the assa channel and tell them it's completly brainrotted rota and they most likely would just go
"Yea"
quiet breach
or at least it wasnt so boring
ashen socket
Like go into the assa channel and tell them it's completly brainrotted rota and ...
Nha
those pallies
quiet breach
classic leveling took forever but it was fufn
quiet breach
and challenging
ashen socket
super mad
fading sky
or at least it wasnt so boring
Levelin is fun and relaxong
hollow elk
i cant get into the mindset to enjoy leveling anymore
sage ridge
70-80 isn't as fun the 8th time around
fading sky
Its all about perspective
hollow elk
i feel like im wasting multiple days lol
hollow elk
ill level and enjoy it in any other game
fading sky
I just send my rested xp on alts
hollow elk
in wow? god i could be running keys or crafting or weeklies dailies w.e
fading sky
in wow? god i could be running keys or crafting or weeklies dailies w.e
Addicted to m+
quiet breach
yo
did archon remove their
controversial addon
i was about to download it before pushing keys today 
warm crag
Least meaningful metric just dropped
fading sky
The parser 1?
quiet breach
ye
hollow elk
saw a thread of some guy opting out and now cant get to any keys
was funny.
yeah mate. you got no info. youre pretty much gray
quiet breach
oh nvm, i cant download it thru curseforge
hollow elk
so nobody is going to get you into that 10 -12 lol
quiet breach
have to use their app
hollow elk
overwolf
quiet breach
saw a thread of some guy opting out and now cant get to any keys
tbh i wouldnt even care to download it if i was only doing my weekly 10s, but i wanna push to 3k io
the grey boys can get in for 10s idc
fading sky
So we gotta dl it?
quiet breach
but i cant risk it for higher lol
hollow elk
think its already integrated into the warcraftlogs thing
you just have to flip a switch
asuming you got it updated
fading sky
I tried no nothing
hollow elk
after that you gotta refresh and it should start showing the info on hovers
people has to reach some sort of threshold before it shows their stuff tho
quiet breach
people has to reach some sort of threshold before it shows their stuff tho
if it doesnt show their stuff i should just decline them right?
fading sky
Im at like 2880 ish
hollow elk
if it doesnt show their stuff i should just decline them right?
up to you if you want to roll thos dice.
fading sky
Ive got decent "parses"
fading sky
Its dumb but ppl use the metrics they can
quiet breach
no oranges
hollow elk
i mean the idea is that. better something that gives you some guidance than a shot in the dark
ive brought over plenty of 2700s that go and do tank dmg
hollow elk
sorry i need to stop staring at the mirror
ashen socket
ive brought over plenty of 2700s that go and do tank dmg
I mean 2700 io is like
super avg player bracket
hollow elk
i mean if youre trying to join a raiding guild thats just starting mythic or wants to go into it
fading sky
Hehe we are on rik prog
hollow elk
I mean 2700 io is like
sure but its usually what you get at the highest for say a +10
ashen socket
Gotta post on tueday when reset happens
hollow elk
Hehe we are on rik prog
we just cleared rik. got benched for stix cuz im not ranged 🙂
fading sky
+12 is the most fun, no seasonal affix just game
ashen socket
Got big io players capping their crests
fading sky
we just cleared rik. got benched for stix cuz im not ranged 🙂
Fact
fading sky
We are prob 1-2 weeks of prog on rik
ashen socket
Y I K E S
fading sky
2 raid days
hollow elk
i wouldnt be surprised if we get stuck on rik again for a whole day lol
fading sky
Its a fun fight
warm crag
Richard Resonanz prog
ashen socket
Rik is only hard if your dps are bad or not hitting the adds which comes back to dps being bad
quiet breach
am i supposed to be able to see my own parses in the raider.io area of the groupfinder?
fading sky
Rik is only hard if your dps are bad or not hitting the adds which comes back to...
Rik is a lot harder depending on comp
hollow elk
Rik is only hard if your dps are bad or not hitting the adds which comes back to...
we have a melee heavy group
hollow elk
and ranged dont like not cleaving and focusing the packed up bombs isntead of the ones that are far away. we fixed this but like. they are children
ashen socket
I dont think the melee heavy is the problem on rik
fading sky
and ranged dont like not cleaving and focusing the packed up bombs isntead of th...
Same
ashen socket
deffo the 3 dead weights
hollow elk
it is when your 4 ranged dps are thinking on parses in prog pulls and are trying do blast the stacked up bombs
instead of hitting the far away single bomb
fading sky
100%
ashen socket
Parses are such bs now
ashen socket
either you parse because you kill the boss early enough or you parse cause you got 10 kills on a boss
fading sky
More relavant now then wjen aug
hollow elk
dhs and fury warriors dashing all over the place and fucking up the tower placement bait cuz shits not dying
fading sky
dhs and fury warriors dashing all over the place and fucking up the tower placem...
Tbf i,leap back
I can read timers
ashen socket
People actively trying to parse on first kills is troll af
ashen socket
Like im sorry no good guild is going to give a rats ass that you got a 99 on the third boss in raid
hollow elk
we had this DH in cauldron literally ignoring the cries of the guy doing toy robots and BASHING the fucking toys into the oposite walls lol
ashen socket
they will care way more if you have 10 blue parses on a ce boss in a tier
because that is way more impressive
fading sky
On cauldron u need to gamba in mid
warm crag
On cauldron u need to gamba in mid
Wdym gamba in mid
warm crag
Wheres the gamba
fading sky
Meh we got so many melees
hollow elk
mid usually gets all the parsing monkeys so all mechs are focused there
fading sky
That panic rush its 100% loghtning in tjere