fury

[gusty compass]

What a shame that Heroic Best in Slot does not simmer higher than a OF Mythic track weapon..

[opal monolith]

whats your ivl ? post logs?

[radiant plank]

I dont log mickey mouse content and my ilvl was like 660

[tidal kindle]

Ideally you should be the one posting this since it gives more context to your question which you brought up

[opal monolith]

sounds like bs to me

[tidal kindle]

[radiant plank]

Sounds like skill issue to me

[tidal kindle]

Honestly bring back 4min meta and 2min chaos blades

I'll swap DH so fast

And legion momentum

[chrome plover]

so real

[bitter palm]

bla bla bla

[chrome plover]

never seen a better opinion

me too

[tidal kindle]

Prepull mastery set for chaos blades....

[chrome plover]

[tidal kindle]

https://www.twitch.tv/qt_garm/clip/InspiringSullenPepperoniWow?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time

[forest owl]

any idea where to get spark this week, done worldsoul and got nothing

[tidal kindle]

Did you do the delve quest last week

[hardy bluff]

its from the worldsoul weekly

[forest owl]

i did everything last week

still have spark from last week

[tidal kindle]

[eternal compass]

Do everything with chests, theater, awaken the machine etx

[hardy bluff]

either you didnt do the 3x delve weekly last week or its bugged

if you didnt do it just run a key

or a few

should drop

[tidal kindle]

Mine was bugged, had to ticket

[forest owl]

thats what im thinking, i did absolutely everything last week, did worldsoul now and nothing will try awakening the machine

[opal monolith]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/43?boss=62293&bracket=10&class=Warrior&spec=Fury&leaderboards=1&metric=dps @radiant plank ?

[thin dew]

Is signet of the priory myth trac worth? (had only 1 slot this week) got hero track suspicious drink

[still ibex]

For fury, no

[tidal kindle]

Drink is solid

If it's the delve trinket

[still ibex]

Depends what is your second trinket, but I would consider socket if you can get 6x, but if it's your only slot in vault then take signet anyway

[chrome plover]

🥹

my first CE was guldan on havoc

[chrome plover]

what

u know that most people refer to details overall when talking about keys

[opal monolith]

i wasnt

[chrome plover]

which is very different to logged dps

[forest owl]

yup did awakening machine got no spark nice -.-

[chrome plover]

not many people log keys

especially not low keys

[chrome plover]

there's a specific weekly quest that gives it each week

not just any pinnacle cache I think

[lapis eagle]

so i have belt and bracers 675

do i craft necklace with this weeks spark ?

[chrome plover]

if youve got a shitty necklace and nothing better to use gilded on

then it isnt a bad shout

[lapis eagle]

hero track brew neck yeah

[chrome plover]

yeah i dont think i'll use my spark this week, over sending my gilded crests on other items

but im gonna sim whether crafting a diff 675 is better than upgrading 658 wrists to 675

it probably will be for neck or a ring

[still ibex]

Any of this rings is close to bis setup? Or atleast for arms/prot?

[chrome plover]

what stats is that raid one?

the theatre one is crit mastery right?

heavy crit

[still ibex]

Crit/haste and Crit/mastery

[chrome plover]

both very good arms rings then

not so great for fury

sim them

[keen dove]

i literally have 2 mister lock-n-stalk buffs on me

holy

[still ibex]

Simming 13k lower than Circlet (I have champion Jastor Diamond also), but I wonder if it's worth in the long run :/

[narrow epoch]

in a casual guild atm so not killed hc gallywix, should i upgrade my mechano core to hc version from vault, or take the hc lock n stalk, currently my other trinket is hc ratfang toxin

dunno if mechano core makes more sense long term or if i should take the boost from locknstalk

[still ibex]

Run delve first and try to get Mechano hc with map

[narrow epoch]

good point

[hardy bluff]

also check #updates-midnight

[still ibex]

But the Archi's post there is about myth track trinkets, right? Vs heroic mechano

[hardy bluff]

i mean yea but still good to keep in mind that it might no be turbo bis

[chrome plover]

hero mechano core still sims better than hero lock n stalk for me

but only by a tiny amount

the post is mainly saying that there are now better myth options

[still ibex]

Yea, but the simple answer is if you are not a high end mythic raider then mechano is your BiS (even with dinars you want to pick weapon and ring)

[chrome plover]

yep

[wraith walrus]

Is circlet really BiS for ring compared to other higher level ilvl items?

[undone flower]

Oh my bad wrong channel

[sour temple]

That’s from the prot guide

[undone flower]

Yeah sry 👍 -13% loser here

[hardy vault]

Should i trust raidbot or blood for trinket ? Funhouse lens and Suspicious drink sims better thans House of cards on Raidbots so...

[trim kite]

kind of want to take chest but it is mythic pacemaker...

chest is 30 less crests to upgrade which leaves enough to craft mythic legs/feet

[fading sky]

Take pace 100%

U can always get mythic chest

[chrome plover]

good for arms and prot too

[lofty herald]

is mr lock-n-stalk acctualy good ?

[trim kite]

Only if I get it from vault cause I am not getting tier chest from reclearing lockenstock

We have double ww double dev so I'm cooked there

[fading sky]

Well theres more chest pieces than pacemakers

[trim kite]

That's also true

Also hi chawie

[fair swallow]

So do we know when they'll be removing the crest limit?

[primal python]

yeah among the best trinkets now

[trim kite]

I guess I could just wait for reclear/splits

[fair swallow]

to add on is mister lock-n-stalk good for aoe/dungeons?

ik it's good for st but it doesn't or really say anything about it mass destruction side

[opal monolith]

is it a substantial dps gain to mouseover macro lower health targets with bloodthirst for VC?

[chrome plover]

👋

[primal python]

665 pacemaker 658 mechano-core amplifier vs 678 pacemaker / 678 mister lock n stalk patchwerk 5 target 5min

not looking too hot for AoE

[hardy shuttle]

I've just been leaving mine on precision even in m+ for the prio damage. But if you do mass destruction it ends up being 3-4% of my overall.

[fair swallow]

ok, thank you both

[fading sky]

And st ends up at

[chilly fractal]

Ight… got a Hero track Gally weapon from raid last night… a solid bronze medal of a weapon… but if I don’t get a myth track weapon in my vault next week I may write Blizzard a series of letters under the name Stan

[fading sky]

Which is why i crafted

[chilly fractal]

I crafted too

[fading sky]

Then u gucci?

[chilly fractal]

Still a Myth track weapon is over 30k single target over Gally

[fading sky]

Gally oh is better?

Get bis then?

[chilly fractal]

Yea we didn’t see one this week

[fading sky]

I got normal bis atm as oh

[thick fossil]

Bandit dropped total garbage for us this week.

[fading sky]

Beats my hc choice

If it drops i wont c it

Or well mby.. many casters have crafted

[chilly fractal]

We saw 2 back to back heroic Best in slots

No heroic Jastor yet

[fading sky]

I got normal jastor

[lapis eagle]

jastor hc > cyrces circlet ?

[chilly fractal]

I think I get the next one that drops

[fading sky]

I think do

[lapis eagle]

stats are same massive mastery

[chilly fractal]

Yes but it’s more like HC Jastor > Every other ring

[lapis eagle]

but a bit higher ilvl and the passive

[hardy shuttle]

Idk, like 2% or something. But it's all 2% on important mobs not 4% wasted on non elites and shit

[fading sky]

Well cant u change it in dungeon?

So just change ladt pack b4 boss?

[hardy shuttle]

Yeah I'm just saying the value of st into prio mobs is better than just padding on stuff 9/10 times.

Like in floodgate any pack with a shredder, architect, blood guy, or demolitionist i had it in ST, but swapped to aoe for the kelps.

So like 1 pull of aoe in the whole key

[thick fossil]

I'd have to see Jastor's in my vault. Too many ppl have it as BiS ring, so rolling against 19 ppl sucks.

[fading sky]

Ye jaster hc when

[chilly fractal]

Gaslight everyone you play with into crafting a ring

So you can swoop in with the bigger upgrade

[fading sky]

Free socket!

[chrome plover]

yep

im 6th highest upgrade with it on sims

so see u never

[chilly fractal]

I think I’m the highest… idk why but I don’t question the robot gods when it says something is better for me instead of others

[ionic ermine]

Any reason to play champions spear over dragons roar?

[chrome plover]

nope

[chilly fractal]

Year of the spear has long passed

[ionic ermine]

ty Just making sure. It looks so cool so I’m always tempted to take it 😥

[ionic ermine]

🫡

[thick fossil]

Yeah, Shadowlands was long ago.

[silent vault]

Are sims on bloodmallet using mister lock n stalk in aoe mode for 3/5 targets or only the ST mode?

[forest owl]

nice to see the spark system is a mess this tier

[iron portal]

not long enough

[runic cypress]

[lapis eagle]

neck gucci

[chilly fractal]

Personally I’m feeling that neck

[lean heart]

fat neck

[gaunt anvil]

yo guys, quick question, is this belt worth it since having the luck to pull the rookery one on myth seems hard enough?

[chilly fractal]

Has Mastery means it’s a W

[gaunt anvil]

I saw Noxiv rock it, so i thought it might not be bad

[iron portal]

I wouldnt base my gearing decision on that

[gaunt anvil]

that's why im here asking xD

[chilly fractal]

Well context means a lot but you’ll get more mileage than I think your expecting if you want the Rookery belt

[iron portal]

It really depends what are other options too

[gaunt anvil]

all my vault

[chilly fractal]

Let’s see Paul Allen’s vault

[iron portal]

difference between 665 and 678 belt isnt really that big as it would potentially be with other oitems so i wouldnt sweat it. Its not bad belt though

And you can always sim it

[gaunt anvil]

i think its a bit bigger

KEKW

[iron portal]

You can still run m+ meanwhile

[gaunt anvil]

okay will sim it with the myth hands and check it, ty both of you @iron portal @chilly fractal

[chilly fractal]

Add sockets

It’s a neck sockets are all but free

[thick fossil]

That's mythic tier which will last you all season. That's also an eye of Kazen though that looks like a normal version.

[chilly fractal]

Do you mythic raid or plan to this season?

[runic cypress]

I do want to but its not looking to good

[chilly fractal]

Go with the neck

There are 2 necks in all M+ and the other one sucks ass

You’ll see tier gloves again or a pair you can catalyze

But that’s just my opinion

[runic cypress]

oh i got gloves

i was wondering if i should pick up the trinket

because its apparently better now

[chilly fractal]

Oh well, good luck on seeing the neck again

I’ve seen back to back weeks of the Big Red Button already so there is hope

[iron portal]

you are close

but not close enough!

yes i had to find excuse to post it

[runic cypress]

Yeah i guess youre right

Imma just pick that nad be happy

[chrome plover]

yo

[iron portal]

ok it is on

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-fennec-fox-brain-less-gif-1694837592568235329

[chrome plover]

[radiant plank]

Simming same as my arms gz

[dense elbow]

One day I will sim 2m

[chrome plover]

[thick fossil]

Pretty sure my last ST sim was around 2.5 as well. 10k is not even s noticed change anymore.

[whole yacht]

You don't sim 2m?

[chrome plover]

yep anyone at 662-664 will sim similarly

[thick fossil]

Even my Arms ST is 2.4

[dense elbow]

Sat at 1.8m last time, with this weeks upgrade I am maybe at 1.9m

Not a lot of upgrades, when all is from vault

[chrome plover]

yeah my arms sim is like 50k under

[urban condor]

Did the Mechano-Core Amplifier get nerfed this patch?

[iron portal]

#updates-midnight message

[torpid elbow]

i would get the neck piece

ive been trying cinderbew over 30 runs and still havent gotten the neck

[red heart]

https://prnt.sc/-9q7MbKy2JuL

wtf no circe ?

and still peacemaker 665 less than amplifer 658?

[clever belfry]

just happens sometimes.

[fair swallow]

Mechano is just that valuable

Even after the nerf it's still a strong contender

[red heart]

i take on purpose pacemaker on vault mitic

😦

[toxic birch]

boys girls everyone else if I wanna turn off or change the kaching sound from the bt crit tracker how would I go around doing that? I see it's showing up twince in conditionals and one of them is an if, will turning that into a "no sound" fuck up the wa?

[urban condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tYthHnuztobJRddrgz1CHj
Is the mechano still suppose to be my highest in this sim? Over the suspicious drink and Seaforium

[dense elbow]

Well, you will get no kaching

If you remove the play sound action, nothing breaks, as the sound playing isn't a trigger itself

[torpid elbow]

i like the kaching

[dense elbow]

Meoooow

[torpid elbow]

it lets me know when to rampage then i get my enrage

[tardy lark]

kaching every time you are above 80 rage?

[toxic birch]

yeah a bit too much kaching especially when it's also the execute sound

[dense elbow]

Kaching kaching kaching ... KaKaKaKaKaKaKaKa

[chrome plover]

Yeah

[toxic birch]

can someone smart tell me how to just mutilate this whole WA and turn it into just the % number that turns green at the right time 💀 no icon no nothing

[torpid elbow]

your suppose to rage around 75%-85% and if higher when your trying to prioritize.

[quiet geyser]

You can just change to a different sound

[torpid elbow]

how

[quiet geyser]

Just click the drop down where kaching is and pick something else

[tardy lark]

are you talking about rampage or bloodthirst

[torpid elbow]

i mean BT

and rampage at 100 my bad

my bad

[dense elbow]

Kaching every 100 rage sounds like it will happen a lot lot

[torpid elbow]

no i meant BT

[dense elbow]

You wrote 'and rampage at 100'

Either way, a sound qué should be for one thing. Or you won't really know what is ready, but instead know to look

[torpid elbow]

funky is circet worth using anymore?

[dense elbow]

Sure is as long the bot tells you it is. We are mastery lovers, so it should last us quite a bit

[toxic birch]

nvm I frankensteined it

[fading sky]

100 rage = alarm sound 85 % bt = kachinh

[quiet breach]

I made my bt sound a 💧 sound

like a droplet

I have my rage bar turn green above 100 rage

its like not pure green either its like green + a few other colors on the spectrum towards the right side

[fading sky]

Why though

[quiet breach]

so it stands out

[fading sky]

Seems like a disci

Im to old

[quiet breach]

cuz it helps me

[fading sky]

Kaching is enough

Tbh isnt it disturbing with morr shit flashin takin eye focus

[whole yacht]

What ilvl

[quiet breach]

no

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-dj-dj-pepe-pepe-disco-disco-pepe-gif-8660142552500654368

[quiet breach]

not for me

[fading sky]

Thats how it feels to me

[quiet breach]

I have kaching for execute sound

[fading sky]

I use a secondary sound queue

For that

[thick fossil]

Ka-ching for execute, gun shot for BT.

[toxic birch]

I swear back in df ssn2 there was a bt crit WA that just changed the colour of the % instead

[thick fossil]

It showed crit % chance

[fading sky]

100 % sound queues are bis

[thick fossil]

Sound or symbol. I use to use em all the time back in Cataclysm. Back when you had to make your own with "Power Aura."

[fair swallow]

So is fury able to play on par to arms in dungeons?

[coarse nest]

Yes absolutely

Fury smokes bosses and prio targets

Arms will do giant pad on 20 mob pulls

Pick your poison both good at their own thing

[vagrant imp]

Play whats most fun "Fury"

[coarse nest]

If your worried about pug brain then arms is probably more likely to get invited because people think overall is all that matters in pug keys

[fair swallow]

And what about pushing high keys?

[coarse nest]

Also this is just a guess

[fair swallow]

I at least want to time +13

[coarse nest]

Novix is playing fury in 17s

You’ll be fine

[dense elbow]

Important to note is that Novix and his team is playing around the classes/specs. PuGs will not.

That said, I do 13s as Slayer Fury, you will be fine

[coarse nest]

What do you think good comp for warrior would be

Druid/monk/hunter/war/ ?

[dense elbow]

Warrior or Fury warrior?

[coarse nest]

Maybe shaman or rouge ?

Shaman if arms probably

Rogue if fury

[dense elbow]

As Fury Warrior needs someone to cower the AoE, so anything from Ret to BM

Then something that kinda does half'n'half, rogue/monk

[coarse nest]

I’m thinking like peak physical blaster comp

[fair thistle]

rogue monk

[dense elbow]

Prob something like Monk, Warrior, Rogue, Hunter, druid

[coarse nest]

Ye that’s what I was thinking too

[fair thistle]

check noxiv's team

[coarse nest]

Doesn’t really matter witch specs the Druid/monk play they’re just for the buffs to the physical

[dense elbow]

^

[fair thistle]

pretty good teamto play with as fury

[dense elbow]

They do spend quite a bit of planning and effort to fit their damage profiles tho, leaning heavily into sustained DPS that is quite tanky

[fair thistle]

they are compelled to

i mean if u don't do that fury is irrelevant

[dense elbow]

If they want to play together, sure. Then the question is, would they do better if they just dropped ppl for better class picks >:)

[fair thistle]

it all comes to not dying and having perfect routes as he said

to time keys

[coarse nest]

It’s cool that they play around physical damage comp I wish physical comp could be more competitive

The wizards always end up on top

[dense elbow]

For PuGs, the most important thing is ease of play

[fading sky]

Pug wizards are notorously shit

[coarse nest]

Very true

[dense elbow]

So are the DHs, so they come as a perfect shitty package

They will do more AoE than us tho

so when you wipe and disband after the 1st pull

we bottom tier dps

[fading sky]

Ngl

Meadery pulls makes u sad to start

[coarse nest]

DH / mage / priest / lock / shaman/ Druid

Some combo of this is always good

[thick fossil]

Physical comp:
Prot Paladin or Druid, Resto Druid, Monk or shaman healer, dps - rogue, arms, hunter or shaman.

[fair thistle]

workshop too

[coarse nest]

Like let’s nuke that please

[lapis eagle]

M A G U S

[coarse nest]

Buff physical gang

[thick fossil]

Yeah that's gonna be the mega meta this season.

[fading sky]

Make aug work only in melee!!

[dense elbow]

Just buff OF to a reasonable level, and we will also have fun 1st pull in meadery with PuGs

[fading sky]

And then buff aug

[thick fossil]

Aug can stay dead

[fading sky]

Would need to change its softcap back to 8

[coarse nest]

Would be wicked if Aug only buffed physical lmao

No way they do that

[fading sky]

Ofc not

But let me smile

[quiet breach]

this is driving me insane, I search "craft legs" in this discord and it seems like people are being talked out of it every time its posted on this discord, but its such a massive difference when I run the droptimizer sim. can someone please help me understand why everyone is so adamant on bracers/cloak? I thought I understood it before but I really don't.

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/area-52/iskus/

this is driving me insane, everything in my mind is telling me to craft legs but it seems nobody else is... can someone please look at my equipped gear and give me their opinion?

I have thought about this for like 5 hours straight at this point its DRIVING ME INSANE BRUH AHHHHH

I already have 4 PC tier, 3 / 4 of the pieces are hero track, shoulders are normal. my current pants are normal track

I have 1 catalyst, thought I was getting another this week but I havent

[coarse nest]

If you want to craft legs to get power now go right ahead it’s not a horrible choice

You just are adding time to how long it will take you to get the absolute highest possible ilvl basically

[quiet breach]

do I have just as high of a chance of getting mythic track bracers/back as I do legs?

[coarse nest]

And you may never get mythic pants in vault who knows it’s rng

So it might be the best choice for you for months

The point of crafting wrists/cloak is they offer the least amount of* stats at max ilvl

So its better to drop 3 ilvl on those vs other slots

My sims tell me my biggest upgrade is crafted belt at 25k so I might do it just to get some power now since I’m doing mythic prog and every little bit from all 20 members helps right

But I have to accept that I might get a myth belt in vault that could be better

And then I wasted 60 crests long term

[quiet breach]

but couldn't u get a mythic bracers in vault

as well

or back

[coarse nest]

But short term I’m more powerful

Again.

[quiet breach]

which are the two "correct," choices

[coarse nest]

You don’t mind losing 3 ilvl in those slots

That’s the preferred slots to lose ilvl for embellish crafts

[graceful dock]

Ig im taking legs 🤔 thunder-clad is apparently BIS however galvanized oxxein legguards are haste/mastery so it feels weird not taking those

[coarse nest]

Sim whats the highest upgrade for your character and pick that

9/10 times you won’t have all 17 best in slot items so don’t worry about it

Or on the other hand if you don’t care about that then pick the ones on the bis list

[graceful dock]

Galvanized was 0.1% higher on 1 target sim and 0.2% on 5 target sim I think, however on dungeon slice sim the thunderclad legguards simmed higher

i mostly do mythic+, since theyre so close maybe i should just take the bis thunder-clad ones?

[coarse nest]

I personally would only sim vault options at 1T 5minute Patchwerk
But I am optimizing for mythic raid progression

[chrome plover]

bracers and cloak are lowest stat budget so having those at 675 instead of 678 loses you the least stats

very endgame thinking

crafting a higher budget piece at 675 now is honestly fine, but you'll be sad if you get that slot in vault along with a bunch of shit items you dont want

[graceful dock]

i see, thank u

[remote bobcat]

^

tbf though, we'll have plenty of sparks to craft next piece

it doesnt reallllyyyy hold back our prog

for anyone, really

unless ur way high up

[chrome plover]

realistically spending gilded crests on non-embel crafts is not very efficient most of the time so yeah you'll have plenty of sparks and nothing to do with them

[coarse nest]

Yeah I agree that’s why I’m probably going to move thread embellish to belt and then recraft 658 cloak to more optimal stats with the belt

Highest possible damage increase for this week specifically

[remote bobcat]

that is true

[coarse nest]

We won’t be max ilvl for a little while so why not get power

Playing long game is also just as good

Really can’t go wrong just depends on ones own goals

[remote bobcat]

I mean

if you cant meet dmg checks

in prog

fuckin send the craft

shrug

[coarse nest]

Even if damage check isn’t a problem if all 20 members hyper optimize for the current week chances of success are higher

In general I think it’s always worth

I think if I was a heroic only and M+ kind of player I would gear more for the long game

But that’s just me

[remote bobcat]

ya

fo sure

agree

[quiet breach]

what if ur a guildless player looking to get into a mythic guild

send the craft for max parseability?

to look more attractive to guilds?

[remote bobcat]

gear doesnt matter

that much

gear wont make your 98 100

gear, at most, makes a 60 a 65

but the higher u go, the less relevant small upgrades are

its mostly optimizing it

[coarse nest]

If I was in a position of needing a guild I would gear specifically for ST raid output and I would que into heroic pugs and farm as high of logs as I could

[remote bobcat]

and then rolling good fight rng

[coarse nest]

And then start applying

[remote bobcat]

brewjj

better idea

do that until 95+ logs (rly easy to get)

then start boosting

boost until 98+ logs

pref 99s

then apply

[coarse nest]

Haha true boost runs are the best for high log fishing

You have 10 dead weights that increase the health pool of pad adds and shit

[quiet breach]

wym, like becoming a booster?

[coarse nest]

Makes execute last longer etc

[quiet breach]

or buying boosts

[coarse nest]

He’s saying become a booster

[remote bobcat]

becoming a booster

[coarse nest]

Not a buyer

[remote bobcat]

you make 1mil per week

by playing raids

with perfect log farming raids

like good setups

[quiet breach]

would u prioritize early power rather than long game tho

that's the question I'm asking

[remote bobcat]

u just have to be good

[coarse nest]

Yes

[remote bobcat]

yes

[coarse nest]

You need to sell yourself to the right guild so you want as much power now as possible to fish for good logs now

[quiet breach]

ok I think I will probably send the legs then

[remote bobcat]

wait

dont send set-piece slot

cause guilds look at that and then think

that ur dumb

[coarse nest]

It’s not a horrible choice just understand the trade off

[quiet breach]

I have 4 pc

[remote bobcat]

yea

I know

go for neck, ring, weapon, belt, boots, wrist, cloak

like whatever

but set piece slots

is dangerous

[quiet breach]

why do guilds not like ppl crafting set piece slots

[remote bobcat]

cause theres so many ways of obtaining them in mythic

[wheat heron]

Anyone able to help me with what to grab from vault? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/78QaYHKWccJVBwy3q9xvSM

Going for either eye of kezan or pacemaker

already have pacemaker hero track

[remote bobcat]

every single mythic item in any of those slots can be a set piece + there is extra set piece tokens from mythic raid

[coarse nest]

I tend to agree though I would not** craft a helm/chest/leg no matter what because those are the highest stat budget items and you want those at max ilvl asap

[quiet breach]

so it IS easier to get 678 set piece than it is to get 678 offset?

[remote bobcat]

why would you 5tar sim eye of kezan

thats so troll

eye of kezan is dogshit in m+

[wheat heron]

i did 1tar sim also

not according to bloodmallet

[remote bobcat]

brother

tell me

[wheat heron]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/warrior/fury/trinkets/castingpatchwerk5

[valid pike]

It's assuming perfect uptime

[coarse nest]

The only reason you see the race to world first players with crafted helm/chest/legs is because they need the power now to kill the final boss on mythic in the first two weeks

[remote bobcat]

how often do you fight 5targets for 5 mins

[torpid elbow]

fury pumpin in classic lol

[remote bobcat]

you never fight for 5 mins straight

[coarse nest]

99.9% of the rest of us should not do that

[remote bobcat]

without losing stacks

[remote bobcat]

yes

especially when u consider that offset needs good stats for u - set piece always has same stats

[wheat heron]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/221BhFxugm4SgaX2wDeKin

[remote bobcat]

its so easy to get

[remote bobcat]

this is also a 5 target sim for 5 minutes

in m+ you never fight aoe stuff for 5 minutes straight

[wheat heron]

What would the most reasonable be to pick from the vault?

considering im doing a lot of both m+ and raid

[remote bobcat]

look @wheat heron eye of kezan is really fuckin good in raids - but only in raids. Anytime there are uptime drops, eye of kezan value drops

[wheat heron]

what would be the better choice alongside pacemaker in m+ then?

[remote bobcat]

I'd personally go for the pacemaker myth track - it's really fucking good in m+ and in raid its good if you drop most crit from your gear pieces

[torpid elbow]

mechano or klens

[quiet breach]

can u get 678 legs from mythic cauldron/vexie? @remote bobcat

[wheat heron]

thank you brother

[remote bobcat]

cauldron is hands so no

its just that any mythic legs you ever drop can be catalysted into set piece

but yea set piece token legs is from stix bunkjunker

[west dagger]

how good, good is Mechano trinket? i can choose that, and some myth track gear, the sims says gloves - but meh.. ?

[winter shoal]

You can sim those options fully upgraded

Amplifier is still very good but probably not bis

[quiet breach]

what are these other options here besides blacksmithing I've never heard of them

they worth doing?

[remote bobcat]

always sim fully upgraded and then decide what works best for you. Mechano is really good in both m+ and raids so that's a benefit at least

[remote bobcat]

what

wdym

[quiet breach]

the jewel crafting, engineering, tailoring, and alchemy ones

does it cost sparks to do those

[remote bobcat]

yes

every crafted item is sparks

2handers cost 2 sparks - everything else is 1 spark i believe

[west dagger]

can i sim withouth having the gilded?

[remote bobcat]

yea of course ?

wdym

you can sim any item

[winter shoal]

In top gear sim near the top you can add crests

[merry pewter]

Anyone using the lock trinket with the laser? Lol

[dense elbow]

So close, yet so far, if I drop OF tho

[winter shoal]

I am not but it's pretty deece

[dense elbow]

I shouldn't sim my character, just makes me sad every time

[west dagger]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fr3KnD5j7SpXPYsY7T4KDv @winter shoal according to sims it says shoulders, but it seems like the difference between the gears is so little?

[winter shoal]

On my phone can't look

Good luck bud you got this

[quiet breach]

sanctified steps is simming higher than ever forged boots for me

didn't even know that existed

the equip looks super nice

[winter shoal]

What's your gear like king? 2.0 in raid spec is villainous

[remote bobcat]

how come you sim ST as thane ?

for stix?

[dense elbow]

660, with got 645 tier - is what it is

[quiet breach]

sims higher but has vers on it

[remote bobcat]

vers is a good stat

[quiet breach]

this costs only 1 spark?

[remote bobcat]

yes 1

[remote bobcat]

this aint that good tho

no?

more of a tank item no?

[quiet breach]

sims 0.1% higher than ever forged with haste/mastery for me

[remote bobcat]

yea but thats because u probably have overcapped stats

[quiet breach]

droptimizer forces me to pick one set of secondaries for ever forged, maybe I'll try mastery/vers

[remote bobcat]

which means that vers value is higher

try simming versa mastery boots

[coarse nest]

Do not craft those boots

Unless you’re doing some peak zoomer shit

[dense elbow]

it got an embelishment on it, so you are aware. You can craft the normal kind of boots without it

[regal falcon]

What's the best way to use Best-in-Slots if you have a 90 sec trinket, just macro it to reck or something?

[coarse nest]

Yes

[whole yacht]

What ilvl though

[coarse nest]

This is archi message about what he did

I have Priory + Slots, both macro'd to Reck so it just rotates and I always have one buff or the other

• Priory + Avatar on opener
• Slots when Reck comes back up ~1m in
• Priory + Reck again ~2m in
• Slots + Avatar when it comes back ~3m in
  and so on

[dense elbow]

660

[coarse nest]

That is also a 2 minute trinket

But still same logic I would assume

[whole yacht]

660 and you don't sim for higher? What kind of booty gear luck have you had?

I feel bad for you

😦

[dense elbow]

Don't, I was just a fool to sim

-150k to pick OF, stings

[coarse nest]

You’re not simming at 2.4-2.5M yet!?!?

[quiet breach]

I want an embellishment if I craft the boots. I currently have the 2h with ascension and no other crafted pieces. do I want to put writhing armor banding on it?

[dense elbow]

[quiet breach]

robot god says mastery/vers boots > mastery/haste

[coarse nest]

The sim knows what stats you want

Nobody else knows

[dense elbow]

You still simming boots with the embelishment? Don't. Just do normal boots with haste/vers and haste/mast as an example

[coarse nest]

Can dusk/dawn go on boots? Idek

[dense elbow]

Boots with the special effect

[forest fiber]

Heyo, got Jastor and BiS in vault on hero track - thinking Jastor since it's so heavily contested whereas nobody else needs BiS in my raid, does that make sense? BiS sims about 0.4% higher

[quiet breach]

robot god says the normal ever forged boots with mastery/vers > the zoomer boots

even without embellish

so with embellish is prob giga better

[dense elbow]

Makes sense, if you got a lot of haste, then vers/mast or even vers/crit might be really good

Embelishment value is in duskthread/dawnthread tho, remember to set their uptime in sims to 85%+

[coarse nest]

I’d go for jastor if it were me, heroic bis is replaced by crafted or mythic ilvl main hand/offhand

[quiet breach]

I have crafted wep with ascension

so don't I want writhing?

[forest fiber]

Yeah youre right ty ❤️

[quiet breach]

also I'm a raid focused player not m+, this is what I read on wowhead

ohhhh minorly behind

hmm

is duskthread significantly ahead of writhing in m+?

[coarse nest]

Yes bro if you have ascension weapon you must craft armor band

No debate about it

[rocky wharf]

Did u just sneak an ad in here? Lol

[coarse nest]

Why isn’t my ad block working

[west dagger]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bvqcupjfDNvsz1K9Eo8ZrQ

[dense elbow]

I am not raid focused, so I am sure A+writhing is the best choice for you if that is what ppl use and say

[dire vigil]

Oddly enough, the cinderbrew neck at 665 is a dps loss in ST and AOE in relation to the Mugzee high mastery neck, even at 658

[torpid elbow]

i still need the haste tho

[coarse nest]

You must have plenty of haste else where so that makes perfect sense

[torpid elbow]

20-25% haste should be fine

[dire vigil]

Yeah I thought I did too. I replaced the bis hero track belt and legs with the myth track high crit belt off cauldron and tier myth legs from vault, so I dropped a lot of haste and it didn’t matter

Kinda crazy, not complaining. Now I just have to grind my pacemaker still. Been a triggering hunt for that damn trinket so far

[torpid elbow]

i got the hero piece 1st time doing brew

[next ruin]

I have my rage bar changing color above 100 rage, works fine esp when not directly looking at it

[torpid elbow]

trinket*

[stoic star]

Is it a bad idea to use 2x Capital Punishers?

Feel like in M+ with shorter fights it would just stack the debuff quicker? i have no idea if it actually works.

[astral stag]

If i didnt get half spark last week am i doomed now?

[lapis eagle]

u crafted neck ?

[coarse nest]

No you’re good theirs catch up

Kill raid bosses or complete dungeons and you can get your catch up spark half from that

[torpid elbow]

i got my spark last night gonna end up crafting my wrists this week

[icy torrent]

How is this 1.4% better than Eye of Kezan HC?
Is it a sim trap?

[coarse nest]

The guy it summons dies a lot

Cool concept but bad in practice

[chrome plover]

he also doesnt show up on details/logs as your damage sometimes

[stoic star]

Yeah I play arms mostly

[lapis eagle]

ic

[stoic star]

I checked a lot of top Fury warriors that also had duskthread 2x embellishments

i also did it like the 2nd week.

neck i did this week

[icy torrent]

I gues sthe top Furys you checked had a mythic weapon from raid 😄

[stoic star]

In some cases yes

Think for players that are going between Fury and Arms for Keys or Raid were better off at start using those if they had a decent weapon or Bes tin Slots.

[lapis eagle]

i have macro best in slots with avatar and when i precast it sometimes with reck on opener it starts casting the shit

can we disable it ?

[stoic star]

I wouldnt macro that personally but to eaach their own

i keep recklessness with avatar on my main keybound macro, but in some neish cases you dont want avatar and only recklessness

[lapis eagle]

u have reck seperate

and avatar + best in slots

[torpid elbow]

i have reck and avatar same macro as well

[lapis eagle]

i*

[stoic star]

Sometimes in keys you dont want to use the avatar yet. im just saying also keep recklessness on your bars seperate from an avator macro.

idk about best in slots

[lapis eagle]

yeah i have them sep but no more keybinds for best in slots xd

[stoic star]

They should nerf tf outta the ring from s1. im sick of using it!

[eternal sundial]

Replace 2nd onuse trinket keybind temporarily

I put mine on my orc / troll racial bind cuz i am not either of those atm

[lapis eagle]

[forest owl]

so i never got my other spark this week cause of a bug, 2 ticket responses = nothing we can do, next week you'll get one, so im just perma behind everyone else, i have 1 crafted item, rest of guild will be on 3 this week, wtf is that bs

the first response says you need to do a variety of weekly content to get sparks, this was after i told them that today alone i had done 10x keys, 1x m0, the worldsoul and awakening weekly including 2 lfr bosses and nothing and all you get is some copy paste bs

[next ruin]

You tried world quests caches

[forest owl]

yeah opened one and nothing

[elfin wagon]

Did u open a "pinnical cache" already ?

[robust basin]

Is lock n stalk better in M+ as Mass destruction or ST?

[elfin wagon]

Mostly only rewarded from one of the weeklies. That should drop the half spark.

Never gotten it from M+

[proven otter]

dumb question, opening vault as fury do we want to generate for arms since no 1h or fury for more fury stats?

[modest condor]

there's no such thing as arms or fury stats

[forest owl]

i see no pinnacle caches available to me right now, either i did them or there's just nothing there but im positive weekly worldsoul gives you it, this is what all of my guildies had

[modest condor]

the only difference is that arms cant get 1h

[proven otter]

ah ok, ty

[modest condor]

so yes, open as arms

[supple estuary]

@akedor I still have sore memories getting a 1 hander in box

[quiet breach]

someone here posted a screenshot last week of him getting a mythic track 1 hander in his vault cuz he didn't switch loot spec to arms

I got a 1h for off spec off mugzee

last night

heroic

now I just need to get a shield and I'm able to be a prot gamer

[graceful dock]

forgot to change from gallywix talents so ran my +14 rookery w/ slayer lmao

at least boss dmg and focus dmg was good, group had good AoE so i think it was fine honestly

[median dust]

All i want is the renown raid buff. rip

[rare garnet]

At that point I would accept the L and play SMF for the rest of the tier as punishment

[shrewd magnet]

ths happened to me in DF multiple times i never knew you could change loot spec

[clever belfry]

smf is turbo garbage

worse than DF somehow

[thick fossil]

You would think after this many expansions of SMF being meme'd on, they would get rid of it and make something more useful to put into the tree.

Let it be a transmog option and call it a day.

[clever belfry]

"many expansions"

it has been in the tree since df again

last time smf existed before was cata

and before that tbc (kind of, cause TG didnt exist)

[thick fossil]

Yes I know, I played Cataclysm.

The one or two weeks where SMF was crazy broken cause of the wild modifiers they added to it.

[civic cloud]

hey guys, how would you go about crafting gear if you want to play both arms and fury ? haste/mastery with vers as embalishment ?

[shrewd magnet]

writhing and ascendancy

[thick fossil]

You can do either, mostly depends on how easily you can get your hands on mythic track weapons.

[tough bear]

Dunno if i shall take eye of kezan champion or head to get 4 set

I current have a 600 ilvl head and the set head is in hero

[clever belfry]

kezan is frankly not that good outside decently long raid encounters

99% you wanna get your 4pc instead

4th cata charge is next week however.

[regal mountain]

I kinda wish they would make SMF have a completely different style of play, maybe something closer classic style.

Like add a version cleave that can only be used with dual 1h, and sweeping strikes if you’re 1h only.

Something like that idk

Currently it just gets outperformed like crazy.

[mild ravine]

No such thing as being perma behind, that's just you being overdramatic, you'll drop the catchup one next week if you don't get it

[forest owl]

yeah i have nothing else to do this week, everything done, no spark, so i just got screwed and cant craft anything this week, thanks blizzard.

[tough bear]

I dont raid, i just do keys

[civic cloud]

well i did do the oopsie of already crafting a cloack and wrists for arms, with crit as an embalishment, so am lookign to recraft them now, i've got mythic weapons in both hands

[forest owl]

i am behind, period, thats as simple as that is, the game screwed me and ticket response is akin to some bangladesh chatgpt copy paste

[civic cloud]

so i guess i'll just recraft them with haste/mastery + writhing and ascendancy

[forest owl]

i know to you and some it might sound petty but i expect the game i pay for to work and not be a shitshow week after week regarding the spark system.

[mild ravine]

You seem to want to complain, no point in telling that you won't be behind, cause that's not how the game works.

[tough bear]

So u recommend me to take head ?

[forest owl]

you're right, conversation over.

[tough bear]

I simmed it, and it was only 1400 dps increase

[thick fossil]

That's what SMF should have been if anything. It should have been a completely different play loop, but that would ultimately be so much more work for them. As it is, it's impossible to make it balanced. Remove it, make it moggable, done.

[shrewd magnet]

what u feel is valid @forest owl but i dont think this is the place to vent? idk

[shrewd magnet]

hot take: 1h weapon mogs >>>>> every 2h weapon mog

[modest condor]

cant mog jaithys on 1h

[thick fossil]

Hmm, I wouldn't go that far. There are certainly some nice looking one handed weapons.

But ashkandi, gorehowl, and so many iconic 2 handers just win out.

Also, the sheathed look of 1 handers on the hip are kinda silly looking.

[edgy widget]

you're kinda silly looking!

let me sheathe 2hrs on the hip

[thick fossil]

Or draw a 2 hander over the shoulder from a sheath. Lol

[graceful dock]

Is our dmg in m+ supposed to be lower overall than other classes? Im not sure if im doing something wrong but it feels like my throughput is just consistently low except for single target

[thick fossil]

I've suited on 100 lbs of armor and fought with a 8lb longsword, you're not pulling it out of a sheath on your back. That's for damn sure.

[graceful dock]

also is looking at logs in m+ helpful? maybe i should start logging

[supple estuary]

Pull size will make a difference when you're 5 target capped

[thick fossil]

So funny thing, and this will clear things up a lot.
Fury, 5 to 8 things can be hit at a time for the vast amount of abilities we have.
Other classes, like druid, warlock, mage, etc. They can hit everything.

[supple estuary]

Against a boomie that isn't

[shrewd magnet]

some dungeons with smaller pulls and single target bosses fury wins over arms i think

places like priory, meadery arms >>>

[thick fossil]

One dungeon, ToP.

[graceful dock]

I see so having overall lower dps than other classes isnt necessarily an indicator that im playing poorly?

[thick fossil]

No

[shrewd magnet]

u can check warcraftl ogs and compare against other fury warriors thats ur best bet

[graceful dock]

I can do this for dungeons?

[shrewd magnet]

yes, u wont see actual logs unless u log it manually. they just pull it from leaderboads

[thick fossil]

Pretty much. You can't compare Fury to other classes, the tuning and reach just isn't there.

[graceful dock]

but I can check how much overall dps other people have at the end of the different dungeons? :o

[thick fossil]

Yes

[supple estuary]

Gotta watch with wcl though it does damage/time including out of combat so your details will read much higher

[shrewd magnet]

on warcraft logs? unless you log it, the results will be very diff

[thick fossil]

Which is fine, cause everyone is lower overall then their details.

[supple estuary]

Yes but if he is looking at his details and not logging himself on wcl it'll look like he's pumping?

[graceful dock]

i was thinking cause you mentioned comparing against other fury warriors on warcraftlogs, how do i find their dps so i can compare?

[shrewd magnet]

i would think the parses are enough of an indication but i could be wrong. though i do believe critcake logs his runs

[thick fossil]

True

[graceful dock]

the parses are just based on io score of the runs isnt it?

[shrewd magnet]

but i do not recommend comparing urself to critcake my man

[graceful dock]

doesnt necessarily say anything about my performance

[thick fossil]

Hah.
We're gonna compare little Jimmy at the under 16 track meet against Husain Bolt?

[shrewd magnet]

no, i just said it would be unwise to. only mentioned critcake in a sense that you can get his logs reliably than the average warrior idk

[thick fossil]

I know, I just found that funny is all.

[graceful dock]

how do i see anything about his dps/performance so i can compare?

[shrewd magnet]

@thick fossil arent these parses for DPS and not just io score?

[thick fossil]

You have to look at logged runs, not the overview

[shrewd magnet]

click on a dungeon and u will see Source as either log or leaderboard. if its Log then u can view the entire timeline

if its leaderboard u wont see

[thick fossil]

Yeah, pretty much.

[graceful dock]

ah okay yeah i can sort on the top there, i seee

[graceful dock]

holy shit he is gapping me

maybe arms is bad comparison actually

[shrewd magnet]

critcake is a bad comparison in general

[sullen dove]

2.2m

i beat that easy

[graceful dock]

highest dps could be from a +4 or smth though right? or is it based on highest completion

[shrewd magnet]

highest completion if im not mistaken

i mean highest key*

[graceful dock]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/stormscale/pybal?zone=43&metric=dps
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/zuljin/noxiv?zone=43&metric=dps
Noxiv is like 600k dps ahead of me in every single dungeon, 1m in cind O.o how does he get that kind of throughput?

[shrewd magnet]

anyway, thats how u find logs for m+. maybe now u can go thru raider io and click on like a warrior near or above ur current rank and see if they have any runs logged to compare

[thick fossil]

Yeah, the overview is not what you want to use to compare if you're doing something wrong or right.

[shrewd magnet]

his team enableing him

[graceful dock]

aaah i seeisee

[eager thorn]

[quiet breach]

yeah but at what cost, how many hours wasted in delves

[shrewd magnet]

this is a gross oversimplification but if u think about it, bigger and more efficient pulls, communication is better, synergy etc

[eager thorn]

not that long prob like 30 t8s in total

but getting coins is useful for alt maps anyway

[shrewd magnet]

wasnt this trink a simtrap all along

[graceful dock]

i see isee, so things outside just perfecting rotation/cd timers

[eager thorn]

i think its still decent

but its better than my 639 sacbrood

[shrewd magnet]

hes an extremely good player playing with extremely good team so

put him in a mess of a pug his dps might fall off

[whole yacht]

What delve is that

[shrewd magnet]

not significantly since he is still #1 warrior but you get my point

[eager thorn]

one @ bottom of ringing deeps

[hybrid karma]

can someone pls explain me how using a flask is a dps loss???? or did i understand something wrong?

[graceful dock]

yeah i see, makes sense

[shrewd magnet]

the new one?

[eager thorn]

yea

[quiet breach]

is the goal of his team to push as high IO as they can or to make noxiv's DPS as high as possible?

[shrewd magnet]

that is not at all what i meant

[hybrid karma]

enabling just means they play around cooldowns

[quiet breach]

I'm asking a question I am genuinely curious if that's a thing

[whole yacht]

Gotcha.

[quiet breach]

in classic wow the top parsers had guilds playing specifically around them

[graceful dock]

im assuming maximizing dps is a part of pushing as high io as possible

[shrewd magnet]

its not the same kind of enabling as ahlaundoh running a raid built for his parses

[hybrid karma]

makes no sense to do a big pull when no cds

[shrewd magnet]

more like, noxiv being a really good player surrounded by equally good players = more success

[shrewd magnet]

yeah this is not the kind of enabling i was referring to

im sorry for the misunderstanding

[thick fossil]

In a way, yes. It's not a one way street though. Noxiv is playing to his strengths, and his team is benefitting from what a warrior brings. Same as he benefits from Druid buffs, shaman/monk buffs, etc. So they play around each other to get the max out of their setup, as any team should be doing.

The high IO naturally comes with it.

Now players that don't play optimal and basically get "simps" pushing them higher in performance also happen. There is a particular boobie streamer that really annoys me in this situation. She gets PI with all her cool downs, babysat through things, much to the detriment of the overall group's performance.

[shrewd magnet]

booba

[lapis eagle]

BOOBA

[void willow]

Poor lad getting it after sim bait announcement

[eager thorn]

still better than anything i've got

[shrewd magnet]

if its sacbrood being replaced id take it

[edgy widget]

not bait; it's still an extremely good trinket, and getting it naturally through a map is the best possible outcome

taking it out of your vault would be the real unless there's actually nothing else worth getting

[manic mirage]

For heroic raid are people running slayer aoe or thane?

[edgy widget]

Slayer
the only fight worth playing Thane on is M Stix

[void willow]

Dont worry I definitely didnt do that

https://tenor.com/view/cat-ptsd-cat-ptsd-vietnam-scared-cat-gif-18079504

[edgy widget]

still a very strong trinket

[manic mirage]

👍

[edgy widget]

easily top 5 and far easier to come by; most people won't even have M Kezan or Cards in their vault for quite some time

[shrewd magnet]

does funhouse lens show up in vault as heroic or just champion

[dense elbow]

They are just a bunch of gamers who share the same goals, and chose to stick together and make the best out of the situation they are in. Their goal is not to push "one guy", it is to play together and push as a team

[mild ravine]

Dude, you're doing fine,.more than fone id say

Compared to.my trash ass

[quiet breach]

what makes thane good on Stix? is it cuz there's often above 5 targets to be cleaving at once?

[shrewd magnet]

we'll make it up there soon my friend

[restive peak]

Who wants to tell him about the correction

[edgy widget]

mostly the extra range and the adds typically being very spread out

[edgy widget]

keep scrolling nerd

[restive peak]

YOU KEEP SCROLLING NERD

Love you

[edgy widget]

I CANT IM FULLY SCROLLED

[restive peak]

SCROLLIN LIKE WE TROLLIN

ALL DAY

[winter shoal]

No need to talk negatively about yourself, just research and practice and you can improve

[edgy widget]

https://tenor.com/view/investigating-scrolling-reading-typing-texting-gif-5448169900515424189

[restive peak]

Bro VDHs who don't silence sigel in 15s

Is wild

[winter shoal]

Fotm rerollers smh

[restive peak]

Guy goes "I thought you guys would kick them all in"

Bruh, you started a pull w 2 melee and have sigel to stack them

[winter shoal]

My favorite is the leap into no demon spikes and instantly dying

[restive peak]

How TF you in a 15

Lmfao right

[winter shoal]

Also sigil of flame does like negative threat

I ripped off our vdh with a whipping 338k damage from thunder clap across 7 targets

[mild ravine]

I've gotten to a point where idk if I'm doing anything wrong. Might be a positioning thing.

[eager thorn]

i found out :( but its still 30k st over my 639 sacbrood

[restive peak]

Up huge

[restive peak]

WAIT FOR THREAT BOWL GAAWDDDD

• him, probably

[winter shoal]

Toss your logs into wowanalyzer, it's a little iffy for m+ logs but should give you a decent starting point

[restive peak]

If your uptime is poor as fury Darth you suffer brutally

Could be as simple as that

[winter shoal]

Unironically yes. He's a very good player though so I knew he was correct

[dense elbow]

Friendly reminder that pre-combat cast sigil creates no threat, so don't go ham before after the DH is in combat for a bit

[winter shoal]

Wait does it actually generate 0?

[dense elbow]

Yep, it is a bug that been around forever

[winter shoal]

Oh shoot

[dense elbow]

Far as I know, sigil of fire is the only one

[winter shoal]

Skill issue on my part then

Thanks for the heads up

[mild ravine]

Will do so, thx

[quiet breach]

should I just copy what some 99 parser is doing on Stix to see what thane build they are using?

[restive peak]

Just play the thane M+ build basically

[mild ravine]

I also often stick to the furthest target cause he is a prio.kick or sth, gonna run a couple keys focusing on dps alone.

[restive peak]

Even if you're prio'ing for kick, you can position to be close to the rest of the pack

But also you don't need to sit on a kick mob

You kick once every 15s, it will also likely move in after the kick, so just focus it, move sideways when needed, kick in, back to pack

[mild ravine]

Will work on that, thx for the tips

[restive peak]

❤️

Anytime big dog

You got this, it's all practice

[past thistle]

Saw the top warrior on my battlegroup still using 2p + 2p is this somehow better than 4p in any scenarios

[fair swallow]

Is there much optimization for mountain thane in M+ or is it just full send brain go brrrr

[halcyon python]

guys a question that might sound stupid

why the hell i have 2 one handed swords in myu vault opened as fury?

[past thistle]

fury can use 1h u should always open as arms

[eager mulch]

Fury has single minded talent to use them but its garbage

So set loot to arms to avoid 1handers

[halcyon python]

jeesus

2 myth track weapon

[past thistle]

life lesson, sorry brother

[halcyon python]

np gonna use them as prot

but thx

[fair swallow]

Any answer to this?

[eager mulch]

Wowhead has the rotation, its basically just a ST rotation with thunderclap applying the buff instead of ww for multitargets

[fair swallow]

So for the most part yeah full brr

[past thistle]

when u pop everything u wanna try to not waste tblast procs

from my understanding

avatar + ravager giving extra ones so spend em

[fair swallow]

Got it

[merry pewter]

does anyone know what setting we should leave Mister Lock-N-Stalk on?

[spare steppe]

change based on target count

[torpid elbow]

yo those new enchants that are coming out which ones ya'll think will be good for fury and what's ya'll opinion on them??

[silent aurora]

Mechano-core lost a lot of place on bloodmallet for fury in ST do you know what happened ?

[sullen dove]

bugfixed/nerfed

other trinkets buffed

potato potahto

[dire vigil]

I just fainted in Walmart again learning about the Noggenfogger Elixir nerfs

[modest condor]

just saw someone faint in walmart after looking at their phone

[dire vigil]

It was me

I fainted yesterday at the Mechano-Core, and today about Noggenfogger. The manager politely asked that I shop at Target instead

[modest condor]

you should probably get that checked out if you faint so often

[dire vigil]

The last time I fainted before yesterday was when Wolfdisco was benched for a 4th fire mage on Gallywix

[outer umbra]

is the leap macro not working for anyone else

old macro would just leap there with no circle indicator

[kindred basin]

How can i compete in m+ vs retry/ele doing 10m on big pulls? They destroy me in overall

[chilly fractal]

Fainted?!

[manic mirage]

I too would like to know

[edgy widget]

this is about to cause so much raid lag

[fair swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-death-star-laser-gif-9916316

[junior gale]

im just hoping they fix it to not pull out of combat mobs

[quiet geyser]

Whats it hitting for?

[frank dawn]

comparing them to embellishes doesn't exactly create excitement

[edgy widget]

top version is 1mil

pretty low proc rate though

[quiet geyser]

Twilight dev was uncapped in BFA though wasnt it? Like it hit everything in its path for full dam

[modest condor]

no

well

it started off uncapped

then they capped it to 10 with some weird scaling shenanigans below that

[edgy widget]

I'm not gonna bother testing that stuff, cause we'll have the spell data soon anyway

[modest condor]

i think it was like full damage to the first 5 targets and then half damage to the next 5 or something weird

[fair swallow]

I imagine we'll be using twi dev or infinite stars right?

[edgy widget]

probably Echo or Dev for AoE and Wound or Stars for ST, but TBD

[azure holly]

anyone who was a working reflect WA pack?

I tried one on wago but it just never worked

[edgy widget]

#1237307732705415228 the usual one by Torkal works

[azure holly]

that seems to be the one I already tried

any idea why it wouldn't work? I've never ever seen it pop up

[quiet geyser]

Do you have it updated?

[azure holly]

I can try that but that doesn't explain why it never worked before, including season 1

[merry pewter]

@edgy widget I saw your updates about the trinkets, is the sim assuming LockNStalk is always in Precision mode?

[quiet geyser]

The first version in s2 didnt work for me either. Updating fixed it

[edgy widget]

depends on # of targets

[edgy widget]

its always worked for me, try fully deleting and reimporting fresh

[azure holly]

will do

also is there a sheet/list anywhere with reflectable boss mechanics?

[modest condor]

in the faq

[frank glen]

hey 🙂 quick question, is 2p new + 2p old worth? Im to dumb to sim, dont know how i can get the tier pieces in there i dont have them in inv

[azure holly]

cheers

[edgy widget]

it's better than either 4p until you get a good ilvl bump, yeah

[fair swallow]

Here's hoping we'll have a good tier set next raid

[kindred basin]

I just want uncapped aoe

I don't like doing tank dmg on 10+ adds

[quiet geyser]

That will also result in the base spec getting a nerf though

[fair swallow]

We had a crap set last tier too and still got nerfed so seems like we need one extreme or the other lol

[sullen dove]

Me when mage set is just “do 15% more damage unconditionally with 50%+ uptime”

[velvet obsidian]

That's just mage though. Blizz likes wizards more than warriors

[fair swallow]

Paladin and mage are blizzards love childs

[quiet geyser]

That was due to raid design though. Furys currently like a top 3 simming spec, with a doo doo stinky tier set. If they give us a tier set that gives like 10%+ dmg, we're gonna eat a huge nerf

I'de rather the base spec be strong, and a weaker tier set that maybe is fun to play or something

Like df season 1, the set sucked but execute was fun to press

[fair swallow]

I can agree to that, this tier set just doesn't do anything for me

[velvet obsidian]

Back when we pressed execute for the damage

[fair swallow]

Doesn't add any fun factor

[quiet geyser]

At this point I'd rather our next tier set do like next to no ST but buff our high target AoE somehow haha

[fair swallow]

Honestly yeah I'd take that

Fury weakest point is that 5 target cap

[manic mirage]

I would love for fury to just be the Undisputed AOE champ

That's five Target cap really hurt us

[fair swallow]

Wasn't there a time where it was fury as the AOE spec and arms the st?

[quiet geyser]

2p - whirlwind buff now affects 7 extra targets instead of 4.

4p- casting rampage also casts whirlwind(slayer), or thunderclap(mountain thane).

[next ruin]

second mythic track wep while i have a crafted wep, its the move right

[quiet geyser]

PLEASE

[fair swallow]

W tier set

[kindred basin]

Good buff : tank instantly dies if pulling 6+ adds

[torpid elbow]

most def i will shyt a brick if that day comes

[forest owl]

imagine losing this tierset though next tier

[fading sky]

100% wrong

[fair swallow]

They already do that in 7s now lol

[manic mirage]

What is it then?

[fading sky]

Fury is good in keys

[torpid elbow]

oh im pumping today just crafted my lat piece which is my wrists

[fading sky]

Overall might suffer but strong prio dmg and boss dmg

[quiet geyser]

True. I did not think that far ahead.

HOWEVER, next tier is the last.. and blizz has a habit of bringing in old tier sets/borrowed powered into new expansions for the specs.. so... 😬

[fading sky]

Makes for faster keys

[torpid elbow]

once we get all geared up it'll be more fast higher keys

[forest owl]

fury good in m+..til the uncapped classes pop 20m dps while you're chilling with the tank

[ancient osprey]

vers embelish?

[fading sky]

Can ppl pls stop lookin only at overall

[torpid elbow]

yes

[kindred basin]

I don't enjoy m+, i enjoy seeing the numbers go 📈

[torpid elbow]

the positive and negative one

[fading sky]

Our issue is bladestorm + of + roar being weak, as those 3 are our supposed big aoe buttons

[torpid elbow]

i feel like we got secretly buffed lol

then the 4pc is just good

[dire vigil]

No no, I meant feigned, to drop aggro

[forest owl]

im not denying fury has good prio, but we ALL know that community perception of overall dps meters is all anyone cares about, so if you're choice is the uncapped giga classes vs a fury warrior, i doubt anyones thinking about prio dmg when all they want is the uncapped gods, again, thats just the perception of the playerbase though

[fading sky]

Then play arms

[velvet obsidian]

Not taking our AoE capstone talent even in AoE situations. . I love it.

[fading sky]

If u are at a lvl where it matters u should be able to play both warrior specs

[torpid elbow]

if we get a buff on our roar and the bleed damage

itll be more viable but your right roar is in a weak state rn

[forest owl]

i dont play arms, i find fury more fun. if i have to do tank damage on a 20 target pull so be it, but i ain't being forced into playing a spec cause of how they screwed fury because of last raid

[fading sky]

Dude

Fury is super strong atm

[kindred basin]

If arms is uncapped ill probably try and switch

[velvet obsidian]

Arms is just fury with one less weapon. Why live at that point?

[fading sky]

Cleave is softcapped

[forest owl]

Did i say fury was NOT good at any point of this conversation? Nope.

[fading sky]

No but do we want all specs to do the same??

[gilded pawn]

yeah

[atomic fog]

hi guys how do you sim best gem combinations within the same items on raidbots ?

[gilded pawn]

they should all only auto attack

[forest owl]

I aint getting into an argument over this, I'm sick of seeing this debate tbh.

[manic mirage]

Auto attack only classes lololol

[odd garden]

ur all thinking too hard, its i either have 2 big ass crossed 2 handers on my back or i aint having it

[fading sky]

Ok

[fair swallow]

The problem with m+ right now is that a lot of players are bible thumpers when it comes to tier lists and crap like that

[fading sky]

Classic blizzard on hunters

[modest condor]

lmao

[torpid elbow]

right thought the same wished we got buffed "whether it was inteded or not"

[fading sky]

But of should be bis in m+

Like they need to tune that more

Ofc

[manic mirage]

This is really it in my opinion, every class is viable for every Mythic plus dungeon some can simply do it a little faster than others but every combination is viable some require better communication than others

[fair swallow]

I miss of

I also miss empowered bloodthirsty and raging blow

[fading sky]

Id say u need to get to pretty high keys b4 thats an issue

Ive got no problem gettin into 10-11s as warrior

So i feel like the public opinion on warrior is pretty good

I might be 100% wrong

[fair swallow]

I'm 662 with a 2.2k io and I've gotten denied from 6 and 7s lol

[manic mirage]

Yeah I never have an issue getting in the keys but I never push really high keys I don't do a ton of Mythic Plus in reality I probably maybe do 30 a season it's just not a big thing for me but yeah if I wanted to push you know 14s and 15s you'd start to see the Warriors kind of get pushed out a little bit I would guess

[fading sky]

M8

Every dps not super meta will get declined