#fury

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willow cradle
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Aight yeah swapping mythic guilds mid prog is usually not that great unless you're unhappy. In that case have you checked out some M+ discords? You might be able to find a group who wants to push in there.

oblique trail
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If that's what your group needs in a key, and prio damage from whatever other specs you're playing with is more than filled, then pick as you want

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Either spec is playable in any key

slim coral
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Both specs feel really good in keys ngl

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Thane is kinda like what fire mage was when it was brought for prio damage that one tier

gilded pawn
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play full ST then cleave out your combust

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sorry

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your ignite

clever belfry
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@oblique trail thoughts?

oblique trail
clever belfry
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so

oblique trail
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Apart from when to next post balls

willow cradle
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Also just curious cause I missed quite a bit of tuning stuff when I was taking a break.

Is it me or is ThunderBlast/Thunderclap lagging behind RB and BT damage since they buffed them after the talent changed?

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Feels like a wet noodle comparatively to before

red berry
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thunder blast is still strong in AoE

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but it could stand to be stronger

chilly fractal
willow cradle
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Okay glad to see I'm not just whack for thinking that.

fickle cedar
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doesn't hit like it used to

red berry
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its still 14-18% of my damage in keys, depending on how lucky i get

fickle cedar
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I mean the other base abilities got boosted so much

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yeah it's fine but should be buffed, doesn't feel that good to press considering it's the important flavor ability of thane

red berry
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ive talked about this before but ground current being so limp when its soft capped is wack to me

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it wouldn't address our damage in larger groups

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but it might feel less bad if it was just straightup uncapped

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101k is with enrage, obviously

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incidental damage because of random stuff isn't great either but its already there

fickle cedar
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yeah maybe, I do dislike passive damage though but that's a personal thing

vague sierra
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I don't discriminate, give me any damage you've got, thx.

fickle cedar
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I mean yeah I'll take anything tho

red berry
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if thunder blast was made 8 targets or it got 5-10% i'd be happier with it

vague sierra
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Wizards have no scruples, we can't either. 🙂

hardy shuttle
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I just want thane to have bres. Target a dead ally and clap on top of their corpse as a defibrillator. And my dopamine would offset the target cap

willow cradle
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Oh yeah, soft capping us to 5 and also removing the talents that caused blizz to soft cap us to 5 targets in the first place feels like a negative IQ move but then again I'm not a game dev.

red berry
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yeah idk why they gutted titan's torment without returning odyn's fury back to relevance

fickle cedar
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yeah we have so much dead talents after those buffs

red berry
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and if they're concerned about it overtaking other capstones there's things to be done about that too

willow cradle
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We already did tbh but now it's worse

red berry
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a strong odyn's fury isn't going to resolve fury's AoE dispartiy in keys though

willow cradle
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But the auto enrage and WW stacks are nice af

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I miss that

red berry
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they are very nice

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it did help smooth stuff out and i do miss it

willow cradle
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Should be baseline imo

fickle cedar
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they're probably careful with it now, don't wanna repeat s1 fury incident, we're an instant burst class after all

red berry
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not any more lmao

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our consistent damage is very strong now though and that's the profile that was evidently picked for us

warm crag
fickle cedar
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I mean our kit, we don't build damage like say unholy, the changes fucked odyn

random raptor
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being able to do consistent keys without 70% downtime trying to pug would be incredible

clever path
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i just tried the dude's build, it performed better than any other slayer build i tried + i find it very close to performance against my thane setup

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6-7m dps on huge pulls, saw 8-9 million peaks

red berry
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what build

remote bobcat
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lol

clever path
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this build

red berry
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no its okay. let the fury warrior have it. this is a support group

clever path
clever path
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well i have to sweat from my ass to be able to pull that dmg off on thane in my own experience in big pulls xD

remote bobcat
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this slayer will have good value in +9 and below keys next week

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but like

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tf

astral steeple
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Fury or Arms for max dps? and why?

remote bobcat
oblique trail
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If all you care about is making your overall look good, then Arms

fickle cedar
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yeah that build is probably a bit better if mobs die fast, although spear for m+ is a bit yikes

astral steeple
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Im new. Looking how to get the most out of my toon

clever path
remote bobcat
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?????

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that build has spear

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wdym

granite crown
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Just don't press it 4Head

fickle cedar
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they probably changed it for roar

quiet breach
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does best in slots lose alot of value if u have an on use trinket?

willow cradle
remote bobcat
clever path
dense elbow
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Why would Slayer be any better in lower keys? The ST fights are even shorter garms
Only thing Slayer got going for it is the ST DPS. The AoE burst only exists if RNG allows the unghinged reap dream (and even that is pretty bad)

unkempt grotto
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Is there a trick to breaking people out of the disk-mc on mythic rik? Seems like they always just die to our damage

red berry
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lacking raging blow talents has to feel so limp in ST

fickle cedar
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slayer bursts a bit harder while thane has a smoother damage curve and a bit less burst

oblique trail
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If you mean in the intermission, if you are hit it's basically death

clever path
willow cradle
unkempt grotto
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So if we have a tank that loves intermission disks, we're hooped?

oblique trail
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Yes unless you always have a CR ready for when they mess up every intermission

remote bobcat
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so yea

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idk

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open eyes gamers

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!

dense elbow
# red berry lacking raging blow talents has to feel so limp in ST

I played Execute build a lot in S1 for fun, it is quite strong for what it is. As long RNG doesnt decide to scuff your AJ on bosses.

It is weaker than RB, as execute is quite weak, but it is a lot better than one would initially think without playing it.

Not to mention, it is the most Slayer-feel playstyle.

willow cradle
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You don't have any thing else to do during that time if you're not a healer. Just tell them to focus on dodging.

remote bobcat
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also if you play warrior on rik reverb and you dont go defensive stance you deserve a tranq shot in your ass

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irl

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👍

quiet breach
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can u not use armory for top gear?

remote bobcat
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no

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top gear checks ur inventory

oblique trail
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Technically you can

quiet breach
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I understand it won't show my bags but I wanna sim something and I'm not at home

oblique trail
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You just gotta convert it to a simc input first through quick sim

quiet breach
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ahhh :5head:

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ty

oblique trail
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Search your character in quick sim, press convert to simc input, then paste it in top gear

oblique trail
remote bobcat
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just go ingame and grab the string

oblique trail
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Okay and what if you're not at home to do this

remote bobcat
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then dont sim it

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do it when home

oblique trail
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People can forget to do it when they're home, but need it to be finished before they're home, for raid loot purposes

remote bobcat
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do it during 1st boss

gloomy narwhal
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Hello, we can use Doggenfogger now or not ?

oblique trail
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Not sure if you're aware, but setups are typically made before a raid starts

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👍

remote bobcat
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solo warrior always taken cant relate

oblique trail
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It no longer does enough damage to make up for the fact that the mob you spawn can die

gloomy narwhal
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use Mecha Gore?

oblique trail
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If you have it sure, but just use top gear sims to get an idea based on your options

quiet breach
remote bobcat
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whooooosh

chilly tulip
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what do we craft

oblique trail
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Check through top gear and craft options there based on what high ilvl slots you already have, if you already have a weapon and want to craft armour embellishments

foggy pine
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this is so stupid im trying to kill underpin ?? but i have to repair everytime

chilly tulip
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im new to fury so i need to craft al;;

oblique trail
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Long story short is
675 weapon if no myth track weapon yet
If you have a myth track weapon already then 2x dusk/dawnthread on 2 armour pieces

oblique trail
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Would still recommend just doing a top gear sim on raidbots to figure out your options if you want to be completely certain

remote bobcat
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unfortunately a lot of people dont put that much effort into their characters

rotund ginkgo
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Huh

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was

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mr lockandstalk buffed

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or sth

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bloodmallet has it simming 2nd highest on ST

oblique trail
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Yes, almost every damage trinket was buffed around a week ago

next ruin
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I thought of going RA on vexxie clueless

chrome plover
winter shoal
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Think that one needs to go back in the oven bud

gilded pawn
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not if they die in 3 gcds

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noob never simmed for 3 gcd patchwork

gleaming siren
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with this one

tepid lily
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true though

fair swallow
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Me when no bis

gusty compass
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I have a question about House of Cards trinket. Is it used on pre pull or what is the best trick to use it?

warm crag
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press it with ava

feral ivy
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i got a question i have some crit item and sim is saying its better than haste/mastery/vers items but i see other ppl will full haste+mastery items

willow cradle
gusty compass
feral ivy
warm crag
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trust simulationcraft if your sim isnt set up badly

warm crag
supple estuary
gusty compass
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Just asking mate, got it from our HC re run yesterday.

supple estuary
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Yeah fk it keep life easy

gusty compass
eager mulch
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Best-In-Slots
Can it still have its equip passive proc when:
A) You're under the active effect buff
B) When the active is on cd
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I did a quick google but working- dropping this here to check later for hopeful answer

flat river
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leave the cooking to the pros

steady harness
willow cradle
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Trick question

quiet breach
random raptor
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I just listen to the robot

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its 4 am and after 4 hours of trying to get into 13s, I got into dfc and timed it

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we're so back

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no idea if this is good damage

gilded pawn
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9 kicks is diabolical

fickle cedar
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classic fotm ret clueless

remote bobcat
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classic ret

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drop the fotm

nimble sphinx
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So I had the option of myth track pacemaker from vault on Tuesday and a mechano core. I simmed took mechano core and now I get fucked cool 😦

quiet breach
remote bobcat
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such is life

ionic bone
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Guys how do u sim raid cleave ?

remote bobcat
ionic bone
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that count 5 min non-stop

remote bobcat
ionic bone
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it's 80% ST with a little cleave

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the sim won't be accurate at all

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for raid

remote bobcat
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lol

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"robot play the raid for me"

ionic bone
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? What do u even mean? The sims is calculating 5 min of 2 targets non-stop

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for the whole 5 min duration

hexed wave
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Change patchwerk to cleave add

remote bobcat
ionic bone
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Hectic might be the case at stix i gues, so Cleave Add it is

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ty

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Delve trinkets hit different this expac

sullen dove
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never heard of that trinket in my life

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what is that

remote bobcat
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delve trink

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procs a debuff iirc

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not too shabby

ionic bone
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better than pacemaker or house of cards

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on pure ST

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kinda nuts

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Lock n Stalk also sims better in ST than those two

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at least for me

remote bobcat
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for most

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ye

quiet breach
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is lock n stalk consistent or highly variable

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what about compared to the consistency of seaforium pacemaker

warm crag
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variance on lockenstock isnt too bad probs

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seaforium is a 50% uptime trinket it doesnt have variance

remote bobcat
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i just realized that sprocketmonger lockenstock drops Lock'N'Stalk

rocky wharf
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Yeah i dont get it. I vaulted a normal eye kezan only for a delve trinket to beat it this week :/

remote bobcat
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dont take a normal item from vault

ionic bone
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Turbo-Drain still sims better than anything else on "Cleave add" wtf ?

warm crag
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idk aoe trinket sims are a bit bait in general

ionic bone
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on Hectic add cleave it did replace it with Pacemaker

rocky wharf
remote bobcat
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zero decent mythic dungeon items from vault?

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you skip myth track for eye of kezan?

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champion track kezan?

lapis eagle
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i got heroic kezan 🧐

ionic bone
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that's the only trinket i don't have 😄

gleaming siren
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Kezan is lowkey not as good as it's made out to be unless you regularly have encounters that are longer than 5 minutes

warm crag
rocky wharf
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Champ eye. I ran first 10+ last week. N got aotc. Weak trinket n a parry wrists this week

remote bobcat
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eh

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Kinda not worth the take imo

lapis eagle
ionic bone
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From the wowhead guide. 665 is 0.01% worse than 662 keks

gilded pawn
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nah no way we just recommended hectic add cleave

coarse nest
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Should only sim Patchwerk imo

clever belfry
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mr cbt trinket

gleaming crag
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Archs new Twitter picture ❤️ does it still scale off hp ?

past pivot
ionic bone
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Because it's the only relevent sim for Stix ?

quiet breach
smoky vale
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no

quiet breach
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or can u only get those items in the vault if u actually kill bandit/gallywix on mythic difficulty

smoky vale
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2

low folio
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dungeon vault slots are dungeon loot only

past pivot
chilly fractal
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Really just need to kill Gally on Mythic once and you’ll have the entire loot table of the raid unlocked for vault

chilly fractal
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Yes

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It used to be just bosses you’ve killed

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But it got changed to any loot to bosses through what you’ve beaten once on that difficulty

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Since Gally is the end boss it unlocks everything

quiet breach
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so u can kill mythic gallywix once, then do only 8/8 heroic every week for the rest of the season and u can get mythic track eye of kezan in ur vault every week? @chilly fractal

chilly fractal
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No

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You gotta kill Mythic bosses for mythic loot

quiet breach
hardy bluff
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yes

chilly fractal
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Yes

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Or Best in slots

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Or Jastor diamond

hardy bluff
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or first boss bracers

quiet breach
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ok I understand how it works now

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ty

chilly fractal
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Right

sullen dove
smoky vale
chilly fractal
warm crag
quiet breach
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is there any other specs that have to set their loot spec as something else

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like we have to set to arms so we get only 2handers, any other specs have to do something like that?

hollow forge
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arcane does, or used to at least

mild ravine
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Prob frost dks

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Same story, I think

warm crag
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outlaw wants dagger offhands they can't get naturally

chilly fractal
hollow forge
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they can get some weird mana healer trinkets

chilly fractal
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Weirdge

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Get em shard of woe

dense elbow
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Giving back to the community gladge see, someone invites you

smoky vale
dense elbow
smoky vale
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if im not allowed to they shouldnt be either

gleaming crag
smoky vale
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not if you kill last boss

feral ivy
remote bobcat
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yall how do you fight vexie mythic without wanting to barcode oneself

remote bobcat
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oil

somber elk
remote bobcat
chilly fractal
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If you kill a boss in the raid you are eligible from then on all the loot off that boss and all bosses prior to that in future vaults

thorny cove
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guys what's the easiest spec to pug 3k on without having to do your own keys? veng dh?

feral ivy
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any healer and if dps pallyu

gleaming crag
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I wouldn't want mythic :-p

remote bobcat
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legit passenger gameplay

thorny cove
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not gameplay wise easiest invite wise

remote bobcat
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tanks get more invites than healers

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by a smaaaalll bit

quiet breach
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besides trinkets, shields, and one handers, is prot loot spec any different from arms loot spec?

dense elbow
quiet breach
dense elbow
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Just rando Fury Warriors from que

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I know they dont get invited that often, so why not be the change you want to see

quiet breach
remote bobcat
quiet breach
smoky vale
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depends on how your guild is doing it

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idk

quiet breach
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I'm also bad tho

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so don't take advice from me

remote bobcat
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just killed it was clean nvm vexie is chill

quiet breach
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it was the only way to get GTFO to stop yelling at me

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lel

remote bobcat
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our initial vexie kill was gigashit

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now its chillo

edgy oasis
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Guys: my logs are shocking this season. Having had a look at Mythic Vexie. wanted to ask the question:

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My CD are up a whole 20 secs before boss takes 100% dmg. Am i to hold for this long????

feral ivy
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i would

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unless u look and see if u can get it back reck and BS up again

brisk talon
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the amp phase lasts long enough that you should get another set of cooldowns before it's over

feral ivy
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^

smoky vale
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no way you hold cds

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if you are parsing

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you send on cd

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the damage phase is not included

edgy oasis
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so am i getting a shit parse because im missing being enraged 100% of the time? I note 2 ish abilities not under enraged?

feral ivy
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depends how far the boss is from ur cyclers and if u throwing it on them

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thats where i lose dmg

edgy oasis
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too far to cleave 🙂

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also boss is well in oil

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love tanks that step a toe nail outside

feral ivy
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ur not progging right?

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well obv

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nvm

quiet breach
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@remote bobcat if u do 8 +10 motherlode's and those are the only mythic +s u do the entire week, will your 3 dungeon vault slots only have motherlode gear in it? or gear from all 8 dungeons regardless?

smoky vale
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all 8

feral ivy
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if only that how it would work 😦 i would love that

coarse nest
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Low key I wouldn’t mind it working that way

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Reasonable way to target aquire items

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From M+ pool

rocky wharf
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a follow up question, does drop rate from wowhead matter? like if u farming for a .02% vs 6%

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end of dungeon loot

sullen dove
waxen vale
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was wondering same lol

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that’s some giga misinformation

undone flower
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2 loots on 2 people -> item chosen on their loot spec from the entire loot table

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so for example floodgate trinket (with arms loot spec) -> 2/5 chance to be one of the two who gets the loot x 1/6 bc 6 items so 6.6%

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100/6.6 = around 15, on average (i don't remember what it is called maybe not average) you need to run 15 floodgates to have the item

smoky vale
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its sending in bikes

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lol

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a little bit of trolliing

edgy widget
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Yeah, bike damage isn't counted the same way rolling trash damage isn't counted on stix, it would get pretty ridiculous

smoky vale
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i would have believed it if it was the damage amp the way wcl does shit

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which is why i just auto assumed it

crisp elbow
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I'm using this macro. With Thunderous Roar being cast at the same time, does it still benefit from Recklessness' +20% chance to crit and Avatar's +20% dmg?

Are their effects immediate? Or does there need to be some fraction of a second for them to take effect, making Thunderous Roar needed to be cast separately?

oblique trail
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It's used in the order that you place them

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So Roar would be affected by both Reck and Avatar in this macro

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However it really doesn't matter much if it is, because the majority of Roar's damage is the dot

hardy vault
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why house of cards is behind lens and suspicious on simdps ?

sudden tusk
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depends oni your current gear

kind wind
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is there anything worth dropping for bitter immunity this week for affix? or is it just "healer affix" week

left perch
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just press IV

kind wind
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did they change it to a heal absorb? thought it had to be dispelled

left perch
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healed or dispelled

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both work

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I usually dispel my squishy class and then try to aoe heal the rest off on hpal

kind wind
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oh, thats good then . tyvm

gilded pawn
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if you down mythic gallywix it unlocks EVERYTHING before

fallen sedge
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Is Mister Lock-N-stalk any good for multi target for us? All the sim and bloodmallet data I looked up seems to only be for SP mode, which sims worse in 5 target than my s1 trinket.

sudden tusk
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aoe i p weak

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st is good

fallen sedge
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ah oki, thanks

delicate notch
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I'm just pressing buttons and numbers go up and things fall down

This spec is nuts

novel arch
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This may be a stupid question, but should you press Rampage on 80 rage or 100+? The wowhead guide says Raging Blow/Bloodthirst over rampage if you're under 100 rage but other sources seem to imply that you should hit it if it's available.

keen dove
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do not look at rage

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if u have 2x raging blow

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spend one and then rampage

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so u dont miss a proc

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if you are 130 rage then rampage no matter what ofc

clever belfry
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??? brother

mild ravine
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Man is throwing bts left and right

gleaming siren
clever belfry
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@warm crag 7

clever belfry
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7

fair swallow
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Need me a jastor diamond

quiet breach
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have u ever actually chosen the vibe over the sim B4 @gilded pawn

sage smelt
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we haven't even killed gallywix on heroic (social guild) but I was pleasantly surprised with my chest this week

gilded pawn
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i click all passive trinkets

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all damage trinkets

clever belfry
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vibe simming

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i tried to make chatgpt to vibe sim for me

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it didnt wanna

thorny peak
fair swallow
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Some get the jastor diamond, me? I get knock off tier shoulders

quiet breach
fair swallow
keen dove
fair swallow
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After bladestorm you get a 20% buff to rampage damage, so you want to do at least 2 raging blows before you rampage so that in total you buff rampage by 60%

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If you get lucky with raging blow resets you go higher but most times it's just 2 raging blows

quiet breach
fair swallow
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If you're going for cdr like critcake does on say reverb then you just full send rampage

fair swallow
quiet breach
coarse nest
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Bro its in the name

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Vibes>>>>>

fair swallow
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Now that I think about it, if you get really lucky, you can buff up your rampage by about 210% damage if the stars align

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Unless the damage buffs don't add together then I'd be wrong

hollow leaf
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How does the prio with BT and RB change with thane? Or is it still just BT at 85% crit

fair swallow
formal stump
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Maybe its just me. I find I get better dps with Mountain Thane then Slayer.

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And I mean single target wise not multi

warm crag
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it is just you king

fair swallow
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You might be doing something wrong in slayer then

formal stump
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Maybe. Not sure what

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Sim says my dps should be at least 2mil while Mountain Thane is at 1.6. Yet I barely scratch 1.3 with Slayer

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And im consistant with 1.6 to 1.8 with Mountain Thane that i've tested

warm crag
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that is incredibly wrong ya

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if you have a log toss it into wowanalyzer

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or read a guide

fair swallow
spare steppe
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cause ST slayer is still higher than MT

formal stump
gilded pawn
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link the sim

fair swallow
clever belfry
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mr cbt op

formal stump
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Going by the rotation on WoW head also

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I know my ilvl is not up there. But still. I feel like I've gone up in everything since season one and my dps feels like it got worse

fair swallow
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And where are you hitting 1.3 m in?

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Like in your guild raid or in dungeons?

gilded pawn
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seems just rotational issues

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thane doesnt need a SD weakaura

formal stump
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Mythics when I attempt. Bosses in lfr. Delves bosses. Hell even the tester dummy

fair swallow
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And the sim is showing you with ideal buffs and rotations

formal stump
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Also I feel like Thane just crits more

fair swallow
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I.e all raid buffs , flask, pots, augment , etc

formal stump
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Yeah I kinda figured. But to not break 1.3 single target even with opener burst?

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I usually open with popping cd's. charge, WW, then RB, RB, BT and Rampage

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Then go from there

flat river
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do u guys like my macro

formal stump
fair swallow
warm crag
formal stump
compact siren
remote bobcat
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man i love dying on stix because my ball people dont get their scrapmaster

fair swallow
formal stump
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Cause my info is conflicted

fair swallow
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In single target you pre pop CD charge rampage then bladestorm

fair swallow
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The theory crafter here arch updates the wowhead guide and does an amazing job keeping it and this discord #dps-faq updated

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So check the fury section of FAQ or wowhead guide

formal stump
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lol tbh I kinda miss the days of hit/exp and stacking crit and str lol. Simpler times

fair swallow
#

Simpler times but I like retail better

thorny cove
#

nothing brings me greater joy bricking people's 12 keys learning prot because they won't inv me as fury

gilded pawn
#

also its like

#

your opener is 5 seconds

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in a 5+ minute fight

#

if you fuck up your opener who cares

flat river
#

it's good in m+

fair swallow
chilly fractal
#

failing to see when Mass Destruction would ever be useful... like half the damage split

fair swallow
#

If you're really struggling try hekili

fair swallow
sour frigate
fair swallow
#

So even with 10 targets that's an extra 60k damage on each target per proc

flat river
#

its not

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i just used it

#

does everything

fair swallow
#

So it's not the best aoe trinket but it's better than nothing

fair swallow
#

And when reaching a boss you can swap to precision

fair swallow
remote bobcat
#

yippie?

waxen vale
#

so it would taunt before you were fully setup

open wigeon
#

I had forgotten how cool AM was, just send it and fuck it

chilly fractal
flat river
#

ok guys im sorry for trying to be funny

clever belfry
#

swifty 1 live

waxen vale
#

well anyone who has played warrior for a long time has thought of making a similar macro :p

sullen dove
#

when i was like 12 in wod i made a swifty "DEFENSIVE" macro that was literally every healing item and like pvp stamina trinket and defensive my class had

#

definitely some top tier shit

sour frigate
clever belfry
#

crazy gif

coarse nest
sullen dove
#

top tier

#

same B)

remote bobcat
coarse nest
#

Actually no 3 on last pull technically

remote bobcat
#

humble advice

coarse nest
#

Yeah shoot

remote bobcat
#

defensive stance is the best ability in the game on that boss

#

clipping fire is 2mil dmg

#

and always go for melee kicks

#

fish for them

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if every melee does it

#

then u win

sullen dove
#

i mean if they're in melee yea not hard to kick

coarse nest
#

I’m assigned a marker to kick

#

So I have to kick my guy when the WA glows the frame

sullen dove
#

main issue for us is rolling into crabs or not picking up scrapmasters

#

surely we figure that outa nd it just falls over

#

assigned kicks why

remote bobcat
sullen dove
#

and for a melee??

coarse nest
#

I try to point out these things but they always just remain silent

#

🤷

remote bobcat
#

tell em

#

that you have gotten advice from stix killers

#

and they said

#

that melee kick assignemnts are more confusing that helping

coarse nest
#

“No parse for you mentality”

#

It’s painful sometimes

remote bobcat
#

coolio

eager mulch
#

Question, what is it between the crafted greataxe and greatsword that makes the greatsword craft the reccomended choice between them in the wowhead bis list?

#

The higher low end dmg?

clever belfry
#

its just there to not clutter the options

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you can use any str 2h crafted

eager mulch
#

So its all samesame

clever belfry
#

axe is probably cheaper

eager mulch
#

The dps on both is identical its just the sword having lower max and higher base
Axe is higher max and lower base

#

Ty for the answer

potent thicket
#

is it worth crafting feet piece since the other pieces i have are tier pieces and i can't catalyze crafted pieces?

willow cradle
#

Did you craft your embellishments first?

potent thicket
#

ye, got the cloack and vambraces done

covert blaze
azure holly
#

I have 665 trinket, why isn't my 658 one free of crests? do I need both trinkets on 665?

chilly fractal
#

yes

azure holly
#

fuck

clever belfry
sullen dove
#

it would for classic but all abilities just kinda do their own dmg without relying on weapon damage exactly

eager mulch
#

Alr cool

bitter palm
#

is weapon dps

#

in the brackets below damage range

#

and its the same on all crafted

#

same on all weapons of the same ilvl

sullen dove
#

they still havent fixed orange smoldy sword lol

formal stump
#

Is there a difference between having 7% crit vs 15% crit?

sullen dove
#

i mean yea chances are if you have like a single digit % of a stat you prolly wanna focus a little more on that

formal stump
#

Is the difference so minute you cant tell?

#

I'm sitting between 7-9% crit depending on spec.

sullen dove
#

it just tends to be the case that including reck which gives 20% critrate a lot of other talents/tierset gives some of our abilities extra crit so its not very valuable for fury at the moment

formal stump
#

With flask 12%

sullen dove
#

for arms crit's definitely pretty important tho

formal stump
#

Just tryna figure out when does it become worth it to lets say sacrifice 5% mastery for like 5% crit.

#

atm im at 55% mastery

sullen dove
#

yea i mean those kind of number comparisons you can really never figure out by hand you just kinda have to sim with the robot

#

but 55 isnt that high i dont think

#

some ppl might get closer to 60 or possibly above that too

formal stump
#

if I flask it its 61%

#

but my haste is at 21% and crit at 7%

#

Guess I will test it and see what happens

sullen dove
#

yea i mean can see how it feels but specific % comparisons is like the entire bread and butter of the robot

#

the general rule of equip the higher ilvl piece can be done by anyone and usually it pans out that way but more for once youre close to max gear or at least the max gear you can get for the week is when it's more reasonable to play with stat differences like swapping flasks/gems/enchants if you want

#

but shit can get expensive

gaunt anvil
#

Does Best-in-Slots interfere with signet of the priory when casting them both in a macro?

feral ivy
#

pacemaker is so depressing to farm

sullen dove
#

cant put them in a macro

#

you can put bis on like recklessness or something

bright sable
#

guys this week should I spent my gilded crests on 678 crafted belt, or should I craft it as a 658 from the free crest from quest, and spend the gilded crests on upgrading my myth track gloves, ring or neck instead?

sullen dove
#

for it to sorta offcycle from the trinket and be used too

sullen dove
#

best scenario ofc is if u can find a keybind for the weapon itself cuz if put on reck it could prevent you using signet when you want to

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belt good

bright sable
#

and wrist gives few stats

feral ivy
#

doa?

sullen dove
#

but also can sim upgrading any of those pieces vs making belt

bright sable
#

and the crafted belt is close to BIS anyway

sullen dove
#

would say maxxing a ring/neck not as important as strength from the other pieces

feral ivy
#

i never seen anyone pick belt since DF i think

sullen dove
#

i have a belt

#

i mean it really doesnt matter what you pick

#

got a mythic cape week 1 out of vault

#

just the way the cookie crumbles

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belt also has decent stat budget

#

so nice to have early on

bright sable
#

im doing something kinda stupid which is not upgrading any 1/6 hero track items because I can get high watermark as 3/6 from M+ dungeons so I feel like its a waste of gilded

sullen dove
#

what is high watermark

#

but upgrading 1/6 is runed crests not gilded

#

depends how many excess runed you have

bright sable
#

yeah runed I mean sorry

#

high watermark is when you drop a higher ilvl item for a slot

#

that highest ilvl is your high watermark

sullen dove
#

at beginning of season yea should only have upgraded 3/6 but now we're 2 weeks past how many runed you needed for that so you can drop some runed on 1/6 if you want

#

just maybe not every single 1/6 you have

bright sable
#

and anything else you have for that slot can now be upgraded for just valorstones

sullen dove
#

idk how many 658+ pieces n runed you got

bright sable
#

imma see what sims say

#

to see if I have enough runed this week to max them all

sullen dove
#

but its not like a massive loss to upgrade 1/6 with runed anymore so feel free if you have extra

bright sable
#

because yeah you're right I dont really need runed anyway

gaunt anvil
bright sable
#

ok looks like I have 180 runed atm

#

so I can probably max them all with spare

#

so no point in holding anymore

sullen dove
#

can upgrade 4 1/6 hero pieces

#

if u got more than that maybe hold off till you get some higher ilvls

bright sable
#

I have some champ as well which I also didnt wanna waste on

#

let me list it out

sullen dove
bright sable
#

4/8 champ set helmet, 1/6 set chest, 1/6 belt (most likely replaced with crafted), 1/6 pants, 1/6 feet

#

I have been insanely unlucky with drops last week from 10s 😭

#

did like 8 10s and only got 3-4 drops or something

#

and most were shit trinket and dupes

#

hmm actually I dropped a hero track helmet from my HC raid earlier but I dont have any more catalysts lmao ripgg

sullen dove
#

yea i mean if you craft and get like literally 1 3/6 item in those slots can prolly have 658 everything

#

should still give crest discount

#

to upgrade your normal

bright sable
#

question then is if I should use gilded or the free runed crest for my belt

#

🤔

sullen dove
#

idk sim maxing your gloves or making belt

#

not that involved to decide

bright sable
#

yeah too bad simming every option maxes me the fuck out

sullen dove
#

can also try ring/neck tho think those would be lower than each of those

bright sable
#

even tho im paying for tier 2 sub keks

sullen dove
#

would only be like 2 to try gloves vs belt no

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turn off al lthe other stuff

bright sable
#

I just meant simming all my upgrade options rn

#

but yeah true

sullen dove
#

yer

ionic bone
#

lmao

bright sable
#

lol what the fuck

#

so uh

#

I did the sim with my crafted wrists and the belt

#

both having duskthread lining and writhing armor banding

#

for some reason, both of them having duskthread lining sims higher than one of them having writhing armor banding? keks

#

is it thinking you can have two of the same embellishment and ignoring the unique?

#

also it should be the exact same result since the writhing armor banding just doubles it, right... ?

oblique trail
#

It just stacks

#

Also writhin armour banding has nothing to do with dusk/dawnthread, it only affects ascension on your weapon

sour frigate
bright sable
#

wait what

oblique trail
#

You either have ascension on weapon + armour banding, or 2x dawn/duskthread

sour frigate
#

and then lining

#

🤓

bright sable
#

okay so im just extremely stupid then, got it

#

o7

sour frigate
#

it says in desc which is nerubian

feral ivy
#

i received pacemaker heroic track off this loot as well

unique wyvern
#

Guys, how do i set my simc to m+?

#

patchwork, 5 bosses, 3 minutes?

tight roost
#

Thats single target

tender pulsar
#

5 bosses is 5 targets im p sure

fading bane
#

yup

#

5 targets is not single target

fickle cedar
tight roost
#

Oh sorry my bad

unique wyvern
#

thanks for the replies guys ❤️

fickle cedar
unique wyvern
#

Thanks bro

#

This game is unplayable withou u guys

#

❤️

pulsar prawn
unique wyvern
#

Oh, will do Fley, thanks

fair swallow
#

Plus the more raging blows you do the more often you'll crit with bloodthirst

#

As every raging blow gives you bt a 15% crit chance buff stacking up to 75%

warm crag
#

ashen juggernaut 90% crit rate technology

flat river
#

i had ashen juggernaut on 80% uptime, IN MYTHIC+

warm crag
#

self report

gaunt anvil
#

with mechano core and eye of kezan out of the question, what Equip trinkets are the best? Pacemaker and ???

flat river
#

bro i got so many procs

warm crag
#

cards

gaunt anvil
gleaming siren
warm crag
#

lockenstock i guess idk

flat river
gleaming siren
#

self report

flat river
#

what does that mean

#

xd

gleaming siren
#

Galastronk

#

have you ever played Amogus

flat river
#

yes

#

but what does that mean

#

IN THIS manner

gleaming siren
#

it's when you're the imposter and you kill someone then report the body yourself

tender pulsar
#

Yall I have a myth pacemaker in bags, but its not out-simming my 658 mechano and energy drink until I upgrade it all the way to 678, and it's like a 0.1% increase at that point lmao

gleaming siren
#

that's what you just did

gaunt anvil
#

ty

tiny wedge
#

Hi all, the Log reivew channel is blocked. How do I get access to post in there?
nevermind, I scrolled down to "newest" messages. Sorry!

sullen dove
tender pulsar
#

Yeah I did a bunch of sims trying to offload as much crit as possible, and I was still only seeing about 0.1% increase

sullen dove
tender pulsar
#

Here's a sim that's simultaneously messing around with my crafting options

dense elbow
#

The beast

tender pulsar
#

It actually is noticeably better once I craft offhand

tender pulsar
clever belfry
bitter palm
#

99.7% crit on exe

oblique trail
modest condor
#

oh 2set is a bit weak, let's make it increase crit chance by even more

#

now it's 99.8% instead of 99.7%

uneven bridge
#

Do we play around Burst of power procs or na? I don't see it on wowhead priority list

modest condor
#

no

silk wharf
#

I assume if we're playing properly we build enough crit to send the bts anyway before the buff runs out.

obsidian yarrow
#

You’re pressing bt semi regularly enough you’ll just consume the procs either way. I think this only changes if you’re running vicious contempt and are in execute range. Bt hits really hard there.

But this is only cos you want to prioritise bt a bit more instead of the proc, the proc just resets the cool-down

sullen dove
#

whered she get her license

red sequoia
#

am confused on what to take I simed but I think its more worth to take the myth shoulders for the main status

waxen vale
#

dungeon slice :3

obsidian yarrow
#

3 minute dungeon slice

red sequoia
#

help please patchwerk is better O.O my friend recommend these settings

clever belfry
#

woek

#

woke

#

?????

bitter palm
#

woke

#

utter woke nonsense

red sequoia
#

is it better now xd

whole yacht
#

always sim patchwork imo

lucid thorn
#

I just wanna say, goodbye pirate friend, I'll always keep you in my heart and vault

red sequoia
storm birch
#

should capital punisher be in my main hand best in slots in off hand ?

#

i hadn't thought about it

modest condor
#

whatever is the highest ilvl goes in your mainhand

#

otherwise it doesnt matter

storm birch
#

ok i didn't know if the runoff proc would be more active in main hand

#

cause i have both at 665

bitter palm
#

chatting

sullen dove
#

1 leg build

modest condor
#

not sure what that has to do with anything

sullen dove
#

the weapon misses and is less likely to proc

modest condor
#

and how would that affect whether you have it in your mainhand or offhand?

bitter palm
#

offhand can miss

#

more misses = less procs

#

chatting

modest condor
#

so can mainhand?

bitter palm
#

wait really

obsidian yarrow
#

Didn’t even know miss was still a thing

bitter palm
#

i thought only offhand can miss on dual wielding

modest condor
#

no, both can

bitter palm
#

removes missing

modest condor
#

even when we didnt press bloodthirst in df s1 it was still worth talenting into fresh meat just to reach focus in chaos

bitter palm
#

its for spells too right

obsidian yarrow
#

Bring back hs queue for no more miss chance

bitter palm
#

like rb/exe

modest condor
#

spells cant miss

bitter palm
#

i swear they used to miss and on halondrus they didnt

#

i might just be cooked

modest condor
#

no

#

last time abilities could miss was like 15 years ago

bitter palm
#

ah fair

modest condor
#

pretty sure they did away with that in mop or something

sudden tusk
obsidian yarrow
#

Wod I think it was

bright sable
#

join a 10, time it easily. they ask if I can use my 10 key, overtime by 25 seconds

whole yacht
#

rip

bright sable
#

wait are you not supposed to be able to get a gem slot in your belt?

#

I thought that was one of them

oblique trail
#

Helmet, belt and bracers can have sockets in them, either when you loot them or you can add one with 6 tokens from the vault

#

The vault item is also the only way to get sockets on crafted pieces

bright sable
#

yeah but I crafted the belt and it didnt come with a socket slot

#

wtf

#

I swear my bracers had a socket slot on them when I crafted them

#

I'm so confused keks

oblique trail
#

They did not

#

I can confirm that for you

#

But if you had it in Season 1, recrafting it to Season 2 will remove the socket

bright sable
#

I must have grabbed the vault coin thing and put it on without realizing then..?

#

I have S1 bracers with socket

upbeat plume
#

on rick reverb mythic are we beholden to the random barrel spawns to do any significant damage to them

#

I feel like IM switchign and doing nothing still even holding cds

oblique trail
#

Yes

clever belfry
#

@bednezi

oblique trail
#

On Rik you just hope the barrels spawn close to the boss or gg go focus them down

#

@anballsda

bitter palm
#

ballsezi

balmy valve
#

does someone have a tier set tracker weakaura?

clever path
#

is there any weakaura similar to the bloodthirst one for using execute as slayer?

tepid cedar
#

whats up u sxy motherZuggers

whole yacht
#

wanting to backflip off a very high bridge

#

how bout you

#

being declined to a 3 makes me hate everything

mild ravine
#

can anyone tell me if this is how a key's break down should be?

smoky vale
#

just look at a random log

lucid thorn
#

I'm not an expert but I'm pretty sure all this tells you and us is that you pressed buttons and did damage

#

no sarcasm

bitter palm
#

but i dont play fury in m+

frigid saffron
#

when spamming raging blow after a bladestorm to build up for brutal finish, if enrage is falling off do i send the rampage early or do i let it fall off to get a bigger rampage?

sullen dove
#

i think falling off is right

#

cringe innit

median kestrel
#

guys we killed stix but i got ball 2 times should i be happy or sad

obsidian yarrow
frigid saffron
#

W answer thanks

left perch
obsidian yarrow
# frigid saffron W answer thanks

Though in saying that unless I get super lucky on resets I never run out of time on enrage before I run out of raging blow. I get 3 sometimes 4 before I run out of enrage or charges

frigid saffron
#

Are you doing rampage -> roar -> bladestorm or just rampage -> bladestorm

#

When I do opener I got like 1 global of enrage left sometimes

fair swallow
#

Hit a peak of 8.5 mil in cinderbrew gladge

obsidian yarrow
#

I do rampage blade storm dump raging rampage roar

winter shoal
sullen dove
#

not what xan said a month ago

#

but good either way

#

raging blow spam boring and mid

winter shoal
#
actions.slayer+=/rampage,if=!buff.enrage.up|buff.slaughtering_strikes.stack>=4
actions.slayer+=/crushing_blow,if=action.raging_blow.charges=2|buff.brutal_finish.up&(!debuff.champions_might.up|debuff.champions_might.up&debuff.champions_might.remains>gcd)
actions.slayer+=/thunderous_roar,if=buff.enrage.up&!buff.brutal_finish.up
actions.slayer+=/execute,if=debuff.marked_for_execution.stack=3
actions.slayer+=/bloodbath,if=buff.bloodcraze.stack>=1|(talent.uproar&dot.bloodbath_dot.remains<40&talent.bloodborne)|buff.enrage.up&buff.enrage.remains<gcd
actions.slayer+=/raging_blow,if=buff.brutal_finish.up&buff.slaughtering_strikes.stack<5&(!debuff.champions_might.up|debuff.champions_might.up&debuff.champions_might.remains>gcd)
#

Personally I only do RB for BF outside of reck

sullen dove
#

there sure is some words there

winter shoal
#

cba during reck

#

Feels like a waste

sour tundra
oblique trail
#

The conditional was fairly minimal in general

obsidian yarrow
#

You just don’t press stuff if you’re out of enrage unless you can’t press rampage. Afaik it’s okay to let it drop off if the global you press is enraged and the next global will be rampage

oblique trail
#

Correct because Rampage will enrage before its own damage

silk wharf
obsidian yarrow
#

So mash raging blow til you run out of enrage then press rampage

silk wharf
#

Send help

oblique trail
#

Correct

#

it's the same now as when I checked before S2

winter shoal
#

Wasn't sure of the exact number

oblique trail
#

Because I knew the conditional looked stupid

winter shoal
#

I mean it's probably the same simc profile innit keks

oblique trail
#

I still do it on Sprocketmonger

#

Because the CDR doesn't really matter on that fight

#

But any other boss you will not catch me doing it

winter shoal
#

Idk just feels bad overcapping so hard during reck

#

Hence why I don't do it during reck

silk wharf
#

It let me go

oblique trail
#

We spent all of S1 being overcapped

winter shoal
#

But it seems like if I don't do it during reck I might as well not do it

winter shoal
silk wharf
#

We had someone get dc and they became invulnerable

#

So we had to sit here until it fixed.

winter shoal
#

Banezi the simc profile is still using amplifier chatting

oblique trail
#

Alright

#

Idk what this means, I don't keep up with that

winter shoal
oblique trail
#

Pretty sure Archi is the one who deals with that

winter shoal
#

But idk who actually ever looks at that

#

Also like who fuckin cares

#

I'm just xddchatting

oblique trail
#

A lot of people very likely but for reasons that don't matter

winter shoal
#

I think Archi said the amplifier fix is only like 0.2% anyways

#

which isn't nothing but when devoker is 2.934 and sin rogue is 2.464, there are bigger concerns

oblique trail
#

Maybe

#

Warrior numerically is in such a good spot I really am not remotely busy being aware of what other classes sim

#

As long as it's not unplayably bad, then that's fine with me

winter shoal
#

Lowkey I think other classes TCs just run it down

#

Like warrior is for sure strong rn, but some classes are down horrendous in sims and then just fine in raid

clever path
#

so after bladestorm are we meant to press raging blow 5 times to stack up slaughtering strikes?

winter shoal
#

Okay genuine question

clever path
#

or rather as many rbs as possible before charges run out

winter shoal
#

Did you read the previous ~20 messages?

#

we literally just talked about this

#

I even ran the sims on how worth it it was to do

#

The answer is you press RB as long as you're enraged and have charges, up to 5xSS if you ever make it there (which you probably wont) but it's extremely minor and you probably won't notice a difference if you don't do it

obsidian yarrow
#

Yea it’s minmax entirelyF you can just ignore slaughtering strikes and just take it as some passive damage amp now and then

silk wharf
#

I'm so often dodging <insert mechanic here> thats just what it is lol

soft merlin
#

Anyone got a good 4 set weakaura ?

winter shoal
dense fulcrum
#

what trinkets u guys using in M+?

#

i dont know what to use everything seems to sim below mechano+kezan which is weird to me

#

for AOE

young swan
#

but also it literally doesnt matter

#

0.1% diff

winter shoal
tidal kindle
#

Honestly the simstack balance is pretty good rn

modest condor
#

that rng on frost dk tho

sullen dove
#

can you check damage on an enemy while it has a certain buff on it

#

or u have to make some cringe query/expression thing for it

edgy widget
#

Depends on the buff, if it's just one time you can simply highlight that section of the fight to filter duration

#

if it's an aura that's up several times though, you'll need some kind of query to filter it

#

if it's one of your de/buffs though, like Enrage, there should already be some auto-detected aura filters just under the timeline graph

sullen dove
#

thinkin bombshells have their territorial buffs when they're stuck on trash so damage on those while they have the buff

#

to see whos trying to break them off

edgy widget
#

yeah those you have to use a query, there's no auto parse for it

sullen dove
#

cuz me and like 3 other melee are just playing connect the dots with all of them

#

ruff

oblique trail
violet fiber
#

Do you guys feel fury warrior AoE feels undertuned? I simmed my fury warr and had like 4.5m on 5 dummies (5 minutes) while my pally/shaman are simming like 5.5m~6m

low folio
#

I mean definitely fury isn’t kinda meh in aoe when compared to the strong aoe specs. If the dungeon pulls were artificially forced to lower target counts, fury would be pretty good probably

#

So like ToP fury can compete on a closer level to some of the big aoe specs

low folio
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There are values to bring other than overall dps, like priority damage if the key has a lot of packs with a single or two larger health enemies

gaunt egret
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Jesus its impossible to get into keys...

sullen dove
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aint no way i get bis on my evoker from weekly dungeon quest hours after i craft gilded weap

teal pine
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So I've got a quick question. Is the best in slots weapon. Good for fury or did I get junk in my weekly box?

sullen dove
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its uh... best in slot as you could say

teal pine
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So. I can still hunt gnomes without an issue 🤔

jade cipher
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guys i played odyns fury yesterday by removing points in deft exprience and 1 point from vicious contempt

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in cinderbrew meadery

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and lets just say it was the most horrible experience

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did 4% of my damage

covert coyote
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F to the days when OF was worth spending points on

low folio
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Ya sucks that it’s back to being a useless talent again

dense fulcrum
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worked 🙂 thx

next ruin
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Has anyone been seriously playing with the newest version of RA? Trying out some sims and it gets really really close for me

halcyon python
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Boy it suck to be target capped

sullen cloak
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That would be nice ! HATE anger management

next ruin
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I will try RA thane in m+

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And pretty sure RA slayer is better on vexxie (it's vexxie tho who cares)

edgy oasis
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Is it me or are there SOOO many builds. I havent a clue which to take. Each boss on wowhead has two options. Not saying i havent worked it out but .....jez....not a ST MT and M+ build. There are loads of variations and i am abit lost.

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I used thane on Sticks last night and it pumped.

tight roost
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Isnt it more or less just 2 versions of slayer for raid?

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Pure st for lockenstock and a bit of aoe mixed in for rest

edgy oasis
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Looking at the top 50 logs. There is difference. Mostly for VC and DE...

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Also, thane with Spear...

granite crown
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It's like, right there?

edgy oasis
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My mistake.

next ruin
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And no one uses spear on thane

low folio
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I am curious about why spear isn’t used for this season, per cast it does more damage itself and adds the crit damage. I know the crit damage buff isn’t like it used to be but I guess maybe I don’t know the math of how little or big the crit damage buff affect your dps

next ruin
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It's not even a percent better than roar while being 10 times more annoying to use

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In a way that for most people I think we would lose damage playing spear

low folio
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I remember only being annoying because of standing in the circle in the past. I guess if the math works out to being basically equal in theory than I get it

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Roar is a nice press and forget

gleaming siren
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The AoE of spear is kinda small, Roar is pretty big

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Hitting a whole pack with Spear is often a bit of a hassle while it's really easy to do with Roar

smoky vale
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hi schmidu

gleaming siren
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Hi Gio

low folio
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I don’t even know why I cared about it. I always disliked when spear was the go to choice in the past

smoky vale
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its playable now

gleaming siren
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It's joever

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I am raiding on my alt character on sunday

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Being more useful than Spongie's main

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Thoughts

smoky vale
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had to buy a tier piece from some bozo who had it already for 30k though

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spngus nobus

gleaming siren
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(I play Warlock on OAB)

smoky vale
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@warm crag

gleaming siren
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Don't ping the beast

smoky vale
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do uou play aff on tgRt fight

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ti blow up adds

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or do you turret on demo

gleaming siren
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Demo is unplayable