fury

[earnest canyon]

but im sure they are scared of lack of subs once everything is maxed

[harsh barn]

That would be really cool

[earnest canyon]

at the end of the day, they really care about sub count

[harsh barn]

They would keep my sub if they buff fury 🙂

[earnest canyon]

and atm, i dont want to do more with warr or hunter, so I keep logging in and out and cant be arsed with more delves or trying mythic

[harsh barn]

I wish we pumped more to offset having 0 utility

I don't think we'll get buffed cause we're pretty good in raid

[lavish pond]

Yeah for us who don’t have a guild to push mythic raids , m+ is a nightmare

I think is viable to reach 3K with fury but u need to tryhard an be patient X10 than other specs

[olive nest]

Isn’t 3k only 12s/13s?

Any spec can do that

[harsh barn]

4 13's and 4 12's

Yeah it's just a nightmare pugging

[dense elbow]

3k is really achievable, but 14 area seems to be a lot rougher to breach into than 12 or 13.

What is good, is that people do seem to notice we do a lot of boss dam, so we get brought into comps that already got AoE cowered.

Does it make it fun, being bottom feeder through the key on overall, and you have little impact on all but bosses? Not really.
But at least we are a part of the machinery that is the team.

I do really miss having moments of glory as Fury.

[fading sky]

i mean

just play slayer in key

do REAL boss dmg 😄

they could nerf slayer a bit and compensate by buffing the aoe of thane and aura buff fury in gen

[tepid cedar]

whats up mother zuggers

[sour frigate]

doesnt sound right to me

[bitter palm]

5% more st and 90% less aoe

[fading sky]

❤️

[bitter palm]

and not funny hp man

thane = funny hp man

[fading sky]

ye well theres meta and then theres META

[sour frigate]

🤓

since when ww and fury became meta

[fading sky]

well WW is

fury not so much

[sour frigate]

in m+?

[static rock]

To anyone who has Best-in-Slots, do ya'll just use two passive trinkets instead of an on-use?

[remote bobcat]

trinkets dont actually provide 30% of your damage, who woulda thought

lol

[dense elbow]

ToP Banner boss?

[dense elbow]

I just need a ret in group, to not ruin my ST by your shenigans

[sour frigate]

kultarok

[dense elbow]

Got the damage breakdown for OF on that fight, by per chance?

[sour frigate]

not anymore

but we were like 70kk diff in boss

[dense elbow]

oh

I bet OF was at least 1.7%

Big button

[dense elbow]

#rekt#odynbest#nerffury

[leaden tartan]

Hello fellow smoothbrain rampage mashers

[whole yacht]

no

[leaden tartan]

How often should we be slapping execute in M+?

I feel like i barely hit it because of other things taking prio

[whole yacht]

never

[sour frigate]

When u have no other buttons

[leaden tartan]

ok cool

i worry i'm doing something wrong

feels dumb

[whole yacht]

ive hit execute twice in my last 3 keys

combined

[leaden tartan]

lmao sounds right

[dense elbow]

You press exe if you play slayer tho

[whole yacht]

if you play slayer in my key

im kicking you

[leaden tartan]

ye mainly thinking thane in dungeons

[whole yacht]

and just running the lower key

[dense elbow]

mods

[leaden tartan]

i want to love dungeon slayer

i just hate beyblade

feels like you cant really separate them

[dense elbow]

If you dont like Beyblade, you wont like Slayer

Thane is for ya

[leaden tartan]

Yis exactly

[dense elbow]

I just wish BeyBlade did damage

[whole yacht]

beyblade was my favorte game/show when i was young

[leaden tartan]

I miss odyns fury

[whole yacht]

i dont

[dense elbow]

I dont, cause I am using it

[whole yacht]

im glad its gone

[dense elbow]

I miss it being good tho

[whole yacht]

kitty trolling 😦

[dense elbow]

Not trolling OF is strong

I just linked it doing 5% of my dam!

That is huge

huuuuuuuuuuuuuge

[whole yacht]

bruh

[dense elbow]

Huuuuuuuuge

[leaden tartan]

Roughly how much DPS for a +10 key would you expect a fury to do, at 664 ilvl with set and full enchants/consumes? I can never seem to break 2.5m overall while other classes rock up and pop off with 4.5m, feel like i'm really missing something obvious

[dense elbow]

Depends on the key, but anywhere from 2m to 3.5m based on pulls and whatnot

Just aim to be around 10-20% behind others on overall, and you fine

[frank dawn]

yeah idk, I'd say if you're averaging 2.5-3 you're doing good

fury overall is beans

[leaden tartan]

I knew i should have just played Retri this season

[frank dawn]

embrace the light

it is the only way

[leaden tartan]

"Our team already has a pally, you have to be another class!" My team said, before they stopped playing after week 1

I'm not mad, who's mad, not me

[sour frigate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1355255285534429285/ret1.gif

[dense elbow]

Just sip our delicious CopiumTea, "Priority damage matters", the perfect blend to make you feel better about being yelled at for doing low damage

[leaden tartan]

Absolutely gargling it right now

I occasionally hit a good shockwave, I'm ready for 3k

[dense elbow]

You are ready, go and get your 13s done!

[frank dawn]

whenever I need some aoe copium I just do a key on my druid or hunter

[dense elbow]

AoE is pad damage, and only prio damage matters in keys, because it is called prio damage

[frank dawn]

[dense elbow]

Who wants to pop off in a moment of glory, doing 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 million DPS, when you could do 2-3m on bosses

[edgy widget]

I'm convinced yall spend far too long staring at damage meters to actually play the game sometimes

[leaden tartan]

Tbf Fury seems to be pretty hot on the actual bosses compared to a lot of these other non-plate peasants

[dense elbow]

Ofc, we pump, esp on bosses like the guy in motherlode and last boss rook

[leaden tartan]

I love the game and half the fun is BIG WEAPON but if i'm running sweaty content i want to try my best to contribute and not be a carry ygm

[edgy widget]

then contribute and stop being a carry!

[leaden tartan]

Like i could leave the fury camp but we look shit hot so i wont

[grave sphinx]

big number make brain go brrrr

[leaden tartan]

Also yes

[leaden tartan]

Go back to retri ok understood

[dense elbow]

Going ret for some big AoE numbers dopamine isnt a bad call, then go back to warr for some boss dopamine

[edgy widget]

I'm reminded of an old asmongold meme (you know, back before he was completely insufferable), in which he was explaining his UI, which amounted to one thing - make the damage meter as big as possible, taking up 90% of your screen, cause that's all you care about

[leaden tartan]

I just want my entire monitor to be a bar chart that changes when i smash my face against the numpad yes

[edgy widget]

now that's the play

just extend your screen across two monitors with the second monitor entirely dedicated to the damage meter

[leaden tartan]

And then occasionally my number goes down and someone DMs me a slur

That's the real wow experience

[lament otter]

Just replace your character with your dps meter like this

[dense elbow]

True and real

[edgy widget]

the real trick is to only make your damage meter 1 bar deep, and then check "always show self"

[broken hornet]

[undone flower]

Add a flash every sec you’re not number 1

[dense elbow]

That would just turn my screen into a constant raveparty, with occational 3 min breaks, sounds...

[undone flower]

And air horn spam when you are the one

[harsh barn]

Yeah I just saw on the guide that upgrade priority is weapons and then trinkets, so I assumed they would be a big part of your damage lol!

[dense elbow]

I could live with the airhorn once a new moon, sure

[undone flower]

Not just 1 airhorn, a spam every 0.1 sec to remind your are a good boy

[dense elbow]

0.1 sec is all it will last

[undone flower]

Like a MLG clip

[harsh barn]

I feel like that’s all groups care about, and when I only have a crum of utility I feel like I need to bring big dam and I can’t lol

I would be okay with almost zero utility if I did more damage

[dense elbow]

Time to swtich gears, and focus on what you do bring. Boss dam. Then if that isn't enough, time to switch wheels

[frank dawn]

90% of pugs will never care about that tho

[harsh barn]

+1

[dense elbow]

Ye they dont, but we know prio dam matters

This is a safe place

[harsh barn]

I usually top boss dam but then my AoE is horrible (most times)

[night sun]

i mean pugs will care abt being top on meters

[frank dawn]

I mean sure, it doesn't help peole play the game tho

[night sun]

topping is topping regardless

[leaden tartan]

At least by the time a pug lead realises you're not top, the key's already started

Locked in, strapped on

No choice but to carry

[undone flower]

Pugs don’t care about you in the first place, why wanting to please them before the key started

[harsh barn]

LOL

That’s if I get invited to the group lol

[night sun]

the strat is to only apply to keys that have hunters

that hunter will want u BAD

[dense elbow]

Doesn't help that PuGs usually see the 1st pull, and that only. And that pull is always mass AoE

Blizz need to make 1st thing always be a ST boss fight, no adds.

Pure patchwork

[undone flower]

Or ToP first is good too

[dense elbow]

Then we can go "you trash, lol, git gud" so on and on

[night sun]

all the first pull does is show off the unique class design we have in world of warcraft

some classes do big ass aoe

[fickle cedar]

yeah always apply to grps with monks/hunters

[night sun]

some do big ass boss damage

[leaden tartan]

Are they jealous of our transmog?

[harsh barn]

Usually I can’t even get an invite to the +13 to show my damage lol

[night sun]

as a hunter myself we want that 5% AP so we can jerk off even harder

[harsh barn]

I don’t understand why the 5 target cap can’t be changed to maybe 7 or so, so that we’re closer to some other AoE classes

[night sun]

bc fuck fury

[undone flower]

It’s bc you are a dps and a billion dps is tagging his key

[night sun]

get absolutely shit on lil bro, go do prio damage

[fickle cedar]

leaning into physical comps is very helpful and the only thing we're kinda useful for

[harsh barn]

Fair, and I absolutely understand why people don’t want a warrior over all the other DPS

[leaden tartan]

We really really need a bloodlust battle-shout spell

Literally any utility

[harsh barn]

Feel like BL fits our class so well too

[dense elbow]

It is often also that there are simply better player options, more ilvl and score, than yourself. Never forget. It isnt always "because fury".

[sour frigate]

puggin on non-meta and without high rio main/prev season is pain

[leaden tartan]

The fact that BL is so limited is really dumb. It made sense, for the THEME, like 15 years ago, but we've moved on

[edgy widget]

pugging higher keys can't figure out why invites are more competitive

[frank dawn]

honestly, with lust, there aren't many physical classes that offer it. Especially for average joe pugs just doing 7-10s I think it would help us find a spot

[edgy widget]

it's not a Warrior or a Fury problem any more than it's a Rogue problem - it's a fundamental design problem when you have 5 spots for 38 specs

[dense elbow]

You guys really experiencing problems getting into 7 to 10s?

Cause 13 feels kinda open to myself

[harsh barn]

Also true, but I have 2840 rating, 665ilvl and good parses and I had trouble getting into a 9 FL to farm trinket. Maybe I need to git gud tho

[undone flower]

Pugging is pain, like Solo queue in LoL, you need to admit you shot your own foot

[sour frigate]

solo q in lol is fine

[night sun]

nothing abt lol is fine

or even close to ok

[sour frigate]

skill issue

[undone flower]

I was talking about solo queue mental hell hate the game/ addiction when you can just duo and have fun with your bro

[scenic cosmos]

bloodlust would be such a small band aid, how many more invites would that really get warrior. you might get a few over the course of an entire season just because of having a lust. the class is just a much worse ret for m+

[edgy widget]

I mean I agree with this
but there's also a fundamental difference between solo queuing into a matchmade system which automatically groups you
and a system which requires an actual person to look at players and pick an option that will give them a lower chance of success

[night sun]

[dense elbow]

Ranked que system for M+ gives me a headache to just think about it. How would it work out all the choices made, from comp to utility, dungeon to dungeon.

[edgy widget]

Fury could be fan fucking tastic and you could get invited to all the 13s, blow them out completely
but eventually you're gonna make your way to 14s, to 15s, to 16s, to 17s, and then you're going to be right back in the same position complaining that you don't get invites to 18s because you're not DK/Mage/Druid

[scenic cosmos]

they also would never get rid of being able to make your own groups, so tanks and healers would still just make their own

[edgy widget]

that's the nature of this system

[sour frigate]

the fuck i read

[edgy widget]

and it is a completely unsolvable problem

[night sun]

yeah m+ lfg is nothing like a matchmade system, its more like looking for a job where theres no restriction to openly discriminate

[dense elbow]

Make it mandatory, make it bound to player power to que as tank and healer!

[night sun]

so instead of finding loopholes to decline ppl

[edgy widget]

don't be weird please

[night sun]

ur just getting straight up declined

acting like u havent met that exact person on lol before

[edgy widget]

I don't play League

[harsh barn]

Yeah agree with this. Not sure what the solution is, just wish there was more variety in the top keys but I suppose that’s impossible

[sour frigate]

ur message got declined 😎

[edgy widget]

there literally is not a solution in a system of uncapped upward progression

[undone flower]

I think duo queue in LoL is really similar to duo queue in m+ you cancel part of the matchmaking by choosing to play with someone you know

[fickle cedar]

M+ soloq would be a special experience tbh

[edgy widget]

if you want more keys, stop applying and start running your own key more

[night sun]

m+ solo q would be worse than the current system

[scenic cosmos]

imagining the kind of tank that would sign up for solo Q instead of making their own group or signing up to the exact group/key they want

[night sun]

idk how ppl dont realize that

there would still be a meta

[fickle cedar]

probably but you can have both

[night sun]

and instead of not getting into a key

you'd get false hope thinking youd be able to play

[edgy widget]

people would just leave keys they match into

[night sun]

then you get kicked

[undone flower]

Just /ff 15 when people see an Aug

[fickle cedar]

well they would probably add punishment for leaving early I suppose

[edgy widget]

people would still do it

[night sun]

oh no, not a 20 min ban from q'ing

[undone flower]

Idk why people would ever want m+ queue except for lower keys lvl where it doesn’t matter anyway

[edgy widget]

with the general idea is that it would be better to afk for 30m than to strugglebus and lose after 30m

[fickle cedar]

cant enter a dungeon for 1 day, keeps stacking exponentially

[plush zephyr]

Fucking LOL

[night sun]

this is as well, there is no way to actually verify that the ppl in the group can even do a +7, in a +8 for example

and assuming you can just queue for whatever

you're gonna get a lot of andys who just want to be carried q'ing into keys they cannot and should not ever complete

even if there is a "must have completed this dungeon at 1 level lower to q" itll just be a much more tedious process to get carried but god damnit they'll do it

[dense elbow]

If it is matchrated, one would expect ppl to push up gradually and as such able to do the content till they are hard-stuck. Be it 2, 10 or 20. Then you get prob some hotspots, where say 15, a ton ppl found their wall. And you got ppl who could do a 20, stuck there in that bracket for ages, never able to move up - as they keep getting 4 ppl hardstuck at their own levels.

Sounds like fun

[edgy widget]

Let's be honest though... is that not what happens in higher keys too?

[sour frigate]

🙂

[night sun]

the boosting market is always flourishing

[undone flower]

You know you can lock queue lvl with something (like score), idk why I’m defending m+ queue, but it would be fine if they didn’t remove LFG m+, let bad players do their 10s

[night sun]

i never bothered to limit the applicants to my keys

because im picking them anyways

[edgy widget]

I mean if you really wanted it to work, you'd just have some kind of score/completion threshold

• complete a +5 to queue for a +6 kinda deal (probably not that binary, but a simple example)

[night sun]

you'd probably need to do it in a way that its ALL dungeons +5 then go to a +6

[dense elbow]

I hate it, but sure, that could work.

[undone flower]

Do you lose points if depletes in this

[edgy widget]

depends if you queue for independent dungeons or all in one

[sour frigate]

thats toxic

[edgy widget]

if you can queue for dungeons independently (e.g. a 10 ToP or an 8 Flood), then you could just use a score-gate similar to the existing system

[night sun]

idk, let them make m+ solo q and then see how awful it goes bc of all the ways to exploit it

[edgy widget]

that way a higher level of one key compensates for a lower level of another

I still don't think it'd be a good idea to add, but if you wanted such a system, that's how you'd do it

[night sun]

as bad as the current system is

i think the key holders do want some selection

[undone flower]

I think in a queue world there wouldn’t be a key holder

[night sun]

bc in this hypothetical m+ solo q system, some gamer who has been bashing his head against a +6 for 17 days and will never clear it, will just brick ur key and you'll have no way of preventing that from happening again

[undone flower]

If you unlock by doing the lower lvl the ability to queue to the next

[dense elbow]

This is solved by having deranking in the system

[night sun]

no it isnt

he does a 5

goes back to the 6

bricks the 6

goes to a 5

does the 5, repeat

[edgy widget]

Yeah there'd be no need for keys in a queuing matchmade system - the whole point of keystones is to guide players into keys appropriate for their experience, which is what those afformentioned matchmaking gates would do

[dense elbow]

yep, now he only bricks 50%, not 100%

[night sun]

which mean hes still a terror to the queue

[undone flower]

We are in current world where people have resil 12s and Staline order 227 to get a 13

[dense elbow]

Staline order 227?

[undone flower]

No step back

[edgy widget]

this hypothetical applies to the current system as well, so not much difference

[night sun]

true we do live in hell

it applies a lot less tho

[edgy widget]

not really

[night sun]

you can just never invite him again

he bricks 1 key and thats it

in a hypothetical q system he could repeatedly brick keys

[edgy widget]

hypothetically yes
practically naw

• how many players actually keep running lists of every player (mediocre or great) that they've ever played with and reference it when forming groups
• how often do you see the same repeat player in mid-range keys regardless
• how often is a sole singular DPS responsible for completely bricking a key (assuming they aren't actively trolling, usually it's a group effort because strong players can and regularly do compensate for weaker ones)

someone would have to be extremely memorable for me to be like "oh I recognize that guy, he bricked my +6 key last week!"

[night sun]

block him

dont have to rememeber him if hes blocked

[dense elbow]

Blocking someone for 1 bad key?

[night sun]

n u can write those lil notes next to ppls name

[edgy widget]

in most systems, blocking people prevents them from being automatically matched with you, so your hypothetical problem takes care of itself

[night sun]

what, you want to give that guy a 2nd chance?

[night sun]

this is wow, that wouldnt exist in wow

[fickle cedar]

32M in a pack of 6 mobs lol (i know ele damage curve its just a funny post)

[night sun]

ur right tho it prob will

[edgy widget]

it already exists in wow...

[night sun]

yeah but like

small indie company

look u have too high of hopes

[edgy widget]

they literally already have this system in wow

[dense elbow]

32m is rookie numbers. Come back when you see him doing real DPS numbers.

[night sun]

they'd absolutely miss the mark in M+ solo q someway or another

[night sun]

and they already had bugs fixed and brought them back from patch to patch

[edgy widget]

and fixed them again, so what?

what possible bearing does this have on the conversation lmao, you're just making shit up now

LETS NEVER DO ANYTHING EVER CAUSE A BUG MIGHT HAPPEN

[night sun]

oh im just hating on blizz

nah im referring to the coupe de grace bug they fixed, and with mismangement of game clients brought back

[edgy widget]

I'd love if bugs didn't exist, but that's just... not how software works

[night sun]

not a bug resurfacing and having a different fix

im talking, same bug, same fix, brought back bc how bad they are at their job

[edgy widget]

and people would be alarmed at how many of their favorite games from their childhood were riddled with bugs they just never noticed

[night sun]

its not the bug itself im focusing on

i accept that bugs happen, bugs make games fun sometimes

[edgy widget]

and awful other times

[undone flower]

you don't know how they fixed a bug in the first place, how couldn't you know it needs the same fix if it reappears / is caused by same thing

[night sun]

it did not "reappear"

is what im trying to say

11.0.5, a lot of class tuning and bug fixes just got reverted

[edgy widget]

I mean the real reason for this kinda thing is because of leapfrogging development, which is a result of trying to push out more content faster for players who cry "dead game" every time they go two months without something new

[night sun]

because they fucked up merging the clients

[edgy widget]

also don't think people really appreciate how many moving parts a game as massive as WoW has

[undone flower]

yeah archi, im noob in computer etc, i kinda guessing what they try to do (fulfill consumer wants of more and faster) in most logical way (less cash spending /efficient budget spending)

[edgy widget]

well I meant more so that while one team is working on 11.1.5, the next team is already on 11.1.7, and another team is already on 11.2

so that by the time 11.1.5 releases, 11.1.7 is already a ways through development, rather than just starting fresh

[undone flower]

oh parallel project dev or smth, it is what they said they do, 1 or so expansion ahead

[edgy widget]

Yeah basically

like people complain about not enough class tuning and ask what class devs do all day - well that's easy, they're already working on 11.2 and even 12.0 stuff

they have to work ahead like that

and it makes everything you do more complicated too!

[undone flower]

in my mind they just have a tuning work week or day planned for this team or dude meanwhile they do other stuff, tuning is secondary thought obviously

[edgy widget]

I think we all wish more/better tuning happened, but our ideals and goals are not necessarily shared by Blizz

[undone flower]

it is asking blizz to spend money to align planets when they can just open beta/ptr, tune 2 weeks too late (after patch release), bc it is free money saving

[dense elbow]

We given PuG ppl a lot of flack lately. So, I will just say. This road to get all 13s in time done, has been suprisingly positive. People even whispering me things like 'good boss dam, man!' and 'Hey, we know it aint your fault overall is low.'

Pretty wholesome experience today

[hollow elk]

pugs for 12 personally have been touch and go.

ive had runs where people didnt say anything. timed "gg" and left

some where there is one guy that literally wont shut up about things that could be done better

then theres the ones like the first one but after the gg someone will whisper me to tell me how much i suck. lol

people that are angry in m+ are just a reflection of how they are irl imo.
throw a tantrum when things dont go their way. if its or isnt their fault is beyond the point. probly runs away when confronted. no point in even answering. just report harrasment and move on. never say a word besides yo and gg inside the run

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/connection-issue-world-of-warcraft-cataclysm-easy-latam-doerhamy-gif-25948098

[waxen vale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/487043392115703834/980627521114607636/Wow_01PAlTrYOW.gif

[plush zephyr]

Wanna do a +9 ML later tonight? Instainvite. People this season have been mad weird.

[young swan]

yeah but 3m cd and 0 st dam

[mortal inlet]

I've been having trouble with BT this season cannot get it right... when I got this WA I was like 'oh ok pop BT when it dings' but my dps compared to our other fury warr is lower so when comparing what we are doing he was getting a lot more out of BT and he was saying not to press it only when this dings etc - earlier in the season when it was like 'crit chance boosted by 45% lets go' it was pretty simple now Im tripping over my own feet

[edgy widget]

you still press it as a filler as well, but yes he will get a lot more out of BT if he's pressing it more often, that's just kinda how ability damage works

but in exchange, he will also be getting less out of Raging Blow and Rampage

[next ruin]

don't they play 2min ascendance now

[young swan]

i think they can but idk if they universally play it

[next ruin]

3min ascendance with tank damage outside of it seems criminal

i was wondering, does anyone know if priorizing raging blow over bt during packs as thane really is a dps loss ?

[fickle cedar]

if there are more than 6 enemies press BT to proc stacks, otherwise you rb (you still follow usual BT rules with crit and all that)

[mortal inlet]

Cheers, yeah our rampage casts are about the same but my RBs are higher and his BTs are higher but the overall damage output he has is greater where it seems those BTs are doing more damage comparatively. Is the advice still when using the WA to use ramp/BT then BT when it procs (per WA)? Was using it as a filler of course when didnt have ramp/RB!

[echo rapids]

At Petkos level they will pull around cooldowns and 3 min asc is way stronger when done that way

[next ruin]

im pretty sure peekto is the one saying to play 2min ascendance even without pi

[echo rapids]

Yeah it’s also dungeon and PI dependent

2 min is nice for lower keys

Ele is such a roulette wheel of a spec right now

When you chain asc procs on like first room cinder wow

[edgy widget]

trying to directly compare numbers is going to give you a false perspective, since there are a lot of differences that come into play (even just raw stats)

also correlation =! causation
you see him doing more dps and are attributing it to the most visible factor (that he is pressing Bloodthirst more), when in reality it's probably a combination of factors that matter more than that relatively small gameplay optimization

[mortal inlet]

Ok so what I was doing before - popping BT on WA proc, otherwise prio is broadly Ramp>RB>BT (ignoring things like TR during enrage etc) Sorry if Im trying to oversimplify - just felt like I was misunderstanding what I was meant to be doing with BT

[forest owl]

is there any known bugs or issues with wclogs atm? overnight ive had 2 fights show no all stars and have been deducted from my overall

1st 2 fights in particular but it hasnt happened to any of my guildies

[edgy widget]

• Stix is no longer counted on All Stars
• It's possible a log got invalidated if it broke a rule (like double PI or pulling trash into the boss)
• normal logs don't "lock in" their rankings until the next day

[forest owl]

i get all that but this just shows as nothing now

maybe best asking wclogs discord

[edgy widget]

probably, but it would also help to just link the page instead of snippets

[forest owl]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/76652973?metric=dps&bybracket=0&difficulty=4

i have no clue tbh never had it happen before

[edgy widget]

makes me think the rank was invalidated for some reason

[forest owl]

i know PI can invalidate logs with overlapping PI but I almost never get them, the logs were there now theyre just gone, asked in wclogs discord to see if anyone can shed some light

[edgy widget]

maybe they mucked something up making Stix no longer count on All Stars

weird part is its only blanked out for you though, not everyone

[clever belfry]

maybe theyre currently rolling it out

usually takes a while

[edgy widget]

Yeah but his issues is for weeks old Vexie/Cauldron kills

I know Classic can have issues if it can't detect things properly (like thinking you're not in a stance), but haven't seen it on retail

I'm guessing it's just a snaffu on WCL end though

[clever belfry]

week 2 vexie/cauldron kills specifically? wclogs just refuses to load for me rn

some week 2 kills got unlisted for the early craft exploit

maybe reexport fixes that

[edgy widget]

no like last weeks and others

[cosmic sundial]

Hey all! Quick question. When doing sims to compare gear should I use Hectic Add Cleave for most of these bosses? I know patchwerk will sim my boss damage but when the fights have adds should I still aim patchwerk?

I ask because my ST sim has me changing my enchants from what they are for my MT.

[fickle cedar]

Just use patchwerk 1 target 5m, our aoe damage scales through cleave anyway so increasing your ST damage will increase your cleave damage in a similar curve.

[cosmic sundial]

Sounds good. On that note, is there any reason you can think it’s wanting me to change my enchants? I wanted to see if I had the best ones since Authority of Depths is recommended but it was recommending Stormrider’s and Oathsworn’s. Is it because Depths only hits your target and doesn’t splash or cleave?

[edgy widget]

yes, depths is single target

[feral ivy]

what does this mean

[young swan]

wont target the same person twice in a row if possible

[feral ivy]

ah

[slim coral]

Goated change honestly

Getting it back to back on a high key was lame asf

[wanton mirage]

If blizzard servers are prone to Ddos, what is preventing the rival companies to ddosing the blizz servers 24/7?

[hardy cargo]

It’s very expensive and very illegal

[tepid cedar]

15 ML hw key. sooo closseeee

[hollow leaf]

where brown

[edgy widget]

in the where it belongs!

[tepid cedar]

dookie brown. at the bottom

@edgy widget gets it

lol

[hollow leaf]

Idk 358k is pretty bad I'd say

[modest condor]

nah that's about average for fury

[hollow leaf]

what if critcake was playing it

[modest condor]

he would probably do like 400k

[hollow leaf]

you think that much?

simp

[modest condor]

i simp for critcake

[hollow leaf]

based

what can I check for places to improve if comparing casts doesn't give me anything

like me and crit had very similar casts across the board in same level keys so I don't know what more I can check for how to improve

[tepid cedar]

unless you put some logs up

can really help u

[hollow leaf]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1358145458429755653

actually now that I check, that was a rank 4 for that key level

when I just clicked ranking up in the corner it showed 641

[left perch]

what the frick does prone to ddos mean lmao

[edgy widget]

since when has that stopped anyone?!

[left perch]

well that has technically stopped me from several things to be frank.

my moral compass less the issue than my wallet

[edgy widget]

all my hobbies are expensive and illegal

[hollow leaf]

well to be frank that sounds like a you problem

[left perch]

real

[jaunty ridge]

It should also affect more than one lightspawn as well. Afaik, two (or more) can't target the same person.

[cold timber]

unholy dks in m+ be like

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1298033764802236558/1358238539057467533/blood_is_life.mp4?ex=67f31db6&is=67f1cc36&hm=bddc291a744f941381ac66a0fdef87fc041582a7c26272f3c0fff46a0bdea4ed&

[hollow leaf]

boomies in m+ be like https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNdL44QW8/

[broken hornet]

[next ruin]

We do like 10% more damage on the lieutenant, it's worth

[left perch]

getting invited to key

imagine

[hollow leaf]

I can imagine

[edgy widget]

https://tenor.com/view/bruce-almighty-comedy-jim-carrey-angry-typing-gif-3479485

[left perch]

Wait is that a Bova son Of Ova or whatever reference pasta?

[hollow leaf]

no idea it was some guy in crit's discord

[left perch]

#fury message

lmao

haven’t seen that in a hot minute

you’re famous

aren’t you the FE leader for that dope website and the highest rated fury m+ enjoyer?

[hollow leaf]

I am not the highest rater fury m+ enjoyer!

I am like rank 22 eu arms

[left perch]

Wzug

[hollow leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/gambit-channing-tatum-deadpool-and-wolverine-you-know-how-long-i've-been-waiting-for-this-i'm-about-to-make-a-name-for-myself-here-gif-14409219265758870864

[left perch]

that was actually one of my favorite character + actor moments tbh

so good

[clever escarp]

15 brew timed Boysss

[edgy widget]

idk I like him and I like the character, though I'm still not sure it was a very good combination

but what the hell do I know

[left perch]

I think I mostly liked that he was so obsessed with wanting to do that character and finally got to

[quiet geyser]

warrior APL.

[edgy widget]

Yeah that's fair, good for him anyway

and fwiw, the rest of his scenes were pretty decent; I think he's reprising the role in the upcoming Doomsday movie - will have to see where he takes it

[left perch]

Oh really? Interesting for sure

I like that lately it seems like he just “has fun” with roles; even the sandy bullock movie he did - wasn’t critically acclaimed or the best he’s done but I appreciate he seems to just be living it up

This is me admitting I also liked Jen’s Elektra cameo which admittedly could be rated pretty poorly

[edgy widget]

I liked both her's and Snipes' reprisals; just felt right

[left perch]

As cheesy/bad the Deadpool movies are I feel like they do get things like that really right

[sullen dove]

cheesey maybe, do NOT call that shit bad

peak among peak

[left perch]

maybe tongue in cheek is a better phrase. idk sometimes I say bad but really I mean “not critically acclaimed film”

that said, I like “bad” film quite a bit so idk.

[edgy widget]

goofy, I think is the word

[left perch]

yea I know films in the X-men universe that tried to be good and failed hard

[edgy widget]

I definitely don't think it was as good as the first two

[left perch]

while we’re doing film chat - any black bag enjoyers?

[feral ivy]

i made a macro for ppl who dont stack and holy crap it works .. just spam "STACK HOLY SHIT STACK!!!"

its great for TOP

[left perch]

who stacks in top

[feral ivy]

ngl in the plauge wing i tell them if they dont stack "i swear imma throw hands at yall range"

[left perch]

that’s fair yea

[marble schooner]

Great Priory tech

tagged someone randomly

[cosmic sundial]

Has anyone else had issues of not getting your auto-attack on your opener during One-Armed? It's gimping me out of my rage to rampage immediately

[edgy widget]

where exactly are we supposed to find holy shit to stack?

and where are we supposed to stack our holy shit once we find it?

[modest condor]

over there

[left perch]

I think if you reck charge before combat you can lose 1 rage and be short; can wait for combat or throw weapon first

[edgy widget]

I wouldn't think there'd be that much holy shit in ToP to begin with

seems more priory tech to me

[feral ivy]

To stack in top only 2 spots plague wing and the arena with the mini bosses if the ability is the swords

[modest condor]

top feels more like an unholy shit dungeon

[edgy widget]

[cosmic sundial]

I thought you were supposed to reck, charge, auto on incoming, ava, and you had 80

but When I'm doing that a few times I ended up with 30 rage and a thumb up my ass mashing rampage doing nothing lamo

[left perch]

ok I’ve seen 79 ish rage but I haven’t seen 30 lol

ending up with 30 sounds unholy

[edgy widget]

30 rage sounds like you just pressed Avatar -> Charge, or Charge -> Ava, and then Reck after
if you Avatar -> Reck -> Charge you get 50
and if you Reck -> Ava -> Charge you get 80

[cosmic sundial]

I think I figured it out? It seems if I use my tempered potion during the charge it's stopping my auto? only difference I've noticed

[edgy widget]

that's odd, there's an animation but that's not usually an issue in modern wow, and if anything I would think it should only delay rather than cancel entirely 🤔 should do some more detailed testing

[cosmic sundial]

I'll sned the logs from tonight, I can't remember the pulls it happened exactly but they were more toward the beginning

[delicate spear]

Fwiw I've noticed the same on mugzee pulls

[quiet breach]

if i use this macro will it ALWAYS do the correct thing and give me 80?

[static rock]

anyone able to look at what I could do better in my keys? looking more specifically at ST. It's #1358274852993237062

[edgy widget]

you'll often go down to 79 on the pull, but then your auto will push you back over, yes

[quiet breach]

ok cool, if i switched the order of those abilities, like i did

/cast avatar
/cast recklessness

it would NOT give me 80 then?

[edgy widget]

no, you must cast Reck before Avatar to maximize rage generation

[stone lava]

So apparently im playing fury very wrong. do i save BS for reck or just send BS on cd. im doing like 200k under sim and another fury warrior i just ran with with very similar gear. i make sure i have rampage buff. but idk what im doing wrong outside maybe that?

[bitter palm]

what if you get parried chatting

[static rock]

Hey, i noticed some of the higher end fury warriors are running radiant power weapon enchants, is there a specific purpose for it or something?

[sullen dove]

better for aoe

[edgy widget]

you have an offhand!

[bitter palm]

i had pulls where i just sit at 79 its so annoying

[bitter palm]

no focus in chaos it misses

queue gromnak parry on opener fatescribe clip

[edgy widget]

there was some speculation earlier that it may be related to using pot during charge - needs to be looked into though

[bitter palm]

now that i think about it

i do pot during charge

i think

im not sure

[marble schooner]

I had that happen when I had pot macroed to Reck

[bitter palm]

hmm

[marble schooner]

then I stopped being lazy and bound pot to a separate bind

[bitter palm]

wouldn't be surprised

[marble schooner]

if you dont want the hassle just pot 1sec before pull

[bitter palm]

ye i have pot on separate bind

i just press it mid charge i think

[marble schooner]

also now I tend to wait till I get in combat before I charge so i dont have any outside of combat rage shenanigans

[bitter palm]

im not sure when i pot i just kinda do it xd

[marble schooner]

I pot after rampage cause that 1st rampage does cringe dam anyways

[bitter palm]

ye makes sense

[edgy widget]

not sure why it should

except maybe because you're not potting!

[dense elbow]

1st Rampage got less dam because no SS stacks causing that impression perhaps?

[edgy widget]

maybe, but the majority of your Rampage's during the opener don't get many SS stacks so it's kinda moot

[dense elbow]

Time to ask for reck to grant SS stacks

[edgy widget]

no, it's time to absolutely dumpster Slaughtering Strikes and reduce the rotation's obscene overemphasis on Raging Blow

[dense elbow]

Make SS a PvP talent

[summer quail]

put ss stacks on execute. yes this will nerf us, but will also incentivize pressing execute on cd

can always compensate buff

and when i say put ss stacks on execute, i obviously mean remove them from rb and put them on execute

[edgy widget]

there are several solutions, though I'd just as soon nerf the crap out of it and/or remove it outright

[summer quail]

yeah that's fine as well. as long as rb loses some power

[edgy widget]

but yeah, putting it on BT or even Execute would certainly help level the playing field

[quiet breach]

man

why is thunderous capped at 5

why not 8

[summer quail]

troar dot isn't capped

so you don't care

[sinful spoke]

cap this

:THIS

[quiet breach]

so if theres a pack of 30 mobs the dot goes on all 30, but the initial hit only goes on 5?

[sinful spoke]

archi give me emote persm :shyduck

[summer quail]

i mean the initial hit goes on all targets, it just does less to the rest

[quiet breach]

but the dot isnt reduced damage?

[summer quail]

correct

[bitter palm]

explode slaughtering strikes

remove it

[wary fjord]

make ww cleave to 7 targets

give us the outlaw fix

[uneven path]

Just do something at this point

[dense elbow]

Buff our AoE cap nodes' branch nodes, to allow more specialised AoE power through investment

[wary fjord]

make ww cleave to uncapped

[fair swallow]

the problem is they don't want to break the aoe balance in raid like fury had in season 1

imo i believe they should give mountain thane a talent that buffs thunderclaps target cap so that our m+ spec is way better without ruining the health of raid

or atleast buff the mountain thane proc of thunderclap if they're really afraid of throwing off balance

[sudden tusk]

another 15% NERF to odynskitty

fury def needs its aoe cap increased

even reducing the damage % from whirlwind to compensate is enough if we actually get to hit more then 5 mobs

[dense elbow]

Come on, OF is only 3-4% of my dam at this point

[sudden tusk]

its pretty pathetic

[dense elbow]

leave me alone

[sudden tusk]

: (

i do think they need to actualy rebuff either OF or BS for fury and BS for arms

[cold cape]

Question, when I'm looking at other peoples logs compared to mine, I notice that their RB casts are 30% higher than mine at the same ilvl, say 60 of mine compared to their 90, but when I play I feel like I'm running out of RB stacks, what could be causing this or how do I address this issue?

[sudden tusk]

OF needs at least 40% back onto it

[sudden tusk]

got a screenshot of your talents perhaps

[dense elbow]

Sounds like you are not pressing rampage enough, activating hack'n'slash. But as Madox said, we need the data to know

[sudden tusk]

you probably are using the right stuff, but its easier to diagnose this way

[cold cape]

They look the same

The rampage cast # is the same as well

60 to 60

[sudden tusk]

or do you have a log to look at

[cold cape]

I'd have to post it in #449510248579858432 but I can do that sure

[bitter palm]

i might swerve...

[sudden tusk]

nah you can post the log here

if someone asks directly

[bitter palm]

its fury chat

u can post anything

[summer quail]

60? surely you mean 80

[sudden tusk]

he means casts

[summer quail]

oh xDD

thought we had a titans torment enjoyer over here

[cold cape]

Oh ok here https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HQpvLPct6xbaBjZq?fight=3&type=damage-done&source=47

Compared to this guy https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MKHV3QPF4rZtxfLY?fight=1&type=damage-done&source=39

63 to 60 rampage, but my 67 to 94 raging blow

61 to 68 bloodthirst as well

Even when I check someone much higher ilvl their RB cast is much higher than their rampage cast number as well

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NXd4wFtnWZq8hgLR?fight=11&type=damage-done&source=3

[sudden tusk]

hmm at a glance it looks like you honestly might be rampaging too much

[silk wharf]

Without looking I would say if you feel like you have too many instances where you would be hitting raging blow but can't because you're out, it's likely a situation of wasting hack n' slash resets.

[sudden tusk]

Mike has more resets

at 82 compared to 66

[silk wharf]

Is that actual gains though

or just it procced but he was at 2/2

already

[sudden tusk]

i think you might just be over using rampage at like 100 rage instead of casting RB again

[sudden tusk]

would need to actually deep dive or see a visual vod

[cold cape]

Oh we don't do that?

[sudden tusk]

yeah generally you want to get as close to 130 without overcapping

[cold cape]

Really? How did I miss this

[silk wharf]

Its like price is right as close to 130 without going over.

[sudden tusk]

at 100 rage even in reck you would generate another 28 rage as max

[silk wharf]

While keeping enraged.

[cold cape]

Are you Mad Ox from youtube?

I watched that persons guide

[sudden tusk]

if you look at the logs he also has a higher average damage cast of rampage

becuase he has more casts of slaughering strikes

and yar i am

[cold cape]

Ok well thanks for pointing that out I'll have to look things over again, but I didn't know that

[silk wharf]

So many things now are just worth more than rampage like it or not.

(which I don't)

[sudden tusk]

like most specs the idea is we never waste anything while also keeping our buffs like Enrage up

Raging blow is just crazy strong becuase it increases our BT crit chance. Can Reset itself, does good damage, and also buffs our rampage damage by 20% per cast

[cold cape]

So "pooling" rage sort of help keeps enrage up? I can use BT to extend it a little? I need to cast more RBs to buff Rampage instead of casting it right away?

[sudden tusk]

yeah

[cold cape]

Pooling rage by getting as close to 130 as possible before Rampage again

[sudden tusk]

so ill admit my videos are kinda more of a starter pack then in depth which is where i may have given the wrong info or i need to go more in depth in a different video or section

[cold cape]

It's not a brainless AM spec like how I was treatiing it

That's insightful thank you

[sudden tusk]

but basically our #1 goal is to maintane enraged. Outside of that goal we want to cast as many Raging blows as possible but not overcap rage

when our bloodthirst is over 85% chance to crit its prio to cast that

but becuase you have a very significant chance to reset your raging blow charges through the talent tree, or through rampage's talent hack and slash

[cold cape]

Enrage uptime > overcapping rage > RB/Slaughtering Strike stacks > Rampage is this correct?

[sudden tusk]

RB is our primary button in most situations

[marble pilot]

I dont think its best but I try to rampage when I can. Blodthirst/execute when the weakauras tell me they are buffed, otherwise raging blow.

[sudden tusk]

Enrage>Overcapping Rage>95% BT Crit chance>RB/Slaughting stacks> Rampage

[silk wharf]

Yes, until it isn't. There are conditionals where you slam upwards of 100 rage down the drain.

[cold cape]

Oh I see

[sudden tusk]

i may be wrong but i beleive that ALSO includes execute phase

because the hero talent in slayer Fierce follow through on top of the Vicious contempt talent does a crazy amount of consistant execute damage

since you can guarentee a crit through Bloodcraze and tier set, every single BT cast can have the Feirce Followthrough buff

on the log you sent you had a 44% uptime of Fierce followthough, but the other guys log was i think upwards of 88 becuase he was prioing RB, and only casting BT when it was almost guarenteed to crit

in all honesty i should probably update and or make a new video focused on raid for fury

some of the info in the previous one i made is somewhat outdated

[cold cape]

No it was a good video I just didn't know where to go for more information after

[sudden tusk]

maybe i should make a more in depth video after if i release these kinds of guides

[cold cape]

I also wasn't paying attention fullly if I was making that mistake

[sudden tusk]

since the original video is designed for potentially a class reroll or newer player

i could def do better

[cold cape]

Thanks for the feedback though, maybe if you wanted to sure it was helpful for me so I'm sure others will find it helpful

[covert blaze]

omg real madox

[sudden tusk]

i get a little too self absorbed and always miss alot of things. so the feedback is appriciated

i think doing 1 starter and 1 more in depth video is probably the way to go.

[cold cape]

Ha keep it raw it adds entertainment

No cuts no edits just wing it

[somber elk]

guys is next week catalyst charge week?

[compact knot]

no

[somber elk]

ty

[rancid night]

Soo ... No pve changes this week... Are we forced to reroll Arms or suck in m+ till next tier? 🥲

[plush zephyr]

Fury performs just fine in m+ imo both are interchangeable. In ToP fury does pull ahead though. But, that’s just me.

[dense elbow]

Fury works alright, we just feel bad, as we got no moment of glory and we only shine on ST.

We do impact the key, as we do kill prio targets quite efficently, but I get why the fun and feel factor of it isnt there. As the damage profile is so flat.

[rancid night]

Well I don't agree, up to +12 it's fine but after I seriously lack dmg never did over 4m overall seeing ppl do over 5m. I agree we have good st dmg while being in m+ setup but sometimes you need to do some crazy pulls where its basically race against time till u re out of cc and there you're just ball on chain on group's leg doing dirty work with prio damage and ccs while being under tank in terms of dmg.

[dense elbow]

If you are in a comp with Fury, you dont do the gigapulls, you try to catch up the lost AoE time on ST instead. It is less efficent overall, this is true. But it is the reality of playing with a Fury.

Got to try to squeeze out value from our strength, and not get too focused on our drawback.

even if we are clearly behind on one thing, doesn't meat we dont grant value on the other. ST vs MT.

[plush zephyr]

It is pretty nice being able burning down a certain add sometimes while everyone else is on aoe tbh

[green charm]

Guys, as MT should i use bt > rb ?

[rancid night]

Yep but ppl won't play around you you can't force em soon or later it's you re fury u trolling switch to arms or you re out. You have plenty classes who does both or are better in some niche. I don't want us to be super op we have others there ... But why the fuck we re target capet at 5? When you pulls like 15+ mobs constantly it's just cringe?

[fair thistle]

yes in m+

gives you thunder blast procs

[flat river]

nuh uh

[rancid night]

RB on single low count or not below 35, prefer to but on higher count to fish blast procs works fine for me.

[fair thistle]

multi target yes lol

[flat river]

you use raging blow until 3+ stacks of bloodcraze or below 35% hp

then u use bt

[fair thistle]

ehm

[dense elbow]

I get where you are coming from, but even so we got our "strength" to play with. I do get invited to keys because they want that ST push damage, as they usually got AoE for days already cowered.

It is a bit boring, and I personally don't enjoy how it is, but it is functional and Fury is viable. Target cap isn't really a factor beyond the 'feel' of the spec, and that would be neatly worked around if they made our AoE burst CDs do damage again.

[fair thistle]

im pretty sure you confused smth in AoE

but maybe im wrong

[rancid night]

Yep it kinda gets old. Would be nice to have option to go more aoe if you want/have to.

[dense elbow]

At least give us some dopamine, a spike, something to make things different from the constant flat line that is our current DPS profile.

[rancid night]

100% agree.

[willow patrol]

could it be that some of the cooldowns make the aoe uncapped for the duration?

issue is that it'd be absolutely busted at low keys, but when two things run at the same time you can get uncapped aoe, like replace the avatar when rekclessness and other way around with uncapped aoe during the first 5 seconds or whatever

[rancid night]

Making reckless abandon aoe talent would be great but you cant cleave the dot also be able to cleave unhinged would be great since it was designed to be the case I belive just get cut out

[heavy steppe]

I came in here to ask if having a mediocre burst was normal for thane, but it seems like thats a normal thing based on the response in keys

[rancid night]

It is you re stable mid Mike all day. Stable reliable but not fun for you bro. Hot 🐥 goes for the others.

[heavy steppe]

fair enough I guess

[fading sky]

This entire issue with fury is just roar and of suckin

And both got nerfed coz they were mage level good

In super specific encounter = roar

And of coz of avatsr

Roar basicly got fucked due to tree boss in acadamy

Lol imagine if current uh dk. Got to so that pull in acadamy

[carmine tide]

Got a question guys. How is mechano amplifier BiS trinket for warr ? My lens + energy drink sims better than any combination with mechano?

[rancid night]

Allways SIM for yourself the trinkets are close and it depends on your stat distribution, just make sure u re simming corecly (corect talents and consunables/buffs) and you re fine to go.

[next ruin]

What key was it? Even with a monk I struggle to do this kind of dps

And never did 4m fury

[rancid night]

I would guess cinder or flood

[red berry]

idk them removing the odyns from avatar i think does mean it could be buffed back again. if you're worried about damage, take the frontload out and put it into bleed damage

that would service us better in larger packs anyway

there's a lot of buffs fury could use

[bitter palm]

just increase cap

on ww

fuck instant burst

does not work in modern wow

ur spec will not survive

more than a week with burst like fury had

[red berry]

i dont think going to 8 targets would increase the damage significantly much when we aren't doing great in 5 target niche to begin with

[bitter palm]

ye so u just remove the niche

we keep our prio and st

and we actually hit mobs

[red berry]

design.

[bitter palm]

just keep the ww modifier at 55%

or 50% w/e it is

and make it 7 mobs

so prio+7 mobs

[next ruin]

Maybe it's pull cadency, but last time I did brew as fury, targeted the prios and tunneled them. I struggled to get more than 3m1-3m2 iirc

I might need to watch more videos

[plush zephyr]

Bunch of fury’s in here that have done great in m+ and continue to do so. Saying they’re trolling for playing fury, or any class. Is elitist stupidity.

[somber elk]

can we somehow see if we got the hero track item from delves for the week?

[rancid night]

It depends on pull's can't do much about it.

[earnest canyon]

100%.....I think any spec is fine til you get to like 13s or so, but my max done is 12 and I have no intention on going higher.....people pay way too much attention to tier lists or getting butthurt cos some mass aoe class beat them on a dmg meter in like cinderbrew

[next ruin]

Do you hold roar in those dungeons? I'm never ever holding avatar or reck + ravager. But maybe I should hold roar to squeeze some more aoe damage

[fading sky]

Meh

Just shitter dmg

Wont matter for speed of key

Only look better

[earnest canyon]

I just send it if the pack is like more than 5

not sure if its correct

Everytime I try to game cds on anything I seem to do worse damage.....think its worth if you play with a regular group though

[fading sky]

U have cdr

Just send and forget

Roar isnt particularly strong anyways

[next ruin]

I just do low damage then idk 😔

[plush zephyr]

People forget this shit is a video game and the point is to vibe and have fun. Even at the highest levels.

[rancid night]

Agree, but soon ppl won't get into keys cause of meta. Some opt. To be able to do more aoe if needed would be nice.

[sour frigate]

its hard to time higher keys without good mass aoe

[dense elbow]

Then stop being evil

[earnest canyon]

Sure.....but that doesnt affect me....I dont really enjoy M+ anyway....its just some shite you slog through for gear usually.....

The harder you go in the game, the more you need to min max....thats like any game really

[lean tiger]

am i just bad in m+ or is warrior underperforming, i have 664 and can't get more then like 2.8M DPS at the end of the key

[plush zephyr]

Bro warrior could be top dps everything and “meta” probably still wouldn’t get invites

[bitter palm]

it would get invites trust me

[rancid night]

Don't agree ppl don't care what u play if it looks good on the charts.

[willow patrol]

a warrior in a phys group is absolutely bonkers, but a warrior with 2 caster dps is not as bonkers

also being able to spell reflect something is almost like a 25 sec kick on some stuff

[rancid night]

Some more info on the key? U should be able to do more usually.

[sour frigate]

depends on the key and yes fury isnt good now

[lean tiger]

it was meadery +13, just looks so bad the other two DPS where at 4mio DPS felt like dead weigtht

[sour frigate]

U could do better there

[dense elbow]

2.8m overall in meadery aint halfbad. Tho, you shouldnt care much about the overall, just check if you crushed the bosses. I bet you did

[lean tiger]

my DPS was close to the other 2 DPS but i was still in third 💀

am i allowed to post my Damage breakdown here? Maybe there is something sticking out im doing wrong

[warm crag]

you will be in violation of rule 3 (no bragging)

(this is a joke just send it)

[lean tiger]

(sry for the german abilty names)

[warm crag]

Toben

[sour frigate]

damage breakdown shows nothing

[cursive quiver]

Gebrüll xd

[lean tiger]

ty for taking a look at it tough

[remote bobcat]

what are u talking about? in meadery everyone should be 3mil+, people have 2.8m in theater of pain my g

[rancid night]

Maybe bit overuse of RB in aoe 1,5% on roar feels weird it is usually higher maybe talent issue or u didn't use it bad weap ench for m+ it's minor but adds up beside that dunno

[oblique trail]

1.5% is just the initial hit my friend

The actual dot did 5.5%

(The dot being the important part of roar)

[sour frigate]

The enchant wont do like 500-700k overall diff either

[dense elbow]

Last time I checked, 2.8m would put you close to the top of the bar. But, are you talking details only active DPS, or actual DPS of the key overall?

As I know quite a few see active DPS as the chosen metric they judge things on.

Time to check the logs

[rancid night]

Sorry douch got me 😂

[dense elbow]

snapshot, but meh

[clever belfry]

@oblique trail ballnezi real lore?

[dense elbow]

2.8 looks fine to me

[sour frigate]

details and warcraftlogs numbers are diff

[oblique trail]

@clever belfry ballsda real lore?

[clever belfry]

real

[remote bobcat]

2.8 is slacking

[dense elbow]

I know, why I asked him to clarify

[rancid night]

Wont but little stuff tend to add up just sayng what I see and what is visible from the post

[remote bobcat]

there isnt a lot of fury's in brew so that rank is deceptively high

[dense elbow]

Fair, and compared to other classes it is super poop

what is your point here?

[sour frigate]

not with the enchantment lol

90% of damage is on ur rotation

[remote bobcat]

my point is that if you're below this in a brew 13, you're slacking

[dense elbow]

Remove the arms

[remote bobcat]

no

[dense elbow]

Aight, then add every other spec and class

[remote bobcat]

you can't tell a warrior to just pick another class

but you can make him not slack

by going arms

or playing better as fury

[dense elbow]

If he asks how is doing, and he says 2.8m as Fury, you bringing out arms or pwarrior is quite irrelevant. At least I would hope you would agree to that.

Sure, he could play better, but that is so many moving parts we talking about. We dont know if it was the tank, the player, or what not. But, we know that 2.8m isn't dreadful, it is up there. It isnt peak, but that isnt what was asked.

[remote bobcat]

2.8 is slacking

as warrior

[dense elbow]

Aight, we doin' this

No u

[remote bobcat]

facepalm

if the tank moves slow, that enables the fury to perform even better

if the tank moves fast with lots of big pulls, it's harder to fury to outperform his teammates

but he will still gain significant dmg

which improves the overall

the only reason that fury is below 3mil

is because you slacked

or wipes

or tank is complete dog

[next ruin]

Not really, you might perform better comparatively but you'll have lower overall

[remote bobcat]

like unimaginable levels of dog

[remote bobcat]

thats what i meant

The obvious play is to go arms if you care about success more than just playing succesful as fury

but regardless

[dense elbow]

You want to see something that is a lot worse - it is so bad you actually hate to see it?

[remote bobcat]

my warrior alts

[dense elbow]

This made me sader than I expected

Please buff Slayer and OF, so the good guys play it

[remote bobcat]

i mean

[next ruin]

Noxiv is popping

[remote bobcat]

OF sucks because no synergy

[dense elbow]

OF sucks cause it aint doing enough dam to be worthwhile

[remote bobcat]

it doesnt do enough dam to be a talent allllllll the way at the bottom

it cant compete

[dense elbow]

Noxiv is doing giga, but he aint playing Slayer. He went full Thane I am pretty sure

[remote bobcat]

but the OF button itself is kinda swag

[remote bobcat]

yea of course lol

[next ruin]

Yes he does thane in every key

[remote bobcat]

slayer is unplayable

at his key levels

[dense elbow]

I believe it

[gleaming siren]

Rav Slayer Rav Slayer Rav Slayer

(Don't do this)

[dense elbow]

I done it, it didnt work out well

[remote bobcat]

Rav slayer = spam bloodthirst all day

triple reap proc in one

hella swag

[gleaming siren]

Reap the Storm gamba

Instead of Thunder Blast gamba

[next ruin]

Still below any other class

[remote bobcat]

yea ofc

slayer sucks

or well

yea

[next ruin]

The high roll is lower than ele low roll..

[dense elbow]

Slayer is alright, just aint optimal. For most ppl it does the job and well.

[next ruin]

Tried slayer in a top12 yesterday and damage felt so low

[dense elbow]

Just in case some lurkers in here want to play Slayer, but don't, cause it isnt the best.

[next ruin]

But noxiv playing thane in brew and floodgate shows that the lieutenant cleave still works in those keys

[ruby tundra]

do I stack up on haste?

[warm crag]

maybe, you should sim it

[sour frigate]

[dense elbow]

[ruby tundra]

I dont like simming

[warm crag]

why not

[next ruin]

It consumes a lot of electricity

It kills the planet

[oblique trail]

You will not like our answer then either

[bitter palm]

i might swerve bend that corner whoaaa

[ruby tundra]

its confusing and never got to understand it

[bitter palm]

its basically

a bot executing the rotation perfectly 15000 times for 5 minutes each

and telling u whats the highest dps

[tidal kindle]

Buddy 20k wow players simming their char won't make a difference

[ruby tundra]

yea but the process of doing it

[tidal kindle]

In the trajectory our planet is headed

Stop cope

Just sim

[bitter palm]

arma simming 150 million iterations for dks for tww tho

[ruby tundra]

[bitter palm]

locally

[tidal kindle]

0 diff

[bitter palm]

chatting

[tidal kindle]

Everyone simming their char for an expac is prob the same energy expenditure as 1 car

(Numbers out of my ass btw)

[oblique trail]

Honestly it can seem a bit daunting at first, but there should be either written or video guides to help understand it better

The most basic thing to learn is top gear, and at least replacing enchants and gems

[tidal kindle]

Critcake has a sim video p sure

[oblique trail]

And top gear itself will also be your best friend on raidbots

[tidal kindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELbq8bdMlvY&ab_channel=Critcake

[bitter palm]

https://youtu.be/ELbq8bdMlvY?si=iipvpGWS6zpMfrfc

[tidal kindle]

Boom

Slow noober

Get old-checked

[bitter palm]

?

[ruby tundra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELbq8bdMlvY&ab_channel=Critcake

[oblique trail]

Ye ok did you get paid to promote him

[bitter palm]

never even watched the video

[tidal kindle]

L noober + slow + photoshopped

[bitter palm]

but its good 100%

[tidal kindle]

Maybe that's why you were slow, too busy photoshopping

[ruby tundra]

ty people

[tidal kindle]

[bitter palm]

🥀

top gear is goated now that i dont have to fucking craft an item string

and can just add an item through ui

[earnest canyon]

very vague and wide ranging question: What sort of overall damage is good for cinderbrew 11?

[tidal kindle]

Anywhere from 2.5 to 5m overall

Too many variables

Comp, pulls, gear, party skill, deaths, are you a bee-er

[earnest canyon]

whats a bee-er

[tidal kindle]

Bee boss

Are you the one doing all the bee barrels

[earnest canyon]

oh

usually

i think even on an 11, some people dont know some boss mechanics

[warm crag]

aside from all the responses you got already, it genuinely is set up to be very "game"-ey on raidbots

like you legit just paste in the string, click the funny pictures of the gear you have/want and it will spit smth out

[mossy fox]

hey i know that guy

[errant path]

No u dont

[bitter palm]

is prestacking cd and colossal might still a thing

like 2-3 dummies then enter key

[tidal kindle]

@mossy fox did 7800 to 9800 give you noticeable fps boost btw

[mossy fox]

y

[remote bobcat]

you make better thumbnails now

i'd go as far as calling them goated

now

[mossy fox]

7950x3d to 9950x3d, yes

[tidal kindle]

O did you never have the 800xdds

[mossy fox]

ty ive been putting more effort into them

[tidal kindle]

Need a cricketcake thumbnail.....

https://tenor.com/tWYznkiXaRw.gif

[remote bobcat]

may i give you a youtube meta suggestion

[mossy fox]

oh dear

[bitter palm]

prolly worth doing in like cinderbrew

prolly worth doing in most dungs unfortunately

[next ruin]

If you play fury you don't need to prestack 😊

Prestacking thunderblast stacks
Imagine

[dense elbow]

My only problem with Crits vids, is that he doesnt do a call to action. How am I supposed to know to subscribe or like?

[opaque sun]

I finish watching the vid and always think wow I liked that too bad I don’t know how to see his vids more often

[strong hazel]

He also needs to looked shocked in the thumbnail

Like he just won the lottery or something

[earnest canyon]

You guys know of any addon that shows who u grouped with? I was in a really good grp, got a lot of lag, then a bsod, then I had to reboot....came back in and i was out of the group

I wanted to apologise to the guy whose key it was

details data was from the previous run, diff grp

[crystal pond]

GUYS I JUST GOT SOME HUGE IDEAS TO MAKE FURY GREAT AGAIN!
They said that they wanted to bring back the meaning of odyns fury being a Real cooldown like it was in Legion? Easy! GIVE BONE GRINDER BACK TO FURY AFTER USING BLADESTORM INSTEAD OF BLOODTHIRST PROCS!
then we can use our lovely Slayer Tree that all fury warrior players love to go ZuggZugg with Bladestorm! (and also take away the target cap from it so we can compeete with other classes, i have seen the top 1 M+ fury warrior player doing a 17 (if im not wrong) Brewery and he was behind the tank for most of the pack time! doing max 12M dps.
That way both Bladestorm and Odyns fury will be Great again!
Another thing, Our "Execute" hits way less then any other skill, it feels like we are hitting the mobs with a napkin at our "Execute Fase) when we use execute, i would add Shadowlands skill, Condemn adding to the ! and instead of having 2 talents for ww giving 2 or 4 stacks of cleave (WHY THE FUCK WE HAVE TO SPEND 2 POINTS TO CLEAVE IF THERE IS NOT A SINGLE CHANCE THAT WE WILL PUT ONLY 1 POINT AND ONLY CLEAVE FOR THE NEXT 2 SKILLS +.+) We can have a talent that does both.
Well sorry for the little rage, here are some ideas for the Talent tree 😈

sry if im being anoying its just some ideas and i would really like to see fury shine with big pulls again

Big boys that know and understand about this shit and ballance, it would be really fun to know some feedback, even if its just trash talk

[dense elbow]

They said that?

[crystal pond]

wasnt it? maybe it was in dragonflight

i remember something like that but i guess it was last expansion where they made odyns fury boost the bt in 150%

[dense elbow]

Also, please dont advocate for any hurricane jr. effects.

Just let bladestorm do the damage itself

[crystal pond]

well.. in MT tree they actually almost did the same but i think its 120%/130% increase dmg at execute window, our BT hits from that extra all together

[young swan]

psure they said that after they nuked titans torment

and then did nothing to buff OF

[warm crag]

did you end up adressing the allegations?

[crystal pond]

it would be more to make bladestorm boost odyns fury and not wirlwind with bonegrinder

[sour frigate]

yes right before turning it into shit

[young swan]

what allegations

[crystal pond]

and take out the bladestorm cap, its ridiculouse

[next ruin]

They say X then do nonX. They just find people to say things that sound great in bluepsots. It has 0 value

[dense elbow]

Nah, they said they wanted to have Odyn's Fury be a signature ability for Fury. Nothing like being a "real cooldown like in Legion"

[crystal pond]

that was the idea that i had

[sour frigate]

I liked sl moment where bs was actual burst for fury due to signet thingy

[crystal pond]

signature ability its saying that you must use it

[dense elbow]

I still dont understand what you mean fixes OF in that textblorb tho

[crystal pond]

🤤

[sour frigate]

Its simple

Give of devo treatment

[dense elbow]

Go on

[oblique trail]

The allegations of being Fr*nch

[sour frigate]

Odyns Fury damage increased 50%

[young swan]

i think having 2 diff capstone talents that directly interact like that is a bad idea generally speaking, there are easier ways to just make OF good without having it rely on BS

[dense elbow]

50% per stack, 10 times, at current tuning?

[crystal pond]

when you use bladestorm it ends, you get bonegrinder that boosts in 50/100/150% what ever, but only odyns fury

you just add another option

1 stack thats it

[dense elbow]

So after BS your next OF is buffed?

[crystal pond]

like arms has

[sour frigate]

It took few 20% to 50% for devo to do actual damage xd

[crystal pond]

yeah

[dense elbow]

I hate the idea of making OF bound to a new TT, after TT finally went away

Just let OF be its own button that does dam

[sour frigate]

^

[crystal pond]

but now its useless wasting talent points to fetch Odyns Fury

[dense elbow]

It is only useless cause tuning

[crystal pond]

yeah ik

[sour frigate]

I mean fury isnt combo class need some buttons for straight out burst i agree

Like ret has 3 bursts in one fucking button

[crystal pond]

i tryed a build of slayer with Thunderous roar and odyns fury and all the bleed ups and the burst is the same as MT or a bit less but then theres no more dmg, stays always at least 500k dps behind

[young swan]

yeah roar sucks

[dense elbow]

Well, cause the base dam is too low and the amps are far too small to impact that powerlevel

[crystal pond]

"roar is uncap" sounds like a cat who just got ran over

you just look at them and feel sadness

[dense elbow]

Why? 3% of your overall is huge, or 1.5% on ST

giga button

[crystal pond]

xD

[dense elbow]

I am sure they gonna buff OF by 200% soonish, dont worry. Just gotta stay strong

[sour frigate]

💪

[dense elbow]

[crystal pond]

but the condemn thing would be fun to have again aswell, execute doent hit for shit aswell, if you guys make a build full execute with no "mandatory" talents on Raging blow, raging blow will hit more in all the Top and low NOrmal hits and Critical Hits

[dense elbow]

If you increase the amount of executes and range we can execute, the lower the power of the ability itself going to have.

[sour frigate]

iirc condemn hit even less than execute

[crystal pond]

but at least you are going to press it

and if it extends your recklessness

coud be another way to make us use execute

[sour frigate]

sd makes rampage free and deal 50% more dmg profit

[young swan]

the actual bleed is shit too

the entire ability does less dam than a raging blow

[dense elbow]

It is great for PvP to get rogues stuck in combat, gotta stay positive and look at the bright side

[young swan]

no

[crystal pond]

i remember in shadowlands, 3rd season that you went with recless abandon and you coud extend the recklessness in full single target for 1.5min to have recklessness again

[dense elbow]

I kinda dont think blizz want another world where reck uptime becomes all the time again

[next ruin]

Do people still delay roar for when avatar is over in ST?