fury

[young swan]

i just press roar in the middle of my charge

[dense elbow]

But, if you do, you cant hear the swoosh-swoosh-swoosh of WW as you charge

[crystal pond]

i got 1 button with avatar roar pot racial (orc) and trinket

just charge with recklessness hit 1 RB or ww and get eneugh rage for rampage and then blast the cooldowns

well i shared with you guys some ideas to make fury hella fun again, got to go work. i will check back if theres more feedback about it, good or bad xD

[next ruin]

Will start doing so, but for add fights, it's kinda always better to hold it for adds (if you need adds damage)

[dense elbow]

Adds in raid actually live long enough to get some value? Neat. OF being gutted was worth it then for gamehealth

[next ruin]

Since it does so low in ST, might aswell make the most of it

[dense elbow]

[thorny zenith]

Can someone high parsing send me logs so I can run the wowanalyzer thing on it and compare to mine, WCL isn't loading properly atm

[sand crest]

you do not want to listen to wowanalyzer xD

[fallen sedge]

A devestation evoker just left mid giga-pull since I wasn't pulling enough dps like I can't do anything about being target capped 😭 im so tempted to reroll to a class that is actually good at m+ 😭

[thorny zenith]

You don't? Odd, I was told it was extremely helpful, that's a shame lol

[sand crest]

wowanalyzer will tell you its bad if you spam rb after bladestorm because ur overcapped on rage

:/

[dense elbow]

Wait, isnt WoWanalyzer being tinkered on and upkept atm?

[thorny zenith]

Fuck i literally did that last night because it told me I had rage issues

[next ruin]

Wowanalyzer works well

[sand crest]

you will get better info checking a high ranking fury parse on a specific fight and look at casts > timeline

[thorny zenith]

Got it ty

[sand crest]

that way you can also see when and if the player holds cds for specific timings such as add spawns

thats one other thing wowanalyzer wont do well, if you hold cds for adds or a burn phase wowanalyzer will tell u u did bad because you wasted a cast of something

when on the actual fight holding was potentially correct

[thorny zenith]

That's what was confusing to me. Kept telling me I did something wrong on Cauldron bc I waited <10sec after bladestorm cd due to incoming clash

[young swan]

not really

[dense elbow]

[sour frigate]

okay i load in on my warrior

[dense elbow]

I would've accepted you

[proven hornet]

hi, do you guys know if bloodmallet is using 5 min sims for 5 targets?

[dense elbow]

https://bloodmallet.com/faq

[eternal oyster]

is Best-in-slots going to be a dps loss if my stat weights are off? ive had bad luck with getting good gear, so ive got way to much haste and not nearly enough mastery, so BiS is just giving me even more haste when im pretty sure 22k its just dead weight as is

[hardy bluff]

sim it?

[eternal oyster]

i did but sim doesnt take into account on use abilities very well

or at all

[hardy bluff]

it does

post your sim if you want someone to look over it

[eternal oyster]

im trying to figure out why my dps is so low atm. 661 ilvl and on single target im pushing 1.6/1.7m sustaining

[proven hornet]

slayer or mt?

[eternal oyster]

slayer for single target

[proven hornet]

damn those numbers are low

[eternal oyster]

very, i know my stats are fucked with to much haste and not enough mastery so I figured it would make a negative impact but by this much is a bit rough

[proven hornet]

u can cheat some mastery with cirle

circle*

[eternal oyster]

Cyrce's ring? yeah I am

[indigo arch]

Trying to decide which dungeons I stay fury for, any ideas?

[proven hornet]

im doing all in fury now

[indigo arch]

Workshop seems obvious but then there's the pull before first boss

[proven hornet]

it is playable and you have high prio dmg

[indigo arch]

fury also seems ok in darkflame

[oblique trail]

These numbers are unreasonably low for that ilvl regardless of your stats

[proven hornet]

rookery is fine becasuse adds on the last floor are just foder and most fights are 3 real adds and 10 useless trash mobs

[eternal oyster]

have a suggestion?

[proven hornet]

post sim vulkan pls

[oblique trail]

Send the sim where you're getting 1.6 million

The only way this sounds right is if you sim without any buffs at all

[eternal oyster]

those numbers are me at a training dummy slapping it

ill run a quick sim

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vi5vFYb3ZwaPD4QUfdQQWm

[proven hornet]

you are super fine 2.35 on 660 is great

[oblique trail]

At a glance I don't see what's wrong with your stats at all

[tulip rivet]

Anyone know if fury is getting any buffs anytime soon?

[eternal oyster]

22k haste to 14k mastery is not where I wanna be.

[oblique trail]

If you want a more closely 1:1 comparison, then sim a target dummy sim and compare your results with it

[proven hornet]

@eternal oyster just swap ring with 5k haste

[oblique trail]

What's wrong with this stat distribution

[tulip rivet]

What percent is your haste/mastery/crit %

[proven hornet]

also on single target haste is pretty decent

[eternal oyster]

the trick is actually getting the item

[tulip rivet]

I’m 34% haste 49% mastery 13% crit

[eternal oyster]

to much haste, not enough mastery

[oblique trail]

And how do you arrive to this being wrong

[eternal oyster]

looking at top fury warriors and what they are running, compared to me.

[hollow leaf]

that's feelycrafting

[oblique trail]

Please do not compare yourself to other people and their stats

Follow top gear sims for your specific character and use what it recommends

I can tell you, your stats are more than fine

[tulip rivet]

Ultimately the best thing you can do is specifically farm the keys that drop the gear you need

Haste mastery gear

[oblique trail]

You also have house of cards, which more than makes up for any mastery "needs" you think you have

[hollow leaf]

sounds like his issue is with rotation, not gear

[eternal oyster]

Banezi, idk if you are aware but you are coming off very rude

[hollow leaf]

which means we need a log to see what he's pressing

[oblique trail]

?

[eternal oyster]

Language tone has effects

[oblique trail]

My point still stands

[hollow leaf]

Well I'm sure he doesn't mean to but he is correct, you shouldn't compare your stats to others because what their character want depend on what gear they have

You have different gear, meaning grabbing something because it looks like it has "better" stats might not be better

[tulip rivet]

To be fair a lot of it also does come down to your rotation too

[eternal oyster]

im not sure if he means to, but its why I was letting him know

[tulip rivet]

I can out dps warriors with higher ilvl than me in raid most of the time

[eternal oyster]

its also a good basis to look at where I should ideally be

its not the end all be all but stat weights have soft and hard caps, and to much of even a best stat is a bad thing

[hollow leaf]

You're overthinking it

[oblique trail]

Right and top gear accounts for this

It's not just giving you a result with no merit tied to it

[proven hornet]

i think he would still benefit from changing ring to 4k+ mastery, @eternal oyster just run droptimizer for raid and dungeons

[oblique trail]

Sometimes a stat is in fact better to go over said diminishing returns over other stats, simply because of how good it is with your given context

[hollow leaf]

He wouldn't if his sim doesn't tell him to do it

[eternal oyster]

before someone tells me again to just go get a new item. I am aware I can swap gear around, but ive been running the raid and keys since week one. last night was the first time ive gotten any loot from raid, and I have had terrible luck in keys with gear drops and worse luck from vault. So swapping gear while it is currently my goal, depends on my luck no matter how hard I grind.

[radiant plank]

damn hc lock, hc hoc and hc bis just for you in one night and a normal go pack

[eternal oyster]

Normal pack I got from a box. Last night I managed to get heroic Best in slots, and heroic deck. That is the only loot ive gotten from running the actual raid

usually just get out rolled

also running droptimizer, anything that has more mastery than I have now has been a dps increase. so yeah, ive got to much haste and not enough mastery. so much so its suggesting I take items that have crit and mastery over haste and mastery

Thank you all for the input and advice

Droptimizer does confirm what I was thinking however

[pallid storm]

Just spam motherlode and grab the ring from there. That one has main mastery.

[indigo arch]

theater has a big mastery ring also

[eternal oyster]

yeah thats the plan

[pallid storm]

Then you can also put 2 gems on your ring to help get mastery up.

And 1 more on neck.

[indigo arch]

There's also a delve ring with big mastery, uncles endowment or something

but hardlocked hero track

[heavy nacelle]

man I feel like I'm trolling my group in 12s with low overall dps -,-

[eternal sundial]

then do more dam

[tepid cedar]

Verse and haste are like that currently

[dense elbow]

Check boss damage, and prio target damage. You should be leading there and this is where you pull your weight.

Often you will see you doing 2-3m DPS, while, say a Ret would do 1-2m a BM would do 1.5-2.5m and so on. This ignoring bosses we truely shine, like the robot in Motherlode or last boss in Rookery.

Overall DPS of others will be higher if you kill bosses faster, you are boosting their DPS by filling their weakness. Weirdly, doing so makes you comparably look less or weaker than you are if you ignore the context of the data.

That said, yeah, it feels bad always being behind on overall and, even more so, on the giga AoE pulls. That is the curse of the Fury Flat damage profile with no burst AoE tied to it anymore.

[heavy nacelle]

yeah I do well on bosses, but it doesn't feel like it makes up for everything else 🙂

[dense elbow]

Just got to look at how big the difference is, and you kinda just got to twist your mind to accept that overall DPS isnt the same as performance in a key.

Seemingly, more and more ppl seem to accept this. There are plenty of classes that do giga AoE and bosses got to die, so even PuGers invite myself and you for no other reason to cower the need for ST dam.

As I been told, 'I know your DPS look bad, but damn do bringing a Fury make the key completion easier'. Just kind words, copium or a pinch of truth? I chose to take it at face value.

[eternal sundial]

first of all

what dam are u doin

cuz there is a diff between tuning gapped and no hands

[quiet breach]

does it get easier to do ur +12s and +13s for 3k io achiev the later it gets in the season or harder cuz less and less good players are doing 12s and 13s in pug?

[heavy nacelle]

this was rookery 12

[eternal sundial]

that is like not hard gapped no?

[dense elbow]

That ret got to step it up.

[eternal sundial]

completely okayge

[dense elbow]

Nah, that Ret is being beat by a MM

that is troll tier

[eternal sundial]

still think u can do more tho

[hardy bluff]

mm is pure slotmachine

[eternal sundial]

fury is good in that key

[dense elbow]

Probably, sure - but

That ret is... low

real low

[echo rapids]

Isn’t MM capable of going ham on the big pulls?

[eternal sundial]

none of those 3 specs should be below 3 mil in a clean run tho

[dense elbow]

That got to be a ToP, no?

[heavy nacelle]

MM seems to have slightly higher dps than Ret according to mythicstats

[eternal sundial]

he said rookery

[heavy nacelle]

rookery yea

[dense elbow]

A Pwarr with less than 2m in rookery?

[heavy nacelle]

my best overall for that dungeon was like 3.4M but that was below 12 with affix bonuses

[eternal sundial]

affixes arent thaaat big tho

[dense elbow]

Hm, I smella scuffed run

[heavy nacelle]

i'm new to 12s so I'm not sure how much worse dps gets in higher keys 😛

[eternal sundial]

not 1 mil overall

[heavy nacelle]

we timed it though, about 3 minutes left

[sour frigate]

mm is big

[eternal sundial]

DPS gets higher as you have to pull more unhinged to be within timer

so you have more double pulls n stuff

[dense elbow]

You are big

[sour frigate]

[heavy nacelle]

yeah we werent pulling big at all, but that should be beneficial for Fury Vs. others 😛

[dense elbow]

Ye, I looking at the route you did now

ye, it makes sense MM on top when you pull 1 pack at a time, and skip the double ups

[sour frigate]

mm and ret can do > fury even at 5 targets range

[eternal sundial]

[sour frigate]

not to speak mm is capped at 5 too

[eternal sundial]

MM only despises 2

[sour frigate]

yepp

1-2 is weakge

[dense elbow]

Just spec for 2 target cleave, noobs

[sour frigate]

[eternal sundial]

me when i only get trickshot from volley

[dense elbow]

Fury supreme

[sour frigate]

vollet into blowing 2 explosives with 1 aimed

[eternal sundial]

[dense elbow]

Also, ego boost yourself, show last boss dam

[eternal sundial]

LOCK AND LOAD PROC

RAAAHHHH

BABABABABABABBABABAAMMMM

[sour frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/nuke-gif-8044239

[sour frigate]

the other fury tried to speak im not aware how to play fury at all

[heavy nacelle]

nothing special :p this whole run just felt flaccid

[dense elbow]

Look at those boosted noobs

warrior carry ez clap

[sour frigate]

[heavy nacelle]

I feel like I need shammy and monk buffs 😄

to do nice dmg

[sour frigate]

[dense elbow]

All fun and games till the monk out DPS you

stupid sexy monks

[dense elbow]

Why would you throw a guildie under the buss btw? Smh
You supposed to be better than that

[sour frigate]

cuz he talks too much

need to learn hard way

[dense elbow]

I would just link him his own logs, but each to their own

[sour frigate]

He doesnt know what re logs xd

[iron portal]

your only saving grace is that you did hide his name

But tbh not that hard to find anyway

[whole yacht]

Then you are doing something wrong 😦

[heavy nacelle]

does Fury even have the capacity to be played incorrectly? 🙂

[whole yacht]

I mean. What's your ilvl?

[heavy nacelle]

665

[whole yacht]

Then yes apparently

It wasn't originally a hit to you. Just a "hey something may not be right if that's how you feel". I do over 3m regularly without those buffs at 662

[heavy nacelle]

I think that's not comparable with different runs and pulls

my raid logs are not bad

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/ravencrest/putkhor?difficulty=4

I'm more just annoyed by Fury overall dps, not really looking for what I might be doing wrong 😛

[modest condor]

i mean your dps do be a bit low even for a fury warrior

[whole yacht]

Different groups. Different dungeons. I do over 3m in nearly all of them. Only going below if I die. Or if the tank is slow af

[modest condor]

at this point then only dungeons where i dont comfortably do 3mil+ are workshop and top

[hollow elk]

i have to die alot to go under 3million and im not considered a great player heh

[heavy nacelle]

well like I said, I did 3.4M once in Rookery with bigger pulls and more buffs, that's why you can't just compare like that

[modest condor]

3.4mil sounds good yeah

[dense elbow]

Didnt we already go over the point of the weird pulls prob being the reason of the scuffed DPS from all the players?

[heavy nacelle]

yep

[dense elbow]

[hollow elk]

well all of it matters yes

[modest condor]

idk i didnt read the whole conversation just the last bit

[hollow elk]

fury gets worse as the pulls get bigger. arms has less of a problem with this since they got more cleave but their boss dmg is ugh

honestly feel like im force padding when i play arms lol

[dense elbow]

Bigger pulls do usually mean your team push more efficent DPS, making the dung shorter, as such your DPS even if lower compared to them - still higher

[heavy nacelle]

we shouldnt even be looking at the actual numbers there, just the difference between all 3 dps

[dense elbow]

Should we tho, Ret is trash tier

[hollow elk]

overall normalizes by the end of the dungeon i might not end as first place in a 12 or higher but my dmg ends up comparable with the rest

[heavy nacelle]

I mean looking at Noxiv's VODs he seems to be always last by a decent amount, kind of like I was there

[dense elbow]

This is known

Yeah, but we already talked about the difference of where and how the damage affects the run

Overall values = / = performance

If you aint dooming about Fury AoE burst being low, and OF and BS being bad - you are not allowed to doom

[heavy nacelle]

what about SMF

[hollow elk]

what about smf

[heavy nacelle]

is that allowed 😛

[slim coral]

no

[hollow elk]

its there. you want to suck even harder youre welcome to it

[heavy nacelle]

😄

[dense elbow]

🗡️ 🗡️ DAGGER WARRIOR 🗡️ 🗡️

[hollow elk]

fist weapon fury

gotta get dual mugzees

heh..

[dense elbow]

In DF you could get a 1hander that did more DPS than the 2h Legendary (on one boss, in one dungeon) SMF BiS!!!!

[chilly plume]

Is there any reason to play Fury over Arms in M+

[wise solar]

Fury is more fun, but nothing else

[fickle cedar]

fun

[vapid mulch]

for Stix do u think i should sim hectic add cleave or just 8 targ 90sec?

[bitter palm]

st 5min

and apply critical thinking for trinkets

[compact knot]

arms has pretty good boss damage

so idk what this means

[hollow elk]

Shrug you're free to believe whatever you want to lol

[compact knot]

idk man i do like 2m every boss then switch to my unholy and do 1.4m

unholy very reliant on lusting bosses though

like every super meta m+ spec right now doesnt do great boss damage

[potent thicket]

cuz in m+ is how fast how much dmg you can do aoe right?

idk ive done more with fury, than arms, and arms has over 45% crit

where with fury i only have 35% mastery

[bitter palm]

people just assume arms has bad st cause it had bad st for quite some time

[compact knot]

its actually crazy good st in m+ when you compare it to the other specs in m+

[bitter palm]

even thouhg legit every dps in the current "meta" comp

has mad st

bad*

[compact knot]

^^^^

[bitter palm]

shows that it doesnt matter

[compact knot]

unholy sucks at st, balance is shit, fire is mid, ele is mid

ret is pretty good i think

[bitter palm]

ye ret is pretty good but

idk

[potent thicket]

hunter!

[compact knot]

its also not the top meta

[bitter palm]

apparently its popular but i havent seen many ngl

nowhere near uhdk fire mage level

[compact knot]

its 14% of the m+ pop rn

[bitter palm]

most of the ret playerbase is gamer dads who do 10s tho

or not even 10s

[sour frigate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1355255285534429285/ret1.gif

[bitter palm]

like bm hunter

[sour frigate]

mm hunter is the way

[compact knot]

i play with a pretty good one and he doesnt beat me overall but does a little more boss damage

[sour frigate]

basically better fury now

[bitter palm]

arms uhdk assa rogue

is very real

atm

but not a lot of people are pushing rn so cant really know

[compact knot]

assass is hidden gross

[bitter palm]

all 3 rogue specs are good

but assa is the best and easiest

no point playing sub

[sour frigate]

sub is great wdym

[bitter palm]

assa is better

why would u play sub

when u can play assa

[sour frigate]

cuz in keys where packs dont live 30+ seconds sub owns

[compact knot]

assass does a lot of damage at the end of the pull

[topaz flax]

I have a noob question....do I need to be able to see bloodthirst on my bar like at all?
Im pressing it almost every time its up right?

[sour frigate]

funny thing i had 2 subs respecing to assa to "do details" and they boss sucked ass

cuz they went to a key with ret and ww xd

[bitter palm]

ye assa st is bad

[sour frigate]

its not the point

[compact knot]

there are 2 assass builds

[sour frigate]

packs didnt live a moment to make assa deal a damage

[compact knot]

full aoe pad, and a funnel build thats better at st

[sour frigate]

Aoe u mean sudden death route?

That thing is awful to play

Or sudden demise

[compact knot]

idk my guildie assass rogue picks between either depending on who in the guild he is playing with, sometimes he does hella overall and the other times he does very good boss damage

idk what the talents do but he has one tricked assass for years now

[bitter palm]

which isnt an issue once u go high

[sour frigate]

[next ruin]

MM hunter SLAPS

esp with mistweaver and a gamer warrior

[sour frigate]

12th floodgate gaming incident occured

[potent thicket]

nice

darkranger or sentinel?

[sour frigate]

Senti

[next ruin]

just did fg 13, ended up at 3M with a all physical comp (got trolled last boss...) this is our season

[sly bobcat]

Should be closer to 5m

[next ruin]

looking at the group overall dps, it's impossible for him to be at 5m

[sly bobcat]

Yea prob

[sour frigate]

I did like 4.5 in cb

[quiet breach]

does it get easier to do ur +12s and +13s for 3k io achiev the later it gets in the season because of better gear and more experience or harder cuz less and less good players are doing 12s and 13s in pug?

[sour frigate]

Its not hard even now

665 is over gear for 12s

[quiet breach]

that's not the question I asked, I'm asking if it gets easier or harder

[sour frigate]

[next ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/psychic-im-crystal-ball-gif-14786005

[heavy nacelle]

should be easier because of gear, it's not like all the good players will get tehre sooner

[sour frigate]

Good players not stuck on 12s for the first place

[heavy nacelle]

maybe theyre playing alts, maybe they started later

[quiet breach]

ty

[heavy nacelle]

in DF S2 I started super late, less than 2 months away from season ending and I pugged quickly to over 3k

had tons of sparks to craft good gear

and yeah players in 20+ keys felt good 🙂

[quiet breach]

ok cool, I have only attempted one 12 this season, but I am not really an m+ focused player but I do wanna get the achiev eventually

[heavy nacelle]

when many people are over 670 it shouldn't be hard at all

I was worried dps warriors wouldnt be invited to pugs but even that turned out to be no issue surprisingly 😛

just gotta make sure to keep up with the ilvl!

get all 3 slots every week 🙂

[somber elk]

I cant get any invites to keys 14+

[heavy nacelle]

Oh yeah Im sure it dries up eventually for non meta specs but I expected problems wat sooner 😋

Way*

[edgy oasis]

Random one then: Mister lock n Stock. ST and MT version. Should i be swaping on Mythic Sticks Bunkjunker? Which is actually strong? Can i just keep it on MT and it not be a major loss?

[next ruin]

you probably should use it in ST mode or play another trinket

[loud citrus]

hey all,

just a quick one. can i wear two same crafted two hand weapons?

[next ruin]

yes

[potent thicket]

hayaaaaa i follow the ST Slayer rotation gguide but my parse is bad ;-; any tips?

[fading sky]

Follow it better

But for real if u are, my only guess is uptime

[dense elbow]

Go into your logs, and double check your ability usage and keep an eye out for gaps in ability usage (you not pressing a button).

You can do a 5m 1t sim, and then go and do a 5m 1t round on the dummy in dornegal. It should give you a pretty good feel if you are playing it correctly (and is just good practise in general)

[next ruin]

use charge / leap more often, cooldowns on cooldown, read what the talent frenzy does and keep it up

[modest talon]

hey guys

[whole yacht]

yeah

[modest talon]

in fury, when you BT* 😛

when you have 5 stacks or when it can crit?

[potent thicket]

on thane? whenever you have it available

[lavish pond]

guys im checking my logs but i dont see any tab "parses" but only "points" , is it the same? im talking about m+

[tepid cedar]

theres a big probelm in NA. lol. u got guys at 3300 io. mainly boomies vdhs and UK that are absolutely dogwater. but they do so much dpos and get into so many keys that these dudes are pushing IO solely on the class lol. the amount of tanks trying to do 16s that are pulling packs as slow as old ppl fuck and dying on big pulls is insane lolol

[modest talon]

that is super helpful as well, and apologies i didnt clarify, im asking regarding Slayer ST

[flat river]

i got 3k 😎

[next ruin]

For an easy answer, look at the guide on wowhead or on warbreaker

[willow cradle]

gratz\

[next ruin]

Gg, just got it today too, timing a ml14

[clever escarp]

GZ

I got the all 14´s I told ya

[flat river]

big

[flat river]

LETS GOO

[clever escarp]

got my weekend goal

[flat river]

weekend goal lmao

xd

[clever escarp]

yea now working again

see how much ranks I will drop

[next ruin]

We're coming for you

[whole yacht]

disappointed in my damage

[quiet breach]

I thought u needed 4 timed 13s for 3k?

[flat river]

or good time

[golden badge]

welp I had my hopes up

[potent thicket]

just immagine if they remove the cap on fury

[sullen dove]

imagining doing tank dps on single target

[warm crag]

imagining

let fans design games!

[sullen dove]

yea i mean... even tho 100 reasons you dont not like the company doing much designing themselves

titans torment very powerful redesign

surely this talent point is used by anyone in the game

[red berry]

i mourn it

[warm crag]

i dont

die signet die

[red berry]

doit.

[sullen dove]

signet been dead

[red berry]

harrowing

[clever belfry]

sPAIN

[red berry]

nice

[daring juniper]

eyo guys got a quick question when do you guys/girls switch "Deft Experience" vs "Unbridled Ferocity" and "Critical Thinking" i marked them red xD

[clever belfry]

never UF

[sullen dove]

unbridled literally never

[clever belfry]

peepee talent

[sullen dove]

and deft better than ct i think

idk if you take both tho

dont pay attention to that

psure u dont

[daring juniper]

some guys on bandit take UF

[gleaming siren]

I am not gonna pick CT over Deft

even if it sims slightly better

the peace of mind of getting my Enrage extended >>>

[whole yacht]

whats the best way to gear alts this season? im just now starting an alt

[sullen dove]

boosted thru keys

[whole yacht]

okay whats the best way if you dont have friends

[sullen dove]

4 delves a week

elegiggle

[smoky vale]

real

[whole yacht]

-.-

[smoky vale]

or you go tank healer

[whole yacht]

okay whats the best way to do it today. not wait till tuesday reset every week

[plush zephyr]

Discords like Drunk N Disorderly or Casual Friday

[sullen dove]

idk soloq low m+ xd

not that many options

m+ or raid

[whole yacht]

no gear i could buy to get to like 630?

[smoky vale]

no

only to 584

[whole yacht]

unlucky

[warm crag]

im not doing this

[smoky vale]

could go questing in new zone

[sullen dove]

theres def gear higher than 584 on ah lmao

but itsl ike 600 somethin i thnk

[smoky vale]

true

[whole yacht]

i didnt even do that on my main

[smoky vale]

hi key soon 🙂

(i lost power so im twiddling my thumbs outside)

[clever belfry]

nice country

(idk where ure from)

[silk wharf]

Assuming a fresh alt, no woe gear, no friend carries. You collect weathered crests, renown bonuses great here, skip to 630, Delves, m+

[whole yacht]

thank you raggu.

a real answer

10/10 response.

[sour frigate]

weeklies + delves

free loots

[whole yacht]

mm i forgot about the timewalknig weekly

free normal piece.

[sour frigate]

balls

[sudden timber]

Don't forget ur ring from the island. Even the 640 something one is a nice starter. And get to 606 to queue for LFR

[smoky vale]

usa

[clever belfry]

3rd world

wcyd

[smoky vale]

nothing

[sullen dove]

why is pulchra dogmeat to play

[clever belfry]

wdym

u just parry (evasive assist) into her

and swap out?

[sullen dove]

i think its the combo of her and lucy

im forced to use with anby

that is 7

[clever belfry]

u just put sanby pulchra lucy

or the auto QAs are gonna be turbo F

[sullen dove]

ya i do that but problem is lucy buffs last like .2 femtoseconds

and pulchra does that astra-esque thing where after she skills she swaps to anby instead of lucy

[clever belfry]

? wdym lucy buff lasts short

[sullen dove]

so cant refresh lucy buff without swapping thru pulchra and insta losing teh fangs

[clever belfry]

bro just press c?

backswap ?

[sullen dove]

what

[clever belfry]

theres no way

u dont know u can backswap

[sullen dove]

oh nawl

[sudden tusk]

swordish

switchsmish

cmonfish

[clever belfry]

bro probably cant 60k DA

[sullen dove]

on 1 round or total

[sudden tusk]

@fleet sorrel shame this man

[sullen dove]

got 8 stars and miyabi got like 30k

but ye anby team roughatm

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/zenless-zone-zero-zzz-pulchra-pulchra-felini-blushed-gif-12565541492130222216

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/zenless-zone-zero-zzz-belle-alleyway-gif-3239349112686033801

[sudden tusk]

cant you play zenless as an auto battler

[sullen dove]

no

[sudden tusk]

thats the only thing i was interested in it

[sullen dove]

das hsr

[sudden tusk]

or was that

the other

[sullen dove]

the mid one i dont wanna play cuz my wife is unvoiced

[sudden tusk]

who wife

[sullen dove]

well several

but fireflussy

[sudden tusk]

isnt she a robot

or the mc or something

[sullen dove]

uh no robot

she pilots an eva

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/hsr-honkai-honkai-star-rail-star-rail-firefly-gif-3765619312346731013

[sullen dove]

om nom nom

[sudden tusk]

why no voice then

[sullen dove]

voice actor stuff

[sudden tusk]

or is she canonically mute or something

[sullen dove]

strikes and all that

classic

[sudden tusk]

i funnily enough watched a video about that this morning

apparently its all social pressure and the VAs arent breaking any union rules

[clever belfry]

yes the rizzler VA video

[sullen dove]

yea idk the honkai va similarities vs genshin

[sudden tusk]

so they just all decided to stop doing it for various reasons and want hoyo to sign a union contract

[clever belfry]

first useful video on it

👍

[sullen dove]

rizz

im sure amphoreus story would be cool but uh... havent played more than like 30 minutes of it

like all the old characters are mute i think

just the new ones speak

[sudden tusk]

yeah i havet touched a single gatcha sense genchin

[sullen dove]

zzz stay winning tho

[sudden tusk]

got to like lvl 40 or whaterver on release then just fell off em

[sullen dove]

ya i mean release genshin had to ahve been the most boring thing on the planet

i started playin like a yr after release when inazuma came out

[clever belfry]

dont play gachas 👍

[forest owl]

how much better is arms vs fury in keys, like is it miles ahead or just a bit, whats the story.

[clever belfry]

(i paly 2 every day)

[sullen dove]

westerners made poor

[clever belfry]

reminder i got chat restricted in wow for having that pasta as my food weakaura

[sullen dove]

arms generally better + more aoe but fury live a lil nicer and still okish damage, and like noxiv still playin it in like 17s or whatever tf its good enough

[sudden tusk]

release genshin was farming crates daily for like +15 adventure rating while waiting for new content

[clever belfry]

real kings just refresh for axp

[sudden tusk]

that and i realized to make my characters good i would have to spend crazy money

[clever belfry]

(i didnt play until right before sumeru)

[sudden tusk]

also the resin system was dogshit

[sullen dove]

was

[sudden tusk]

damn

[sullen dove]

dude why in gods name does gensh not have resin overfill like the other 2 games

[forest owl]

i see, i main fury, i like it more, i play it better as i've barely ever touched arms, so if the difference isnt a world apart i dont think its worth me playing unless i play it to the same quality as i do fury.

[sullen dove]

actually absurd you can take a break and have a bank of 2400 extra in each

[sudden tusk]

even lost ark had overfill on release

[sullen dove]

but gensh its still like 240 cap perma

[sudden tusk]

even if you technically lost some of it

[clever belfry]

i mean atleast it has

200 cap now

[sullen dove]

o right 200 lol

other games are 240/300

chatting

[clever belfry]

and u regen 180 a day

[sullen dove]

quite large

[clever belfry]

well zzz regens 0->240 faster

than genshin 0->200

[sudden tusk]

idk i did like 3 dungeons didnt get the drop i wanted then would have to run around farming grandmas earings off lvl 40 green mobs

[clever belfry]

cause its 6min per

[sudden tusk]

no thanks

[sullen dove]

u gain overfill in hsr and zzz at like a third the rate of regular not like its super helpful in small spats

but like when i dont play honkai for a month cuz it sucks

can log back on to a nice lil bank for whatever i wanna do

genshin not the same

[sullen dove]

say hyello to grandmama

ice em

[sudden tusk]

nyahello

[sullen dove]

backswap must be tested immediately tho...

this is insane lore

dont think ive read 1 thing in this game taht says u can do that

u can like pick who to swap to in stun windows so maybe u were just meant to infer but like ive rly never jsut randomly hit the c button while playing game

[clever belfry]

noob

[sullen dove]

detonate

[sudden tusk]

then you better c whats up

[sullen dove]

i do think lucy is like 8x inferior to soukaku and astra

not comparing buffs but like uptime and activation

[clever belfry]

depends

[sullen dove]

lucys shit is so short and takes so long to wind up

soukaku takes a lil bit too but at least she lasts like 30 seconds

it seems u have to like pause a sec

if you hit space then c back to back you still go down the line not backwards gotta wait like a second after the space then u go back

prolly makes sense

this typhoon destroyer is def like the worst boss they've ever made tho

[next ruin]

i think i'm onto something...

[clever belfry]

u can not swap to characters doing animations

[sullen dove]

yer they like still leaving or somethin

[young bobcat]

yo, what's the best talent build for m+?

[red berry]

this is a workshop 14. i am so close to 3 mil. yet swo far

[modest condor]

with that dps it must have been an easy 2chest

[plush zephyr]

Brews damage is nuts

[warm crag]

you dont really cancel bladestorm outside of single target at that point

[compact siren]

damn

[oblique trail]

I will condemn you

[modest condor]

[warm crag]

?

[gleaming siren]

Verified streamer exposing himself

[next ruin]

i like the set up from warbreaker, i switched fast footwork for thunderclap's increased slow tho

[sour frigate]

not yet

need one more up +5% up

bdk and prot do nuts

[manic gulch]

some advice please

myth helmet vs hero house of cards

[next ruin]

myth helmet

[warm crag]

easier to link the simb ut ye just upgrade helmet

[manic gulch]

i have a lot of mastery currently which is why house is simming lower

but the chances of getting another myth helmet from vault are big

while getting the trinket are not

[clever belfry]

ok and

[manic gulch]

maybe i never get it again

so i'm thinking if for long term gains is better to get the trinket ?

[clever belfry]

its also not crazy op wow insane 69696969

fury is too flat of a profile for it to really matter

[warm crag]

just take the helmet

[next ruin]

take helmet

[quiet breach]

which mythic boss drops helm tier

[warm crag]

join a guild with lootcouncil and get the trinket councelled

[quiet breach]

well ig u can just catalyst

[manic gulch]

i can convert with catalyst

[warm crag]

first drops catalyzable

[manic gulch]

i'm already in one but i'm not a priority

for the trinket

[warm crag]

you should be

you are a 90s class

only competing with rogues and ww p much

[manic gulch]

and unholy

and the unholy will get it

[warm crag]

sucks to suck

[clever belfry]

yeah cause their cds

actually do smth

[quiet breach]

I have normal house of cards and its already simming worse then my 662 lockenstalk and seaforium

[clever belfry]

compared to flatliners

[quiet breach]

in ST

[warm crag]

662 is an evil ilvl for a trinket to be at

[quiet breach]

I could max it out right now

tbh I was gonna before raid

[warm crag]

im dming your raidlead that ur trolling

[quiet breach]

tbh eye of kezan is not that insane either

only hero track I might take over a myth track is jasper diamond

from vault

[clever belfry]

eye is eye

good when its good

bad when its bad

[warm crag]

u are equipping eye if u have it for mythic

[clever belfry]

🤷‍♂️

[manic gulch]

yeah for progress eye is good

fight gonna last longer because of the fiestas

[quiet breach]

yeah but its not like its, massively better than the trinkets I have

meanwhile most myth track pieces I get would be massive upgrades

[clever belfry]

on the later (7min+) bosses it will be

[warm crag]

should be over a hc track lock and stalk

[clever belfry]

sizably better

[warm crag]

and you reduce gearing pressure on your guild shrug

[manic gulch]

il take head

thanks chat

[warm crag]

[flat river]

ill also take head

[manic gulch]

wtf

the chef is still here

[flat river]

always

[manic gulch]

[flat river]

chef never leaves the kitchen

he will burn down with it

[manic gulch]

even if xan boolis ?

[clever belfry]

gio = gala

[flat river]

bruh

we jsut friends

xD

[clever belfry]

not making a good defense here buddy

[flat river]

just syaing it how it is

[warm crag]

@solemn plover @fickle bluff combine your powers to mind beam galastronk into telling the truth

[solemn plover]

he cant take my weakest beam

[clever belfry]

i do not make the truth, i just uncover it

[flat river]

im a muslim

muslims dont lie >:(

[solemn plover]

LMAO

[grand verge]

Hey got one question:
if I use bt on a target below 35% hp will the cleave hit surrounding targets with its increased damage from VC even if they are above 35% hp?

[solemn plover]

thats a cook

he truly is a chef

[modest condor]

no

it calculates individually

[clever belfry]

what if i told u

kill cleave with their exe talent doesnt work like that

h*nters

[fickle bluff]

❗

[modest condor]

more proof that blizzard hates warriors

[clever belfry]

❓

[flat river]

i like how this is fury chat but someone could come here asking about monk healer talents and we would still help him

[vague sierra]

warrior

[clever belfry]

think this one is just incompetence

honestly

[warm crag]

⚠️

[grand verge]

So the other way arround works? And u don’t need to target swap

[vague sierra]

That's just cuz they're all playing other classes cuz fury sucks LOL

[junior gale]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-planet-let-our-powers-combine-gif-9613892994747567312

[fickle bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/professor-x-xavier-x-men-telepathy-gif-12745110

[modest condor]

if an off-target is below 35% they take the increased damage yes

[junior gale]

the spongies combining to defeat Gala

[tepid cedar]

genral chat NEVER seizes to amaze me

lok at this shiot

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/ohhh-duh-why-didnt-i-think-of-that-gif-21849807

[tepid cedar]

ill be dammed.. THATS ALL I HAVE TO DO, we have all been doing it wrong!

[quiet breach]

he's trolling

[tepid cedar]

lol, i wish he was

lolol

[velvet obsidian]

Gotta switch targets to reset the frenzy buff. If your haste gets too high you might get carpal tunnel from pressing your buttons too fast.

[tepid cedar]

lol he also said he dosnt lose frenzy buf 😂

[next ruin]

this is actually comical

[tepid cedar]

tough tough times for us fury

[next ruin]

this is cinderbrew btw

the cast average is lower than bloodthirst

[manic gulch]

odyn's is a viable talent ?

[junior gale]

if thats what you got out of odyns doing less than ravager

[manic gulch]

but they are running it

[junior gale]

ok?

[next ruin]

I am a chronicle overcooker

[flat river]

odyns deals less dmg than 1 cast of raging blow

[manic gulch]

[next ruin]

The cast average of thunderclap was higher

🙂

[remote bobcat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1179738834808881212/1204229772851417088/IMG_1114.gif

[smoky vale]

@clever belfry hi lord andussy does dungeon difficulty change cooldown of mob casts or just the abilities they cast

like normal hc mythic

[sour frigate]

why the fuck

priory is so hard

[red berry]

priory really does fucking suck

[sour frigate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/914122521857650720/1358594399369691207/3453245342.gif

[tepid cedar]

we dont top the charts but by god im topping this one!!!!

[feral ivy]

damn lets go

TOP?

[tepid cedar]

yea 15 HW key

got a 16 ML thoughj

[quiet geyser]

thats cuz all the other classes are busy doing dam🙃

[feral ivy]

has anyone 3 timed a 10 yet.. im trying to do that and im so close but cant lol

just bored atm so im trying to give my self a goal as im off tanking m+

[tepid cedar]

lol legiot tight all run until u get to the corridor and they do 13 mil dmg

[elfin belfry]

What was the shaman doing...?

[tepid cedar]

its top. they cant shame us to bad there until corridor

[elfin belfry]

[tepid cedar]

rumor has it we are getting a 5% damage decrease and hard cap at 1 target in .5

[formal glacier]

IS it possible for my plater to put in front nameplate who need a interrupt? Cause rn when i do big pull and all those nameplate stack i can barely see some cast bar and have to fight all odds to click on it to interrupt.

[brittle snow]

Slayer any good in M+?

[tepid cedar]

doo doo

[remote bobcat]

Madwokege

[sour frigate]

its ass

[next ruin]

Just saw wowtoxic do the first pull of workshop as sin then went out and respecced Outlaw

On God I'm thinking about this for fury for workshop and cinderbrew

[remote bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-nonono-noooo-cat-no-gif-13597132752790194338

entire ipa wing is arms

tbf u can do it after ipa wing

go bee wing as fury

big_brain_think

[next ruin]

The goal is to play fury

[quiet breach]

just call it ass rogue bro

[next ruin]

Not on god's day

[tepid cedar]

playing arms legit makes it easier, and i hate having to say that,e specially if pugging

especially on certain keys and pulls

[vague sierra]

If I'm gonna go play arms, I might as well switch an entire other class that does damage tho lol

[next ruin]

I do enjoy fury more tho. Did a 14 today
Thinking about climbing this way

[remote bobcat]

why? arms is fun

[marble schooner]

went to a random ML to help a friend out and got rewarded

thanks daddy blizz

[remote bobcat]

I have those two

gigglepoint

too*

cant english

too tired

going to bedge

Bedge

[whole yacht]

why have those

when can have crafted

[quiet breach]

cuz u can craft any other slot instead and and have a socket

[remote bobcat]

crafted wep + cloak means u keep wrist socket

[whole yacht]

who need socket

[sweet palm]

I rather change to Dk or Ret pally than play Arms. Awful gameplay.

[remote bobcat]

Madge

u a hater

[marble schooner]

cause you can craft on something that cant have socket

[whole yacht]

on God

[whole yacht]

or not

[remote bobcat]

ret pally? yeah leave this server rn pink class yellow sparkle thrower

[marble schooner]

I crafted Cloak cause I believed id get socket on wrist prayge

[marble schooner]

but I did so the gambit paid off

[remote bobcat]

Amen

[marble schooner]

in retrospective I had a 100% chance of getting wrist with socket

[next ruin]

I enjoy it, but I enjoy fury more. If wowtoxic goes ASS for brew and workshop until first boss then switches to outlaw. Why wouldn't we. We're like a budget outlaw anyways

[sweet palm]

Imagine having such a bad gameplay that is more fun to be a pink spark thrower

[remote bobcat]

if you think being pink sparkle thrower is fun

then you arent very welcome here

Madge

[whole yacht]

more fun than arms

[remote bobcat]

disagree

hard disagree

[next ruin]

Blizzard takes care of pinkboy that's a fact

[sweet palm]

Oh is sure is more fun than Arms

[next ruin]

Muddboy on the other hand..

[flat river]

fury > ret > arms

[whole yacht]

true

[flat river]

fun scale

[sly crane]

true

[sweet palm]

I think lossing my arm would be more fun than playing arms

[remote bobcat]

slayer fury > thane fury > colossus arms > ret = slayer arms

imo

[flat river]

nah

slayer fury > thane fury > ret > colossus arms > slayer arms

[remote bobcat]

colossus arms is actually fun, i bet yall havent actually tried it this season

yawn

[flat river]

i did

[sly crane]

its what I've played for most of this season

[flat river]

pumped too

but i hated it

[remote bobcat]

this is a points parse

not dmg parse

[next ruin]

I did, I find colo arms to be really fun. The problem I have with the spec is that sometimes it feels bad. I enjoy the highs but I hate the lows a lot more

[remote bobcat]

Weirdge

[flat river]

i think i was 3.2

[remote bobcat]

what lows you talkin about

[flat river]

overall

[remote bobcat]

has no lows

[next ruin]

When you have everything desynced

When I demo just before avatar

[remote bobcat]

you dont like sweeping strikes ending as ravager cd comes back?

you dont like a fat cleave dealing 90 mil?

Ok

[frank dawn]

colossus single target feels kinda beans, but maybe only relative to fury

[next ruin]

Fury is a vibe

[flat river]

i'd rather watch paint dry than play arms again

[next ruin]

Colo st is actually very strong

For a m+ spec

[flat river]

fury is a very strong spec for m+

[next ruin]

Truuue

[flat river]

[remote bobcat]

idk i like colo m+ spec in p much all situations

except 2 target cleave

[flat river]

?

litterally arms is bis in 2 target

[remote bobcat]

i know

but the gameplay is shyte

cause u switch

depending on ss uptime

[wintry wharf]

Rik Reverb Mythic, ya'll popping cd's when up, or only on adds?

[remote bobcat]

Weirdge

[next ruin]

I think I will try the wowtoxic meta. Play the dumb uncapped spec for the 2 lust pulls. Then chilling

[remote bobcat]

i have a green parse on rik and idk why so i'll respectfully refrain from commenting

[next ruin]

Archi made a long post about cd usage on this fight, it was today iirc

[remote bobcat]

clueless~1

[marble schooner]

wtf is wrong with Raidbots why is it taking 2 and a half business days simming?

[next ruin]

So you buy premium

[marble schooner]

i got premium

x.X

[next ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/xrd-exrd-crypto-btc-eth-gif-23801255

[remote bobcat]

mayhaps server maintenance

[marble schooner]

Critcake's got a very good video on it

basically depends on how close are adds to spawning when you got cds back

[remote bobcat]

YEP

ok im sleeping

gnight lads

[marble schooner]

gnite warrior

[flat river]

gnite

[next ruin]

For the guy that asked about rik's timings

[edgy widget]

you can just link to messages directly, so maybe ping them instead @wintry wharf
#fury message

[formal glacier]

IS it possible for my plater to put in front nameplate who need a interrupt? Cause rn when i do big pull and all those nameplate stack i can barely see some cast bar and have to fight all odds to click on it to interrupt.

[wintry wharf]

thnx all

[pure echo]

@edgy widget Does your new bloodthirst reminder also take into account thane burst of power, or does that not matter when making rotational decisions?

[smoky vale]

2

[edgy widget]

no, Burst doesn't change the rotation

[pure echo]

ok cool, i've been playing thane wrong then lmao. Thought the buff to BT during it would be more important than RB so you don't get overwrites since that's happened to me quite a bit last season.

[next ruin]

Any reason on why warbreaker prios and yours on wowhead are different for both hero talent (although mostly thane)? Is yours the "easier" one?

[edgy widget]

idk I didn't write theirs and don't care to look at them

if I had to guess, probably because they copied the APL step for step, which is fine, but usually includes nuance that is more necessary for a robot than a human being

[edgy widget]

the likelihood of overwriting burst of power while it's active is pretty low, while the main reason you don't change your rotation for it is because you'll typically use Bloodthirst twice within the span of the buff anyway and if you're gonna buff Bloodthirst by 35%, it might as well be buffing a crit

[next ruin]

I see, it's true it's mostly down to all the conditionnals about bt and exec. Although the biggest change was thunderblast below raging blow in pure ST for thane. While yours, if I'm not mistaking, puts it on top (if enraged ofc)

[edgy widget]

If you're not using Meat Cleaver, Thunder Blast is lower priority
but there's also no currently conceivable situation in which you play Mountain Thane without Meat Cleaver

[scarlet shale]

kind of a min maxey thing but I cant figure out if its better to send rampage as soon as its up every time or if its better to make sure it has a certain number of slaughtering strikes stacks first. Obv itll have one or two at least but it stacks up to five. Im thinking 3 is kind of a sweet spot outside of lust but im not sure

[edgy widget]

neither, the actual condition is based on rage

• you don't want to send it immediately at 80 rage (unless Enrage you need to refresh Enrage or are about to use Bladestorm)
• instead you want to send it around 115+ in order to pool a little extra rage (the small delay leads to better Enrage uptime and a smoother overall rotation)
• The exception is immediately after Bladestorm, you can purposefully overcap rage while stacking Slaughtering Strikes to build a bigger Rampage alongside the Brutal Finish buff

[next ruin]

Oh, while reading their page I understood it as, only tb in ST if you have no rb.
Not it as, if you play the pure ST build, then xyz
As you said, st thane implies thane st within a m+ or stix/oab

So I can keep sending tb in pure ST over everything else pretty much? If I have meatclezver?

[edgy widget]

I understand, but that is not technically correct; with Meat Cleaver talented (which you virtually always will have), it is very slightly better to prioritize Thunder Blast

it is very slight, however, and so I really wouldn't put that much thought into it

a surprising number of these optimizations are, to the point where it really doesn't matter as long as you're just pushing buttons

[next ruin]

The only thing I liked by delaying tb, was sometimes when having downtime or mechanics to do, having a tb charge or 2 in reserve felt nice
Same for add spawns

[scarlet shale]

ok that makes a lot of sense, thanks

[edgy widget]

last time I ran it

[edgy widget]

well if you're timing things for adds then it changes the context completely, because you're not really doing a ST rotation at that point

[next ruin]

I see, thanks for the answers.
I'm at the point where I want to try to maximize my dps by any means. Even if it implies some degen rotational changes

[edgy widget]

everyone does, and they usually min/max themselves right into worse performance relying too much on shit that doesn't matter

but that's also why people make complicated weak auras to help tell them what to press, rather than trying to memorize it all themselves

[wintry wharf]

i have joined u

[edgy widget]

In this situation, ideally you want to bank 1 TB charge so that you can use Avatar to skip the cooldown
ex: Blast -> Avatar -> Blast

[next ruin]

These kind of optimizations are what I need to do to step up, there is no magical orders

[edgy widget]

because Avatar triggers 2 (max) charges, while specifically resetting the cooldown

[next ruin]

But making the most of what I have will make a change

[edgy widget]

so like on Stix for example, I'll try to bank 1 charge and then do something like
Blast -> Avatar -> Blast -> Ravager -> Roar -> Rampage -> Blast
on adds that die faster, like M One-Armed Bandit, I'll pre-place Ravager, since I'm less worried about overcapping Blast charges and more concerned with making sure it deals direct damage
Ravager -> Blast -> Avatar -> Blast -> Rampage -> Roar -> BT/RB -> Blast

[next ruin]

it's good intel to know that you can basically delay tb procs while in pure st

Last thing I wasn't sure about, it's for pressing bt in aoe. I get why it does more aoe, but do we know how much we lose on prio? Is it like a 1-2% thing or a huge difference

[edgy widget]

like a less than 1% thing

[next ruin]

Screenshotting this

[edgy widget]

that's just off the top of my head, but you get the idea

[next ruin]

Yea, so that also means that as thane in pure st, what really matters is being enraged and having close to no downtime

[edgy widget]

well that's any Fury build really

[next ruin]

I overcomplicated a lot of stuff today lol. Thanks for the answers, it will help a lot

[brittle snow]

they either need to remove SMF or change it to another talent thats useful

[sour frigate]

for example siegebreaker

[brittle snow]

I was talking to someone ingame about it cuz they were running the talent and they got all butthurt about it

saying they do fine with it

[next ruin]

Let people have fun

[edgy widget]

I'm sure they do

not everyone tries to min/max the fun out of their game lmao

[brittle snow]

fair

[floral mantle]

fury war damage in keys feels so ass

[frank dawn]

delete all hard target caps from game

shit idea

[lean heart]

mashallah finally

[willow cradle]

gj

[pearl sequoia]

junk my bunk

[sour tundra]

freshly geared 635 ilvl DKs do more damage than fully geared 667+ ilvl fury warr in keys its crazy the state of class balance right now

[crude ridge]

That was the cost for getting our ST buffed

Now we suffer in large pulls

[idle wolf]

lol popped in here to see the state of fury. 2nd last comment had my answer

https://tenor.com/view/grandpa-abe-exit-confused-bye-bart-gif-7694184

[clever path]

im hella confused

i did a sim and then did a minute dummy

not entirely sure how i parsed more than the sim

[sour frigate]

sim shows median in between 10k iterations

in practice can be lower/higher depending on procs crits etc

[clever path]

ahhh gotcha

well my BT was critting 66.7% of the time

perfect 2/3rds

[crude ridge]

Sims is always going to be the perfect scenario. You'll almost never match it.

[clever path]

i keep out dps'ing it frequently with Thane so i was curious

[fiery edge]

any dps loss between powerful and frenzied enrage?

[clever path]

its annoying to get proper parses, damn critters keep padding

[crude ridge]

Depends. Sim for the content you're trying to do and see how it pans out.

[thorny cove]

what piece we crafting on tues if we have wep+bracers? boots?

[edgy widget]

whatever you feel like you're missing; in the case that you decide you want to transition to 2x duskthread, you could always craft cloak early (even if you don't put an embellishment on it right away)

[thorny cove]

I have a 678 cloak already so unlikely I'll choose cloak

[smoky vale]

then ask the robot on the items you are missing

which gives more upgrade

🙂

[thorny cove]

true

last season I kinda geared up all at once so not used to gearing week by week again haha

crafting gear is weird it makes professions relevant again, but with the crafting orders it feels like you don't even have to do anything

[sudden tusk]

new MM actually fun as fuck

BM for raid MM for keys hell yeah

[twilit harbor]

Was it a minute sim too? Otherwise dummy being higher makes sense cause you've more CD uptime in one minute compared to five

[clever path]

that was a typo

i did a 5 minute parse and a 5 minute sim

my bad

[bitter palm]

survival for both

[sudden tusk]

: (

[fading sky]

Fury tuning is VERY good

its just overall we dont perform very well at in keys

[sullen dove]

pyre merchant

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/cas-van-da-pol-recap-cartoon-recap-cartoon-toothless-gif-14875932117437101496

[heavy nacelle]

is that priory overall?

[sullen dove]

ya

just a 10

had a wipe too so maybe woulda been bit higher

[heavy nacelle]

hopefully the shammy had much lower ilvl than the tank 😛

[sullen dove]

like 15ish

[heavy nacelle]

kk

[sullen dove]

[wheat oyster]

Struggling with maximising thane rotation for stix bunkjunker prog, do we hold any potential thunderblast charges for when ads are grouped up

[edgy widget]

bank 1 if avatar is available, bank 2 if it's not

[sour frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/nuke-gif-8044239

[earnest canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-fire-machine-gun-mad-gif-5040051

[chrome plover]

real? i wanna start gearing my hunter

dont think i wanna play sv though

[earnest canyon]

dont play SV, people automatically expect you to be ranged

[sour frigate]

Mm is legit balls try it

[earnest canyon]

but its like fury vs arms.....MM is target capped but has the highest aoe burst in the game I think

[sour frigate]

Proper fury

[earnest canyon]

the numbers are insane

[sour frigate]

[sour frigate]

Highest aoe burst are dk and ele

[earnest canyon]

oh ok

i dont really play them but have an 80 of both, just with shit gear

[chrome plover]

capped to 8 though right?

[earnest canyon]

yeah if you talent into it

[chrome plover]

or is it also 5

ah yeah

light ammo or w/e

[earnest canyon]

my BM does way way more damage in like cinderbrew

MM just feels more fun cos its like BRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrr

[chrome plover]

my unholy dk completely dumpsters the damage meter in every key, it's so ridiculous

sometimes mr beast pops for 200m damage in one go

[earnest canyon]

i wish i could get into it, i tried it again yesterday, but its just managing cds

mr beast?

abom?

[chrome plover]

blood beast

[earnest canyon]

oooooh

yeah

[chrome plover]

it's really not much management

just send dark transofrmation every 45s, then dt + unholy assault every 1.5

[earnest canyon]

i meant it more seems not very interactive

you have like 100000 cds

just press them when they come up

[chrome plover]

same as fury really

[earnest canyon]

nah i find fury way more fun lol

[chrome plover]

in m+ you only have dt and unholy assault

[earnest canyon]

maybe i cant play UH very well

[chrome plover]

dont run apocalypse or army/abom

[earnest canyon]

do u play sanlyan or whatever or rider?

[chrome plover]

sanlayn

[earnest canyon]

what are the differences? I havent really looked into the hero stuff, im still learning fury accronyms and abilities after a month or so of playing lol

kinda dumbo

[chrome plover]

idk sanlayn is just brainless 2 button spam most of hte time

which is a plus in my books

[earnest canyon]

so pop all cds and then press 2 buttons? that sounds like a win