fury

[hardy bluff]

it wont

[jade cipher]

meat cleaver is very bad

[fading sky]

We are super strong

[hardy bluff]

its like top 5 in raid

[fading sky]

And flexible

[hardy bluff]

they dont balance around minigames

[fading sky]

Only thing they could look into is buffin roar + of

But tuning those and our current dmg

Would not be easy

[jade cipher]

mythic + is the entire wow. if it was raid alone people would raid log and be done with it

[hardy bluff]

yea i wish it was that

[sullen dove]

thats what they already do

unless ur a dented freak pushing io

its 8 keys a week and gg log off

soon to be 4

[hardy bluff]

i like keys first 2 days of a season to farm gear

then im over them

[fading sky]

I enjoy m+

But if u cant play around ya classes limitation in rio pushin

Just decide

Rio or char

What do u want?

[jade cipher]

i am playing and enjoying warrior in m+ from start of Df but this season i feel ultra weak as fury

[radiant plank]

it was 8 for the first 2 weeks

now its 1

[fading sky]

Then u arent playing well

[jade cipher]

not only dungeons are not melee friendly but we are not top dps even on things that we should be on

i am playing well dw

[fading sky]

Ok so a pull above 5 as thane what do u do?

Exept cry obviously

[jade cipher]

is this a quiz? XD

[fading sky]

I mean, i just dont experience struggelin in dmg overalls in 12s

[jade cipher]

i prio bloodthirst for thunderblast procs and if pull is very big i thunder clap aswell but i always dump my rage for Am obivously

[fading sky]

Ye so bt to hunt for procs. To do most aoe.

Usually prio tb above all in 6+

[jade cipher]

i Really know how to play warrior but to think that a class like ret with 30 sec or unholy with 45 sec do more on 5 targets than me while popping all my cds is not good because the moment that 5 bcomes 6 and higher they trash you

and they are not really lagging behind in ST enough for something like fury to be outlier in that regard

[radiant plank]

[fading sky]

Have u tried playing collosus?

[jade cipher]

i play every build on warrior but my main point was we will receive buffs to our aoe somewhere in this season. because we literaly have 1 talent build we can play

i played Odyns fury in Cinderbrew and it was so fkn weak

[hardy bluff]

hes talking about arms

[fading sky]

U want a different profile

Thats where u go?

[jade cipher]

No i'm just saying fury has 1 talent build and i think we will get bufferd solely based on that because not everyone plays in a team like Noxiv and rest of fury warrior community i think will always be 3rd on dps this season

[fading sky]

And we told you. U are shit out of luck

To powerfull in raid

And good in m+

If not meta

[hardy bluff]

if you want to pump overall go arms

[jade cipher]

i do arms as well but fury needs some love. to be exact with meat cleaver

[cobalt kernel]

wheres swordish need that man to post a funny gif

[jade cipher]

Would we be game breaking if meat cleaver was 8 targets? i am sure not

[hardy bluff]

you would need to nerf damage by like 5% atleast

[fading sky]

And nothing would truly change

[hardy bluff]

ret beats you on overall because they burst on all the small shitter adds

[jade cipher]

yeah but hear me out. not hitting certain stuff at all just because of cap is so bad'

[fading sky]

No?

[jade cipher]

for example in CBM you wont hit totems while aoeing as fury while you just cleave as arms and kill them

you only have thunder blast to hit everything

[fading sky]

I just target totems?

[jade cipher]

yeah but why, what the gain to be so capped

while literaly no other class is 5

[fading sky]

Better st

[jade cipher]

not good enough. that was the argument back in Df season 3. you would be top dps ST by a wide margin and still had some good aoe buttons. meat cleaver needs a buff if they take all aoe buttons away

[fading sky]

M8. If u wanna be meta

Play it

[stone merlin]

If I go the one handed route

How much am I actually screwing myself? I’m just tired of the 2 handed transmogs

[clever belfry]

quite a bit

[stone merlin]

Sadge

What dps classes/specs use one handed swords? 🤔

[hardy bluff]

frost dk

outlaw rogue

[oblique trail]

Frost dk and outlaw

[junior gale]

dh

[stone merlin]

Hmmmm frost dk might be my new experiment

Thank you guys

Outlaw also seemed cool but it’s a little weird

I’m smooth brain and it seemed a bit involved last time I checked

[hardy bluff]

alot of buttons to press yea

[stone merlin]

always wanted to try a frost dk anyways in that case

[royal copper]

Why isnt Avatar shown on WA when its ready?

(Premade, Set to; shown when ready)

[crystal radish]

Can someone put a screenshot of a mythic+8/10 to see the % of your abilities used ?

I think i should use more bloodthirst no ?

[next ruin]

Raid balancing

[next ruin]

They beat you on 5T don't cope

[jade cipher]

i dont have problem with being beaten by other dps but its bad when people beat you with 30% of knowledge on their class and lower ilvl

fury aoe is just bad. we dont need to say otherwise

[mighty swan]

We have prio

And most important we have unlimited drip and style

[warm crag]

no one is saying it's good but one class shouldn't have everything

go arms if you want mass aoe on the same character you're already playing

if you wanna blast prio/st damage stay on fury shrug

[red berry]

there are definitely classes that excel in both areas

[warm crag]

ye keyword shouldn't

[hardy bluff]

i barely play fury

[quick schooner]

Guys how to know Resilient Keystone level ?

cant find in achievment

[red berry]

i don't necessarily disagree but its going to stay that way. and blizzard isn't going to change it. im hoping they do more tuning

[wind flax]

Do we have any god at simming gear? 🙂

[river reef]

Does anyone know how to turn off the ingame 4set proc sound?

[foggy quail]

Whilst playing mountain thane do we just not press execute at all?

[warm crag]

ideally not no

[foggy quail]

Alright then thankyou

[earnest canyon]

wdym? You just pick the items and press sim

[rain cloud]

its arms better than fury in m+?

[sour frigate]

Better aoe

[indigo arch]

For the most part, yea

fury is abandoned in m+ again

zero warrior devs

[wind flax]

having a bunch of rings to switch between so i wanna know which ring i should upgrade and what items i should target becasue of my ring choice

[earnest canyon]

just select max all if u don thave the crests/stones, then select max upgrade on each ring

[wind flax]

Well that is simple, but then id like to know if i use the ring with more mastery what neck should i target to get and so on..

[earnest canyon]

then select the neck too?#

[wind flax]

not very good at importing items i dont have..

[earnest canyon]

you can type them in

just type the item in the search box at the top

you can add any item

its not going to search every possible neck in the game automatically

[warm crag]

but the sim you're trying to make will explode in size very quickly so you can't just select everything and sim

might need to do things like lock cycre's

[earnest canyon]

yeah this is why I paid for epic or whatever its called so I get 2x the speed and much more iterations

[warm crag]

ye no big ring + amulet sims that also do gems will quickly explode past 32mil iterations

[clever belfry]

@warm crag consider this

[clever belfry]

for large sims like this just slot in mast/haste gems and disable replace enchants
itll show u what u need to know with far less iters anyhow.

the sim may lose like 1k oh no!

[warm crag]

damn

anda you should help me pick my ring vault

[clever belfry]

wdym pick vault

its sunday buddy

[clever belfry]

there is no way u still have vault sitting

[warm crag]

the wowhead m+ bis list has both so i literally cannot choose!

[warm crag]

the best dps increase i found with either of these rings is +7k for slarms

[clever belfry]

u take bloodbath or socket

ur choice

also funn that it lists bloodbath as ML

when its a TOP ring

:)))

[warm crag]

idk picking socket while myth ring is in vault seems like outrageous behaviour

[clever belfry]

how many weeks of crest spend do you have left

and how many myth items do u currently own

[warm crag]

many? i think

i can count in 2 milliseconds

[clever belfry]

well i mean in regards to currently owned gear

cause ure extending after next week i think

[warm crag]

ya

[clever belfry]

if u still have a bunch of myth items the myth track kinda dotn matter innit

if ure kinda low on myth track items, u just slap idk 270 crests into the sim and see

👍

also depends on how many holes u currently have already

like i wouldnt pick hole if i had 2 holes on myth track already

[warm crag]

i have 6 upgrades in crests, need to spend 4 on myth tier, i have a 2/6 neck, 4 hc items that are upgradeable to 6/6, hc track wrist

[clever belfry]

then id probably pick the ring over hole

🤷‍♂️

if u were like schmidi with 14 myth track tier items

i wouldnt

[warm crag]

i dont think he has more myth track items than me

[clever belfry]

i think that is untrue

[earnest canyon]

no

[oblique trail]

<@&257983573498265600>

[warm crag]

why would you delete that

my free money or whatever it was

[oblique trail]

telegram deez

[open crag]

Hi guys quick question: Should i be considering burst of power whenever it procs or just follow the rotation according to Bloodcraze and Vicious Contempt and ignore the procs of Burst of Power all together?

talking ofc mountain thane

[clever belfry]

im on da gram

[earnest canyon]

im not, I have no social media except discord if that counts 🛌

[compact siren]

Send a picture of a cat

[earnest canyon]

I try to press it if its below the crit amount and is about to expire, as if you get another proc from thunderclap you wasted damage. I am not sure if this is correct

[junior atlas]

is smf why i have world quests showing 1h weapons when i'm in fury?

[earnest canyon]

idk, but why are you playing that?

[junior atlas]

i'm not, i have zero points in it lol

[undone flower]

You are in fury loot spec perchance ?

[earnest canyon]

set ur loot spec to arms.....i was new to fury and got a 1hander a week or so ago

didnt think about 2h vs 1h

[hardy bluff]

yea fury has 1 and 2 handers in lootpool

so set it to arms

[junior atlas]

ty, i seem to remember this being a reccuring thing

[flat river]

that looks like an angler fish

[earnest canyon]

You haven't seen the video of that cat? It's called Wilfred Warrior

[flat river]

nop

[earnest canyon]

warning for language though they bleep it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTJ5o_uW3eM

[flat river]

OHHH

I KNOW IT

[earnest canyon]

thought you would 😄

I like animals, but im not sure I would like waking up to him staring at me in the morning

[broken kite]

Arms seems to be better in keys then fury I main fury but the burst and aoe in arms is insane compare to fury anyone else notice ?

[sand crest]

everyone else has noticed

[earnest canyon]

yes arms is better but its like playing with ur feet so I cant be arsed with it

[azure tulip]

Arms isn’t “better”

They are pretty equal

Arms has more overall and aoe but fury’s prio dmg is unmatched

Just sadly there is more prio classes with more utility so without big numbers, people think fury is “bad”

Watch noxiv and you’ll see why some higher key groups are bringing fury

[radiant plank]

furys prio damage is unmatched

[bitter palm]

furys prio damage is unmatched :clueless:

[smoky vale]

you forgot

[bitter palm]

me when i get 5 exhil blows proc in a row on the prio target and it disappears

(25 mil in 5 gcds)

[bitter palm]

oh yeah true

[radiant plank]

25mil on a bad day

[bitter palm]

where log

[bitter palm]

ok sir not everyone is 665+ ilvl

chatting

[radiant plank]

True my dk is only 622

[smoky vale]

when i decide to turn on pc

watching tmy

[bitter palm]

oh ye bro is raiding

[fading sky]

25m in 5 globals? Ms 5m avg?

[bitter palm]

least random raiding times

[bitter palm]

real

[smoky vale]

me when eb procs 5 times during cs ravager avatar demolish

60% damage

lol

[barren dagger]

anyone know if 15s give mythic track end of dungeon gear?

[somber elk]

They Dont

[remote bobcat]

nothing gives myth track dungeon loot except for the vault

[barren dagger]

sad

ty

[quiet breach]

the only benefit you get from going higher than 12 is io rating

which will help u get into groups easier if ur io is higher

the rewards for a +15 are the same as a +12

[flat river]

if u get 3k rating you get a mount

[dense elbow]

A very ugle mount

[red berry]

yeah idgaf the mount

my last 13s i need are priory and floodgate

[dense elbow]

Amount of hate I get there for only doing 6-7m AoE there is a lot

[stone merlin]

If fury is the easiest melee spec to play what’s the easiest ranged spec to play?

[sudden tusk]

Bm hunter

[dense elbow]

BM got a lot of minmax with the new hero talent, MM is a lot easier

[stone merlin]

I do like marksman, I tried it a bit

My first character was an Evoker and I felt like that was fairly easy to play, the range just sucked

[burnt kelp]

ret paladin is the easiest "melee"

[torpid elbow]

fury is better

i surpass ret pallys most of the time until i get with someone who knows wht they doing

[opal summit]

fury is better bc I have more fun :)

[rocky hemlock]

i asked this alittle bit yesterday about aoe with fury should i be worried about stacking bloodcraze to hit for crit bloodthirst or just kinda hit bloodthirst when available, but i wanna also add the burst of power mountian thane talent to it that buffs the next 2 bloodthirst triggers no cooldown. should i spam these to gether also or build up the bloodcraze or should i really only worry about the bloodcraze thing with single target ?

[oblique trail]

Don't get me wrong, I haven't played BM since DF S4, but min/max or not I'd argue this is hard to beat

This is only a 15 second snippet, the entire 6 minute fight is played like this

Not like Fury is much different at a glance

[silver pecan]

How many stacks should be built up before using rampage?

[tidal kindle]

🅱️amezi

[oblique trail]

Until you're out of RB stacks or enrage runs out

[silver pecan]

alr

[oblique trail]

🅱️arms

[modest condor]

🅱️ury

[dense elbow]

Apparently they now with the changes do change up things based on what pet that procs, and so on. It is like Fury, it seems a lot more straight foward than it is.

I hope they revert the BM changes tho, make it all kill command on CD, and sleep

I liked that

[sudden tusk]

It's basically the same as it ever was

Don't overcap on kill command or barbed and you are chilling

[dense elbow]

Sounds like every DPS spec in this game, dont sit on your DPS buttons.

Thane Fury tho, 1 button, rotation - nothing can beat that tho

Why is it ok that Paladin button do 2billion damage, and my big button do 402 million

better nerf fury a bit

[pseudo marlin]

lock-n-stalk any good?

[hardy bluff]

yea its kinda good

for st

[pseudo marlin]

i got 2 trinks atm

zee's thug hotline and lock-n-stalk

[hardy bluff]

same

[oblique trail]

It's about as good as boiled chicken and rice for reference

[dense elbow]

Is the chicken blended tho?

[pseudo marlin]

that sounds good tho

[hardy bluff]

you can equip both of those

[oblique trail]

exactly

[sour tundra]

DKs are pulling 30mil dps on pulls maybe time to reroll so i get invited to groups

[torpid elbow]

yes im having a tough time getting into groups

frost dk is clapping rn to

[tidal kindle]

China dk mage boomie blows up every pack in 45s

[torpid elbow]

ya'll think itll be easier boomie or fire mage

?

[iron portal]

I think its easier to live with yourself as druid than mage

[dense elbow]

If you want the "warrior but do damage" experience, just go Ret

[sour tundra]

rets are having a hard time getting into groups also this season

cus theres a million of them

[sudden tusk]

Another 3% will fix this surely

[dense elbow]

Just go ret, be part of the million that do damage?

[tidal kindle]

Mage is frost

[dense elbow]

Going Slayer, when bladestorm, bloodthirst and reap totals combined - is worth half of Hammer of Light, then you know things are scuffed.

[sudden tusk]

3% to gryphandoor

Another 15% nerf to bladestorm

[torpid elbow]

where do you see this?

[dense elbow]

Devs hate bladestorm and Odyn's, you dont need to see this

you know it is in their notes

[torpid elbow]

if only we did as much as damage as ret

[red berry]

jesus.

[sudden tusk]

Another 45% nerf to odyns kitty

[red berry]

another 400000000% nerf to bladestorm

[quiet breach]

huh?

did they just nerf us?

[sudden tusk]

No I'm making jokes about current tuning

[quiet breach]

ah

[jade cipher]

This channel is bombed with Copium. "fury is fine, you probably play it wrong, we do insane boss damage "

https://tenor.com/view/copium-gif-766857345458198993

[earnest canyon]

it's not fine but it is fun to play 🤷

[jade cipher]

i will be super disappointed if tunings dont happen

imagine playing Reckless abandon, you dont burst enough to beat other dpsers and you do less than tank meanwhile

[heavy copper]

It is very depressing

[rose bay]

yeah always offputting to play with guildies, like, am i dogshit? is the spec dogshit? are they just that much better then me and does my ass need to be hittin keys

Should i be playing arms to hit 15 mobs

/shrug

[jade cipher]

yeah man the numbers are bad and people just tell you Noxiv is doing +17s with it so ...

[eternal sundial]

you should

[jade cipher]

even arms is not top dps

[eternal sundial]

if ur a good dps warrior you can play both specs

[jade cipher]

and idk when i play arms i do near fury single target damage

so what is point of fury

[rose bay]

Yeah everytime i check raider io i see novix coming warcrlimes in 17s

[eternal sundial]

he is very good at what he does

incredible player

[rose bay]

do play both but /shrug just not really sure what im doing wrong on paper need to do some live dogging

log diving

[eternal sundial]

live dogging

[rose bay]

woof woof

[heavy copper]

Exceptional

[jade cipher]

you cant base an entire spec on one player and even him is never top dps in his group, he is there to bring warrior buff and do St damage

he is 3rd dps in top Kekw

[rose bay]

yeah tahts why im thinking, do i just play arms in keys and do full singletarget

[jade cipher]

imagine other dungeons

[rose bay]

yeah our warlock is legit 1mill ahead of m

e

just fuck our shite capped aoe

[willow cradle]

Skill diffed smh

[rose bay]

maybe

[jade cipher]

Bro i play colossus in keys and i do 1 milion more persec overall and around 10m per boss less ST damage, under 20% colossus really catches up in st

[eternal sundial]

obviously top top can be a bit of an outlier

[rose bay]

yeah tahts why ive been debaiting it, all its big buttens are not as capped

and fury just hitting 5 perma

[eternal sundial]

i mean itd not cause harm to buff fury

[rose bay]

atleast fury defensives feel good

Please uncap fury i beg

and prot 2

why the fuck is tclap piss

[stone merlin]

Only because of the best in the game utility/defensive abilities but true

[heavy copper]

Uncapped fury would be nice, but I doubt it will happen

[edgy widget]

The "big buttons" have the same caps lol, they're the same buttons even!

[rose bay]

Then im just traaaash

[edgy widget]

Only OF has a lower cap but you don't use it anyway

[rose bay]

Yeah just roar and ravager

[jade cipher]

Archi, do you think aoe tunnings for fury will happen?

[edgy widget]

nope

[jade cipher]

based on your experience

[rose bay]

nadah

trust me they happy with us hear

me 2

this could be much much worse

[edgy widget]

at least you better hope it doesn't
Warrior is doing very well this patch, they ain't gonna mess with it unless it's to catch a nerf

[jade cipher]

idk what was the point of this new RA and new titan's torment

[rose bay]

and we got our tree fucked around with there not looking at us till something breaks and where doing way 2 much damage in 3 seconds in 2 expansions

[eternal sundial]

sometimes maybe good sometimes maybe shit

its just how the game is

[edgy widget]

to fix design problems

[eternal sundial]

old RA very unhealthy

[rose bay]

probably just a skill issue then instead of bitchin i should do something usefull and look into my problems

rather then mewling

[edgy widget]

I wouldn't say it was unhealthy, it just kinda cluttered and confused the rotation more

[rose bay]

hate rb make bt great again

[eternal sundial]

i dont think any iteration of RA beyond specifically s3 df was ait

[edgy widget]

Old Titan's Torment was unhealthy (for everyone else ), cause we just insta burst so hard nobody else could hit adds

[eternal sundial]

sl onwards

idk about bfa didnt play

[velvet obsidian]

Carnage my beloved 😍

Ramp cost less and did more damage. Felt good.

[edgy widget]

yeah that's why they baked it in

[rose bay]

rip 100 rage rampage

it suckeed

[edgy widget]

it was 90, but yeah

[rose bay]

Right sorry

[jade cipher]

i think blizzard has issues with connecting to player base and only hard crunches numbers

[rose bay]

sorry legion was 2 far and im 2 stupid

[edgy widget]

was even worse without 130 rage cap! LOL

[rose bay]

yeaaah

had to fucking edge the rage bar

[velvet obsidian]

Wait really? I saw the talent go in SL prepatch along with some of our haste on enrage and just benched my fury warrior for a season because it felt bad. (Then brought him back because bonegrinder looked dank)

[edgy widget]

that's interesting, because all you seem to be doing is complaining about numbers lol

[rose bay]

fit in spells without overusing ur rage, and only use rampage if u where about to overcap or if enrage was about to fall out

Yeah i think the gameplay feels good, just the numbies are off but tahts mostlikley just a skill issue

just need to pracice more and play better

[edgy widget]

the opposite is more true - Blizz tends to focus more on fixing design problems, whether or not it actually results in a buff or a nerf

[jade cipher]

what i mean is that if fury is doing good in warcraft logs raid they dont know how average joe feels when he plays +10 keys with other classes

[eternal sundial]

damage increase is easily done

making smht play well

less so

[rose bay]

or catch a novix stream and see what he does maybe im on pace and other classes are just doing that much better

or watch critcake

[edgy widget]

more about the fact that Fury is still good enough to do those +10 keys
Blizz doesn't care much about meta balance in push keys (cause it's an impossible problem to solve)
and as long as the class/spec still has a strong place somewhere then it's not fully sidelined

[rose bay]

True i feel great in raids!

[jade cipher]

i took 1 point out of depth of insanity, 2 out of deft experiences and 1 out of vicious contempt and ran odyns fury with titanic rage and it 3.9% of my dps in cinderbrew meadery in +10

[hardy bluff]

gz

[rose bay]

if my m+ preformance suffers, at the end of the day the most im doing is 10s-12s im not at a level to worry about raw class preformance

[jade cipher]

we are hard stuck in 1 way of getting talents

[edgy widget]

I do agree, it'd be nice if Blizz did more Raid vs MT tuning (like nerfing Unholy in M+ and buffing it in raid, or helping Ret in raid instead of buffing its M+ single target)

but that's a lot more work than it sounds, and they got their own workflow priorities

[rose bay]

Thank u fer the feedback and quick answers

[jade cipher]

last season on fury i swapped between double OF thane and Recklesness Thane and it felt nice

this tier it feels clogged

[edgy widget]

that's what happens when they giga buff rotational abilities

everything else falls behind

last season Fury was all burst cooldowns, this season it's all sustained rotational abilities; hurray for variety

[rose bay]

i know its bad but i kinda prefer this

I like my shit hittin hard

[edgy widget]

I mean there are middle grounds

[rose bay]

/nod nod

arms is a good middleground it feels real good on single i just like big numbie

[nimble kraken]

I like my survivability in keys, but man does the details bar make me sad this season

[rose bay]

but im nt a game designer im just a consumer ballancing has got to be a nightmare

[edgy widget]

those cooldowns are weaker than they should be, even Bladestorm is starting to fall behind
but it's not just raw damage tuning either; talent point economy is big limiting factor, since it creates a lot of opportunity cost

[rose bay]

yeah i feel like we need 4 more tallent points

just lot of weird node pathing

but maybe other classes are clunky 2

[smoky vale]

other classes have better trees

[edgy widget]

T3 talents should generally be strongest, since they're the most limited; I hate giving up end of tree talents for more middle of tree ones

[edgy widget]

depends on who you ask they complain just as much

in the end, they have problems too... they're just different problems

[smoky vale]

Everyone who is complaining about them hasn't touched warrior

[rose bay]

True nothins perfect

[smoky vale]

Evoker tree is get everything you want and 3 free points

[edgy widget]

bully for them

[smoky vale]

They just recently made druid's good

Shaman same thing as evoker

[edgy widget]

idk, every other Shaman and Druid I've talked to absolutely hate their class tree lol

[smoky vale]

Delusional players

[edgy widget]

like I said, everyone has problems, they're just different problems

[smoky vale]

[dense elbow]

If they delte Onslaught and Odyn's as options from the tree, and dont replace them. Then we got a lot of talents to move about. Problem solved

[edgy widget]

almost like people have preferences or something

[south kayak]

There’s always a problem

[edgy widget]

you don't, actually, since they weren't being taken in the first place

[south kayak]

No matter what

[velvet obsidian]

Druid class tree is aids. It's a little better with this patch but still, it's a legit complaint

[south kayak]

Everyone has something to complain about

And if those things are fixed

[dense elbow]

😮 say whaaaaaaaat

[south kayak]

They’ll find more things to complain about

[rose bay]

they just complain about somthing else

[smoky vale]

Even if it is as bad as they say its not to our scale

[edgy widget]

all a matter of opinion

[south kayak]

If they fix our trees

People are gonna complain about something else

[rose bay]

yeah the good news, is even with the clunk, and the weirdish damage, we are not bad

ill fucking take it

[dense elbow]

A fix for thee, is not a fix for me

is what it is

[velvet obsidian]

Our tree is just missing capstone abilities that feel like capstone abilities. I sure love taking two points of VC instead of Onslaught, Odyn's Fury, Unbridled Ferocity, etc.

[rose bay]

im just jimbo with a hamer from home depot

[flat river]

we take onslaught in PvP o-o

[dense elbow]

True and real

OS lives the good life

[south kayak]

I’d rather they nerfed our rotational abilities to buff the capstones

[edgy widget]

always gotta try to appease multiple different groups too - many players have complained that Warrior is too CD heavy, but then many also want OF to be stronger, which are competing opinions

I just want them to neuter RB and its overly-extensive network of buff talents

[rose bay]

shit take what if warrior just had 1 cd, no reck, no avatar, no roar no spear, just of

nuclear butten class

AFk for 45 seconds between pulls

[dense elbow]

Then many would be happy

[rose bay]

1 final node

[south kayak]

RB has so many things holding it together

[dense elbow]

some sad and prob quit

[rose bay]

make it cost 2 points

[south kayak]

It’s like the infinite stones

[rose bay]

rb is glued together by 30 tallents

Please shoot it

[gaunt anvil]

any idea why raidbots its telling me that my 639 belt sims better than a 678 one? loses 249 DPS...

[rose bay]

stats?

[south kayak]

That’s cursed

[velvet obsidian]

I mean that's some player preference thing. Living on a 1.5 minute cooldown last season was cancer for me. Doing augvoker damage in ST on our AoE build and only doing big damage when Avatar was ready felt bad. I was dooming pretty hard last season. Sucks to not have sustained AoE still, but at least our ST is tons better and both of our hero talents are playable. Life could be worse.

[gaunt anvil]

haste/versa 639 vs crit/mastery

[rose bay]

sorry i ment, the stats are probably why its behind+

yeah at the en d of the day, singeltarget feels good, i like our damage profile, i get excited when shit falls below 35% our single isnt anemic, our cds arnt the best but i have something to push every once in a while,

and im not playing at a level that i cant squeeze out more prefomrance! so i have lots to grow and look 4ward 2

[gaunt anvil]

its strange, but fair enough

[quiet breach]

so I have been getting invited to +10s no problem this week as fury, just had to hit 660 ilvl

[rose bay]

hell yeah

[quiet breach]

it only takes 10-20 minutes to find a group

which is not ridiculous for DPS imo

[rose bay]

yeah where fairly tanky to bullshit, full ass brain off on some pulls

and we pop off on boss damage

[quiet breach]

I started only applying to groups with 3 dps slots available, OR applying to groups with just a hunter or monk in it for the most part

[rose bay]

your better then me i have my filterss et to, have tank, have healer, have no warriors and spam que

[velvet obsidian]

Real. Honestly I just wish execute was a button that did damage, then our rotation would be pretty peak.

[dense elbow]

Having boss dam, is well and good. But when I do 6-7m, when others do 20m+
It is really annoying to have to listen to them complain and shit talk me for the remainder of the key. Floodgate is especially bad. As the ST bosses come in so late, and your overall doesn't avg out before way late.

[rose bay]

nod nod it would be nice, just feels like our bt is our execute

[edgy widget]

Execute would feel a lot better if Raging Blow wasn't so overbearing

[dense elbow]

Not to mention, having CDs doing nothing to pop off, aint fun

[rose bay]

yeah rb taking precidents over bt and execute sucks

like having to fucking have a wa that tells me when i can push bt over rb feels clunky

[edgy widget]

yup

[rose bay]

also i need to change one of there sounds im getting cliucker trianed betweeen the sounds of the tier going off and the wa

my brain isnt sure if the caching is exe or bt 😛

and its not like exe cant hit hard it do be doing big numbers, but rb just has so much of the tree dedicated to it

like imagine if exe and bt had this much support and rb was back to being filler

bliizz just likes rb

[tidal kindle]

Execute would also feel better if massacre didn't condemn it

[rose bay]

You will have a nothingburger of a steroid and u will like it

atleast arms makes it hit harder

im an idiot criting makes it hit harder 2

ignore me

[velvet obsidian]

I wonder if it would help if exe procced slaughtering strikes. Like even if RB does slightly less damage it's still better because it buffs Rampage.

[dense elbow]

Then the question starts to become, why not remove exe - and bake in another VC talent for RB called "execute"

[rose bay]

as for fury cds, i do wish that we lost one and power was allocated ot other cds, like dr is just a butten that does damage

[rose bay]

same reason they wount get rid of shield block, flava

[dense elbow]

Problem is if our buttons do damage, in raid that is problematic

as such, not possible

[rose bay]

yeah its both a pvp and a pve fix

they limit its sudden ness by gcd

or by making it a dot

[dense elbow]

PvP got its whole own scaling

PvE and PvP is not the same

[frank dawn]

it's only problematic in raid if the designers can't come up with any kind of add that doesn't need to die instantly or your raid dies

[rose bay]

Not what i ment

how much damage in a global

is important

[edgy widget]

wym

[rose bay]

its why i hated old arms, where everything was tied to a bleed

like yay im a feral druid

i loooove upfront damage

fuckin hate bleeds

but thats just playstyyle preferance

[dense elbow]

Sadly, TWWs1 beta to week 1 launch is over

Now it is all flat and boring till maybe next expansion beta

[rose bay]

doubt it,

most likley we cop another bandaid fix halfway though next xpac and ignored again

[dense elbow]

Nothing needs to be fixed, tho

We are functional

[rose bay]

warrior cycle gettingbuffed for last tier problem, getting nerfed for being overpreforming once new systems get glued on

[dense elbow]

Overperformance in week1, heroic dungeon week, as per usual. Yep.

And maybe in some raid encounters with adds.

"overperformance"

[rose bay]

3 seconds of a log snipit

its what people like tho

people love swifty one shot vids

big numba good

small numba bad

[dense elbow]

That is why I enjoy it, yep

I am not annoyed CDs are low dam, because we need more damage in raid or M+. Overall would be better served with sustained AoE fixes.

I am annoyed becasue flat is boring.

[velvet obsidian]

How dank would it be if Storm of Steel was reworked into Merciless Bonegrinder?

[tidal kindle]

Massacre talent gives execute the condemn animation/sound

Hurts my brain

[rose bay]

oh is that why execute looks better

i was like hu its way darker

[velvet obsidian]

Already has the condemn animation though? I haven't had massacre on all xpac and we still have the wind up between hitting exe and having it land don't we? Or am I schizo? I dunno I don't press that button very often anymore.

[eternal sundial]

horrible spell

[tidal kindle]

Idk if it looks diff visually, but feels diff

[velvet obsidian]

Storm of Steel is beyond meme-tier. I'm saying replace it with Bonegrinder so that the choice node is actually a choice node.

[eternal sundial]

Bonegrinder has horrible gameplay

I despise it

Imagine especially as thane you plop ravager spam proc tbs but have to do tb ww ww ww tb ramp

[ancient olive]

u guys pref single target build for mugzee

?

[eternal sundial]

Utterly disgusting

[edgy widget]

they changed that

[marble pilot]

Got Underpin ?? done last night. Kinda RNG fest but easier than Zikvir imo. More rng less dps check

[tight axle]

Guys, should i use whetsontes or algari oil as fury on ST?

[fickle cedar]

yep adds die too fast and you cant cleave inside the goon cage

[ancient olive]

makes sense

[velvet obsidian]

I doubt you would run it as thane since Slayer reduces BS cooldown giving more bonegrinding. But you are right it isn't a perfect fit for thane, which is sort of supposed to be the better sustained cleave. Though I imagine Thane likes Unhinged better anyways since more BT means more TB

[tidal kindle]

God bless, actually havent played massacre more than like twice this patch

[velvet obsidian]

The goon cage

[fickle cedar]

we need more people in the goon cage

[edgy widget]

back in TWW beta, they'd changed it so that all Executes used the yellow hit universally, but we were on that "wouldn't it be cool if slayer animations were red" kick, and so they adjusted it this patch to use the red for Slayer and yellow for Colossus/Thane, independent of Massacre

[eternal sundial]

yellow is better

[buoyant salmon]

hello @tidal kindle

[neat sand]

algari mana oil vs whetstones which are better in yalls opinion

[eternal sundial]

sim it idek

[tidal kindle]

[edgy widget]

haven't looked in a bit, but pretty sure oils still winning

[frail trellis]

Is there any place to get a tier list of trinkets or do i just guesstimate based on the single + Multi target in the wowhead

[mint obsidian]

on WCL i see that Fury is above ret, by a mile

[rose bay]

buying more mana oil then baby oil

[fickle cedar]

bloodmallet

[frail trellis]

ty

[edgy widget]

bloodmallet is also linked on wh btw

very useful tool for comparing at a glance

[low folio]

it feels kind of funny that they did a rework of reckless abandon just for it to not be played after the rework

[modest condor]

sometimes it be like that

[low folio]

well i guess it was closer to a reversion to the original reckless abandon

[fickle cedar]

yeah its kinda weird, i remember the blue post saying that they like where fury is right now design wise and then 2 lines later they just change reckless

[gilded pawn]

Just a tuning issue

[dense elbow]

The new RA just confuses me, do I try to get some bleed value, do I just continue my rotation, do I spam CB and skip BB. Rampage, do I even press it when I overcap rage?
It feels messy.

I wonder why it isnt just a simple thing that either buffed CB or BB, or, buffed Rampage and not the rotationals.

[gilded pawn]

Like everything else in this game

[low folio]

the bleed they gave bloodbath tuning wise does seem pointless to even have

[frail trellis]

I see it, ty all

[frank dawn]

Is it even a rework when you change it once and don’t iterate for shit on it? lol

[edgy widget]

Well they did iterate on it, for one the bleed wasn't pointless - it was the majority of Bloodbath's damage

but then they yoinked back on it and made it a much smaller, more "flavor" type bonus instead

[edgy widget]

but as has been said many times before, the reason they overhaul things is generally to fix a design problem somewhere, not to necessarily create the new best talent that everyone uses

from an end user perspective, sure it may feel kinda weird that we're not using the newest shiny thing, but that presumes it was their intent in the first place

[low folio]

ya sure but they really just reverted it to a version that is probably less interesting

[edgy widget]

in some ways, yeah

I think they should have left the bleed as the major factor, since that actually made RA interesting

instead it's just kinda glorified "more dam in Reck" which is... nice, but not really that exciting

[low folio]

talking about bloodbath bleeds does make me remember of Bloodbath in MoP

[modest condor]

that's kind of the point of it yeah

little homage to the old bloodbath

[low folio]

i dont know how well that spell performed in pve but i liked using it in pvp

[edgy widget]

I tried so hard to get them to add mop bloodbath back as some kind of reck enhancement

[red berry]

i do love bleeds

would have liked thay

reck getting some love would be nice in general

[edgy widget]

I think it's an idea that has a lot of flavor, although you can also argue there's little to no gameplay value

a similar simpler idea was just converting Depths of Insanity to "increase crit damage during Recklessness" - effectively giving you a choice between stronger Reck w/ it or more Reck w/ Unbridled Ferocity

[brittle folio]

I play arms in keys, fury in raid.

Fury just doesn’t feel great

[red berry]

increasing crit and adding crit damage on top of that would make it a very good talent

[gilded pawn]

Idk how strong the baseline reck would be if a talent can make it this much stronger

[red berry]

the extended duration feels underwhelming considering both where it is and what it is

[primal saffron]

Hey i have a question how do i sim right when i wanna sim for dungeon dmg? Is Dungeon Slice good or should i change it?

[edgy widget]

I don't think extended duration is bad, especially since it gets closer to Avatar, though Warlord's Torment already kinda does the same thing

[red berry]

i think my opinion is that its just more of an already lackluster CD the class is built around

[edgy widget]

but Warlords Torment doesn't compete against Depths either, and Unbridled does - so we have two competing yet redundant talents - Unbridled and Depths both increase uptime

[dense elbow]

Only thing I want atm, is some love for Slayer AoE, it is rough out there.

[edgy widget]

Slayer AoE still has a lot of strength in raids, so it's unlikely to get too much love in M+

[dense elbow]

At least my boss dam is solid

[red berry]

or the spec rather

[edgy widget]

especially considering that would infringe on Thane's only role

[dense elbow]

Fair, I guess. Slayer should remain dumpster tier because of that

in m+, dont worry

raid is fine

[red berry]

it has its niche unfortunately

[dense elbow]

yep

is what it is

[vapid spade]

Jeah bring back/make a Fury Bleed spec 😁

[exotic remnant]

yo boys , does anyone have the simc input for all races ?

[edgy widget]

Reck isn't that lackluster, but it's a combination of things

• Ramp isn't your most valuable button
• Rage gen is already even outside of Reck
• Not using Reckless Abandon

[dense elbow]

bloodmallet prob got it

[edgy widget]

people really try to distill every problem down to one cause like "Reck weak" or "Execute bad" but the reality is most things are a compound effect

[red berry]

it isnt solely reck, no

[edgy widget]

also the question of do you even want your major CD to be the majority of your damage, it sounds fun until you turn into an X-min burst class that does dick all when CDs aren't up

[red berry]

its a part of the overall thing in general right now and i dont misunderstand that - ive made my desire for stronger CDs no secret

and no, of course not - the flat damage profile with that in mind is quite nice

my bigger issue in general right now is solely AoE, and im holding out for any tuning at all

[edgy widget]

Think Thane just needs a TC/TB amp to better keep up with what BT/RB got

Ravager probably also a little down, but tuning that has some issues competing w/ Bladestorm

[red berry]

yeah you dont want it overtaking since it is very strong esp for thane

[primal saffron]

Hey idk if this is the right place to ask but if i want to sim my dmg or whats best for me to use in m+ should i do dungeon Slice or how should i sim for that?

[red berry]

id like it to hit a little harder which ive also said but that comes from merely wanting to be able to keep up with other classes - if that comes from TB being touched up, im fine

[twin oasis]

You guys think a fury buff is coming? Seems B tier in mplus.

[dense elbow]

That would leave Slayer even futher behind tho, so not fine.

[red berry]

hard to say. performance is really good in raid

[edgy widget]

it wouldn't change Slayer at all, so yes fine

nobody is talking about making Slayer weaker

[dense elbow]

... if Thane is ahead, and Thane gets buffed. The difference between the two increases.

[fickle cedar]

I think a set similar to what fire mages got this tier would be fun considering we are pretty similar with anger management

[willow cradle]

tbh a buff to T-clap would help a ton in M+ without affecting raid much unless they over do it.

[red berry]

thane isnt ahead in ST

[acoustic pulsar]

what is yalls burst in m+? i hit like 6-7m and then settle around 3-3.5m (best is 11m in cinderbrew) and feel like im either trash or some of these other melee classes just shlaaaaap

[dense elbow]

Oh, you talking raid, and talking blast? If so my bad.

[red berry]

no but its relevant

[dense elbow]

Uhuh

[twin oasis]

Im 665 with BIS trinks and i only hit 7M on burst. And overall on 12s is around 2.8M. Sad compared to other specs putting in 3.5M

[red berry]

slayer is obviously being carved out to its niche and i dont really know what else to say

[dense elbow]

Fair, I just disagree Slayer is to be "only raid". But I get where you are coming from.

[edgy widget]

it's fine to worry about the relative difference between two options when neither have niches of their own, but in this case, they do

Slayer already does something very well, it doesn't really need help doing something else very well at the same time

[acoustic pulsar]

yeah i feel so weak at the end of dungeons when i look at overall. im 663 with mostly bis stats and from pull to pull im just never sitting these wild numbers other get. i have a ret buddy and im so jealous

[dense elbow]

To kinda sum it up, so I know where you stand. You are of the impression Slayer is powerful enough as is, in m+?

[edgy widget]

yes, it might be nice for the hardcore slayer enjoyer if their chosen thing were also best (or at least close to it) in other content, but that's not always realistic either

[sour frigate]

sounds more like skill issue

[edgy widget]

nobody ever said that, don't put words in people's mouths

the entire conversation was about making Fury better in M+, and with the vast majority of Fury players in M+ being Thane, that was the focus

introducing Slayer into the conversation is a whole different conversation

[dense elbow]

I brought in Slayer, as it was ignored. That is all.

[edgy widget]

Yes, it was ignored because Slayer already has a strong competitive niche

[red berry]

i dont think either of us were necessarily being dismissive, we are just acknowledging they are designed around intentions for where they are meant to be used

[edgy widget]

I would not mind if Slayer got a M+ buff that didn't further increase its value in raid, but that would be pretty hard to accomplish, and considering that Slayer already has something it does very well, no I do not think it's particularly important to find a way to buff Slayer in M+

[dense elbow]

Aight

[willow cradle]

Slayer is good in raid and Fury is doing well over there. If you touch Slayer for M+ purposes it ends up impacting raid. The best way to improve Fury's M+ performance without impacting raid is to finangle with Thane.

[dense elbow]

I get where you are coming from and arguments for it. I just am in the camp that Slayer shouldnt be ignored in M+

Even if it is good in raid

[edgy widget]

certainly there are things that could be adjusted - like buffing Reap and nerfing Strike to compensate, but again it was not the focus of the conversation

[dense elbow]

Or PvP

[red berry]

i dont think its being ignored but they dont intend for every class to perform as windwalker is

which is why they copped a nerf and might get more

[fickle cedar]

i just wanna press odyns fury

[red berry]

same

[dense elbow]

you can, wdum

[red berry]

3%

[fickle cedar]

you get auto kicked if it happens

[dense elbow]

It just isnt optimal for the scenario, but you can bring it

I dont get kicked

[edgy widget]

as if anyone looks at your talents lmao

[red berry]

lmao

[edgy widget]

realistically there are a whole lot of things I'd like to change for Fury, though where balance would leave them after who knows

[fickle cedar]

im just joking its just feels lackluster lol

[dense elbow]

It is lackluster, but it is so by design

[fickle cedar]

idk felt pretty good s1 before el incidente

[dense elbow]

Yes and no, a lot of the power was packed into TT

[edgy widget]

its just as good, technically even better! They just buffed rotational abilities by a whole lot more

[red berry]

it would be nice if they rectified the cap nerf and buffed the bleed

[edgy widget]

be nice if they'd do a lot of things, but

[red berry]

[dense elbow]

If they buff the bleed, just make it a node that converts roar and be done with it

[red berry]

roar buffs odyn with the capstone

[edgy widget]

actually Titanic Rage is what I would buff first

[fickle cedar]

bladestorm bleeds

[dense elbow]

We all agree nodes is where the power should lie. When we say buff Odyn's, it doesnt necessarly only mean baseline

[red berry]

titanic rage not being nearly irrelevant would be nice

[dense elbow]

Power through investment makes sense, and ppl kinda want it

[red berry]

how would you change TR, Archi?

[edgy widget]

the "problem" with OF right now is there's also a vocal portion of the playerbase who feel that Warriors have too many CDs to juggle as is

[edgy widget]

just TR in a vacuum? Not sure that I would, nothing really wrong with it

only real issue I have is that Fury doesn't have very much bleed emphasis to tie in with it

[red berry]

v true

[edgy widget]

then again, I'd also be completely happy with Fury = Spear and Arms = Roar
and Spear would be fine for Fury if they'd make a few AoE improvements (namely, its area of effect radius)

[red berry]

i did grow to like the spear legendary after awhile in SL

missing hits in packs on occasion never felt great

[edgy widget]

any gameplay issue with spear was eliminated after they turned Champion's Might into a debuff rather than a buff, and they even managed to make Verdict not suck
now it's just some people don't like spear, and that's fine, but doesn't really make it bad

[dense elbow]

Just make spear a ST spell, and Roar AoE. Then they both got their niches.

Think we got enough AoE CDs as it is, they just currently quite weak.

[red berry]

it also makes reck a little stronger, which i like - crit damage afterall

[dense elbow]

Reck is fine for what it is, no?

[edgy widget]

Might has great synergy with Fury, despite Fury not being a heavy crit spec

[modest condor]

brb playing spear in m+

[warm crag]

spearing

[fickle cedar]

goes crazy in cleft for like 5mins

[red berry]

yes but ive said i like stronger CDs and its more synergy

[edgy widget]

why I said, they'd need to make some AoE radius improvements

[red berry]

if they did increase the radius id be happier to play it

[edgy widget]

ultimately though, it's academic, because I don't think both CDs will survive into next expansion

[dense elbow]

RIP spear, you wont be missed.

[clever belfry]

sure hope not 👍

[tepid cedar]

Spear just feeels sooooo good especially in a lust window

[edgy widget]

Spear + Bladestorm unironically goes really hard

[tepid cedar]

I started playing spear in s2 soon as it came out I was having a freaking blast. However the size of the pulls and the constant moving around really fuck up pulls

[edgy widget]

yep

just add another effect onto Verdict: "increases the size of Champion's Spear by 50% and Champion's Spear no longer tethers afflicted targets."

although I kinda like the tether, I imagine increasing the size would imbalance it for PvP, so it's a compromise

[tepid cedar]

I always thought combine champions might with initial spear talent and add capstone to increase radius and and 45sec reduction

[dense elbow]

Nah, the tether in PvP is very easy to get out of. So shouldnt be an issue, beyond making some noobers mad.

[edgy widget]

45s CDR is very unlikely lol

[tepid cedar]

Wishful thinking mainly

[clever belfry]

only thing that might get the 45s cdr is AM for reck

static cdr my beloved
dynamic cdr 😠

[dense elbow]

I enjoy AM as dynamic, my brain likes it

[edgy widget]

I doubt that too, as much as some people may want it, Blizz really likes their dynamic effects

[tepid cedar]

Shit. Remove the tether and make it a slow instead. Would make it viable in m+. Cause right now you tether in a swirlie, you just basically said fuck you to all melee 😂😂

[modest condor]

just dont stand in the swirly?

[edgy widget]

he's saying that if the mobs are tethered inside it means you can't drag them out

[dense elbow]

Just make spear a pull in, and PvE and PvP is happy - and it could have a bigger range

[tepid cedar]

Can’t move them out sil

[dense elbow]

Spear aim in PvP would also be kinda high skill expression, as you want to minmax airtime

[fickle cedar]

this would be too good and it would probably end up removing blood dks in raid

[dense elbow]

Ah right

forgot about their raidbuff

mah bad

[red berry]

feel like itd be really good with ravager + TB

if TB caught any buff at all id be happy

[tepid cedar]

It is.

[red berry]

yeah? makes sense. i havent tried yet

[edgy widget]

not bad, but not as good - issue with Ravager/TB is that they run out of the CM buff window

[tepid cedar]

I don’t think thane apl is optimized for spear. It’s to far down in the list I think. Theoritcatly you would want opener and soon as enraged bang your spear to get tickle with ravager. Way apl is right now it takes a bit between that casts and ravager is basically done. Would love to see the numbers with thane spear build

[red berry]

i think some people do run it but as archi mentioned, window

[edgy widget]

probably isn't, no

[red berry]

4 seconds between clap

[edgy widget]

but it was in the past, and that's always been the issue

at best you can bank a TBlast then Blast -> Ava -> Blast to refresh the CD

[red berry]

although you could have a TB already ready to go and refresh whyb a atar

yeah lmao

ignore my phone i was trying to type the same thing

[edgy widget]

not saying you can't still do dam, you're just not able to concentrate as much of it the way Bladestorm can

[red berry]

it would benefit 3 stack slayer more for sure

hope you roll 3 lucky procs on the BTs

[merry jetty]

Which of the 2 specs wins in pure ST now? fury?

[edgy widget]

kinda depends, the two are very close

[merry jetty]

How come everyoens fury on locken then?

[edgy widget]

Because the two are very close, so it kinda depends

[merry jetty]

What makes locken a fury fight?

[edgy widget]

wouldn't say it's really either, both perform pretty similar on it, just more people playing it as Fury

[dense elbow]

Dont underestimate ppl's will to "maybe lose some DPS", for what they enjoy

[edgy widget]

don't underestimate FunkyKitty's likelihood to weigh in on a subject they have no insight on either

[dense elbow]

Oh, sorry, I must have been wrong, and it was untrue. My bad.

[edgy widget]

whether it was or not, it wasn't relevant lol

[dense elbow]

My bad.

[edgy widget]

Arms performance on that fight is practically neck and neck with Fury, there are just a lot more people playing Fury (there always are)

and the reason more people play Fury is because there's no reliance on maintaining Juggernaut and it generally has better survivability as well

[quiet breach]

has there ever been a tier where fury was dogwater and arms was good? did more ppl still play fury even then?

[edgy widget]

yeah, a lot of them

Sanctum, for example

[tepid cedar]

lol don’t bring that up

[quiet breach]

and fury was still more popular even then?

[fickle cedar]

emerald nightmare

[tepid cedar]

Blacksmith was so fun as fury 😂😂

[edgy widget]

overall? yeah
might not be more mythic parses on every boss, but in terms of total playerbase yeah Fury is usually more popular

[quiet breach]

is arms usually the more popular spec for pvp? across wow history

[edgy widget]

Even Amirdrassil, Arms was ahead of Fury for most of it, yet Fury had more players

[edgy widget]

historically, yes

[forest owl]

The reason why there are more fury players is because 2 bonking sticks better than 1

[tepid cedar]

Well the speed of fury is just much more fun as well

[quiet breach]

what's the slowest DPS spec currently

[low folio]

not gonna lie, my desire to play fury initially was because it could use 2 big sticks

[quiet breach]

slowest as in like, lowest APM ig

[edgy widget]

evoker I think

[low folio]

if there is still a spec that haste doesnt effect gcd

[quiet breach]

both Aug and deva?

[barren stone]

dev is sitting at 32.5 OMEGALUL

[edgy widget]

aug doesn't exist

[fickle cedar]

blizzard shot it in the back (deserved)

[quiet breach]

32.5 APM?

[barren stone]

ye

[quiet breach]

what's fury warrior

[barren stone]

68.5?

[quiet breach]

goddamn

[forest owl]

Could make a coffee between gcds playing dev

[barren stone]

if i remember correctly

dev is a OSRS spec

can play RS while playing dev

[quiet breach]

what's the highest one and what number is it?

[tepid cedar]

lol but by god do they hit hard af though

[barren stone]

outlaw i think wiht 69? 70?

sth like that

[tepid cedar]

I don’t think outlaw is number 1 atm

[quiet breach]

did blizzard specifically make evoker to be a boomer spec 😂

[barren stone]

it is outlaw

[fickle cedar]

they introduced spells where you hold the key to get a different result

[barren stone]

not counting pink noobs

[quiet breach]

bro WHAT prot paladin is a zoomer spec? I watch their gameplay and it looks like it would be slow to me

[barren stone]

not counting tanks since they have a lot of off GCD shit

[quiet breach]

well I guess tanks have a lot of buttons in general

[gleaming siren]

stacks haste and has many off GCD casts (SotR)

[quiet breach]

I specced prot for the first time yesterday to try to set it up but I deadass am going to have to rearrange my entire UI to make it work

cuz it has so many more buttons than fury

or maybe not maybe I can just use the side bar

I like having all my active abilities on the 3 bottom bars though

I don't really want to put the effort in of setting up a UI or finding one I like to copy for elvui so I'll probably just deal with having some abilities on the side bar

[modest condor]

better nerf fury

[dense elbow]

That had to be some juicy bloodbeasts

[modest condor]

they pulled pretty much the whole first room in meadery except for chewie

oh wait nvm there's still the whole left side lol

they pulled 3 muscles tho

[dense elbow]

I am happy for em, looks like a ton of fun

[whole yacht]

honestly. mage doing too much.

[forest owl]

Fury would be chilling with that vdh

What key level is that do you know silm?

[pulsar quest]

Why do I feel like a bad guy when I pick fury in keys now

I feel like I’m being judged

[dense elbow]

cause you are a bad guy

[pulsar quest]

Honestly until I gap other dps on the boss I feel like they are judging me

On the aoe pills

Pulls

[dense elbow]

yep, they are

[pulsar quest]

NOO!!!!!!!

[dense elbow]

Not only are they judging, half the time they will comment on it too

[modest condor]

16

[pulsar quest]

It’s so fun to play but man

It really feels bad in aoe

[dense elbow]

Turn off chat and meters, and just play

[pulsar quest]

Like it FEELS good to press your buttons

[forest owl]

I get to the boss and im like ahh yeah whose the boss now, let me have my time...befre the nxt 20m dps pull comes up

[pulsar quest]

Bro I’m running 15s I can’t ignore my dps lol

[dense elbow]

Sure you can

[pulsar quest]

If I’m not doing enough I’m fucking everybody over

[dense elbow]

Are you killing the bosses?

[pulsar quest]

It does feel good on like DFC and TOP

That’s the only 2 I really like

[dense elbow]

If you killing the bosses, ya dont need to see the rest

not your job

[pulsar quest]

Well there’s other classes that do both unfortunately

[dense elbow]

Dont look at what others bring, only care for what you bring

[pulsar quest]

Monks being good this season has made it a little nicer for us atleast

[forest owl]

Ye just turn the dps meter onto something else during the run and check it once its over

[silver pecan]

How the fuck are people getting 2.5m on sprock bruh

[velvet obsidian]

Run interrupt meters and damage taken. Then you can cope and tell yourself that you beat them on mechanics

[sour frigate]

good?

mediocre at best

m+ wise

will be worse as season goes

[thorny peak]

is there a way to see delves loot table?

[modest condor]

put it on external healing recieved (if that's even a setting)

[torpid acorn]

does anyone know how to get rid of that bar right there

[pulsar quest]

Looks like a rage bar in your weakaura pack

Open weakauras and type rage in the search

Find the one that looks like that in that position and delete it or disable it

[torpid acorn]

Ahh ok thanks bro

[winter shoal]

You should also be able to use fstack to find what ui element that is, it'll probably point to the weakaura

I think it's just /fstack in game

[pulsar quest]

I already helped him bud back off

Find your own

[torpid acorn]

That framestack had my screen buggin

[winter shoal]

My fault king

[clear axle]

First time really playing m+, just got all 10s done. How big is the jump to 11s and 12s?

Im also pugging the entire thing

[grim lake]

noticeable

[dense elbow]

10 to 11 is annoying, as the 11 area got kinda low attendance. Either you do 10 for weekly, or 12+ as that is where the resistant point starts and bouncing begins.

Difficulty wise, it becomes gradually less forgiving and you got to push your own potential for every +1 level by quite a bit.

[warped bridge]

in Theater of Pain, can other players dodge/parry in the duel?

[dense elbow]

Yep, normally the one who is losing on purpose spam sit while facing away

[warped bridge]

can you see this in logs at all or do people just assume?

[dense elbow]

See no reason it won't be in the logs, as with any parry mechanic. And it isn't assumed, I PvP the duel a lot

[dense fulcrum]

is pacemaker good for fury?

[summer quail]

yes

[quiet breach]

when did blizzard remove heroic strike from the game

or has it been removed then came back then been removed again?

[dense fulcrum]

for aoe is better than kezan?

[shrewd magnet]

2014?

[shrewd magnet]

completely removed for all specs in 2017

[shrewd magnet]

i believe eye of kezan if for long fights like in raids. M+ not so much? but i could be wrong

[dense fulcrum]

idk i still dont knwo whats better for m+

i have 665 pacemaker 665 mechano core and 658 kezan

but somewhat kezan seems to sim higher on raidbot

weird...idk

[summer quail]

for m+ kezan is not good. stacks drop whenever you're not in combat

[shrewd magnet]

i dont think you can trust the sims in that kind of situation. sims are near-perfect combat simulations that are extremely difficult to replicate in real life

665 pacemaker and 665 mechanocore are alrdy good for M+.

for kezan to be viable in M+, you need your group to constantly be in combat so that kezan stacks wont drop off

[frank vault]

What are you running for your sim? In my sims Kezan is worse than my 645 Mechano Core for M+... ( 5 target patchwork, 2 minutes )

[shrewd magnet]

this too. you can switch around settings in raidbots to simulate ST or AoE fight, but still

[gilded pawn]

That’s because your sim doesn’t have time to stack kezan

[flat river]

which one should i level as an alt 🤔

[silver pecan]

What do I need to get a 99 on this shit licking boss?

[frank vault]

Right, just like M+. 😂

[clever belfry]

Do more damage

[flat river]

[sullen dove]

wish could see which boss it was

relatively flat line tho assumes sprocket

in which case yea just more damage

[silver pecan]

Yeah wont happen in these shit pugs I get into

My sim is 2.44m and to get a 99 is 2.45m

No shot i'm getting robot numbers

[gilded pawn]

just get better rng

[tepid cedar]

Kezzan is starting to be my go to . In 15s your usually in pulls pretty consistently

And when I do hit the 20 stacks by the time where going into a longer pack you lose 5-6 stacks. Which really ain’t a lot

[shrewd magnet]

obama

[tepid cedar]

Can’t blame the pugs lol … sometimes the pugs give you better damage number because ur force to pick yup the slack for them

[shrewd magnet]

and most times pugs deplete the key for apparently no reason

i pugged my 13 motherlode, priest died even before the first pull and we had no idea why. we went on for the first pull and he dies 2 seconds in and left the party.

[quiet breach]

bruh 💀

maybe trolling?

or dc

[shrewd magnet]

he released immediately in first death

so idk about disconnect XD

[quiet breach]

could also be that he was embarassed

and left and insta logged

to not face the flame

that he thought was coming

[shrewd magnet]

probably im not mad but was still really weird to me

like dude

also nobody in key was mad, more like shocked to even say anything at all XD

[compact knot]

its the average of the robots number

ofc it plays the same every time, but RNG can cause big ups or big downs

[silver pecan]

This is the only boss where I'm not even getting close to 99%

[compact knot]

parse hunting heroic...

[silver pecan]

yeah

and?

[compact knot]

kinda owns

[silver pecan]

Nothing else to do I cba to sit in queue simulator trying to get into 13/14 keys as a fury warrior

[compact knot]

make a unholy dk

spec is stupid op and a lot of fun

[shrewd magnet]

do you run your own keys?

[silver pecan]

sometimes

[smoky vale]

ill run down your keys again as frost

🙂

[compact knot]

ive learned unholy i think fully now

[smoky vale]

i used to be like that

[compact knot]

did like 4m overall at 640 ilvl

[smoky vale]

when do you press festering

[compact knot]

i was like that last expansion

now i just get 99s or 100s on the first kill

uhh

i dont push that button ngl

om

[smoky vale]

yeah i legit only press that right as apoc is coming up

thats it

otherwise ss and dc

lol

[compact knot]

yeah thats usually when i push it

[smoky vale]

i peaked tww prepatch

[compact knot]

the wowhead site says you push it to get festering wounds

[smoky vale]

festering wounds dont matter while in dt lol

[compact knot]

i kinda did too, i think i have one of the biggest gaps from a rank 1 to rank 2 parse ever

normal smolderon 🤤

my crown jewel of a parse is on a normal boss

still was a crank but

[smoky vale]

thats a diff kind of cancer

i only did hc

no normal

[compact knot]

i wanted to test a trinket on normal smolderon

so i only killed him

turned out to be pretty good

[smoky vale]

look who i found in a pug during amridrassil

[compact knot]

i see him

[smoky vale]

my goat

i only have 1 parse above him

[compact knot]

2 of my gcds in this fight did more damage than a warlock did the entire fight

LMAOO

[smoky vale]

what

no way

[compact knot]

smolderon is just the best boss ever made