fury

[undone flower]

You made me remember I never pressed slam in Nerubar

[radiant plank]

yes

[wheat oyster]

Think playing around brutal finish is griefing me hard lol

My fury logs are ass compared to srms

[remote bobcat]

wat

[oblique trail]

It only griefs you if you do it on Rik

[wheat oyster]

Arms sorry

[oblique trail]

To an extent on Gally HC too

[wheat oyster]

Brain fried after raid

[radiant plank]

yep lets blame the 0.5% incrase apl line for you parsing badly

[remote bobcat]

amen

[wheat oyster]

[chrome plover]

i respect it

based

[fervent yoke]

Fury felt super mid this week in keys I think it’s arms time

[thick fossil]

getting picked for mechanics will do more than that to a parse.

[torpid elbow]

what is this?

[remote bobcat]

a line from the apl

[radiant plank]

Magic words

[wheat oyster]

they get it

from what i understand i'm also just not holding aoe for ads and sending it like monke so 🤷‍♂️

[chrome plover]

well I think it's not brutal finish minmaxing that is griefing you

[wheat oyster]

i dont think it's solely the reason either

[remote bobcat]

you can look at the cooldown usage of top logs to get an idea of what works at least

just hit adds for haste buff

YEP

[radiant plank]

lorrgs.io

[torpid elbow]

and let the haste do all the work haha

[remote bobcat]

I love getting haste buff

for free

[chrome plover]

cinema

[torpid elbow]

https://media.wago.io/cards/TsFNFG1H7/c-1704711092020.jpg kronzo can you tell me what this WA does is it the same as spell reflects WA?

[eternal sundial]

diff wa

[chrome plover]

spell reflect one is only for spells yo ucan reflect

[remote bobcat]

why me

why specifically me

tf

[chrome plover]

this is when you are targeted by anything that does damage

[remote bobcat]

Weirdge

[eternal sundial]

it also mainly

puts the spells on ur party frames

which matters for healer

[radiant plank]

set that part to load never so fast

after 1 instance

[torpid elbow]

bec man i see you in here all the time buddy!

[eternal sundial]

idrc if it does

[remote bobcat]

Copege

[eternal sundial]

im not healing anyone anyways

[chrome plover]

i am

[lean crescent]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9rfGjWMBHN2Cc6K4?boss=3014&difficulty=4&wipes=1 i'm Bäb

But yeah i think i use Execute too much for the CD it gives me on my bladestorm

if anybody can review i would appreciate

[chrome plover]

you can also creat a post in #1347646810457636974 since there's a lot of yap here and your message will get lost

[remote bobcat]

man what is this opener

[eternal sundial]

also you have week 1 gear so ull parse shit

[remote bobcat]

Sadge

also jsut missing enchants

lol

[lean crescent]

lol am i just ass ahahahahaha

[remote bobcat]

hate to break it to you

[lean crescent]

gear wise, i am not enchanting my champ gear yet

[remote bobcat]

Sadge

[lean crescent]

waiting for vault to get my Hero tier

i use a macro for Reck, Avatar and Trink, is this ok?

[radiant plank]

n

o

[remote bobcat]

not really

[lean crescent]

ugh

[remote bobcat]

preferably reck > charge > avatar

[radiant plank]

we have

0 keybinds

why do u need a macro

xdd

[remote bobcat]

walhe a lot of people keybind avatar to a modifer and reck to a non modifier or sum shit

so they end up breaking their hands

duuh

[radiant plank]

I have reck and ava on modifiers

idk

[lean crescent]

why reck before charge? isnt charge damage really low?

[remote bobcat]

same, its shift Q and shift W for me

[radiant plank]

rage

[remote bobcat]

easy asl to press

[radiant plank]

generation

[iron portal]

might have missed AA and didnt have enough to rampage

and since charge happened before Reck, no double rage

[chrome plover]

I have them on the same button but also separate buttons

[lean crescent]

do you guys recommend hekili? I used to use it in Season 1 to learn the basic roptation

[fading sky]

Same

Bo

No

Use the wa in faqs

Kachin= bt

[lean crescent]

good i wil

[remote bobcat]

HELL NO

NEVER

[fading sky]

If not rampage or rb

[remote bobcat]

hekili doesnt understand circumstances, it makes your brain rot and it's like you're playing with a 1 gcd delay on every button press

dentge

[fading sky]

Mainly that

Fury is to fast

[lean crescent]

which one?

i already use Refelct

[fading sky]

Nr 2?

Rest is arms

[clever belfry]

ok loser

[oblique trail]

??

that was 4 days ago

idiot

[clever belfry]

🤷‍♂️

[oblique trail]

wtf do you mean shrug

[ember apex]

Does anyone know how many warriors were lost and in that OnlyFangs BWL wipe?

im tryna find a good pov of raid frames but cant really find it

[junior gale]

sir this is a retail discord

[ember apex]

i know idgaf about onlyfangs myself but it's the big thing in wow currently now that RWF is over

this did also affect RWF as well

so it's not just a classic thing, but it is a classic thing rn

plus a bunch of ppl in my guild were getting DC'ed and shit during sunday raid

[junior gale]

idk its not uncommon for blizz to get ddos

[granite crown]

Ain't that shit literally dead

[junior gale]

happens pretty frequently during releases or events

[ember apex]

not sure but on the tech side why cant they put a cloudflare ddos prvention layer on top

[junior gale]

you forget Blizzard is a $10 company

[ember apex]

yeah true actually

[low folio]

i mean realistically, there is some really smart people out there that probably know a way around cloudfare

[junior gale]

all the money goes to bobbys yaht

well now Phil Spencers yaht

[ember apex]

those people aren't carrying out DDOS attacks that i can tell you right now

[coarse nest]

Blizzard owned by Microsoft still can’t fend off d dos attacks

[ember apex]

if u can circumvent cloudflare ddos protections you arent ddosing blizzard you're bug bounting for CF for millions of dollars

[hollow elk]

dont know enough about ddos attacks ( at all for that matter ) to comment. all i know is from documentary like 5 yearsa go

[junior gale]

anyone thinking microsoft ownership would change anything is crazy

Microsoft is just as bad as a company

[hollow elk]

arent games supposedly constantly fending off ddos attacks?

[clever belfry]

game traffic isnt quite like regular website traffic

[coarse nest]

That’s fair yeah just meant they have gorrilion more money to throw at whatever

[clever belfry]

having ddos protection on this isnt as easy

[junior gale]

yeah that all goes to Phils yahts

[ember apex]

yeah but im not a game dev or anything but i am in software dev, so im wondering why (assuming it's not possible) there isnt a ddos protection layer on top of their networking services and microservices (login service, account services, etc...)

[clever belfry]

lorgin servers im unsure

[ember apex]

Phils yahts?

[clever belfry]

idk how they built it ofc

and im not a network guy

[ember apex]

im not either

[chrome plover]

I'm not a game dev or software dev but I am a warrior main so I'm wondering why can't they just spell reflect it?

[clever belfry]

im sure there is a solution to this

[ember apex]

💯

[clever belfry]

but it probably isnt included in something that costs 15e/month

[coarse nest]

I’m a chime in to everything while knowing nothing kinda guy

[clever belfry]

you get my drift yea

[ember apex]

a bunch of ddos attacks originate from ASUS home routers

[kind bolt]

anyone else lag hard

i cant login

[ember apex]

NA or EU

[kind bolt]

if i do nothing works/registers and i dc

[copper sigil]

what enchants do i need for mythic lol

[chrome plover]

all of them

I think there's a list on the wowhead guide under consumables

[sudden tusk]

/use Recklessness
/use Avatar
/use Charge
/use 13
/chomp @oblique trail
/startattack
/use Cavedwellers Delight

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1304357622866247772/Banezi_chomp.gif

[coarse nest]

Startattack surely that fixes not getting enough rage from reck Ava charge

https://tenor.com/view/enojado-gif-6930705070173779193

[sudden tusk]

[bitter palm]

charge rend parry

aaaand its all over the screen !

[low folio]

i know they just did round of buffs to them but it feels like they dont want people ever using on use raw damage trinkets

so many of them with such small damage numbers when considering how hard a single ability hits for

[summer quail]

i don't think this is true. over the last few seasons of WoW there's been plenty of specs that has had on use raw damage trinkets be their bis. mandate,whatever the caster trinket from amirdrassil is called, grieftorch,anshuul

[low folio]

true i guess

selective memory is what i blame

i chose to not remember those

[gilded pawn]

raw damage trinkets are good if your ilevel is low

or the player is bad

if a raw damage trinket is your best simming trinket in bis then your class is ass

[low folio]

i miss trinkets not being split damage in aoe

[gilded pawn]

yeah same

i want borrowed power to carry all my mass aoe

so i dont have to play the game

[low folio]

damage trinkets were fun

to me

well they are fun when they can be used in dungeons without losing dps

[summer quail]

Umbral Moonglaives my beloved

[low folio]

i remember doing the shadowlands beta and those raid trinkets were so overtuned, it was funny

[gilded pawn]

raw damage trinket has their place in the game

[eager mulch]

The only time i felt trinkets went too far was when in Legion we had Drought of Souls and it was like 20% of our dmg done single target

[gilded pawn]

but i dont think it should ever be bis

[eager mulch]

Remember?

[gilded pawn]

if its simming as bis then the specs are not playing their game

[gilded pawn]

yeah especially when trinkets interacts with class buffs

that was not it

[eager mulch]

Avatar battlecry rampage drought of souls

Then we basically are afk

(Nighthold memes)

[gilded pawn]

smoke break

[restive peak]

Poor DHs and augury man

Shit was like 30% of their dmg lmao

Pretty sure they had that happen like 3 patches in a row with diff items too

[mild ravine]

guys, is it a problem to ravager before reck?

[eager mulch]

Yes because u lose dmg and rage generation from first tick of it- is my understanding

Theres a macro you can find in the discord info that makes it autodrop on your feet

If its a placement time thing youre worried about

[oblique trail]

That's just DH in general with external damage sources

They've notoriously been dependant on that

[mild ravine]

thank you.

[last trench]

Anyone know the DPS hit you take from running Single-Minded Fury?

[oblique trail]

More than if you just don't bother talenting it

(iirc)

[radiant plank]

six

[polar needle]

I've been mulling over why arms is considered better than fury, and was curious what everyone elses take on it came down to. If the overall data has fury coming in a tad higher for damage, and the survivability / healing is better, why is arms considered the better for M+ right now?

[mild ravine]

arms dmg isnt capped

.

[granite crown]

Meta reads for M+ is not based on "overall data", it's based on the potential damage in the highest keys. Fury is mostly hardcapped to 5 targets, Arms isn't. That's basically all you need to know

[young tendon]

there are some keys i like fury more

like ToP, mechagone if tank doesn't go big pulls

[granite crown]

Fury will be viable even up to title-keys probably

[young tendon]

everything is viable for your weekly 10s

[eager mulch]

Arms also has added benefit of being able to taunt and dbs to tank mobs to help debuffs reset on tank etc (if theres things like that in TWW like Legion did)

[young tendon]

prob is for higher lvls

but i do play more demo arms for keys and play thane for variety and ToP and mechagon

[junior gale]

Everything is viable for title keys as well just need people to play with

[polar needle]

So this is what throws me off I guess, when you say capped, demolish is 8 targets, blade storm 8, roar is 5, etc

so what part is uncapped besides like colossus smash?

[junior gale]

Soft capped not hard capped

Fury is hard capped

[polar needle]

so i guess im lost there also... cause whirlwind is all targets, with a soft cap of 8 also

[mild ravine]

meaning, fury wont do dmg beyond 5 targets, arms you'll do reduced dmg

[polar needle]

vs what the improved just being the +4 ?

[chrome plover]

improved whirlwind is hard capped to 5

yes

[mild ravine]

well, firstly, most people don't even use WW since most are playing MT in keys

[eager mulch]

Also ww doesnt do dmg

It makes you aoe with your other abilities

[polar needle]

ya and using the clap

[mild ravine]

and the whole thing about WW is the meat cleaver

[chrome plover]

what overall data has fury doing higher overall than arms in keys

just went on that mythicstats website and while neither spec is particularly high, arms is quite a bit higher on both avg and top

[polar needle]

ya think that sums up the issue though, especially in runs where you've got someone pulling generously

vs. the lower keys/crummier runs where fury might shine as ppl do like 1 pack at a time kinda stuff

makes sense now, ty

[mild ravine]

and its not that big of a deal, you get smaller overall, but your pior and st are better

[modest condor]

fury is actually worse in lower keys because it's both easier to pull big without danger and trash dies fast so the more bursty specs will be higher

[mild ravine]

the top warrior right now plays fury only

[shrewd magnet]

noxiv?

[fresh creek]

Guys when do we make the swap from frenzy enrage to power enrage (names can be wrong)

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/zyzz-uptempo-zyzz-fist-bump-gif-25235668

[ionic bone]

Is this accurate? we never run windsinger and only skipper ?

[sudden tusk]

legendary is better with giga haste

windsinger without full bis

[ionic bone]

thunder for ST ?

[potent thicket]

slayer

[sudden tusk]

ill be real i dont know i just put the stat gem in and afked the ring

hpefully ill replace it soon

[chrome plover]

fathom/stormbringer/windsinger simmed better for me at the end of week 1

havent simmed it since

but the diff between any combination of those 5 is probably very minimal

[restive glen]

do you guys think paying the raidbots premium is worth or no?

im not too crazy a player to be doing sims every single day like some streamers. I just do it to figure out best gems and vault decision

[chrome plover]

kind of hard to make that decision for you

I pay for raidbots premium

[ionic bone]

thunder gem

[potent thicket]

ahy mb

[pure hornet]

anyone has any idea what he is talking abt?

[thorny pond]

Wall is generally refered to your big defensive CD just like we call interrupt kick which is a rogue ability. Probably the source of confusion

[undone flower]

Maybe he thought you were prot

[pure hornet]

it was in pvp

[radiant plank]

Enraged regen

[eager mulch]

Best u can do is enraged regen and or macro swap sword and board for shield block

[timber hare]

can swap to defensive stance aswell

[eager mulch]

That was a given to me- my b

[thorny pond]

Yeah just wanted to write especially in pvp Wall is just "use a big defensive"

[oblique trail]

You legit never will be in a position where swapping to shield block is the play

[warm crag]

Who the fuck does that lmao

[oblique trail]

It's just unpruning from a while back that made both DPS specs have it, even if it'll never be used

You will be tankier keeping your 2handers on, and either kiting if a tank dies, or pop enraged regen and hope you live and sustain

[eager mulch]

Im a returning player- I was just thinking about what they could mean by wall

Back in cata ot was a thing but we also had shieldwall and disarm relied on the swap to a degree

[warm crag]

Wall just means ER here or whatever 30% u have access to

[iron portal]

Basically, Wall=major defensive

it is term heavily used in PvP scene

Bot not exclusively

[eager mulch]

Ive been out of that scene since bfa s1 when I stopped

[warm crag]

Wall is a pretty common pve term ye

[eager mulch]

Im only a week deep back

[runic cypress]

He says you hit the wall, you're behind your prime, you will never be young again

[mild ravine]

The very one

[eager mulch]

Bruh I was like 13 playing BC- I blinked - and now I'm 32

[runic cypress]

It's literally joever for you when you hit the wall, give up don't bother trying

[clever belfry]

@oblique trail

balls

[eager mulch]

I thought you @'d him just to say balls ngl

[sudden tusk]

@oblique trail balls

il be real i completely missed the context for balls

[runic cypress]

It doesn't make a bit of difference guys

The balls are inert

[modest condor]

dende's gone

[still ibex]

Isn't it included in our BiS sim list?

[warm crag]

ppl are replacing it with hc ilvl rings

sim your character

[sudden tusk]

im gonaa replace it with something good from one armed for sure

heavy vers mas ring

on god

[warm crag]

we had a hc mast/haste roulette wheel drop and it was a dps loss over what i had

hmmge

[sudden tusk]

im thinkin more long term

[warm crag]

idk is there even a bis roulette wheel

[sudden tusk]

since mug neck/gally ring have ungoldy amounts of mastery, and even if you get like a keg in vault for M+ we have a crazy amount of mastery

tho ill be playing arms most the season for keys so its w/e

[warm crag]

u just dont play mugzee neck if u get gally neck ye

gally ring

[sudden tusk]

haste/mas cinder neck is better

for fury

but our gear just has a ton of mastery on it

[warm crag]

i need to sim how much jastor is for me with richard resonanz neck

[sudden tusk]

its prob pretty close tbh

if you get likc rick neck/boots

instead of cinder neck and vers mas boots idk

bis lists are mega weird

[warm crag]

die best in slot list die

[quiet breach]

is normal mode jastor better than anything u can get in m+?

[fickle cedar]

yep

[gilded pawn]

i would say yeah

the cheapest version is 3 a month

you sim at least 4 times a month for vault

so thats 75 cents a sim

[ripe carbon]

Hey, so I am doing a little log review of my raid, and using the compare feature on warcraft logs.... In the log I am comparing to has more rampage casts than I do, but my rampage dps is higher, does that mean I am playing correctly? I was kinda thinking it might be because I am stacking Slaughtering Strikes after BS before Rampage, causing me to cast less rampages for higher dps.

[oblique trail]

Have only had this be true on Arms

Yet to see a single ring beat it as Fury yet

[gilded pawn]

not sure, thats a small part of your overall rotation

theres really not much context to this

what about rage overcap

and such

or you could just have higher ilevel than him

[ripe carbon]

He has 2 ilvl on me, let me dig a little deeper into logs.... i swear the only time im going over on rage would be when I am stacking SS

nvm , he has 10k more haste than I do

[warm crag]

exploding

[ruby yew]

10K? are you running no haste on fury?

[ripe carbon]

Im telling what the sims are telling me , idk... i do have like no haste tho

8k

he had 18k

[ruby yew]

ah i see

[heavy sparrow]

How to solve fury mass aoe, just soft cap cleaver instead of hard

[edgy widget]

and then nerf it by 30%!

[heavy sparrow]

Full damage would be too much, but soft should be fine

Just tune the %

If half is too much just make it 30%

[ripe carbon]

im in a pretty casual heroic guild atm, so I don't have access to a ton of gear outside of mplus, i know I am most likley miles outside of optimization, but I do what I can

[edgy widget]

"how to solve Fury aoe - just buff Fury AoE"

[humble plover]

massive brain

[sudden tusk]

target cap

[eager mulch]

Give us OF back 👀

Like the real one from legion, not this one

[rare garnet]

Big if true

[restive peak]

Fr if they give us 8 target they have to nerf meat cleaver considerably

[clever belfry]

they reallyw

[restive peak]

And then people would complain about our raid cleave

[clever belfry]

wouldnt

[heavy sparrow]

They could also significantly buff thunder clap and especially thunder blast

But that would only work for thane

[restive peak]

Bro they give us 8T with current cleaver and we giga fuck so hard

[heavy sparrow]

I think clap needs a buff anyway though, it fell off compared to raging blow and blood

[humble plover]

good

[heavy sparrow]

Because they both got buffed multiple times but clap was not touched

[edgy widget]

shhh you're ruining the narrative!

[restive peak]

Lmao

[heavy sparrow]

8 is better than 5 that's for sure

[edgy widget]

8 > 5 hmm... yep math checks out

[humble plover]

i dont believe it. we dont do math

[heavy sparrow]

But what if it's 8/80 vs 5/60?

[hollow elk]

raise wirldwind buff to 8 targets so we are at least hitting half the things in a fucking tripple pull instead of just 5

[heavy sparrow]

Seriosly though, i think hard caps in general are just pretty bad

[gentle walrus]

Too much math.

[heavy sparrow]

Unless you really fuck on those few targets but that's another issue

[spare steppe]

why are folks unhappy with the cap when we have good prio damage?

[edgy widget]

On a serious note though, current tuning may always be hit or miss

but what they're actually trying to do is more distinct niches, variety between specializations

• last season's Fury was big burst AoE with nothing outside of it; contrasting with Arms which was strong prio/2tar and not much cleave/aoe
• this season it's strong prio & low target cleave, without as much burst AoE; contrasting with Arms' strong sustained multitarget

none of which are really bad, only indicative that they don't really seem to know what they want each spec to do right now, as they keep flipping them back and forth

[hollow elk]

maybe if our 5 target was the best and not mid compared to other classes that have 5 and higher cleave

[heavy sparrow]

Honestly, fury on 5 targets does good damage, but... I don't think it's good enough to justify the hard cap

[hollow elk]

if any pull this season was 5 targets and not like 12.

[edgy widget]

that's the other problem, and something Blizz has gone back and forth on alot (remember BfA/SL when they insisted pulls should be smaller and started adding LT's everywhere, vs now we have huge pulls)

[heavy sparrow]

If it were me i would slap a soft cap on cleaver, but put it at 30% instead of like half damage, or something

[spare steppe]

and as you go higher keys, the bigger the pulls

[heavy sparrow]

Still excels at low targets but not really bad at uncapped

[hollow elk]

reunor but the problem with that is that

nobody besides dummies give a fuck about 5 target dps

and i mean target dummies

not person dummies lol

[heavy sparrow]

I don't think that's accurate to be honest

[edgy widget]

it is a pretty stark contrast going from like ToP to Cinderbrew

[hollow elk]

you go to any 12+ key or higher and people are doing single pack pulls half the team is going to go ? at the tank

[heavy sparrow]

Yes but the whole game isn't just m+, and high keys

[hollow elk]

oh. okay

[south kayak]

They should nerf Unholy

[dull cloak]

hey, how u guy's are getting in key's? felling pretty down right now q for 12 and 13 :/

[edgy widget]

ngl a lot of their issues would be solved if they would find a way to curtail the absurdity of M+ mass pulls, but that's a hard thing to do and an even harder player mentality to break

[heavy sparrow]

There are situations where fury aoe excels like the second boss in amirdrassil, but in general i think hard caps are not the way to go

[hollow elk]

usually just run my own keys with 4 other friends lol

[edgy widget]

and they also could very well stand to cap more things, rather than uncap everything

unlimited systems always break shit

[south kayak]

They uncapped blood is life for Unholy Sanlayn

[heavy sparrow]

They tried, nobody will ever like curbing big pulls

[south kayak]

and now see what it's doing

just stupid

[edgy widget]

doesn't matter if they like it or not

[raven shell]

finaly returning to warrior after a few years

is there a big difference between arms and fury performance for raid and m+?

[edgy widget]

players never like anything

[heavy sparrow]

It kinda does

Since it's a game

[edgy widget]

they always find a way to whine about anything you do

games have limits for a reason lol

you gotta protect players from themselves lol

[heavy sparrow]

It's pretty clear when some people complain just for the sake of it, and a general trend

When they put hard caps on everything literally NOBODY liked it

[runic cypress]

I would have liked the dance studio

If it ever came out

[edgy widget]

they do, but my greater point is that players will always complain about something that is perceived to be a nerf, whether or not its healthier for them or the game as a whole

you can't solve that

[hollow elk]

what other classes are capped at 5 targets?

[edgy widget]

you just accept it and move on

[oblique trail]

Some fights favour one spec more than the other, but reasonably speaking except for perhaps Stix and Mugzee, you can play whichever of the two specs you want on Mythic

[narrow epoch]

would be interesting if they added special debuffs to packs, so u cant pull 2 different types of packs together or they get super buffed

[edgy widget]

that's bascially what they tried with LTs in BfA/SL, and it works... to a point

though it can feel very artificial

[narrow epoch]

im sure every tank would cry that they cant make up routs even tho most just copy paste

[feral ivy]

im looking at the i.o for my server and this dude is always highlighted anyone know why raider.io

[hollow elk]

he knows youre looking at him

[edgy widget]

honestly I would be fine with more linear dungeons anyway, the idea that there's some grand strategy to routing is make believe when 10% of them are made up by the same 3 people and the other 90% are obvious

The only time it mattered was when mob count actually shifted week to week, but Blizz got rid of that in a hurry because (surprise!) people complained about having to think about it

[hardy bluff]

raiderio premium probably

[south kayak]

If a spec like unholy exists, then you can look to uncap fury's aoe without any issues with it's performance in m+

[hardy bluff]

wclogs has a similar thing

[ruby yew]

Couldn't you simply do a proximity buff? 9+ adds are 5yrds less of each other they get +200% health and dmg, along those lines? That would discourage mass pulls pretty quickly. What am I missing?

[edgy widget]

of course you could, again that's basically what some LT mobs did in BfA/SL

[raven shell]

thanks. and in m+? cause i did read fury has massive problems if there are more then 5 targets

[south kayak]

They cap some specs and then introduce dungeons like this? This is fucked

[edgy widget]

"massive problems" is dramatically overselling it

[feral ivy]

mm thats what i thought lol

[edgy widget]

people always aggrandize shit

[chilly fractal]

Pride spawns….. fuck Pride

[oblique trail]

As for M+ you can basically read the above conversation and get the gist of it, but either spec can be played in M+ as well, however Arms due to its uncapped AoE is typically more favoured. Whether it's what makes you time a key faster or not, depends on the context of the dungeon and group

[chilly fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/pride-pulp-fiction-fucking-gif-18410778

[gilded pawn]

making dungeon more linear makes tanks a lot easier to learn

i couldnt learn tank in S1 SL because prideful makes routing and over/underpulling too stressful

[edgy widget]

Fury does absolutely fine in M+
some of the highest pushers even play Fury on purpose

[south kayak]

I don't think there's an argument for fury to be capped to 5 targets when there's specs like unholy, balance and who knows what else, especially in these keys this season

[ruby yew]

S-Tier meme. really 🤌

[hollow elk]

ive seen some insane cleaves and i always end up catching up in boss dmg and the smaller pulls following the big non elite pulls and such cuz its all minor damage on the long scheme of things

[edgy widget]

the argument is variety; differences are what make classes unique

yes, tuning is a concern, but the two can be solved individually

[chilly fractal]

Quoted this scene about every key I did SL season 1

[south kayak]

Tuning is definitely a concern but they rarely tune for m+

so unholy is gonna stay like this for entire season

just like enha did in s1

[hollow elk]

at least they arent nerfing us with heroic raid parses lol

[edgy widget]

but again, I would very much argue that given the choice, it's better for the game to cap more things, than to uncap more things

• uncapping more just exacerbates the problem - encouraging more mass pulls which lead to this creep in the first place
• capping more things, while "less fun" for people who just stare at DPS meters, reigns it in

[south kayak]

cap everyone to 5 targets

no more soft caps

[edgy widget]

I mean it doesn't necessarily need to be that stark either

[hollow elk]

they could just mess with dungeon packs and force them to only do 5 packs lol

[edgy widget]

again, differences are what makes classes (or specs in this case) unique

[south kayak]

Dungeons like priory existing doesn't help

[edgy widget]

but right now we have

• 5 target hard caps
• 5 target soft caps
• 8 target hard caps
• 8 target soft caps
• soft caps w/ sqrt scaling
• soft caps w/ full split damage
  etc

like we don't need 19 different versions of the same shit

but we don't necessarily need to go down to just one either

[ruby yew]

"like we don't need 19 different versions of the same shit"

Preach.

[edgy widget]

there's a middle ground in most everything lol

[ruby yew]

Also, we don't need to completely break an ability to "fix" a problem.

Still mad about OF.

[hollow elk]

is there any other specs that are stuck at 5 targets like fury is ?

[runic cypress]

You have to let it go man

You're too hung up about this

[hollow elk]

? its a conversation i dont know every class

[edgy widget]

and part of it is tuning too; one of the reasons Thane is better than Slayer in M+ is due to the fact that more of its multitarget damage comes from TBlast than Meat Cleaver

[ruby yew]

Isn't Outlaw BF hard-capped at 5 as well?

[flat river]

Yes but our niche is 5 targets and we don't even excel at that

[edgy widget]

it varies from spec to spec and even spell to spell, just like Fury isn't hard capped at 5 targets (only Meat Cleaver is), but I'm not here to talk about other classes

[edgy widget]

I'm not sure that's true in this patch, I think Fury very likely is at least among the top performers in sustained 5 target cleave (if such a situation actually existed)

[quiet breach]

then we get nerfed hard

[forest owl]

what gives with uhdk in keys, i was with one earlier and 1 minute im 50million damage above them on a pull and then they suddenly pop 100m dmg and are racing ahead lol

[ruby yew]

I agree. The "problem" is more with how the season is being played rather than the performance of the spec in its niche right? Back to the mass pull denegerate strat.

[gilded pawn]

8, and you "gain" damage for each target under 8

[flat river]

Big momma in floodgate

[edgy widget]

that's not just a sustained 5 target fight, for one

you've got multiple targets that sometimes like to fuck off somewhere, you've got a big ST damage amp phase

[hollow elk]

where all the 5 headed dragon raid fights at

[narrow epoch]

^

guna need a mythical creature patch

[edgy widget]

anyway, the real reason for all of this boils down to three principles

• differences are what make specs feel unique (for better or worse)
• tuning is never perfect, something is always going to be over or under the target point
• M+ design and player mentality both encourage constantly bigger pulls

[narrow epoch]

i do wish blizz could experiment a bit, instead of all the different classic discovery modes ect, just make a retail but with batshit themes that dont follow the story

just hey this mystical guy cast a curse on you go fight this mytical bs trickery

[ruby yew]

Is that a ToT reference?

[edgy widget]

SoD has done a pretty good job with that, some really cool ideas (within the context of vanilla anyway)

[flat river]

What i mean archi is that, why do us who are hardcapped at 5 targets get beat by classes who aren't hardcapped at 5 targets

[ruby yew]

So, buff Thunder Blast.
Got it. Off to the forums I go! lol

[south kayak]

The most egregious one i've seen is Firestorm from devoker

it doesn't have any sort of cap

[flat river]

In 5 target situations

[south kayak]

it's fully uncapped

Also blood is life beast from Sanlayn is also fully uncapped

[flat river]

Low chance to proc though

[south kayak]

even with it's low chance

it's still doing top 2 3 dps

still needs a big nerf

[young swan]

yeah blood beast double dipping is gross

[fervent yoke]

Gonna try to swap fury arms in raid this week. Would wow logs top parses be a good indicator what spec I should go for each fight? Idk if my guilds kill times are as good etc.

[hollow elk]

rare xantaga post

[young swan]

accumulates all shadow damage and then bursts uncapped

real fair

[south kayak]

^

[young swan]

in big pull season

[south kayak]

It needs to be soft capped to 8 or 5 targets

I don't see them changing this anyway

until next patch maybe

they don't tune for m+

[quiet breach]

once u get a charge of thunder blast u have 15 sec to use it B4 it expires right?

[south kayak]

Yes

[sullen dove]

[quiet breach]

if u don't use it for 12 seconds, but u get another charge then, does that original charge reset back to 15s

[crude jewel]

hello, sorry might be a stupid question but is there a wa tracking slaughtering strikes, or is it just 0 gain and u press rampage when rage capped?

[sullen dove]

didn’t mage and spriest get omega cut in some df season for being the meta by a gargantuan margin

[quiet breach]

press rampage when > 100 rage unless u have brutal finish

[south kayak]

They do but it's so rare idk

[sullen dove]

I mean if one tank is doing double the damage of any other tank would say that’s worth paying some attention to

surely

[south kayak]

I won't hold my breath for any m+ tuning any time soon

like UHDK is insane rn

and I don't see anything

[crude jewel]

ty

[ripe carbon]

@sullen dove we got omega smashed in every season of df for being too strong in mplus

[eager mulch]

In legion prot war dmg was nuts but we also had garbage survivability
Left us like that from nighthold to end of xpac

So idk lol

[inner dagger]

what makes abilities cleave in thane m+ build without using WW at all, cant seem to find it but i notice all the top key fury vids they never use WW

[south kayak]

Thunder Blast

Clap

it basically replaces WW

[young swan]

i only said you stack slaughtering outside of enrage after bladestorm

which is correct

[quiet breach]

thunder clap/blast gives u ww buff

[young swan]

or rather, the context of the conversation was only involving immediately after bladestorm, with brutal finish

[inner dagger]

oh i see the change i missed improved WW applies to thunderclap too

they shoulda changed the name

[sullen dove]

when did that ever happen

idk if warrior ever got touched because of m+

[ripe carbon]

no spriest

[raven shell]

conversation before i asked my first question?

[sullen dove]

we were like maybe good first half of s2 then aug came and gg

-1 dps slot for every group for 3 seasons after

[south kayak]

fury in s3 bfa

[sullen dove]

o xd

[inner dagger]

draught of souls fury

[sullen dove]

deserved???

[inner dagger]

[sullen dove]

abuse critter bug???

1shot bosses

that was funy

[south kayak]

is that psychic link

[sullen dove]

probably

[south kayak]

thoughts on uh dk

[quiet breach]

is DPS DK still dookie in raids or did post RWF balance fix that

[south kayak]

I don't think they're bad

They're just busted in m+

broken

nerf right now

[sullen dove]

dps and tank dks rise

[south kayak]

no

please

no

[sullen dove]

5 dk group

they got enough self sustain

[south kayak]

also the fact that Balance druid is doing well

[undone flower]

You called me ?

[south kayak]

is punishable by death

[oblique trail]

Before and during your question yes, but as mentioned, play either spec if you want, or try both and swap as necessary and based on what dungeon you're doing

[sullen dove]

do not let tettles have fun

[south kayak]

^

Based

not just tettles

all balance mains

blizzard actually uncappeed the blood beast this patch

[forest owl]

one minute you're miles ahead of the udk in your group then inside a gcd the dk is miles ahead of you

[undone flower]

Yeah but it’s random proc so casuals don’t usually see bdk top damage since everything dies too quick

[sullen dove]

apparently new dev evoker build i wanna try

[undone flower]

They cried over prot war

[sullen dove]

saw the poggers clickbaity thumbnail of kess doing like 17m sustained on a cinderbrew gigapull

might be fun to see firestorm do something for once

[undone flower]

First section of cinderbrew

[south kayak]

nah uhdks are above you even with no beast

[chilly fractal]

Blood Is Life

The meta this season is going to shape out to just be 5 Blood DKs pulling the whole dungeon

[edgy oasis]

Yep. We are doing great at ST but our aoe is dodge shit.

[undone flower]

Third boss (bee)

[south kayak]

They gotta gut this shit

fr

[sullen dove]

why does it do st damage too doe

that is braindead

[south kayak]

im telling you man, this is gonna be insane for higher keys

and mdi

if blizzard sees that, they're hotfixing it

during mdi

[sullen dove]

what if.5 bdks cant you split up and do 2 bosses at the same time

like 2 goes right 3 goes left fight beer boss and bee at the same time

surely time save

[undone flower]

For MDI sure, but idk about the usual bdk issue in higher keys

[south kayak]

I'm talking bout uhdk

not bdk

but yeah it needs a nerf for bdk too

[undone flower]

Oh yeah uhdk might be meta

It is the first spec I saw 40 m peak dps

[south kayak]

it wil be

no might

[undone flower]

There is still a .5 patch

[low folio]

i did see an undergeared uh dk doing as much damage as a fully geared ele shaman on massive pulls yesterday and i had no idea they were so strong until that

[south kayak]

yeah it's crazy

I'd be pissed if it doesn't get nerfed soon

[fading sky]

It suxx ib raid

Actually it aint bad

[south kayak]

it isn't bad

even if it was bad

that's nota good argument for it to broken in m+

[fading sky]

I know.

Its quite good in raid

Rwf is different than any1 else

Also just nerf the hero talent that makes uh stupid

[south kayak]

yeah exactly

[thick fossil]

For MDI, I can see it working. Actual live high keys, nah, tank will fall over trying to pull enough to max unholy. Considering WW and Mage saw such tiny nerfs, who knows or really cares anymore.

[fading sky]

Ww just got so lucky

Uh still awesome as alt. Imma play ib the 10-12 bracket with it

[low folio]

wheres the feral druid meta at, need them to be in the mdi

[undone flower]

The meta hivemind is still in the process to assimilate the info that feral is better than boomie

[thick fossil]

Boomie does it better.

They may even end up as the healer this MDI.

VDH, fire mage, Unholy DK (if not nerfed) or Warlock, and Shadow Priest. Disc Priest or Resto Druid for healer.

That's my guess for MDI

[undone flower]

Isn’t there new rules with most played things are banned ?

[summer quail]

no, that is break the meta

different thing

[tepid cedar]

bruh, last day to say bye bye to this kind of dps lol

[undone flower]

https://raider.io/events/mdi-the-war-within-season-2/rules#q2

[fading sky]

Kek next week its 5% less?

[summer quail]

huh

interesting

[tepid cedar]

yea like 5% st and maybe 14% aoe. i dont normally tank or well ever... but had to do it one time before reset lol

[random raptor]

When simming for M+, would it be better to do 5 targets 40 seconds or 1 minute instead of 5 minutes since packs don't last 5 minutes?

Something I've been thinking about

[fading sky]

Just sim st

[undone flower]

i do 5min ST, 5T and 10T but usually just listen to ST

[random raptor]

ST sims always uses Authority of the Depths, surely that can't be the answer for M+?

[fading sky]

I do

St dmg = good

[low folio]

Most likely would get more damage in dungeons with a different enchant

[random raptor]

Just curious because Noxiv uses Radiant Power, and my multitarget sims higher with other enchants

[glad coyote]

did the trinket buffs go in effect yet or is that tomorrow?

[random raptor]

Not that changing enchant will magically help me time these 14s but it's nice to know

[edgy widget]

M+ isn't really a ST environment, but most sims/guides use ST as a baseline because

• it's consistent
• guides/sims are more often applied to raiding than M+
• ST damage always matters

That said, you're correct - Depths is not the best choice for purely M+ content; Radiant or a stat embellishment (probably Vers) would be better raw damage due to how much more AoE there is

[random raptor]

Legend, thanks for that

[edgy widget]

fwiw, the guides do mention both, but it could probably go into more detail as to which/why

[eager mulch]

THE* legend

[coarse nest]

Radiant power users all the way!

[eager mulch]

I miss spamming ymiron until he says fuck me and fuck my mom

And then assorted other bleeped out things at the end about doing something to me with something else

[mossy fox]

[restive peak]

Attttta boiiiiii

[eternal sundial]

Tmy does 2.6 there smh

(pi freak)

[mossy fox]

honestly i didn't expect it to be r1

it just felt like a normal rng pull

[coarse nest]

Critness!!!!

[mossy fox]

it's actually an insane emote

[coarse nest]

So true

[gritty yoke]

congrats

[chilly fractal]

Insane, dude

[slim coral]

ez gg

[twin glacier]

if i reck charge in raid, why dont i get full rage?

[slim coral]

cause parry

[median kestrel]

can we see the noggenfogger dps in details?

nvm yeah

[feral ivy]

doing tier ?? on the boss is it better to have brann as dps or healer?

as tank

[deep bobcat]

hello guys do you know if i hold bladestorm for reck or do i just send every time its up?

[eager mulch]

5sec wait is worth, or if a mechanic wants you to have cds etc

[spiral ridge]

Dps

[feral ivy]

tyty

[eager mulch]

Archi's guides say a 5sec wait is ok (remember you can dump rage to get the reck cd up)

[fading sky]

No

Only 1 of the 2 summons shows

[glad coyote]

Lol more tuning but only tuning is shaman healing lol

[lucid thorn]

shaman heals needed to be better apparently

[warm crag]

who the fuck plays shaman healers

[lucid thorn]

my buddy eric

[rocky wharf]

depending on tomorrows vault, but thinking of crafting legs since hero track bracers dropped. thought process being time will past that ill have myth track legs or bracers by the time next craft comes available. thoughts?

[warm crag]

im guessing you have no access to gilded crests ye

[rocky wharf]

i have a few. enough for max craft. but just started pugging 10s this week

[warm crag]

why not craft mythic pant then

[rocky wharf]

true, havent done the math of how many gilded i need to upgrade current gear + 675 crests

[dense elbow]

Remember you don't upgrade HC track items. Just vault item and crafting

[chilly fractal]

why is your OH not upgraded?

run out of valor stones?

or champ track

[rocky wharf]

champ. think all tier is hero. everything else is lower

[clever belfry]

👑

[dense elbow]

gz

[subtle knoll]

Is depths best enchant for m+?

[warm crag]

self report as shaman player

[coarse nest]

SHAME-N

[bitter palm]

yeah and say hello to 2.15mil

[bitter palm]

yeah anda isnt fed guys!

https://tenor.com/view/pls-god-strike-this-individual-down-strike-down-god-kanye-kanye-cat-gif-9334290556842141514

[clever belfry]

bro i have ONE myth track tier piece

my co warrior has

FOUR

ofc i do more dmg tho @wooden parrot noob

[wooden parrot]

I did the most damage on the fuckin 0.2% wipe

then kill I'm a griefer

[bitter palm]

tmy is almost full myth 666 no crests spent thoughts

just get good ig

[clever belfry]

my worst pull

😎

[bitter palm]

i have 2 and i dont even raid 😎

(655 weapon)

[quiet breach]

boutta get my first tommorow

well, myth track piece

dunno if it will be tier

[chilly fractal]

Myth track weapon in my vault tomorrow

its gonna happen

just how it goes

[quiet breach]

u say that like that isn't one of the best things u can get

in ur vault

[chilly fractal]

there's 7 weapons out of M+

[quiet breach]

which u can only get hero track

unless u get it from vault

[fading sky]

Vault

[clever belfry]

😴

[bitter palm]

fed by the vault

[clever belfry]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3EmsxvwcHtf8ppaC7NmGgh

[quiet breach]

btw yall

[clever belfry]

my actual gear :real:

[quiet breach]

I crafted the wep last week

[bitter palm]

no way u sim

for that low

[clever belfry]

oh i was simming COL

[bitter palm]

ah colossus

[clever belfry]

LMAO

[bitter palm]

u outsim me by 250k as olo

colo

what is this build

what

[quiet breach]

or my last craft was the wep I mean, should I now craft the back or bracers next?

[clever belfry]

the king build

[bitter palm]

is this some bnadit tech

[quiet breach]

or should I save sparks for 2x wep

[bitter palm]

mbg ep massacre no cleave long sweep

[quiet breach]

I don't care about arms

[bitter palm]

gotta be some tech

[clever belfry]

no

i just simmed while i was changing spec

xdd

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tqguw7rnwLnt7kJDFqW9r1 here real simmus for armus

[sullen dove]

Improved sweepingge

[clever belfry]

i mean improve sweep

is mugzee lore yes

[river reef]

its over

[warm crag]

curve enjoyer

[kind mantle]

I used my first 2 sparks on waist and wrist so it could benefit my m+ tanking as well as fury raiding, should I save my next 2 sparks for 675 2hander or something else

[warm crag]

idk ur slightly cooked with that decisionmaking

you probably should hold and pray for a myth 2h from vault

[kind mantle]

Yea prob but I'm still top dmg (casual guild) so id rather have actual items on for 12s and beyond

[clever belfry]

just sit sparks

the crafts now are probably less important anyway

[nimble kraken]

there a cata charge tomorrow?

[silk wharf]

Should be spark.

I think

[nimble kraken]

I thought so, someone in guild said the other way and I was unsure

[silk wharf]

Though im all discombobulated with the extra quest so it might be reversed.

[hardy bluff]

nah they were synced before

so now its spark into catalyst

[quiet breach]

this is my character. I will be able to get another full spark tomorrow. what should I craft with it? or should I wait to get 2 sparks and get a second weapon?

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/area-52/iskus/

if not wep, bracers or cloak?

I would think it wouldn't be good to craft a second weapon cuz I can get BiS from dinar once we get one of those. I have no clue when we get a dinar though

[silk wharf]

I'm torn if I should just craft legs. Still wearing last seasons...

Maybe I'll just get a no question mythic weapon in my vault and craft legs. Surely.

[fickle cedar]

craft bracers 658 with the double embelish using the free crest craft

[warm crag]

you should probably not craft a second weapon but sim yourself

you should also probably not assume you can gear around dinars

[quiet breach]

u can't craft mythic ilvl bracers?

[fickle cedar]

its a bit of a waste for now, you could use 60 gilded for that but its a minor piece, its better if you improve something else

[warm crag]

you can but its a questionable use of your gilded crests

[quiet breach]

is there a reason none of the other pieces like legs that that guy was talking about are even listed on the wowhead guide?

that u can craft

[silk wharf]

You still need a spark

[quiet breach]

apparently u can craft every slot at mythic ilvl if u have enough sparks

[warm crag]

you can but crafted is -3 ilvls from the track its at

[quiet breach]

or almost mythic ilvl ig

[warm crag]

optimally you just cram your crafted pieces into cloak and wrist and stuff cause its lowest budget and run mythic stuff everywhere else

but you do not have optimal gear yet so you should probably craft a mythic offpiece or smth

[quiet breach]

is the wowhead guide basically assuming the person will eventually have mythic liberation of undermine on farm?

[warm crag]

the wowhead guide doesnt assume shit it just literally lists a highest simming gearset

if you want to copy it you do need to be in extremely deep farm to get every piece

[lucid thorn]

I'll pray for you bro

[warm crag]

but most of us are gearing around solving some problem like pushing keys or killing a hard mythic boss so the bis list is kind of useless to most of us

[quiet breach]

bet so do u think I should just craft whatever gives me the biggest dps increase right now with my spark?

even if its not wep bracers or back

I think its unlikely I kill more then the first few bosses on mythic this season

[lucid thorn]

I would do just craft whatever gives you the biggest number, but that's the words of a guy who won't make into myth raid because I have no desire to

so grain of salt

[warm crag]

ye probably idk

you can probs go sim if 2x craft wep sims higher than craft wep + bis but you need to get a bis for that

[wanton mirage]

anyone has trouble login in ?

[restive peak]

Get off Illidan people

[lucid thorn]

piratesoftware probably ddosing the servers because sodapoppin wouldn't give him the time of day

[restive peak]

I legit have zero issues on Sargeras when this shit goes down unless I'm in my illidan guilds raid group lol

[lucid thorn]

Mal'ganis never has problems

[wanton mirage]

i can't get even to character selection

[lucid thorn]

Oog

Oof

[turbid gate]

is there any way to check who burned the most trash on mythic stix bunkjunker on logs?

[dense elbow]

No DDOS required, when he knows everyone working there. He just asks them to pull the plug directly.

[lucid thorn]

Need a roach emote specifically for him

[silk wharf]

hey, gotta give it up to Soda. He managed to successfully siphon more than half his viewers into OF then have a reason to just toss him aside.

[old patio]

at how much crit % should u usually bt?

[silk wharf]

I do it at 3 stacks of bloodcraze as per the guide. No clue if that's optimal in every situation as I haven't looked into it further.
3 stacks puts me at 80% with a set buff and 100% with reck.

[eternal compass]

quick question about the vault if i want to get gally loot lets say do i have to kill it or 6 other bosses is ok too

[silk wharf]

Nope, just Gally

that will unlock his and all previous bosses loot in the same or lower difficulties for your vault.

[warm crag]

apl does this

so >85% before execute and in execute you apparently want to care abt 2 bloodcraze stacks idk that line is weird

[wise canyon]

Mugzee lives…

Sadgers

Too many grey logs

[eternal compass]

ok so if i get 6 bosses on heroic but i kill gally on normal i cannot get gally loot on hero track?

[silk wharf]

Correct.

[honest sundial]

because of VC talent

[eternal compass]

got it thank you

[warm crag]

if youve killed hc gally before you can otherwise you cant

[silk wharf]

Oh yes, once youve killed a boss on a difficulty it unlocks that loot forever

So one H Gally kill and then never again will still have his loot able to be in your vault forever.

[warm crag]

why 2 bloodcraze

[honest sundial]

because bloodthirst is stronger in execute with VC talented so you don't need it to crit as much as you need it when it's weaker to justify pressing it

[unkempt goblet]

Hey guys anyone can share a spell reflect chat announcer?

[warm crag]

why is it not calculated with the bt crit chance instead yknow simc does have access to that info

[honest sundial]

idk, that's question to Orange

[warm crag]

i dont think you know what you're talking about

[honest sundial]

huh

ok

[sudden tusk]

Listen shit does big dam becuase we STACK damage amps on it

[sullen dove]

is that a copypaste

[warm crag]

I hope it is

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/feixiao-hsr-honkai-star-rail-gif-7054801957826667690

[sullen dove]

it being 3 different lines makes me think otherwise

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/711337973274378270/1351661682044305564/MVSNG.gif

[sudden tusk]

im gonna eat you @sullen dove

[sullen dove]

[warm crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/711337973274378270/1351661979298697226/ezgif-12920d43fa19c4.gif

[sudden tusk]

ill be real i read like the last 2 lines of the convo and typed some bullshit

what was the actual question

[sullen dove]

it was more just the like specific wording of "The Fierce Followthrough Hero Talent"

its a verified ahh yes moment

but ig pre execute u only hit bt at 85% crit or higher and in execute hit it at 2vc

which i mean idk it prolly just does more than raging blow at around then

raging blow mid die blow up perish

[warm crag]

Why 85% crit hard number conditional but vc line care abt arbitrary amt of bloodcraze

[sudden tusk]

assuming with 2 stacks of BC its around like 50% for most people which is statistically better or some shit

does seem weird its not a crit number and just 2 bc tho

[warm crag]

Thats what im saying !!!!! Chat kill madox

[sullen dove]

jarvis collect his balls

https://tenor.com/view/kaeya-kaeya-alberich-gif-26819134

[bitter palm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1205973686264266793/1273573263980625920/1722433661123.gif

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/northernlion-nl-hammers-beat-him-beat-gif-7823471197919175037

[warm crag]

@gleaming siren Hit him with utter woke nonsense please

I dont have nitro

[sudden tusk]

also i typed that way becuase then if someone asks me what that even is i can just tell them to search it on the talent list

[sullen dove]

real

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/zenless-zone-zero-zzz-pulchra-pulchra-felini-blushed-gif-12565541492130222216

new fotm wife aquired

[sullen dove]

trigger inc

clapplebees

[craggy raptor]

I always wonder why mortal strike from rav cleaves and bt doesnt. Isnt it supposed to work similar?

[sudden tusk]

i dont know what that is i just saw a gif of a raccon clapping saying they are going to applebees

[sullen dove]

ms doesnt sweep in rav no

[warm crag]

Unhinged doesnt cleave for either spec

[sudden tusk]

was a bug i think got fixxed supposidly. MS never cleaved it just gave you additional colossal might stacks as if it was cleaving

[craggy raptor]

Well then why it doest cleave at all

[warm crag]

It would be very broken ya

[craggy raptor]

I think when was prepatch for tww it got cleave isnt it?

[warm crag]

Ye it did

[sudden tusk]

Uninged cleaving was removed in beta sadly

it owned

also made slayer BS way nicer in keys with reap

[craggy raptor]

I just came into retail recently since prepatch and didnt play arms, but i was wondering why arms getting like7-8 stacks of colossus might almost on pull

[sudden tusk]

you get them pretty fast

and with more crit you get even more

walk into pack Cleave 1 stack. Sweeping strikes crit ms on both 5 stacks. ravager tick ms, 6 stacks is possible

[craggy raptor]

Oh it count both crits from sweeping gotcha

[sudden tusk]

yuh

even a non crit is 2 stacks from both hits

[dapper goblet]

madox for yellow

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/northernlion-northern-lion-nl-point-gif-10596570063573072867

[clever belfry]

madussy

[steady harness]

what kind of overall damage are you guys getting in keys 10+

[sullen dove]

pretty comfy like 2.5m+ depends lot on dungeon and tank pulls doe

[left perch]

who for what

[clever belfry]

guys

mr lock n stalk

is a bl@ster

look at this goat

[modest condor]

signet brand did like twice that

i sleep

[left perch]

it’s even better with buff

[full portal]

Is the noggenfogger trinket sim bait?

[modest condor]

yes

the add it spawns can die

[clever belfry]

wtf?????

(my dogshit program doesnt have shadowed text

also im using the wrng font

shut up

[feral ivy]

lets gooooo

[left perch]

way better than my remix phone version

[clever belfry]

its good enough i think

for a shit joke

[merry pewter]

Don't we wait for 3+ bc according to the guides? So confused lol 😆

[manic gulch]

i need some help, i think i'm confused

[sudden tusk]

if you have 2 charges of RB use RB first then BT in execute

[manic gulch]

isn't reck, avatar pre charge supposed to get you enough rage to cast rampage instantly when you reach your target ?

[chrome plover]

sometimes

[sudden tusk]

if your sequence is correct yes

if your macro sequencing is wrong then no

[manic gulch]

how

with reck charge gives 40 rage

and avatar gives 20

60 in total

you need 80 for rampage

i'm definitely confused

break it down for me please

[sullen dove]

mark let me break it down for you

[manic gulch]

because i remember that being the case but i cant do it on the dummy

[sullen dove]

idk just like you insta melee when you touch the boss presumably

[merry pewter]

Ah ok. So out of execute we wait for 3+ bc before we bt yea?

[sudden tusk]

Reck cast gives avatar from talent so you get 20 rage from the avatar activation. Avatar gives an additional 20 rage from manually casting it. Charge gives 40 rage = 80 rage on pull

thats all assuming you have reck up doubling the rage gain if you have reck in your macro FIRST

[manic gulch]

what are the odds of the second avatar activation being bugged and not giving rage currently ?

i do cast reck first

[sudden tusk]

if you dont wait for combat to start

you lose rage on pull

so you can't pre build resource for bosses

[manic gulch]

ok something is off

reck avatar charge

gets me exactly ast 79 rage

[sudden tusk]

yeah

you degen a rage not in combat

[chrome plover]

get in combat first

[sudden tusk]

so your first melee

[chrome plover]

you degen 1 rage instantly

[manic gulch]

oh

[sudden tusk]

will give it to you

but if no combat you defen 1

[manic gulch]

holy

that was it

thanks guys

you unconfused me

[chrome plover]

that's what we're here for (usually)

[feral ivy]

how many shard we suppopse to have 2 full sparks and a half or just 2 full sparks?

[chrome plover]

5 shards

2 full sparks and 1 half

[feral ivy]

whats the half spark called? i dont have it

[chrome plover]

fractured spark of fortunes i think

either theres a quest at catalyst or you need to do one of the weekly quests

[feral ivy]

mkk tyty

[bitter palm]

very broken indeed

[clever belfry]

Tbf

for slayer with reap

itd be very silly

[sullen dove]

eh i mean

just like 3 reaps in a bs or somethin

not that crazy

[graceful dock]

2 regular rings instead of circlet sims a fair bit higher for me in the dungeon slice sim, is this a case where i shouldnt listen to the sim and continue using circlet in m+?

[thick elbow]

Do you think blizzard will raise our aoe cap

[thorny pagoda]

when we have execute and bt meets the requirement, we are not pressing rampage even if we are rage capping in recklessness right?

[oblique trail]

Yeah in the future, will see you when they do