fury

[dire vigil]

If you’re not using Thug Hotline Bling + Noggenfogger you’re just trolling

[balmy shore]

wee!!!!!!

[thorny peak]

get mechano amplifier... its dropped in value......wait it dropped in value

[plucky onyx]

Just got House of cards today from the weekly quest. Thats probably worth using during bloodlust over Best in slots yeah? Save bis for another cd window?

bis is giving me haste

[young swan]

yeah i would

[slim coral]

A

W

[feral ivy]

which should i use in quick heroic reclear amp+peace or eye or lens

[winter shoal]

Sim like 3-4 min patchwerk

[wanton obsidian]

any1 else take mechano core today from vault

(before the fix)

[median kestrel]

what is this on the bloodmallet sim

[winter shoal]

It's still strong don't worry

Just not BIS

[wanton obsidian]

ya i already had house of cards and pacemaker

rest of my vault was complete shit

[uneven path]

I wonder how good is Mister lock-n-stolk in aoe

[median kestrel]

do i not worry about mechano core anymore then

[pine crater]

what did you end up taking?

[wanton obsidian]

mechano core

[pine crater]

I have the same situation only mechano-core in my vault lmao

[wanton obsidian]

before the bugfix

🙃

[pine crater]

i still havent taken it

[wanton obsidian]

sims are updated now

so just sim

as usual

[pine crater]

im wondering if I should go for that or sockets

that still sims highest for me lol

[wanton obsidian]

then you prob take that

[uneven path]

Tbh it's still really strong trinket

[wanton obsidian]

or you can compare to pacemaker 665 since that's farmable from keys

[wanton obsidian]

ya i already had 665 house of cards and pacemaker tho

so just a completely wasted vault now

[uneven path]

Mm really ? I would assume it is still better then pacemaker

But I guess it highly depends on your gear

[wanton obsidian]

ye

[leaden ember]

is noggenfogger sim bait?

[pine crater]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/boV314epTpCQ4xKcUXAsYR

see take a look lol, even still beats 665 seaforium pacemaker @wanton obsidian

[median kestrel]

is noggen bad too

like all the delve trinkets were bugged?

[restive peak]

It was unhasted today, also it can die

So it's a bit of a prog trap anyway

[median kestrel]

so only energy drink is the only REAL good trinket from delves

[winter shoal]

Funhouse lens is also good but neither of those are bis

[modest condor]

mechanocore is also strong

[spare steppe]

just not as strong

[modest condor]

people are acting like 0.4% means it's useless now

[median kestrel]

not looking too strong for me

[modest condor]

oh no it's only the 2nd strongest trinket it's dead now time to delete it

[spare steppe]

who's calling it dead lol

[median kestrel]

bro is crashing out from all the mechano core messages

[modest condor]

it's just because people dont know the difference between "not the best" and "bad"

[spare steppe]

i just want the sims to stop telling me to find a noggenfogger

[pine crater]

@modest condor could you help me out with a vault situation I got, it's in the arms channel

oh wait I think you replied to me on crit's discord

[modest condor]

wasnt exactly an answer tbh

and depends on if you think you're gonna get any of the trinkets from mythic raid

[uneven path]

Wait lock-n-stolk is phys dmg?

[modest condor]

the singletarget effect yeah

[uneven path]

Oh in sims it says precision blasting both times

Is there way to make it sim as aoe ?

[modest condor]

it does that automatically

if you do an aoe sim it will do the aoe proc

[uneven path]

Ok thank you 👍

@modest condor any advice how to sim for M+ ?

[modest condor]

i just do singletarget and multitarget patchwerk sims and make an educated decision based on that

[round girder]

is it still simming high for you? i had it simming high also but its dropped off a cliff for me now

[ionic obsidian]

can we dual wield a polearm? got a haste/mastery mythic track in vault....

[manic gulch]

yes

weapon type doesn't matter

[rich beacon]

Is Noggenfogger Ultimate Deluxe simbait?

[ionic obsidian]

so you think its worth taking then?

[manic gulch]

sim it

[uneven path]

Thanks, will try to sim 1 - 5 - 9 seems like best outcome.

[manic gulch]

actually wait

maybe polearms are different ?

type doesn't matter - there's no difference between swords, axes, or maces as long as they all have strength.

from wowhead

for crafted weapon

unless archie forgot to mention polearms

but i think all weapons are the same anymore

[ionic obsidian]

hmm i got poleaxe of somber fate

[manic gulch]

oh

that's the bis weapon from m+

so i guess you're good

gz

[ionic obsidian]

lol man imn tired

[balmy shore]

thanks for ur best in slots WA @covert blaze

[frank dawn]

oh right...it's dispel affix week. I guess I don't get to play the game on my warrior this week

[covert blaze]

glad u like it

[spare steppe]

yeah it was simming as the highest trinket (using house of cards + energy drink)

[stoic star]

If you crated Bracers/Belt for the Dusk/Dawnthread Embellishments\

[winter shoal]

Another instance of me being on track for a top 5 log and then having an incident (tank walked into cauldron frontal and bosses got 99% DR because we had no battle res)

[nova atlas]

any jastor diamonds from the weekly quest yet?

[sweet palm]

So it begins, i get invited to keys they notice that im playing Fury, and kick me from the party

and i even cant say that they are wrong

This is a new low for me

[winter shoal]

Those are some demon groups then

Also just queue arms and then swap fury like who fuckin cares

[tidal kindle]

We had a drop

Went to monk

(He is a more consistent player than me, deserved)

[grand condor]

Okay silly question, but if I want to parse better on mythic vexie, do I avoid soaking oils lmao

[dire vigil]

ngl, tough. Good vault

[spare steppe]

gotta go fast!

[balmy shore]

heroic jastor diamond our went to our ww

😔

[upbeat plume]

I got the one from my guild

but I play both specs and it sims waaaay higher for arms

[chilly fractal]

sigh... no Best In Slots dropped today

[whole yacht]

what gems am i supposed to run in the circlet now?

[whole yacht]

dropped 2 weeks in a row for me. didnt get either. no drop this week.

[median kestrel]

what yall crafting this week?

[whole yacht]

wrist

[median kestrel]

oh wait right claymore and wrists, i went with dusks instead

[sullen steeple]

I'm using the use trink & BiS macro and it isn't using my BiS when trink is on cooldown. I think I did it properly (BiS in offhand), but can someone see what I'm doing wrong? #showtooltip Recklessness
/use 13
/use Recklessness
/use Avatar
/use [combat] 17

[chilly fractal]

yea the past 2 weeks we saw it on heroic... went to a feral then a d-voker

but... I got my fingers crossed for a Jastor diamond to drop because I think I get it if it does...

[whole yacht]

one went to a BDK for me ;-;

[sturdy river]

is parsing on stix just pure RNG ?

what a dogshit fight

[winter shoal]

Dogshit fight yes

RNG kind of

A good player with bad rng will still do better than a bad player with good rng

[dense fulcrum]

so lock nstock gonna be bis eh...

so the use effect is for aoe and the equip effect is for st?

[winter shoal]

AFAIK it switches between an aoe mode and a single target mode

But the aoe mode is allegedly kinda shit and also if you're playing fury in aoe anyawys it's for prio dam

So might as well just leave it in precision mode

[dense fulcrum]

i see

well gonna drop it anywya so 🤷🏼‍♂️

i just maxed out mechano core

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[winter shoal]

amplifier is still very good

Especially for 65

665

[whole yacht]

what gems we use for circlet?

[grim star]

is there a macro to guarentee we will never change the best in slot weapon to an intellect one?

[silk wharf]

I have no clue how long but my reck/ava macro was backwards.

[spare steppe]

dont use it out of combat

[grim star]

fair enough lol

[fickle cedar]

/cast [combat]

[thin cliff]

/use [combat] Best-in-Slots

[quiet breach]

ive got a couple purple parses to my name now :pog:

[spare steppe]

huh good to know about that

[torpid elbow]

due to the simc error is mechano trinket still viable?

[spare steppe]

yes its still very good, just not bis

see the #updates-midnight

[sour tundra]

hmm so looks like everyone is crafting wrists this week?

[quiet breach]

do u guys like single target talents or multitarget talents on onearm bandit?

[torpid elbow]

ST

[quiet breach]

u think thats the play even in a heroic pug?

[edgy widget]

Fury loses very little in a MT build, so might as well do that if you ever think adds will live longer than a few seconds

[undone flower]

After some weeks heroic AoE bosses becomes ST for a lot of specs

Bc shit die in 2-3 gcd

[winter shoal]

I would 110% play aoe in a heroic puh

pug

Those rat demons can't be trusted to kill adds

[celest hearth]

anyone else have the noggenfogger trinket from delves simming the highest for ST lol\

[tepid solar]

Random noob question: do we need to update our missive for s2 when recrafting 2h?

[oblique trail]

Only if you want to change it

[tepid solar]

Perfect, thanks!

[oblique trail]

Yes, but I would not put much stock into it, and consider using something else unless you can guarantee the pirate you spawn wont die, and that you always drop it by the boss so it maximises uptime

If you can't, or just can't be bothered (or it's an AoE fight) just stick to the next highest simming option, depending on how far off it is

[celest hearth]

thanks lol

[bright sable]

bro I redid my trinket sims after the update in the update channel

and what the fuck

🤨

[summer quail]

mechano still good

[bright sable]

my old BIS out of my trinkets was Mechano + Energy drink

[earnest canyon]

40k increase easy win

[bright sable]

I dropped this hero track noggenfogger earlier out of my bountiful map

[lean nacelle]

isn't noggenfogger bait?

[bright sable]

I do not trust Noggen

seems like hella bait

[lean nacelle]

the guy it spawns can die, not worth

[frozen field]

Should I ever hold CDs to line up with BiS?

[bright sable]

I'm still confused by 2 8/8champ Delve trinkets being a ton better than all the "BIS" M+ trinkets I have dropped so far but it is what it is..

luckily neither are Use trinkets so I get to not worry about an extra button lol

[spring bay]

i have a question, i have noggenfoger trinket and house of cards both on hero track, but im still not convinced the noggenfoger trinket is better than house of cards

is the sim correct? or is there some kind of bug

[bright sable]

scroll up like 2 messages in chat

[spring bay]

ooh so its actually bait

[silk wharf]

I used Noggen on two bosses in heroic. I got 3 uses and it died instantly two of those times.

Maybe it didnt. It not being in the in-game damage log makes it so hard to tell

WARcraft logs doesnt even attribute it to a player.

[graceful dock]

how come haste/vers legs are on the BIS list and not the haste/mast ones?

[silk wharf]

because we are overflowing with mastery, im in the second or third dr threshold.

only 661

[graceful dock]

so theres deminishing returns on mastery after a certain point?

[earnest canyon]

remember the bis list is a complete list, and when you consider certain items in isolation, they are not bis outside of the complete list

[silk wharf]

All stats.

[graceful dock]

what are the breakpoints for fury?

if any

[oblique trail]

None that you care for

[silk wharf]

Its whatever the raidbots robot says, at least thats how i go.

[oblique trail]

Just use top gear to figure out your stats in your scenario, there are no stat amounts to hit

[graceful dock]

I have both the haste/mast legs and haste/vers legs in vault so im not sure which to pick, ig haste/vers since theyre bis later on?

[oblique trail]

If there are any particularly meaningful ones, the sim will account for it

[random raptor]

I don't necessarily feel weak in keys, but with every day that passes I do feel so much weaker in comparison to other classes even though overalls aren't that much lower than others

maybe its because of other classes doing over 10m on big pulls

anyone else feel the same?

[silk wharf]

Limit them to 5 targets I say.

[fair swallow]

or just give fury a 8 target limit like arms has

[somber elk]

helmet or lens? helmet is my weakkest part tho

[fair swallow]

do you plan on playing arms in mythic+?

also it'd help to see your current gear

[somber elk]

kinda dont like it

[silk wharf]

non-english is so much more interesting than english. Those names are so cool.

[fair swallow]

then pick the helm in my opinion

well hold up

viscera is also really good

[somber elk]

have mechano und peacmaker actually

[somber elk]

also in keys?

[fair swallow]

mechano is better in keys but viscera would be better for raids

[somber elk]

idc about raid

[fair swallow]

then nvm lol

just get the helm then

[pulsar prawn]

might be a mythic weapon (dang it i crafted last week)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e9jczKbMh6ttn8mpnSjHj1

[fair swallow]

what's your non crafted?

if it's hero track then the mythic weapons is still worth

max out the myth weapon with the crafted weapon in the off-hand

[pulsar prawn]

yeye thats what in the sims is also ^^

[tepid cedar]

lol i dont understand why ppl are so upset about myth weapon u should be happy

[spring bay]

just to double check lock n stock and house of cards, is better than going with lock n stock and noggenfogger

[lapis eagle]

good combo chat ?

[civic tundra]

socket week 3 crazy

[remote zephyr]

I'm overcapping mastery so hard that haste/vers sims best now, and by quite a bit

[hidden storm]

Does anyone have any numbers from Torq's Big Red Button trinket? It sounds pretty good to me but don't see it ranked.

[bright sable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1292966550739091468/1354307856102592582/image.png?ex=67e4d0fa&is=67e37f7a&hm=46b8941640bfbcc045fc6bc2b4c13fe6c044f8b563933cf2feaf06907c36d11b&

lmao this is the best from my vault

myth track hands that I have to use catalyst on

DEPRESSION

at least it has leech..

[stone cobalt]

@oblique trail yo come keys

[compact knot]

you CANNOT be mad about this

bis item with leech you dont unequip

smh

[remote zephyr]

well he does have use a catalyst

[bright sable]

I was hoping for a wep again, since I miscrafted my wep

😭

[compact knot]

what else would you use it on

[bright sable]

trying to make up for my mistakes

[remote zephyr]

use it on your mythic jastor diamond ring ofc

[bright sable]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kakfQeJTxHP4WtkAE4YCvm

[compact knot]

YUP

[bright sable]

heres my gear if y'all wanna take a look

[compact knot]

oh you didnt even upgrade it

[compact knot]

did you craft a int wep

[bright sable]

I did indeed

[compact knot]

yeah thats kinda unfortunate

[remote zephyr]

can you not make a ticket for that?

[bright sable]

nope!

all crafts are final.

[remote zephyr]

wait

I'd quit

[bright sable]

You cannot get back the sparks in any way

you just have to wait 4 weeks

👍

[compact knot]

i was hoping for a myth track wep since i crafted both embellishments

instead ive gotten 3 mythic tier pieces instead (used catalyst)

[bright sable]

im gonna sim what I would have been doing if I didnt miscraft

just to feel the self hatred even more

also, im doing fucking abysmally compared to my sims tbh so the items dont really matter xd

[compact knot]

i have all tier pieces on myth track + off piece myth track helmet

[bright sable]

need to improve rotation

[compact knot]

feels good

[remote zephyr]

min maxing damage on fury rotation takes more brain cells than people believe

atleast I think so

[compact knot]

ehh

not really

started playing arms this tier and i guess im unfairly comparing arms this tier to fury from last tier, but arms thinks way more

maybe with AM you need to think more about when to save and when to use

[remote zephyr]

I was arms last tier and swapped fury halfway through

[mellow crow]

are we lifelong cyrce'rs

[compact knot]

nah

[mellow crow]

for st have yet to get anything better w/ quite few 665s

[remote zephyr]

hitting the shiny button when it's up isn't always the most optimal for min maxing dps

[bright sable]

could be worse I guess...

😭

[compact knot]

you have main hand myth track wep already

[bright sable]

casual 2.3% DPS loss because im braindead

[compact knot]

so its not like its life ending

[bright sable]

yeah I got insanely lucky vault after miscraft

[vague sail]

^

[bright sable]

if I didnt get that I may legit have quit

LMAO

my guild is.. not doing great and idk if I have the energy to look for another

and then this

:/

[lapis eagle]

this week we can skip to mugzee ?

[bright sable]

I guess I should just grab the gloves

Everything else seems like a waste

[flat river]

another mythic track weapon

[earnest canyon]

i would love to get that

[flat river]

now my main-hand and off-hand are mythic track

:P

[earnest canyon]

I hate you grats man!

[wispy laurel]

Fellow Warriors - Rotation Question.
at big pull - after click all cds. What is best rotation? Rampage - Raging B then Ramp -- sometimes BT ?
im little bit confused about BT - Bleed dot apply. at opener i almost not using BT for like 15sec.
keep spamming RB and Ramp at opener is best ?

[bright sable]

Since I fucked up my wep craft, and I think I get 1 spark now this week

What should I use that spark on?

Should I save for 2 more weeks for crafted wep? Should I upgrade my bracers to 675? Should I craft a completely different piece of gear (like cape or something) so I can get embellishment bonus?

[quiet breach]

if im east coast should i not apply to west coast guild?

or does the ping not matter

[earnest canyon]

it matters if it matters to you

[sacred marlin]

Does the Writhing Armor Banding scale with ilvl? i.e., is it a good move to use gilded crests to craft it OR can I use my free heroic crest from the campaign?

[oblique trail]

None of the embellishments scale with ilvl

[low folio]

With the increase in ilvl by the end of the season, embellishments will be pretty small bonuses it feels

End of the expansion*

[keen turret]

weekly m10 run just keeps on giving. didnt take the trinket last week, aint takin it this week.

[quiet breach]

rest in peace animal

[keen turret]

kinda sucks since I aint raiding mythic so m+ slots are my only option to get mythic loot 😂

[modest condor]

they're probably gonna increase them next patch

otherwise they could legit just not be worth crafting anymore

and they dont want that

[random raptor]

Blizzard should also uncap fury and let us grow another arm to use 3 two handers, I've had enough!

[fair swallow]

Just increase our cleave limit to 8

That'll easily put fury on the board for M+

[sour frigate]

noxiv tops without all this

therefore skill issue guys

[low folio]

Give us 2 arms on our back and wield 4 weapons yes yes

[fair swallow]

Isn't arms just better for m+?

[low folio]

It does better aoe, fury is kinda of a prio damage with ok aoe

[fickle cedar]

big vault moment

[modest condor]

grats

got the same one myself

[fickle cedar]

thanks sil

yeah goes crazy, i greeded and made vambraces 675 since i have nothing to use the crests on this week

[fair swallow]

So fury would be better for dfc and top while arms would be better for cinderbrew and priory

[fickle cedar]

depends honestly, most dungeons have massive pulls the more you push

but top might be a bit more leaning towards fury, only 2 massive pulls

[lapis eagle]

guys can't get more than 3.5mil in brew wtf

overall

hunter ret 5.5+

im the reason key breaks

[fickle cedar]

its a shit dng for fury dont worry

[lapis eagle]

yeah but everyone blames

"Warrior low dmg "

[bitter palm]

press N and arms

and do more than them

[fickle cedar]

i mean what do they expect, you're there for small packs boss and buff

[bitter palm]

long sweep arms fucks in that dungeon

[quiet breach]

I killed heroic mug'zee in a pug tonight

if heroic mugzee is killable in a pug gallywix sure as fuck is too

[bright sable]

We got to 0.1% in our guild run tonight

[quiet breach]

how many pulls

[bright sable]

16

[quiet breach]

oof

[bright sable]

😃

It might be time for me to look for another guild again :))

But tbh my parses are fucking dogshit and it's pissing me off

[quiet breach]

im gonna stay guildless unless i can get into a guild thats doing mythic or about to start doing mythic

in the meantime will try to get all my parses purple at least

i have a couple purples

[bright sable]

I only have one and it makes me violently angry lol

[lapis eagle]

if next week no mythic track weapon im getting Desperate

[quiet breach]

afaik as long as ur shit is blue/purple u can get into a mythic guild

[bright sable]

I have a 16 Vexie Mythic parse

That also makes me violently ill

[quiet breach]

one of the yellow name peeps here was saying hes gotten into top 500 guilds with just blue/purp

[bright sable]

My guild is aiming for mythic but it's taking its sweet time lol

[smoky vale]

if you dont die

you can get into guilds

[bright sable]

I die sometimes because I'm stupid

But not often

[quiet breach]

tbh

i really should just send this crafft

and craft the fukkin pants

but like

[bright sable]

This makes me extremely upset ngl

[quiet breach]

imagine the pieces i get the next few weeks force me to take them off

[bright sable]

My friends are saying it's partly my guilds fault because the kills take too long which fucks my parses, but I'm also just not doing enough damage

[atomic fog]

Always guild fault fs fs

[bright sable]

I need to pug and just ignore mechanics completely and only do damage

[bright sable]

I'm sure it's mostly my fault, but it's taking like 5-10 min between pulls, people aren't using combat pots, people are fucking up assigned mechanics so I have to leave boss to deal with their fuckups, etc

Raid Leader is doing just bad strats/not knowing fights/wrong callouts so we throw ourselves at boss

[quiet breach]

i do the fights correctly and make sure i know how to do all the mechanics

that i would be expected to do as a melee dps

[quartz rampart]

same, dunno what to do

[bright sable]

I parse better in pugs because I just ignore mechanics lmao

[quiet breach]

if u just ignore mechanics ur not practicing doing them and if u do get a trial to a real guild ur gonna fuck up when they test u on mechanics

[bright sable]

At least on Vexie and Cauldron

I'm practicing them in guild runs

But in guild runs I get no parses

[sonic magnet]

how bad is underpin on fury btw?

[bright sable]

Again I'm not blaming my guild more than like 10%, I definitely just need to be better

Idk what to do at this point tho tbh, I have sent VOD/Logs to a insane Warrior friend and he just pointed out some basic rotational stuff and didn't say there was anything fundamentally wrong

So I feel like I'm at my skill ceiling or something lol

[late totem]

#1347646810457636974

[quiet breach]

fuck it, no more thinking

im crafting the legs

i shouldve just pulled the trigger before i did a bunch of raiding tonight

tbh

[bright sable]

Why legs?

[quiet breach]

cuz it has the most stats

and also legs are my literal shittiest piece

i have

most stats besides chest i mean

but i have hero tier chest

[bright sable]

Do you have any input to my conundrum

[quiet breach]

i do not brother, how did u fuck it up

did u not do enchanted gilded

[bright sable]

No I crafted the wrong weapon

[quiet breach]

as long as it has strength

[bright sable]

So two sparks are deleted basically

[quiet breach]

its fine

[bright sable]

It does not

[quiet breach]

bro...

[bright sable]

:)

[tepid cedar]

did u guys receive a 3rd ful spark today?

[edgy widget]

Yeah, thanks to the welfare half, this week should be full

[quiet breach]

ok wait, i just realized before i pull the trigger on these legs

is the embellishment for legs the same as the one for bracers?

[quartz rampart]

@edgy widget reliable? i'm kinda confused. Thought HOF could be better

[tepid cedar]

ok what the fuck is dropping it. im only at half and cant get another to make the third

nm it was in my fkn vault

[bright sable]

I guess maybe I should consider crafting legs, but I do have hero 1/6 so it doesn't feel like a massive difference

[edgy widget]

ngl I did the same thing earlier today (except I was trying to find last week's half)

[wheat lantern]

decent damge breakdown in a nut shell ? +10 ML . died once. i feel like im not bloodthirsting enough honestly

[sour temple]

pacemaker angle or is not that good anymore with the direct damage trinket buffs?

[tribal flint]

im sure its stillr eally good for keys

[fickle cedar]

i think pace tbh, there's not many good trinkets from m+ vault, but there's a lot of m+ weapons

[fickle cedar]

bt should be higher yes

[wheat lantern]

pretty sure other trinkets are still garbage for fury , even with buff

[wheat lantern]

yeah def feels like it , can i send it on huge packs without 3+ stacks or always get 3 stacks roughly

[fickle cedar]

if the pack is massive yeah always send bt on cd you want to fish for as much as you can

[wheat lantern]

that might be the answer i need , thank you

[lapis eagle]

good advice

[edgy widget]

100% weapon if you don't already have one
pacemaker is maybe a little overvalued (due to downtime) but is still very good

[dense fulcrum]

Eye of kezan is bis in keys? (10-11+)

[edgy widget]

theoretically if you could maintain it without dropping, yeah, but that's a pretty unlikely if not impossible in some keys

[dense fulcrum]

Wanted to try other stuff fo keys

[grand pewter]

I've got to choose between myth track tier gloves and Jastor hero track. Sim says gloves are a 2k dps increase over Jastor. Anything I'm not seeing on the Jastor ring?

[edgy widget]

make sure you setup the sockets/gems correctly

[sour temple]

I already have a myth track wep and hc best in slots

[latent hedge]

hands way easier to get

[edgy widget]

M OH is still > HC BiS, but you can sim that out yourself

just get a H Diamond out of your 4 dungeon quest cache

[eternal sundial]

No socket

[fickle cedar]

crazy! grats

[eternal sundial]

Tragic

[grand pewter]

Thanks, seems I didnt add sockets properly

[grand pewter]

Yeah, I'll probably not clear raid consistently and never on mythic.

[edgy widget]

not that huge since I already had normal, but given that I had normal there was no way the guild was ever gonna give me a H one lol

[sour temple]

yh is like a 2k upgrade at 678 and seaforium sims 18k over the 665 i have equipped so i think that's the best option (wep upgrade is free tho)

[latent hedge]

plus ring with dinars in like a month

[dense fulcrum]

Archi whats the current best trinket combo for high keys after the patch?

[pastel stone]

hmm pretty terrible vault.. is there any way that ring is ever going to be worth shit? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gC6pBoVsMKATBzyZqT1Lfu

[edgy widget]

idk, I don't hate myself enough to push high keys

[vague sail]

facts

[edgy widget]

probably Cards + Pacemaker/Mechano

[dense fulcrum]

And what about 10-12

[quiet breach]

guys, rank these in terms of difficulty: Heroic Mug'zee, Heroic Gallywix, Mythic Vexie

[edgy widget]

hypothetically Kezan, but it's just not gonna happen that regularly

[edgy widget]

H Mug > H Gally > M Vex

[quiet breach]

so M vexie is the easiest of these?

[edgy widget]

yes

[quiet breach]

shit so I should be able to pug it easily then right?

if I just killed h mugzee with randos

[sour frigate]

depends on group...

pugged it week 1 easily

[edgy widget]

idk I don't pug raid so I've no idea what that landscape looks like atm

[quiet breach]

do u think cauldron is puggable

[edgy widget]

but I would not think it'd be overly difficult no

mechanically, I don't think the raid gets difficult until Stix; that's gonna block a bunch of pugs
Crucible and Rik are really just comp/numbers checks

[sour frigate]

yes the boss is manequin

i didnt do it cuz my party was doing s1 damage

even lower

[quiet breach]

if u kill a single mythic boss do u get an extra mythic track slot in vault?

[sour frigate]

no

need 2

[quiet breach]

oh shit, so is it 2,4,6?

for the slots

[vague sail]

yea

[edgy widget]

with the exception of tier pieces, you can only get vault loot from bosses you've killed at least once on that difficulty (over the course of the season, not week to week)

so you cannot get M Slots in the vault from having killed only Vexie and Crucible

[dense fulcrum]

Thank god i got a 678 weapon from vault last week

[edgy widget]

if you're going for H Slots, it would actually be detrimental to get a M Vault, since that reduces your chances to 2 instead of 3

Though given that M dungeon weapons are better than H Slots, you'd be better off prioritizing filling 10s first

[quiet breach]

I am not following what ur saying here

[edgy widget]

this

[quiet breach]

if u kill cauldron and vexie on M doesn't that count for "over the course of the season"

[dense fulcrum]

Ye for now im using crafted 675 and the vault 678

[edgy widget]

Yes, but Slots doesn't drop from Cauldron or Vexie, it drops from Bandit

[dense fulcrum]

Gonna craft the wrists tonight

[quiet breach]

oh I mean slots as in slots in the vault not the BiS mace

[edgy widget]

gotcha

yes if all you want is a mythic piece in your raid track, then you need to kill 2 bosses

[dense fulcrum]

So basically till i get M Slot i can keep my M vault and crafted wep

[edgy widget]

unless you get another M vault weapon and want to recraft to double Duskweave, yeah

I imagine most everyone will take M Slots w/ their first dinar, whenever we get it, but that's gonna be at least 4 weeks from now

[fickle cedar]

i dont know if I should upgrade some pieces to 665, mostly cinderbrew neck and pace, got some left over gilded since i got weapon this week

[dense fulcrum]

Ye probably yes

[edgy widget]

so the general belief is that it's wasteful to upgrade Hero track gear beyond 658, since those upgrades would be "wasted" if you were to loot a mythic track piece in the same slot (because the mythic track pieces would start out at a higher item level)

[slim grotto]

is Big Red Button a meme trinket?

[edgy widget]

but that's predicated on whether or not you actually have the likelihood of looting any M track items aside from the weekly vault; if you're not a raider, that availability drops sharply

[fickle cedar]

yeah thats why i stopped those at 658, ill probably just keep em for now i suppose

[oblique trail]

Yes

[edgy widget]

so you kinda have to assess what you have now, and what you think you can reasonably get
then spend currency only on things you think you won't easily replace (e.g. trinkets are usually good to upgrade, though you can cheese it by getting low-value ones from Vexie or Torq just for the free upgrade levels)

it's also generally a good idea to hang onto a little bit of extra currency, just in case you get a windfall - for example, this week I saved 15 gilded just in case Stix wants to be nice and drop a weapon for me

or if you think there's a chance you'll get a vault item worth upgrading and want to craft something w/ 60 gilded next week, maybe save 30 crests this week (since you only get 90 next week)

[fickle cedar]

I mean for the neck I will probably never roll for it in mythic raid since the only one i can get rn is rik's (bad stats and all)

[edgy widget]

ultimately though, it's not something I'd agonize over; either way being +/- a couple upgrades till next week isn't gonna matter too much

[oblique trail]

Riks neck arguably isn't bad stats at all

[fickle cedar]

well i mean im probably not gonna steal it from another spec that has it as bis

[edgy widget]

as you get higher item level, Fury uses practically all stats

at this point, 667 ilvl, my best stats are like Haste/Vers

[sudden timber]

🥲 what is this game,, 2 weeks ago crafted 2h, last week got 2h in vault, now i got 2x2h in vault XD Next week 3x 2h in vault?

[dense fulcrum]

Double M weapons vault + crafted cloak and wrist are > M vault wep + crafted wrist and wep?

[edgy widget]

ok gimme one

[dense fulcrum]

Lets say I can’t drop capital punisher to M

I think still better to hold for the dinar to get M slot idk

[edgy widget]

M Slot is > M Punisher

though as Fury you ultimately want both, so it'll be a question of

• how many dinar do we get?
• how many items do you need to buy?
• how likely are you to loot any of them first?

[earnest shuttle]

so... increasing the ilvl makes it weaker, logic

[oblique trail]

Where do you see it being weaker

oh

[edgy widget]

he's talking about it going from +6.25% -> +6.24%

[earnest shuttle]

correct

[dense fulcrum]

Thing is…currently i have Crafted 675 ascension and Vault 678 weapons. I was thinking about crafting 675 wrist and wait till dinar, but let’s say im lucky and next week i drop another weapon from vault…in that case what’s the best decision? Ehh idk because in that case i could remove the crafted and use 2 vault M weapons and craft cloak and wrist , but that’s a long wait for sparsk anyway

[edgy widget]

and the answer is welcome to approximation and averaging

[fickle cedar]

increase to 1M iterations

[earnest shuttle]

it's weird, getting that trinket week 1 on 665 and now like 5-6 trinkets are better (mythic versions obviously)

[edgy widget]

see the latest in #updates-midnight if you haven't already

[celest sierra]

FOR KEYS

do we use overwelming enrage or powerful?

frienzed*

[sudden timber]

🤔 do I ditch my crafted weapon with embellishment and go for 2x m+ weapon already and in 2 weeks craft cloak? 😅 Just feels dirty

Alternative is socket I suppose xD

[fickle cedar]

currently its powerful, big packs and all

[celest sierra]

sweetness

[edgy widget]

doesn't hugely matter tbh, can vary with gear and other things, but I generally favor Frenzied in ST and Powerful in MT (unless I'm trying to game CDR on very specific raid fights like Brood, Rik, etc)

[celest sierra]

so rn my mastery is at 58% and haste is 27%

so im using powerful

[edgy widget]

the fact that you can't replace your embellishments right now means it would probably be a downgrade in the short term

although I guess you could craft one new spark item this week to mitigate the loss

[dense fulcrum]

Can u give me an opinion too on what i asked u above pls

[edgy widget]

I would say do whatever is best right now and don't worry too much about "what if" in the vault in future weeks

unless you're pretty certain the only thing you care about from here on out is a weapon from vault (meaning you already have everything else locked up pretty tight)

[dense fulcrum]

Ah no i still need 3 set pieces on myth etc

Trinkets too on myth eventually

[edgy widget]

well then yeah maybe you will get a weapon in vault next week
or maybe you'll get a M tier piece you need
or maybe you'll get a good trinket
or maybe you'll have absolutely jack all and just take a socket

there are so many what-ifs still remaining that I wouldn't agonize over it too much

[dense fulcrum]

I have only 3 heroic and 1 myth set

True

Guess i’ll craft the wrist and don’t think about it for now

[edgy widget]

worst case you can always recraft wrists to dusk later; it's not like the spark/crests are wasted

[dense fulcrum]

Ah i can? Didn’t know, its my first season

Thats sweet

[edgy widget]

Yeah, only the initial craft costs sparks/crests, recrafting to change stats or embellishment only requires (partial) profession materials

[dense fulcrum]

Awesome

[fickle cedar]

i expected the upgraded wrists to keep the socket

[heavy sparrow]

There's no way that's correct

How can mechanocore perform worse at a higher ilvl

[edgy widget]

so say you craft haste/mastery now, but later on wanna change that to haste/vers or something, it'll only cost you like 8 ingots (instead of the original 16) and a new missive - the spark and enchanted crest will be retained

[oblique trail]

It obviously wont perform worse at a higher ilvl

[edgy widget]

it doesn't, it's just iterative bias

[heavy sparrow]

Thought so

[dense fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/perfection-mwah-kiss-perfect-gif-6386642684072157494

[edgy widget]

• if you're upgrading within the same tier (from 658 -> 675), they do
• if you're upgrading from one season to the next (from spark of omens - > spark of fortunes), they do not

[heavy sparrow]

The only way i could see a trinket being worse at higher ilvl is if there is some kind of drawback, like ritual knife stat decrease

And the stat decrease scales higher than the increase with ilvl

Which it didn't for ritual knife i think

[sudden timber]

Yeah I could recraft my wrists to the other embellished already and then indeed in 2 weeks get cloak. XD I just don't have other good vault option cuz it's a sigil trinket which from sims looks dog in all scenarios.. so may aswell pick 2nd weap even if not use it

[edgy widget]

sigil is poor, yeah

don't forget you can always take a socket too

[fickle cedar]

yeah just unfortunate, no 4 gems now damn circlet

[edgy widget]

even if you can't use it right away (though putting it on crafted wrist is generally a good option, since you're unlikely to replace that piece), you might get a M hat or something later

[sudden timber]

Yea but socket will also be there in future vaults. If it's completely useless. The 2nd weapon may have use and may never show again

[edgy widget]

you can sim socket from vault btw, just click the little + sign on a piece of gear in raidbots and click "add socket (GV)"

[sudden timber]

Ahhh alright will try that too

[edgy widget]

maybe your future vaults will be even better!

just gotta weigh the options and decide; end of the day it's not gonna make or break anything

[gray fossil]

Guys, is mechano still BIS or no?

[edgy widget]

#updates-midnight

[sudden timber]

🤔 trueee but eventually they it's gonna get harder and get every week

[gray fossil]

ye, saww that

[edgy widget]

I feel like it answers the question pretty plainly, lol

[glad plover]

What would you pick here, Eye is small dps increase, Shoulder with catalyst is better but I guess Eye is way to go?

[fickle cedar]

honestly one less trinket to chase, reminds me of s1 dagger, rocked that for a while

[gray fossil]

Fair enough 🙂

[edgy widget]

Eye is good if you primarily raid, not so good for M+

catalyst shoulders isn't a bad choice

[tepid cedar]

lol im glad i didnt trash mister lock and stalk lololol

[edgy widget]

I got a heroic one today 😄

[tepid cedar]

soa rchi

archi

[edgy widget]

Honestly not super impressed with it, 665 is only ~2% of my dam
it's mainly just the haste

[edgy widget]

soa poc

apoc

[tepid cedar]

would we ever use the aoe version

[edgy widget]

I don't think so, no

[tepid cedar]

of the buff or jsut roll full st

kk

[edgy widget]

I've not been able to get it to sim well in any multitarget setting

• in M+, I would just swap to Mechano, Pacemaker, or whatever else, even at a small ilvl drop
• in raid, I don't think any of the multitarget is heavy enough to warrant it in the first place; would just stick with the ST hit

[tepid cedar]

i did some sims, even in M+ is not a bad trinket

[edgy widget]

it's not bad, it's just not particularly impressive either

[rose rain]

My vault choices are myth Viscera or champion gally ring. Both sim as big upgrades with Viscera pilling ahead maxed ofc. Current trinkets are champion eye and hero mechano….

[latent hedge]

gally ring

[fickle cedar]

viscera is really good st but mediocre aoe

[rose rain]

I do Both raid and mythic but i guess raid bigger focus

[twin glacier]

any advice on vault?
mythic tier hands, mythic tier pants with avoidance, mythic weapon (heavy haste/mastery) avoidance.

Simcraft tells me to pick gloves or pants.
Currently have crafted weapon and heroic bis. will this bite me in the ass? 😦

[fickle cedar]

pants probably, big stats

[tepid cedar]

1t 3 min and 5t 2min actualy yea M+ stil ebtter off runing mechano. if st was alot higher cool, but dosnt jsutify over 140k in aoe

[edgy widget]

idk your prog, but all else being equal, raid pants are harder to get than gloves

[twin glacier]

sitting on stix

[fickle cedar]

just dropped from delve map, did it get nerfed already ?

[edgy widget]

not to my knowledge (though I haven't looked very hard)

[fickle cedar]

havent simmed yet but it seems buried deep down on bloodmallet

[pallid cipher]

how far behind is fury compared to arms in raids and m+?

[edgy widget]

• gloves come from Crucible or Stix
• pants come from Stix or Mugz
  so again, all else being equal, I would pick Pants before Gloves (it's also a higher budgeted piece, so you get more raw stats)

[pallid cipher]

I'm vibeing more with fury than arms

[edgy widget]

they're extremely close in all aspects right now

[pallid cipher]

awesome ty

[edgy widget]

this is prob the best balanced they've been in raid in a long time

[twin glacier]

what about the weapon, it feels bad not to pick it.
I am playin arms and fury. more arms in m+.
It says the weapon is a downgrade, yet ive simmed it with no embelishments (linings)

[edgy widget]

in M+... it's a little more varied since Arms is better on trash and Fury is better on bosses, but they're still both pretty similar (in that they're both miles behind meta specs )

[twin glacier]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eiWrVMfhRiAVnZ2ncFe4hw

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ib4FaXphwpkw3F52L3SVMc

[edgy widget]

make sure to change your wrist embellishment when you sim weapon change

click the lil + sign on the wrists in top gear

[twin glacier]

i did

didnt i?

[edgy widget]

idk

I'm not doing your homework for you!

[twin glacier]

haha

[edgy widget]

also to be fair, you're simming 678 gloves, which means you're getting them out of the vault and fully upgrading them

[twin glacier]

yea, i am upgrading it right away

[edgy widget]

which begs the question, what else would you do with those 60 crests if you took weapon (which upgrades for free +15) instead?

[twin glacier]

nothing prolly cuz i have no mythic pieces

😦

[edgy widget]

well idk your likelihood of getting loot, but you could stockpile them for future upgrades
worse case you could spend them on Heroic upgrades (though I personally don't like to do this unless you're really certain you won't replace the item easily)

I think if you're sitting Stix though, picking legs is probably going to be a good all around option

[edgy widget]

forgot to send, but that gap on the 5t sim looks bigger than I'd expect - did you override to run the Lock-N-Stalk in ST mode or let it run regularly?

[twin glacier]

thank you, ill pick legs

[edgy widget]

also something to bear in mind - while it's great to try to run mass combinations in order to min/max whatever option you wanna pick

I find things like regemming and reenchanting clutters the hell out of whatever I'm trying to figure out, without actually impacting the choice all that much

[tepid cedar]

let it run normally. couldent fiigure out how to make it run in aoe mode

[edgy widget]

so running normally it should automatically swap based on the # of targets in the sim

idk maybe the numbers are inflated because it's a 2min sim, just looked like a bigger diff than I expected (though I don't think Mister Lock is super good in MT regardless)

[tepid cedar]

yea

[edgy widget]

but yeah I personally just swap back to my mechano-core for M+

[tepid cedar]

so this was roughly 2 min on dummies usinging thane. about 5.35m dp/s

jsut like u said. 2.6%

[edgy widget]

also make sure you don't have any macros using trinkets automatically, because I definitely almost raided with it in AoE mode

unlike slots, there's no overt animation or cast bar when you swap its mode

[tepid cedar]

really not bad though, 18 mill in 2 min

[edgy widget]

yeah it's not bad; most of the gain is from the stats

in high gear, fury really starts liking haste more and more

[tepid cedar]

yea. i been noticing thatt ont he climb

[slim coral]

Fury with full expediant 3

bring it back

[tepid cedar]

jsut timed a 14 motherload with the embelished wrist. finished with 4. sumtin overall

[edgy widget]

solid

[tepid cedar]

was blasting bosses too, and it was very noticeable when haste kicked in

[molten wing]

around 3 to 4 years max for BFA Classic

[tepid cedar]

like VERY noticeable

[slim coral]

I meran they are already bringing back corruptions in 11.1.5

just throw in expediant

[tepid cedar]

first second and third boss

[young swan]

if u played fury with expedient u had brain damage

[slim coral]

well I was new that tier bucko

also I played gushing wound I think

[young swan]

(i played fury with expedient)

[slim coral]

after I found a guide

I played both!

had to remake my character

kekw

[young swan]

pretty sure fury played crit + crit dam (at least for m+(only content u ever played fury))

[molten wing]

yeap

[edgy widget]

ok now run it back with a hunter, ret, and Colossus tank

[slim coral]

was it not gushing wound?

[young swan]

gusher was pure ST

[slim coral]

ah ok ok

[tepid cedar]

lol

[slim coral]

I do remember doing exp 3 on arms

that shit was lit

[molten wing]

Arms was doing the expedient thing with Lucid where you had around what 80 to 90% haste

[tepid cedar]

the ret ST buff was pretty hefty

[edgy widget]

yep, and ToM

[young swan]

100%+ was not uncommon

[molten wing]

and in execute all you did was spam execute and Deep Wounds

[slim coral]

yes this is it!

[molten wing]

was going brrr

[edgy widget]

casual 4% ST damage buff 💤
because ret isn't allowed to ever be bad at anything

[slim coral]

god that shit was fast asf

did they cap haste back then?

or are DR's after bfa

[young swan]

s4 arms did irreparable damage to arms

[tepid cedar]

def didnt feel like 4% on the TOP i did lol

[slim coral]

[young swan]

they started stat dr's as a direct result of s4 bfa

[edgy widget]

honestly I wouldn't have minded if they buffed one of its ST options that competed with AoE
but they buffed a talent they literally always take in all content, so it's just a straight buff everywhere

[slim coral]

that makes sense

no wonder I can't go that fast no more 😦

[edgy widget]

like ok, Ret was kinda falling behind in raid, buff it by 4% sure
but they're absolutely gigachadding in M+ already, where's the same love for Colossus?!

[remote bobcat]

wait rly i took mechano core from vault jsut to now be told its actually not that good

[slim coral]

lol

[tepid cedar]

its still good

[molten wing]

still decent just not a must have i guess

[remote bobcat]

i had eye of kezan hc and mechano core hc in vault

[edgy widget]

it's still like top 5 in both ST and MT, which is very respectable for a max heroic ilevel trinket

[remote bobcat]

among myth pieces

[tepid cedar]

an no need to swap back and forth lol

[molten wing]

why would you ever not take eye of kezan for mechano core

[fluid kite]

[edgy widget]

btw speaking of haste @tepid cedar look at Versatility go!

[remote bobcat]

eye of kezan hc is worse than mechano core

or at least it was

guess is different now

[stiff barn]

Do you have bis ?

[tepid cedar]

wtf

lol

[edgy widget]

that's just adding X amount of stats in sequence to project long-term scaling

in this case +400, up to 10 times (+4k total)

[stiff barn]

In my Sims passive trinkets go up in value with the bis mace.

[molten wing]

i wonder will Vers STONKS rise when the 11.1.5 Corruption Enchants come into play

[edgy widget]

but yeah not surprising, cause Mastery is DR'ing out, crit is just meh for Fury in general, and Haste is good but also pushing past the first point of DR

[tepid cedar]

thats why i chose to lower my mastery some!!!!! i wasnt seeing alot of gains from it

[red berry]

what i miss is crit/crit damage stacking.

[edgy widget]

maybe, haven't been able to look into them much yet (and blizz is still deciding if they'll be actual enchants or somethin else), so idk how good they'll be or which one we'll want yet

[molten wing]

yeah they wanted them to be weapon enchants but they decided we are scrapping the weapon idea , but never said where they are actually going , right ?

[edgy widget]

Arms, more so Colossus has been doing that, which I think is more thematic than for Fury

[edgy widget]

well they didn't say for certain they're scrapping weapon enchants, but I suspect they will (since it kinda screws over DKs)

[red berry]

maybe. i'm no sure about thematic-- i know it felt very good for the kit. along with cold steel hot blood being stronger with the azerite stacking

in terms of fun, i think it felt very good

[edgy widget]

I 100% think that big hits, big crits is more thematic to Arms than Fury

[rose rain]

I Asked before but had 2 opposite answers. Have gally champion ring or myth Viscera trinket as choices. Both are big upgrades when simmed but Viscera is bigger upgraded. Current trinkets champion eye and hero mechano. For raid what would be preffered? I am barely 1/8 hc and wont progress fast.

[red berry]

i will agree that its absolutely by design baked into arms

no denying that

[edgy widget]

I do think Fury could afford a little extra crit weight, but I wouldn't want it to be the prime stat anyway, so I don't mind so much

[tepid cedar]

gally ring wil help u in every content. flat out dps increase

[edgy widget]

and tbf, it's not like crit is bad for Fury anyway, it's barely behind the other stats

[young swan]

strength down bad

once again

[red berry]

it definitely gained a lot of value for me

[oblique trail]

attt moment

[edgy widget]

perpetual warrior issue

[red berry]

at 665 itemlevel

but,

so did haste

[young swan]

cant they just like

fix it

so we care about mainstat

i think that would be cool

[edgy widget]

eh, main stat doesn't really compete against secondaries so I don't know how much it matters tbh

you kinda just get it passively through ilvl, which is something you generally want more of anyway

[tepid cedar]

know what else would be coul. give us mufukin 8 target cap

[red berry]

would you advocate for an AoE/buffs to our CDs, archi?

[edgy widget]

the only real detriment in DF was Aug Ebon Might values, but that hardly matters anymore

[silk wharf]

Listen. Weapons can only hit 5 things before they become totally ineffective. (sarcasm)

[edgy widget]

idk, there's a lot of ways to take it
personally yes, I would like Fury to have more oompfh in its AoE cooldowns, similar to DF/S1 TWW

and I do think it's weird that Arms is the trash spec and Fury is the boss spec in M+
but then Fury is also the add spec in raid, so it's all very muddled

[clever belfry]

worst buff target moment

[clever belfry]

motion values bad due to titans grip
will smf save us?????

[edgy widget]

realistically, I think Thane could use a moderate boost to Thunder Clap/Blast to help its sustained MT
and I don't think Bladestorm needs a buff, but I would like to see OF make a return at least for Slayer builds

[red berry]

ill agree with that

[silk wharf]

OF turns Bladestorm into fire damage.

[edgy widget]

I don't really mind if Fury is the sustained damage spec or the burst aoe spec, but it can't be both

[clever belfry]

OF could easily be brought to atleast start of s1 levels since it got axed from torment

[tepid cedar]

bring back the broken ass annihilator build going into df s2 they nerfed cause we were wrecking everything in ptr lolol

[red berry]

i think clap being buffed to 8 targets along with another buff would help -- and ground current. it is just lightning strike, but we do get it every time we press thunder blast

it tickles

[calm mantle]

Well I was farming floodgate for my trinket + the 4 mythic weekly quest and got kezan from quest instead. Goodbye floodgate.

[red berry]

id also love bladestorm to be buffed

[edgy widget]

OF actually got buffed, but the real issue is that its competition got buffed much more
and Fury simply doesn't have a whole lot of talent points to go around

[halcyon python]

Yo guys, why every site says eye of kezan is bis but then it seems meh

[red berry]

it got buffed 15% - right? and then nerfed 5% with the aura nerf

[clever belfry]

and its still sqrt 5

[edgy widget]

because most sites are written from a raiding perspective, which Kezan is designed for; the longer the fight, the better

yeah there's absolutely no reason OF should be softcapped at 5 targets instead of 8

[halcyon python]

Which is fine, but even simming it on 7 minutes is barely an upgrade to a champion house of cards (paired with hero pacemaker)

[calm mantle]

Blood mallet still has Kezan at top trinket for AOE as wel, is Seaforium still better?

[tepid cedar]

same concept. longer the fight more aoe dmg ur doing

[calm mantle]

So kezan for higher keys, Pacemaker for lower?

[edgy widget]

there's no downtime in a 5m sim, there is downtime in a 20m dungeon
these are guidelines but you gotta apply a little bit of critical thinking

[tepid cedar]

now if the fight lasst 3 minutes. kezan is dogwater

[young swan]

unless if u can chain pull the entire dungeon i dont think id ever recommend kezan

for dungeons

[edgy widget]

honestly its not bad even if you just kinda yolo it with a decently competent group

but definitely beaten out by stuff like seaforium

[red berry]

i loved it when we were chainpulling in motherlode

it only fell off once if i wasn't dying

i had a run where its uptime was very generous

re: odyns fury. them removing titan's torment the way they did and keeping it as weak as they did. still at 5 targets baffles me

[edgy widget]

new titans torment is awful

[red berry]

yes it sucks so much

i abhor it

and i do mourn what we lost

lmao

[clever belfry]

i forgor what it does

is it the bt cdr

[edgy widget]

it's a fun idea, that just does not do much of anything worthwhile

[red berry]

bloodthrst faster rampage 60 rage

[clever belfry]

ah so dog cause bt and ramp are fueled by RB

[red berry]

it would have to empower them in a certain way. like, maybe making them cleave for 100% damage in that window

[midnight obsidian]

on my alt hunter 😦

[edgy widget]

BT CDR during Reck (which is potentially good, but not as good as just a longer Reck)
Reduced Rampage cost during Reck (which doesn't do anything)

[clever belfry]

rb very powerful button

[red berry]

which would certainly make it a very strong choice in five targets

[edgy widget]

addressing RB influence on the rotation would honestly fix like 90% of Fury's problems for me

[clever belfry]

Yeah if AM was still flat cdr on ramp cast itd do something atleast

[iron portal]

We live in RB world

[clever belfry]

but obv its /20rage so

[tepid cedar]

what do u mean

[clever belfry]

me pressing my silly RBs at 130 rage

where is the problem officer

[edgy widget]

RB is heavily weighted by a variety of talents, to the point where it is the singular most important button in the rotation

[iron portal]

there are two types of people. Those who press RB and those who will press RB

[clever belfry]

and those who know

[edgy widget]

it devalues BT, it devalues Execute, it devalues Odyn's Fury & Onslaught, it even devalues Rampage (though compensated for via Slaughtering Strikes)

[iron portal]

and those who are bad at math

[red berry]

the only way i think that they could maintain it while awarding the current playstyle to mimick monk

just award you for pressing a combination of buttons

[tepid cedar]

onslaught was also a fun season as well. recklesness for dayssss

[red berry]

they could just gut it but that's the design right now

[clever belfry]

i think that's kinda what was attempted across bloodcraze and slaughtering

Cause it encourages you to press several diff buttons
but too much power lies in RB

[edgy widget]

like the whole reason baseline Execute sucks for Fury is because it has 3 main talents buffing it
while Raging Blow has eight

[iron portal]

has 3

still wet noodle 90% of the time

[edgy widget]

well its 3 aren't huge buffs either - Imp Execute simply makes it work, Sudden Death just makes it usable more often (and we barely care about using it in the first place), so Ashen Jugg is the only one that actually adds any real value

[tepid cedar]

lol hitting execute in the execute phase and seeing 900k...... i legit want to throw computer monitor agasint the wall lolol

[clever belfry]

Hey per cast on logs thinking about nothing else exe is usually my highest dmg ability

good thing that metric is entirely useless

[edgy widget]

It does prove a point though - Execute's damage isn't actually that bad, but all it does is damage
meanwhile Raging Blow does half a dozen different things every time you press it

[iron portal]

BT is better execute than Execute

Silly isnt it

[radiant plank]

when will execute grant ss stacks

[edgy widget]

I'm not saying Execute couldn't use a buff, mind you, I'm just saying that if Raging Blow wasn't so oppressive, to the point where we want to fill just about every GCD with it, there would be a whole lot more room to actually use Execute

the same thing applies to Bloodthirst, and even to OF/Ons

[clever belfry]

make ramp fuck good baseline maybe :3

[radiant plank]

Cant have shit be good baseline with these failed disaster of classic wow player bait talent trees

Failed experiment, time to go back

[tepid cedar]

shit bring back deathwish

[clever belfry]

avatar does the same without the drawback

and Avatar already boring

[radiant plank]

Avatar the type of CD they give classes in vanilla with 20min CD

[late night]

hello guys what trinket is bis for fury? atm

[clever belfry]

nah DW was 3min, reck was 30

but was also 100% crit for 15s

[radiant plank]

still dogshit

[clever belfry]

Reck fuck good in classique

[radiant plank]

yep

[fathom wolf]

Bring back seigebreaker and skull banner.

[clever belfry]

Siegebreaker

[radiant plank]

Avatar in general tho such a bland cd

[edgy widget]

the most obvious solutions

• heavily nerf Slaughtering Strikes - reduce it to ~5% and give Rampage a +10% buff would probably be fine
• extend Slaughtering Strikes to more abilities - most straight forward would just be making BT, RB, and Execute all trigger it and tune appropriately
• nerf Hack & Slash - RB can be a strong prio button if it's also not available nearly every GCD

[clever belfry]

are u dense

[radiant plank]

remove avatar from arms and fury

[radiant plank]

My fav solution would be a combination of 1 and 2

[clever belfry]

Siegebreaker (the last iteration we had of it) is just worse legion dragons roar

[fathom wolf]

The one I remember was just CS for fury.

[clever belfry]

the bfa one? Yeah that sucked

[edgy widget]

that's basically the same as Legion Dragon Roar

[clever belfry]

But legion DR didn't eat a ww charge and wasnt target capped

so just better in every way

[edgy widget]

eh, that wasn't siegebreaker's problem though

[fathom wolf]

Maybe I just have ptsd from tww s1 and feeling like I dont do anything until the CD macro pops back up.

[iron portal]

Did we even play DR in legion? Im sure that last season it wasnt picked

[clever belfry]

U played it in EN only

[edgy widget]

a few times, but not much no

[edgy widget]

legion talent trees had a ton of issues

[clever belfry]

anf u could do in high target aoe funnies

[ornate gust]

Seems mythic chest 😄

[edgy widget]

legion class design had a ton of issues, but it was still a good expansion overall

[iron portal]

double time, stormbolt or shockwave talent tier was very fun

[edgy widget]

oh it had a lot of positive moments for sure

[radiant plank]

Legion class design ton of issues but it was still better for warriors than anything after it

[iron portal]

I was sarcastic

😄

[edgy widget]

I don't agree with that

[radiant plank]

I am trying to get takes cuz I didnt play before sl s4

Some more perspectives

[iron portal]

I think i picked bladestorm for one fight in Nighthold

[unreal onyx]

thinking

[iron portal]

otherwise we were kinda locked into talents for most of expac

[edgy widget]

yeah you practically never played Bladestorm because you couldn't stay enraged through it and it took buff time away from OF

[clever belfry]

and that was a mistake i assure u

[iron portal]

Dont have to

[clever belfry]

BS was utter ass in legion

[iron portal]

I am sure myself

[edgy widget]

iirc there was a parsing strat w/ Bladestorm on Skorpyon
but that's about it

[clever belfry]

it wasnt great in BFA either tbf.

i played it a bit in some keys on bursting (PUSH WEEK)

so i wouldnt grief bursting timers

but thats about it

[tepid cedar]

lol wasnt it shadowlands where we would pop BS and insatantly cancel it in ST jsut to get the buff lolol

[iron portal]

Yes

[edgy widget]

that was a Signet issue more than a Bladestorm one

[oblique trail]

In SL on ST it was just a rage generator

[edgy widget]

Signet randomly triggering either Ava or BS was the problem

[red berry]

i really miss harrowing bonegrinder but that's been talked about a lot here

[timid cosmos]

Is there way to sim Mister Lock-N-Stalk mass destruction version from vault ?

[edgy widget]

they tried to make it good for ST and AoE, but just made it random af in both

[oblique trail]

2+ targets and it turns into AoE

[edgy widget]

do a multitarget sim, but it's kinda mid on MT

anyway its late af, I'm going bedge

[clever belfry]

@oblique trail meow

[oblique trail]

meowdy

[vague sail]

night @edgy widget

[iron portal]

Night night

[red berry]

sleep well!

[iron portal]

Imagine going to bed at this hour

[red berry]

😭

[rotund ginkgo]

WHY DOES MY SHAMAN ALT ALWAYS GET BIS WARRIOR ITEMS

BUT MY WARRIOR VAULT IS A HELMET

MY SHAMAN ALT HAS EXISTED FOR LESS THAN A DAY

[livid carbon]

so is this right, in execute phase, i prioritize bt w/ 2stack vc, of course rampage, and rb when bt is on cd, and execute filler, and or when execute weakaura procs?

[sour frigate]

same shit lol

funhouse hero + drink

[vague sail]

just mail it to ya warrior init

[bitter palm]

not warrior bis chatting

[rotund ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/plankton-india-sing-my-life-my-attitude-gif-5617101001886047026

u rn

[vague sail]

true

[warm crag]

Its not bis explode

[surreal musk]

Should I really trust the sim then- fix is definitely live? Seems weird that it still sims higher then Kezan

[last sparrow]

raidbots seems to think the cloak is the biggest upgrade

[wise canyon]

The title gives + infinite dps

[sharp belfry]

Is Noggenfoggers actually good per bloodmallet it seems bad but its simming really high for me

[last sparrow]

not taking myth pacemaker feels very wrong

[tidal kindle]

Can get another cape

Won't get another pacemaker

Can craft a cape

Can't craft trinket

[tidal kindle]

The buddy it spawns can die

[last sparrow]

yeah that is very true, i simmed that cloak with crafted boots vs crafted cloak and pacemaker cloak still wins by like 7k lmao

[sharp belfry]

so what ur saying is its baity lol how often does it die i've also seen it doesnt contributeto your own dmg on warcraft logs as well

[sour frigate]

i mean the buddy does x2 damage of flat proc damage trinkets

and its 645

[fading sky]

it is 100% t he BIGGEST sim trap ever

[fading sky]

but has less than half the stat

[tardy wolf]

if you get any answer, i'm curious too pls

[sour frigate]

relatable

[vivid egret]

so i have a myth pacemaker, assuming im never getting raid items what should i run from dungeons/delves?

[sour frigate]

pacemaker looks big for m+

got it on my monk too

[iron portal]

I call it skill issue

Just tell your healer to prio it

[oak bloom]

why didnt you just loot it from your first delvers bounty?

[sour frigate]

its not highly likely

sometimes happes

[tepid cedar]

whew, nnow to start the next set

[rotund ginkgo]

Me if I were good

Or didn't have a weak mental

[sour frigate]

^

[rotund ginkgo]

Full 13s and I cba even looking at m+

[rotund ginkgo]

True mb

[sour frigate]

4 13s rest 12s not getting invited

[lapis eagle]

cinder 13 is my curse

[hardy vault]

Hey ! Should i pick House of cards HM or BIS HM in vault ?

[vague sail]

depends what you have

[haughty quest]

So raid single target bis is now kezan + lock n stock?

[mossy nimbus]

The dot of the gallywix weapon is kinda useless, right? Or is it supposed to do more dmg than 0,1-0,5% overall?

[unkempt locust]

anyone know how noggenfogger shows up on details? sims say it should be about 6% but details is sayin 1.5%

[sudden tusk]

its bugged

in sims

[unkempt locust]

kk im not crazy.

[bitter palm]

noggenfrogger utimate deluxe

on raidbots

[errant birch]

Hey there. I'm looking for help. What should I Take?
Currently have hero Improvised Seaforium Pacemaker and shitty one from delve.

[iron portal]

Eye prob

[mossy nimbus]

I guess it depends on your focus. If you mainly play raid, i would pick Eye of Kezan. If your focus is M+ i'd take House of Cards. If it's both it's Eye of Kezan i guess

[iron portal]

you can sim it but those trinkets are pretty close

[chrome plover]

sometimes it doesnt get attributed to you

you can see the full damage on logs

like here for example, only 10m out of 28m was actually attributed to my character

[tidal kindle]

Bro havoc cranks wth is this

Almost 4m overall in a cinder...

[opal monolith]

is 2.4m overall fine for a theater?

[radiant plank]

uhh

no

[chrome plover]

garmdh is insane

[opal monolith]

?

[radiant plank]

?

you were the one who asked

and I just compared your overall to my average top overall of around 2.9m in 10's

so yours is bad