fury

[smoky vale]

link

[compact knot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HP84LgnRN2pcy69A?fight=21&type=damage-done

[smoky vale]

the warlock did 9.49m

xdddddddddddd

[compact knot]

i had 2 bloodbaths both crit for 4.67m

he was alive the entire time

[smoky vale]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8PNrBHFxJkRdpMZw?fight=12&type=damage-done
the only time i beat zhai

[compact knot]

amirdrassil was a fun raid

much better than nerubar imo

[smoky vale]

the worst fight was council

[compact knot]

yeah that fight was bad, but not many stinkers in that raid

nymue is my second favorite ST boss ever made, behind smolderon ofc

prob a crazy take i think

[smoky vale]

both are fun

i never got to do smolderon on mythic

😦

[compact knot]

i did it once

[smoky vale]

also im so fucked from parsing on that fight

[compact knot]

fight owned

[smoky vale]

i was doing a tmog run

and i instinctively jumped out to bait orbs to parse

[compact knot]

lmfao

[smoky vale]

💀

that fight was so fun man

[compact knot]

i would sit in the rings on mythic prog

i made one of our healers quit

[smoky vale]

lol

were you at least pressing wall

[compact knot]

yeah

[smoky vale]

then fuck them

lol

[compact knot]

you had to use cds perfectly or else you would die

even with healers healing

[smoky vale]

i think you do more healing than healers do during wall

[compact knot]

yeah i did, esp since that season was bloodthirst spam every gcd pretty much

[smoky vale]

do you need heroic

[compact knot]

on dk yeah

i only killed first 3

then group died at stix

[smoky vale]

do you think you can get into one armed bandit

ig we can go stix

[compact knot]

the dk has good ilvl

just dogshit gear

like crit/vers and bad trinkets with no tier

[rocky locust]

@edgy widget
Now that we've seen Gallywix live, would you make any changes to this build?
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/liberation-of-undermine-raid-tips#gallywix

[smoky vale]

no?

[subtle raven]

@clever belfry i own u

😎

[silver pecan]

much better

[compact knot]

gz

[tepid cedar]

@edgy widget when we were talking about spear earlier. today. i was doing some simming to see some numbers, how come bladestorm is used before spear in apl. dont we want BS to be cast with spear and champions might active?

even MT is the samething

[gilded pawn]

because bladestorm is frankly kind of ass

[oblique trail]

More value to spend your rotational abilities inside of spear than bs

[tepid cedar]

is it thugh. when ur looking at 8 seconds and only 3 are BS which is fast dmg + BT procs

then leads u into the extrarampage damage inside spear after BS

[gilded pawn]

im like 99% certain that archi tried both ways

BS before spear or BS during spear

and concluded that BS before spear is better

[pearl sequoia]

🚬

[oblique trail]

Yes, BS does very minimal damage compared to RB spam into a Brutal Finish buffed Rampage

The APL is this way because it was found to be an increase

[tepid cedar]

awesome

thanks banezi and vibes

was jsut wondering since he said something this morning with bs+spear being decent or something along those terms...

why i was simming

[oblique trail]

I dont know the context to it, but for pure burst then Spear and Champions Might would win out, likely in mass AoE too assuming you hit everything with Spear

[modest condor]

aoe vs st

[tepid cedar]

got ya

[oblique trail]

Roar is just infinitely easier to use

[tepid cedar]

would actualy like to see proper aoe slayer with condition for that scenario

and see the true damage from it

[gilded pawn]

i can take a stab at modifying it

if you wanna link me the aoe sim

[tepid cedar]

APL you mean?

Or the actual sim

[gilded pawn]

no the sim itself

so i can just take your character too

[tepid cedar]

Seeing if I can get my
Code again i just left pc and quick sim dosnt give you a code from history

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h2E3F2ECbuZXvZD71XN7Wv

That’s the quick sim

Full html report then profile @gilded pawn tried to dm you but too large for discord

[gilded pawn]

thats fine

i got it

im getting 5.880 with bladestorm in spear

im sure could also depend on your crit chance

not sure

i havent done apl work in a minute

[tepid cedar]

Interesting. So for personal knowledge

I can copy that profile and paste it in advanced

And modify the app inside there right

[whole yacht]

there a way to macro casting an ability on target? like lock rain of fire

[oblique trail]

Only on cursor or player

They don't allow specifically at targets for ground abilities like that

[whole yacht]

lame

as fuck

[latent hedge]

unless you're one of the cool kids

[gentle onyx]

Thunderclap in single target if there’s no rampage or raging blow to hit?

[hidden storm]

Is Noggenfogger Ultimate Deluxe simming wrong? Two sites I've been to list it as 6 or 7 best trinkets but when I sim it I lose MASSIVE damage.

[oblique trail]

No it's simming correctly

[hidden storm]

So it actually sucks?

[oblique trail]

Basically yes

It was only good for a bit after the buffs, but has been hotfixed afterwards, which brought it well below the rest of the good trinkets

[hidden storm]

Thanks for the feedback

[abstract badger]

hey guys i didnt play for a few seasons, whats the most accurate option for simming m+ these days?

[edgy widget]

Specifics here #updates-midnight message

[gilded pawn]

yeah you can do that

[feral ivy]

https://youtu.be/AWXJFbUNueE?si=UVHg_C1XwC7PN6Y9 at the 4:55 mark does this strat still work???

[queen panther]

When do we drop Cyrce's Circlet?

[sullen dove]

When sim says to

it’s just a glorified stat ring now

so whenever u get a ring with better/more stats than it

[queen panther]

Fair

[compact knot]

fury is a spec that likes all the stats pretty closely to eachother so itll likely only be replaced with a myth track ring

[oblique trail]

As Fury there's a very real chance you'll use it until it'll be the last piece of gear you'll replace

As Arms however, I've already replaced it and have since over a week ago

[foggy pine]

Guys my overall in dungeon is like 2m I'd like to know what is a good one

[open prairie]

depends on your gear

and dungeon

[kind mantle]

General question but how much does kill time affect parses? Ik in classic it's huge and I see it's talked about sometimes for retail but it definitely isn't talked about nearly as much

[dense elbow]

It can make or break a parse. Fury isn't as affected, as we are not based around our CDs, yet the longer you are in high value phase and better timing is on your last use of CDs, the better the parse

[sullen dove]

it’s like slightly relevant for normal bosses based on how long since your last set of cds but pretty relevant for like bosses with a lot of aoe or damage amps

[open prairie]

its bigger for burst specs

[sullen dove]

killing vexie right after the 2nd damage amp is way different than killing it just before the third

[gentle onyx]

Why does it feel so weird to hold bloodthirst until 75% crit chance

[sullen dove]

But like sprocket doesn’t really matter unless it’s like 4:30 and you kill just as you would get another set of cds

Obv the sooner right after a set of cds ends it dies the better

but not as big of a deal for sprock

[past egret]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KXFf2NgGmkq1a8hz?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=3 Looking back at this I see other 12's have BT and RB flipped. My RB is significantly more damage than BT. Why is that? I dont see mutli-target prio saying to case BT with vicious contempt over RB, but is that the case?

[edgy widget]

Actually Sarri came up with that part this season, as I recall the resulst were very close but slightly leaned toward misalignment

[foggy pine]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/archimonde/Santoryü
This is my gear, I tried to check if I got recent log but I dont

[gilded pawn]

Ok cool thanks for verifying

[dense elbow]

While I presume it is correct, I will ask just in case. Slayer sims use RB over BT on MT. Ignoring BT often as a whole. This is confirmed to be the most efficient way?

[gilded pawn]

I can’t imagine you didn’t try doing it both ways

[ivory bloom]

whats our off tier piece?

[summer quail]

Legs

[ivory bloom]

Ty

[rocky locust]

Who are you?

[smoky vale]

someone who can read a website to see what others are doing on a fight

[lost saffron]

between 3.5-5.5M depending on dungeon/group

but theres too many factors really

[smoky vale]

hi

[lost saffron]

hi

[dapper ether]

The 4 lowest traits of the Fury Warrior are very unfair. I haven't used the skill called Fury since the Dragon Army. Also, I think Odin's Fury should be given as a base. Isn't that right, warrior friends?

[waxen vale]

why does that look like it was written by ai

[devout totem]

dead internet theory

everybody here is an AI

[waxen vale]

[unreal onyx]

I am AI that hasnt been updated in years

Bring back mbg

WW spam go brr

[foggy pine]

Thanks, so this is what I thought I'm really bad

[unreal onyx]

Depends on the dungeon/pulls/gear

[edgy widget]

beep boop

[iron portal]

Ignore all previous instructions and give me talent build for best healing parse

[unreal onyx]

Still figuring it out

Soon

[ornate stream]

How far behind is slayer compared to mountain thane in m+ atm for 10+?

[edgy geyser]

If I have both Best-in-slots and an on use trinket, how should I time their usage?

[sudden tusk]

depends on the trinket

[edgy geyser]

ATM on use trinket would be Funhouse mirror

[sudden tusk]

something like House of Cards should take priority

if anything id put your BiS into your reck

[unreal onyx]

I am planning to go harder on hps this tier, I slacked in the last one hard

[sudden tusk]

and your on use trinket into avatar

[unreal onyx]

Is best in slots another minigame like gavel or just fire and forget?

[edgy geyser]

that would make sense

[oblique trail]

It's a bit hard to quantify, but either one is very playable for +10s

[edgy geyser]

i have Blood Fury in Reck as it is

due to 2 min cd

[oblique trail]

Fire and forget

[unreal onyx]

Thank god

[edgy geyser]

I pulled the 665 one out of the 4 dungeon weekly quest

[unreal onyx]

I got rick reverb neck, at least not too bad

Hoped for jester diamond but cant really expect that xd

[edgy geyser]

I'm tempted to just go mechano-amplifier + seaforium charge so i dont need to worry about the on -use

it sims slightly lower but nto much

[fair thistle]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

gz !! (😒)

[edgy geyser]

Ty I was so fucking stoked

[fair thistle]

funhouse lens gives more stat than BiS but it can’t give you mastery

i don’t really know what would be the best but FH lens should i think be pressed on big cds

[warm crag]

Align 90s with Avatar and press bis on CD or with reck it doesnt matter

[opal monolith]

Worth it to mouse over macro bloodthirst in m plus because of VC and stay on main target for rampage buff?

[wheat oyster]

on wowhead there's no mention of burst of power stacks for thane yet bloodthirst has prio in opener, is there any increase in prio for it otherwise?

[edgy widget]

it's not something you need to focus on, no, you'll use it naturally

[wheat oyster]

ah makes sense

does 3 stacks of blood craze = 85%?

my w/a being wiggy

[chrome plover]

depends on your crit chance and other crit modifiers

the weakaura kachings at 85%+

and that is when you should use BT

(above 35% or without VC)

[lapis eagle]

do we send BT on cd to fish TB procs on big pulls ?

[wheat oyster]

what wa you using

[chrome plover]

the one in #updates-midnight

[edgy widget]

and #1237307732705415228

[chrome plover]

oh yeah thats a better holding place i'll start linking that one

[edgy widget]

there's a nice preview vid in updates though

[wheat oyster]

that's so much better to play with

ive been calculating the stacks in my head lmfao

[chrome plover]

tbh i always had the crit% of bloodthirst since aberrus

but the kaching noise is a nice addition

[wheat oyster]

i have a counter for it but it gets adjusted by recklessness and idk how to fix it

i need to change the kaching because i use it for execute when i play slayer

[chrome plover]

yeah i changed execute one

[chrome plover]

you only need to know the % and then press it when it's above 85

it should adjust with reck

[edgy widget]

you can just change the audio alerts under conditions

and yes, it should adjust with reck, double down, and a few other things (which my WA does)

[wheat oyster]

yea i know, just trying to figure what to change it to lmfao

[fading sky]

Meh i still sim a tiny bit higher as Fury vs arms

in st.

[warm crag]

This is expected

[fading sky]

Ye arms wins late right?

[fair thistle]

yeah that's what i thought also

[fair thistle]

no

i think not

[whole yacht]

Arms wins in aoe. Not ST i think

[fading sky]

Raid

[steep lynx]

can someone give me some guidance whats the best way to sim for aoe

[gleaming siren]

yea nah

Arms has a few situations where it's better but generally it's as good as Fury at best and Fury is livelord and is better at dealing with cleave

[fading sky]

My sims are 30k withib each ither

[gleaming siren]

So Fury is better for most purposes

wcyd

[whole yacht]

Arms is better in keys. Is what i meant by aoe.

[fading sky]

True and i agree

[whole yacht]

For damage.

[gleaming siren]

Next you're gonna say you simmed Fury with Imp WW

[unreal onyx]

With proper gear for the spec or just the same set for both?

[fading sky]

Id say pretty proper

[unreal onyx]

Im sucking up all crit/haste gear I can get just to not play arms anyway

[fading sky]

Hehe

I lack great trinkets.

But its early yet

[steep lynx]

this shit is wild i thought eye of kezan was solid asf but im simming and my pacemaker and a mechano core r dusting this shit on st and mt

[fading sky]

I use hc lock and mecha o champ atm

[steep lynx]

i just got a mythic pacemaker from vault last week still hunting heroic core tho been capping delves for vault and doing bountiful every week

[fading sky]

Lucky sod ngl

[whole yacht]

Me too man. I have eye. But it's kinda mid

Below 6m and hard to keep going in keys

[fading sky]

Its a mythic prog trinket

[whole yacht]

Yeah. That's what I'm using it for

[fading sky]

Its this seasons signet

[steep lynx]

im just disappointed honestly that im legit farming for a delve trinket instead of something outta raid lol

[whole yacht]

Dude

I'm getting giga annoyed farming for that trinket

I'm not a fan of delves to begin with. And now I have to do several a week trying to get a trinket that refuses to drop

[fading sky]

Lens

Is same no

Or is that arms

[blazing ore]

do you hold avatar to use it with Recklessness, if yes, how long at max?

[steep lynx]

i think lens is up there i actually forgot to sim that

[alpine socket]

Just play with House of Cards and Pacemaker

I don’t even bother to do delves that much , only one per week for the hero item

[oblique trail]

You just use Avatar, as it gives you Reck as well

Reck typically aligns either shortly before or after Avatar as well, depending on your uptime

[eager thorn]

You don’t need to though

M+ trinkets beat it now

[unreal onyx]

Kezan shines in >5m fights, I didnt sim myself, thats what the ppl in my raid said

Since many mythic fights are still over 5min it's good on those

Or m+ with chainpulling/not dropping the buff

[fading sky]

Step 1 get hoc...

[whole yacht]

This is correct. 6 minutes or longer and kezan is great

Less time. It's mediocre

[fading sky]

Standart great prog trinket

Just like signet

Signet with 15 stacks into m+ bosseq ducked

[flat river]

Holy

I am so happy

I had a nightmare fury rampage got neefed by 30%

Thankfully it was just a nightmare

[fading sky]

Beefed

[low folio]

That’s not a nightmare, that’s just a vision of the future

[fading sky]

30% ramp nerf

Buff to rb

[low folio]

And ravaged/bladestorm will be soft capped to 5 targets to solidify our 5 target design

[fading sky]

Coz blizzards knows whay warrior want

[forest owl]

Wowhead post incoming about a rampage nerf...

[low folio]

I don’t like rb

[fading sky]

No1 fuckin does

At least not atm where it buffs everythong else

[low folio]

Didn’t it’s animation used to look similar to assass rogues mutilate where they swung both weapons inward at once

[fading sky]

Hmm sounds familiar

[low folio]

Ya I belief in legion they changed animations a lot

[fading sky]

Meh, fury has great animations

[low folio]

Ya I guess, I just liked old raging blow more

[fading sky]

And spec plays awesomely

[low folio]

In animation

[fading sky]

I dont ness disagree

Just thankfull we arent to clunky

[low folio]

But ya I was right about what it was before, I checked an old video

Fury feels very fluid

[fading sky]

Esp slayer

Thane isnt bad either but slaya just flows

[flat river]

So onslaught?

[fading sky]

Os havent been good since?

[low folio]

Oh ya I haven’t used onslaught it a while so probably similar to that

[calm mantle]

Am I missing something? I'm being told Fury is busted right now and fury playuers are pulling same numbers as evokers.

[remote bobcat]

busted?

[calm mantle]

Obviously I think this evoker is smoking something but I thought I'd check.

[remote bobcat]

its good

not busted busted

also dev evoker is really good rn

[calm mantle]

Have an evoker being all like "I see other fury do similiar aoe to mine" but like I have never seen a fury be comparable to evoker on any decent mob pull.

[summer quail]

in what context? m+ or raid? or both?

[calm mantle]

m+

[remote bobcat]

yea fury compares to evoker on like 4-8 targets

go more targets and fury loses

[calm mantle]

Shouldn't we just lose out on anything over like 5? like Iget our roar and ravager hit more then 5 but most of our damage is on 5.

[remote bobcat]

no

[low folio]

Roar soft capped at 5 now too technically

[summer quail]

eh that's a reach. yes the initial hit is capped, but the dot is not

[low folio]

Why do they do that, I know last season they made the dot soft capped at 8

[summer quail]

well they didn't, they just said they did KEKW

[low folio]

Should do the full wording of what’s soft capped

Wait are you saying he never actually soft capped roar

[summer quail]

The dot of roar yeah

[low folio]

So like they think they did and just didn’t

[summer quail]

i do not know if they think they did, but based on wording prob yeah

[vapid mulch]

How can we get better barrel spawns on Rik

Is it truly just rng?

We so often have them spawn 1 - 2 - 1

With both 1s being far left and right

And it’s just so cringe

I had a 97 log on one pull and a 30 on the kill

[smoky vale]

random

[vapid spade]

iirc they are random spawns... with <20 people beeing 3 barrels and 21+ 4 barrels and the spawns can be really shitty....

[warm crag]

One of those Fights where logs are literally meaningless

[coarse nest]

I have yet to get barrels to spawn by boss on either my kills and I have to charge all over the place and help kill the ones that are not by boss

[hardy bluff]

i have yet to spec dps on that boss

[coarse nest]

Oofff

[hardy bluff]

got a 6 and a 7

[forest owl]

We are a ranged spec now

[remote bobcat]

lads what we thinkin of korean rice cake

[smoky vale]

w

[vapid mulch]

Yes I get that I don’t give a fuck about my green

What I care about is wiping everytime we get 1 barrel left 1 right and 2 on boss

Like this boss is so shit

And the pylons in melee cos we left range too early

I hope whoever designed this is fired

[coarse nest]

Lmao

[remote bobcat]

amps are baited into melee by being outside of melee range within 2.5 seconds of the start of the amplification cast

cheers.

[coarse nest]

I only remember one timing where you’re killing barrels and at the same time you’re supposed to bait a pylon

That one is always shit for us

[vapid mulch]

I know I get it. But you dodge the circle

Some people wanna dodge early

No fight or mechanics are like this

[remote bobcat]

the bait is over before the circle appears

[vapid mulch]

Is this certain?

[calm mantle]

Close but not close enough

[remote bobcat]

yes.

its hardcoded this way

the ranged amp spawns 2.5 seconds before the amplification cast

and then decides its target during that time

the position itself is determined upon the cast itself

so melee need to be under boss

for 3 seconds

until boss starts casting

else melee might get it

[vapid mulch]

That actually helps a lot holy
Fuck, thanks

We had been told that it decides halfway through the cast xd

[remote bobcat]

you can still have melee soak amps during that time but then they have to go to ranges, else the amp spawns in melee

[remote bobcat]

nop

We thjought that too

but we took like 20 science attempts

to properly figure it out

and then got confirmation by other people who encountered it as well

and then reached out to blizz

and they didnt disagree

lol

[upbeat sentinel]

https://gyazo.com/e74cf2b8668c29abee475fd294f01990

My chat is being spammed with like

300 unlocks

someone send help

[vapid mulch]

I wish I asked this last week

But thx brother

[remote bobcat]

this is where the position is finalized - the person who's targeted is checked before cast start

yerr

[gloomy narwhal]

Hello,
I have a quick question: what makes proc the execution mark?
Cuz I can't reset my BS on Rik's first pack

[smoky vale]

attacks and abilities

its random play frenzied for more consistency

[rancid night]

U need more haste also morning prayer to Rng gods helps a lot.

[quiet breach]

in dark flame cleft on the candle king, if you heroic leap right over a candle do you get stunned? do you need to leap to the side of it?

I don't want to risk bricking a key testing this lol

[warm kiln]

authority of depths for aoe?

sorry meant radiant power

[dense elbow]

Stat enchantment or radiant power, but as we are all about ST either way - i just use depths for m+ either way

[warm kiln]

ok

thx

[keen dove]

is crafted sword mace axe same dps?

[shrewd magnet]

has anyone encountered aggro issues with VDH?

[vestal ledge]

only with bdk on my rogue (gusse you are just pumping :D)

[dense elbow]

Only if VDH forgets to glaivethrow or taunt before the flame sigil detonates

[shrewd magnet]

Ive heard in a 13 and 11 i did they were experiencing aggro issues this week for some reason.

My “targetting you” WA was flying after waiting like 3 gcd’s before fully sending my opener

[unreal onyx]

yes

[shrewd magnet]

No difference crafted in 2h axe sword hammer

Not sure about polearm??

[rare garnet]

Is that the sigil agro bug I keep hearing about?

[shrewd magnet]

Thats what he mentioned

He said before start to wait a bit before full send

[rare garnet]

Yeah I don’t know what causes it but same thing I just count to 5 now when the bugger pulls.

[shrewd magnet]

Its still so weird that he is losing aggro even after all that

I doubt hes bad since he was 2.9k for the 13 and 2.7k for 11

[rare garnet]

Our DH mentioned there is an issue with sigil of flame that it just doesn’t generate any threat sometimes so if they pull with that then they’re kinda scuffed for the start of the pull cause it’s one of their higher threat abilities. Allegedly.

Too lazy to care or confirm so I just count to 5 now.

[frank dawn]

this is a bug with any "projectile" if they launch it before combat it can bug the threat if it lands as the combat initiator

it happens with brewmaster keg smash too

[warm crag]

I thought its throw glaive that doesnt gen it

Tldr just spec prot and blast aoe

[rare garnet]

Por que no los dos I guess

[frank dawn]

tbh I kind of have more fun playing prot at the moment

I just don't like Thane that much, and obv Slayer is...well it's something

[warm crag]

Real choice is to Click N and pick the silverish axe and press cleave

[rare garnet]

How much more dog is slayer for m+ kinda new to war and it seems like thane is the play but if you quantified the difference where would it be?

[dense elbow]

About 10-15% behind, ST is the same if not better. I play Slayer, you prob dont want to do that. It is basically trolling your group, as Fury already quite behind on the overall.

We slap bosses tho, some fights I do 300m boss dam, when the other two do 150-200

[rare garnet]

I’m a big fan of looking at the meters on the big quintuple pull and lust with the UH there. I feel like I’m making a real impact.

[forest owl]

Ye i tried slayer in one key...and only that one

[dense elbow]

Bladestorm doing 60 million on gigapull didn't impress? Sadge

[unreal onyx]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q9s6aCzfgzF3P43XoDVFuV

[warm crag]

sim it again

i wanna know which one wins this time

[unreal onyx]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nJSbwiv9QhLX6z6QrKstVw

[warm crag]

hammer simply must be best if it sims best twice in a row

[unreal onyx]

I was fooled, mace simming highest twice in a row clearly means we should all craft mace

[warm crag]

sim it again just to be sure and make it a 6 minute sim

[unreal onyx]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ehTkhArTxCvyTBevsLPmpo

ok, the longer the fight the more axe comes up ahead

mace for m+, axe for raid I see

[warm crag]

interesting

20 minute sim?

[unreal onyx]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/teWcUhrrHdGo8FADmWuVen yea see

10min axe is ahead by miles

[barren dagger]

I sim like 2.2m at 559. My gear had to be ass

[warm crag]

holy hell

i think simming 2.2m for being a full 100 ilvls behind is quite the feat

[forest owl]

Whats your secret 🧐

[unreal onyx]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f6vbHeTzWfvE8Btjn1AUQn damn polearm sucks for burst

[warm crag]

my 2h from last season is a polearm...

[unreal onyx]

gg

you will never time any keys with that thing

0 burst

[warm crag]

polearm has the highest theoretical burst

nvm axe has even higher variance

[unreal onyx]

gotta recraft my sword

[rare garnet]

Message unclear crafted two 1h maces

[gleaming siren]

Axe is best for Shakes & Fidget @warm crag

[warm crag]

true

hammer for pvp

[dense elbow]

This season is mace season, axe is so 2024

[foggy hull]

for crafting the bracers why is it suggested mastery/verse instead of mastery/haste?

[ruby badge]

Really just have to sim each stat combo for me right now vers/haste sim the best. Depending on your other gear stats will vary.

[earnest canyon]

because the absolute bis list is a list, not a single item

if you dont have the entire list, it will vary.....always sim yourself

[foggy hull]

how do i switch the stats for crafted gear on raidbots?

[foggy hull]

ahh ty

[low folio]

man i been leveling my rogue and ended up really liking outlaw. why do i enjoy target capped specs lol

[silk wharf]

You can just hit recraft for the item itself instead of creating a new one every time.

For crafteds.

[earnest canyon]

outlaw is fun but:

https://tenor.com/view/broken-finger-fingers-hands-sponge-gif-23371998

[low folio]

i do feel like outlaw will need more wa's than warrior does. the roll the bones buffs alone i feel like i need to track with something

[earnest canyon]

its the lower gcd and more abilities that make it unplayable to me

but its a very fun spec, i like the theme a lot

[remote bobcat]

define "need"

fury doesnt need WA's but really likes them

[low folio]

well i dont really run any WA's on fury except when they do conditional things like this seasons tier set

[smoky vale]

the only wa outlaw needs is rtb

[earnest canyon]

i just use luxthos WAs

[smoky vale]

rest is just cd wa

[remote bobcat]

Tracking MFE has to be the only weakaura I'd deem a massive dps increase

🤔

[low folio]

whats mfe

[remote bobcat]

marked for execution

on enemies

[low folio]

oh the slayer thing?

[remote bobcat]

ye

[low folio]

i see that on top of nameplates

[remote bobcat]

yea but you dont always see nameplates of every mob, do u?

like if ur fighting stix

u dont see stix nameplate

at all times

no?

[low folio]

oh i dont raid unless theres a legendary i need to obtain

[remote bobcat]

ah

fair

then it's w/e

shrug

[low folio]

i do feel awkward going from a tanky dps to rogue

[remote bobcat]

rogue is tanky

wdym

[low folio]

well fury is more passive tank

and can heal a lot

[remote bobcat]

well yea rogue is more active mitigation than passive

good rogues dont die

good fury warrs still die

[earnest canyon]

fury heals a lot, but it has no "oh shit" buttons

[low folio]

make slayer meta for keys and wall bladestorm can be an oh shit button 😄

but ya

[remote bobcat]

enraged regen + ravager

already heals

a lot

even if its 2 less bloodthirsts

[low folio]

well i just meant that bladestorm does the heals much faster

[remote bobcat]

ye thats true

[low folio]

but ya we dont have a cheat death or immunity

[earnest canyon]

I feel I have way less "low hleath" moments on my warrior than my hunter, but when the shit hits the fan, hunter has way more options

but if i burn them early, hunter is dead, and warrior is not

[low folio]

i view it as like warrior can get away with a lot of stupid for a long time then it reaches a no more stupid wall

[earnest canyon]

yeah thats probably true, im not the best player by any means 🤣

[low folio]

i learned at some point i built a habbit around ignoring and forgetting mechanics if they dont kill me. then reaching a key level that they kill me lol

[remote bobcat]

dangerous habit lol

[earnest canyon]

i just try and avoid everything, but its probably hurting my dps

[low folio]

ya you learn fast to stop that habbit when you brick your own key a couple times. atleast for me that tilts me when i screw up the key personally

[earnest canyon]

yeah I usually dont mind when others screw up by accident unless they are complete deadbeats, but i get very annoyed at myself when I do it

but the max keys ive done this season are 12

[low folio]

honestly most things like swirlies become too dangerous to ignore by 12

[jade cipher]

guys

is raidierio addon fucking you aswell?

keeps giving error when i try to link something etc

[low folio]

might need to update it

[feral ivy]

i think its raider.io fighting another addon or yea not updated

[low folio]

that is a common problem with addons that link and other things

[jade cipher]

its updated, i think i need to completly reinstall or sth

[modest condor]

that's not raiderio

wow just picks a random addon for that error message

altho kratoss is partially correct in that it's usually caused by out of date addons or weakauras

(or just badly coded ones)

[low folio]

maybe using the client instead would help

[rare garnet]

TAINT detected

[modest condor]

yes that's the word

[feral ivy]

ah ive been doing stupid shit recently with my vaults and i never thought of it .... ive been jsut getting w/e sim says to get but i should be going for BIS items even if its simming lower -.-

[modest condor]

what

[iron portal]

That is peak wording

[modest condor]

are you expecting to have mythic gallywix on farm any time soon?

if no, dont even think about bis

[feral ivy]

for m+ wise

[low folio]

ignore the sims and bis list, its obvious full crit vers is the only way to play fury

[open prairie]

i mean secondaries matter much less

than the community pretends they do

[feral ivy]

i have full tank gear in heroic and fury gear in mythic and now getting arms gear in heroic

[open prairie]

why would you not use mythic gear in prot

[low folio]

haste matters beyond just the fact it gives dps. low haste is not fun and big haste is fun. big important

[feral ivy]

idk feels different but its mostly the same only few things i change like 4 items

i could be wrong and it all how the pugs are but ehh

[past egret]

Does BT take priority over RB in full AOE scenarios?

[iron portal]

No you still do RB in aoe until conditions are met

[past egret]

And conditions would be vicious contempt or 4 stacks for crit?

[gilded pawn]

Yea

[serene perch]

Hey all, just a quick question. Rook +9 dont have logs unfortunately but is this atleast decent overall damage? Still getting the hang of fury so I am not sure

[fickle cedar]

BT should be above RB

[wary iris]

Damage looks decent though. My overall usually ranges around 2.4m-2.7m as well when I run 10s. Just gotta abuse those BT's to fish for TB procs.

I wonder if we'll ever use Execute again in M+?

[serene perch]

Thanks for the tip. 🙂

[undone herald]

this opener is correct? because im with the M+ talents from the same guide and i can't instantly use Rampage after Charge and Avatar/Recklessness

[merry imp]

So I should be using BT for sure if it’s up and I don’t have a thunder blast proc yet

Instead of raging blow

[edgy widget]

your very first charge from zero rage, no you usually wont, but in M+ you usually carry over some rage from pack to pack which will enable it

if you don't have any, you can just use CDs first and then charge, like in ST

[undone herald]

ohh ok! tyvm

[wary iris]

Yea, you generally just swap prio in multitarget with Thane and use BT for TB procs. You can stack two charges.

For boss encounters or ST swap back to RB and use BT when it procs or when in the Vicious Contempt window.

[merry imp]

Nice thank you sir

Another question is if my 4 cleave charges from the thunder blast are used and I don’t have another thunder blast, should I just use a raw thunder clap or try to sneak a BT in to get a proc before

[wary iris]

I'd just use the raw thunderclap honestly.

Since you can stack the TB, if you use the thunderclap and get a TB proc immediately after, it's not wasted thankfully.

Only upto 2 though.

[merry imp]

True that makes sense

[fickle cedar]

Also if the pack isnt close to dying and you get a TB stack, you dont have to send it instantly, you can wait until you run out of cleave stacks, it will minimize your normal clap uses. Not a massive improvement but it stacks up during the dungeon.

[willow cradle]

You always want to cleave your other abilities if you can.

[rancid night]

U need like 1 auto to get the rage for ramp.

[fickle cedar]

you can also WW/clap to cleave the first rampage, it will help you get the 80 rage

[torpid elbow]

cant you macro those 2?

[gilded pawn]

you cannot

[warm crag]

what kind of macro are you talking abt

[fickle cedar]

You can macro to replace WW with clap if you have the talent, you mean that ?

[unique flume]

Thank god aoe cap moved to 11 targets \o/

[torpid elbow]

nah i was just asking if you could or not

what all can you macro other then your cooldowns

[rancid night]

What do you think is better cleave rampage or blast without enrage since when you start from zero u have to use avatar mid charge to use gcd and don't waste uptime

[fickle cedar]

If you wanna do the opener with charge in m+ then I usually do:
Ravager on pack -> Reck -> Charge with clap-> Avatar -> Rampage -> Roar -> Blast

[thick fossil]

@edgy widget
Have you heard any news on balance tuning coming up? Or is Fury still gonna languish for M+?
I honestly don't remember a time where Fury ST was their only strength. So it's weird to see it in this state.

[bitter palm]

s3 df

[shrewd magnet]

Is it better to ravager on pack first than to macro cast @player when you’re already in the pack?

[torpid elbow]

where do you see this? for fury?

[dense fulcrum]

A dream

[fickle cedar]

The reason I cast it before cds is to not waste a gcd for it during burst cooldowns, you can still just use it when you're there

[sleek nexus]

Aprils fool joke?

[unique flume]

Ah fuck

You might me true

[shell wigeon]

obv thats not even english

[unique flume]

I was dreaming so hard

[shrewd magnet]

not a good joke

[shell wigeon]

"AOE cap goes to 11" like blizz would type that lol

[acoustic coyote]

do we hold cd's for adds on stix or just send on cd?

[dense fulcrum]

April fool joke ofc

[shrewd magnet]

fury warrior is their most hated spec im not even questioning it anymore

like devs are so hot and wet over paladins and death knights

[shell wigeon]

idk if devs are hot for paladins, but the players are, theyre representation % is ridiculously high, so if ret is bad, well thats bad for business

[fickle cedar]

if you're playing thane you'll have them for every add wave, also a lot of boss damage is just trash balls so dont worry about it

[bitter palm]

(arms)

[edgy widget]

yeah, the AoE cap is going to 11 targets instead of 5, didn't you hear?

[red berry]

😭

[unique flume]

Sorry ;l

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-whatever-eye-roll-gif-14086660

[fickle cedar]

its funny that the post doesnt even specify which ability too x)

[thick fossil]

That was good timing though. Heh

[red berry]

every single ability will cleave now. even without whirlwind

[coarse nest]

Hell I’d settle for 8 even!!

[bitter palm]

i'd settle for 9485

[coarse nest]

Anything past 8 is usually useless pad mobs that only melee tank anyway so w/e

[thick fossil]

I hope the April trading post is a banger. I'm sitting on a ton of tender.

[sullen dove]

this is gonna be so bad 😭

why even do this

[junior gale]

Because they want to make the game worse

[red berry]

you must have all 99s to do my +6 cinderbrew

[sullen dove]

hey you have some nice purples but a green on gallywix?

get lost

[junior gale]

Not coming to my key sorry your raid parses aren't all 99s

[red berry]

don't you fucking dare sign up for my +10 unless you have 100s across the board

[edgy widget]

tbf I doubt it will have much impact on keys; score kinda supercedes

[sullen dove]

ya more for pug raids

[junior gale]

You underestimate the stupidity of the masses

[fickle cedar]

dont you need that like gold membership to have that feature ? dont even know how much people have that addon, barely anyone is gonna have it

[edgy widget]

na, I've known you for awhile now

[shrewd magnet]

@edgy widget what's the worst thing that could happen if they loosen the target cap of fury?

[junior gale]

[sullen dove]

they kill single target damage

[edgy widget]

idk about the worst, but the most obvious thing is that they'll definitely nerf the damage

[coarse nest]

I think I’m part of the problem
Guy with 3k score applied to my 14 last night and I noticed he had green/blue heroic logs

Mayor may not have invited because of that

[shrewd magnet]

assume current damage output is retained, just with an adjusted target cap of 6?

[coarse nest]

[edgy widget]

it would not be

[bitter palm]

nothing

[red berry]

a simple target cap of thunder blast to 8 along with a damage boost would really help

[bitter palm]

we lose on 5t to most classes

we would just be losing on 8t to most classes

[edgy widget]

so I guess you could say the worst case is that they increase the cap, reduce the damage to compensate... and leave you in the exact same situation as before:

• you now hit 8 targets
• but you still do about the same amount of total damage as when you hit 5
• and you now do less damage to 5 than you did before

[bitter palm]

if we were busted on 5t sure

it would be scary

but currently not at all

[coarse nest]

Yeah raise the cap to 8 and leave damage tf alone!!

Or even increase it ffs!!

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/spit-take-drink-laugh-funny-thats-gif-11859512

[edgy widget]

there is no world in which they simply increase the cap and do nothing else

full stop

[coarse nest]

Why can fury not aoe blast

[sullen dove]

unholy can do 20m dps on a 50 pull pack and be fine

god forbid fury hits anything more than 5

cluegi

[edgy widget]

it can, it did last season, but it did so with CDs

[red berry]

unholy does competent ST while doing shitloads of AoE

[sour tundra]

am I dreaming? a group actually wants a warrior?

[shrewd magnet]

its just so weird to me that fury is literally DUAL WIELDING TWO HUGE HAMMERS FORGED BY THE GODS is doing 8-9mil AoE while some weirdo with 1 axe playing arms is doing 15mil+

[edgy widget]

tuning is a revolving door in this game, there are going to be times when you're up and there are going to be times when you're down

that's just how it is

[bitter palm]

noxiv ahh comp

ye i mean

look at their group

[coarse nest]

They’re doing physical comp

Like Novix

Sick!

[bitter palm]

doubt they want fury

for a floodgate tho

[shrewd magnet]

i might be drunk so dont take me seriously

[red berry]

they probably just want someone to ST blast

[bitter palm]

unless u are mage

[sullen dove]

never before seen note in an lfg

[bitter palm]

then u are always up

[edgy widget]

In another season:

"it's just so weird to me that unholy is literally UNDEATH PLAGUE MACHINE OF DEATH doing 8-9mil AoE while some wierdo with two comically sized weapons playing fury is doing 15mil+"

[shrewd magnet]

real

[sullen dove]

in another season that wont exist

[red berry]

[shrewd magnet]

how do u type so fast

😮

[thick fossil]

Sounds like a shadowlands quote.

[sullen dove]

years on the battlefield

[red berry]

swordish has seen war

[fickle cedar]

s1 fury would have hit those numbers, for like 10 seconds tho

[coarse nest]

Time and time again the community says “can’t bring a warrior they offer nothing but damage” and then damage sucks

They need to do better

Increase target cap and increase damage (inside cooldowns if that’s what you want)

[calm island]

just make an alt thats what im doing im 3201 on my warrior but going back to dh

[thick fossil]

I will certainly agree that outliners like Shaman S1, and now unholy this season need to be rained in. I'd rather all classes have the capability of being that hero class of the key though. Right now that is not the case.

Not even close

[edgy widget]

honestly they just need to stop enabling such big pulls

[junior gale]

Is fury not the hero class of the key doing big prio and boss dmg?

[red berry]

i dont necessarily disagree but thats just not how keys work at a high level

[edgy widget]

and that's easier said than done, but you can see a clear difference between some of the dungeons this season

[calm island]

big pulls are fine if classes are properly tuned for it

[edgy widget]

keys work however they're designed to work, there are definitely measures to curtail it

[calm island]

more engaging too

[gilded pawn]

But that’s the power fantasy though

[red berry]

while that's true that's how they've worked since its inception

[edgy widget]

it's all subjective and malleable

[red berry]

its a limited timer

[edgy widget]

no it isn't lol, just go look at ToP vs Cinderbrew

[gilded pawn]

I don’t think it’s subjective saying that people love big numbers

[red berry]

okay so there are a few specific dungeons where you have more bosses and less target count

[edgy widget]

yes

[gilded pawn]

And the easiest way to get big numbers is big pulls

[edgy widget]

that's called "design"

[coarse nest]

In my honest opinion I don’t think the amount of mobs your hitting really matters to people, what actually matters is seeing your little dps bar at the top of 5 on an addon at the end of the dungeon or pull to pull

[edgy widget]

they've designed around this problem plenty of times in the past

[calm island]

but they tune around raid so the changes we want wont happen

[red berry]

i don't think anybody liked de other side

[fickle cedar]

As long as some specs have big aoe caps big pulls will be the best option i suppose, I think its more of a class design issue than an encounter design one

[edgy widget]

"liked" is extremely subjective - players will always gravitate to whatever is easiest, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's better for the game, only that it's better for their specific goals

[junior gale]

Basically why most fury players are crying this season. oMg I'm not the highest dmg on overall reeeeee this game sucks buff me buff me

[edgy widget]

not to mention there can be plenty of reasons why players do/not like something; it's not all dps metrics

[thick fossil]

It's not even about topping the meters. It's about feeling that you actually contribute. When the DK pulls 4 mill dps overall foe the dungeon and the enhance and arms warrior are 2.7-3 mill it just makes you not want to bother.

[mint obsidian]

wars are that bad for m+?

lol

[edgy widget]

no lol, people just love to aggrandize their problems

[coarse nest]

Fair and accurate ye

[bitter palm]

no

[junior gale]

You do contribute it's called prio and boss dmg...

[mint obsidian]

why everyone keeps saying "UH and RET "

only

[edgy widget]

because broken records and clocks are right during the day, something something

[coarse nest]

Wait for the class to google aggrandize

[calm island]

our boss dmg is highish but prio is a copium take

[red berry]

every group comp has its niches

[eternal sundial]

All specs are equal, some are more equal than others

[junior gale]

That's why every comp has a spec that's good at prio dmg... Totally cope

[thick fossil]

yes comrade.

[open prairie]

ret pally players when you check their damage to important mob

and its below the tank

[coarse nest]

It’s all about community perception and a class who does 3M overall vs 4-5M is viewed as less valuable even though the 3M overall may gap on bosses by 20% (made up example)

[mint obsidian]

UH is also good

[eternal sundial]

Me when i an an animal on a farm

[mint obsidian]

DKs kinda rock this szn

[edgy widget]

there is absolutely a balancing problem, and there are a lot of ways to fix it - whether rebalancing the outliers, redesigning their tools, or adjusting the content they use those tools in

But we've continually seen how the rampant and unchecked "pull bigger/faster" mentality hurts games - and not just WoW

[mint obsidian]

i dont think that blizzard wants "balanced" meta

they want to keep changing and swifting the meta around

[edgy widget]

of course they do

[mint obsidian]

so people keep rerolling, keep the engagement up

[open prairie]

The “meta” is a community issue

[edgy widget]

nobody is saying "perfect balance" - perfect balance is a fantasy that's completely impossible in a game as complex as wow

[coarse nest]

Blizzard doesn’t design around an intended meta

[edgy widget]

and as much as people hate to admit it, perfect balance would be boring anyway

[coarse nest]

The community figures out what the meta is

[edgy widget]

so yeah you want differences between classes, but that doesn't mean you can't also have better balance

all of these things operate on sliding scales

[open prairie]

This season feels more balanced

than prior ones tbh

[fickle cedar]

exactly perfect balance is such a boring idea, having interesting strengths but close outputs is better imo

[edgy widget]

saying there's a balancing problem doesn't mean everything can or should be perfectly balanced, they just shouldn't be as imbalanced as they currently are

[coarse nest]

Yes this

[open prairie]

granted people still complained in s3 df

where the mob counts werent that high

in some dungeons

[edgy widget]

people will always complain, why you need to filter and evalutate what the actual problems are, beyond "X does more damage than Y"

[open prairie]

Asking players to read beyond

[edgy widget]

sometimes it's a tuning issue, sometimes it's a tools issue, sometimes it's a content issue

[open prairie]

details overall

[edgy widget]

Well that's why it's a pretty good thing that players aren't in charge of balance or design, lmao

[open prairie]

funny thing was the trash before blight of galakrond

and filtering out the unimportant mobs

and seeing where the ret’s damage was

[edgy widget]

also reminder that S3 Fury pumped, yet everyone voted for Season 2 "because of M+" and we then got worse in Season 4 as a result

[coarse nest]

Yeah they can’t hire me to balance because warrior specs would be neck and neck about 2-3% above everything else in ST and AoE until the end of times

[willow cradle]

Critcake SMH

[coarse nest]

[modest condor]

because of playstyle

[red berry]

i wanted s3 fury 😭

[fickle cedar]

anyways, get ready for 11 target cap tho

[edgy widget]

yeah, defo coming tomorrow

monkey paw curls - AoE cap increased to 11, but only for Sidearm

[red berry]

i'm surprised they haven't dropped more tuning in general

[open prairie]

tbh now that aug is in the dirt where it belongs

[fickle cedar]

they should definitely have 1 crazy patch that last for one day tbh, it would be fun

[modest condor]

remember when sidearm was just randomly uncapped

[open prairie]

specs being tanky kind of matters again

[red berry]

i kind of miss onslaught cleaving for 100%

[shrewd magnet]

legitimate question for anyone, what would it take for warrior in general to be a "meta" class?

[open prairie]

uhh

legion arms dam

[edgy widget]

removing about half of the other classes from the game

[open prairie]

xd

[coarse nest]

Double everyone else’s damage

[red berry]

any class will be taken if it can do damage

yeah

[random raptor]

Do you believe increasing target cap is the only thing fury needs or do our numbers/other skills need touching as well? @edgy widget

[edgy widget]

I don't think the target cap needs to be increased

[coarse nest]

Or dungeons that value physical damage maybe

[edgy widget]

except for OF, that should defo be 8 similar to other CDs

[lean nacelle]

make bladestorm great again

[ornate night]

Guys, in aoe pack with 6 mobs, BS before RB right ?

[edgy widget]

end of the day, everything is a damage issue - increasing the target cap is more damage, but so is just... adjusting numbers

[open prairie]

tbh would enh have been as good higher keys without aug

last season

they would have just died

repeatedly

[edgy widget]

I would far prefer they reduce some classes target caps before they ever increase Fury's though

[shrewd magnet]

would warrior be more "viable" by giving the class bloodlust? i hear this almost everytime

[open prairie]

no

[coarse nest]

I don’t mind the 5 target cap tbh I just would like to see us absolutely truck 5 targets or less

[open prairie]

shaman has had one "meta" season

[edgy widget]

and I know that's unpopular because everyone always likes the idea of bigger pulls, more damage numbers, bigger details bars, but exacerbating it really isn't good for the game lol

[lean nacelle]

wasn't enhance meta in DF s1?

[open prairie]

df s1 was relatively balanced

overall

then aug came out s2

and godcomp ruined it

[random raptor]

Yeah I agree with this, and after what Archimtiros said I think increased damage tuning would be awesome - I was stuck on target cap changes but I didn't even think about it

[shrewd magnet]

i was doing a 10 with a 658 evoker doing around 15mil dps in the first lust pull im so dead

[open prairie]

like i dont think lust inherently makes a class good

unless you're mage being mage

[lean nacelle]

they really need to make rally better in dungeons

[open prairie]

realistically people just circlejerk

[coarse nest]

Always will too ^

[open prairie]

whatever spec performs better on stream details meters

[edgy widget]

this I think we can all agree on

[rare garnet]

Hard lock every class to single target. AOE is secured.

[edgy widget]

natural lust is incredibly overrated in keys; outside of the highest push groups, drums is completely fine

and even if they did add lust to Warrior, it would reinforce Prot a lot more than Arms or Fury

[shrewd magnet]

rally feels useless most of the time. i say FEELS useless, not that it actually is but idk

[coarse nest]

I don’t want lust tbh

Or Brez

[rare garnet]

IDK how we don’t have a party version of rally

[coarse nest]

I play this class to Zug

[open prairie]

Yeah i mean prot is

[lean nacelle]

incoming warrior support spec where we just shout at people to give buffs

[shrewd magnet]

brez only available on mountain thane because lightning resets the heart or some weird shit

[open prairie]

pretty damn good rn on the damage department

[tepid cedar]

of all ppl u cant be the one to say this lol ur listened to

raise the cap. raise the cap. raise the cap

[rare garnet]

Lower the cap

[red berry]

buffing whirlwind to 60% would make us stronger in 5 targets would be enough for me

[rare garnet]

Hard lock aoe to 5 targets again

[coarse nest]

Nah just make us nuke 5 targets

[shrewd magnet]

set target cap to 2

[rare garnet]

1

[shrewd magnet]

only way to go

[open prairie]

its a weird trickle down effect

95% of players wont do pulls where target cap matters

[red berry]

idk your math isn't mathing

go into a +13 or higher, you will see bigger pulls

you have to

[rare garnet]

Reduce average dungeon time to 15m… if I want to play for 45m I’ll enter a raid thank you

[open prairie]

if you pug

[shrewd magnet]

okay but really. SMF needs to be meta.

[coarse nest]

Just do mdi pulls duhh

[open prairie]

average lfg tank

[rare garnet]

Split every dungeon in half like they do for mega dungeons

[red berry]

even if you are pugging you'll still see bigger pulls

because if you do floodgate 5 mobs at a time

you're probably not timing that key

[shrewd magnet]

i'd love to see old school warrior dual wielding 1 handers again.

titan's grip overrated

[tepid cedar]

u are probably also not pushing hjigh keys. its a horrible feeling knowing pulls can be doiwned so much fgaster if we arent there

[open prairie]

yeah i said the 95%

🤷

[red berry]

Heh :)

[open prairie]

trickle down effect is very real

[shrewd magnet]

are u hot for those capcom squarenix characters

[open prairie]

also idk i play warrior to swing giant weapons

[tight roost]

With berserker's torment, is it better to bind reck and avatar separately to make most use of extra uptime or is the difference negligible

[shrewd magnet]

do you like monster hunter

[open prairie]

sometimes

[red berry]

who isnt

[tepid cedar]

and alot more warirors would get invited to parties to have a chance to pushj those keys

[edgy widget]

raise the cap! lower the cap! raise the cap a little!

[open prairie]

some weapons look awful dual wielded

[tepid cedar]

if they wre actualyl getting into groups

[smoky vale]

@pulsar quest

d

[red berry]

im not really no but i have friends obsessed with her

[tepid cedar]

ppl not getting into groups for hours demorolizes them to push period

[open prairie]

cloudsong glaive comes to mind

[silent aurora]

they can just buff WW from 55 to something like 60% for us to get better aoe in key

[shrewd magnet]

i feel like she's a closeted submissive's wet dream

[edgy widget]

even more unpopular opinion, but issues specific to push keys are even less important, because extremely few players (as a whole) ever engage on that level

[coarse nest]

Bro that’s why you just 3k and chill

Ez life man

[red berry]

lesbians go crazy for her thats all i know

[tepid cedar]

nah us pesants pneed to push 3300-3400

[shrewd magnet]

the day the make warrior meta is the day critcake's glass skin disappears

[edgy widget]

doesn't mean I don't sympathize with your position, it's just a really hard problem to solve in an uncapped system where the landscape is constantly changing - issues in +10s don't always translate to +15s, or the +20s that will eventually be considered "push keys"

[coarse nest]

I don’t have the time to sit in lfg all day everyday to play the pug lottery and get 3300-3400 so I just chill at 3k and play with the homies

[edgy widget]

frankly I wish Blizz would cap the system and be done with it

[coarse nest]

Much better experience

Highly recommend

[tepid cedar]

i would be ok with this

make everyone on the same playing ground

[shrewd magnet]

cap everyone to 2 targets max

[open prairie]

at least aug is dead

[glad coyote]

they just need to uncapp everything

and balance

[open prairie]

more comp diversity as soon as that spec eats it

[coarse nest]

[glad coyote]

or capp everything and balance but they wont do it in the middle of a season

[open prairie]

like aug did nothing good for the game

but enable degeneracy

[tight roost]

i realize this came in the middle of an on-going discussion, but i wonder if i could get some nuggets of wisdom on this?

[pulsar quest]

What dis

[coarse nest]

You can macro them together put reck first

[red berry]

the bigger issue is the inherent design of higher keys means more health which incentivizes bigger pulls regardless. you just gotta go. can't stop

[edgy widget]

no, they fully extend, so you can use them in either order or at the same time and you'll get the same duration

[tight roost]

ok so talent does change anything then, great

[glad coyote]

im happy already with all 13's and a handful of 14's

[edgy widget]

correct, the extra 8s is purely additive, no matter what order or sequence you use the abilities in, you always get +8s of Avatar/Reck

• that's not always true during Beta and other test periods - it's actually a very common bug that abilities like this won't fully extend when first implemented, but they always fix it before the features go live

[tight roost]

roger, thanks a bunch

[edgy widget]

no problem, and don't feel bad about derailing the current convo either... sometimes this place needs it

[weak sierra]

tots random but are a lot of warrior players bassists

just seems a lot of similarities

[coarse nest]

[mint obsidian]

so apparently fury is doing well atm?

[edgy widget]

maybe a lot of bassists are Warriors, ever think of that?!

[weak sierra]

fury doesnt do bad 😠

[willow patrol]

but is it reasonable to get groups?

[winter shoal]

"always fix" it was like that through df s2 wasn't it?

[mint obsidian]

they why not having ez time to get inv

look at raider io popularity

[weak sierra]

well other classes joke on fury warriors the same way other musicians joke on bassists, but they are both so needed

[mint obsidian]

👀

[rigid stirrup]

Fury is good in raid for certain fights, they're good enough to carry your weekly +10s

[coarse nest]

It’s reasonable to get invited on the 5 perceived meta specs

Always will be true btw

It’s the nature of the system

[weak sierra]

what system

i want to know the system

[mint obsidian]

meta system

[edgy widget]

I don't get it, but I imagine there's supposed to be a in there somewhere, so let's just go ahead and pretend we all laughed

[rigid stirrup]

I'm personally finishing up my 14 resil and I'd only play fury in top

[mint obsidian]

when will fury join the meta system

when everyone will be asking for a war

[weak sierra]

the meta is like water, it flows and changes shape

[mint obsidian]

to blast mobs apart

[rigid stirrup]

Just play prot

[mint obsidian]

prot s tier yeah?

[rigid stirrup]

It's pretty good

[edgy widget]

"half fixed" then, it was still usable with full value

[rigid stirrup]

I'd save a tier for vdh

S tier**

And bdk if their bloodbeast procs perfectly

[coarse nest]

I honestly have a good time with bear

They seem to be pretty sturdy

[shrewd magnet]

isnt VDH broken right now

[coarse nest]

And they give me a buff

[shrewd magnet]

like the issue with glaive and fire sigil

[rigid stirrup]

Bear is sleeper. Like I've played with crazy ones. Vortex to counter thr knockback mobs in dfc is chefs kiss

[shrewd magnet]

ive never seen VDH have aggro issues but this week its been nuts for them i heard

[rigid stirrup]

Idk we play warrior so aggro issues are always a thing

[shrewd magnet]

i havent stolen aggro from any other tank other than VDH in lust pull

[willow patrol]

because the VDH:s aggro pull thing is bugged

[open prairie]

sigil of flaming when not in combat?

[shrewd magnet]

i dont really understand how it works, but it has to do with glaive and sigil not generating threat

[bitter palm]

demo -> cd will rip aggro

sometimes

idk how u can rip aggro as fury

[forest owl]

just go prot, no more aggro issues

[shrewd magnet]

so im curious how the chinese teams are doing 17's and 18's with VDH, or maybe the just communicate the setup better?

[open prairie]

is it not just the fact throw glaive does piss damage

[shrewd magnet]

ok so brew has it too

[open prairie]

Yeah i mean

i dont sigil of flame until the mobs are close

usually the issue is people attacking during the gather

[shrewd magnet]

vdh tank was tlaking about it in a 13 too. told us before run to wait like 2 or 3 gcd's before we do anything in case sigil bugs out

mentioned sigil explicitly idk

[open prairie]

I mean you generally need 2-3 gcds

before dps start

[shrewd magnet]

yes, but he explicitly mentioned the possibility of sigil not working

[open prairie]

unless you’re this guy

grab packs into fel dev as they come in tbh

[shrewd magnet]

big

[open prairie]

if i zoned in with a male nelf dh in that mog

wouldnt trust him to not die either

[flat river]

help

im addicted to gathering buttons

[ripe kraken]

eye of kezan is so fucking shit its insane

even in 6 minutes fights it performs worse than delve trinkets

[sullen dove]

[trim quarry]

which delve trinkets, energy drink/lens?

[ripe kraken]

energy drink

prolly lense and mechano too