fury

[frank dawn]

Can't lose damage changing talents if you have no good talents to change

[dense elbow]

blizz taking care of us, keeping us safe from ourselves

[wind haven]

thx, question, how does noxiv keep track of his Bloodthirst procs? I can't find it on his UI

[winter shoal]

Noxiv is just built a little differently

[alpine socket]

Do you really track it tho

even if i put it on my screen i don't look at it xD

2 raging blows and bloodthirst if reset 3 raging blows and send it

[spare steppe]

whats the caster equivalent to fury?

[wind haven]

ig u get a feel for it as you play more, I've been playing wow for 3 weeks only so I am still getting used to stuff

I like how he uses a lot of the default vanilla UI. Is there a reason to it or just a preferance?

[frank dawn]

probably largely preference. With the Dragonflight change I tried to trim my addons down as much as possible because patch day/week bugs are hella annoying

[sullen dove]

New lore?

same location?

Holy shit pointer variable???

[wind haven]

ahh yeah, that makes sense yeah, I do the same with my main mmorpg since i hardcore raid as soon as a patch drops

[winter shoal]

Dev maybe or bm

Ig bm isn't caster

[coarse nest]

Imagine he counts the raging blows in his head every time

[winter shoal]

It doesn't matter a ton but interactions with BC and the 4pc do have a nonzero impact

Like just doing 2x rb and then bt as long as you're not overcapping is probably fine

[thorny cove]

well I reached the 12 key wall guess I just wait for blizzard to nerf or wait for more gear 😅

[winter shoal]

But why not just use the weakaura

[coarse nest]

Can’t get invited or?

[alpine socket]

GG enjoy looking for a key for longer than it takes to finish one

[thorny cove]

yep...

[wary fjord]

This is why my only score this season has been prot

[alpine socket]

I found a loophole

you que as arms and after you are invited you politely ask them if you can go fury

and pray they dont kick you

[winter shoal]

Is the loophole having friends

[chilly fractal]

Why ask them anything

[winter shoal]

Ain't no way pugs look at whether you're arms or fury

[thorny cove]

is the loophole rerolling fire mage?

[coarse nest]

If you have all 12s atleast you can just keep running your own key over and over hoping to get the one that gives score you need

[thorny cove]

the problem brewjj is getting a 12 done

🤣

[alpine socket]

Yea best is to do your own key and pray for a good team

[coarse nest]

Ohhhh

You can do 12s keep trying

[wary fjord]

We believe in you

[coarse nest]

It’s not that bad yet at 12 you can live alot of stuff without defensives still

[alpine socket]

Sadly they are not interested in anything above m7

[winter shoal]

Wild behavior

Just hate myth gear or?

[thorny cove]

the key itself isn't the problem, it's the community

[chilly fractal]

Wild they don’t care about at least 10s

[alpine socket]

They do 10's but don't care about pushing rate

[coarse nest]

Que as arms and spec swap during the countdown

[wary fjord]

Lmaoook

[coarse nest]

Let em be mad and prove them wrong

[alpine socket]

my tankerman buddy boy said he will not step in a 12 untill he gets all his bis items from dungeons

I think he just don't wanna get yelled at for losing aggro by me

[wary fjord]

Skill issue

[chilly fractal]

People ain’t gonna pay that much attention… i used to put “4p” in my notes before I even had 2p in multiple seasons

[wary fjord]

Lmao

[alpine socket]

I tried that too

and putting a funny note aswell

[dense elbow]

I just go tank till I got enough score to be ahead of the curve

[alpine socket]

They care about that big rate number and the other big number called ilvl

[wary fjord]

I just tank because it's probably what I'm best at at this point too

I do enjoy pumping as tank tho

[coarse nest]

Back in shadowlands when boomkin was OP and everybody wanted one I invited this guy to my De other Side key and on first pull details I realized he was feral I was like well fuck I wanted this score but owell I kept quiet about it and we ended up timing the key and he dumpstered my damage and the mages

Don’t sleep on the off meta picks

Good players are good players

[dense elbow]

Bewjj is the freaking feral who swapped from boomkin in my key!

[alpine socket]

i did some 7's as tank , its always funny to be 2nd/3rd on dps meters at the end of the dungeon xD

[dense elbow]

REEEE

[alpine socket]

But seems to be lacking a bit in the defensive department

or maybe im just bad as tank idk

[dense elbow]

You a bad tank, but you will get better

[thorny cove]

the thing is people with high keys won't take any chances because playing with the meta spec is the safer option on average

[dense elbow]

just get used to 100% shieldblock uptime, and you can facetank 12s

[wary fjord]

Just need to manage rage better

Can't faceroll the keyboard anymore

[coarse nest]

40.40.10.10

[dense elbow]

the perfect stats

[wary fjord]

I'm waiting for 40.40.20.20

[thorny cove]

should I try the queue as prot as technique with all dps score 🤣

[coarse nest]

Peperage farms remembers

[dense elbow]

I would do that Mech

[alpine socket]

fury stats xD

[thorny cove]

I swear 99% of the time people are too lazy to check

[dense elbow]

and remember - fail the key? Not a problem

[wary fjord]

Lmao

[dense elbow]

you got 10sec que

[coarse nest]

Where speed!?

[thorny cove]

problem is I need a 1 hander I only have a 619 weapon lol

[alpine socket]

speed ?

[wary fjord]

I got speed myth pants this week

[alpine socket]

fasttt

[wary fjord]

6% speed just from them

Fast

[alpine socket]

you have no idea how dissapointed i was when i came back to retail after a break since legion to figure out there is a cap on speed stat

[wary fjord]

[feral ivy]

that whole key not duration starts at what lvl?

[rapid forge]

god warrior protection doing almost my dps in 10s

[tough bear]

Shall i use thunderclap as a filler instead of whirlwind?

[smoky vale]

me when i have 37% haste and 47% mastery 🙂

[tough bear]

what u mean?

[warm crag]

if ur thane ye

[tough bear]

yeah, im thane

so i shall not use whirle at all then?

[smoky vale]

yeah

you might get the occasional time every 7 minutes of you want to cleave but have nothing up

but you take that loss

[opal monolith]

if you play slayer do you treat bloodthirst the same on aoe as in mountain thane?

like press it on cd

or just follow the crit weakaura?

like on ST

[quiet breach]

afaik, no because u don't have thunder blast u just follow the crit weakaura

but I would take it from a more experienced warrior I've only been playing like 3.5 weeks

[noble elm]

whiile prot does do great dps fury this tier imo is a little more nuanced so if youre losing to tanks youre either doin it wrong or theres a big gear disparity

but prot does crank too

[opal monolith]

i was thinking that aswell, howeverr there is that one hero talent in slayer where bloodthirst does like that aoe flurry thing

so idk wanted to ask

[red sentinel]

You press BT on cd

[soft merlin]

trinket buffs

[opal monolith]

as slayer aswell?

[barren stone]

thats a fat no?

[vagrant imp]

Hope the trinket buffs are enought to make the 90% that are trash worth it

[dense elbow]

They buffed trash by 20%

20% on 0 is 0

[red sentinel]

On aoe? Yes you press it because of RTS

[barren stone]

only at +6 targets 🤷‍♂️

[opal monolith]

where do u guys get this info

cant gather this from wowhead

[barren stone]

apl

its a bit more in-depth compared to wowhead

[vagrant imp]

🤣🤣

[oblique trail]

For Thane it's pretty negligible if you decide to prio BT > RB in AoE at any target amount really

[opal monolith]

ye i do that but i wanted to know for slayer

as im learning fury in raids atm

and i wasnt sure on cleave

[oblique trail]

I don't have the exact numbers for Slayer, but at 5 targets is when you'd prio BT in AoE ideally

[opal monolith]

THANKS!

[ruby badge]

make zee thug hotline great

i want everyone summoning goons

[barren stone]

its >=6 at least thats what it was in the apl jsut checked and either im retared or its been removed

[rapid forge]

2,4 mio dps for a tank is simply good no matter how i play

[oblique trail]

Shrug I might get the numbers mixed between Thane and Slayer

[barren stone]

still exists for thane though

[oblique trail]

But it really doesn't matter either way

[tidal kindle]

[spare steppe]

THIS SEEMS FAKE

[tidal kindle]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/class-tuning-incoming-march-25/2080741

[dense elbow]

Fury:

• All damage reduced by 15%
• Odyns Fury buffed by 10%
• Bladestorm buffed by 10%

Monkeypaw wish strikes again

[spare steppe]

ooof

[dense elbow]

Dont worry, nothing changes apparently

[oblique trail]

As expected

[thorny cove]

they should make it so whirlwind buff from TB cleaves 8 targets

[barren dagger]

did ret reallly need a buff

is it dogwater in raid?

[calm iris]

I'd be happy even with 5

[dense elbow]

Ret ST is kinda dogwater, ye

They got great AoE in m+ tho, so perfect mix with a Fury warrior

[glad coyote]

how is there zero tuning for fury/arms

[dense elbow]

They bring the AoE, Fury brings the ST

[quiet breach]

based, they didn't touch DPS warrior

[dense elbow]

I kinda wanted to see some AoE increases for Slayer, to make the overall less misserable. But oh well

At least no 15% nerf

[slender perch]

remove aoe cap soon

[dense elbow]

On our AoE CDs

We cant have godtier ST and have godtier sustained AoE

at best we can have godtier ST and decent burst

[rare garnet]

no reason we shouldnt be gods

[slender perch]

st is fine and all but no fun in m+ if you are 1 m below everything else and see a big pull and you hit 10m max

[dense elbow]

The higher we soar, the heavier the fall when blizz clips our wings

They will clip us if we soar too high. So we can only go undetected, being sleeper strong, as it aint seen immediatly on the overall

Noone cares about prio dam, even if it is called prio dam for a reason

We really good at prio dam

[glad coyote]

tbh for m+ im pushing 13's at the moment and im right there with some of the top classes, if your tank stays in combat and you got something to hit at all times we end up on top i will say, if you get out of combat you gotta work for it though, be the first in the pack its rough

[thorny cove]

I'm surprised boomy got buffed. Isn't it already really good?

[dense elbow]

Define right there

[glad coyote]

boomie has uncapped aoe, and is only good in 5+ target pulls

[dense elbow]

3.5m vs 3.4m?

[glad coyote]

yeah

[dense elbow]

Pretty decent then, no complaints to give

[slender perch]

idk my max is only 12's but i cant keep up with the mages dudus etc.

[glad coyote]

see the thing about mages is everybody trying to play fire

[soft merlin]

got any logs wanna see wht your spamming ect

[glad coyote]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jWtzx1qG3d8TQw9P?fight=101&type=summary

this is my cinderbrew 12+

[soft merlin]

ty

[dense elbow]

The higher you go, the more prio dam usually matters and burst from CDs fall off. Allows us to avg out better.
It is why you got two camps in here:
Lower keys, "We are super far behind, please help"
Higher keys, "Just get to 14, and we start to even out and do better as we go up"
Then my camp
"Give us burst AoE, that doesnt matter in high keys, but helps us have fun in low keys!"

I am the bridge between the gap 🙏 blizz listens

[slender perch]

fury doesnt bring much in higher keys tho so no reason to invite one and meele ret and dk just cap higher

[modest condor]

fury brings prio damage and the ability to live

[dense elbow]

We bring prio dam

[glad coyote]

the first pull of cinder you end up 3rd on dps, but as long as you stay in combat and chain pull you can end up top

i get blown away the first pull but if chained i can make a come back

[dense elbow]

I hate to repeat that point over and over, overall isnt all. It is a teamgame. If your UDK blasts adds, and you blast bosses, keys complete easier. Than if you had 2 DKS blast adds doing nothing on bosses.

[modest condor]

the greater community still doesnt understand how tanky fury is, and we just got a 10% stamina buff this season

[glad coyote]

tank dies your the first to die

[dense elbow]

Just meld, noob

[sterile dagger]

icant, me dwarf

[glad coyote]

sorry im dwaft for cleanse

[modest condor]

just dont let your tank die

[restive peak]

I've been dabbling arms now just to see in some 14s...I don't see it as better than fury, I feel I'm more useful as fury still

[dense elbow]

How is the boss dam comparisment?

[glad coyote]

im always on top for boss dmg tbh

[restive peak]

70% as much as arms

[quiet breach]

I love having a million different survivability buttons its great

[glad coyote]

for fury compared to other spec's

[restive peak]

Fury fucks everyone on boss dam by a noticeable amount

[spare steppe]

the giant pulls feels shitty as fury, even though i know we're absolutely shredding the prio target

[dense elbow]

And twice on adds, ye sounds kinda worth it

[restive peak]

They feel a lot better in high keys where you get Cds 3/4 times

[glad coyote]

tbh if we got TB buff like 20% id be extremely happy

[spare steppe]

that's fair, i've just been chilling in 10s

[glad coyote]

or ravager buffed

something to help with aoe

[nova atlas]

doex noxiv take unbridled ferocity instead of 2/2 deft experience to do more boss dps?

[restive peak]

Ye flat dmg profiles always suck in low keys

[spare steppe]

but i imagine the higher keys when surviving matters, fury should feel better too

[restive peak]

I take UF as well, you don't need 2/2 deft to keep enrage up

and we're over mastery soft anyway

[dense elbow]

I like Deft for QoL, that is kinda it

[restive peak]

We just don't need it

We press ramp every other gcd

[dense elbow]

Fair - it kinda like BSV for prot, I just like the cozy feel of the overkill safety of it

I say as I got this going

[spare steppe]

i'm assuming you put a point in battering ram and ravager?

[dense elbow]

Ya aint wrong

[spare steppe]

indomitable feels so unecessary but also a nice amount of max health

i do miss ravager though, lined up with 90s trinkets

[dense elbow]

You only miss indo when your healer is lacking and hard

but that is pwarr discussion to have

[south kayak]

They nerfed WW and fire mage

So surprising

[dense elbow]

They could just write nothing to the poor Augs

[sturdy violet]

massive nerfs to fire and ww, surely this makes warrior the new top pick for m+

[modest condor]

massive

[sturdy violet]

a whole 3% to fire

[celest sierra]

Honestly fuck blizzard and its class dev team. I love how almost all the classes get buffed with these new notes but warrior gets. A nerf (prot)

[oblique trail]

It's almost like warrior numerically is in a fine spot

[south kayak]

it's not massive

[smoky vale]

nah it needs to be nerfed

[spare steppe]

out of curiosity, how come we see authority of the radiant over authority of the depths for m+?

[south kayak]

Warrior does not need a buff lol

[smoky vale]

does more damage

[spare steppe]

isnt that trying to focus on a weakness over a strength

[south kayak]

Maybe fury needs help with their aoe damage in M+

[sturdy violet]

I am shocked by this revelation

[south kayak]

but warriors are in a good place

[torpid garden]

Yeah im slappin, i have no issues with the no changes

[dense elbow]

Friendly reminder, 90% of the time when you disagree with someone, you are in either camp m+ or raid, them in the other.

[celest sierra]

That’s all we need . We don’t need a buff per say we just need this capped crap removed . At least make us do reduced damage past 8 targets

[dense elbow]

I rather they just buffed our AoE tools, the CDs

[south kayak]

I'm surprised they nerfed Shadow priest

[spare steppe]

what if you're that middle of the pack player who is ok at both but not competitive enough to have a well formulated opinion

[viral gulch]

With our 5 target cap we're still fucked.

[bitter palm]

bla bla fury

go play arms

not capped

[dense elbow]

Repeat after me: Our job is not AoE, it is prio dam. And we damned good at it.

Do I think more AoE is neat? Hell yes. Would it be fair we lead overall and prio dam at the same time? Hell no

[viral gulch]

Everything is flipped now, we have good priority/st dmg on m+, but total garbage on bigger pulls.

[bitter palm]

fury was never bad on st

[dense elbow]

Yep, we returned to that

[bitter palm]

legit never

in m+

even when our st tuning is dogwater

we are still good

u lose nothing

swapping to aoe

[dense elbow]

You cant really compare our ST lead now, to s1. Now we crushing it.

[viral gulch]

We should get back our 8 target cap and we'll be one of the strongest picks on m+

[bitter palm]

"get back"

cluegi

ww to 8 yeah

and spec is fixed

like

sub rogue does what fury should be doing kinda

[viral gulch]

But they won't do it

[warped bone]

Prot needed a dang nerf tho 😄 And it's a small one

[bitter palm]

turbo blast prio/st and do good aoe

but sub is much more bursty

[dense elbow]

Cant get back, what we never had. Still, as ppl complain because of the lack of 'fun' more than efficency of DPS in the key. Just bring back the burst AoE so ppl get their dopamine.

[summer quail]

based buff. just to say they got "buffed"

[dense elbow]

:v

[viral gulch]

We don't have any our representative designated to suk blizz's ck, so they will not give us a buff, they will let us rot instead

Sorry for being salty

[dense elbow]

Dont worry, it is understandable. Just try to do your best to change your perspective. Dont get me wrong, I am partly on your side. I am not happy with how it is. Yet, I also accept and understand that for the job we are brought in M+, we are really strong and doing great.

So we ain't really in need of buffs, as much as re-tuning to allow more dopamine to flow.

Flat is boring, but efficent.

[modest condor]

i guess having both our dps specs in the top 5 st damage isnt enough for some people

[dense elbow]

We talking M+, as per usual

[south kayak]

lmfao

[viral gulch]

I really appreciate when i'm topping on bosses, i have a nice crowd control, i'm giving 5% AP to other (stronger) classes, yeah i feel good until...

...bigger pull comes

[dense elbow]

See, it is good

we crush bosses

that is our job

[bitter palm]

nono

[south kayak]

There are people who want to be top 5 in M+ and there are people who want to be top 5 in raid @modest condor

[bitter palm]

we have to crush trash as well

we have to be #1 everywhere

[south kayak]

IT's just a bunch of people complaining about their respective game modes

[warped bone]

I'm so far happy with how i perform in raid as war

[viral gulch]

I don't want to be #1 meta class.

[dense elbow]

I am just glad I got Wicher to turn partly around, become less doomium infused. It aint that bad, just feels off. And it being off is understandable.

[warped bone]

For M+ if i wana DPS i just go paladong

[viral gulch]

I just don't want to be #21 class on M+

[dense elbow]

We are top dogs at what we do, once ppl understand that we will be seen more is phy comps. As the keysystem is a lot more open now, and less punishing, we likely will see more experimental things be tried out.

Hopefully we find a spot in one of those comps

[viral gulch]

@dense elbow Man, pugs will never understand. They will just instantly decline us instead.

[dense elbow]

They will once they crash against the roof, and - if boss dam and survivalbility is what is needed, we will be there.

time will tell

Just dont lose all hope, and remember - you might do 3m and they 4m overall, but you carried the bosses.

Without you, they would do 3.5m overall

[spare steppe]

is there anyone to easily sim weapon stones vs mana oil?

[viral gulch]

@dense elbow Copium hit you hard, but i hope you're right 😄

[warped bone]

Is the trinket tuning already live in nightly anybody know?

[dense elbow]

I am, I just don't like it. I prefer burst AoE fun times

[spare steppe]

its live in latest

[warped bone]

Cheers

[spare steppe]

(as per the discord channel)

[viral gulch]

Yeah that's what i've loved fury about

Now it's gone

[dense elbow]

Now, time to slay some keys, gl out there

o7

[static rock]

for mythic+ are you guys simming 5T or ST? are we also still doing 5 minutes?

[viral gulch]

dungeon slice

[warped bone]

For M+ i often do 5 targets 1 and a half min

[warm crag]

dungeon slice is not updated afaik

[viral gulch]

O_O

[bitter palm]

i just lost my daaaaawg

[static rock]

so don't use DS?

[warm crag]

idk i think you're kind of trolling doing aoe sims at this point anyways

[static rock]

that's why I wanted to know what sims to fricking at this point

[warm crag]

you'd have been using the sprocketmonger trinket in like everything if you followed any sim with even a tiny aoe component

just do an st sim and adjust trinkets appropriately to what you're doing

[modest condor]

?

[warm crag]

maybe feelycraft some extra crit i dont think it will overly change anything

[warm crag]

sims like crazy in aoe no

[modest condor]

no

sims like garbage in aoe

[olive wraith]

With the prot nerfs will fury be better now

[warm crag]

is it an arms thing

[signal heart]

Is noggenfogger elixr from delves good? Sims want me to drop house of cards for it

[modest condor]

sims like garbage for arms as well

[bitter palm]

lockencock trinket

[warm crag]

i saw it go crazy in some sort of aoe sim at some point maybe i am cooked

[rose bay]

Imagine changing ur set up. Just piss harder

[bitter palm]

it was bugged i think

[modest condor]

it was showing really high on bloodmallet because bloodmallet was using st talents for its aoe sims

[warm crag]

king

[modest condor]

the trinket never actually simmed high on aoe

[warm crag]

hate word of mouth simulation craft

[south kayak]

uh oh

25??

[modest condor]

i mean have you seen mistweaver dps?

[south kayak]

I have not actually

surprisingly

[bitter palm]

no i only play with disc priest

[modest condor]

it was doing like 3-4x the other healers or some shit

[warm crag]

jade lightning dps moment

[bitter palm]

nerf holy paladin

[modest condor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/42?class=Healers

[warped bone]

Uuuh. The heck happened here https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7xF7hJwQ6rXNRBKMPeajPp is it not counting my BiS off hand at all?

[warm crag]

my brother in christ

[modest condor]

you have your bis on the wrong version

[warm crag]

thats an intellect bis

[warped bone]

Oo lool. I forgot i played with that before i logged off 😄

[warm crag]

it even says it in yellow noob rahtae

i will tell Wimmy and your career will end

[bitter palm]

noober

good

[warped bone]

It does indeed

@compact siren SHaaame meee

[chilly fractal]

Int weapon

sorry was late hitting enter

[warped bone]

Ye was already told that. I should read everything instead of skipping between items and talents 😄

[bitter palm]

i just ask here

cba reading

[tepid cedar]

even though i dont tank. kindas depressing seeing them hit the prot warr

[warm crag]

???? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dH8D41r3FP777EPDhYQyPi

what the fuck did they do to this trinket

[high inlet]

is there a slayer mplus build

[bitter palm]

wait ihave it

[bitter palm]

bro

viscera

is busted 100%

on st

it was already good

20% buff

[warm crag]

i passed a viscera

gg go next

[bitter palm]

gg

[modest condor]

gg

[forest owl]

i had a viscera for prot xD

[bitter palm]

can u run droptimizer spingus

i cba logging

in

[warm crag]

let me actually go st talents

[warped bone]

Oh noes. I had that in vault but didn't take it ofc :p

[bitter palm]

same

[chilly fractal]

Thank god they are buffing my 5 big red buttons /s

[bitter palm]

i have champ

ratfang

[warm crag]

ratfang angle

[bitter palm]

veteran noggenfrogger

no way it beats

665 pacemaker

and mechano

[static rock]

btw, would you say 88-92% uptime on dawnthread is good? Only basis I have to go off of is last season that 60% was the average, but that feels updated

[bitter palm]

yes

the real question is

[warm crag]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/623thzoYQrcEGjEMkPvNYD

[bitter palm]

do u have it up when it matters but yeah

[warm crag]

xdxd

[bitter palm]

HAHAHAHAH

BRO

NO

I KNEW IT

[modest condor]

idk man http://puu.sh/Kqoor/19b39d332c.png

[warm crag]

let me sim it with noggenfogger

[modest condor]

oh wait im simming aoe

xd

[warm crag]

6 mil sim delete it

[bitter palm]

its useless in aoe

[modest condor]

-0.1% compared to 2 of the best aoe trinkets btw

[bitter palm]

yeah

fuck you blizzard

[modest condor]

i guess we're farming viscera now

[bitter palm]

i knew it bro

it was alreayd good on st

what are they doing

[modest condor]

yeah it was a decent trinket

this was definitely not one of the trinkets that needed a buff

[warm crag]

how are dungeon trinkets better than raid ones now

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fwSvKdRntg73sLQgKTYXAD

Nahhhhhhhh

[warped bone]

ST sim. Still seems weak compared to my delve ones

[modest condor]

658 tho

[warped bone]

I mean that's a 678 Hatred

[warped bone]

Well ye because my current trinkets are 658

[modest condor]

fair

[tepid cedar]

this is jsut to hard top put down. pacemnaker+mechano was simming higher than eye+mecha

[bitter palm]

im simming rn

vers specs in shambles btw

[restive peak]

Man had a mythic viscera in 1 of my vaults

[bitter palm]

i had ravenous honey buzzer in 2

vaults

this is blizzs revenge on me

i ran 10t 💔

[oblique trail]

Guys I heard this was gonna be good soon, anyone confirm?

[bitter palm]

no

it did like 1%

overall

[warped bone]

Dang. And as said earlier had that in this weeks vault but was a big loss then.

[bitter palm]

noggen

is huge

[forest owl]

where is noggy from?

[oblique trail]

Delve

[south kayak]

The noggenfogger guy can die from raid damage

[warped bone]

At least big red button is still shit. Had that in vault also

Both of them.

[warped bone]

Well then i guess i don't care for that trinket 😄

[eager mulch]

Waot is vault loot today or tuesday im too old

[oblique trail]

Tuesday/Wednesday for NA/EU

[eager mulch]

Yea ok so same i honestly got to 80 without even looking for the calendar- shaming myself now lol

[bitter palm]

big sim

[chilly fractal]

take your 665 Mechano-core and git out

git

[bitter palm]

https://tenor.com/view/pls-god-strike-this-individual-down-strike-down-god-kanye-kanye-cat-gif-9334290556842141514

[warped bone]

How i feel about my alt DH. It got both delve trinkets HC while my main war only have normal 💔

[forest owl]

what would be better in m+ funhouse lens 658 or pacemaker same ilvl, i've been running pacemaker so far just wondering if the 1.5m trinket would be better for cds

[whole yacht]

you guys are getting delve trinkets?

[forest owl]

yeah i got a champ mechano like day 2 of the season lol

[signal heart]

time to swap

[whole yacht]

ive gotten fuckin NOTHING

[signal heart]

I think ive gotten every delve trinket twice but no mechano core

aswell as no pacemaker

[forest owl]

i watched some dk get a 649 pacemaker yesterday...and a warbound 639 or something

[mortal osprey]

noggenfogger scales with attack speed (the minions get ur attack speed) so with the buff, its great

[tepid cedar]

guess i need the 678 viscera

[steep lynx]

wow i fucking sold my noggen champ track this morning might have to go get that back

[flat river]

pain

[tepid cedar]

lower than 658 eye

[steep lynx]

and i had a hero vscera i sold also jesus christ

[forest owl]

[bitter palm]

go farm noggenfrgoger

pacemaker dead

gg

go next

[modest condor]

5 chances at viscera

[forest owl]

yay noggenfrogger let's gooo

[summer quail]

you can just restore

[warped bone]

Item restoration ez pz

[steep lynx]

yea im about to just funny the day i choose to clean my bags all the shit i sold is apparently good now lol

[flat river]

is it BiS?

[summer quail]

thank fuk it's not outsimming for me

[warped bone]

For me at equal ilvl it's a 9k loss vs my current trinkets in ST

[flat river]

wait how do i sim only trinkets

[tepid cedar]

lol

70k loss for me

[flat river]

HOW

[forest owl]

pacemaker deadge

[oblique trail]

Are you running latest

[summer quail]

yeah, but my trinkets are very good

[forest owl]

yeah change to latest it will sim right

[oblique trail]

It was a 20k increase over 665 HoC/Seaforium/Rik

[south kayak]

is viscera str only?

[oblique trail]

For me at least

[tepid cedar]

oh noo

[forest owl]

better get ready to farm that noggenfroggery

[tepid cedar]

now im sacred i dinty do that lol

[summer quail]

i'm running eye of kezan and mechano

hc mechano

[south kayak]

I really hope they nerf noggenfogger

fuck sake

[summer quail]

max ilvl viscera simming variance tho

[flat river]

how plz

[oblique trail]

?

Just go do droptimiser, gear compare or top gear mate

[tepid cedar]

LOLOL + 24k over a eye of kezzan

[slim coral]

W trinket buffs

[steep lynx]

thank fuck hated that everyone need that shit didnt think id ever get one defo gonna be some change ups

[restive peak]

No fuckin shot that rat toxin is up big LOL

[young swan]

thats noggenfogger deluxe

[south kayak]

please

nerf

noggenfogger

please

[restive peak]

Ye but ratfang was the second best LOL

[restive peak]

^

[south kayak]

The decision to make delve trinkets good

is trash

I don't wanna do delves

[slim coral]

well they already were good

this just gives more options

[south kayak]

especially with such a big pool

and insane rng

[warped bone]

Like somebody said earlier. The dude you spawn can die to raid abilities

[south kayak]

one map per week

vault

[south kayak]

That was me

[warped bone]

Well then it's no issue right :D?

bait sim

[slim coral]

Nice

[south kayak]

depends on the timing

[steep lynx]

ugh

[south kayak]

good luck getting that to drop for you

[warped bone]

I've had it in vault twice.

Now I'll never see it. But no biggy i guess seeing it's pure ST

[warm crag]

im replacing hoc for this

this is So Bad

[young swan]

blow up buddy

[warm crag]

i dont need to

i chug the noggenfogger deluxe and stack up my eye of kezan

[summer quail]

ahh i had sim set to 8 minutes. now noggenfogger is hard outsimming kezan...

[slim coral]

thats a sick effect tho

is it good in aoe

have you tested it

[summer quail]

why blizzard

[warm crag]

its a guy meleeing your enemy

how is it gonna be good in aoe

[slim coral]

idk figured he cleaved or something

[south kayak]

he does not

[oblique trail]

He hurts a lot in ST

But it's a fuck awful trinket to use probably in practice

Especially if he can perish 👍

[warm crag]

proof of death?

[warped bone]

Just test if for us Spongie. Go stand in AoE

[slim coral]

would be weird if he could die

[forest owl]

blizz knew we loved brann in delves, now we get a trinket with a brann npc that dies to every aoe

[warm crag]

oh he does have an aoe moveset

[warm crag]

thats fucked maybe dodge that

[south kayak]

How you have that trinket

[warm crag]

was my first map shrug

[south kayak]

Some people are just so lucky

[warped bone]

I mean he wasn't lucky back then. 😄

[south kayak]

It’s insane

[warm crag]

yeah idk if im lucky to get a useless trinket that got buffed that is about to be hotfixed back to being useless

[south kayak]

Idk if it’s gonna get nerfed

They just buffed it

[warm crag]

some tc said its getting hotfixed

idk idc

[south kayak]

For outlaw

Only

[warm crag]

doubt

[warped bone]

Just wait and see i guess.

[south kayak]

So basically it gets 100% attack speed

Nobody has anything like that except outlaw

Maybe they’ll nerf it globally after realizing it’s actually good and they overbuffed

[warm crag]

its still a random trinket that most ppl vendored and might not want to restore

[south kayak]

Yeah I’m hoping they do nerf it

But who knows

[chilly fractal]

thankfully had a champion track Noggenfogger I could item restore

[warm crag]

i hope they dont but im biased since i just spent like 600 flightstones on upgrading a hc track one shrug

[south kayak]

So easy to get flightstones but understandable

[warped bone]

I hope they burn it to the ground because i didn't pick it in vault twice

[south kayak]

Based

[warped bone]

[south kayak]

This kind of tuning hurts because you passed on shit when it was bad

And now it feels bad

When it’s good

[summer quail]

or you picked something that was bis before, but isn't anymore

[warm crag]

i think they just hotfix disabled him

[warped bone]

last vault was suuuper bad also. Literally so bad it was nearly socket angle

[summer quail]

either way it does not feel good

[south kayak]

Yeah

[south kayak]

They did what lol

Just deleted him?

[warm crag]

hes not doing any damage anymore

[south kayak]

[warped bone]

lol

[tidal kindle]

Heroic kez?

[warm crag]

im testing against a real mob not a target dummy sec

[south kayak]

Ok so they’re aware lmao

[south kayak]

Maybe he died to aoe

[warm crag]

i have hc kezan and hoc and its replacing the hoc

[oblique trail]

Maybe your idiot is just dumb

And my idiot is smarter

[warm crag]

i was testing against a target dummy and i am testing against a real mob now when the cd resolves

[summer quail]

idk i have it on my mage as well. h's doing less now, tho might be variance

[warped bone]

Also spongie you have Eye and Card heroic with tert stats? You disgusting man

[oblique trail]

Of course

[warm crag]

ye no he is killing stuff

[oblique trail]

He's spoonfed like always

[south kayak]

Wasn’t he fed

[warm crag]

i sim 100k less than banezi and have 4 less ilvl than him

idk whos really spoonfed here

[south kayak]

Why not both

[warm crag]

(i am spoonfed i just cant spend my gilded crests until stix falls)

[neon ice]

viscera is good now?

i have a hero viscera on my bank

[warm crag]

in pure st ye

sim it

[south kayak]

Is viscera only str

[sour tundra]

so where are the fury buffs?

[warm crag]

why do you want buffs lol

[south kayak]

Or agi too

[south kayak]

Top 5 raid spec

Wants buffs

[warm crag]

clueful

[oblique trail]

Ok but your sim is also with AoE talents you cretin

[junior gale]

Cluegi

[oblique trail]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7QuU45JHSkgfqTGe2QHiYB this is with ST

[warm crag]

you play 0 fights in ST spec and 11 of them in aoe

[warped bone]

Aah waiting to see if you craft wep or thread?

[tepid cedar]

lol our 2 bis trinkets may be both coming from delve RNG onmly LOL

[oblique trail]

There aren't even more than 4 fights in the raid

[warm crag]

ok sorry you outgear me by 6 ilvls and outsim me by 120k

[oblique trail]

Can you even count?

[warm crag]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/m4Gon2qZT2SWFmrfxBpkjq

[south kayak]

Ok fellas simmer down

[oblique trail]

You're quite literally about to fight The singular ST boss in the raid you bomm

[chilly fractal]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wrYkBCXAqAKPMhzX5RmZyT

you are just beating me 😦

[warm crag]

like you literally sim 300k higher than me

[warped bone]

Wish i had these HC. My DH alt have both ;_;

[south kayak]

I saw some ret with both of these hc

And they weren’t upgraded

[warped bone]

[junior gale]

delves trinkets arent that much better than the raid ones cba doing a delve for that shit

[oblique trail]

I certainly did not go out of my way to get this trinket either

I was just unfortunate enough to acquire it from a map

[junior gale]

https://tenor.com/view/dora-themap-imthe-gif-22214617

[warm crag]

banezi 🤝 hc noggenfogger

[warped bone]

Both maps have given me trinkets. Sadly it was Papas putter both times 😄

[formal geode]

either im blind or insane but the pirate dude is clearly hitting the dummy but none of my shit is tracking the damage, what am i missing here

[warm crag]

ye its just failing against target dummies for me aswell

[clever belfry]

mappus

[warm crag]

go hit random enemies in the open world hes still doing damage

[formal geode]

ah chill, ty chief

[oblique trail]

He's still doing damage

but it doesn't appear on details

shrug

[warm crag]

noob

@oblique trail how dare you call me spoonfed when you outsim me by 300k dps?

[south kayak]

Does he attack faster with haste

Check with frenzied enrage

[oblique trail]

I really am too lazy to sit here and do that

[south kayak]

Fair lol

[oblique trail]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xwA8A6dh9nWjMscuWXDUZN weird you sim more than me?

can you stop cheating

[warm crag]

no offhand

[south kayak]

Lmao

[warped bone]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4UfFfNC66djDiqXxP2c1ND sim more than Spongie. Way worse in reality tho 😄

[tepid cedar]

LOLOL mechano and noggen both sim higher than a 678 pace+665eye. this is depressing

[chilly fractal]

take your best-in-slots and git out of here.... go on git

[warped bone]

At least this time i didn't sim it as a int wep Mobbo!

[chilly fractal]

GIT

[warped bone]

Actually let's do that

[warm crag]

i mean u do outsim me rn ye

[warped bone]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fWp5GPYdC2KiXxXCY1LLaN

[warm crag]

i have 180 gilded crests to waste lol

[chilly fractal]

I had to see a heroic go to a feral and d-voker, and a normal to a boomkin...

[warped bone]

Int wep!

[chilly fractal]

next week 1 drops or I get a myth weapon in my vault or riot

[warm crag]

ye using int bis isnt as much of a dps loss as i expected

[warped bone]

So waiting on dat junkboi axe before crafting?

[warm crag]

hopefully it drops

shrug

if it does i will probs be the highest simming warrior

[warped bone]

Pog

[chilly fractal]

sounds like sandbagging

[gleaming siren]

Colossus Arms sieben

[median kestrel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9CbEGpT7PR8K9voYUKNsXe

no bis or mech sadge

[warped bone]

I went with wep craft to help every lil bit i could on our junk kill. That's hopefully tomorrow

[warm crag]

where is your noggenfogger noob

get with the times

[chilly fractal]

take your Myth track weapon and GIT

[warm crag]

why the fuck did you craft cloak and wrists mythic ilvl

[gleaming siren]

me when Blizzard has already queued the hotfix nerf

[warm crag]

despair

[oblique trail]

ok you call me out when you have this many crests

you little cretin

[warm crag]

im not gonna spend them

therefore you are spoonfed

[gleaming siren]

He says he won't spend them

[oblique trail]

You will be benched forever

[gleaming siren]

yet he will be forced to

[median kestrel]

big ilvl go brrrr

[warped bone]

Man if i had both my current trinkets HC instead 💔 or the noggen one

[median kestrel]

i have the noggenfogger and suspicious on hero but noggen doesnt sim like that

[oblique trail]

Are you on latest

Or nightly/weekly

[median kestrel]

weekly

[oblique trail]

Would recommend always just using latest

[gleaming siren]

Needs to be latest

[median kestrel]

how i change it

[gleaming siren]

To have trinket tuning

[median kestrel]

wait do i put it on

[fringe anchor]

no fury aoe buffs in the class tuning 😭

[chilly fractal]

this is clearly just tuning based on raid performance

[tepid cedar]

this dude won the lottery LOL

yea put them on

[median kestrel]

guys am i winning

[warped bone]

Gz 😄

[chilly fractal]

nope no Mechano-core

get back to delves, loser

someone make a mean girls meme with the get in loser we're going shopping, but put Brann's face on her and say get in loser we're going delving

[warped bone]

How i feel This weeks delve i got Core in the bountiful chest and papas putter in the HC one ;_; So close to greatness

[chilly fractal]

pretty sure thats how my map chest was except it was a crit haste ring or something

other was noggenfogger

[spare steppe]

i've gotten 3 heroic of the garbage pile shit

[warped bone]

Ye not using any of my HC delve items

All hot shit on war

[midnight kite]

Like all of my als have gotten pirate trinket but my main hasent seen one

[warped bone]

Same on pala. only DH has been super lucky in delve

Or well.. Ish. The energy drink is kinda meh seeing i mostly tank. But very nice for havoc

[chilly fractal]

Mostly tank and you got a Heroic Best in slots? put a ticket into blizzard to have yours sent to me

[warped bone]

On the bright side. Only 1 delve needed every week thanks to the summon nemesis item

[warped bone]

I did say DH 😄

[chilly fractal]

selective reading

[warped bone]

I mean I'm the guy that simmed a droptimizer with my BiS as int

I feel ya

[chilly fractal]

next week I see a Myth track weapon in my vault for sure tho

[warped bone]

🙏

[chilly fractal]

our Blood, Unholy and Ret all have Myth track weapons

[warped bone]

I just hope i get a fun vault. First was 5k ST inc this week was nearly a socket angle.

[summer quail]

noggen

[warped bone]

I had that this week 💔

Obviously didn't pick

[summer quail]

surely they will nerf it again

[south kayak]

[summer quail]

will nerf it next week after people have picked vault. might as well since their timing is so shit anyway

[south kayak]

Assuming they ever nerf it

[feral ivy]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hjwkQ6RWJBarKnGA?fight=3&view=replay wtf

51 second kill normal

[south kayak]

It does like 25m per cast for outlaw lol

[modest condor]

edited log file

[south kayak]

But it’s bugged for them

[modest condor]

just report it

[glad coyote]

is raidbots updated with the trinket changes yet?

[south kayak]

Ye

[feral ivy]

oh lol how

[modest condor]

go to the rankings and click on the flag behind the parse

[feral ivy]

tyty .. threw me off hard

[upbeat plume]

nobody move

we dodged the hammer

[clever belfry]

ratfang angle

[jagged socket]

thoughts on fury 4p?

am i reaching for thinking is meh

[quiet breach]

holy shit im on the 3rd boss and i havent died yet

im getting BETTER

[oblique trail]

Yeah guys I don't think this noggenfogger guy is it..

[south kayak]

What happened

Did he die lol

[oblique trail]

He was alive at all times

He never perished

[south kayak]

That’s sus damage

Shouldn’t he be doing more

How many times did you use trinket

[oblique trail]

Idk like 10-11 times

[south kayak]

I see

[warm crag]

noggenfogger confirmed awful trinket dont equip it

[forest owl]

thank god

[civic tundra]

how can i check mine isnt showing in my details

[midnight kite]

Noggenfogger (645) does like 6-7m per use on my rat priest alt but that is a bit inflated by PI

[wise solar]

So I simmed Noggenfogger + Eye of Kezan + Mechano-Core Amplifier.

Seems like Eye of Kezan + Mechano-Core Amplifier is still better for both ST and MT, am I right?

[warm crag]

its extremely fucked on details

[warm crag]

no lol

aoe idc you should probs still be playing hoc kezan but in st its just better than cards for me

[south kayak]

How come

[wise solar]

I mean [Eye of Kezan + Mechano-Core Amplifier] combination is still better, than anything else for me somehow.

[warm crag]

what ilvls

[warm crag]

banezi posted an m+ log look at it

[wise solar]

665 both

[warm crag]

link the sim

are you on latest?

[wise solar]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eUsHd8BFZrEpSs4S8DtJuV

[south kayak]

Apparently the trinket procs multiple pirates

One of them doesn’t show in detail

Big guy

[warm crag]

what the fuck is a 10 minute sim

[south kayak]

So it’s still good

It’s just you don’t see his damage

[wise solar]

Ahh yes, 5 mins is diff result 🙂
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oB5yBCAcWxrKNZS9EPh7Qa

[midnight kite]

theres a few outlaw parses with pirates at 7-8%... dated yesterday

[warm crag]

half of these sims will go into second lust jesus

[gleaming siren]

They also have insanely big attack speed steroids

so it will be vastly superior for them compared to others

[warm crag]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iaqbYieSpaUgaUeKJzDdo4 ya idk i have this

[gleaming siren]

I have heard that a hotfix to nerf it back is already pending

[midnight kite]

Ye I mainly picked outlaw because their bloodmallet chart is hallarious rn

take a look

[warm crag]

this is probably also undersimming since its sending noggenfogger in cds instead of bis

[gleaming siren]

I saw it

[bitter palm]

fed

[warm crag]

true

[bitter palm]

typical

[brisk talon]

at 658, just doing single target testing but it seems alright

[bitter palm]

tmy 663 no crests spent

not fed

[chilly fractal]

Yea I just did 2 uses where the damage didn't show on details

[bitter palm]

not at all

[warm crag]

extremely normal

[bitter palm]

he has like

5 myth pieces

[warm crag]

itll probs show on logs

[bitter palm]

not fed

[chilly fractal]

did not show on my combat log either

[oblique trail]

@warm crag noob

[warm crag]

he popped cds on me after asking me to only whirlwind the pirate

?

[warped bone]

[oblique trail]

slander?

[forest owl]

always take em by surprise king

[chilly fractal]

scoreboard

[heavy sparrow]

Which tier set should they bring back as a talent for fury?

[warm crag]

pile on

[oblique trail]

s2 df

[heavy sparrow]

I liked that one

Strong af BT+ extra rage

[oblique trail]

You are lost sorry

[chilly fractal]

man... Anyone remember Arms tier set for HFC?

[heavy sparrow]

Is it worthy of a talent though? Maybe

[chilly fractal]

When it was bugged

[oblique trail]

We already have Bloodcraze

[chilly fractal]

and you could just spam mortal strikes

[oblique trail]

there you go

[heavy sparrow]

Well i mean, if shit like 10% damage can become a talent i don't see why an actual option couldn't

[oblique trail]

I don't think it necessarily needs to do more damage either

(2x VC)

Can hit even higher than that if you're Thane

[chilly fractal]

I wish we could replace Spear with AA

[fair swallow]

is it better to use culling cyclone and opportunist?

[bitter palm]

no

[fair swallow]

maybe i'm doing something wrong then, because a warrior whose 5ilvl below me is able to keep up damage with those talents

granted he also does have 4 pc and i haven't been able to get it yet

[edgy widget]

correlation =! causation

[summer quail]

you sure he isn't just better?

[fair swallow]

he might be lol

i literally said i might be doing something wrong lol

[slender apex]

So whats the new best trinket boys

?

[chilly fractal]

Big Red Button /s

[lapis eagle]

algari sigil

[slender apex]

Torq's?

[supple lotus]

have the recent trinket changes impacted fury bis?

[signal jolt]

thane or slayer for m+

[alpine steppe]

Can I confirm Slayer ST opener because following WoWhead and a log I don't have enough rage to follow it lol.

Something dumb Im doing I bet

[earnest canyon]

Thane by miles

[oblique trail]

Are you doing reck -> Avatar-> charge, or avatar -> reck

Very important difference

[alpine steppe]

Oh I see where I have gone wrong...

I was doing Ava > Reck

[supple lotus]

just get the opener macro

why press 3 buttons when you can press one

[oblique trail]

Because the ability to think for yourself is pretty important too

[alpine steppe]

Then I'd have to keybind an extra button

[oblique trail]

Reck -> Avatar macro is fine

Just have reck separate if you do this, in the event you want to use reck but not avatar yet

There can be fringe cases where this is applicable

[supple lotus]

ye no I was talking about reck avatar trinkets racials charge just for the opener

[oblique trail]

I would never put charge into that macro

But I'm also just of the mind in general that just because you can macro something, doesn't mean you should

Because on a fight like Rik, or Cauldron, where its actually technically speaking ideal to pre-use your CDs (Rik maybe not so much, depends on if you need the barrel damage desperately, havent looked into it enough), you'd need to always make sure you're out of charge range, or have them separately bound anyway, to not accidentally pull

[supple lotus]

why are you pre using on rick?

[oblique trail]

Because of the barrels that spawn at 1:25

At least on mythic

Idk about hc timers, don't care about them

If you preuse 5-6 sec before pull, you'll have Avatar and Roar right as the barrel set spawns

[supple lotus]

Havent done mythic yet but can confirm on heroic you just turn brain off and use it on pull

[quiet breach]

what rank of guild do dps checks stop existing and killing a boss is purely based on executing the mechanics correctly?

roughly

[tidal kindle]

Well for gallywix it was world 1....

I'm in like us 30-40 guild and I feel like dps checks aren't real for us, we just troll mechs too much collectively

Which is about world 100?

[chilly fractal]

both big red buttons

[torpid elbow]

i usally only do than for m+ and slayer heroic

'raid*

[sudden tusk]

idk

90% of the time doing the right thing is a worse parse

just focus on mechanics while doing as much dam as possible. if you end up having to do some freaky shit it is what it is

[earnest canyon]

This is why I hate parsing

its fine in classic as there is nothing else to do

[sudden tusk]

i mean sometimes parsing just means you get no mechanics

rng not getting a ball on stix and there ya go

[earnest canyon]

idk how that is fun though....killing the boss and gearing your homies is fun

i realise I am an outlier

if its pure patchwerk, like literally hitting a dummy, then parsing is fun, else not

[quiet breach]

i felt like i was lagging a bit sometimes in the last raid

was weird

especially was noticable during bloodlust

like my buttons were sticky or something

is that because of the spellqueuewindow 200 thing i added

isnt the default 400 so i shouldve been even laggier before right?

[restive pewter]

anyone know if its worth using mastery flask over chaos if u have bis

and it keeps fucking rolling haste on use instead of mastery

[dense elbow]

If buttons feel sticky, that is spellqueing in my experience. You click something, but it still casts something else, and things feel clunky and non responsive.

The higher the window, the more sticky. But it could be worse, with not big enough of a window you could miss casting anything at all

[dense elbow]

Better sim yourself and see. Consumables are at the bottom section, under advances options

[restive peak]

Yep this is correct lol

We all have so much gear from splits and a general skill, if everyone just stopped trying to giga parse in all the top 100 guilds we’d be done quicker

[tidal kindle]

We didn't even do splits till this expac and it didn't feel that tight in the past

Bosses generally aptly nerfed by the time we got to them

Tindral got massacred but that fight is a diff story

[restive peak]

Yeah, I mean look at what they’ve done to these bosses already

Tindral was wild in the early going, I’m one of those idiots who prefers the hardest version

I always get pissed when we’re progging and a nerf happens

[graceful elk]

Ok I am about to craft my max weapon

What should I put on iot

[earnest canyon]

sim it

haste mastery came out better than the mastery vers recommended, but ive got gear since then, so maybe i need to recraft

[cunning shard]

Guys anyone have a cheat sheet on which bosses I should play arms and what bosses I should play fury? Trying to get some parses

[dense elbow]

I would just do my research, logs and lorrrgs

See what and how things are done

[cunning shard]

Someone just said it weeks ago and I copied it and it worked and now I can’t find where I saved it lol

[chilly fractal]

Play every boss as fury and every boss as arms

Get parses in both specs

[cunning shard]

Yeah true good idea lol

I just wanna be #1 dps in my raid so I’m trying to tryhard lol

I wish colossus arms was the play in every scenario. So fun to play demolish

[turbid bay]

fury does well in all fights

in mythic you might play arms for enrage fights like mug zee where the first half the fight doesnt really matter dps wise

[verbal garden]

Which keys are better for Arms vs Fury and vice versa?

[stoic star]

Does Fury Loot Specialization let you roll NEED ( main spec ) on 1-Hand weapons and 2-Hand weapons?

I feel like ive been Fury loot spec before and it considered a 2-Hand as Offspec in group loot.

[olive wraith]

Yes

[olive wraith]

Was it an int/agi wep by chance

[stoic star]

but does it consider it a main spec roll? i think it doesnt on 2hands back in past expacs

I always roll Arms Loot spec in raid for the 2handers but im pugging mugzee and I want the 1 handers but also want the DPS trinket just for fun

[turbid bay]

@verbal garden arms is better in almost all keys, think fury is better TOP

[stoic star]

so was wondering if I went fury loot spec I could roll on both

[olive wraith]

I’m pretty sure I was able to roll main spec when I’m in fury loot

For 2h

[alpine steppe]

Can I trust raidbot circlet gem sims?

[stoic star]

I just spent 200k on mugzee haste mastery neck

to find out that the wowhead guide archi makes says its not bis

what has the world come to

Its not Master>Haste?

Why all the heavy Haste necks.