fury

[oblique trail]

You still prioritise Ramp above BT if you're above 100 rage technically

[thorny pagoda]

cool, ty

[worthy arrow]

Hello Furys! 🙂 I hope you’re all doing well! I have a question that’s been on my mind: Does it make more sense to sim M+ Mountain Thane on Patchwerk or Dungeon Slice? I’ve run a lot of sims, and the differences can be quite significant. I apologize if this question seems a bit silly. Thank you in advance for your answers! Greetings Lisa 🙂

[oblique trail]

Generally speaking you can do multiple types of sims and cross reference between them, however personally speaking I'd just use patchwerk 5 min 1 target sims and go from that. Whatever is the best in an ST scenario very often translates well into AoE as well

Only exception of course is trinkets

[worthy arrow]

Perfect thank you very much. ☺️

[celest sierra]

wait till u apply to 12s+ lmao

game wont even let u

[calm mantle]

Is it better to ST or Cleave for Carnage on mythic?

[quiet geyser]

there's top logs for both

do either

[quiet breach]

it feels like my abilities dont go out when they are supposed to on gcd

like theres some type of latency

idk wtf is going on but something feels wrong

[summer crater]

I've had that since DF

InputLagFix addon helped a little

[quiet breach]

yep ok so

i just went to training dummy

there is 1000000% lag

im staring at my bars while casting abilities

[winter shoal]

If you're hitting dummies in dornogal, don't

Go to silvermoon or ironforge

Or shrine of the seven stars

[quiet breach]

ok well i feel the lag when im in raid im just not staring at my bars thinking about checking for the lag

[winter shoal]

What's your spell queue window

[quiet breach]

im gonna do an lfr and just focus on trying to see the lag

[quiet breach]

200

i only started noticing this lag affter i changed it to 200 btw

before it was on whatever the default was

400

so now its lower yet it feels laggier

[silk wharf]

Its laggy in Dorn most of the time

[quiet breach]

makes no sense

[quiet breach]

can i go here as horde

[winter shoal]

There's a horde one and an alliance one

Idr which is which but they're both in the vale of eternal blossoms in pandaria

[quiet breach]

if i turn down my settings to 1 will it help or hurt the issue?

or have no effect

the probelm is not fps but the game registering my abilities being presseed

[winter shoal]

Probably no effect but I have no idea what your issue actually is

[quiet breach]

ok im doing an LFR with zero lag

pog?

lets see if that continues when i get to boss

[fair swallow]

general question can you have 2 crafted weapons

[summer quail]

Yes but doing so is very wasteful

[fair swallow]

wasteful?

[quiet breach]

Ok so i did lfr stix with basically 0 lag

hmm

[summer quail]

Yeah with 1 weapon you can upgrade offhand for valor only

[brittle snow]

So when did they get rid of siegbreaker for fury?

[winter shoal]

DF beta I think

It became onslaught afaik

[cedar geyser]

Is Mister Lock-N-Stalk supposed to just stay in precision mode forever?

[winter shoal]

From what Silm was saying, ass destruction is pitiful damage and if you're playing fury in aoe then your job is to do prio damage anyways

So yes

[cedar geyser]

sweet

[modest condor]

more like you shouldnt run the trinket in aoe, but if you are running it then yeah just keep it in st mode

[cedar geyser]

😦 it's the best i got

[velvet obsidian]

We had onslaught in BfA and SL (it sucked then too), when they swapped from talent rows to talent trees Fury dropped siegebreaker entirely. I didn't play DF but I am pretty positive that's when we lost it.

[dense badge]

I heard the Noggenfogger trinket is insane after buffs, anyone tested it on fury?

idk if the raidbots sim is updated for the buff, sims worse for me so im just curious if anyone has tried it

[winter shoal]

Raidbots is updated if you're using latest, and it's good on single target (assuming the guy lives) but bad in aoe

[silk wharf]

I havent had a chance to actually use it in raid but it sims well.

[queen panther]

What a sad day... Had Heroic B.I.S. drop, rolled a 94 for it... Had a balance druid with 675 weapon swipe it 😭

[pearl sequoia]

Gotta get that transmog yk

[thick fossil]

Gotta love the boomkins stealing our weapons.

[queen panther]

Stupid crit chickens

This is why they stay at the bottom where they belong.

[quiet breach]

why did i just get tank bracers when my loot spec is arms?

got anodized defflectors in m+ mechagon

is it cuz i rolled on a shield in norm undermine?

https://www.wowhead.com/item=168978/anodized-deflectors

[thick fossil]

Plate bracers are prolly not set as Prot only, even though they have a on use that only Prot would want.

[kind mantle]

Is there any world you'd even want that? Pretty much every guide I've seen recommends wrists as one of the crafts

[azure tulip]

B-I-S reminds me of the hell went through trying to get jaithys, almost never dropped and then always got swiped in groups

[timber hare]

Am i doing a rotational error having raging blow doing top damage?

[fair swallow]

yes, you should be rampaging as soon as you reach 100+ fury

rampage should be your top damage with raging blow coming second

[timber hare]

gotcha

my lil monkey brain saw it buffs everything so just kept spamming it

[fair swallow]

yeah i can understand that pitfall

the idea is you want to get in as many of the raging blow buffs in before you hit 100 rage

[timber hare]

guess that means im overcapping rage like crazy

[fair swallow]

with bloodthirst mostly being used as filler or extending enrage a little bit

[woven heath]

Long as you're not having to resort to filling with slam/ww.

[fair swallow]

more than likely lol, and since we're using anger mangement now you're gimping yourself with less uses of bladestorm/ravager and reck

[slim coral]

[woven heath]

gz

[fair swallow]

gz

[timber hare]

yeah gotcha lmao, well thanks. I know what i gotta look for now

[fair swallow]

no problem

[tidal kindle]

@young swan @half tide fuck you both

[half tide]

hey bro

im just simply asking

for one tracker

[tidal kindle]

Xan said the same thing

Loot fed piggies making fun of me not having BiS

[half tide]

have you tried simply having

the weapon?

[tidal kindle]

https://tenor.com/b0iXo.gif

[half tide]

game isnt hard bro

[thick fossil]

No no no, I'm with Garms on this one. Fuck ya both.

[half tide]

well garm is a hoe

[young swan]

i just yoinked from revvez

works like a charm

[half tide]

im still just calling garm a hoe

@tidal kindle hoe

[young swan]

i got it from the vault

loot fed btw

split doer btw

[tidal kindle]

We saw 1 zenith token in 5 runs

[half tide]

skill issued

[young swan]

i got 4pc this week

[slim coral]

I can link you one if you want

[half tide]

i got it, thank you though 🫡

[young swan]

gram ui so goated omg

[tidal kindle]

[sullen dove]

luh cinderbrew

and got 1 of 2 neck drops

[outer umbra]

human or void elf

no context

[sullen dove]

human

[outer umbra]

bet

[red berry]

i have such low crit

or id play more arms

[half tide]

its velf

shush

[outer umbra]

thanks babe

[slim coral]

W

[tidal kindle]

Waiting on walhe feedback

Also what prompted this

[young swan]

general gram ui discussion

[tidal kindle]

O

[earnest canyon]

I hate ur ui I prefer default blizz ui

[calm mantle]

What kind of over all dps are some of you pullnig in cinderbreww? I feel like my dps in cinderbrew kinda sucks even on higher keys

As fury of course.

[young swan]

if i slip below 3m something went horribly wrong in the key

[hushed ocean]

same overall as others dungeon. we're capped

you have no right to happiness

[tidal kindle]

Whatever works best for you o7

[earnest canyon]

I am joking ofc. I always respect people that take the time to make a UI and give to the community 🫡

[reef plinth]

wich one is better

[slim coral]

noggen

and its not even close

[smoky vale]

hi

[reef plinth]

ok and between this fang and the amorphous

[smoky vale]

hey have you heard of raidbots.com

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-raidbots-and-run-character-simulations-6050

[reef plinth]

yes but im new to the game and i wanted to know why. Since i saw that mastery and haste are the best stats for fury

i tought that amorph thing was good

[smoky vale]

no think robot only

complicating life for nothing

[warm crag]

Trinkets are defined by their effects not their stats usually

[wheat oyster]

Thumb nail got me slobbering like a bulldog walking past a butcher

[raven shell]

we probably never take single minded fury right?

[chrome summit]

Isnt arms better then Fury already in mplus etc but they get buffed now? Or did i miss something

[smoky vale]

you can if you want to

[warm crag]

You need to if you are using two 1-handers but you should set your lootspec to arms and just use 2hs instead

[warm crag]

Arms is not getting buffed unless i missed Patch notes from up to 3 minutes ago

[raven shell]

ofc. but in general 2x 2h gives better results then 2x1h, correct?

[smoky vale]

yeah

but if you like the look

who cares

[chrome summit]

Ah scrolled too far was PvP xD was wondering

[wise canyon]

Hold up why are all these weird trinkets so good rn

Is it actually due to that tuning

[oblique trail]

What else would it be

[wise canyon]

Fraud

[lucid thorn]

why use lot word when little word do trick

zug zug

[earnest canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/manflesh-man-flesh-from-the-sky-manflesh-from-the-sky-explodingsunset-gif-13684049552236566932

[clever belfry]

@oblique trail cat girl raider son

[oblique trail]

meow

[thick fossil]

Foxes are better

[warm crag]

Yes

[visual salmon]

Heyho 🙂 someone knows the webpage noxxic.com? Is it good for comparing and these things? Have someone references?

[oblique trail]

Don't ever use Noxxic

But depending on what you mean by comparing, if you mean raid fights then use warcraftlogs, as for M+ it's a bit more fickle where I'd generally recommend finding PoVs of people doing dungeons and see what they do

[visual salmon]

Just need it to make decisions how frost mage performs after the update and should i play frost or fire or switch back to my lovefully warri/warlock i dont know what should i do but then i dont ever use noxxic

Thx

Thought its a good side

Thx for protecting me to use some dollars

[oblique trail]

Huh?

No way Noxxic asks you to use money to use it

[clever belfry]

noxxic+

they lock their m+ talents behind it now

[oblique trail]

I hope the site explodes

Garbage site

[low folio]

noxxic is probably on its last legs if its locking talents behind a paywall

[clever belfry]

but straight up, noxxic just uses LLM to regurgitate other guides nowadays, missing key points and just being worse

[visual salmon]

Not only talents

[clever belfry]

its actively detrimental to follow their advice

[visual salmon]

Also sims etc

[visual salmon]

Thx

[clever belfry]

(noxxic+ made it less fun to make fun of their info cause it locks it away gg)

[visual salmon]

😂 thx for all guys

I think i go back and play affli and fury

#breakthemeta

Or trolling and play arcane😂

[iron portal]

I am suprised it still lives

[earnest canyon]

surprised what does?

[iron portal]

Noxxic

[earnest canyon]

oh

[iron portal]

it has been bad source of info for years

[earnest canyon]

who writes it?

[low folio]

yes

[tardy lark]

chatgpt

[chrome plover]

^

[broken kite]

What we all praying for in vault ?

[sour frigate]

Weapon.

[low folio]

i just remembered, i need to do some delves so i can possible get the funhouse lens for a 90 second on use

[tardy lark]

pirate trinket yaaarrhhh

[low folio]

unless i decide to pug a heroic raid, will be the only 90 seconds trinket i can get thats worth using

well i guess any trinket is worth over no trinket

[clever belfry]

Actually go and look at arms and fury

[earnest canyon]

a happy day with my family 🙏

[clever belfry]

it verbatim copies some conds from maxroll/wowhead but just forgets to use entire abilities

its awful awful awful

[tardy lark]

maybe if i pay its good

[flat river]

About to start my exam guys

Wish me luck

[wraith walrus]

Am I reading this right? Should I be setting my loot spec to arms for vault loot?

[clever belfry]

u dont need luck

if u need luck to succeed u already lost

u will just win on your own merit

[crystal summit]

Yes. Always be arms loot spec

[chrome plover]

the only difference is that it removes 1 handers

[raven shell]

nvm gonna stay with fury.... arms has so many god damn buttons/skills to fit in the bars I'm going insane

[stiff barn]

Colossus is the only one, that has more. St slayer is fine .

[wraith walrus]

Bless. Thanks folks, I had no idea!

[warm crag]

Yes

[raven shell]

i don't even ahve the hero talents and it feels already bloated. fury feels much smoother to play so far

[coarse nest]

Honestly as an arms enjoyer who plays both, fury feels harder to optimize this iteration

[earnest canyon]

no way, fury is just press button

[coarse nest]

Yeah if you want to green log

[stiff barn]

I enjoy both

[coarse nest]

[earnest canyon]

I dont care about what some website says about my logs as long as the boss dies

[coarse nest]

Ayye that’s a fair choice for you I just personally always try to improve my own log every time I fight a boss

[earnest canyon]

that is fair also, I used to be like that at one point

[chrome plover]

you can do this on any spec if you dont care about your output

[earnest canyon]

Nah....Everyone cares to a degree, but Fury its much easier

why the fuck is discord so laggy

[raven shell]

i just wish it had less buttons, but more core complexity.

and lets be honest, who doesn't want to smash things with 2x 2h^^

[earnest canyon]

even typing is lagggy

[raven shell]

tbh i mained arms back in legion and bfa cause fury felt bad. now its the other way around

[junior gale]

Full brand new vision arms rework one day

[raven shell]

and I'm not that meta brained anymore. these days its just about having fun and not forcing myself into playing something i don't like

[chrome plover]

i enjoy arms a lot more rn than i ever have

[flat river]

I need god

Exam was hard af

45% if im lucky

[flat river]

Honestly if they bring back legion arms I'd be happy

[junior gale]

A lot of people including myself would be happy even if I didn't really play warrior back then

I've watched videos on how it played and it just looks a lot more fun and engaging than what we have

[flat river]

Collosal smash every 5 seconds

@junior gale rage used to reset the CD of colossus smash and MS

[junior gale]

Meaningful and engaging procs

What a world

[flat river]

• colossus smash used to have a 12 second cd

Even if no reset

[junior gale]

Instead of dumb boring op procs

[flat river]

Real and true

And MS fucked then

[potent thicket]

finally gets winning streak, gone the next button i press, fml

[flat river]

XD

[junior gale]

You would feel excitement when you got a cs proc. There's no excitement for Op or even MS procs

Unless you get a long chain of EB proc then that does feel good

[oblique trail]

Your life will be infinitely better if you never care about the set bonus

[potent thicket]

true

[coarse nest]

What set bonus!?

See it’s that easy

[twin glacier]

r u guys switching activly to the bombs on stix mythic?

like actual, switch not just cleave em

[mossy fox]

i cleave

losing frenzy sounds silly

[junior gale]

yee last thing you wanna do as fury is lose frenzy

[radiant plank]

Oab

[mossy fox]

🙂

[tight roost]

But they spawn all over, no?

[oblique trail]

You let ranged bring them low enough to be taken off the scrap piles, wait for them to be gathered, then kill them when they're at the boss 👍

[tight roost]

Seems sensible

Also less chance to ignote piles by accident i guess

[tardy lark]

help your healers parse

stand on every pile

[tepid cedar]

Good luck on all your motherzuggin vaults today boys!!

Hope we alll see jaspers and mechanos

[frozen field]

Anyone here have a recommended build for Underpin ??

[timber hare]

I used the raid ST on wow head

[pallid wing]

If I only kill, let's say, the first 4 bosses on mythic, can loot from the other 4 bosses appear on my vault?

[timber hare]

Pre sure you can only receive loot from the bosses you have killed

Apart from tier

[stiff barn]

Aye, need to kill them to unlock their loot table

[pseudo rampart]

is fury getting nerfed next patch or is it just a rumor?

[coarse nest]

This changed slightly, you used to be able to not kill X boss and never get loot from it but they made it now so that if you kill a higher tier boss all of the bosses before it now become lootable weather you killed them or not

[timber hare]

oh cool

good to know

[tight roost]

So kill vexie mythic and you get access to all heroic loot?

[coarse nest]

The RWF would just not bring people in on bosses that had shit loot for them to game the system and Blizz fixed that basically

[tight roost]

Or only by tier

[coarse nest]

Only by difficulty

So if you bench ride until mythic gallywix and then you kill gallywix you now have access to all mythic loot in vault whenever you fill the slots

Obviously that’s not realistic but you get the idea

[torpid elbow]

has servers went down and how long the expect to be down?

[tight roost]

Conversely if you dont kill any bosses but fill your vault with heroic/mythic up you only get loot from dungeons i guess?

[torpid elbow]

couldnt really see a nerf , fury is in a good spot rn

[hardy bluff]

raid and dungeons are on seperate rows

[glad coyote]

1 hours

[tepid cedar]

prot warrior + dps brann = easy mode

[glad coyote]

tank brann dies in 2 hits

sad news

[chilly fractal]

Tbh if you can survive it’s easier with Brann dead

[timber hare]

healer all the way

[chilly fractal]

DPS Brann for me would just mount up on his Gryphon yell he’s gonna go all out… but somehow end up at the entrance

Then Underpin jumps to the entrance and spawns adds now all over creation because Brann sucks

[still iron]

hows everyones sims looking?

im riding 20/20/47 stats

[glad coyote]

15/23/57/6 661 ilvl

praying to the gods i can get a heroic house of cards in vault to replace mechano-core amplifier

[oblique trail]

Why would you want to replace the mechano core

Unless it's a veteran track one

[tepid cedar]

mechano is like our bis

lol make sno sense

no *

[glad coyote]

i have champion level

tired of doing delves

[oblique trail]

Even champion level is infinitely better than the vast majority of alternatives

[tepid cedar]

^^^

[still iron]

mechano op

Do I hate I had to do delves.. yes

[chilly fractal]

Why are you planning to replace Mechano? What’s your other trinket

[coarse nest]

Prolly wants ilvl over champ track or something

[tepid cedar]

unless u get a 678 house of cards, mechano is king.

[frozen field]

noted ty

Colossus?

[chilly fractal]

Yes

[frozen field]

Thanks gamers.

[chilly fractal]

Demolish and shield charge will break the shield easily

Everytime

[tepid cedar]

yea. i beat my head with fury for 30 minutes. always getting stupid rng fails. swapped to prot colosus and dps bran , legit first try

[frozen field]

I've done it a few times as slayer fury and gotten to about 40% or so, but I think i just goof with the adds

or I get bad spawns

[chilly fractal]

Brann will sometimes fuck you with that

[fading bane]

pretty sure they spawn by the boss

[glad coyote]

hero improvised seaforium

[fading bane]

so you wanna move boss where there has been no adds killed

[frozen field]

Yeah he seems to stand in the centerish of the room a lot, and fucks my spawns

[fading bane]

so they odnt split

[glad coyote]

mines 658

[frozen field]

Yeah I try to keep him near a clear wall

[chilly fractal]

Underpin can leap to Brann

[chrome plover]

surprised champ mechano doesnt beat that already

[chilly fractal]

Sometimes Brann will just fuck off

[chilly fractal]

It should

[glad coyote]

sims say hero is .2% better

see how it actually ims

if i get it

[chilly fractal]

In pw 5 min or other sim

[tepid cedar]

sim it. but it should be negligible. i know for myself. using raid MT build, ST, 678 pacemaker and mechano are only like 6k dps diff on st vesus 678 house+678 kezan ( and getting those wil be ooof) but in mt pace and mechano actualy sim a tad bit higher

[glad coyote]

yeah i mostly only do m+ and just hit 3k this week

anything to help aoe

can barely keep up with unholy dk

[tepid cedar]

yea im prraying for a mechano or jasper this week. got a 678 pace last week. mechano wil be big dps gains in M+, especially now that im at almost all 14s done, that extra dps wil be clutch

[glad coyote]

first week had 3 slots of myth track and they were all trinkets, and have hero seaforim and champ mecho they all simmed lower

ended up taken hero tier

[tepid cedar]

i had a banger first week., had a mechano 665 kezzan 665 and myth track weapon.

i went with the myth track weapon.

[glad coyote]

i just dont get how we didnt get any tuning this week

id assume you took hero mech?

[tepid cedar]

all we really need is tasrget uncap or increase the amount of targets from 5 to fuck give us 8

[glad coyote]

yeahh

[chilly fractal]

Let that be our tier set next patch

[glad coyote]

even ele shaman first pull of cinder brew is pushing 17mil+

[tepid cedar]

the argument that we do more ST is non viable in my eyes. as the good boomies, shammies will be behind but its not the same margin as we are behind in aoe.

in these higher keys, killing mobs faster = at the boss faster.

[glad coyote]

while we cant even hit 10 mil

i will say if we stay in combat and chain pull thats where we shine imo

overall i can keep up but i gotta work for it

[chrome plover]

early season they tend to tune for raid and we're doing great in raid

[tepid cedar]

The highest I hit was 10.5 on first pull cinder on at 14 clear.

And that was everything aligning and the stars and moon looking down on me

[coarse nest]

Surely fury sees aoe buffs in 11.1.5

[chrome plover]

[tepid cedar]

We don’t need buffs

[chilly fractal]

Nope… nerfs

[tepid cedar]

We just need to get uncapped

Or cap everyone

[dense elbow]

You mean 12 beta, then nerfed to hell in 12.0.1

[tepid cedar]

And make everyone equals

[chilly fractal]

Week after week we’re gonna get nerfed

Then maybe a stray nerf in there somewhere

[coarse nest]

To repeat the same old thing they need to make meat cleaver reduced beyond 5 or 8 instead of hard capped at 5

[tepid cedar]

@chrome plover what’s up you sexy mfr!!!!!

[tepid cedar]

Or even better. It’s been 20 years fkn remover the need to cast a spell to get aoe lol

[chrome plover]

hey

[dense elbow]

Or just have our AoE be carried by our AoE CDs

[coarse nest]

That too massively buff of and bs

[dense elbow]

Imagine if bladestorm did damage

[coarse nest]

Reduce fury threat generation by 8000%

[dense elbow]

Would he problematic for raid tho

[tepid cedar]

Bro how I wish slayer was viable in m+

[dense elbow]

So can't happen

[tepid cedar]

Slayer is soooo fun

[dense elbow]

It is the best m+ spec, it does more boss dam

Bringing Fury to cower AoE is a troll and trap 🪤

[tepid cedar]

From doing high keys, fuck boss damage if we tickling the pulls and it’s taking 45 seconds more for n each pull . Those 45 seconds add up lol

[dense elbow]

Well, most packs are overkilles by CDs, ele doing 30mill

Our 5mill does nothing in there

[timber hare]

been saying the same thing, i want that shit back

[dense elbow]

If you care for AoE, go arms

We got one job, that we win some time on, that is ST

That is all we do

Of value

[violet condor]

when fury is 5 target capped but gets beat in 5 target cap by most specs 🙂

[dense elbow]

That is not our job tho

We are ST

[gilded pawn]

idk if thats true

even archi said we are amongst the top in 5t sustained

[tepid cedar]

and legit, if the diffrence in boss damage is not the same as the difference in aoe damage. WHY take furys. i get annoyed by it but getting declined from 15s constantly. i totally get it lolol

[gilded pawn]

just that 5t sustained doesnt exist

[violet condor]

^

[dense elbow]

15s is premade territory tho. Just get into a team that you can fill the ST role within

[violet condor]

i think if an uncapped clas bursts in 5 target and we burst in 5 target we should 100% do more dmg if not the specs worthless

[gilded pawn]

well our burst isnt 5 capped

its 8

[violet condor]

or the 5 target cap makes no sense

[gilded pawn]

🤣

[tepid cedar]

i kind of enjoy pugging though

[gilded pawn]

we have tuning levers for this

[violet condor]

bs or thunderclap isnt our burst

[gilded pawn]

spear/roar, bs/rav, odyns

can all be our burst AOE independent from our sustained AOE

but those are just undertuned rn

[violet condor]

i wish roar did dmg again

[dense elbow]

Fair, but then you got to accept we don't fill many comps in a meaningful way. We got to be built around or have ppl who don't care if output overall as a group goes down.

[violet condor]

thats just sad...

[dense elbow]

Is what it is, when ppl want Fury to be flat and have great ST only

[gilded pawn]

roar does do damage

the nerf that happened last tier didnt do anything

its just that rest of the kit got buffed

which also indirectly buffs spear

[violet condor]

roar use to be at or near top of dmg

[dense elbow]

I dont know man, I would swap it out for more %crit if I could

[tepid cedar]

best comp ive done has been boomie, enhance priest and dh

bannnginng

[violet condor]

yea roar does dmg but not comparitivly

[gilded pawn]

well things get buffed

[dense elbow]

In 12.0 beta

[violet condor]

fury doesnt even take the roar talents in raid

[dense elbow]

Then nerfed 12.0.1

[violet condor]

we take stat boosts

[gilded pawn]

stat boosts are incredibly strong because rotational buttons got buffed giga

[dense elbow]

Yep, that was the goal of making it flat

It is alright tho, flat makes raiders happy. ST makes them even more so.

Fun part is, the ones who wanted this Fury version, now play arms.

[gilded pawn]

it is true that the devs are just flip flopping though

last tier arms sustained fury burst

[fading sky]

I mean i wanted a slightly flatter profile

[gilded pawn]

now this tier fury sustained arms burst

[fading sky]

But the current profile is sad

Slayer needs bladestorm buff and of buff + roar buff( or spear)

[tepid cedar]

i did hear rumours of warrior finally getting a reworkl done for Midnight as other classes receieved finally

not sure hoiw accurate of if its bs

[gilded pawn]

midnight is like 2 years out

relax

[violet condor]

i know it wasnt popular but i want perma reck back

thatll probably never again tho..

[dense elbow]

You want what you want, this is fair

[fallow sparrow]

2 years?Next year around this time surely we will be close if not , in Midnight

[violet condor]

hopefully we geta rework and fury is uncapped

[fading sky]

Nah uncapped i do not like

[dense elbow]

Only uncap Fury should have is the CDs

[chrome plover]

take me back

[fading sky]

Would never trust em to tune that

[violet condor]

sweeping strikes becomes a passive again we get battle cry again storm bolt doe dmg again

[tepid cedar]

Brooooo yessss

[radiant plank]

reck perma uptime never again

doogshit design

[chrome plover]

[fading sky]

Talk bout flatt dmg profile

[radiant plank]

me when 1 mechanic makes my reck uptime be 30% less

[chrome plover]

just dont get mechanics

rashok the elder, 100% enrage uptime, 94% reck uptime, 0 mechanics, rank 1

100% skill

[dense elbow]

Raiders always so Madge when mechanics interplay with performance in a fight. Like it doesn't always happen and decide the logs with crist

[violet condor]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-jack-nicholson-nod-gif-12961107

[feral ivy]

remember to loot in arms guys

[dense elbow]

Do prot you coward

[chrome plover]

well it's just annoying on reclear/playing for logs when stuff out of your control makes it not possible to log

[tepid cedar]

T MINUS 4 MINUTESSSSS

[elfin belfry]

Mechanics is the design of the patriarchy!

[tepid cedar]

time to do some sacrificial dances and offerings

[chrome plover]

not all mechanics have that much of an impact, and not all specs get impacted that much

[dense elbow]

DoWN wiTH ThE PaTHrrrIARkkYYyie

[chrome plover]

what time is it for you

[elfin belfry]

[tepid cedar]

VAULT TIME

[iron portal]

smh

This chat getting worse i swear

[chrome plover]

eu vault comes up at 4am so im never there lmao

apart from on week 1

[sudden tusk]

KEEEEEEEEGGGGG

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/toast-anime-concerned-gif-22128918

I don't wanna get up.

[tepid cedar]

SHIEEEEET

[sudden tusk]

tbh i might go chest

keg is fury bis buuuuuuut

[warm crag]

Say gex

[thick fossil]

Chest is good for all spec

[chrome plover]

how many catalyst charges will we have this week

[sudden tusk]

Balls

[chrome plover]

still 2+1 from achievement

[gleaming siren]

Say gex

[sudden tusk]

tbh i think keg might be better in M+ for arms then the haste crit one

so i might just go keg still

[summer quail]

I nean arms is only played on 2 bosses that matter

I would take neck for sure

[sudden tusk]

well i mean more long term for M+

[warm crag]

Wrong because i have Richard Resonanz neck

[chrome plover]

big reverberating richard

[sudden tusk]

i could just eventually get richard's resounding pearls

where as i cant really get keg

[dense elbow]

Happy loot day, Americannons

[warm crag]

Chest is probs correct short term but idk ur name is manoobdox

[radiant knot]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-kurt-angle-100-yard-stare-what-are-you-serious-gif-2300272243480923027

[warm crag]

Walking boots angle

[dapper goblet]

madox for yellow

[wheat lantern]

ABSOLUTE BALLS LOOT

[sudden tusk]

boots good?

[radiant plank]

Mythic shoulder for the oven

[tepid cedar]

isnt noggenfoghger really good now? or is it sim bait?

[warm crag]

Id stay away from it

[wheat lantern]

back to bed on this dooky vault

[dire vigil]

Easy Keg angle

[tepid cedar]

looks like 678 chest for me lol, actualy a pretty big upgrade too

[gleaming siren]

Spongie

Gz on your Stix weapon tomorrow

Gz on my Stix weapon tomorrow

[warm crag]

I do need my offhand

[gleaming siren]

We're both vaulting it

And then 2 drop from Stix

[chrome plover]

it's a weird one

the dude dies easily

[warm crag]

I think u vault the highest non weapon vault Option u can get and then u kill stix and it Drops 3 2hs

[warm crag]

Gamer vault

[glad coyote]

and another week of not taken myth track but hero mechano

[kind mantle]

seems shit but idk

[vale reef]

ye pretty happy with the options

[oblique trail]

kaballs

[warm crag]

Hello

[oblique trail]

greetings

[tepid cedar]

did the gilded crest cap not go up this week!?!?!?

[hardy bluff]

relog

[dense elbow]

NA bug test again? Nice 👍

[fervent yoke]

Ewwwwwwwwww.. guess I’ll replace the champ chest but still

[tepid cedar]

nm relog fixed it

[dense elbow]

I love how the picture of the screen shots just keep getting more and more scuffed

[chrome plover]

no blizzard hates you and you will never get any more gilded crests again!!!

[short cobalt]

Help.

[iron portal]

Yup

[clever path]

@bitter palm @smoky vale @eternal sundial @sodax hey

[dire vigil]

Myth weapon if you don’t have one, then I’d probably take myth legs because that’s a bis item, any chest can be catalyzed, though it is nice to save the catalyst charge

[eternal sundial]

heyy

[tardy lark]

win+shift+s

[sage ridge]

Should I take the weapon or the pants? Unsure since we will end up replacing the weapon

[chrome plover]

ignoring hero mechano

[compact siren]

Ratfang in vault

[dire vigil]

Yeah forgot to mention that, but you can farm a 658 one

[tepid cedar]

when are u replacing the weapon?!?!?!

[chrome plover]

you will end up replacing the weapon when

[sage ridge]

Won't we do it with the next patch

Aren't they adding those things to buy weapons

[chrome plover]

yeah but surely you want damage now

[short cobalt]

😭 oh that’s how u do it

[chrome plover]

and not in an unknown number of weeks that could be 6 or 16

[tepid cedar]

u understand 678+ 675 crafter is best u can get, 678 best in slot sin only like 5k dps more lol

[sage ridge]

Yeah you're right

[radiant plank]

Yeah those things if they come they come late may

[celest sierra]

is 60 mastery to much for fury?

[sage ridge]

It is the haste mastery weapon too

[tardy lark]

first step to becoming a man

[oblique trail]

don't listen to aagaard

[tardy lark]

or woman, no discrimination

[short cobalt]

What I’m leaning towards, just also liked the trinkets

[tardy lark]

listen to me

[summer quail]

snipping tool

[short cobalt]

🫡

[tardy lark]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-gif-22028515

[oblique trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/711337973274378270/1351661979298697226/ezgif-12920d43fa19c4.gif

[summer mirage]

The best use for Best-in-Slots is on CD ?

[remote bobcat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1250629670462816288/1255715670667169862/8v4tzw.gif

use this instead of typing it out

i made this a few months back

[glad coyote]

well i at least i never have to do delves again

[kind mantle]

would yall take mythic boots with crit + haste for immediate upgrade or mythic head and save for charge next week which sims to about the same

[tardy lark]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[iron portal]

season 3

kek

[glad coyote]

STOP

[chrome plover]

i really dont feel like delves are that bad

[gusty cloak]

is eye of kezan good for M+?

[remote bobcat]

no

[chilly fractal]

hate this game

[remote bobcat]

set piece hand or a very solid trinket

wdym

[chilly fractal]

another big red button

in my face

loot 5 the other weekend, saw one in my vault last week another in my vault this week

[warm crag]

U deserve big Red button

I wish i had big Red button in vault

What about you @lost saffron

[last sparrow]

bis setup is double red button

[chilly fractal]

thats a lot of red button

[chrome plover]

press it

[bitter palm]

fake

no 2 piece = troll

2 set big red buttons

please blizzard

[warm crag]

Big Red button 2p: pressing one also presses the other for free

[pulsar quest]

I’ve given up going for delve trinket

Idc anymore

I’ll get a heroic house of cards or kezan and call it a day

[warm crag]

Keep delving boy

[last sparrow]

4 big red button presses

[pulsar quest]

You can’t make me

[warm crag]

Im dming ur gm

[pulsar quest]

Dude!!!!!

[chrome plover]

https://tenor.com/view/randall-recess-snitch-gif-9625258

[gleaming siren]

The fuck is a

2nd place champion

[gleaming siren]

Toph is a big green egg enjoyer

For sure

[warm crag]

Gregg

[chrome plover]

greggs?

[rare halo]

weapon and mechano are the two highest upgrades for me which sim about the same, idk what to take

[lost saffron]

had one last week

[south kayak]

boots man

[south kayak]

Mechano if weapon isn't myth

[warm crag]

Weapon is myth noob

[sullen dove]

girth

easy take honey buzzer

[sour frigate]

[chrome plover]

big honey buzzer

[celest sierra]

My warrior has 60 mastery is that to much ?

[sullen dove]

mm at least 3

[warm crag]

Idk i think i have 12000

60 does seem a bit low

[high basin]

chatting

[warm crag]

Sim your Character raidbots will Tell u how to fix

[celest sierra]

Dunno how to sim stats

I will figure it out tho thank you

[sullen dove]

havent read this but presumably this helps

a little

the updated for patck 9.0.5 is concerning tho

[warm crag]

U dont sim stats u sim gear

[heavy sparrow]

You can if you want it's just not really useful when top gear is there

Stat sim only really shows you a certain trend, but the issue is that when you change setup, the stat sim also changes, so a piece that seemed like an upgrade before, might no longer be after you've simmed it

It's an issue especially when you're close to stat breakpoints

Or when all stats scale pretty much the same

[warm crag]

I dont think ive seen a Single justified stat weight sim ever

[smoky vale]

i havent simmed my mage yet

but all i can see is every other mage has 30% haste

and i dont

sooo

[warm crag]

Ok equip more haste

[smoky vale]

yarp

thats what ive been doing

[warm crag]

U dont need stat weights for that

[smoky vale]

and ofc

stacking ilvl

me when i think

[heavy sparrow]

Are you playing fire?

Haste is a reasonable bet then

Fire doesn't scale that great with anything aside haste

[pseudo kite]

Capital Punisher Heroic or Vers Mythic Weapon /= Thoughts? Sim has a 5k difference in favor of Mythic Weapon over Punisher... go with it?

[spare steppe]

Id go mythic weaipon, capital punisher aint that fancy

[pseudo kite]

Yeah guess that's the path,... wish it weren't Vers tho hehe

[warm crag]

Literally irrelevant

You can shift around stats everywhere else ye and theres no stat we dont want

[hidden tinsel]

My smooth warrior brain cannot comprehend when to use bloodthirst or raging blow, can someone ELI5?

[spare steppe]

i like stat weight sims to see relative weight for what specs want

but its useless for decisions

[last sparrow]

think issue with stat weights is they change pretty much every item you equip

[dull compass]

What did people get their spark from this week?

[compact siren]

Yap

[dull compass]

The three delves?

[compact siren]

Spongie sims his stat weights for running delves

[edgy widget]

anyone raiding early to get the raid skip, or know someone who is?

[chrome plover]

in ST pretty much just use raging blow and ignore bloodthirst until it's at 85%~ crit chance or enemy is below 35% with VC

[pallid tundra]

theres a WA in updates-war-within for bloodthirst

[quiet breach]

i think i will craft the pants

this week

biggest # increase

will craft 675 version

[edgy widget]

#1237307732705415228

[quiet breach]

i know it will be replaced when i am full bis but... i dont think i will even be full bis

by the end of the season

so idc im just gonna do big number

[coarse nest]

Hard to say what I’m going to craft if at all

[quiet breach]

i currently have normal track pants lol

[coarse nest]

Eventually you won’t need sparks anyway so it’s not horrible to get power early if you can

Chest might be the play if I can get my hands on Heroic tier shoulders

[quiet breach]

i have hero tier chest so ima just rock it

u CANNOT catalyze crafted pieces right?

[fluid cedar]

yawl think hero track signet over hero track eye of kezan in keys?

my other trink is a champ track seaforium pacemaker

[coarse nest]

Also considering neck craft so I can easily shift stats around depending on other gear

[quiet breach]

i would take eye of kezan no question

oh waiut

nvm

ur asking about

\what to wear

i thought u meant what to take from vault lol

[fluid cedar]

correct

[quiet breach]

ignore what i said

idk

[storm meadow]

I'm wondering, M+-wise, which classes synergise the most with War Fury ?

[gloomy loom]

I dropped hc kezan yesterday and it sims only 12k more than my hc pacemaker

[quiet breach]

hunter, monk, rogue

feral druids love them as well, if u want a brez spec that synergizes

[chrome plover]

2 dps specs that can kill big packs for you 🙂

[storm meadow]

Oh that's great because I've got a friend that plays feral this season 😄

technically I also have a Monk too ^^

[kind mantle]

Probably I should save until I get enough sparks to make 2h right? Fucked up by trying to craft stuff for prot and fury so made wrist + belt for first 2 crafts. Haven't got a mythic track wpn yet

[quiet breach]

warrior synergizes with physical damage classes cuz of battleshout

[plush ice]

how does the mister lock and stock trinket work

[storm meadow]

Isn't it like Passive with a "switch" activation ?

[plush ice]

yeah, i guess my question was more geared to the switch activation

like its a 20 sec cd, like, what does it do/how should i use it, etc?

i just brougth up wowhead and didn't see anything about it

[storm meadow]

When looted it's in "monotarget" mode, activate it => it goes multitarget mode ?

[oblique trail]

Correct

[oblique trail]

Jastor angle

[fluid cedar]

poggers diamond

[quiet breach]

HUGE JASTOR

[plush ice]

oh, ok, in my defense, i dont think its clear that the other mode is multitarget

[oblique trail]

Also only 1 mythic slot?

[quiet breach]

bro xantaga u have the best vaults

[oblique trail]

Xan is mega noob

[quiet breach]

what the fuck

[plush ice]

unless i'm misreading and am dumb, which is possible

[oblique trail]

The tooltip pretty clearly states if it's in AoE or ST

[storm meadow]

Mmh, I'd say in your defense, multimodal trinkets have HORRENDOUS tooltips

[young swan]

it has leech

[quiet breach]

based non bottom row haver btw

fuck delves

[storm meadow]

The only thing you look for in bottom row is the trinket from delves

[tidal kindle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/798810105151750144/1354128448100241449/image0.jpg?ex=67e429e4&is=67e2d864&hm=5962b4b71eb965ff2716be76f43f9d5c65f9760a307347c771c8cd1944ef492e&

Noggen > pace right?

[quiet breach]

jastor diamond dropped in my pug yesterday and a 98 roller lost it to a 99 roller

[tidal kindle]

[quiet breach]

rest in peace that guy

[wheat lantern]

carrying a 665 BiS / off hand 665

[young swan]

any tert enjoyers

[timber hare]

is the dungeon quest reward heroic undermine raid loot?

[ruby badge]

Hmm viscera or socket

[wheat lantern]

yes and someone pulled a eye of kezan , smfh. lucky

[timber hare]

oof

[summer quail]

do you already have mythic tierchest?

[ruby badge]

yes sir

[tidal kindle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1133075542011293757/1354130073396973598/image0.jpg?ex=67e42b68&is=67e2d9e8&hm=69a75bd5a68765d6d19ee8e0c834c564a352839cf7dcf6ef3dbd48e9574461e6&

Both warrior pacemaker in vault

What the

[onyx spire]

Guys, mythic track signet of the priory or hero track mechano core amplifier? Amp sims higher but feels weird passing a mythic track item

[hidden tinsel]

Well, so only press bloodthirst if -> over 85%
-> or i have less than 2 charges of raging blow and target is less than 35% health,
-> or no more raging blow available

[coarse nest]

I’m so hoping for this in my vault ngl

[harsh frost]

smf viable when?

[coarse nest]

Noggen+thug hotline

[summer quail]

mechano any day. signet sucks

[chrome plover]

I dont think the 'less than 2 charges of raging blow' conditional is necessary

just send it on cd below 100 rage below 35% health

but the rest yes p much, but just use the weakaura

[fervent yoke]

What quest gives the spark?

[sly bobcat]

Is the keystone depletion prevention 12s account wide?

Like will my alts keystone also not deplete under 12

[amber shuttle]

is Mister Lock-N-Stalk trinket good for m+ or just single target boss?

[sullen dove]

massive fuzzy cindercuffs

[grand condor]

Got a myth track reverb radio in my vault today and it's not even outsimming my existing trinkets

[normal storm]

is there a good way to track the rampage stacks? trying fury for the first time and unsure when i should cast rampage in general

[grand condor]

You never cast Rampage as Arms

[normal storm]

whoopse lol

was looking at arms channel when i was typing lol

[sullen dove]

basically all the time on cd as soon as you have rage for it aside from a few minor things you might hold it for for tiny gains mostly

like after coming out of a bladestorm as fury you can spam raging blows for as many slaughtering strikes stacks as you can get before sending it so their buffs like combine and do a giga ramp

but outside of if you choose to do that for a tiny gain you pretty much completely ignore the ss stacks and just ramp as if they dont exist

[normal storm]

aight, yea i was reading the rotation on wowhead and it just says stack up slaughtering strikes so i wasnt sure if like getting to 5 was actually necessary or not, thanks for answering 👍

[sullen dove]

yea i would assume if it says that it'd be after a bladestorm only but generally yea you just want the cdr more often rather than making sure you slam 5 raging blows before every rampage

[quiet breach]

i didnt do the spark quest last week, arent u supposed to loot the spark from doing whatever content the next week if u dont do the quest? i just did a m+ and didnt loot it what gives? someone else in my party looted it tho

[junior gale]

still rng

wont drop right away

[quiet breach]

i see, thx

[thorny cove]

hmm do you i go for tier pants even tho not bis? I have tier gloves already but low ilvl

[edgy oasis]

why the fuck are we not getting a buff or removal of target cap. If you cannot balance us. then rework us...ffs. how many seasons have Ret DK and shammy been strong! How is that Boomkin unholy retri rogues can burst in 15mill dps then outdps us on ST also.

[sullen dove]

real

[sullen dove]

worrying about like "end of gearing" bis at this stage is pretty not important

pants are like biggest stat budgeted items aside from weapons so just having myth pants is definitely massive

but also it sounds like u dont have 4set yet either so while its not that big for fury it is another somethin to sorta point to legs being good

or maybe u meant u just have that glove already and not like you need to get the tier set but either way pants prolly the best thing on there, fun house lens is "maybe" pretty good too

[thorny cove]

ya I think I go for pants I've using last season's tier so would be myth track pants over 639 ones 🤣

[sullen dove]

yar....

if you have simmed maybe try to sim trinket

depending on how good/bad. your trinks are

i dont exactly remember its effect but i think it lined up with fury pretty well

but it is just like a worse hoc or something i think

[wheat lantern]

hold out one more week until i get a myth track wep(hopefully) or just craft my weapon now. and take the boots i guess * yes simmed*

[sullen dove]

o yea just some haste or crit on a 90s cds

so not like huge for fury def way better for arms

[sullen dove]

considering we're at 3 sparks now you prolly dont have to worry about any holding out or anything atp

like the alternative you'd do is double duskthread or something yea? which you can just get 2 weeks from now

[wheat lantern]

used my first spark on a neck at the beginning , trolled myself there

[sullen dove]

aware

[thorny cove]

nah I already got hero track mechano core and pacemaker should be good there

[torpid elbow]

how do you sim your whole vault?

[sullen dove]

o yea that sounds good

[wheat lantern]

open your vault simc , copy paste , and theres a option to click

[sullen dove]

when you do /simc it should just include all your vault items in the gear area and you click what you want to compare

but regardless aside from a small blunder on making a neck i think its not that bad to wait a few extra weeks to make an eventual duskweave set

like its prolly a little better on most raid fights but its not like you've completely wasted your ascension craft

[wheat lantern]

and just snag up a wep ?

[torpid elbow]

i dont understand

[sullen dove]

have u simmed by typing /simc in game before

with the addon

[torpid elbow]

no i always just ctrl c and alt z my gear

[thorny cove]

my gear is pretty good minus not having 4 set yet 😅

[wheat lantern]

"select all great vault items' , use the option top gear

[sullen dove]

if you are familiar with downloading addons ppl use the one called like simulationcraft

and it prettymuch doesnt do anything aside from let you type /simc in game

and just ctrl c copy all that shit it pops up

to paste into the website

and it would include your vault items if you opened the vault

[torpid elbow]

i did it did not let me do it

not sure what im doing wrong here

[hardy bluff]

have the vault window open

then do /simc

otherwise it doesnt know your vault

[wheat lantern]

@sullen dove , so we still use ascension even without the other embellish buff ?

gonna craft a wep , yolo

[hardy bluff]

i mean you should have another spark

just use that

[wheat lantern]

^^ I stated I used it on a neck beginning and trolled myself

[hardy bluff]

oh

you can make a 630 cloak with the embelish

[torpid elbow]

quick sim or top gear ?

[hardy bluff]

or bracers

top gear

[sullen dove]

as opposed to having no embellishment at all yeah probably

[thorny cove]

so what do we craft this week if we already have weapon? bracers with the embelishment?

[sullen dove]

writhing probably yea

bracer or belt or something

whichever piece is worse

[sullen dove]

belt has more stats than bracer so i put my gilded on that

[torpid elbow]

says make sure to select some additional items whats that means?

[sullen dove]

to go down and click other gera items

cuz rn youre only simming what youre wearing

which isnt what top gear does

thatd be like a quick sim

basically saying "give me something to compare"

[torpid elbow]

how do i only sim what's in my vault then?

[sullen dove]

click the vault items

they should be highlighted in blue

or just the button that says "pick all vault items"

if they're all decent

[torpid elbow]

so you cant just sim everything and see what's good?

[sullen dove]

i mean you can it may overcap the possible combinations but should be able to sim like 4-5 diff pieces at least normally

[torpid elbow]

i dont know how to do any of this shit im just not gonna do it lol

[sullen dove]

can maybe scroll thru this if you want https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-raidbots-and-run-character-simulations-6050

[torpid elbow]

ok ty

[sullen dove]

tho i mean once youve already gotten your simc string into the website thats like 90% of the work

its just like scrolling down to click the gear you want to compare

i dont have other gear cuz im not home to simc my own bags but i just got this from droptimizer and is only what my guy is wearing

there "would" be other pieces of gear than what you see here and you just select them to make the combination of gear to sim

[torpid elbow]

ok i see now i just had to scroll down 1st couple times i was doing it nothing popped up

[sullen dove]

yea it takes like a few seconds to load everything maybe

its mostly is easy to sim a decent number of combinations but doing rings and trinkets could go a little crazy since there's 2 of them so if you sim 3 diff ones itll do every diff combination which adds a lot, so you can lock a ring or trinket that you know you wont replace

so it only sims swapping 1 trinket out with the other and not "are these 2 better or are these 2 better or are these 2 better"

but that mostly just comes from familiarity knowing which trinkets are your like giga good ones

[tepid lily]

WHO THOUGHT OF THIS IDEA

[torpid elbow]

got my tier set nice

[sullen dove]

do 365k more damage perhaps?

nice

[red berry]

there is a druid in every single group i am looking at

wack

[gloomy loom]

at wich ilvl is better to use 4set new pieces than 2 old and 2 new?

[vague sierra]

When the sim gods say to

[young swan]

heroic box btw

i just ascended like 100k today lmfao

[forest owl]

nice, what is the weekly quest do mythic dungeons?

[young swan]

yeah

[iron portal]

you didnt have champion track?

[rare garnet]

WHO THOUGH OF NOT HAVING THE BAR CENTERED IN YOUR SCREEN YOU TELL ME IS THAT THE QUESTION

[sullen dove]

You need to be taken out back

and shot in the spleen

[iron portal]

sword

hero Gally today

[sullen dove]

(I got ring from Vault and had kezan too so it’s ok)

holy double eye

[iron portal]

double almost everything

[quiet breach]

what's a heroic box

[sour frigate]

weekly quest

[exotic rose]

I feel like I'm doing almost no damage in M+ with Mountain Thane, these are just base stats, I've been on a bit of a break coming back

[lost solar]

Elaborate on no damage

[opal monolith]

these stats say youre like what

620 ilvl

at best?

[exotic rose]

I'm 655

[opal monolith]

seems like very low mastery/haste

[lost solar]

^

[iron portal]

Stats arent the problem with dps

[exotic rose]

I flatline at like 1.4 mill single target

[iron portal]

But then again, idk what you imagine as low damage

If yo uare against some crazy pulls with people with huge aoe, you will always lose

Ele/ret/Boomy for exmple

or locks

[exotic rose]

AOE I can do max like 4 mill

[torpid elbow]

you might need to work on rotation because im doing 10 mill dps now last week i was doing only 6-8 mill on big mob pulls and doing a solid 2-3mill on single target boss and doing more of course with bosses who has mobs you gotta kill

[iron portal]

ok but how many targets we talking

[exotic rose]

Big pulls like beginning of cinderbrew pulls

[torpid elbow]

yes gen

[iron portal]

You are def doing something wrong if on that pull your peak is 4 mil

[opal monolith]

yupp

[torpid elbow]

ypu

[iron portal]

and thats not fault of stats i assure you

[opal monolith]

absolutely not nah

[exotic rose]

Hmmm is the wowhead guide solid for rotation or?

[opal monolith]

but stats still look a bit wonky but isnt a big deal as fury i agree

[opal monolith]

yes

[torpid elbow]

oh most def with mt

and slayer just go check it out itll tell you what you need to do and press

that's how i learned slayer and mt / currently learning arms rn

[sullen dove]

Thane is pretty much thunder blast on cd and then just like spam rampage and bt to get more thunder blast

[torpid elbow]

really was suppose to start at arms then fury but oh well

[exotic rose]

Yeah, I was gonna try arms, but it feels incredibly slow in PVE for me, I feel like my rampage does like nothing, sounds weird but when I'm cycling thru my Raging Blows/Bloodthirsts even when I'm rampaging every chance I get those 2 abilities are still out dpsing my rampages.

[torpid elbow]

oh arms is a challenge but once you learn it as a warrior really nothing can stop you as a fury

[calm mantle]

Should I craft my second piece of gear this week or save te spark incase for some reason I don't get a myth weapon next week?

[shrewd steppe]

Question: I am wondering about the hero talents recommendation in the wowhead guide suggesting the overall best hero talents for fury are Slayer for both m+ and raid, however when I compare it to the data in warcraftlogs I see that 97% of the top fury warriors are mountain thane, could someone explain to me why is that the case?

[sullen nexus]

the main wowhead guide says to go mountain thane for m+

[plush zephyr]

Arms main, I tried playing Fury once, never tried again

[calm mantle]

Main wowhead also has Mountainthane as the main m+ build for me as well, it has Slayer as an alternative

[plush zephyr]

Feels weird. Might give it another go this week and level another warrior altogether.

I don’t think I can just switch spec I gotta live the fury up to 80 or some shit

You mentioned it being slow and I feel like a crack head on Arms

[calm mantle]

I look at arms and the only appeal it has to me is the fact you guys can do more AOE from my understanding btu I sitll never want to try Arms

[plush zephyr]

So, is Fury like meth?

[marble pilot]

Thane fury is my favorite rotation in the game. Its just fun. Even if it isnt really good in raid right now

[calm mantle]

I dunno I just enjoy mashing the same 4 buttons over and over while enjoying wrist pain and decent numbers

[plush zephyr]

I play arms and alt as fire mage

[marble pilot]

I feel like it isnt as bad on my fingers/wrist as other rotations because its only a couple buttons. And a few mouse buttons.
So there is a lot less movement. Even though there is a lot of clicks.

[plush zephyr]

So, the high apm sounds like the right fit

[marble pilot]

Not hard to hit 1-4 over and over vs combo buttons

Anyway reason why Fury and Ret are popular. The rotations feel good.

[gilded pawn]

fury isnt that much faster

9apm faster approximately

[torpid elbow]

i do slayer multi targer / or single target depending on bosses

in raid

[marble pilot]

Yeah I play slayer in raid as well cause the whole raid is single target. But I swap to thane for trash cause its fun lol

[torpid elbow]

regardless of tht -3% fire mage still pumping

[marble pilot]

My main alt is a MW monk and im sad at my dps loss this week. 25% is a lot

[gilded pawn]

that patche didnt even go through lol

its gonna get hotfixed in probably later today tho

[marble pilot]

Im at work. And havnt had a chance to look. thats just what I saw last week

[shrewd steppe]

do we have different guides?

[sullen nexus]

I guess so!

[shrewd steppe]

[marble pilot]

Go to talent builds tab

[winter shoal]

Did bro cache the 11.0.2 guide or

[shrewd steppe]

nah that's new

look at the updated

it's under the hero talents page

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/hero-talents

look for yourself

[marble pilot]

Scroll down slightly on that same page

[shrewd steppe]

I know, and even here it shows that for both raid, and m+ is presented first and more of, and alongside the introduction, and makes it look like mountain thane is the "alternative"

[gilded pawn]

this is what i see

[sullen nexus]

But in general Wowhead guides are just a good general starting point, you'll want to do exactly what you did and check what the top warriors are doing for the best info.

[ember apex]

for the Single Target rotation, im noticing varying amount of raging blow casts before Bloodthirst. what's the determining factor of when you press BT vs raging blow? ive seen as few as 1 raging blow before a BT and as many as 4/5 raging blows before the next BT.