fury

[dense elbow]

Fury killing bosses makes overall of everyone go up shrug
Fury is doing its job

Flat is just boring

[tepid cedar]

They were just top bc I didn’t log my 13 😂😂😂

[clever belfry]

gooner

[dense elbow]

OF buffs when, man

[tepid cedar]

It is funny though, quite enjoyable finishing bosses with over 2 mil and the aoe peasants at 1.3 😂😂

[dense elbow]

Not even 2.5? Slacker

[tepid cedar]

Hahaha

[wintry sundial]

Why are we talking about key parses in here that is the most cursed shit ever lmao

[tepid cedar]

Don’t get me wrong I’m enjoying fury. But I hatred being target capped bc it really slows downs keys imagine if we were slamming, he’ll even 8 targets

[tepid cedar]

Some ppl don’t like it, but I enjoy parsing keys. Helps figure out want to do and not to do on certain pulls

[dense elbow]

If we do more sustain AoE, our ST should go down tho

AoE burst for fun and WoW 😲 factor is ok

Giving us 4 sec of looking opop will help ppl believe we are strong

Just see s1

[tepid cedar]

And we all know parsing keys helps us carry pugs on Stix 😂😂😂😂😂

[velvet obsidian]

Correct. Only mages get to be good at everything

[tepid cedar]

Wonder how much the mage nerfs and WW nerfs are going to really affect them. Seems super minor

[velvet obsidian]

About as much as Demo's 3% aura buff is going to save them from the bog.

[tepid cedar]

😂

[azure holly]

watching critcake rn, he uses roar before BS in ST opener, how come?

it feels more logical to do imo, but Archi's guide says to do it like this instead

[warm crag]

its roughly the same damage it doesnt matter

maxroll recommends the roar opener and historically we've done the roar opener so its just more comfy

[azure holly]

sounds good, I can sleep well doing that opener then

[modest condor]

technically the biggest dps is using roar outside of cooldowns, but as spongie said the difference is small

[azure holly]

yeah seeing as the opener happens once in usually over 5 minutes it must be like 0.1% loss

[flat river]

Question, do we use rampage whenever we get enough rage or what

[flat river]

For anger management i feel like its the play

[young swan]

this is what i do

[azure holly]

something that's been bugging me - where do you draw the line on using BT in cleave for the exec amp?

like if you have 4 targets and 2 are below 35%, would you BT over RB?

[modest condor]

i bt on 4 targets regardless

[azure holly]

I'd love to see some of these thresholds, Archi's guide don't really have any

[tepid cedar]

Just look up the simc app code

That’s the best source to really understand

[azure holly]

the APL?

[tepid cedar]

Apl*

[warm crag]

i dont think the simc apl properly optimizes that rn

havent looked for a while

[azure holly]

despair

I'd rather live in ignorane than try and learn the APL

[warm crag]

at least the slayer fury one was sussy

[modest condor]

on any target over 1, prioritising bt is at most a 0.2% loss, so i just always prioritise bt on aoe

[tepid cedar]

Makes sense last time I looked at it it was descriptive but I didn’t see any crazy min max optimizations

[azure holly]

cool, good to know

[modest condor]

it starts overtaking at 6 targets and only gets better from then on, but since the loss is so small i just dont really bother keeping track of target count

[azure holly]

mhm and if any targets are under 35% it immediately becomes worthwhile or evens out I guess

[modest condor]

possibly, i havent looked into that

[azure holly]

one more question, is it worth using exec more frivolously to stack up Juggernaut?
seeing as exec is low prio unless it is to consume 3 marked stacks or if Juggernaut's about to expire

[warm crag]

the famous silm ghost ping

[modest condor]

no

[eternal sundial]

@warm crag 👻 1️⃣ 🔴

[warm crag]

[eternal sundial]

Huzz

Herzzz

[runic cypress]

RB ends up being higher then Rampage in Damage done

Am i dumb

[clever belfry]

no this does happen

sprocket full night moment

(BT looks lower than expected cause <35 represents a lower amount of total data than youd see on a singular kill)

[fading sky]

Rb slaps

And buffs everythin

[runic cypress]

hmm

[edgy widget]

the sheer amount of RB exclusive buffs is just plain stupid

[hardy bluff]

anyone can link me to the bloothirst wa? too stupid to find it rn

[warm crag]

#updates-midnight

[hardy bluff]

ty

[iron portal]

Anyone else seems to have Warcraftlogs screwed on PC? Cleared caches and cookies, try incognito but still it is showing incomplete page

[serene oar]

Any macro for best in slots with avatar, that makes it never start the channel/cast?

[hardy bluff]

[combat]

[trim plume]

noob question, for thane, do i spam TC or just when it becomes TB

in keys

[hardy bluff]

[combat] does it

[olive wraith]

Just when it goes into tb and when you need cleave stacks

[warm crag]

ya this is not true

/use [combat] 16

[jaunty hull]

ah okay

[warm crag]

change the number based on whic hand

[jaunty hull]

sorry boss

[serene oar]

16 =mh 17= oh?

[warm crag]

idk probably

[serene oar]

tyty

[jaunty hull]

thought he wanted to say that being incombat does the trick

[jaunty hull]

this is an answer that actually helps with his problem yea but just a simple combat in boxes doesnt really help if you dont know what it means like me

[clever belfry]

u like spoons or forks more

[dense elbow]

Sporks

[vapid mulch]

is anyone having trouble with rik?

we keep having ranged pylon spawning on us in melee

like the pylon hovers above ranged, and then just spawns on us in melee

[sullen dove]

my god the xalatath affix is dogshit in darkflame cart part

[sullen dove]

also happened to us when we're out killing adds

im assuming it just sorta targets people "away from the boss"

whether ranged or not

cuz i cant imagine any reason why a range would be standing directly on top of our barrels

cringe either way

shitty fight

[vapid mulch]

yes the mechanic says so - it sapwns on anyone out of range of boss

but we literally have mit spawning on melee whilst we're hittignthe boss

as well as the melee one

like this cannot be?

im not tallking about rets and UHs hitting it from 10 yards away

[sullen dove]

o idk that should be less likely

unless rangewd are like rly too close or something idk

[vapid mulch]

it's spawning literally on our warrs etc

we check logs no ranged in position its just spawning on our melee

[quiet breach]

what happens to the melee it spawns on

[forest owl]

am i wrong in assuming you want to hit BT as much as possible <35%? i was checking another warriors logs i know and he was having almost 20s gaps between BT casts during execute with VC

[barren stone]

we do only wanna kinda hit with with 2+ stacks of BC

to at least have some chance of criting while also buffing rampage just in case we dont crit

i think thats the idea

but some ppl seam to just spam it and still get away with it?

but yea Starege

[smoky vale]

key time surely

[vestal ledge]

i dont know if i missed it but im unsure what my crafted weapon substats shoude be

[warm crag]

that conditional is only to put it above rampage

oh wait

ye no ur right

need to edit my bt wa ig

[barren stone]

yea i know i have been over the apl for ages now to think why ppl spam BT and it made me so crazy and i think i checked that shit like 3h

but im not crazy i do what the apl wants me to do but ppl get away with just spaming it it seams like

in some scenarios its even better i feel like just to gamble on a crit

[spare steppe]

so its still >85% crit even below 35%?

[warm crag]

no, check the topmost highlighted conditional

[barren stone]

no we ignore 85%

we just send it

at 35%

"send" (still with 2 stacks of BC)

[spare steppe]

ah and bloodcraze at 2

[barren stone]

ye

[warm crag]

i mean technically the 85% conditional can still happen

[barren stone]

just to have some failsave build in if we dont crit

yea ofc if you get unlucky

[warm crag]

tierset + reck + natty crit + 1 bloodcraze should be enough

idk man just get a proper bt weakaura and have it play the game for u

[spare steppe]

but not just spam BT, missed that part of the prio

[barren stone]

yea but on the other side if you spam BT you seam to be just fine as well

[spare steppe]

the "or vicious contempt when <35%" is what got me

[barren stone]

yea the apl is jsut a bit more accurate

[spare steppe]

which makes sense. easy change to adjust to

cheers

[barren stone]

np

[cobalt kernel]

how legal is dropping depths and one point of deft exp for 2 points in vc for first 3?

[modest condor]

already calling the police on you

i mean you can do it, but there's a reason one of the builds is the suggested one and the other isnt

[brisk cobalt]

New to warrior here, how bad is single minded fury if your only weapon options are 2x 1h @ 658 ilvl or 2x 2h @ 645 ilvl

[cobalt kernel]

true. maybe im just a d1 hater of depths afterall

[warm crag]

@modest condor do you know why some apl conditionals ask for a certain crit chance and others ask for bloodcraze stacks

[modest condor]

my guess would be that it may be possible your crit is low enough that you're not hitting 85%, so the bloodcraze stacks is there as a failsafe

[warm crag]

the VC line doesnt ask for a crit chance at all

[warm crag]

.

[modest condor]

i think at that point you're no longer looking for a certain crit % but rather just a point where bt outperforms rb and that happens at 2 stacks

idk

it may also be that both lines were writting by different people, or they didnt bother to check for a % for the top line, idk

[clever belfry]

why would BC and the tier set function differently in the "make perform better" camp

[modest condor]

idk man i didnt write those lines i dont know who did, im just trying to think of reasons

im sure it can be optimized

[tepid cedar]

how long has this archon addon been a thing. i logged in and saw i could isntall it and this comes up on the tooltip. this is actually pretty damn nifty. does it work for M+ as well? would be awesome for M+ pugging

[vestal ledge]

Do we go vers/mastery on crafted weapon?

[tepid cedar]

sim it. theres no right or wrong answer. becuase all of out stats and items are deifferent

[vestal ledge]

Okay

[warm crag]

most ppl just use the rio addon for this i believe

but also looking for average logs is a bit psychotic

oh nvm you also have the rio addon

ye idk the average log statistic is 100% useless for m+

[tepid cedar]

not really spongie. how many players have u played witht hat are 3200+ io ( being sarcastic on number buttt) and they bveen dogwater

[radiant plank]

Sarri needs no reason to write the lines he writes

[radiant plank]

all of them

[warm crag]

a lot

logs are not that much more indicative of m+ skill either

[tepid cedar]

exactgly. when i got r1 back in DF. all of it was pugging. and i acutally used logs to help pick ppl.

[radiant plank]

Also whats complicated with those bt lines im confused

[tepid cedar]

and we all know IO sint neither. atleast u can scheck a log and see if they paid 5 mil gold for +10s or acutally played them

[ebon junco]

real gamers speed run delves for weekly vault

[warm crag]

i didnt fill my delve vault last week (or this week)

[radiant plank]

8x underpins ez vault

[warm crag]

i can also just do 0x underpins

[radiant plank]

this os why tmy has 164 warriors at max gear whilst ur main isnt even at 670 yet smh my head

[summer quail]

lowkey as prot that shit is piss easy

[tepid cedar]

prot and dps brann and assign kick the bomb to a button vs clicking and its idiot proofed lol

[summer quail]

yuh

[tepid cedar]

i spent about 45 minuted on fury diying to the dum,best stuff or rushing bombs

[ebon junco]

i have 0 gear

[tepid cedar]

1 attempt as prot and got it lol

[radiant plank]

arent u like 668 ilvl

[tepid cedar]

spongie has GM powers. he spawned 698 gear bro

[warm crag]

im maybe 5% as geared as tmy

10% as geared as banezi and anda

[fading bane]

@warm crag what % of me 😈

[warm crag]

100.12%

[ebon junco]

666

[sonic magnet]

is the spell reflect WA updated?

[tepid cedar]

march 8trh was last one. so yes it but theres bugs with it still. should be fixed in future by reading comments sections

[quiet breach]

y'all I don't use storm bolt in raid what other options could I talent instead?

or should I just start using storm bolt

I heard it was the most miniscule of miniscule dps increases

which sounds dog shit but I'm curious what other options there is

[runic cypress]

Just start using it

[fickle cedar]

honed reflexes/intercept

[runic cypress]

There's nothing else worthwhile to take anyway

[quiet breach]

oh yeah this reminds me I need to post my talents, I'm using the wowhead ones

slayer multitarget raid and slayer single target raid

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/talent-builds-pve-dps

[fickle cedar]

https://www.archon.gg/wow/builds/fury/warrior/raid/overview/heroic/all-bosses scroll down here and you can check per boss what people swap/take

[royal copper]

I don't understand this part 100%

• Can someone help me explain?

[winter shoal]

If you're above 100 rage, you generally want to use rampage instead of a rage-generating ability

There are edge cases where that's not true, but for the most part it is

Things like BF SS stacking and MFE execute are handled in that

If you go to the timeline view it'll show you the specific times you used the builder when you should've used rampage instead

If there are specific casts it's flagging as incorrect but you think are actually correct, dm me the report and I'll take a look when I'm home

[runic garden]

kinda want to play a bladestorm centric build. how much worse is slayer jugg than mountain thane dps wise?

[quiet breach]

using rampage makes ur CDs come back faster and also does big dam

[winter shoal]

(I wrote that part of wowanalyzer)

[whole yacht]

im not the highest ilvl. or the best warrior. but i beat a monk (this was with 4 wipes. cuz tank couldnt stop overpulling)

thats something right

[winter shoal]

In keys? I think it's like 14% behind on sustained aoe but 8% ahead on single target or something like that

[quiet breach]

I actually think its about time I start playing around with talents

a lil bit at least

[runic garden]

dam 14%

bummer i like bladestorm a bunch

more than ravager visually

[modest condor]

you can also just play thane with bladestorm

[winter shoal]

Silm are my numbers close to correct

I'm not at home rn so can't run direct sims

[modest condor]

no clue i havent compared in ages

[runic garden]

is bladestorm thane going to be much worse than ravager thane?

[winter shoal]

"Much worse" is subjective

[runic garden]

like more than 10%

dps loss

[winter shoal]

It'll be worse for sure

10% I doubt

But you can just sim that

[quiet breach]

bigbowwl what color parses do u get mid-late season? I remember u said u "weren't good enough to parse later in the season" so u heavy prio early season performance @winter shoal

[winter shoal]

That was mostly a joke

I'm just always shit 🙂

Idk I 99d a few early mythic bosses later in the season last tier and then had like 90s on prog bosses late in the season

[modest condor]

+6% st -9% aoe for my character

[winter shoal]

But early season normal/heroic parses are really easy to cheese with gear, especially if you raid on Tuesday

I got like a 97 on sprocket being dead for the last 30s of the fight this past week

Granted I was milking the boss before then

[winter shoal]

For thane vs slayer?

[modest condor]

yes

[winter shoal]

Not as bad as I expected tbh

Blast really got shafted

[modest condor]

the old numbers that had thane like 15% ahead or something was because there was a bug in sims that made blast overperform

the early s1 numbers

[winter shoal]

Oh word

I remember prot was like not applying the TC/TB cooldown properly or somethinf

[modest condor]

i think it's always been around 10% in reality

[silk wharf]

I gave up on slayer in keys because of the threat in early S1. It has left me scarred.

[modest condor]

fury was double dipping from a 40% buff to tb

something like prot has it in the ability and fury has it in the spec aura and the sims were adding both to fury for some reason

[quiet breach]

why does raiding on Tuesday matter

[silk wharf]

It's reset day and EU doesn't have access.

[winter shoal]

You have another reset of gear/crests that all the logs before you didn't

Like the first reset day you gain an easy 5-6 ilvl

So your logs are being primarily compared to people much lower ilvl than you

[quiet breach]

doesn't the log adjust as the week goes on?

[winter shoal]

Logs compare to the other logs that exist in that partition

Partitions are usually every patch/.5 patch

Sometimes they make new partitions if log rules change or there are big balance changes

[quiet breach]

how much does being in a Tuesday guild matter midway thru the season or later

[winter shoal]

Basically irrelevant

But specifically on week 2/3, being in a tues/wed guild helps cheese parses

It's really not worth worrying about though

I'm pretty much joking when I say that

Like yes it has a nonzero impact, but much less of an impact than just playing well does

[oblique trail]

.2 higher than you L

[fading bane]

F

[prime canyon]

Hey guys - What do you guys do single target? Whats your opener, and is there anything specific I need to be aware of in my rotation, or is it just to make sure BT is always on cooldown, and to use Rampage when available?

[winter shoal]

Check out the wowhead guide

[remote bobcat]

quite literally every guide on the internet has the answers to your question

Prayge

[prime canyon]

Yeah I've read some of them but perhaps there was someone who found small changes that made them more usefull

[olive wraith]

We follow wowhead guide

[remote bobcat]

we follow robot, not wowhead guide

wowhead guide follows robot

dont get it wrong

[olive wraith]

Can I tell you a secret

[winter shoal]

I mean the same person who writes the wowhead guide also writes the robot so

[olive wraith]

They’re worked on by the same people

[winter shoal]

Sort of a chicken and egg type thing

[remote bobcat]

ya

[remote bobcat]

yesnt

if you follow robot with everything you will be fine

but if you go follow wowhead guide only

then you will miss a shitton of optimizations, especially with gear

so while i do agree with you, that's its the chicken and egg type thing

[forest owl]

i use stat weights to determine all of my decisions

[remote bobcat]

it kinda isnt at the same time

[modest condor]

robot comes first

guide uses robot

[prime canyon]

What site do you mean when you say robot?

[torpid elbow]

i got tht wa that lets me know when to TB or WW and it feels great

[modest condor]

raidbots.com

[prime canyon]

tyvm

[torpid elbow]

i wanna run some mythic+ with some of ya'll highest i am to do is 9-10 on certain onces

[forest owl]

what wa is this?

[winter shoal]

I mean yeah, but the reason those things are largely excluded from the guide is because they aren't worth worrying about for the most part

Gear for sure

[remote bobcat]

"i need to craft mastery versa cloak because the guide says so"

is a plague

to wow

[winter shoal]

But rotation stuff not so much

Yeah agreed

My guild makes us submit bis lists before the raid comes out and we get yelled at if we roll bis on something that isn't

[torpid elbow]

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[2:01 PM]
little aura around ur character when u need to press ww or tc

[winter shoal]

Which kinda makes sense but like that's so inherently flawed it makes my skin crawl

[remote bobcat]

this is, quite frankly, absolutely dumb

run a droptimizer instead

[forest owl]

cheers friendo

[torpid elbow]

that should help you out it trains me on when to press it i will prob remove it as i get used to it

[torpid elbow]

yessir

[summer quail]

that's hilarious

what a joke ahahha

[winter shoal]

I do tbh but idk people have no concept of nuance with gearing

[winter shoal]

We wiped 10x to mythic vexie 🙂

One of our mages did 1.1m on cauldron 🙂

Get me out of here 🙂

[remote bobcat]

why are u still there if u dont like it

and if you do like the people - why havent you gone up to question their poor methods

[winter shoal]

The people I like aren't the ones who suck

But yeah I might skedaddle soon idk

[remote bobcat]

"every guild has friends to be made"

[winter shoal]

Real

[severe harbor]

question gamers

why do i see everyone take Frenzied enrage over powerful enrage?

powerful feels better imo and sims higher

[winter shoal]

Then take powerful 🙂

[remote bobcat]

people wanna be fast + it sims equal for others

depends on gear

[winter shoal]

Might be for fight-specific timings too

[inner zinc]

Either it sims higher for them or they prefer the haste even if its worst

[winter shoal]

Getting BS back for some add spawns or something

The extra haste gives more MFE stacks

[remote bobcat]

yea i like frenzied on rik reverb myth

for adds

[severe harbor]

oke ty :3

[restive peak]

Do people take powerful in raid outside stix? O.o

I don’t think that’s advised

In M+ we take powerful most of the time

[winter shoal]

Linc you're playing colossus on OAB ya?

[chilly fractal]

I only do Frenzied so far haven’t gotten to Stix

In raid

[restive peak]

That’s the plan but honestly I’ll test a few things tn on early pulls

Where we won’t get past 50% anyway

[winter shoal]

People in #arms were asking about the reasoning behind colossus vs slayer on that earlier

[restive peak]

Add damage seems to matter more than boss damage

[smoky vale]

i think wes was saying oneshotting adds

[restive peak]

And colossus burst is definitely higher

You just smash demolish the adds and profit

[summer quail]

nahh. well atleast i hope not

[oblique trail]

From one night of playing Colossus and a bit of Thane, assuming you aren't fixated you can easily rival Fury add damage, while doing very good 2 target cleave

While also not being punished for swapping targets like Fury does

[restive peak]

Yeah, I think it’s likely I’ll settle on colossus

[winter shoal]

Playing EP or nah

[oblique trail]

I'm playing EP yes, but no Jugg

[winter shoal]

How's rage during exe feel?

FinB and/or BS?

[oblique trail]

We have only had 1 sub 40% pull

So idk

[winter shoal]

Oh word

[oblique trail]

But I'm running Finishing instead of 1x Bloodborne because it's just more comfortable

And the damage is negligible

[fallow perch]

Is there a macro for Best-In-Slot wep? Zug zug brain.

[winter shoal]

#1237307732705415228 message

[turbid needle]

anyone has link to inner sanctum discord?

[tepid cedar]

lol 14 cincderbrew was fkn thumpin and stil couldent keep up, i fkn tried though lol

[dense elbow]

3.3m, respectable pwarrior DPS

[turbid needle]

reroll

[quiet breach]

guys is working out irl a DPS increase for warriors

what specs would it be a dps minus

[dense elbow]

Who cares? Minmax IRL, consume blended chicken 🐔🍗

[covert coyote]

yes it for sure is

[glad coyote]

any deaths for you?

[lusty osprey]

When I run my sim through top gear simcraft tells me to use the same gems in every slot, but when I look at people parsing they are using a variety of gems. I'm using the replace gems/enchants option. What am I missing?

[chrome plover]

i crafted mastery versa cloak

🍻

[clever path]

enable the force 4 different gems option

[lusty osprey]

Ok thanks

[tepid cedar]

yea deied right at end of lust at start

lsot food buff but only 1

[quasi river]

I got best in slots last night, in m+ do I just macro it into Reck? That seems like the best way I can think of to not waste usages of it. Obviously in Raid I use it as its own CD and plan around lining it up with stuff.

oh - I also don't have an on use trinket right now if that matters

[sullen dove]

prolly yea

unless you feel like putting it where your usual on use button is

[chrome plover]

yes, this works until you have an onuse trinket you wanna use, when that happens you'd wanna use the on use over best in slots

[quasi river]

that's gonna be so cringe 😩

[chrome plover]

at least we dont have too many buttons

[velvet obsidian]

It is. Waterboard yourself as your alarm in the morning, run seven miles, and move hella iron so that you can slam rampage harder. The harder you hit it, the more damage you do.

[jovial mauve]

are all the fury warriors just cracked this season? doing 1.8m on H Sprocket and only parsing a 58 lol

[young swan]

whats that

[tepid cedar]

at least we timing, 14 flood but damn i ahve the shit turned off. at the end im like surely!!!!! then i look and boom. i really dont think theres anything i couldve done better this run neither

[timid forge]

theres no fights where i should be running RA over AM atm correct?

[acoustic coyote]

worth going for improved whirlwind and meatcleaver on cauldron or just go st?

[tepid cedar]

yea, and the only one whos done a higher flood is god himself nox

[earnest canyon]

There is always something you can do. Report that druid for cheating.

[chrome plover]

Correct

[lucid thorn]

ban him forever

fuckin oranges

[sudden tusk]

fury too target capped in that dungy

arms do good

[edgy widget]

#1237307732705415228

[fickle cedar]

the crazy thing is the guy is a ret

[edgy widget]

"not meta" (just barely)

[elder spindle]

They'll be toeing the line after the buffs go live. I can't believe they buffed them.

[edgy widget]

I'd say "at least it's only a ST buff" (which they are a bit weak in)
except it's a ST buff in all content, including the stuff they were already strong in

not a negligable one either, FV is like 16-20% of their ST dam

so +20% to that is upwards +4% overall

[tepid cedar]

bruh jsut did a 14 priory, fuck that key. PS castigator shield. if everyoine stand behind the 2nd boss. u can cheese the shield

enjoy it, not widely well known

[tired hinge]

I'm a little confused about bloodthirst prio.
Wowhead recommends pressing BT at 3 stacks so i setup a WA to track bloodcraze. (Along with enrage and ww stacks)
The premade BT WA tracker gets highlighted before 3 stacks so I'm not sure what that means about BT prio. Should i just remove that WA and focus on bloodcraze stacks to guide my BT usage?

[edgy widget]

So 3-4 stacks is an average amount for people who don't want to use a complicated WA like that one, but the WeakAura goes off crit % instead, which is much more specific (cause there are several things that can affect your crit chance, including trinket procs, etc)

I'll add a disclaimer somewhere to clear up confusion

[tepid cedar]

hey archi, for roar. is there a time on avatar or reckless that we hold it. i saw nothing in the APL, and even in sims roar gets cast before ava/reck. is it not optimzed or say, under 10 sec on ava/reck hold it?

[tired hinge]

Ohh okay I got it. thanks for the clear up!

[edgy widget]

all bloodcraze does is increase BT's crit, so they're effectively the same thing - WA is just more straightforward (since it automatically accounts for other stuff like trinket procs, etc)

[neat gazelle]

Fuck ya man love to see it. I don’t know why I can’t do this haha. I get like 2.60 max 😂

[serene oar]

am i the only one that has a sound whenever winning streaks procs? its there even when i disable all addons

[fickle cedar]

the 4set sound is on by default on all specs i think

[serene oar]

any way to disable it? a pretty pointless sound no?

[lucid thorn]

bro just doesn't want dps in his keys

[fickle cedar]

leatrix plus can mute sounds by id but i dont know which id it is

[modest condor]

he wants to top the meters so he's banning all the specs that do more

[lucid thorn]

I play ret and that's exactly how other rets play lmao

most rets are whiny babies because they got giganerfed

it sucks but that's how it is

[wheat lantern]

ight just got a 665 Best in slots , if i get a myth track weapon tuesday , would you guys craft a 2H still , or just make 2 off pieces with dusk ? confused

[final eagle]

2 pieces of course, bis 665 offhand its better than a 675 off hand

[wheat lantern]

thanks mate

[brittle dock]

Does the Reck proc from Unbridled Ferocity also proc avatar with berserker's torment? I'm guessing not becuase reck isn't being "activated."

[unkempt locust]

thoughts on cloak, wrist and kick enchants? i have always valued speed but i never did any serious pve until last xpac. i am being told that i should go for avoid. warbreaker says rec avoid but pick what you want. wowhead says avoid or speed. archon has 60% on avoid but a lot pick speed. is avoid just better and why?

[oblique trail]

It doesn't proc avatar, no

[brittle dock]

didn't think so but ty for the confirmation.

[oblique trail]

Personally I'd recommend just going leech over avoidance, because it's not everything you can mitigate with avoidance, but the leech helps against anything except for clear oneshots (which with other mitigation, you'd only run into in very high keys)

As for speed, you get speed from either using frenzied enrage, or using the movement speed blasphemite gem, which frankly is worth the small dps loss to use

[modest condor]

also avoidance got killed off this expansion

i dont think you even reach 2% with all avoidance enchants

[lucid thorn]

wild

[oblique sand]

does fury have a high skill ceiling ?

to minmax dps

[winter shoal]

Ehh

Lower than some classes

[oblique trail]

This season higher than usual

[unkempt locust]

former pvper who would get aotc for lore. so speed ment alot to me. now im mythic raiding getting laughed at cuz i still use speed xD havent gotten ce yet but thats the goal.

[oblique trail]

Then take it from me who's currently progressing one armed bandit, avoidance quite literally does nothing on the fight, where leech helps a lot

And leech in general helps a lot throughout a single pull on any given fight

[pine wagon]

In mythic plus does fury kinda get screwed by the target cap? I feel like the arms tier bonus works well for aoe with overpowers but we just get target capped in higher keys :/

[winter shoal]

For overall yes, but you are valuable for prio/boss dam outside of that

Overall only means so much

[unkempt locust]

bet

[oblique trail]

But also as silm mentioned, avoidance just got shot this expac

[pine wagon]

Was in a key and windwalker dmg is just over the top compared it’s frustrating. Also against ret pallys.. the effort difference is crazy

[oblique trail]

It's turned into a nice to have but you just need a lot more for it to be noticeable now

[brittle dock]

I play both ret and fury and wouldn't say one is more difficult than the other.

[unkempt locust]

new guild. we got shot by roster boss on NP. was doing great with awesome prog but eh. silken was fun but hurt. this tier is roster boss again. we will get there. so leech it is (goodbye my beloved speed chants #RIP)

[coarse nest]

Am I missing something obvious when reck+ava > charge doesnt enrage me instantly?

specifically waiting for combat to start

[smoky vale]

need 1 autoattack

[winter shoal]

Are you sure you're reck before ava and charge?

[smoky vale]

or bt

[modest condor]

are you actually in combat when you press your cooldowns?

[unkempt locust]

your first auto will allow you to rampage to get enraged

[coarse nest]

well on rik for example

[smoky vale]

on rik

[coarse nest]

boss is literally moving to to the tank

and my reck ava charge

[modest condor]

do you have the macro backwards?

[smoky vale]

i press reck 1 before pull then charge

[coarse nest]

is not giving me enough for ramp

[smoky vale]

i think its because the boss is in air

[coarse nest]

well ive been manually doing reck then ava then charge

[smoky vale]

so you cant hit immediately always

[coarse nest]

quickly

[modest condor]

then idk

[coarse nest]

maybe im just goofing it somehow

[oblique trail]

I just Heroic throw to force combat before using reck avatar charge

[coarse nest]

ill macro them on ava bind with reck first

see how it goes

[winter shoal]

Yuge tech

[oblique trail]

Some don't have the issue, but I have, and it's the only work around I've found so far

[smoky vale]

i was having that problem

[winter shoal]

Our tanks just always pull on 2 so

easy for me

[smoky vale]

so i just did reck charge ava roar

and waited to ramp

[winter shoal]

unenraged roar everyone laugh and point at him

[coarse nest]

hmm roar first global after charge

[smoky vale]

roar damage period

XDDD

[coarse nest]

not to bad of an idea

[oblique trail]

Otherwise on bandit you can just ww mid charge as slayer otherwise since it'd give you enough rage, and you'd want to cleave instantly anyway (Thane a bit more awkward)

[winter shoal]

THought you were playing col on bandit Banezi

[oblique trail]

I am yes

But gave Thane a try for some pulls

Bomb add damage was good, but target swaps was abysmal

[smoky vale]

as colo are you just oneshotting one of the coin mobs

and then swapping to boss

[oblique trail]

They have around 230 mill hp

So that's not happening

[smoky vale]

gg

i wish i got to do silken as colo

or silken period

[winter shoal]

RA thane on silken was sick

[smoky vale]

playing fury

[coarse nest]

thanks for the insite ill play around

[oblique trail]

On all our reclears (iirc, maybe not) I just played RA slayer pressing CDs on (almost) CD

[smoky vale]

maybe its because it was the first patch i played fury but i miss s3

ramp bb ramp bb ramp bb

the prepatch fury we had was also fun

before it got ruined

[red berry]

i miss odyns being good

relevant

[edgy widget]

all else being equal, weapon wins by a very small margin (and assuming you're also using Writhing)
but it really depends on what you're replacing with your crafts, which makes this the definition of a sim question

[silk wharf]

Is there some hidden mechanic going on that makes the Noggenfogger elixir trinket so strong?

[smoky vale]

it got buffed

[silk wharf]

yea, I know. Just curious.

[winter shoal]

It inherits your attack speed

[smoky vale]

xdd

i imagine that owns on rogue specs

[oblique trail]

Outlaw specifically yes

[modest condor]

wait does it also scale with our talents then?

wild strikes and dancing blades

[smoky vale]

i imagien also frenzied

[modest condor]

that's not auto attack speed

[winter shoal]

+177k for our rogue before the buff 🙂

[smoky vale]

wait

what if you play of talent that gives as

[oblique trail]

Not 100% sure, but there's definitely a difference in the amount of hits it did when I tested it

[smoky vale]

@dense elbow i got a new build for you buddy

[oblique trail]

Swung between 15 to 18 times, didn't track what I had active but very likely wild strikes was

[modest condor]

secret OF prio damage tech?

[smoky vale]

might crank

i imagine its still a loss over having vc across every mob

surely this with 6/6 hc noggen will crank in keys

[modest condor]

surely

[torn python]

noob question, should i have my loot spec to arms? i main fury but keep getting 1h weapons

[winter shoal]

Yes

Always arms

[torn python]

is it dumb to dual wield a 1h and a 2h

[winter shoal]

Unless you main prot and want to get dps trinkets

[lean heart]

do not like this fight at all

[winter shoal]

Sim it but probably

[torn python]

thanks

[neat gazelle]

What am I missing. Did 2.57 overall. Feel like I should be doing more. I didn’t use any tempered potions which is a mistake on my end

[winter shoal]

How long is a piece of string

[neat gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/bookio-gif-13932157847762104386

[neat gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/milhouse-simpsons-frisbee-lonely-loneliness-gif-22891693

[jovial mauve]

what was the point of target capping fury when so many other classes aren't?

[pulsar prawn]

Onlyfans tech

[mint moat]

for ST slayer during reckless window is going execute bt ramp at start to try and proc more rampages always worse

[fickle cedar]

s1 nerubar incident, now we suffer for the rest of the expansion

[fiery edge]

is unbridle ferocity worth taking?

[devout zodiac]

As mtn thane fury, are we bloodthirsting < 35% mobs in keys and does that get cleaved?

[frosty ibex]

is it good ?

[dire vigil]

I always reck charge, with a whirlwind while charging, then avatar and either RB or rampage if up. That’s AM Slayer

[silk wharf]

Prot gets that 20% atk speed steroid from shield charge talent.

maybe its good

[winter shoal]

The build or the trinket?

The build is bad

The trinket is good in single target if it lives

[fallen pivot]

If I were to play both fury and arms in M+, is duskthread or dawnthread the better craft for cloak/wrists?

[sour tundra]

why can't 90% of groups time a priory key? attempted 7 +12 runs today all fell apart

[whole yacht]

of course

the one time i see one

its when im spamminig 1's to get the 5 delves quest done

[brittle dock]

tanks pull too big and wipe, at least in my experience.

[tepid cedar]

most of the scrubs are arounf the 9-11 range now

skill pool is super low atm there

[brittle dock]

thing is, even through 12s, if the dps does even 2.5m you can pull slow and safe and time it. not much skill needed.

[winter shoal]

Extremely minor difference between them

I'd go dusk personally but it really doesn't matter

[fallen pivot]

kk

[sour tundra]

its just crazy to me. first pull of priory with lust tank says make sure use defensives for shout. it goes out and two people insta die cus they ran into traps and didn't use any defensives

2900 io players, so many boosted ppl this season

[winter shoal]

Pug dps don't use defensives

As a rule

[tepid cedar]

i mean ive only pugged, but all the ppl that undertsnad that stuff are on 13s and 14s atm

[tepid cedar]

this

[winter shoal]

I'm still just farming 10s for gear for the most part and holy people there are bad

Literally gapped by 50% or more, no kicks, no defensives

[brittle dock]

yup, but the timer is so lax that if the tank just single pulls timing a 10 is no issue even if noone kicks.

[winter shoal]

Yep me and a guildy unknowingly carried a 640 ww who was dead 2/3 of the key in an 11 and 2chested it

Buddy didn't even pay us for our trouble

[junior gale]

My favorite is finding the really bad ret pallys

[winter shoal]

I've had one pug mage do over 2m overall this season

Those mfs are built diff

[brittle dock]

i try not to pick "meta" classes as pugs. it seems like most of them are played poorly. I would take a similar geared lock over mage right now every time.

[winter shoal]

Mages are banned amen

[junior gale]

ive run into multiple ret pallys doing tank dmg

its wild

[winter shoal]

The rets in my pugs have actually been pretty alright for the most part

Enhance as well

Ele shamans have been bad

Mages have been awful

[red berry]

nah real. my last 12s i need are priory and cinderbrew

and i somehow can't get into groups for either of them. i managed to finally get into groups for the rest

pugging is always an experience

[smoky vale]

?

[frosty ibex]

i mean the talent but build = talent right ?

[smoky vale]

huh

[merry night]

im confused, whys this dude throwing stormbolts on sprocket?

[modest condor]

because that's the only thing you can do while you're in bladestorm

[lucid thorn]

Interesting I didn't know that

[modest condor]

helps to read your talents

[merry night]

brotha hes casting BT...

[lucid thorn]

warriors aren't the best at reading

[merry night]

no BS up

[brittle dock]

zug

[lucid thorn]

again

[silk wharf]

4 bts in 2 seconds. checks out

[lucid thorn]

warriors aren't the best at reading

🤣🤣🤣

[merry night]

he aint bladestorming...

LOL

[lucid thorn]

🤣🤣🤣

[modest condor]

explain how he can press 4 bloodthirsts within 2 seconds without being in bladestorm

[lucid thorn]

he's him

[edgy widget]

a bajillion haste

[merry night]

shit aint in the logs

he could be him

[modest condor]

link the log

[merry night]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GZAg4CDn7mHvjyq6?fight=28&type=casts&source=5&view=events

[modest condor]

"he aint bladestorming" "shit aint in the logs"
meanwhile the logs: http://puu.sh/KqwlW/59bf285e5c.png

[sullen dove]

nowaaaaay

literally the 1 button before it

[merry night]

rip i aint see it

[lucid thorn]

there it is

[merry night]

we connecting the dots

i might be on to something

[edgy widget]

technically it would only take about 600% haste to get BT down to a 0.75s CD, which would get you 4 BT in 2.25s

[merry night]

good research chat

we found out today we can use BT in bladestorm

[lucid thorn]

silmarilen the only warrior good at reading

[modest condor]

wrong

i know of at least 1 other warrior who can read

[lucid thorn]

probably arch

[edgy widget]

you can't use it in Bladestorm, it automatically gets used in Bladestorm

[merry night]

fuck

[edgy widget]

you can use Storm Bolt during Bladestorm though

[merry night]

were back tracking

[silk wharf]

Its voice activated though. You have to say "storm bolt"

[modest condor]

real

[merry night]

im just punching my monitor mid bladestorm

itll cast

[lucid thorn]

I just got the funniest fucking mental image

[modest condor]

i throw a replica mjolnir at my screen to roleplay a storm bolt

[merry night]

https://tenor.com/view/w2s-sidemen-smash-computer-rage-gif-16991086

this gonna be how i stormbolt now

[wheat lantern]

I’m rocking 678 signet ( trying to get pacemaker) and a mechano core amp with best in slots weapon. Do I just throw in both /use into recklessness macro and spam whenever. ( I know it puts it on cd before I can use the other)

[silk wharf]

Two 2 min on uses sounds really annoying to use. For a raid boss youd want to plan out your uses so you dont lose one but align as many with cds as possible. In m+ idk, maybe just send em with reck.

The trinket first obviously. I think its twice~ as strong as BIS.

[wheat lantern]

Yeah def working on dropping signet so it’s a lil non annoying

[edgy widget]

basically yes, check #1237307732705415228

trinkets only put slots on a 15s CD, so you can chain them during a single Avatar if you want to, or just use separately with each Reck

[clever path]

why is fury outperforming arms on sprocketmonger, isn't that fight ST?

[smoky vale]

more people playing

easier for prog

[edgy widget]

the two are very comparable, but Sprocket doesn't really have an emphasized Execute phase so much as just favoring throughput

[lean heart]

fury tankier too

[calm island]

fury > arms

[lean heart]

many are saying this

[earnest canyon]

angry man wielding 2x 2handers > fat man smashing with 1 2 hander

[fallen pivot]

Pog

[earnest canyon]

gz!

[wise canyon]

Tonight we kill Gallywix

[earnest canyon]

can I come

[wise canyon]

Im just coping

I dont think we evenget past mugzee again

[earnest canyon]

are you doing mythic?

[wise canyon]

Heroic

[earnest canyon]

whut

i pugged upto gally heroic

i just had to solo soak combs on sprockmonger dickandfart twice

this was on my hunter though

[dense elbow]

Hardest affix is and forever will be good guild with bad raiders

[earnest canyon]

I find it that, but also finding a guild you vibe with....ive been in guilds in the past where the players were great, but loot and progress obsessed, and were like robots

I may as well have been in a pug

[oblique trail]

It gets put on a 20 sec cd if you use a trinket

[iron portal]

Banezi is right indeed

[edgy widget]

w/e, the point is it’s still short enough you can chain during avatar if you want to

[iron portal]

true

[gilded stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/actually-gif-20569320

[indigo arch]

anyone have a regions wa for lfg that actually works?

trying to sift past all the oce lagfests

mine breaks randomly

[chrome plover]

there's an addon called groupfinderflags, would that work

actually i think that shows a flag based on client language

idk im eu

[chrome plover]

ye should work just looked it up

[dense elbow]

Should be native in WoW, the GF addon simply makes the UI more pretty.

Sorry Moo, we EU bros dont use that kind of thing sadly

[chrome plover]

should show an na / oce flag based on group leader

[earnest canyon]

We get russians though in EU, which are a complete crapshoot...some of the best and worst groups ive pugged with have been russian, but there is no middle ground it seems

and you cant communicate with them

[remote bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/look-what-yep-this-gif-13617583

[unreal onyx]

Like 10% of them speak good enough english to discuss base strats

[earnest canyon]

yeah, on my hunter I get invited for BL late at night usually....like 1 or 2 am, and they yell at each other in russian and im like "did I do something wrong?" and they just dont respond lol

[unreal onyx]

Good enough for "bl 1st boss" or "bl pull"

[earnest canyon]

aye if i get that im happy

[unreal onyx]

Thats all you need to know

[remote bobcat]

russian groups usually dont have BL unless its a mage

and russian mages are even more hit or miss

[uneven path]

Funny thing, is that it's same in pvp it's a) some go gamer that have descend from godhood b) he is not able to press his buttons no between.

[chrome plover]

BL is a crutch

[unreal onyx]

Just have drums give the same effect as bl

And the argument with BL is invalid

I think what would be a giga qol improvement

[earnest canyon]

i dont think homogenisation is a good thing

I like the classes having their niche

[unreal onyx]

I agree but BL is basically a need in keys

And having to gatekeep it for specific classes is ass

[earnest canyon]

yes, so it means you need one of the classes that can do it

just like you need a tank and a healer

[unreal onyx]

Which puts others that don't have it in a big disadvantage

[earnest canyon]

they have other advantages

[unreal onyx]

For bshout, monk buff, stam sure keep them

[earnest canyon]

different damage profiles and lower cd stuns etc

[unreal onyx]

But BL should be available to groups no matter the comp

[earnest canyon]

i dont agree with that

[unreal onyx]

imo

[radiant plank]

and mage has it all

[earnest canyon]

yeah was gonna say mage maybe shouldnt have it lmao

they ahve everything

tankiest range class in the game and they run around in a dress made of cloth

[unreal onyx]

Class specific buffs are fine, but BL is a must and shouldnt be gatekept by specific classes

[earnest canyon]

doing it on hunter is a pain in the arse on BM

[unreal onyx]

Mages are gonna be in meta comps anyway

[earnest canyon]

"do you need lust now?"
"oh ok, ill use my tank pet, give me 5 seconds"

shaman and mage and evoker just press it

[pseudo rampart]

I know i should sim but best weap ench is generally 2x authority of the depths right?

[earnest canyon]

not for me

ascendance always sims higher

[unreal onyx]

For me depths is the best sim

[earnest canyon]

but i just always sim if i get a new item

[pseudo rampart]

Ty

[earnest canyon]

if it turned out to be depths id swap

[unreal onyx]

Thats why having BL drums is best

And not only half a bl

[earnest canyon]

are BL drums even equivalent now? And can you use them as a non lw? I dont really know much about them tbh

[dense elbow]

Anyone can use them

[junior gale]

same with jumper cables anyone can use

[chrome plover]

i think the majority of my weekly keys this season have been no lust lmao

[split kite]

Not true anymore due to Harrier’s cry

[junior gale]

thats MM only not BM

[earnest canyon]

hmm?

[indigo arch]

fury popping off in priory!

[earnest canyon]

i play bm

[indigo arch]

[dense elbow]

Yes

but check boss dam

[indigo arch]

fuck boss damage

my ape brain only wants to see my name above

[dense elbow]

You doing good boss dam, is why their overall is on top

[indigo arch]

uncap meatcleaver

kty

[dense elbow]

Monkeypaw wish granted, MC is now 5t softcap - Single Target reduced by 30% to compensate.

[chrome plover]

why would they reduce ST just tune the % damage of cleaved attacks

like they do for shadow priest all the time

[dense elbow]

The best way to give Fury some AoE power, is the burst AoE CDs, as it wont affect how STvsMC value works

It is basically an unbound tuning knob

[indigo arch]

whatever it takes at this point

I hate feeling like a burden every time I don't go arms outside of theater

lmao

[chrome plover]

give it sqrt scaling and reduce the 55% (or w/e it is)

single target doesnt have to be affected at all

[dense elbow]

Sure, we can gimp our 5t and less, for more mass AoE

[chrome plover]

[dense elbow]

Not sure I would take that trade tho

I rather they up MC to 60-65%, or do the CD route.
It is kinda neat to have something unique, not being just Ret but Brown

If I wanted to be ret, I would play ret

[smoky vale]

will you play my new build

[dense elbow]

That is just a mangled version of my build, if I remember correctly from what I saw

As our AoE is really bad, I just went down the full ST route with RB focus.

No point squeezing out AoE when you already basically do 0. Just carry boss dam, while the real deal do the trash

(I say as I bring Odyn's, the DPS loss button)

[smoky vale]

but you need to play it...

do you have noggen tribket

[dense elbow]

Nop

[smoky vale]

😦

[dense elbow]

[smoky vale]

Xdd

[dense elbow]

Usually sits around 1.5 to 2.5% overall in keys after the buff

big

[sour frigate]

big garbage

[forest owl]

just need to forever be <35% hp, ask your healers not to heal you

[slim pollen]

When standing in fire will litterally boost your damage

[carmine tide]

Hello guys. New to wow trying to learn fury warr and focus on PVE content. Is there any good guide you would recommend to learn rotations. Also is slayer better for m+ or mountain thane ?? Thanks.

[clever belfry]

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[dense elbow]

#dps-faq should be an ok to start. There are plenty of youtube guides out there too.

Still, most of it just repeats what is mentioned on WoWhead. The guide there is structured to be easy to read (once you get the basics down, it really is), then you just focus on improving one one part at the time.

I recommend starting getting used to just playing the game. WoW, and try out content. Getting used to pressing buttons and the keybinds.

Then you should slowly start to look to improve upon your performance. WoWhead got guides on everything from Single target damage dealing, to doing damage to masses of enemies.

Of those, start with Single Target, as that rotation and gameplay is the core of everything you will do as Fury.

Godspeed and goodluck, not to mention have fun. WoW can be frustrating to get into, taking months. But once you there, there is a lot to experience and master

[carmine tide]

Thank you very much mate

[indigo arch]

just in time go to arms

[unreal onyx]

675 cloak?

[indigo arch]

wat

675

[unreal onyx]

Where's the weapon

[indigo arch]

I don't raid

so I just figured fk it i'll get my embels first

my next spark is a mh crafted

spark(s)

[unreal onyx]

Weapon is embel tho

[slim pollen]

In this weeks vault, you have to believe @unreal onyx !

[radiant plank]

is it tho

[unreal onyx]

Isnt ascendance basically bis for all content?

[radiant plank]

ascendance isnt even bis for raid

[unreal onyx]

Surely

[radiant plank]

xdd

[unreal onyx]

holdup

[indigo arch]

last I checked m+ bis is x2 lining

[unreal onyx]

Wowhead says its bis for raid

[slim pollen]

Ascend is the early game "bis", with double special weapons being the end game goal.
I was considering double lining as well and just gamble on vaults early, but figured i could use old nerub bracers, upgrade and recraft those later and have fun with crafted weap early

[radiant plank]

[unreal onyx]

Overall "bis" list has best in slots and crafted in it

Is that just for pure ST?

[unreal onyx]

Where's the comparison values with ascendance?

[radiant plank]

[radiant plank]

idk i didnt do them

I just know that mythic bis + gally

with lining

is better than ascendance

in bis gear

[unreal onyx]

Why would everyone craft ascendance weapon then?

[radiant plank]

Because its a great craft for prog

[unreal onyx]

And not 2x dusk

[slim pollen]

That's pre gallywix, post gallywix is 2 lining, 2 speical.
Which most people won't get untill dinars probably

[unreal onyx]

Or non-embell weap

[radiant plank]

Because

you dont have sparks

to craft all that

[remote bobcat]

its the most consistent power up you can get before killing mythic gally

[junior gale]

da guide said stat prio is haste mastery time to only aquire haste mastery items

[unreal onyx]

I mean, in 97% of cases it makes sense, simming beforehand is always the definitive answer

[chrome plover]

675 cloak is based

i also have that

[remote bobcat]

I know you threw that number out there for the heck of it but it's usually more like 80% or even less

theres a lot of people undervaluing versa

overstacking haste mastery

for example

[chrome plover]

actually my cloak is haste mastery

im safe from being a plague to wow

[remote bobcat]

dentge

[chrome plover]

im blasting

[unique flume]

Hi guys. Im a bit lost with my sims. I got slightly better results with more balanced stats. I sim better with only 33% mastery in favor of versatility. The only stat that seem to always have poor value is crit. Am i completely unaware of smthg cause everyone is playin with 50%+ mastery.

[daring laurel]

Stats aren’t going to be the same for everyone. Play what your sim tells you

[slim pollen]

I have faith in getting the jetpack cloak out of vault or something, so my end game craft plan is bracers + belt or boots

[opal monolith]

are whetstones almost exactly as good as mana oil?

sims the same

and is way cheaper

[chrome plover]

we just started sprocket prog so that aint happening for me

at least not any time soon

and once we have a billion sparks in week 10 it doesnt really matter right we can kinda just craft anything

[slim pollen]

Yeh when i say end game, I'm dreaming of the far future with dinars and everything 😂

[chrome plover]

i think ive probably stopped caring at that point

when are first dinars?

initially people were saying week 16 but it's less than that right

[slim pollen]

Not sure we know yet tbh

[chrome plover]

dont we get the same amount of rep per week though

or are they not on the renown track anymore?

[slim pollen]

Nah, comes with next patch

[chrome plover]

oh right

[slim pollen]

They took it off the renown right before season release to tinker more with it or something

[chrome plover]

im out of the loop

[gleaming siren]

ok but

nice

[thick fossil]

Lol, "noice."

[lean crescent]

Hey guys, anyone else tried Mountain thane instead of Fury in Heroic One-Armed Bandit? My damage is higher with M+ specs rather than ST Raid spec

[kind bolt]

change loot to spec arms and you will be fine

[remote bobcat]

bandit doesnt have enough adds to justify thane - at least when your group has sufficient boss damage

[lean crescent]

yeah... i must be playing Fury wrong then because all pulls with Thane were way higher in damage output for me

[hollow elk]

i mean throw your last logs out and let see how much aoe or targeted dmg to the adds is your guild doing

personally on my guild the adds get snuffed out becasue everyone is running some kind of cleave

[turbid bay]

i play single targ on bandit

[remote bobcat]

sounds like you use execute too much & you dont abuse vicious contempt

YEP

[turbid bay]

when you guys are pre-popping reck are you guys sometimes not getting enough rage to instantly rampage

off the charge

[remote bobcat]

yea 79/80

it happens

[hardy bluff]

need to pop it in combat or you lose rage

[turbid bay]

eh tru

feels just weird have to rb sometimes

[gleaming siren]

You just have to wait till actual pull

or do the @oblique trail special and Heroic Throw on pull to guarantee combat then Reck Ava Charge

[remote bobcat]

i do that too

lol

[quiet breach]

what are yalls thoughts on the pawn addon?

does it use sims to figure out which items are better?

[remote bobcat]

dogshit

its outdated as hell

[slow wraith]

When I read the title in wowhead "Major PvE and PvP Class Tuning" I don't know why it didn't surprise me that fury was not touched at all 😂

[wheat oyster]

@mossy fox sorry if you dont like to be tagged. I saw in your rik reverb fury pov that you dont stack slaughtering strikes after bladestorming even on single target use. Is there a reason you’ve found for not doing so?

[remote bobcat]

i had pawn isntalled when i started playing again in season 1 and it deadass told me that ara kara sacbrood myth track performed worse than a champion track shadow knife

[remote bobcat]

we should be happy no nerf

[runic cypress]

Pawn=

[granite crown]

Thank fuck, cuz we would be nerfed

[runic cypress]

What is this Wrath?

[slow wraith]

do you guys think we need a buff? at least in M+? I don't feel weak, but other specs in AOE are just... busted and they nerfed us pretty quick in S1 because of that

[remote bobcat]

not at all

[granite crown]

Blizzard don't look at M+ at all, and in raid we're doing great

[slow wraith]

oh and I meant slayer in M+, mountain is great (I just love being a bayblade)

[remote bobcat]

why tf would you play slayer in m+

They've been pretty adamant that they want thane to be the m+ spec

per design

[granite crown]

At that point you're just shooting yourself in the foot and asking blizzard to fix it

[slow wraith]

I guess I like my bladestorm 😂

[remote bobcat]

self sabotage idk

bladestorm sucks

dogshit spell

if fury bladestorm had the same cast time as arms bladestorm

then we would take ravager in slayer

thats how bad it is

[slow wraith]

shame I truly liked fury in S1 with BS and OF, I like mountain but I don't know slayer just feels good for me

I guess I'm indeed shooting myself in the foot

[remote bobcat]

i am 99% certain you just like frenzied enrage more than powerful enrage

the rest of the fury gameplay is identical

[remote bobcat]

you are yes

[granite crown]

Nothing wrong with playing what you like, but you can't expect Blizzard to buff your sub-optimal playstyle because you don't feel powerful XD

[remote bobcat]

YEP

[low folio]

frenzied rage is a more fun talent than powerful enrage but slayer definitely feels different than mountain thane, the bladestorm feels good to press in aoe in terms of sound design and visual design and the sudden death procs + reap the storm are fun

[quaint plinth]

Is there a viable build for Single Minded Fury?

[remote bobcat]

no

go arms loot spec, dont touch 1handers

YEP

[low folio]

probably just the meta build but SMF, it can definitely be good enough for 10s but your like atleast 5-10% weaker

[remote bobcat]

more

[low folio]

i just remember it used to be around 8% at one point

[wheat oyster]

A while ago I asked here about how important slaughtering strikes stacks are for brutal finish and was told by @young swan that you keep stacking it up to 5 even if out of enrage, but the few top rik reverb logs ive checked dont play around this at all even when BS is used just on rik

[chrome plover]

play the game how you want but 2h is significantly more damage right now and playstyle is exactly the same

[quaint plinth]

I’m a super casual player tho so I don’t touch mythics. I solo most of the time and do heroic dungeons and lfr

[wheat oyster]

The wowhead says to stack it up too but it doesnt seem to be followed, is there are a reason for it?

[low folio]

if your not doing anything past lfr you can do smf all you want with no problem

[remote bobcat]

then the term of viability doesnt apply to you

[tardy lark]

a man can want to be optimal in his outdoor content

[chrome plover]

at this point any build and combo is 'viable' just play the game how you get the most enjoyment out of it

but it is not optimal

[quaint plinth]

I’ll just stick to what I have then

[remote bobcat]

what are you on about? the wowhead guide doesn't say to keep stacking slaughtering strikes outside of enrage

Rampage is your highest value spell when not enraged

[wheat oyster]

Sorry to clarify, xantaga said to stack it out of enrage

[remote bobcat]

I mean he's just wrong

lol

[undone flower]

It is not what I read

[wheat oyster]

But regardless, im seeing gold/pink parsers just sending rampages straight after bs

[quaint plinth]

I mean I have 2 2h’s but they’re 610 blue tw while my 1h’s are 632 purples

[remote bobcat]

YEP

[chrome plover]

i wouldnt be surprised if the 610s are more damage, but you'd have to sim to really know

[undone flower]

Still not reading as RB outside of enrage

[remote bobcat]

semantics

[undone flower]

Or maybe I just go above what he said tbh

[radiant plank]

actions.slayer+=/rampage,if=!buff.enrage.up|buff.slaughtering_strikes.stack>=4

is above

actions.slayer+=/raging_blow,if=buff.brutal_finish.up&buff.slaughtering_strikes.stack<5

[wheat oyster]

[quaint plinth]

Is mountain thane better for delves than slayer?

[remote bobcat]

I'd say so yea

but the difference is negligible

[undone flower]

From what I understand from Xan is RB even if it makes you drop enrage

[remote bobcat]

its a delve, there is no difficulty in that content

so just play whatever

[wheat oyster]

Yea so that i can sympathise with but still confused as to why even slaughtering strikes isnt being played around for rik

[remote bobcat]

u prefer

[remote bobcat]

u want bladestorm for 1st adds

if ur talkin mythic

thats why

[wheat oyster]

I am

[cunning rune]

@remote bobcat please stop being so aggresive thank you it makes me uncomfortable.

[radiant plank]

idk bad play

[remote bobcat]

dentge

[radiant plank]

but its not like a massive diff to just slam rampage after bs

at best it is a 0.5% gain

to spam RB

[cunning rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/965371616269848578/1350880863398662265/download.gif

[remote bobcat]

If you don't slam rampage after bladestorm then you guaranteed wont have bladestorm back for 1st adds

[radiant plank]

or that

if u need am for timer

[wheat oyster]

Depends on execute stacks too

[remote bobcat]

you cant control MFE procs

[wheat oyster]

I had bs up for some ads but i wasnt holding my cds for barrels as well

[remote bobcat]

you can control AM

[granite crown]

Doesn't this just mean you never cast to 5 stacks anyway, so changing RB to 4 would be no change?