fury

[chrome plover]

have defile down, spam vamp strike and when runic power is full or you get a proc, press death coil or epidemic (7+ targets)

i guess you press festering scythe when it procs too

[earnest canyon]

do you find it fun?

[chrome plover]

and then you do 30m dps

[chrome plover]

yes

i am a mindless spam enjoyer

[earnest canyon]

fair

what is the ST like?

[chrome plover]

bad :)

[earnest canyon]

ah like pala then

[barren dagger]

For people that play both fury and arms, do you see a difference in being invited to keys?

[eternal sundial]

Yes

Shit spec vs less shit spec

[dry fable]

Whats the general consensus about prioing BT? Wowhead guide says either 3+ stacks or below 35%, APL says 4+ stacks or below 35% with 2 stacks?

[tacit abyss]

No problems with invites 10-12 range, feel like it is a bit faster as arms. And Arms does more overall dmg than fury in most dunheons

[earnest canyon]

most people dont look into it that deeply....its just "dps warrior"

at least at my key level

[tacit abyss]

You can just use the weakaura from dragonflight and press bt, when it says so and below 35%

This aura here. As pistet in tww updates

[dusk matrix]

Anyone got a macro for best-in-slots + CDs? Having trouble with it just switching to agi weapon on pulls. Low iq warrior

[indigo arch]

Tfw start going arms for keys and damage goes from still shittier than some specs to less shit but still shit

Ty blizz

Great xpac :)))))

[remote bobcat]

arms dmg is not shit

wdym

[indigo arch]

Not as good as a spec to me= shit

[remote bobcat]

yea you're not an uhdk but you beat like 95% of specs

[indigo arch]

considering no util

If warr had util i'd be cool with it

beating rets now at least

[clever belfry]

where did this narrative of no util come from

[indigo arch]

so that's a bonus

[remote bobcat]

anda he's a serial warr doomer

ignore him

[indigo arch]

Rallying cry= ass in m+

[clever belfry]

a: it isnt
b: thats far from the only thing warrior brings

[indigo arch]

Needs either a health buff or swap to damage reduction

Yea aoe stops that other specs bring

the only claim to fame is bshout

[clever belfry]

col arms has a knock up on 20s cd

that is probably one of the most broken aoe stops in the game my king

the knock up doesnt dr like stuns do 👍

battleshout is as good as druid vers buff for tank survivability

[indigo arch]

Wish they'd bring back disrupting too

[clever belfry]

warrior has issues. Absolutely. But none of the ones youre trying to paint here

[indigo arch]

Not fun to watch casts chunk ppl when bolt/shockwave/pummel are cd

[remote bobcat]

(to be fair our knock up is followed by a stun, causing us to be a detriment to the stun DR anyway)

[clever belfry]

what comps run more than 3 aoe stuns anyway

and even then u can do first and last

cause you arent affected

[remote bobcat]

you have these buttons, take a ret pala, what can he do that you cant?

in terms of cc

[clever belfry]

blinding light on 90s cd buddy

👑 👑 👑 👑 👑

[radiant plank]

Blinding light vs a knockup

hmmmge

[indigo arch]

Aoe stop via blinding light, offheals, sac, bop, freedom, full heals va loh, being able to bubble soak

[remote bobcat]

moo

we are talking about casters here

not offheal stuff

[clever belfry]

youre not offhealing a one tap

[remote bobcat]

how do u stop or kick casters

as ret

[indigo arch]

All warrs have is stops and bshout lmao

[clever belfry]

u hoj

[indigo arch]

blinding light/hoj

[clever belfry]

(worse than stormbolt)

[remote bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-falling-building-fall-woodz-gif-24715383

[indigo arch]

optionally wake if undead mob

[clever belfry]

wake is really good at wasting stun dr on undeads

thats really about it

[remote bobcat]

^

[indigo arch]

It is, unless that wake goes out as first stun since it's a 5 second

but that's assuming much from a ret

LMAO

[clever belfry]

the main thing warrior lacks rn is just dambur

[remote bobcat]

idk bro, if u play colo arms you match ret dmg and bring more cc, you only have less defensive util

[clever belfry]

its really simple as

[clever belfry]

external Defensive util

[indigo arch]

the one upside rn is beating ret again

[remote bobcat]

sorry yea external

[clever belfry]

ret runs out of stuff to live themselves faster

[indigo arch]

hated seeing ret become fury but better, now I can play a spec I hate to spite them

fuck you pink guys, brown bar rises above

[clever belfry]

if u wanna have a vendetta against any spec/class

have it be fire mage

they actually deserve the hatred

[indigo arch]

Any time fire mage isn't meta they act like they got taken out back and shot

glad aug's dead too

[remote bobcat]

rets deserve the hatred too, wdym

[indigo arch]

may it stay dead

[remote bobcat]

m+ meta is a lot more diverse now that augs dead

causation doesnt necessarily equal correlation but you know, it's right there

[gleaming siren]

I HATE Andalf

[next ruin]

In a physical comp warrior is mandatory

Uhdk has no utility, it's there cos it does absurd uncapped damage

Dooming Daniel

[sour frigate]

No utility

Solo soaking dungeon mechanics no utility right

Better kick

Grab

No utility no shit

[clever belfry]

all melee should have a 15y kick like dk

if they keep making melee the fucking battlefield that it is

[gleaming siren]

All Melee should have short range kick

(1 y)

[clever belfry]

shut up warlock player

[remote bobcat]

what if our heroic throw was our kick instead, but not on the gcd ofc

[gleaming siren]

kiss the mob to kick it

[remote bobcat]

think

[clever belfry]

gag order
gag order

[remote bobcat]

throw cleaver in face to disrupt cast

[clever belfry]

i hope no one remembers that fucking talent

[remote bobcat]

makes sense to me

clueless~1

[sour frigate]

[remote bobcat]

anda

why doesnt gio want to marry me

[clever belfry]

u just need to become galastronk

become one with gio

[next ruin]

we have spell reflect which is as op as ams
They have a range kick ok, but we have more stuns
We have the best physical raid buff, tank damage, tank surv, highest dps raidbuff
Very high mobility compared to dk

Warrior is in a top comp bcos of its utility
Dk is here bcos of being op, last season you had 0 uhdk, once they're nerfed you'll have 0 of them

[gleaming siren]

Okay Spell Reflect is not the same as AMS

not even close

[remote bobcat]

spell reflects value per cast is lower, obviously. but you cast spell reflect so much more that it might actually be similar in value

🤔

[next ruin]

Spell reflect is on the list of the most busted defensive with ams and everything mage has

[plush zephyr]

Hell yeah talk that warrior shit. I love topping the interrupt board. Also interrupting something and then throwing a hammer to stun something else almost at the same time is so sick.

[barren dagger]

Isn’t spell reflect worse than in df?

6m reflects dont hit as hard

I need more dopamine release

[next ruin]

Even without damage it's like a wall on a 25s cd

I would not trade spell reflect for ams

[plush zephyr]

Robin is that riffraff?

[dense elbow]

They made sure all the busted bursters are gone. But SR is still strong. On final boss priory as an example, SR was 11% of my dam in a 12

[plush zephyr]

11%? Holy shit

[thick fossil]

If DK gets reflect added to AMS, I'd be done. I'd go to another game, unless warrior got some crazy good stuff.

[plush zephyr]

Will that be before or after blizzard kills WAs and other add ons?

[inner zinc]

Are you just taunt spell reflecting those smites?

[barren dagger]

Yeah he’s my goat

[next ruin]

Why would they ever do this

[thick fossil]

We hope they never do.

[sour frigate]

Spell reflect dot on second boss of rookery or spheres in priory

[warm crag]

Wtf are you saying

[gleaming siren]

You see Reflect is a 20% DR even if you can't reflect! AMS absorbing the entire mechanic with the debuff it'll leave behind is cheating

Btw you would not leave behind a web puddle when getting pulled in by Ansurek with AMS

[next ruin]

It's written

[next ruin]

Notice me andy

[gleaming siren]

Please notice me verified streamer Spongie

such a big fan

[warm crag]

Noticed

[clever belfry]

how about u stream deez

[verbal condor]

guys does anyone have a jugg stacks WA? can't seem to find any good ones

[earnest canyon]

nice juggs lol

[clever path]

if the bloodthirst/SD conditions weakaura goes kaching, and I'm enraged but using them will overcap, do i still do it?

or rampage first?

[oblique trail]

Exe conditionals > Rampage above 100 rage > BT conditionals

[clever path]

Perfect thanks, and do we cancel bladestorm to rampage if we get to max rage?

[oblique trail]

No you let BS run, because of Unhinged

[gleaming siren]

I am Unhinged

[oblique trail]

Also if it makes sense in context of whatever fight you're on, you want to RB spam until you're either out of RB charges or unenraged after every BS

The only fights on Mythic at least that I'm aware of this being an issue, is Rik really

[oblique trail]

[remote bobcat]

have you tried making one?

[clever belfry]

abuser

angy fish

[warm crag]

Do i Talent cyclone

[clever belfry]

spongie back to work

[warm crag]

No

Im playing slayer fury and Carlo (phd in dps) says its like poe slayer so i was thinking of playing cyclone fury

[stuck spindle]

Got trashball mechanic 3 in a row yesterday during M progg

[clever belfry]

how many people had been dead

[tender cairn]

based kokomi enjoyer

[clever belfry]

he dosent even have a kok

he is fake kokomi enjoyer.

[tender cairn]

I retract my statement

[gleaming siren]

I have a kok

[tender cairn]

imagine not having c6 koko smh my head

[clever belfry]

okay c6 is psychotic

get help

[gleaming siren]

C6 Kok enjoyers are gigachads

[tender cairn]

she's all the help I need 🙏

[clever belfry]

crit kokomi (she cant crit)

[gleaming siren]

If your critrate isn't positive

L Critkomi

[tender cairn]

she can (with enough crit)

[oblique trail]

Ok and you don't have her as your ingame pfp nor do you have her plastered everywhere else, so you're also a fake kok fan

[tender cairn]

speaking of psychotic

[clever belfry]

im about to prove u wrong

[tender cairn]

I run her with tao

[clever belfry]

?

[tender cairn]

[oblique trail]

[gleaming siren]

Chinese gambling game

[clever belfry]

cooked

oh no leaking my uid!!!

[warm crag]

Me when i prog stix as 6 people so i have to roll every time

[tender cairn]

gg I know where u live now

[clever belfry]

https://akasha.cv/profile/andameow? only important metric anyway

pvp

[earnest canyon]

ive hacked ur bank and social security

[gleaming siren]

Nothing left in his bank it's all spent on talents

[torpid elbow]

slayer in raiding is nastyt work

[warm crag]

We have a full team trying to figure out what that means

[oblique trail]

ok but you literally changed this to prove a point

still fake

[clever belfry]

just for leveling + talents ofc

no weps no artifacts

[oblique trail]

2nd least hinged spreadsheet made by Anda

[clever belfry]

this is for sure more hinged than the hairstyle one

[oblique trail]

Correct

Which is why I said 2nd least hinged

[warm crag]

12 gold

[clever belfry]

brotherman i was elaborating

[barren dagger]

Did they remove stix already from rankings?

[oblique trail]

Eballsorating

[clever belfry]

i think u should elaborate what cbt stands for

[clever belfry]

mr cbt???

[oblique trail]

powerful equipment

[fickle bluff]

Recalibrate for ass destruction

[slim pollen]

Hmm, the icon is a bit sus...

[dense elbow]

Why are ppl currently inviting Fury Warrior so often

What influencer spread the good word?

[elfin belfry]

Idk, but thane fury is really fun

[feral ivy]

PURE FUCKEN LIE

[flat river]

What are these votes

[flat river]

xD

Yeah im getting invited a lot

[feral ivy]

its from the voting for "favorite dungeon in this expansion"

[bitter palm]

fed...

[oblique trail]

I'm not even 670 yet

I'm only 669.8 or something

The gear has also gone to good use

[marble schooner]

priory is like 2nd best designed dung after Floodgate imo

maybe 3rd Dawnbreaker 2nd

(this expac)

arakara being 1st is so cringe tho

ngl most boring dung to run so far

[remote bobcat]

dawnbreaker is the best designed dungeon, it's held back by too many casters and a lot of ship bugs, both are easily fixed

if dawn is polished

then it blows flood and priory out of the water

[modest condor]

if the ship was as easily fixed as you say then im sure they would have done that already

[plush ice]

Yeah I like dawnbreaker, but I can totally understand some of those ship bugs aren't trivial to fix

[mossy fox]

actually am kinda happy with the top 3 there

dawn was just boring imo but at least it's short

[merry night]

where can i find the prio list for when to press certain abilities

[earnest canyon]

wowhead/icy veins etc

[merry night]

isnt there like a wowlog action sheet or does that come from those sites?

[earnest canyon]

u want the apl?

[merry night]

yeah yeah

is that what that is

looool

[earnest canyon]

wowhead literally has the prio list

[merry night]

im looking for shit like this
actions.slayer_execute+=/overpower,if=buff.martial_prowess.stack<2&buff.opportunist.up&talent.opportunist&(talent.bladestorm|talent.ravager&rage<85)

[radiant plank]

Yeah

what about it

[merry night]

where do u get that at

[bitter palm]

raidbots

[radiant plank]

simulationcraft

[bitter palm]

or simc

[merry night]

❤️

[bitter palm]

run a sim

click on ur character then scroll down

[merry night]

tyty

trying to help my buddy play fire and i know ive seen ppl talking about that report

so thats why i asked lol

ty btw

[bitter palm]

u can find the apl in 2 tabs there

action priorty list which shows how many times a condition was hit as well

and raw input or something where u can see the apl in text

[radiant plank]

Yeaaah

GL reading the fire apl

[merry night]

ngl i aint reading it, he is loooool

[radiant plank]

I htink he will get more out of

[oblique trail]

It's good trinket/weekly keys which is probably why the majority of people picked them

[radiant plank]

just reading a guide

or asking for help

somewhere

[bitter palm]

magehub still a thing no

[merry night]

no clue

i only zug

[bitter palm]

https://www.mage-hub.com/fire

legit just send him this

[merry night]

W

[remote bobcat]

disgusting

[bitter palm]

?

[remote bobcat]

the class

[bitter palm]

blablabla

blebleble

blublublu

[remote bobcat]

yes

fk mages

[merry night]

facts

told him reroll war

zugzug

[flat river]

Ngl my favorite dungeon is Ara Ara City of Waifus

[remote bobcat]

Weirdge

[turbid gate]

how do you guys manage on mythic sprocket when your cds are not up and ur tank is pulling

[oblique trail]

Tell them your CDs aren't ready from the wipe and ask them to wait

[radiant plank]

u tell them to not pull

[oblique trail]

It's something you say before a pull timer goes out

[turbid gate]

they dont listen unlucky i guess

[oblique trail]

Surely the people making the pull counter listens

[turbid gate]

no cuz they keep saying that damage doesnt matter we still need to practice p2 gate

but when we do it one time right we might be in range for kill and i might not have enough dmg

[oblique trail]

If you were still in early prog I'd almost agree

[coarse nest]

Not waiting for peoples cooldowns is omega cringe!?

[oblique trail]

But if you mean p2 -> 2nd intermission gate then you definitely hold till you have CDs ready

[turbid gate]

id say we have been sitting too long on this boss already

[oblique trail]

Fury is one of the best specs on this fight

[turbid gate]

yea but if i have like 30s cd on pull to avatar and reck bs then its not fun to start the fight

[coarse nest]

Like how do you form habits on prog if your cooldowns change every pull based on not waiting for them to be ready at the start

That’s pretty L imo

[turbid gate]

every pull different cds window haha

[coarse nest]

It’s like when people say “your damage doesn’t matter”

Like yes it does because more damage equals boss dead sooner

Boss dead sooner generally equals easier

[lone portal]

So I main prot, but am curious about fury... I don't have any 2-handers... and I truly trolling testing out SMF?

Fist weapon fury is sick vibes too

[hardy bluff]

i mean it works

you will just do alot less damage

[lone portal]

If I could get another goddamn 2hander to drop it wouldnt even be a consideration

[remote bobcat]

if you want to compete in dmg, dont play smf

it cant compete

howeveerrrr

you can learn the spec with it

[quiet breach]

if u just want to try out fury its fine

[lone portal]

Well I'll go blast 6s into the earth as arms and try to get my hands on a second 2-hander

[quiet breach]

switch to arms loot spec

[lone portal]

Already do, I open my vaults as arms as a prot main lol

[quiet breach]

isn't it supposed to reset when the boss resets after a wipe?

[oblique trail]

CDs less than 2 minute do not reset

There are some exceptions if in the past they were 2 minute, or have CDR

It's just stupid and inconsistent, but not much we can do about it

[bitter palm]

i love wiping 20 seconds after pull

[bitter palm]

i just say i gtg toilet

[rigid stirrup]

Or hold ready check hostage

If you're raiding in a mythic prog guild they usually wait for shit to come back up unless you're just pulling to see a certain early overlap

[south kayak]

Imagine no 1.5 trinkets next season

[bitter palm]

almost no 1.5 this season

hoc and funhouse

[modest condor]

we'll still have lens next season

and they did specifically change a trinket to be 1.5 minutes during ptr this patch so i'm sure they'll do the same thing next patch

[clever belfry]

just move all 90s classes to be 60s classes real

[tender pulsar]

convergent evolution into ret paladin

[clever belfry]

x' = ln(20+x)

compute this

[bitter palm]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-balloon-shaking-gifdopedrao-gif-18309166828393550457

[oblique trail]

Nyo :3

[clever belfry]

(it converges to something close to pi)

new approximation just dropped

[modest condor]

nah

[flat river]

;-;

Thats super sad

[halcyon fern]

Is mechacore amplifier still bis for fury? Even after the buffs to other trinkets?

[edgy widget]

#updates-midnight message

[halcyon fern]

Thanks

[idle wolf]

no time to raid 3x a week so all i'd be doing is keys probably.

[clever belfry]

me when i do == on floating point

[modest condor]

idk what im looking at

[clever belfry]

x' = log(20+x)

converges

is what ure looking at

(almost) to pi

[modest condor]

isnt that a differential equation?

[clever belfry]

no its a recursive function

[modest condor]

not familiar with that term

[clever belfry]

also the way i wrote the if statement is psychotic

doesnt make it readable at all

[wintry sundial]

This shit is way too smart for the fury channel

[clever belfry]

this is not smart

this is stupid as fuck

[wintry sundial]

Carry on then

[coarse nest]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-gif-23918002

[iron portal]

420

[clever belfry]

holy moly

[gleaming siren]

Don't call it x prime bro...

Call it x_{n+1}

[clever belfry]

i will call it x prime

frigg u

[gleaming siren]

Verwechslungsgefahr..

[clever belfry]

dont care

read

[gleaming siren]

Also re-assigning the value in the same action as comparing it to the previous value

Is fucking illegal

[clever belfry]

order of operations shenanigans

if u did
<reassignment> - val

it wouldnt work

[gleaming siren]

Yes still illegal

[clever belfry]

absolutely

very funny

very unclear what val it uses for val

[runic acorn]

Mechano core is still simming higher than viscera for me, not sure why

[quiet breach]

I need to change my rallying cry keybind now that I'm in a guild that calls out rallys

I misclicked it on one pull

need a keybind that is unmisclickable

[quiet breach]

I love this gif

[south kayak]

yo anda

You don't play poe do you

[smoky vale]

i heard the current poe 2 patch was not good

[warm crag]

it is certainly not good

[smoky vale]

[clever belfry]

no

[bitter palm]

bla bla boring game bla bla

[clever belfry]

i dont really have an opinion on the g ame

other than i am not interested

👍

[quiet breach]

sprocket is chest tier drop guy?

[clever belfry]

correct

[quiet breach]

does vexie, cauldron, rik, or Stix drop any catalyzable chests?

for warrior

[clever belfry]

brother

open dungeon journal

[quiet breach]

I'm at work

if u know answer if u don't don't, or if u don't want to answer then dont

[clever belfry]

(on the first 5 bosses only vexie and stix drop cata items, for all armor classes)

[clever belfry]

u need to 78

i know the answer, but im asking u to not be a cretin and try to have everything spoonfed to u

[quiet breach]

listen bro, the answer is not easily googleable and I'm not at home to check dungeon journal

[warm crag]

if u know answer if u don't don't, or if u don't want to answer then dont

[quiet breach]

u don't have to be a dickhead about it just ignore my post then

[compact siren]

thank you spongie

[warm crag]

oops

[solemn plover]

you're welcome

[warm crag]

thank you blue spongie

[solemn plover]

you're welcome

[warm crag]

im checking the books tab of liberation of undermine loot table

what the fuck

[oblique trail]

7 8 then 9

[hollow widget]

i have a question,why in fury simc, Raging Blow damage higher than Rampage, but in wcl top player logs the rampage damage higher than raging blow

[quiet breach]

scrolling thru this massive post to find what I need is way harder than just asking in the chat, hence not easily googleable

[compact siren]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-animals-capybara-gif-8797381

[quiet breach]

nobody is forcing u to answer, feel free not to

[clever belfry]

ur brain is forcing u to answer shit questions

[warm crag]

it most certainly is easily googleable but you want others to do the work for you, which is fine, but dont get mad when others will call you out on that

[quiet breach]

if someone already knows off the top of their head they don't have to do any work

just like if i answer any questions off the top of my head if I know something

it doesn't cost me anything

just trying to help ppl out

I don't HAVE to, but I will if I can

[south kayak]

what are you playing

[warm crag]

i am not anymore

huntress till act 2 somewhere near the end of it

[south kayak]

oof

understandable

[forest owl]

i just did a +2 workshop on one of my alts, 32 deaths, a 640 healer that couldnt heal or dispell tank on dog boss, russian ele shammy 635 doing 600k dps overall, wiped us 3 times dog boss cause they kept stacking on blocks with circles, healer and shammy dead first lasers 3rd boss and a warlock that took 3 attempts to place gate to last trash pack and wiped us 3 times trying to do it, i swear +2s are the worst

[south kayak]

32????

[forest owl]

20 deaths before 3rd boss, the absolute most smooth brain players ive seen all season

[south kayak]

That reminds me of a person with 643 something ilvl joining our +2 rookery, or was it a 0, idk

but he was doing 0 dps

later I talked with him and he was a new player so that made sense

aand that's fine tbh

[forest owl]

omg i just found out the healer was giving the 635 ele shammy the PI..he did 600k overall xD

[south kayak]

you can basically gear up to like heroic or late champion level just from doing delves

and then you come in m+ which is a lot harder

that proggression curve can be annoying

[forest owl]

i mean i get that there can be new players but actively signing up for keys when you could be doing heroic/mythic to learn stuff, whether its the dungeons or your class, fine, but signing up to other peoples keys and completely goofing them is no bueno

[fading sky]

Fact...

But also if he is new he doesnt know that

[barren dagger]

do shamans do like 18m dps one pull and then next pull it's 600k

or is it just me

ty no cinderbrew season 3 for whoever voted

[fervent yoke]

Think I’m only going fury for stix and GW this week damn

[summer stone]

we still the best spec

[warm crag]

on sprocket ye

[sullen dove]

dungeon is sick tf

annoying bosses but many trash explosion good

Need to see 100m dps screenshot in it next patch

[barren dagger]

first boss is full RP

i'm not about it

[sullen dove]

It’s like 2 10 second phases if ur group aren’t 4heads

[summer quail]

ye thank fuk. 2 of the bosses are ass, other 2 are good tho

[wintry sundial]

Their main damage CD is a 3 minute cooldown so they only get to have fun every other pack

[sullen dove]

dev evoker feels like that sometimes to

[warm crag]

devoker

[sullen dove]

🔥 🐲

pop like 20milly on a pack then just do like 3mil spamming pyre merchant

[flat river]

anyone tried Mountain Thane on stix?

[warm crag]

ye like everyone

[flat river]

is it gud

[warm crag]

what do you think

[flat river]

no idea

you tell me

xd

[warm crag]

you are the chef

you are also gio

[flat river]

in theory its better

cause there are a lot of adds

[bitter palm]

gio57

[warm crag]

did you check what ppl are running on logs

[flat river]

nope

[warm crag]

go

[bitter palm]

gio57

go57

[flat river]

bro

[bitter palm]

check57 logs57

[flat river]

wallahi im not gio57

[warm crag]

galastronk57

gala57

[bitter palm]

gala57

[flat river]

BRUH

[bitter palm]

gio 🥀

[radiant plank]

🥀

[compact siren]

gio the chef

[flat river]

:(

[compact siren]

= revvez

lore

[warm crag]

= archi

but scripe declined to comment

[bitter palm]

revvezfiftyseven...

new split

[feral ivy]

so next patch on 22 or 29? should be 22nd right?

[junior gale]

Nobody knows

[edgy widget]

you can also open the droptimizer and it'll show you all the loot from each boss

don't actually have to run it, just put in your char info and the tables will populate

[smoky vale]

COMBUST

[lavish pond]

guys maintaining against the dummies 4.5 million while sim ( no buffs ) says 5 , is it an ok difference? or is it a huge gap?

actually sim says 4.9

[sour frigate]

its fine

[unreal onyx]

killed stix 🙂

65 pulls

[warm crag]

king

did you get stick

[warped maple]

how do we aoe in 5+ targets

[kindred basin]

Same way as <5, but crying a lot more

[edgy widget]

Press thunder clap/blast, press single target, profit

[warped maple]

gotcha

so just a tad more whirlwind

[olive nest]

nobody said anything about more whirlwind

[unreal onyx]

if stick means axe, then yes

mediocre level gaming

[remote bobcat]

ww to get meat cleaver

only

[warped maple]

what spends bloodcraze apart bloodthirst

also whats teh window for holding avatar for recklessness

[fickle cedar]

they cast each other, so just send

[remote bobcat]

dont hold

because daurek's reasoning

[warm crag]

king loot for kings

[gilded pawn]

ravager/bladestorm

casting bloodthirst

[warped maple]

do i ever wanna try and line any cds up

[remote bobcat]

for a beginner, holding for 5-10 seconds will benefit you

there are some rules to it when trying to optimize

but like..

shrug

[warped maple]

where can i find said rules

[remote bobcat]

APL

[violet condor]

is there no class tuning this week?

[sour frigate]

fury all ability damage nerfed 3%

[violet condor]

wait no not that kind!

[remote bobcat]

Id personally like it if arms execute gets buffed, while juggernaut gets nerfed

[sour frigate]

[violet condor]

id like fury to get buffed thunderous roar to get buffed and thunder blast to get buffed fury only

[remote bobcat]

Weirdge

[violet condor]

😄

[remote bobcat]

bad way to buff fury

too strong

buff odyns for m+

instead

[violet condor]

oh well furys strong for once

oh no

oh my friend...were never using odyn fury ever again after last season

that talents gone in my mind

we might of been on the podium last season we all saw happened

[remote bobcat]

ur american or british arent u

[violet condor]

probably

[next ruin]

when putting a log into wowanalyzer, let's say a m+ log. it appears that what i struggle the most are : uptime and holding cd's a bit too much (while i feel that i do cooldowns on cooldown). Is there a quick way to see where the robot thinks i was out of melee for too long or when i could have used my cd's ?

[remote bobcat]

native speakers always say might of when it's might've

YEP

[remote bobcat]

wowa bad

[violet condor]

https://tenor.com/view/eagle-american-eagle-patriot-cheer-gif-7944956

[sullen dove]

think its pretty ok now but not sure about how it works in m+

[next ruin]

wowa bad ? ive never heard of this

[remote bobcat]

in pure st we're supposed to raging blow after bladestorm despite being rage capped, yet wowa says u suck

[warm crag]

wowanalyzer is fine right now

[sullen dove]

obv not like a perfect synposis but just like good to see if youre overly messing up on stuff

[warm crag]

maintained by a guy in this discord whose name i forgor

[next ruin]

aaaah

[sullen dove]

big bowel syndrome

[warm crag]

i dont think it cares about your rb usage while you have brutal finish up it shouldnt ding you for that

[next ruin]

it only does this when you have reck up, you can make argument for it

[remote bobcat]

wowa is a tool you can use to improve your shit but you need to know a lot abt fury in order to not get jebaited by wowa

[warm crag]

but yeah m+ is so volatile its impossible to write a tool that tells you how to play better

watch vods and play more

only way to improve

[next ruin]

well, when looking at my log review i didnt make any rotational mistakes, better way to phrase it : the mistakes were du to pressing the wrong buttons, negligeable; I wasnt in melee nearly enough and apparently held cd's too much, but its a 27min timeline, is there a way to go from blunder to blunder ?

[sullen dove]

eh i mean if it shows u number of casts u can maybe do some of the math yourself

in 27 min you couldve hit avatar like... 18ish times? if effectively on cooldown?

obv gonna be holding some for packs and stuffw

would say if u miss more than like 2 thats prolly not great

[next ruin]

16 out of 18, and the 2 i held was during last boss, and im not sure if it's correct to hold, felt bad

my reck is low

[sullen dove]

last boss of what

[next ruin]

29 out of 37, and i don't see how

the rookery

i held cd's for the damage amp phase each time, but i had everything on pull

[sullen dove]

o yea i mean you prolly dont needa hold cuz avatar isnt like "that good" of a cd compared to some others, but yea idk

reck prolly harder to tell cuz u need to like get a lot of cdr

[next ruin]

i find holding for the second time it phases worth, since shield depops very fast with lust, but the first hold was criminal

[sullen dove]

idk where the magic number of 37 comes from

maybe just an understanding of reck is like an average 45sec ish cd

[next ruin]

and also if i reck less, i end up having even less recks, so it's not 45s average, but maybe 48s ? don't know if it makes sense

[sullen dove]

sure theres some negative feedback or whatever not hitting it as often means you get less overall but missing 8 recks does seem a little unideal unless you think you were holding alot for packs or something

pretty much should always hit reck/ravager on cooldown unless a pack of mobs is at like 10%

how many ravager casts

[next ruin]

i have them macrod

[sullen dove]

ok wonderin if did or not, should be same then probably

[next ruin]

exact same yes

[sullen dove]

but ye i mean idk avatar doesnt seem too egregious just maybe think about hittin reck a bit more

[feral ivy]

when i off spec tank i pull shit ton so i can make ppl feel good

[sullen dove]

w feral

[whole yacht]

i legit hit reck on cd unless mob is 2 hp

[remote bobcat]

^same

[whole yacht]

tank for me. make me feel good

[next ruin]

the downtime is the biggest problem, esp with second boss, i'll watch vods for this one. But i must have the problem for the whole key, wanted to see if it pointed it out directly

[sullen dove]

2nd boss got fixed i think to not channel in the puddles anymore

still leaps out and stuff and have to run out but def a bit better at least

[whole yacht]

what dungeon?

[sullen dove]

rookery

[next ruin]

the rookery

[whole yacht]

ah

last time i did it, he still casted in puddles

but that was before last reset

i forgot. is burst macro supposed to be ava -> reck
or reck -> ava

cast order

for the uh

80 rage

instead of 50

[next ruin]

i guess also for the level of the key, it is mostly gamers on fury, thus making me lower on the key%. difficult to beat beasts

reck first

but as thane i have reck and avatar on seperate buttons

[smoky vale]

keys urely

[sullen dove]

dont think this matters anymore

[whole yacht]

pretty sure archi mentioned it like

yesterday

or the day before

i just forgot what order he said

[sullen dove]

or i guess maybe it matters for rage gen and im thinkin of not clipping buff time that got fixed

[whole yacht]

clipping doesnt matter anymore

[sullen dove]

yea

[whole yacht]

1 order gives 50 one gives 80 with charge

[next ruin]

i try to fish for a tb proc during avatar from reck's, then tb avatar tb with the reset. As archi mentionned, this feels very strong (less overall damage than 1 cleave)

[sullen dove]

idk does reck give any rage on its own

cuz i think ava gives 10

if reck doesnt then thats prolly first

who knows doe

[whole yacht]

too much work. ill keep em macro'd

i do decent damage

average like 3.2m

overall

[sullen dove]

i think spending like 2 globals to do a clap bloodthirst for a tblast is ok but wouldnt wait out the whole berserkers torment ava duration

[next ruin]

you reck first so avatar gives more rage thanks to the buff to rage generation it provides

[whole yacht]

word

wprd

word*

my opener is saved

[next ruin]

with dh i try not to open too hard, lets be cautious

[whole yacht]

no more 60 rage openers. now 104

[sullen dove]

on my dragon anytime i used cds i just die

with a dh tank

he prolly wasnt that good the one this happened to me to

[smoky vale]

i remember that

yeah that guy was not good

[whole yacht]

fuck dh tanks that dont know how to threat gen

[sullen dove]

but like 3 deaths to melees in motherload was wikid

[next ruin]

opening a pack with 20 stacks pyre

[whole yacht]

ive seen dh tanks generate threat very quickly

[sullen dove]

that talent booty

we 🔥 boys now

[whole yacht]

but ive seen MORE that take 10 years

[next ruin]

oh its over ?

[sullen dove]

insta tip fire breath double engulf

20mil dps in 5 seconds

[remote storm]

For Mythic Vexie/Cauldron/Rik etc. I usually drop Deft Experience to get Improved Whirlwind/Meat Cleaver
But I've noticed some of the top logs also drop Depths of Insanity (The recklessness extension talent) in favour of one point in Deft Experience?
Is the extended Recklessness that little, and the enrage extension that important?

[next ruin]

truuue

[next ruin]

i think going meatcleaver and improved whirlwind on cauldron is bait

[whole yacht]

the reck extension is nice, but in very short fights (top logs), staying enraged longer feels better. imo. i could be fully brain ded

[sullen dove]

idk the top log when i looked at it doesnt take it it does feel weird but like, it isnt that much cleave time

prolly not super needed

[next ruin]

and between deft, vc and extended reck, sim it but you'll realize it's mostly cosmetic

[remote storm]

Sounds like I'm being baited by fast kill times then

[next ruin]

it's easy to calculate if it's worth or not

sim how much you lose compared to a full ST build

[whole yacht]

fast kill times are 99% going to be baiting you if youre progging

[next ruin]

calculate intermission uptime

[whole yacht]

top 100 parses is not what you want to use

[royal copper]

Fury suck and swallow dry balls in M+ 😦

Soo bad 😢

[next ruin]

see if you gain, you actually don't, you lose too much

[remote storm]

There's gotta be some hard math I can look at for that, Thanks, I'll see what I can work out

[whole yacht]

not really. its not amazing. but it isnt terrible

[royal copper]

12+ and up they’re starting to get more or less useless, DPS wise compared to other classes and spec. Sadly I hope they’ll fix it soon

[whole yacht]

i mean

i wouldnt call 3.2-3.6m dps useless.

with aoe stuns

and rally

again. its not beating say. a halfway decent boomkin or something

but its not terrible

[royal copper]

I mean it’s fine.. but not.. good 😢

[next ruin]

it's not hard math, just calculate the part of the encounter where you are not in intermission, so you'll see how much damage you're losing from running the aoe build. then calculate how much damage you need to gain in the intermission for it to compensate (spoiler, it's never worth)

[royal copper]

What ever - still love the class and spec 🙏

[whole yacht]

its not bad either. and our boss dmg beats basically everyone

its just aoe we suffer on in keys

[royal copper]

Single target - true.. there are some benefits here

[next ruin]

well the log im talking about is a +14, i guess i wasn't useless we almost +2'd it

[royal copper]

You must be top 100?

Ish

[next ruin]

st and st on demand, every single pack we have good prio damage, for lieutenant, casters, or even shooters, thats helpful, you need a class like this on each key

[next ruin]

i don't know, i do'n,t have 14 resilient so no

[royal copper]

I did a +13 with an Arms warrior - ngl this combo was insane tho!

[next ruin]

top 200 according to raiderio, but this doesnt mean anything since everyone switched to arms

[royal copper]

Fury with Arms holy cow the CC and everything went crazy

[royal copper]

I mean it does, you’re top 200 best 😉 numbers don’t lie

[next ruin]

i need to improve my uptime by a lot though, i don't do enough damage

[uneven bridge]

is bloodthirst > raging blow in stix with MT?

[remote bobcat]

i assume ur playing thane?

[whole yacht]

true

[next ruin]

mt = mountain thane ?

[warm crag]

if >=2 targets you can just prio bt as MT

[clever belfry]

love pressing BT (and not proccing TB)

[warm crag]

its slightly worse than playing the rotation correctly up until 5+? targets but it doesnt matter

[vague sierra]

I prio'd rb over bt on stix thane unless crit weak aura kaching'd, and then bloodthirst prio below 35%. Pretty sure that is standard rotation tho

[next ruin]

i feel like bt in aoe is more pad, thus we should press it

since a lot of mobs in a pack have lower health, thus taking 50% more damage on BT

everything it takes

[uneven bridge]

That's what I thought but then Crit has more bt than rb casts > 35% by far and I'm totally the opposite

That's why I'm asking 😐

[feral ivy]

guys mages are bugged and pulling mobs that are nearby from phoenix so care when inviting them

just ran TOP and it kept pulling adds on the side in the platform wing

[vague sierra]

It's because it's spell stealing the shield for some reason. Goofy as fuck. They've been doing it all patch

[feral ivy]

welp no more mages in TOP for now .. only dungeon i noticed

[vague sierra]

That question might be too specific for a general answer. A lot of factors.

[next ruin]

we be running physical comps, fuck them blue boys

[uneven bridge]

I guess that bt>rb when adds are up would made sense

[warm crag]

refer to this

[broken kite]

Is it better to push keys as fury or arms ?

[next ruin]

which one do you like

[broken kite]

Well fury but for aoe I see arms doing more

[next ruin]

try them both

arms is for obvious reason the most reasonnable pick. But you can play fury

[upbeat plume]

both are fine just a little different in what they are good at

[sour wing]

if im playing multi target on gally should i take massacre?

[silk wharf]

I don't think any suggested build uses massacre atm. Execute is down bad.

[next ruin]

Mythic gallywix?

[upbeat plume]

for multitarget yeah one of the first things sacrificed is masscre

[sour wing]

just heroic

[next ruin]

no you don't take massacre, you never take it as fury, it's not worth spending a talent point

[edgy widget]

Correct; you don't press Execute often enough as is, so making it available sooner and lowering its CD aren't important either

[feral ivy]

damn i wonder what i should learning as dps

other than warrior

[clever belfry]

mage

[feral ivy]

idk the way ppl talk about is that requires skill and has multiple fucken rotations depending if it was 5 or 6 mobs and so on

[clever belfry]

u press pyro

[next ruin]

You mean for warrior?

[clever belfry]

u learn the way to combust properly

and das about it

it's not hard

[feral ivy]

nah class i need to have a alt lol

[silk wharf]

UH dk

[next ruin]

Why do you want an alt, let's start from the beginning

[sour frigate]

Mm hunter

[feral ivy]

ah shit true true "why an alt" just incase guild needs something else other than warrior

[next ruin]

I try to take one in every key

[feral ivy]

like whats a good class everyone needs?

[clever belfry]

can u guys stop typing specs instead of classes

[clever belfry]

mage

always good, never good players on it

[feral ivy]

ok u keep throwing mage and i keep looking at it fall to the ground

[next ruin]

Depends on the scenario

[sour frigate]

Why

[clever belfry]

cause they're asking for claas

[feral ivy]

nah whats a EVERYONE needs .. prob go healer?

[sour frigate]

Any class with all 3 specs?

[feral ivy]

any class any spec

UH feels like its only good for m+

[next ruin]

Most guilds have enough healers

[sour frigate]

Doesn't sound good

[feral ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-scary-movie-parody-true-gif-27456863

feral druid?

[next ruin]

What type of content do you like the most

[feral ivy]

ah wait i hate feral druid i hate combo class/specs

[fickle cedar]

play sham enhance

[sullen dove]

play devoker

4 button spec with all the utility you could ever ask for

[feral ivy]

love raiding but if they say "ah shit need less melee" and then im out

i can be a dragon =0

[vague sierra]

Boomie probs. has tons of utility, desired damage profiles that few other specs can do, raid buff, healer support

[sour frigate]

🔥 🐲

Dragonish

[feral ivy]

i did try aug and gave up 3 seconds in but never tried dev

[sullen dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1358702241367982221/image.png?ex=67f57651&is=67f424d1&hm=5ffa267b6d8ee7f04d78565100911067011b27d8d8f267a2c2ee6a5c9c1e7155&

🔥 🐲

i mean giving up on aug is a bit pepelaugh but its terrible spec anyway

[feral ivy]

why is it blue and not green

[clever belfry]

firestorm needs to be deleted

[sullen dove]

idky its cast time is so long

[clever belfry]

that button is the most obstructive thing ever

[sullen dove]

that dmg is like 90% procs lol

o visually u mean

yea it is a bit in your face

does look sick tho

rain of fire but cool

[clever belfry]

I dont care about it when im not tge dragon tho

makes it imposs to see anything

awful

[feral ivy]

i have so many questions about this picture.. is this overall ? if so why is tank doing same as shammy

[sour frigate]

gaming

[sullen dove]

overall

[sour frigate]

🔥 🐲

[sullen dove]

and shammy bit low ilvl

prolly alt too not like most ideal play

[feral ivy]

is this a 10?

[sullen dove]

ya

[feral ivy]

ah kk

LOL i logged into my character i lvled at 80 when the expansion came out and still in the same guild .. damn

[sour frigate]

just did weekly on my dragon

owned 665 guys in my shitty 654

[sullen dove]

i filled m+ vault on dragon before warrior...

just did a 9 priory with the most gigachad 3k tank pulling entire rooms lookin for tank trinket (which he got)

ong prolly do like 5m on my dragon the way this guy was pulling

[feral ivy]

priory seems like a fun dungeon to tank but god damn it feels like DH does the best in it

[sour frigate]

ye was trying 14th priory all night yesterday

feelsbad to play ww

with udk/feral in party

[next ruin]

Traitor

[limber verge]

guys

is my dps good ?

for 634

ilvl

2 set bonus

[sullen dove]

i mean hard to say assume was lowish dungeon level and other 2 are around your ilvl and tank a bit higher

its not like terrible still beating the tank at least

just like super strange very close dmg range between everyone in the group xd

[limber verge]

hunter was

649

[sullen dove]

ya he's maybe a bit on the low side then

[limber verge]

tank 663

[sullen dove]

checks out

i mean it def looks ok

[limber verge]

do u have some tips for me ?

like opener wise

in aoe?

im throwing ravager in

usually

[sullen dove]

playing thane assuming?

[limber verge]

yes

[sullen dove]

yea make sure u like rampage before hitting thunder blasts but it pretty much is just keep ww stacks up from hitting tblast/tclap

[limber verge]

whats ww ?

whirlwind ?

[sullen dove]

whirlwind stacks yeah

[limber verge]

i dont whirlwind at all

[sullen dove]

when playing thane uget it from thunderclap

[limber verge]

just thundercalp

is it ok ?

[sullen dove]

just to make sure ur always cleaving

ye

[limber verge]

yeah

all 4 abilites

I refresh my thunderclap

and opener wise

how do you open ?

I ravager

recklessnes

avatar

thunderclap

rampage

[sullen dove]

try to ramp before hitting thunder blast

so its enraged

but otherwise yea pretty much

[limber verge]

hope I can run high keys

with my warr

im scared of not holding up with other classes

[sullen dove]

i mean warrs pretty decent

[feral ivy]

what is high keys for u?

[limber verge]

idk I just wanna push

i didnt play s2 at all

[feral ivy]

ignore dmg when pushing, and worry about living imo and then while u can live a 11 or 12 without dying then u worry about ur dps

[next ruin]

If you want to push keys the first step is to read a basic guide about your spec, ie icy veins, wowhead, maxroll

[sullen dove]

ye i mean first and foremost it is just building ilvl however you can

and that

[feral ivy]

i never seen anyone suggest icy veins in a LONG time

[limber verge]

whats fastest way to build ilvl guys

except m+

[sullen dove]

raid mostly

delves are decent

to do your 4 bountifuls a week

[feral ivy]

^

[limber verge]

can I get in any raid

with

´635

[feral ivy]

oo damn ur low low

umm

[limber verge]

yea

x

d

[sullen dove]

id say at least tryina get to like 640-645 decent shot at getting into normal

[feral ivy]

spam some 6's they give 649 gear which is heroic gear

[limber verge]

in a +8

rn

[feral ivy]

perfect

just keep spamming till u ilvl up

[next ruin]

If you are 634 and want to gear fast you could start by doing all m0's, then farm +6

Fastest way to do this is playing protection

If you can 7+ do them, so you can craft gear

You could make 3 items at 675 ilvl

[feral ivy]

2-3 2 if 1 of them is ur wep

[sour tundra]

we get another craft tomorrow for NA i think

[feral ivy]

yea

wait ah shit now im second guessing my self idk

[limber verge]

aight bet

[silk wharf]

It took so long to get any pants, but they have avoidance.

[next ruin]

Anyone playing an outlaw alt?

[hardy cargo]

outlaw owns

[civic bobcat]

Guys, is the mythic stix weapon better than the best in the hc slot?

[smoky vale]

am i noob tank

[quiet breach]

is there a reason to do m0 besides to learn?

if the guy is gearing an alt he might as well go straight into whatever keys he can get accepted to right?

[next ruin]

Champion loot, but way more loots

[quiet breach]

ohhhh

makes sense

[summer quail]

🤖

[civic bobcat]

I'm asking because some friends said that the best in slot isn't working well in the simulation.

[wispy bridge]

Pretty sure a hero track Best in Slots beats out a "normal" myth 2hander

[coarse nest]

It works fine afaik

Myth weapon will generally be better than heroic best in slots

[summer quail]

afaik it's working fine

[static rock]

Kinda surprised of the lack of dooming in here considering It feels like we're in a worse off spot from last season

[flat river]

why are our bis boots from priory

why wouldn't it be the boots from raid?

[smoky vale]

robot has the answer

[flat river]

i know it does

[hidden stirrup]

We're Fury Warriors, Trash is part of the spec

[flat river]

but guild wont recognize it is my bis

and wont prio it

for me\

[hidden stirrup]

And I say that having played it for 9 years at this point

[fickle cedar]

we're in a pretty decent spot for raid, thats probably why

[hidden stirrup]

I just wanted to swing big weapons and bonk things

[static rock]

Started doing Mythic+ on fury for about 5-6 years now, even beginning of SL felt better

[static rock]

I swear only reason it's this bad is cause noxiv is holding the spec on his back to make it look decent

[static rock]

plus I don't think top middle pack for raid constitutes being damn near worst for M+

We need to absolutely trash the forums if this is what devs think is fine

[smoky vale]

you should give feedback

trashing the forums is just ignored

[sour tundra]

feedback is ignored as well

[static rock]

yeah, like I enjoy AM builds, but not one where we hit like a wet noodle

[velvet obsidian]

We don't talk about the beginning of SL...

[static rock]

we were fine then, we starting kicking off in the second half of season 1

[velvet obsidian]

Swapping targets every other ability to keep up frenzy, fresh meat, and find viable condemn targets just to do dog water damage. Also they took our 10% haste on enrage as well. Even when our numbers went up the spec felt awful.

[sullen dove]

bro said near worst

insane string of words

[open prairie]

do delves

you can do t11s at like 620

[rancid heron]

where are my fury buffs blizzard

remove the 5 cap please god

thats all i ask

[sullen dove]

does someone have to purposefully be running logs for them to work, like ik livelog is for immediately seeing results but is there any form of passive log or is still possible that you just never get a log of a kill

[smoky vale]

do you have the logging thing

bc someone could upload them later

[sullen dove]

dont do any of dat

[smoky vale]

shii

go call ish

[sullen dove]

but if someone gotta do stuff for it then unfort

must kill vex again

[summer quail]

yeah someone has to, no guildies that just log all the time but don't live log?

[sullen dove]

idk was just a pug

[summer quail]

ahh unlikely then

[sullen dove]

dragindeez has a powerful 2 on vexie

[summer quail]

impressive

[open prairie]

idk if pugs in raid have gotten worse

or im just more jaded

[sullen dove]

nice ethical st

[open prairie]

dont look at ret breakdowns

[safe cradle]

General question for vault tomorrow if I don’t log in until 4/15 reset do I lose the vault from tomorrow

[sullen dove]

no

[safe cradle]

Perfect thank you

[sullen dove]

you can also stack multiple weeks worth of vaults and open all at once

[safe cradle]

Thanks for the insight I got my hand slapped by making a trip to overgear and was wondering if I was gonna lose all my vaults /:

[sullen dove]

[safe cradle]

Yeh

[sullen dove]

the vault fermentation will do many good things

nice week long dry age

[safe cradle]

Never taking suggestions from guildies ever again

[sullen dove]

to insta bis whatever you want the week after