fury

[vale dove]

the amount of patience to pug that io

is applaudable

xD

[rotund ginkgo]

idk man

is it

ive always pugged 20 below cutoff and always gave up cuz the deeper u go into the season the worse it gets

like, the playerbase gets worse + the "sorry cant inv warr" gets worse

i got title once

[vale dove]

ye no i agree

[rotund ginkgo]

like 20 rio is ltierally two keys

but that will take u legit 3 weeks

lol

[vale dove]

but i spend like more time looking for a key than playing the game

[rotund ginkgo]

yeah

[vale dove]

when trying to go 11-12+

[glad coyote]

anybody surprised theres no tuning yet?

[wheat lantern]

@vale dove that name triggers me as I was grouped in a +10 with a monk named that and he did 1.5M overall

[vale dove]

and it really annoys me so i just tank 10s and get my vault done 🤣

[sterile dagger]

im surprised that we didnt get our uncap on ww buff

[vale dove]

🤮 wasnt me haha

[wheat lantern]

I was baffled , I got scammed into a free carry

[sterile dagger]

legit we lacking those 10-15% beyond 5 targets

[wheat lantern]

Was top dps of the whole key and chief that AINT it

[vale dove]

i dont think we get touched if there is any tuning tbh

[glad coyote]

trying to keep up with a unholy DK in floodgate is impossible

[vale dove]

i can see monks getting nerfed

[wheat lantern]

Worst key of my life, but at least wick leads dropped

[vale dove]

and fire mages left alone because blizz

[chrome summit]

Agree. I end up going tank in the end just to be able to play if noone of my tank/heal friends is on. Even my own keys as dps hard get ppl to apply if dont go as tank xD

[vale dove]

if u list a key you can see the problem though

[summer quail]

monks will definetely get nerfed

[vale dove]

theres 50+ dps signs instantly to keys

[chrome summit]

I have had hard get any to apply this season. Been wondering Whats up. But thats for like 8-9 keys

[glad coyote]

the issue is the bulk of the player base is doing 10's and higher already

so no one is signing up for lower keys

gotta stay with the pack until people start playing alt's

[coarse nest]

It’s really challenging to fill 8/9

[vale dove]

8/9s are dead keys

[queen linden]

I don't want to speak too early, but I think we might skate through the next nerf wave untouched 👀

Great job sandbagging everybody! Keep it up 💪

[low folio]

if even 8 and 9s are hard to fill, that kinda sounds like a lack of players playing the game

[dense elbow]

8/9s is in that deadzone, 6/7 is hero track gear farm, 7 is gilden crest farm, 10 is weekly chest farm - push content is 12+

Nooone really touches 8-9s, as there is no reason to do so

[low folio]

oh right i forgot they still have vault at 10s and up only

[dense elbow]

Protip, if you got a 8 or 9, just write 7 in title

ppl dont care, it gets bulldozed either way, you just get the big ilvl options

[queen linden]

This

[thick fossil]

Wonder how long the servers will be down today.

[dense elbow]

No patchnotes, so I presume not at all

[tender seal]

New half spark this reset ?

[granite crown]

New half spark every reset

[dense elbow]

Yes and no. Most people still don't have their gear yet, so data is all over the place. RWF isnt really an indicator on how things will pan out the next few months as ppl do.
I would like to see some, and hope to see some Fury re-shuffeling of the dam profile and some buffs of our non-rotationals.
But that is some raw copium into my veins believing that got a chance

[granite crown]

#news message

[frank dawn]

pass me the copium

[dense elbow]

[frank dawn]

oof

[dense elbow]

Ye, it is quite powerful

it equals my WW damage, so you know the value per press is insane

[frank dawn]

well, when you put it that way

we must nerf the OF...we must nerf it again

[dense elbow]

Nerf OF!

[south kayak]

I need to know what the song on sprocket is

[remote bobcat]

lol

[wooden lagoon]

im a little confuse on the prio in execute

everythign kinds synergize so much

[fervent yoke]

These myth slots better hit I gamed my ass off this week

[wooden lagoon]

like rb buffs your rampage but u need to bt more and still execute lol is there a more detailed breakdown somweher on here i can snag

[remote bobcat]

you dont press execute much more

only a lil bit

you just giga prio BT if you have vicious contempt

[wooden lagoon]

does it need a bit of crit buff or just always send bt

[dense elbow]

Why cast Exe, when you can cast RB for more crit chance for BT and Ramp boost

[wooden lagoon]

ok so execute is just really filler and to keep stacks

[remote bobcat]

execute is one of the worst buttons we have

[wooden lagoon]

and bt goes up in prio

[remote bobcat]

as fury

[dense elbow]

Execute is basically our lowest prio filler, with exceptions of refreshing jugg and spending stacks as slayer

[remote bobcat]

^

[dense elbow]

it is freaking sad, and terrible design

but is what it is

[remote bobcat]

execute exists to make bladestorm a real ability because bladestorm casts bloodthirsts (an actual good spell)

[dense elbow]

But BS is 10% of your overall on AoE, that is huge. Prob should nerf it some more.

[smoky vale]

hi

[dense elbow]

hi

[remote bobcat]

just dont forget that m+ windwalker has better ST than fury while having more AoE than fury

👍

[dense elbow]

Ye, but we buff them, so part of that is our dam

[remote bobcat]

kekW

[low folio]

they buff us too

[remote bobcat]

hi gio

Wave

[smoky vale]

https://tenor.com/view/cherryfurby-whos-awesome-youre-awesome-glitter-puppy-dog-gif-3998145459110226674

[dense elbow]

I am so mad, I been bouncing between priory and brew 12-13s

Give me a real and fun key

I beg

[sudden tusk]

UP

[radiant plank]

down

[sudden tusk]

vault not up

[dense elbow]

I 🙏 for ya'll good luck

[frank dawn]

I want Priory, Brew, and Floodate to all have less trash and nerfed trash lol

Floodgate especially needs less trash

[winter shoal]

vault always waits until 11et/8pt

[fading sky]

Floodgate trash is... pretty annoying

[steep lynx]

does anyone know about the thing u use to spawn the underpin in the delves being able to drop hero track gear that u can do every 24 hrs ? to farm the trinket for fury

[fading sky]

24?

[steep lynx]

someone was telling me about this but wasnt sure if it was true

[fading sky]

Its once per qeek

The map

Unless ive missed something

[steep lynx]

nah they werent talking about the map i think they were talking about gear it drops but didnt believe it and i couldnt remember if it dropped hero track or champion

i know the delvers bounty is hero

[eager thorn]

wave scrambler 2000 is weekly not daily

[winter shoal]

It's no longer able to be sold on AH right

[eager thorn]

correct

[winter shoal]

How do I get 2k undercoins

[steep lynx]

bet yea seemed way 2 good to be true was about to blow all my undercoins on that shit

[eager thorn]

farm delves

[winter shoal]

no

[fading sky]

Also he never dropa hero track?

[eager thorn]

the item also works for everyone in the group

[fading sky]

He drops a map to get s herp track item

[eager thorn]

so if you have friends you can have them use their scrambler

and still get the map

[fading sky]

So 5 maps a week?

[steep lynx]

^^ yea i couldnt remember if he dropped hero or champion i got the trinket champion just gonna be rough if i see it in vault and i got mythic shit to take 😦

[vale dove]

it drops Champ track not hero track

I got the trinket from him, on champ track

in a Tier 11 delve

only way to get hero track delve gear is vault and weekly bounty map

[steep lynx]

yea thats how i got mine aswell now its a slog trying to get it hero cant believe its like one of our best trinkets and it comes out of a delve

[thorny cove]

no weapon 😦

[steep lynx]

wow i got absolute garbage 2 gloves and a belt

[thorny cove]

I got bis dungeon belt with socket.. not amazing but not terrible either

[nova atlas]

not best-in-slots but still BiS stats weapon

[thorny cove]

welp hopefully now I can get my missing spark to craft 675 wep at least

how much currency should you spend on a myth track piece? just max it out?

[quiet breach]

i think i go trinket here right? i have hero tier helm, 2 catalysts, and a hero tier token.

[vale reef]

n

[quiet breach]

my trinkets are house of cards and goregrinders spare keys

normal mode

double use trinkets is garbage

[summer quail]

yes. trinket any day of the week

[calm mantle]

gotta be ring over wrists right? since crafting wrists in a week probably?

[steep fable]

do I have to take the weapon because it is "very rare"? Or is the trinket too good?

[quiet breach]

DAMNNNNN u got a goated vault

[near wing]

Holy fuck haha

That’s awesome

[calm mantle]

are they both myth track?

[covert blaze]

NA up?

[quiet breach]

ye

[steep fable]

I actually don't even know what to do here 😬
Both hero track

[rigid stirrup]

unless he's a RWF raider then its a no

[quiet breach]

and to answer ur question i dont know, i would wait until one of the warrior 5heads answers u

before touching ur vault

[near wing]

I wish they would release a companion app that lets you check vault remotely

[steep fable]

this. I have never had 2 uber-BiS in the same vault before. There are sims of course, but very rare is very rare I guess?

[quiet breach]

wait, so is that trinket hero track and the wep mythic track?

[steep fable]

both hero

[obtuse palm]

Does BT or RB priority change with 4p, depending on proc? is it something I have to track?

[quiet breach]

ye thats a tough call, def wait to get opinions from the 5headers

[kind bolt]

in one armed bandit in a shock flame combination if we add flame shock does it cause enrage

instead of adding shock flame

[marble schooner]

LET ME INNN

[floral frigate]

anyone else not seeing their weekly blacksmithing quest?

[quiet breach]

too excited to see what u got from santa

[marble schooner]

are you implying this guy is Wolfdisco

[marble schooner]

Im excited af to get my weekly depression pill

[merry zinc]

Got the delve amplifier on hero track, no more delves for the season god bless

[feral ivy]

anyone getting this?

[quiet breach]

is this a sim website?

[feral ivy]

yea

[prime saddle]

does it work if you lock one of the trinkets? It might be a thing to prevent you picking 2 great vault options

[tidal kindle]

[radiant plank]

[remote bobcat]

JESUS CHRIST

[tidal kindle]

Fuckme

[outer umbra]

That is a giga vault grats I hate you

[tidal kindle]

Kezan has leech

[remote bobcat]

"the choices"

[quiet breach]

ALL THE TRINKETS LOL

[hardy shuttle]

Good luck ever seeing any of those trinkets again

[whole yacht]

i keep seeing people get the amplifier in vault, and FUCK i cant find one. but also, nice eye.

[tidal kindle]

[remote bobcat]

Angry_cat

nah fuck u

fr

[quiet breach]

wait u already have house of cards and eye....

[feral ivy]

u already have mechano garms?

[tidal kindle]

Normal

Vault has heroic (kezan w/ leech)

[tender seal]

Bro what the fuck - you got 6 weeks of good luck in there lol

[tidal kindle]

BRO I DONT HAVE A WEP

I DONT WANNA CRAFT

[tender seal]

Craft weap man

[remote bobcat]

craft

lol

[quiet breach]

did u guys see the guy that got eye of kezan and BiS

[remote bobcat]

go craft

[quiet breach]

he posted a bit ago

[versed seal]

rip

[tidal kindle]

Xan?

Yah

[versed seal]

my vault blows lol

[bold plank]

crafting a 2h wep if we havent got a mythic one yet?

[feral ivy]

which one? mech or pace?

[tender seal]

I got eye and bis natty week 1

[versed seal]

reverb worth getting?

[summer quail]

oof. i would hate getting this vault so much

uhh go do delves to see if you're lucky before picking

[tender seal]

What does it sim say ?

[modest condor]

pacemaker

[tidal kindle]

Won't see mechano again

Simple as

[tender seal]

True

[marble schooner]

pacemaker is harder to get I guess

[quiet breach]

does pacemaker have low drop rate?

[feral ivy]

ill go do delves for map and see if i get it before picking

[marble schooner]

its myth track so only 3 chances to get it weekly from a very big item pool

[modest condor]

i would still pick pacemaker

[quiet breach]

ohhh

[marble schooner]

mechano is 4 chances to get it weekly from a smaller (?) item pool

[tender seal]

Delve loot pool actually not very big compared to m+

[tidal kindle]

[marble schooner]

yah

[tidal kindle]

But if I have mechano, doesn't that mean no point in using pace

[marble schooner]

also champ Mechano is still bonkers

[tender seal]

But can garms be arsed to do delves tho ?

[marble schooner]

afaik

[lapis nacelle]

Anyone simmed fury ST this am? I am probably missing something but this is telling me swapping lfr gloves for myth gloves is -120k dps?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qUx51tuBR4CqgbF2tzhfMJ

[obtuse palm]

Does BT or RB priority change with 4p, depending on proc? is it something I have to track?

[tidal kindle]

2nd warr

[summer quail]

no. pretend you don't have tier. we do not play around it

[obtuse palm]

thank you

[modest condor]

right, i forgor that raiders have better trinkets available

as someone who doesnt raid my bis trinkets are pacemaker and mechano so i would use both

[sand crest]

think it's because ur sim is replacing cyrce's circlet with a 658 ring for some reason

if u simmed just the gloves it'd be an upgrade for sure

[lapis nacelle]

if you scroll down there is an option with the same rings and myth gloves

says -120k

[summer quail]

mouse over the ring. it says the ring you sim has only 1 gem in it

[sand crest]

only one gem in circlet

[marble schooner]

remnant of darkness angle I reckon yes

[tidal kindle]

Yes

[lapis nacelle]

ty

[lapis nacelle]

ty

[covert blaze]

fk u

[wintry snow]

Anyone else getting a damage loss from 4 set

[wheat lantern]

Alright super sorry for the pic bois at work on my legion go. That core tho , but helm is 4pc

[oblique trail]

revvez'd up bracers

[wintry snow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nVpPRJeg7RxQNWKFj8G2Yg

[feral ivy]

are u on steam deck lol

[wheat lantern]

Lenovo legion go

Steam deck trash

[feral ivy]

ill go mechano

u can easily get 4 piece from raid

[wheat lantern]

I think I’ll do all my delves first just incase

[feral ivy]

thats what im doing

[wheat lantern]

Yeah for sure

I usually don’t have time to raid heroic or mythic due to work scheduling

I work 7 14 hour days then a 7 days off , I can always make one week but the other I can’t make lol . Sucks

[feral ivy]

ah damn sorry

[wheat lantern]

It’s all good , as long as I’m not working a Monday to Friday with 2 days off

[chilly fractal]

5 Big Red Buttons in ML over the weekend... why not another in my vault

[simple shell]

u guys play roar or spear in m+?

[chilly fractal]

roar everywhere

[thick fossil]

Sims tell me to take the thing I wanted least. Go figure. I'd kill for a House of Cards, mythic Seaforium or a BiS dungeon piece. Instead, I get the dumpy hivebreaker weapon.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ooanZwsoVdHqwVoB2ceD8S

[dire vigil]

I just discovered that this exists. Can you attach a keyboard to one of these?

[oblique trail]

You should never complain or be unhappy about getting a myth track weapon

[frank dawn]

blehhh, bis hero cinderbrew neck vs myth track gloves. Tempted to take neck because Cinderbrew sucks lol

[dire vigil]

I have learned to love my over-sized honeycomb because otherwise, my vers would be almost 0

Can that thing handle mythic raid?

[thick fossil]

The weapon will at least last me a fair amount of time.

At least for Fury.

[oblique trail]

As any myth track weapon would

[thick fossil]

My crafted already ruins it for Arms

[oblique trail]

The stats really do not matter until you actually have the option to pick between multiple good items

[eternal compass]

So I have the crafted wep + max champion track slots wep, you think a random myth wep would be better than the slots one?

[wheat lantern]

It could hold up I believe with keyboard n stuff attached, but not a replacement for pc or laptop I’d say

[thick fossil]

You go almost all of S1 without Mythic track sac, and now you pull Seaforium week 2 lol

[sudden tusk]

the funny thing is

[chrome plover]

where delves?

[kind mantle]

Mechano core with leech tertiary made it go all over my screen

[warm bane]

suffering from success

[sudden tusk]

i dont know if seaforum is even bis

[sage smelt]

i had the same, it was like 25k dps upgrade from champ BIS

[summer quail]

technically not, but it's very up there

[sudden tusk]

its bis for M+ i think

but idk

[thick fossil]

What the hell is that? Kezan, Diamon, Core amp, and Energy drink.... holy...

[warm bane]

i know man i literally jumped out my office chair flexin like lebron

[hardy kiln]

Wanna switch vaults?

[warm bane]

https://tenor.com/view/los-angeles-lakers-lebron-james-lebron-muscles-big-guns-gif-16339068

[sage smelt]

done with weapons till Dinars ✅

[eternal compass]

Thanks

[feral ivy]

wtf is with these drop rates on delve maps ugghh

[warm bane]

you can buy item that spawns map dropping mob for 2k undercoins

in dornie g

[feral ivy]

=0

[feral ivy]

better tell me item name !!

[warm bane]

from the murloc

[feral ivy]

ah shit i thought that was jsut to get the the adds away from other adds to help ur pulls lol

[chrome plover]

[feral ivy]

ty ty

ah shit i already had 1

[tidal kindle]

I don't like the 50/50 fixed uptime on pacemaker

[sudden tusk]

its weird

sims well but idk

wep hard to pass up

but we killed stix sooo

weps also not bis

[tidal kindle]

O I meant for me

Mechano vs M pace vs H kezan/cards

[summer quail]

mechano is so insane. run your map for the week and see if you get, if not i think you take mechano

[cunning igloo]

what are peoples overalls looking like, i just did 2.9 mil on a +10 motherlode wondering if thats like mid/decent/good where im at

[tidal kindle]

Ran 1 map

Wait if I got a map before reset

Ran it this week

Can I still get a map this reset?

[summer quail]

yeah i think so. it's per reset no?

[tidal kindle]

Idk

[feral ivy]

yes

its before reset then ur fine

crap didnt get mechano so now im back to square one

[tidal kindle]

Do I take energy drink though

Or yoink chest for tier

[summer quail]

chest

[winter shoal]

fuk u

[feral ivy]

this is a hard choice !

[winter shoal]

What's the sim diff between them

Fully upgraded

[winter shoal]

If it were me and they simmed close to one another, I'd take the amplifier just so I wouldn't have to farm delves anymore @feral ivy but "close to one another" is a subjective thing

[simple shell]

what is better to use on opener, trink use or best-in-slot use? I gout house of cards normal and bis weapon normal

[winter shoal]

That's at max ilvl?

[feral ivy]

yea

[winter shoal]

Amplifier all day then

[feral ivy]

thank you and now if i regret it later i can blame u

[simple shell]

do you weekly delve hc loot with scramble

and see if trinket drops

[winter shoal]

trinket on opener, BIS with your next reck

[winter shoal]

🫡

[feral ivy]

i did just now and didnt drop 😦

[simple shell]

ty

[restive peak]

Lmao Sprocket to the ground too

Micky Mouse tier confirmed, CE for everyone 6 weeks in

Jesus

[heavy dock]

btw i knew smth was off thunder clap isnt nature :D

[winter shoal]

Maybe my guild will actually get it this tier 🙂 (we won't)

[plucky ice]

no CE ppl already quit lol

[iron portal]

Time to get some tooo lool

Cant imagine how easy it will be with more renown, more gear and maybe some nerfs along the way

[feral ivy]

if i cata something does it keep the same enchants?

[iron portal]

Yes

[feral ivy]

tyty

[simple shell]

is thunderblast highest prio in aoe?

even when u have cleaver stacks

• Use ‍Thunder Blast or ‍Thunder Clap to enable ‍Improved Whirlwind.

Thunder blast is not mentioned after this and thunder clap bottom prio

[winter shoal]

Yes #fury message

[heavy dock]

last season it was #1 prio but idk this one, im still doing it like that

[simple shell]

ty

[kind hill]

its funhouse hero track worth over a shoulder m track?

[winter shoal]

In aoe it is, in ST it's down bad

[heavy dock]

really?

even in st ive seen it hit for over a mil

[winter shoal]

a mil isn't a lot anymore

[heavy dock]

without the bolts

[winter shoal]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/epVGbDeXbXRb6S8aGkw1VL

[heavy dock]

true but it can enable the bt buff too

and avatar via bolts

do u just not press it?

[winter shoal]

Sim courtesy of Silm, I could be misunderstanding the difference bc I haven't dug into the details but I believe yeah you just prio regular RB and BT over TB

If you still TB top prio it's not BAD

Just a reflection of how shite that spell is now since other things got buffed

[heavy dock]

it feels good to press atleat :D

[frosty sparrow]

Heroic Best in slot 2H (in vault) vs Crafted 675 2H ?

[heavy dock]

why not both

[frosty sparrow]

already have a 678 from last week

[winter shoal]

Slight correction, this still has TB over a raw BT without the VC or crit conditions (but still below RB)

[heavy dock]

lucky u

[winter shoal]

sim it

And also sim the double duskthread you could craft with your sparks otherwise

[frosty sparrow]

ty

[sudden plaza]

what are the best simcraft settings for fury?

dungeon slice?

[winter shoal]

1t 5m patchwerk

Always

[lavish pond]

guys is MT so much better than slayer in M+?

[edgy widget]

it is generally better, yes

[wheat lantern]

Yes

Feels nicer to play as well

[edgy widget]

and by generally I don't mean most of the time, I mean in all general facets

[lavish pond]

thing is, im having fucn and being most of the times best dps while i use slayer ( until 6 m+ keys ) , that means that to have a better progress is to use MT?

[quiet breach]

this is the thane priority list I've been using, its from wowhead guide. are u saying I shouldn't follow it? it has thunder blast as high prio

[simple shell]

hero wep off hand vs normal BIS, is it worth the 30dps to run BIS in off-hand?

[quiet breach]

I've been following that for AOE and ST 💀

[winter shoal]

@edgy widget did you ever figure out why WH is showing rampage at 9, 10, and 15 in that screenshot?

[restive glacier]

is it better to grab a myth weapon even tho i have a 675 crafted weapon or myth chest and just wait for denar in .1.5 to get myth best-in-slots ?

[winter shoal]

#fury message I challenge you to scroll up 15 messages

[dense elbow]

Slayer shouldn't beat Thane in lowkeys either, so you probably just playing it a bit weirdly.

That said, you can play Slayer higher up. It just is a DPS overall loss. Prio dam is the same/in favour of slayer.

In the end, it is about having fun. There are classes that do more than warrior, so if you care about minmax, you wont play warrior either way.

If you want to slay, slay. Blast, then you blast.

[lavish pond]

i get what you mean

[dense elbow]

[edgy widget]

because certain combinations of checkboxes result in unavoidable overlaps

[quiet breach]

the other ones on the bottom are x

[quiet breach]

do u agree with bigbowwl that I shouldn't have TB as high prio in single target?

[summer quail]

explore the corolla

[dense elbow]

Fury BiS

[quiet breach]

[eager thorn]

Highest ilvl always in mh

[young swan]

my penance paid in full for my vault last week

[half tide]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1107364178362110102/1351590775133179915/image.png?ex=67daee80&is=67d99d00&hm=676ae15aed8c2a556a90741a30b7759f20b5ccbfa09a34050fe9c4a47f958ecc&are we twins?

[tidal kindle]

Where top row

Ld and pozobilled

Speaking about myself

...had to craft wep

[barren dagger]

Anyone got a good example of dmge breakdown as thane in m+

[half tide]

ask the vault man

[edgy widget]

I agree that it's the height of "who the fuck cares"

[forest owl]

what is the play if you get a myth track weapon in vault i assume you focus on crafting something else for the biggest power gain?

[young swan]

yeah i also have to do this shit

my vault was so dogshit

[edgy widget]

I'm gonna be right there with yall

[summer quail]

i crafted 2x thread coz of this last week

[edgy widget]

#updates-midnight message

[forest owl]

yeah what i thought, i have a 658 best-in-slots, so either a myth vault weapon tomorrow or crafting

[dire vigil]

I crafted a 675 offhand even though I got a myth weapon in vault last week because it was the same amount of mythic crests allocated anyway and it simmed a lot higher than a heroic random offhand and 2x dusk. Can’t guarantee I’ll get heroic BIS in the next month so we ball until then. Once I get it I’ll probably switch to 2x dusk

[edgy widget]

assuming you haven't upgraded it yet, there is a major advantage to crafting even if you have a M weapon, since you get a lot of extra upgrades for free that way

[thorny cove]

let's goo 675 crafted wep gang

[dire vigil]

That’s what I took into account. I got the luxury of the stats of 2 2H weapons for the currency price of 1. That meant more to me than “more ilvl”

[edgy widget]

• crafting 2x Duskthread requires 120 crests and gets you no extra upgrades
• crafting 1x Ascendance requires only 60 crests and gets you another 60 crests worth of free upgrades on your other weapon

[dire vigil]

So naturally I’ll probably get home and have another myth track m+ 2H in the vault this week hahaha

[dense elbow]

There are few things as demoralising as the first pull in Brew

Kinda reminds me of stonevault

[summer quail]

then you have the boss right after. don't you just love a minigame where you cannot do damage and the boss just placing area denial literally everywhere? what a great design 🙂

[dense elbow]

🙂

[elder crypt]

hi guys - does anyone know about the Simcraft APL? was curious about the additional input in the line that says Rampage when rage is greater than or equal to 100 - it also has the condition of if Raging Blow charges are less than or equal to 1. couldn't this lead to overcapping on Rage?

[oblique trail]

First boss is either completely fine or awful depending on the tank

If they tank him in such a way that you always have to walk next to tornados, or they spawn the puddles the way you have to go, then it's awful

[summer quail]

even when the boss is completely fine, it's just not fun at all

[safe cradle]

Did they delay the second catalyst charge?

Asking for guildy

[wheat lantern]

No

It’s available

[remote bobcat]

area denial that follows you

Prayge

[dire vigil]

“ANOTHER ONE”

[opal zenith]

ughhhhh

[summer quail]

you can catalyze those to change them

[opal zenith]

Why is this even an option

yea

thats what im thinking about doing

[sullen dove]

wicked

(fuck delves)

how am i out of valorstones

[oblique trail]

not playing the game

[sullen dove]

radiant echoes still good for those i guess yea

[lavish pond]

Guys any essential MT macros would be appreciated xD

[chrome plover]

yrp

[south kayak]

do you guys leave raids where there's a lot of people competing with your tier piece?

[verbal garden]

Trying to run sims based on my vault options and my potential 4 set is never the top choice. It always wants 2/3. Am I doing something wrong? Trying ST and DSlice sims. Just seems super odd. Is this tier just that bad?

[modest condor]

yes

[opal zenith]

its really bad for fury

amoung the worst

[dense elbow]

4 failed brews in a row, first pull, kill me

[coarse nest]

Do people just not kick or stun at all??

I feel like as long as chewie isn’t pulled you can get the whole room

[dense elbow]

Tank runs in, 2 sec later he on the floor

go again

[chrome plover]

who tf is chris

[coarse nest]

Auto correct goes hard man

[dense elbow]

My 13 will be a +2 before it is done by this point

[coarse nest]

Tanks get smoked by the big bully in the pack

Classic

[marble schooner]

wtf is this vault

[dense elbow]

Hey, pacemaker, nice

[marble schooner]

I guess its Pacemake angle right I alr got Myth crafted + DFC Hero

[south kayak]

Got the best vault of your life

[hardy fog]

I instant pick this pacemaker, yeah?

[marble schooner]

ive never had a vault remotely as good as this fr

[south kayak]

the choice paralysis sucks

[quiet breach]

i feel like the more important thing to look at is how many 2hander users are in the raid

cuz 4 pc seems p easy to get

catalysts and multiple raid difficulties

[south kayak]

it isn't

[quiet breach]

and vault

[south kayak]

i did 2 raids on my warrior without getting anything

[olive wraith]

Muscle guys hurt

[south kayak]

i am not invinting anyone who has anything to do with any of my gear

[coarse nest]

Yeah I always just host the pugs if I’m hunting an item but gg this tier literally everyone wants the items that you would enter heroic for

[quiet breach]

do u just do masterloot on the boss with the item ur hunting and need/greed for the rest?

[coarse nest]

No you can’t do that anymore

I just don’t invite anyone who can roll on what I want

But this tier ring and weapon anyone can yoink pretty much so gl

Unless you fill the raid with monks rogues hunters dhs lmao (for weapon)

[tidal beacon]

anyone have a weak aura for the 4 piece?

[cold leaf]

Anyone have any weakaura's to track the 4set?

LOL

[tidal beacon]

oh hey blond lol

[glad coyote]

archi posted it in the update section

[timber hare]

Cute moment

[cold leaf]

thank you!

[glad coyote]

wc

[quiet breach]

how long does it take to get cyrce's circlet?

i havent done that yet 💀

[hardy fog]

An hour to max it

[karmic fiber]

Is execute really not prio anymore lol

[oblique trail]

It never has been for Thane, and for Slayer the prio hasn't changed

[fading bane]

make execute great again

[karmic fiber]

Yeah I came back after not playing for a long time

Mainly played fury back in Nighthold lol

[quiet breach]

can u swap around the citrines freely in your cyrce's circlet or do u have to pick 3 to lock in permanently?

[oblique trail]

Warrior has changed a fair bit since then at least

You can swap the citrines

[karmic fiber]

I played a bit in the patches between but yeah it feels very different now lol

[hardy fog]

You can swap them, but its a set it and forget it for most people.

[quiet breach]

so i should get all 12 and swap based on the encounter? or do i have to bring the ring somewhere to swap it to prevent that kinda thing

apparently one of them has a single target vs multi target

[fading bane]

u dont really swap

[quiet breach]

slot

[oblique trail]

You can swap them anywhere

[fading bane]

ever

[oblique trail]

But there's only one setup you use

Regardless of the context

[quiet breach]

u dont swap the ST and multitarget one based on encounter?

[oblique trail]

No, you can just use Stormbringer everywhere

[hardy fog]

Its negligible.

[oblique trail]

And the legendary skipper you can replace with windsinger

doesn't really matter which of the two you use though, it's all kinda whatever as long as you have a combination of these 4

[hardy fog]

Archi hasnt updated wowhead. for shame.

[quiet breach]

ok perfect, thanks

[edgy widget]

yes, but overcapping rage is inevitable as Fury, and spending rage is not always the most important part of the rotation

for example, there's a very small optimization in which you can cast Raging Blow up to 5 times after Bladestorm to build a bigger Rampage, despite being grossly overcapped on rage

[past egret]

Myth weapon vs Reverb?...I have seaforium hero and thugz hotline hero... and a max champ best in slots

[warm crag]

myth weapon or absolute dogshit

idk man you pick

[past egret]

any thoughts on what to take?

weapon and reverb are pretty close on sim

[edgy widget]

you can sim this, but Reverb isn't a bis trinket, and is fairly easily obtainable, so I probably wouldn't go for it

[oblique trail]

First of all, always have the highest ilvl weapon in main hand

[pulsar prawn]

only because of offhand (if you had a heroic mainhand it would be ginormous)

[edgy widget]

are you simming a max upgraded reverb, cause that's a little misleading when compared to unupgraded other trinkets (or whatever else you could do with that currency)

[past egret]

maxed out reverb and maxed out weapon yes

[warm crag]

you already crafted tbf so myth wep isnt as good but nothing in that vault is pickable really

[edgy widget]

Myth weapon is good cause you get those upgrades for free now

[fading bane]

you are picking that wep

no question

[edgy widget]

the reverb would cost currency to upgrade

[fading bane]

reverb trinket is also on hero track

[edgy widget]

gotta look at the whole picture

[past egret]

max weapon in mainhand shows dps loss according to sim, not sure if thats because of embellishment

[fading bane]

so its on par with a seaforium which is easily farmable

[oblique trail]

Did you remember to swap the crafted weapon to offhand

[edgy widget]

that's cause you didn't swap the embellished weapon over to your OH and/or didn't set your enchants correctly

[fading bane]

guess its used along with a seaforium tho lol

[marble schooner]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iMX1YYmD2YcRUaBbtwvCR1

2.5m gang

[fading bane]

just get a house of cards

[warm crag]

the 2 minute sim

[marble schooner]

ah

[edgy widget]

"just loot it 4head"

[fading bane]

[marble schooner]

damn he realized so fast...

[fading bane]

i knew smt was wrong the 2nd it was 2.5m lol

[ebon flame]

damn based on raiderIO fury and arms are pretty neck and neck

that's cool

maybe I do take myth wep even if I have crafted

[orchid dagger]

Neck and neck at the bottom lmao

[edgy widget]

yall don't already sim for 2.5m? smh losers

[marble schooner]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6nHmD8icBLaXAuqXiwy4cL

aight this is my real sim

[fading bane]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ty62m7NSJLzYka5YX2UBEA ill reach 2.5m tomorrow

[edgy widget]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[marble schooner]

aight nightly or latest whats best

[warm crag]

might sim 2 gorillion dps if i loot a myth wep from vault

[pulsar prawn]

archi has a rough morning

[edgy widget]

in this case it doesn't actually matter since the weekly was just rebuilt

However that won't always be true, so you should avoid weekly and typically use Latest unless you notice an obvious bug

[marble schooner]

you got it boss 🫡

[edgy widget]

• Latest gets you updates as soon as they happen in SimC - there might occasionally be a bug, but they tend to get noticed and fixed very fast
• Nightly happens... well nightly. You'll probably have most changes, but might miss some of the more immediate ones
• Weekly is the furthest behind, sometimes it doesn't even happen weekly, and who knows what you might end up missing

[pulsar quest]

I’m having a hard time deciding between arms and fury for m+

On one hand, arms fucks for any aoe pull and it’s not BAD st

In the other, fury destroys any type of lieutenant add and bosses

[lavish pond]

guys any essential macros for MT ?

[edgy widget]

base it off how heavy your group comp is on AoE or what dungeon you're doing

or just say fuck it and play whichever one you want to; I swap specs for dungeons all the time

play one arms then one fury

flip a coin

[pulsar quest]

Yeah this week I’m just swapping based on the comp really

[edgy widget]

phone a friend

[pulsar quest]

When we had a shaman I went fury

[edgy widget]

consult your magic 8 ball

[lucid thorn]

That's absolutely insane. They need to fix that bullshit.

[distant nacelle]

Is house of cards that good? It says it's just a 6k dps loss having 2 pc and house of cards or going for 4pc (i'm having to decide on going 4pc or 2pc with house of cards)

[dense elbow]

Casuals, talking about arms and fury for DPS. Pah!
Protection is the true way to minmax DPS.

[flat river]

You tell em funky

[dense elbow]

I bounced brew->priory again

kill me

[past egret]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ojd6eXxnVPWM52ansXH2dG Im not sure what to tell you...do you spot anything incorrect with the settings?

[oblique trail]

You still haven't selected the crafted weapon in offhand

[edgy widget]

yeah exactly what I said earlier

[oblique trail]

Also only have depths lvl 2 on your crafted weapon, when you BiS and hero track m+ weapon has lvl 3 is a bit diabolical

[summer mirage]

diabolical lol

[flat river]

U told me u wouldn't do brew >:(

[dense elbow]

I lied

[quiet breach]

whats better, normal mode eye of kezan or hero track seaforium

[dense elbow]

Got bored in que, did my own key, prayed for not the same key set again

Punished

never do your own key

lesson learned

[dense elbow]

Sounds like a question for the robot

[quiet breach]

i dont have it i just wanna know if its worth rolling on

if im in a pug

[dense elbow]

Just roll on it

Worst case, you go out of there with nothing gained, then anything from an upgrade to some gold

[errant vessel]

needing on stuff for gold is criminal xd

[glad coyote]

thats LFR

for you

should just be personal loot at this point tbh

[errant vessel]

legit

been saying that it should be personal loot outside of guild runs for a long time

[glad coyote]

yupp

if you can need you will need in lfr

[errant vessel]

ye

also been victim to someone just needing on ansurek ring to sell it

[warped fiber]

hi all.. since BIS's on use trigger's trinket CD for 15 sec.. whats the best sequence?

[median kestrel]

i need guidance, do i grab weapon and send my crests on it along with 2 dusk emb or craft a claymore

[restive peak]

You always take wep

[fickle cedar]

you're gonna have reck in about 40-50 seconds, thats when you use the other active item

[dense elbow]

That a weap, so presume you make your embeds

[dense elbow]

Need a morale booster. What is your end-key overall atm on avg?

[past egret]

you're totally right, i derped. ty 🙂

[marble schooner]

eh Id just pop seaforium cause normal Eye is too easy to swap for a better trinket imo, at least iwth hero Seaforium you no longer need to gigaspam Flood

[restive peak]

The keys are wildly different

[dense elbow]

ballpark it

[restive peak]

I am never 3rd, and I have timed most 13s and a 14

[chilly harbor]

mechano-core amplifier or shoulders?

[restive peak]

between 2.7 and 3.6mil depending on the key

[dense elbow]

hell yeah, aspirations and goals are set

[marble schooner]

Robot

[warped fiber]

so.. this would mean i charge in with Avatar only? then reck when i can use trinket?

[marble schooner]

but its probably Mechano

[pearl tide]

So its been a long time since I've tried or looked at fury. It seems like raging blow is the generator that does the most damage? It used to be bloodthirst last time I played fury, and Anger managment is now taken? It used to be reckless abandon/Onslaut(tenderize) from last time I looked into it. What was buffed and or changed to lead to this?

[fickle cedar]

no no, you go in with everything on pull, the other active item will be ready for your 2nd reck since you're playing slayer, you'll have it in 40-50s

[warped fiber]

oh so trinket 1st or weap 1st would be a better choice?

[dense elbow]

Tldr change: RB is alpha omega keypiece. Passives better than on-use talent nodes.

For more info check Archi's fantastic explaination and guide in #dps-faq

[fickle cedar]

probably your strongest one, which trinket is it ?

[warped fiber]

champ track house of cards in the vault.. im mainly a pug player

so far only 2p tier

[chilly harbor]

shoulders are bigger upgrade but trinket is BIS and also probably more likely to show up again?

[fickle cedar]

i suppose use house of cards first since its always gonna line up with avatar

[warped fiber]

thanks.!.. also vault has nothign fatastic cept the champion HoC or HEroic Tier hands. .. seems like hands is lesser of an issue if i can do 6/7s and catalyst

[dense elbow]

If trinky is BiS, then I would grab trinky. But I cant confirm that it is, I just take your word on it.

Tierpieces should be in vault on the regular, and taking trinky allows you to not touch delves ever again.

[pearl tide]

ok so I found this for the importance of RB, but I can't find why Anger Managment is taken over Reckless Abandon. I guess because bladestorm/ravager is now a thing for Fury?

[outer umbra]

You can run a droptimizer for a raid setting and it’ll run the numbers for all items

[marble schooner]

there are many shoulders

not many mechano cores (one)

[gleaming siren]

Should I pick mythic weapon or heroic reverb radio

[fickle cedar]

it just sims better, with good uptime anger management is simply the best option in terms of damage

[marble schooner]

the importance of RB is also that RB hits hard

[dense elbow]

Two parter, kinda. RA and AM in theory performs kinda the same. AM got a tiny lead there. It practise RA just doesn't feel good or impact ful, while AM makes everything feel smoother (as it always have).

Feel free to try out both, and see what you enjoy the most of the two options.

[warm crag]

reverb radio is the choice here 99 out of 100 times

[marble schooner]

resetting RB makes it so you cast more RB

[gleaming siren]

I thought so thank you king

[solemn plover]

depends, if you craft mythic weapon next craft reverb is definetly the choice but if you want to get another trinket by doing keys i would consider the mythic weapon. yeah.

[edgy widget]

👀

[lost saffron]

Do I pick Mythic weapon or do I pick my nose?

[solemn plover]

is there a booger

[warm crag]

Richard Reverberation

[pearl tide]

Thanks for the info! you too @marble schooner and @fickle cedar

[lost saffron]

Yes

[gleaming siren]

Richard Resonanz

[lost saffron]

Richard Resonanz

[solemn plover]

nose pick

[dense elbow]

Well, you need your nose more than a ingame item. Chose your nose.

[lost saffron]

Stix Kojenschrotter

[solemn plover]

Omar Resonal

[fickle cedar]

get into the goon cages

[faint beacon]

Whats better in st fury or arms? Or are they close enough that its preference?

[lost saffron]

Indeed

[solemn adder]

I need my fellow fury warriors help in deciding on my vault

[torpid garden]

Whatever sims the best

[solemn adder]

Can’t decide between the rare back or Mythic track Seaforium. I already have a hero track Seaforium and when it comes to raid I’ll end up using Eye of Kezan

[oblique trail]

Do you already have a 2handed myth weapon

[warm crag]

photo of screen

[solemn adder]

Photo of screen was quicker lol

[oblique trail]

If you don't have a 2handed myth track weapon, that is infinitely more important than anything else in that vault

[solemn adder]

Was lazy

[oblique trail]

That rare cloak really is no better than a normal hero track cloak with the same stats

[solemn adder]

Really? I have a 675 crafted wep already

[oblique trail]

Yes really

[hushed relic]

Question for fury running mountain thane. Ive seen Archimtiros guide as a template along with other video guides covering mountain thane as well. I see thunder blast has a higher priority than raging blow, but in some guides I see that thunder blast is the priority when there are 2 stacks, otherwise use raging blow to empower rampage and bloodthirst. Does either make sense, or would this make more sense from the standpoint of aoe vs single target?

[oblique trail]

But if you have a heroic BiS in your offhand, then it's a slightly different story

If you want an easier choice, sim yourself in topgear on raidbots

[solemn adder]

Nah 636 crafted in my offhand

[oblique trail]

Then the 2handed will be an infinitely bigger upgrade

You can also upgrade it to 675 without using crests

[elder crypt]

I see, thank you mate. I’m comparing logs to other warriors to get an insight into where I can optimise and I did notice that I had a lot more wasted rage, I set my WAs up according to simcraft API so I was hoping to find a quick win. Might just be that I suck.

[solemn adder]

How you do that? And what if eventually a heroic Best in Slots drops I can’t imagine I wouldn’t use it right?

[oblique trail]

Wdym how do you do that

You just go to the upgrader with the weapon

You already have your crafted 675 weapon, which makes any 2hander not cost any crests to upgrade to 675

[solemn adder]

Oh you mean without using enchanted crests

[oblique trail]

Yes

[solemn adder]

Gotcha thought you meant without crests in general lmao

[oblique trail]

I did

You never use enchanted crests to upgrade normal items

That's only for crafted items

[solemn adder]

Yea but like the things to upgrade items are still called crests lol

Nvm it’s semantics

[past egret]

literally got the opposite reply 10 minutes ago from the group

[edgy widget]

cause he's trolling

heroic vs mythic

think about it

[past egret]

1 trinket vs many weapons though

[edgy widget]

how many mythic weapons you got?

[oblique trail]

Either way, heroic BiS is good but it's not so important compared to getting a myth track weapon, but if you really want to be completely safe, then do a heroic clear first and see if you get a heroic BiS and afterwards weigh your options

[past egret]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/warrior/fury/trinkets/castingpatchwerk im sure youre right, but this causes me anxiety

[warm crag]

you are trying to justify to skip the single best piece you can get from your vault

[edgy widget]

I'm also sure I'm right

[solemn adder]

Gotcha, thanks this is helpful I wasn’t even considering the weapon tbh

[past egret]

does a crafted weapon count 🙂 cause then i have 1

[edgy widget]

so you're saying you can upgrade your mythic weapon for free? hmm....

[regal vector]

I have a crafted 675 and it still wants crests to upgrade my other 2h from 658-665, could this have changed?

[oblique trail]

Relog then it fixes itself

[summer quail]

bloodmallet is just for checking what is generally good. it uses a specific setup, things you do not have. great site for checking what you geenrally want but not "this item is best on bloodmallet so it's best for me"

[oblique trail]

It's just an issue when you craft it the first time

[regal vector]

ah ty

yup that worked

[past tulip]

Why are mine bloodthirst only hitting for like 1.3 million, tracking it to make sure i hit it at correct time, but still low(been reading ppl hit it for like 3 mil)

[sand crest]

vc plus tier set could be something

[oblique trail]

3 million BT hits are either as Thane with Burst of Power + CDs, or during Execute with VC talented

[past tulip]

ahhh, that might be it, thank you

[wheat lantern]

No mechano core from delves : ( , I have a hero track pacemaker / myth track signet 678 . Will I take the mechano core or 662 tier helm for 4pc ( I don’t raid ) from vault

[summer quail]

mechano

assuming it's herotrack

[wheat lantern]

I honestly feel like it’s going to get nerfed again , yeah it’s 649

[eternal compass]

Is the 4pc better than old 2pc and new 2pc? It always sims lower for some reason ( maybe low ilvl)

[random raptor]

If I've used a wave scrambler for a bounty map, done the map and have the undercoin to buy another scrambler, can i get another map this week?

[eternal compass]

Im p sure its 1 map per weekn only

[summer quail]

idk, at this point a decent amount of people probably picked it in their vaults. would feel like shit for so many people if they nerfed it again now

[wheat lantern]

1 per week yes, it was changed

[random raptor]

Thanks 🙂

[wheat lantern]

Very true

For now I guess I’ll hunt a hero track helm and go four piece that way , what trink would you replace , I’m assuming signet , Sadge

Will sim either way , just not home.

[hushed relic]

For Mountain Thane, I feel like based on priority cast i rarely press raging blow. Is this causing me to miss dps?

[winter shoal]

In aoe that's fine

In ST you should probably be pressing a good amount of RBs

[fickle cedar]

You should be pressing it pretty often unless the pack is massive in which BT takes prio for procs

[hushed relic]

Would it be better to hold thunder blast until 2 charges and just use RB in single target? Or continue to expel TB as it comes up?

[hushed relic]

I think im pretty sure I've been doing this, thanks 🙂

[winter shoal]

Very minor difference between the two so I wouldn't worry about it

You could probably do some cooked stuff like holding a TB charge for if you have to step out of melee range for a mechanic or something so you have at least one useful gcd instead of doing nothing, but it's probably not worth the brainpower

[marble schooner]

oh

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r5KUdsZSiL19yHWCzQwMv6

big 0.5% upgrade on ST lets go

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1gYoo7JcqefVH71PbkT45r

wait its also an upgrade on AoE, is it just better than Signet for Fury on all situations?

[fading bane]

Signet kinda sucks tho

2min on use

idk how the APL uses it tho

if it holds for a minute

for avatar

[marble schooner]

not for avatar in that case you hold for your next reck

[fading bane]

thats how you play with it ye

but idk if the APL uses it like that

[earnest shuttle]

quick question... what is better?

I already have 4pc tier and my current trinkets

[marble schooner]

simyoself.jpg

[earnest shuttle]

I simmed them... but not sure if this simm is the correct answer

[marble schooner]

ah damn ruined my silly joke

[summer quail]

i would take hands anyday

2m trinket xDD

[marble schooner]

take hands then if it even sims better than signet

[limber oar]

Is signet even that good on fury

[restive peak]

Ye I would take the myth hands

[limber oar]

Like relative to mechano, house of cards, pacemaker

[restive peak]

Guaranteed you use em all tier

[earnest shuttle]

yeah...that was my confusion I know it might not be that good but hey, it's a trinket and currently I'm so unlucky with the gallywix rolls

[summer quail]

go spam floodgate

[cerulean cradle]

what's the correct opener now for fury? i see like multiple versions on wowhead and maxroll

[earnest shuttle]

for the pacemaker?

[summer quail]

yes

[wheat lantern]

No, it’s not good.

[fading sky]

Peacemaker shouldda been namd

[earnest shuttle]

alright, thanks for the help guys

[simple shell]

does this overall in a ToP 10 look off?

[sullen dove]

lole what

plus minus score

ez

[winter shoal]

Details damage breakdowns tell us almost nothing about how you're playing

[simple shell]

Ok :> sadge

[last sparrow]

im glad when blizzard doesnt even know

[marble schooner]

was it a Darkflame?

they reduced timer of DFC by 2 mins so scores would get recalibrated next time you run it

(idk if thats how it works)

[tepid solar]

So are we taking mechano core amplifier hero version over mythic tier set? Idk when I will see it again from delves and wow head says bis

[pallid tundra]

remember to get ur weekly hero item from map/the item from vendor before picking vault i guess

[hushed relic]

What vendor do you speak of?

Delivers bounty?

[pallid tundra]

the undercoin one, sells some item for 2k coins that should give a hero item as far as i know

[unkempt grotto]

Dleve murloc that sells the Summon Underpin item

[hushed relic]

Ah okay

[pallid tundra]

not sure if you can do that and map same week tho

[thin lantern]

guys quick question, im struggling with aoe. do i whirlwind/thunderclap, then hit bloodthirst? then rampage when bloodthirst isnt up?

[unkempt grotto]

I got a underpin map and a rng map last week. Dont knoe if it was intended

[coarse nest]

I dont think youre limited to 1 a week

[manic mirage]

I generally Rampage at any point I'm at a hundred Rage or more and I whirlwind/ clap only when I need to reapply the multi-target hit that those two abilities give besides that I'm hitting bloodthirst and raging blow pretty much as much as possible

[coarse nest]

i just think your odds of getting one are extremely high for the first

[manic mirage]

I use Raid logs and wow analyzer to figure out what I'm doing wrong, it helped me a lot bumped my DPS a lot

[thin lantern]

im just confused.

[feral ivy]

who are yall aiming at in PSF 1st area? the snipers right?

[thin lantern]

im struggling to get over 2.25mil overall in mythics

single target is fine. its just aoe

[jovial summit]

hey guys how good is mechano-core amplifier for m+ or is it sim bait

[tepid solar]

This is what I want to know...if it's actually good- did anyone get it last week?

[oblique trail]

As a passive, it's one of the best trinkets you can get this season

Regardless of M+ or raid

[manic mirage]

Keeping Whirlwind and Thunderclap up consistently does wonders if you haven't been paying attention to that focus on that and maintaining that so you're always getting the multi-target hit for your Rampage bloodthirst and raging blow

[thin lantern]

so thunderclap on cooldown, and whirlwind when the multihit is used? does rampage count as the "4 attacks" @manic mirage

[oblique trail]

You don't use both WW and Thunder Clap as Thane

Only Thunder Clap/Blast

[jovial summit]

damn so i should take it on hero over a myth chest then i guess

[oblique trail]

I personally picked mythic tier pants over the mechano last week

[thin lantern]

so im only hitting thunderclap, and hitting my other abilities?

[feral ivy]

==0

[thin lantern]

no whirlwind @oblique trail

[oblique trail]

But I'm also gonna prog the raid and finish it a lot earlier than the average, so I'd have quicker access to equally as good trinkets

[warm crag]

my king maybe consult the wowhead guides/dps faq channels, they should explain how our aoe functions

[thin lantern]

i get what it says about the 4 attacks

but im still sucking

idk which ones to prioirty

[manic mirage]

Thunderclap or Whirlwind I should have clarified but yes there's a little buff for you/dbuff for Target's hit that allow you to use your primary abilities and it hits multiple people instead of just one Rampage counts as only one hit by ww/clap

[thin lantern]

priority*

[warm crag]

check the priority list, fury st/aoe isnt exactly rocket science

[manic mirage]

If you're in Slayer I think you only have whirlwind and if you're in Mountain Thane you should only be using Thunderclap

[oblique trail]

I got 665 Rik and House of Cards, so it's not like I'm losing out

[thin lantern]

so i assume rampage is #1, then bloodthirst?

for the abilities to cleave

[manic mirage]

Rampage bloodthirst and raging blow will all cleave when Thunderclap or Whirlwind is active so you should be prioritizing Rampage at 100 Rage or more and then bloodthirst raging blow or vice versa, raging blow adds increased Critical Strike damage to bloodthirst and it also adds increased damage to Rampage so it's worth getting a few of those in your rotation before you have to Whirlwind again

I could be doing it wrong but I generally will whirlwind, Rampage if I have the rage, raging blow twice then bloodthirst then Whirlwind again

[feral ivy]

house mythic?

[sly crane]

20 delve runs and the underpin hasnt shown up yet

[oblique trail]

No I'm not that cool that I've already killed one armed on mythic

[thin lantern]

okay cool. man thank you guys for responding. just so i have an idea. what kind of overall are you doing at the end of your keys @manic mirage

[feral ivy]

LOL

[manic mirage]

Overall damage or dps?

[thin lantern]

damage sorry. is it like near 3 mil or?

i guess dps

is what im saying

im seeing mages, and everyone else at 3mil dps or above

meanwhile the best i have done is like 2.6

[fading sky]

What key and when?

[manic mirage]

I'm not pushing super high keys right now I run fives and sixes I haven't really done a whole lot of mythics yet this season just been busy with life but I'm usually near 1.5 to 2 billion for overall damage and I'm almost always over 2 million DPS but on groups I'm definitely close to 3 depending on how big the packs are

[fading sky]

U can do 3 as well on fury

[thin lantern]

yeah im running 10s, and these other classes are just whooping my ass

[fading sky]

But all depends

[manic mirage]

Might be worth plugging some of the runs from logs into https://wowanalyzer.com/

[thin lantern]

is there a weak aura to track the buff for the cleave?

[fading sky]

Luxthos or wtf he is called

Tracks a lot of things

[manic mirage]

There probably is I am just used to manually watching it to reapply it

[modern summit]

Why does it feel like Eye of kezan has some kinda ICD? There are long periods of time where im not getting any stacks like 30 sec windows

[fading sky]

I mean 4 spells then u ww// clap

[manic mirage]

@thin lantern hit up the dummy's and practice consistently reapplying ww/clap

[thin lantern]

yeah man imma take this new found knowledge

because videos and reading guides dont answer my specific questions

when im like a noob to the class.

[manic mirage]

Keep up the practice you'll get it. Warrior is hella fun

[storm birch]

Just got a 12 floodgate in. I feel like I’m doing baby damage compared to hunters 😭😂

[manic mirage]

Bm slaps pretty hard right now it seems, they rip.

[thin lantern]

I enjoy it man. the single target i get. but it was the aoe in mythic+s that was confusing the hell out of me

[storm birch]

Yea I’m getting clapped 😦 need those raid weapons though I think

[thin lantern]

@manic mirage

[forest owl]

from raid

[fading sky]

This should be buffed

[kindred stratus]

I've been trying to use Raidbots to sim a Charged Claymore with Vers/Mastery and Mastery/Haste, but it won't let me. It might just be me misunderstanding something, but Wowhead suggests going Vers/Mastery. Is there a specific reason Vers would be better than Haste? I also looked at FAQ to see if anything can guide me but i couldnt find anything about the crafted sword sadly

[sudden tusk]

the BiS gear from guides are assuming you have every other piece of the puzzle

things like Jastor diamond have a insane amount of mastery skewing how good it is vs anything else

so without all the pieces simming per upgrade is best

[fervent wind]

Stats have diminishing returns so as you gain one it loses value

[kindred stratus]

Thats fair, is there a certain number of ver i should aim for. From a friend who yapped to me long time ago i heard vers isnt that important but isnt useless im just trying to make sure im not trolling myself or team

[magic coyote]

is Raidbots the best sim to use?

[young swan]

yeah

[young swan]

no specific numbers you should be aiming for, for any particular stat

[sudden tusk]

mastery is the most important. then haste then vers

in aoe crit also is decent but realisically fury likes all stats mastery is just the primo

[kindred stratus]

heard, UI have 50% mastery rn and 28% haste and 2% vers so I probaly want to up vers just a little i would assume lol

[remote zephyr]

Should I get a hero tier chest to replace my normal chest, or a crit/vers mythic cloak to replace my 639 rashanan cloak?

[young swan]

i wouldnt worry about it so much

just sim the pieces you get, the robot will sort out ur stat situation

[kindred stratus]

Okay cool, thank you guys for the insight on this didnt want to do any trolling on accident lol

[fading sky]

Take cloak id say u can always get a hc lvl chest from m+

[manic mirage]

Let me know if you see any Improvement in your AOE numbers if not reach back out I'll see if I can help you

[thin lantern]

@manic mirage for sure man ill send you a FR

[unborn rover]

Is there a WA to track set bonuses for this tier?

[clever belfry]

@oblique trail

[oblique trail]

@clever belfry

[young swan]

no need

[compact siren]

just get house of cards

[young swan]

the tierset doesnt impact the way you play in any way, shape, or form

[restive peak]

Great example here is I got jastors today, and I have the mugzee neck...the ring was a 7k upgrade, but swapping to cinder neck with the ring is a 29k increase

We literally need to always sim

[unborn rover]

I thought it chose one or the other and was curious if there was something that tracked whether it chose RB or BT

[warm crag]

bt crit chance does or

[young swan]

blow up

[unborn rover]

Either way thank you, Xan

[young swan]

thats not playing around the tierset its playing around crit chance

which you already do

[warm crag]

idk its technically playing around it but its also solved by a weakaura you should already have

[young swan]

and the BT weakauara accounts for (mine does anyways)

[sage violet]

Gear question, after running some sims, raid bots is recommending keeping my 639 ilvl T1 2 set bonus over my t2 4 set bonus with a 655 and 645 ilvl replacement. Is it dumb to keep using my T1 2 set bonus until I get higher ilvl T2 gear? (Obviously I already have T2 2 set)

[young swan]

if u want to replace it because it feels wrong not to, replace it; otherwise keep following the sim

[sage violet]

ok thats kinda my gut to follow the sim, but want sure if i was like missing somthing lol

[young swan]

nope, our tier set just sucks

[sage violet]

ok good to know lol

[dawn dawn]

anyone wanna help me make a vault selection?

think kujo's sucks ass right?

[pallid tundra]

not middle

[oblique trail]

Weapon

[dawn dawn]

yeah, even for offhand right?

[oblique trail]

It'll be mainhand unless you have a 678 weapon already

But yes

With no other context it's easily the best choice

[dawn dawn]

ah right yeah just the crafted weapon already at 675

[oblique trail]

Pick the weapon then, upgrade it to 678, then you're set for weapons for the forseeable future 👍

[dawn dawn]

appreciate your help

[winter shoal]

Banezi for yellow

Oh wait

[hollow elk]

just got t4. grats me.

anyways does anything change in my rotation at all? or its just the same?

[winter shoal]

#updates-midnight message

Doesn't change you rotation in that you still just press BT when kaching/glow, it's just that the kaching/glow will happen more often

[hollow elk]

thats what i figured. i didnt feel anything different on dummies

[edgy widget]

talk about getting fed

[restive peak]

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-for-being-so-fabulous-fab-sassy-gif-4606254

Btw it was a vault jastors 😛

[hollow bramble]

hi guys should i craft weapon or new wrist with my current build

[willow vessel]

very new and could use some help here. I already have 649 non-tier pants and would lose a lot of mastery getting tier piece. my current trinkets are 639 Reverb Radio/Turbo-Drain 5000

[wispy thistle]

@willow vessel You really always want to sim, Do you have 4pc?

[willow vessel]

I don't have any tier currently.

[azure holly]

on AoE that dies fast, I should try to save BT for vicious execute I presume?

as opposed to using it and not getting the exec amp

e.g barrels on rik

so maybe my 4 globals might be Rampage -> RB -> RB -> BT

[wispy thistle]

I would sim it to check, Most tier bonuses if you have none will be better

[manic iris]

whats pulling ahead rn in raid fury or arms?

[warm crag]

can we permanently ban men who post vaults with mythic weapons and ask what to pick

[gleaming siren]

PLEASE

[warm crag]

you play repo with A. and B.

[gleaming siren]

Who is A

and who is B

[warm crag]

?

[compact siren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/711337973274378270/1351661979298697226/ezgif-12920d43fa19c4.gif

[warm crag]

take the tier pant its the most permanent thing in that vault

[spare steppe]

meh

[warm crag]

you shouldnt think about your stats too much

hc funhouse lens explode

[pallid tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/get-blown-up-dog-dog-explosion-sticky-notes-gif-17071604041793579031

[compact siren]

tier pants is probably the play tho

[spare steppe]

isnt funhouse pretty eh for fury?

[warm crag]

avatar is still a 90s spec

pick the mythic head btw unless u already have it

[last sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/wink-dog-wink-eye-wink-flirty-aussie-gif-6400964087404935069

[dire vigil]

Big ring, but helm would be solid too

[slim grotto]

gamers if I already crafted my 675 wep last week is it bad to choose myth wep out of vault? It's not simming higher than my maxed hero offhand (maybe because stats are bad on myth).

[frank dawn]

did you sim the myth at max ilvl?

[pallid tundra]

did u sim myth in mh and ur 675 in offhand

[spare steppe]

can't I just get mythic head from the first boss?

[warm crag]

yes but you can just give that to someone else in your raid

[frank dawn]

team work? whoa, whoooaaaaa

[slim grotto]

Oh, no I didn't do that

[spare steppe]

yeah that's a good point. wasn't sure for signet/funhouse so its less exciting

[warm crag]

unless you see wow as a single player game instead of the cooperative game it really is picking helm is correct here

signet is ass and funhouse lens is a worse cards

[pallid tundra]

yea do max ilvl myth in mh and ur crafted in offhand, should show diff numbers

[spare steppe]

nah i'll probably be going helm

shame bout signet being ass

[slim grotto]

3.56m -> 3.62m sim dps for picking wep. Is that still worth to pick up assuming we're all after heroic/myth BIS and I already wasted my sparks?

[celest hearth]

i know our tier is bad but replacing my old 2 set with new 4 set with itemlevel upgrade is 0.9 % trash lol

[warm crag]

if your sim is above 3 million you are self reporting to be simming anything aoe

consider that

[hollow bramble]

is it better for me to craft 2 crafted item or 1 weap?

[pallid tundra]

🤷‍♂️ depends what else you have in your vault, i always sim 1 target either way

[slim grotto]

explain like I'm 5

oh it was set to 3 bosses, wtf.
Ok so 2.17m -> 2.2m
Is that worth the pick? I don't know how that number translates in the grand scheme, it sounds small