fury

[stone merlin]

Sadge

[earnest canyon]

@slim coral what do the rows of little blue circles do?

[slim coral]

I’m not entirely sure yet I know a bomb spawns around there

[earnest canyon]

ok

[heavy dock]

wtf is this lmao

[winter shoal]

TB hits more than 5 🙂

[earnest canyon]

each time a new mythic raid comes out I am happier and happier that i no longer mythic raid

[fading sky]

Mythic raid looks dope this time?

[slim coral]

Yeah mythic raid looks sick

And it is sick

[earnest canyon]

It looks amazing, yeah....im just glad im watching instead of playing lol

the theme is brilliant too....im not scared of spiders or anything, but i thought spider palace was kinda meh theme wise

[fading sky]

Yes

Spider was meh

I rly though gobbos would be worsr

But its way better

[quiet breach]

was almost at the last boss of a m+ and was gonna time it and server went down

it was my key

[upbeat plume]

as much as I hate goblin themed stuff and asthetic, yeah the raid has more personality then the spider palace

[fading sky]

But after amirdrassil, its hard to be the raid after

Amirdrassil to me felt epic at least

[pale rivet]

my key ...

[quiet breach]

🫂

i want it to come back up so i can at least finish it and get the loot

[silk wharf]

I saw someone in Max's chat call it Illidown which made me laugh.

[fading sky]

For some reason spider palace didnt rly hit me

[pulsar quest]

yo i literally

put my key in

right as it happened

countdown hit 0 i put key in and then servers went down lmao

[silk wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/coincidence-i-think-not-coincidence-i-think-not-the-incredibles-gif-5096707

[keen sequoia]

how much since servers down/

[warm zephyr]

any tips or any rotational change on 4pc? is there weakaurs for it if needed?

[oak garden]

the Endboss Ring is insane XD the normal version of that is better till you get the ring out of ML on myth ^^

[quiet breach]

the homies in the group stayed to finish it at least

[tawdry crown]

is it worth having a WA to track when bloodcraze is 4+ stacks

[fading bane]

Yes

[keen sequoia]

bloodcraze at how many stacks should I spent>

[earnest canyon]

just grab luxthos warrior wa....it tracks everything and is easily customisbile

[keen sequoia]

whaat info does the luxthos give you about bloodcraze?

[earnest canyon]

tracks crit chance, and shows when it gets buffed by thane

tracks everything as I said....all abilities

all cds

[keen sequoia]

about customizable what do you mean

[earnest canyon]

rage amount, stacks of whatever the aoe is called when you thunderclap (4 stacks)

its easy to remove or modify stuff you dont want to track

its very modular and he has youtube videos on how to do that

[eager stirrup]

Upgrading 2H and bracers is preferred use of sparks, right? I heard people talking about other stuff.

[dire vigil]

I did 2H today and I’m gonna use my free runed crest in 2 weeks while I upgrade my other slots

[mighty apex]

How often should I be using bloodthirst and when should I use it over raging blow

[dire vigil]

18 ilvl on bracers is nothing

[dire vigil]

Slayer or Thane?

[mighty apex]

Slayer

[earnest canyon]

yeah 2hander at 675 is huge

[dire vigil]

Above 35% health get 3 stacks of the crit buff you get by using RB (get Luxthos WA pack and it’ll track it) you can use more liberally when enemy is under 35% health due to the talent vicious contempt

3 stacks will show BT crit % at 45%

Otherwise, prio not overcapping rage and staying enraged and then send bloodthirst when at 45% crit chance or higher

[mighty apex]

Ah I wondered about this thanks

[finite spruce]

damn anyone else struggling with pugs on PSF?

[earnest canyon]

@keen sequoia

first one is fully buffed with the thane buff, 2nd is 3 stacks

blue bar is aoe stacks

orange is enraged timer

red is rage

[keen sequoia]

got it

[merry pewter]

With thane buff on BT. Do you guys hit it twice or always just wait for bloodcraze 3 stack regardless

[earnest canyon]

I just send it....its +35% dmg

sometimes in aoe, if i dont....i need to thunderclap again to get aoe stacks, and then it procs again, so i wasted a stack

that might be wrong though....it just feels right to do

[gilded pawn]

We love doing our rotation from vibes

As the devs intended

[earnest canyon]

thats why I like fury so much

[unreal stump]

Just came back wow after few months. Right now with mt am build when need rage u prio blodthirst or raging blow

[dusty kiln]

Is Thane or Slayer better for M+ in general at the +10 key range?

[earnest canyon]

thane as far as I know

[latent hedge]

thane until people start maxing gear out probably

[keen sequoia]

I want to understand this blue buff

[earnest canyon]

its from thane

sec

[merry pewter]

Do you guys hit close to your patch single target Sims?

[keen sequoia]

but what shouild I do there

[opal monolith]

does 4p change anytthing in the rotation

[earnest canyon]

i spend it as long as im enraged as i said a few lines up

[keen sequoia]

if I get this buff, should I spend bloodthirst on cd or stack it?

[earnest canyon]

you get 2 stacks with no CD

so i spend as i said

in ST i might hold because im not going to be thunderclapping just to get the aoe buff

and RB to buff crit

I just find in AOE i can waste stacks

[keen sequoia]

now, the normal bloodthirst

u spend on 45 or 30?

[earnest canyon]

i try to have at least 30

but if im not enraged and need rage and rb is on CD, i just send it to get rampage online

[winter shoal]

You don't play around burst of power

[keen sequoia]

on ST u use sudden deathbuff on cd?

[winter shoal]

You just BT when you normally would

[winter shoal]

Thane doesn't take sudden death, and as slayer you don't generally use sudden death as soon as you get it

[earnest canyon]

i honestly dont think about it too much....this class is so intuitive I just play it....I might be doing some stuff wrong but im normally top or 2nd in keys unless its mass aoe dungeon and a class with uncapped aoe

[winter shoal]

This is covered in the wowhead guide https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[keen sequoia]

when to use then

[earnest canyon]

i think you are thinking about it too much, its a very simple spec

[winter shoal]

You use your SD proc if any of these conditions are met:

• You have 2 stacks of SD and < 7 seconds remaining on the duration
• You have 1 stack of SD and < 2 seconds remaining
• Your Ashen Juggernaut has < 2 seconds remaining
• You have 3 Marked For Execution stacks on your target

As slayer*

As thane you don't take SD, as mentioned earlier. Execute does very little damage without all of the slayer buffs

[gritty sigil]

someone made a nice WA that shows if any of those conditions are met, very nice. just highlights a certain color according to the proc met

[winter shoal]

That was me 🙂

[gritty sigil]

ayy

[keen sequoia]

where is the aura

[winter shoal]

https://wago.io/ZTGWfik5P

[gritty sigil]

yeeethats it

saved me some brain bytes for sure lol

[winter shoal]

There's also this one #fury message

I think it more or less does the same thing, I don't use it so idk

It's probably better for general purpose use, I made mine for myself and YMMV with your own UI etc

[gritty sigil]

tbh ive been kinda memeing this season so i dont even know our current rotation or timings perfectly for fury yet. not a huge fan of AM but since its bis i use it :/ should i be lining up my thunderous roar with my recklessness cd in a ST fight or just send it off CD. wasn't sure if thunderous roar really has much more value in ST than any other ability (or maybe even less)

[winter shoal]

The difference between AM and RA is only like 1.5-2%

If you hate AM you don't need to play it

[earnest canyon]

Dude i imported your WA and now my browser looks like this and someone keeps ringing the house phone

[winter shoal]

Skill issue I fear

[earnest canyon]

😦

[gritty sigil]

1-2% is the difference between a 95 and a 99 sometimes though :/

[winter shoal]

Send roar on cd, all of our capstones are awful, roar is just the least awful of them

[gritty sigil]

bet ty

[winter shoal]

That's super cap, the %ile distributions are very wide at that point

[gritty sigil]

fury feels so weird this season, but im honestly not allowed to complain

[winter shoal]

IIRC the difference in dps between 95 and 99 is about the same as the difference between 75 and 90

[gritty sigil]

i used to say fury is useless cuz its just a pad spec

but now we are just a slightly less prio arms war

with no burst aoe xd

[earnest canyon]

why arent you allowed to complain lol? Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and if you dont like the spec, dont play it

[gritty sigil]

cuz i used to complain the other way haha

[winter shoal]

Arms also very strong rn

[gritty sigil]

i cant complain about both ways XD

[blissful hound]

I started "learning" Fury today and it really is just BM / Ret but faster

Its actually insane how easy that spec is

[gritty sigil]

i might finally learn arms this season. im riding the bench so i have more time to branch out which is nice

[blissful hound]

Overall fun Arms still wins tho

Despite the rng stuff

Surely jugg gets a rework next patch

[gritty sigil]

im learning outlaw with my alt guild, and as rng as it is, i think its SO fun

[torpid roost]

Is arms really just that far ahead? -- fury just is so much more fun

[remote bobcat]

?

[gritty sigil]

i dont think arms is too far ahaed

[blissful hound]

Arms is much better if you need execute damage, otherwise they almost equal in pure ST (with Fury being slightly ahead)

[somber elk]

Its Not

[torpid roost]

Where does fury catch up? Seems like in big uncapped pulls they can't keep up

[winter shoal]

Both specs are strong for different reasons, fury is about 1.5% ahead in full single target

[winter shoal]

Fury catches up on bosses

And prio dam

[gritty sigil]

fury is better cuz you can greed Best-in-Slots and Capitol Punisher and no1 can tell you you're in the wrong 😛

[manic gulch]

hello, are we still running skipper on citrine ?

[earnest canyon]

cant play outlaw.....you need to press something every 0.5seconds and it cripples me

[fickle cedar]

that echo wipe was rough, 0.05%

[willow cradle]

That's like what 2 chaos bolts

[gritty sigil]

i mean thats basically fury tho is it not o3o

[earnest canyon]

nah, fury is way slower and less buttons

[gritty sigil]

i will say cuz im new to outlaw, i tunnel vision WAy harder on my rotatoin, and cuz its dynamic

[earnest canyon]

rogues have reduced gcd

[gritty sigil]

fury warrior i play with lag as it is so i have to predict 1gcd in advance

on outlaw predicting 1gcd in advance is so bad

[golden badge]

1.8k 456 just one key in 2 hrs, I feel bad

[gritty sigil]

i need that addon. gauruntee im at like a 90% decline rate

[willow cradle]

Welcome to m+ where people applying have higher io and ilvl

[fickle cedar]

fury with frenzied is quite fast, i remember simcraft used to show the apm of all specs

[willow cradle]

Still does

[golden badge]

[WeakAuras: Tankers-ArgentDawn - LFG Decline Counter] https://wago.io/Lxw1NnkhN/3

[gritty sigil]

i dont mind ppl being picky if its a high key, but when you see some like 1k io person only accepting 2600+ its like really man cmon >.<

[willow cradle]

Is this just an add lmao

[undone flower]

Which key lvl you are tagging ?

[willow cradle]

Post that in #ui-addons-manager at least

[golden badge]

+6's xD

[gritty sigil]

hahha

thats crazy

[undone flower]

Are you EU ?

[golden badge]

ye last 3 weeks I've been on that 9-7 grind with almost no time to play

[fickle cedar]

oh true

[gritty sigil]

im at an awkward spot where im so much worse than the rest of my guild so i dont wanna brick their keys, but getting into +10s in LFG is so hard

is there a specific key this season that ppl beg to sign up for? might try to just keep rolling into a 10 of that and list my own

[undone flower]

Priory

[golden badge]

priory and flood

[undone flower]

^

[willow cradle]

So question for you, do you know for certain your guildies don't like running keys with you?

[gritty sigil]

ok ill try those ty

[undone flower]

Flood is big loot for plate even without the trinket

[gritty sigil]

i mean they invite me sometimes. its not that they say they dont like runnng with me, but i rather just have the common courtesy to not self invite unless im confident

theyre going for HoF so gear score very important atm

wasting their time bricking a key would be no bueno

also are EU servers having the same issues as NA atm, or are we just totally getting targetted lol

havent been able to play like the past 2/3 days

[willow cradle]

Hear me out on this, but you're sabotaging yourself by thinking that way. Just ask and see if they see it the same way you do.

[golden badge]

seems like you, whenever I log-in to do some wq's after work it's been fine

[undone flower]

You have cinderbrew too

[earnest canyon]

no issues in EU, seems to be some targetted ddos

[fickle cedar]

havent had any issues personally, are you getting lag ?

[undone flower]

Spotify (EU) got an issue yesterday too

[gritty sigil]

clearly theyre scared Liquid is gonna recruit me and have me solo Mythic Gally. Im totally not schizo

[dusty kiln]

Bit confused about this prio list (this is how its populated for thane). Rampage shows up in 3 separate lines; first with >100 rage (makes sense), then right under that, then right above thunder clap filler. Where does it actually go?

[golden badge]

no lag, only lag I get is from ukrainians being on LTE near my house

[gritty sigil]

oh also call me crazy, but i swear almost every boss on heroic has like a 50/50 split of whether top dmg players use ST or AOE talents. is this always the case early season when ppl arent one shotting mobs, and maybe it goes back to more ST once ppl gear more?

[earnest canyon]

its saying if you over 100 rage just send rampage cos you are going to cap rage, OR if you arent enraged, then rampage

else prio bloodthirst with 3 stacks of bloodcraze

[willow cradle]

Probably just the way Wow head is formatted for the talent selection stuff, I remember Archimtiros mentioned that it's wonky.

[dusty kiln]

So it makes sense that you rampage if you're rage cap or if you're not enraged. So outside of that, bt/rb/exe all have higher prio?

[earnest canyon]

honestly, i read the prio list and thought "wow this is more complicated than I thought"...but if you jjust play the spec with suitable WA to track BT stacks etc, it just flows

you dont even think about things

[thorny cove]

is it a good investment to craft 675 weapon or should I just wait for tuesday?

[olive wraith]

Are you only playing fury

[thorny cove]

yes

[olive wraith]

Probably fine then. Some people are waiting some people are sending it

[winter shoal]

It's not accurate because it treats hack and slash (and maybe wnf?) as a cast

I think it used to also count each rampage hit as a cast

[unreal onyx]

why is my vault delve lvl still lvl 7 when I already did a lvl 8 successfully?

sorry for alien language

[frozen tartan]

It's about what you did this ID.

Not what you achieved overall.

[thorny cove]

oh nvm I only have one spark

raid drops half sparks right?

[unreal onyx]

this is this ID

date is today

[fickle cedar]

do the 100 titan parts quest

[orchid dagger]

It's due to how the table is built with talent choices, it's functionally the same

Like if you are at the point in the flowchart where you Rampage at 100+ Rage, then the priority says to Rampage, just chalk it up to "I Rampage now"

[dusty kiln]

But if I did that, then wouldn't that mean rampage always has higher prio than even 3+ stack BT no matter what?

[orchid dagger]

Yes

But generally you can assume Blast before Ava+Reck > Ava+Reck > CDs > etc

[gleaming crag]

I feel like im doing something wrong overal

[winter shoal]

Details damage breakdowns tell us almost nothing about your gameplay

[sour frigate]

u need to do 2

[unreal onyx]

ohh I see

mb then

[chilly elbow]

Looks good

[hardy shuttle]

Do you have 2p2p?

[gleaming crag]

nah 4pc

[hardy shuttle]

It looks fairly similar to my breakdowns. But I'm 2p2p. Since they both just buff rampage. I was assuming the % of rampage would drop off a bit after going over to 4p

[gleaming crag]

yeah its crazy that im only like 3m 2.8 overall though

and at the end of a dungeon down to 2.29

[sage smelt]

what gems are we using with the circlet now?

[chilly fractal]

Been farming 655 pieces from Motherlode… my unlucky ass saw 4 big red buttons across yesterday and today

And none of the slots I’m chasing

[fickle cedar]

bt should be higher

[earnest canyon]

whats ur ilevel

[balmy shore]

what!!!!

[gleaming crag]

655

[earnest canyon]

seems about right then no?

[south kayak]

neck?

[quiet breach]

so, i had a +6 floodgate that i was about to time, prob +2 time, but servers went down and that screwed me over. i now have a +5 TOP and NOBODY is applying to the group, should i just downgrade it to +4? will that make it more likely to get a group?

[undone flower]

egg ?

[olive wraith]

Probably not.

There’s no real benefit to do a 4 over a 5

[junior gale]

Brewmaster protection warrior this man is multiclassing

[quiet breach]

maybe nobody likes TOP, can i reroll the dungeon i get without lowering the key?

[olive wraith]

Idk top is where most of the rings are

To reroll you need to time an equivalent level key or higher

There’s an npc at the end of the dungeon next to the chest you can talk to and she’ll change it for you

[quiet breach]

for that week? or all time

ok now that ive started posting everyone is applying

lol? weird

i now just need a tank

[olive wraith]

Npc is always there and you can reroll whenever you time a key

[keen sequoia]

If i Have 45 bloodthirst and Enrage, which one should I prioritize

[winter shoal]

@restive peak accidentally ran slayer in a TOP, wasn't too bad but I still think thane would've been better

[thorny cove]

man idk if I just have bad rng done like every weekly and still haven't got a half spark yet

[silk wharf]

I was thinking that and it turned out I had just never actually done the quest at the guy

I felt stupid

[past pivot]

Half a spaek is from the titan disc weekly quest

[thorny cove]

I just did that one

nothing

and no I did not make any crafted gear yet

[restive peak]

Lewl

[past pivot]

Then you probably had another weekly in its place

[restive peak]

I might do it next time I'm forced to help a 12

[silk wharf]

Double check yo uactually did the quest at the guy. I was thinking the same thing as you and it turned out I had just not claimed the free half spark

[winter shoal]

kinda cranked the boss dam ngl but the overall was rough

[urban condor]

Hello guys I recently swap from arms to fury and I don't understand why in high haste scenario I get huge input lag as fury. Is this normal or some spell queue thing?

[winter shoal]

What's your spell queue window

[urban condor]

Used to be 250 but I testing stuff right now

400 fells unplayable and 150 felt nice but apparently is wrong

[winter shoal]

150 isn't wrong if you aren't having gaps between your globals

But fury will experience higher haste than arms in many cases because of frenzied enrage

Outside of arms IFTK of course

[thorny cove]

nope just the A Sparkling Fortune quest to turn in a half spark for 2 halves, but dont have a half

[urban condor]

Is there any recommanded spell queue for Fury ?

[edgy widget]

your average latency + 100, no lower than 150

[urban condor]

OK i'll try to stick to 150 and see

thanks for the replies

[edgy widget]

it's not a static target, so if it feels off, adjust it

[hardy bluff]

whats baseline? 400?

[edgy widget]

yeah 400 has been default since legion

[hardy bluff]

maybe ill try lowering mine

[edgy widget]

lower typically feels better, because it is by nature more reactive, but the lower you go the less buffer you have and you need that buffer to compensate for latency, input lag, reaction time, and so on

realistically, you want the highest you can go that doesn't feel like swimming in molasses (which is to say, doesn't feel sluggish and unresponsive)

[quiet breach]

what is spell queue? can u press a button before the GCD is over and it automatically casts once the GCD is up?

[earnest canyon]

why the fuck is mine 20?

[urban condor]

Ok i'll suppose it takes sometime then to find the right number for me

[earnest canyon]

i used /dump GetCVar("SpellQueueWindow")
and i get 20

[edgy widget]

probably cause you tried to change it at one time and put 20 instead of 200

[restive peak]

I figured you'd giga fuck ST haha

[eternal sundial]

i tried slayer in a workshop and it stank

[edgy widget]

The Spell Queue Window is also known as Custom Lag Tolerance

• it's the amount of time with which the server will allow you to input commands ahead of the GCD - "queueing" actions ahead of time

it exists to allow you to compensate for latency, which is the time it takes for your computer to talk to the server and back again (aka lag), as well as physical factors. Without it, trying to play on the GCD would always be playing slow, because you never actually press buttons immediately on cooldown and it always takes some amount of time for the server to register those keystrokes anyway

[quiet breach]

where in the settings can i adjust this i wanna try it

[earnest canyon]

this seems to explain it well....but its been years since i bothered with it....idk why mine was 20

https://maxroll.gg/wow/resources/spell-queue-window

[edgy widget]

type this into your chat
/console SpellQueueWindow # where # = any value between 0 - 400, the default is 400

[quiet breach]

i did, nothing happened

[edgy widget]

I mean did you expect to get an achievement or something?

[quiet breach]

did i change anything?

[edgy widget]

it's just a console setting, you're not going to see anything in game when you change it

[quiet breach]

i didnt type a number

[edgy widget]

then you didn't change it

[quiet breach]

just /console SpellQueueWindow and the number sign

[restive peak]

You figure thatd be the best 1 for it, that or TOP

[edgy widget]

literally right here

[restive peak]

Thane is just goated for sustained aoe

[earnest canyon]

yes and to see the change use /dump GetCVar("SpellQueueWindow")

[eternal sundial]

idk i think thane mattered more in the hard parts like the final brdge

but maybe i also griefed idk

[restive peak]

I think thane truly is just stronger everywhere when sustained is happening

[quiet breach]

it says {1}="#"

[earnest canyon]

then you did it wrong

[quiet breach]

i copy and pasted what u put lol

[earnest canyon]

works fine for me

[edgy widget]

but again, you need to be careful with this - lower is not always better, even if it sometimes feels better

• having too little lag tolerance means you're not allowing a large enough buffer to compensate for latency - no matter how good you think you or your connection are, there's always going to be some amount of delay between you pressing a button and something happening
• having too high of a tolerence feels unreactive and sluggish - it's easier for casters to deal with than spammy instant-cast melee classes, and having it too high can lead to rotational mistakes as you make snap second rotational decisions

[edgy widget]

exactly like this
/console SpellQueueWindow 200

doing this /dump GetCVar("SpellQueueWindow") will instead return what the value is set to

[earnest canyon]

it dumps the cvar

so u fucked that up and set it to null or something

[quiet breach]

now it says {1}="200"

nice

[edgy widget]

and now it's set to 200

[quiet breach]

200 is a solid number right

[edgy widget]

that's fine

[quiet breach]

idc if its the best just want something not troll

[edgy widget]

again, the lowest recommended amount for a spammy instant cast class like a Warrior is 150
generally you want the highest amount that still feels comfortable to play with, and that may be a little different for everyone

because again, lower is not always better

also this is measured in milliseconds, or thousandths of a second, so don't go trying to adjust it by single digits, because you're not going to be able to even perceive the difference anyway - if you want to try different values, go in increments of 50-100 at a time

[queen tapir]

whats the default value anyways ?

you know what ill just turn on wow

[winter shoal]

400

[edgy widget]

since legion the default is 400
prior to that it was 250

[queen tapir]

interesting

[restive peak]

I play at 150

I've tried as low as 75, 75 felt weird

Like you make a minor oops and it sends it

150 sends fast enough but you can pivot within the GCD slightly

[edgy widget]

150 should be considered the effective floor; you need buffer time to account for lag spikes, physical reaction time, the actual amount of time it takes you to actuate your keys, etc

even if your normal latency is like 12ms, you're not acting that quickly

[restive peak]

Archi is spying on my pc confirmed by 12ms

[edgy widget]

I would never, and btw don't forget to tell your mom happy birthday

[queen tapir]

me sitting here playing with 120ms for as long as some people have been alive here

[restive peak]

She says thanks Archikins

[gleaming crag]

I had to break myself of hitting raging blow from last patch lol

[edgy widget]

that's why the default is so high, a lot of people don't have really strong connections

[gleaming crag]

thats a better breakdown and overall more dmg in the key

[queen tapir]

yeah wouldnt change the default myself either, seems like it would destroy me if BL is turned on with like 20+ players in a raid

[edgy widget]

9-15ms is the average for t1+ connection within the same region's data center in the US

[queen tapir]

welp thanks anyways ill keep this in mind if i ever move to the eu

[edgy widget]

if you're connecting to another region's data center, you're probably more like 25-55 depending on distance

if you're oceanic, you're probably more like 150-300

[edgy widget]

with ~120ms, I would try maybe 250-350

wouldn't go any lower though

and again, you don't have to use it, it's mostly a comfort thing, since high tolerances are generally better, but can feel nonreactive to some people

[cerulean edge]

How dare you, sir. I'm oceanic, running at 15-20ms

[earnest canyon]

It must suck living in Oz because the country is fucking massive and there are only 2 modems in the country so you need to book in advance and drive 5hrs

[cerulean edge]

🤣🤣🤣 You're outta line, but dammit, you're right

[earnest canyon]

The UK wasnt much better until recently, and we are a tiny tiny densely populated country.....just everything is so expensive so we relied on copper for so long

I only got fibre end of last year lmao

and im in the suburbs

[cerulean edge]

Yea, Australia was stuck in the stone age for a long time. Now at least most of the coastal regions have Fibre connections. New housing estates being built are generally FTTP, which is nice.

[edgy widget]

I mean oceanic connecting to the US, it's a lot better now on their own servers

[graceful elk]

Should I always be waiting until Bloodthirst crit chance is 75 or higher? WHats the dps loss on sending it in a rotation without getting it to 75?

[supple laurel]

I would like to the know the answer to this too. I usually send it 80+ish, but sometimes find myself hitting it even when it's around 60ish

[earnest canyon]

i dont...i just make sure its at least 30 cos thats 2x rb, or its got the thane buff

people say it should be 45

sometimes mine gets to 75 depending what is going on

[graceful elk]

Right because sometimes I need to use it to make sure I get to rampoage

and Im out of raging blow

[earnest canyon]

thing is, its not a damage buff, its a crit chance buff, so there is a line between having massive hit chances, and simply not using the ability enough

[graceful elk]

Ok that makes sense

Also when does mastery have diminishing returns like what is the soft cap

[earnest canyon]

someone sending it on 30% or less, but using it way more often probably does more damage overall than the guy always waiting for 75%

[earnest canyon]

no idea man

[sand crest]

soft cap is when robot tells you mastery sims less than other stats

[winter shoal]

Doesn't matter, equip the gear that raidbots top gear sim tells you to

[earnest canyon]

thankyou mr radibot

[fickle cedar]

motherload is so good for fury, love it (not the first pull )

[winter shoal]

You will not catch me playing fury in ML

That's an arms key

[fickle cedar]

its not that bad honestly, i feel like brewery is worse

[winter shoal]

Brewery and Priory are 100% arms keys

Rookery and TOP are fury keys imo

[young swan]

no keys are fury keys

[fading bane]

every key is an arms key

[fickle cedar]

fury haters

[fading bane]

or a prot key

[young swan]

dont get it twisted i hate arms

dps warr is just not great this season

[fading bane]

i think my monk does more overall than my arms atm

without trinkets

legit dont have a on use

but my monk is 661 tbf

[whole yacht]

yo how you make your details look like that

[fading bane]

import this

[clever belfry]

i dont think that's true

[young swan]

strike of the windlord

[whole yacht]

chat do i trust the import

[clever belfry]

monk is honestly not crazy in keys

[fading bane]

i havnt done an arms key in a week tho

[young swan]

striking with the windlord

[clever belfry]

theyre kinda kneecapped past 5

[fading bane]

still pumps tho

[clever belfry]

me when my prio dmg goes down when u add more targets

[young swan]

is strike of the windlord just split damage or what

idk the lore i just know it sucks

[fading bane]

i dont the dmg of it is that good

[clever belfry]

i mean SOTA sucks but doesn't

[fading bane]

but the procs it gives u

[clever belfry]

it does 14 things

[clever belfry]

that enable u to do damage

[fading bane]

yup

[young swan]

yeah its just the damage scaling thats shit

but why is it shit

[fading bane]

this was a floodgate i jus tdid

[young swan]

is it split damage or what

[fading bane]

idk if ive done this much as warrior in here

[clever belfry]

think it's sqrt 5

[fading bane]

with these trinkets xdddd

[young swan]

think ive barely cracked 3m in floodgate

[clever belfry]

just like all of monkussy

[young swan]

as fury*

fuck arms

[clever belfry]

noob

[graceful dock]

I struggle in these as fury, is it necessary to learn arms if I wish to push high keys on those dungs?

[fading bane]

almost did 5m on first boss

[clever belfry]

I've done 3m in workshop as arms lol

[fading bane]

and my monk is far from bis geared

[fading bane]

Gale Force SOTW and Thunderfist is all SOTW

[fickle cedar]

at the same time, boss damage is crazy as fury but it wont be as flashy as elemental 14M big pull burst

[fading bane]

and u get the buff too for more casts

shoudl see MM Hunter big pull dmg

[clever belfry]

conduit in key meow

[fading bane]

everyone playing it

was playing shadopan at first

[fickle cedar]

oh 90% of the hunters i see are bm

[clever belfry]

shado is just cringussy

[frank dawn]

Shadopan is lame.

[clever belfry]

it's good tho

good that it's balls in raid

[frank dawn]

Conduit provide dopamine

[clever belfry]

conduit is full split dmg

[fading bane]

Conduit is kinda buggy tho

[clever belfry]

feels dogshit to press on anything past 1

[frank dawn]

Ok yeah conduit itself can be dumb

[clever belfry]

the cancel bug?

[frank dawn]

But the spec is fun lol

[fading bane]

just this key i just didnt get the buff a couple times

after using it

[clever belfry]

ah that

[fading bane]

ww monk is always fun

[clever belfry]

i mean any channel can just break

early

monk just never works

[frank dawn]

Not getting the buff is annoying and yeah wtf is up with channels on monk

Like it only happens on monk lol

[graceful elk]

How do I know what extra thing this ring Faded Championship Ring has on it

[fading bane]

wdym?

[fickle cedar]

monk is getting snipped after the race surely lol, heal and dps i mean

[fading bane]

its just a crit haste ring

monk is getting the nerf hammer soon

[graceful elk]

Why is it showing up in my sim with extra mastery then

[fading bane]

cus it has mastery enchanted?

idk

[graceful elk]

I didnt enchant it though which is why im confused

[young swan]

the sim enchanted it

[summer quail]

clearly you did tho

[young swan]

u can see the enchant there

[fading bane]

sims autoenchant so it doesnt sim worse just because its not enchanted

[gleaming crag]

i dont think i did that right

[fading bane]

so u wont need to enchant gear to sim it properly

[graceful elk]

OOO ok that makes sense then

[fading bane]

missing enchants?

[opal monolith]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vuX6ewiQjVoLS6g3wDVp7p

hows this possible

665 offhand simming lower than 658

on a 5 target 1m 30 patchwerk it sims higher tho

what do i do warrior gods

enlighten me

[silk wharf]

You might be sitting right at a minor haste threshold, they are so common and usually unimpactful that they usually arent worth talking about. See if adding some haste elsewhere changes the results would be my guess.

[opal monolith]

ye im low on haste it sims very high on stat weights

[primal palm]

out of curiosity are we expecting to see buffs coming towards fury? I recently started playing again and it feels strong but not as strong as other classes

[opal monolith]

fury is fine

[opal monolith]

is it worth regemming and enchantin some more haste if i do a gem / enchant sim?

[fading bane]

there is 0% chance fury is getting buffs lmao

[primal palm]

interesting

[silk wharf]

Couldn't tell you. It very well might be. Top gear lets you sim all sorts of gem/enchant combos as well as recrafts.

[opal monolith]

will do is simming dungeon slice reliable? i only do keys as mountain thane

[silk wharf]

Also couldn't tell you. I only sim 1 target and 5 with no lust.

[edgy widget]

it's reliable
is it necessarily indicative of a M+ dungeon? no

[opal monolith]

ye as a general idea archi, i know i can import mdt routes etc

[summer quail]

mediocre in m+ but we are pretty good in raid. blizz rarely balances m+

[opal monolith]

but im just in the proces of gearing 640 atm

[edgy widget]

DS works fine, but the profile is basically just using CDs on cooldown, it's not going to dynamically hold for different packs
it is frankly far too much work for much too little gain to bother setting that up, much less to do it for an infinite number of permutations with mdt routes

[opal monolith]

was just a bit suprised a higher ilvl OH weapon simmed lower

[opal monolith]

i see

[primal palm]

true in raid I am performing well like top 5 dmg in my guild

[winter shoal]

Depends on your definition of "high key" - outside of title range keys, you're going to be bottlenecked a lot more by people doing CC, kicks, mechanics, and using defensives correctly than by raw damage checks (as long as people aren't fully inting ofc). To that end, whatever you're more comfortable with and able to do all those secondary things better on will perform better

Also fury is still strong for prio and boss dam, which does matter for timing high keys

[graceful dock]

makes sense, thank you ^^

[winter shoal]

That said, it never hurts to learn to play arms and build an arms gear set

Having more options is always better

Strength is never a weakness and all that

Also no-EP BL colossus is super fucking easy

[fickle cedar]

big bowl with the arms propaganda!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1032831518327967806/1337604297705132123/twitter_1886588547609846096.gif

[winter shoal]

[fickle cedar]

im jk

[winter shoal]

We're blessed to have two strong specs rn

[fading bane]

fury is kinda down bad in keys rn tho

[winter shoal]

Make the best of it while it lasts 🙂

[fickle cedar]

bullying prot i see

[fading bane]

current dungeon have so big pulls

[winter shoal]

Ehh depends

[fading bane]

and ur hardcapped

[winter shoal]

I don't play prot

[winter shoal]

Noxiv currently r1 dps warrior io as fury so

Skill issue I guess

[fading bane]

doesnt mean that its better

[edgy widget]

depends on your comp and the dungeon

[winter shoal]

No, but does mean it's viable

[next ruin]

His buttons do more damage than mines

[fading bane]

anything is viable if you are good enough at it

[edgy widget]

TWW dungeons have bigger pulls than the returning ones
and if you have a ton of AoE, building boss dam is arguably more important

[winter shoal]

Yeah the double destro group doesn't need more add dam I think

[edgy widget]

people chase "optimization" to the end of the earth but the reality is just putting in the time to be good at what you do, and you'll be fine

[slim grotto]

boys are you cleave spec on Gally? or not worth for adds?

[winter shoal]

What do we think they meant by this?

[winter shoal]

As fury yeah

[edgy widget]

if the adds are dying really quick you could just go full ST and let BS/TR carry, but it won't really make a pronounced difference either way

[modest condor]

people really take optimisation too far in this game

[slim grotto]

are adds included in logs? is what I meant to ask

[modest condor]

like you'll see people asking what trinket is best for leveling when a new expansion is about to release

[winter shoal]

Bro I need a fire mage for my +6 bro please

[sullen dove]

indubitably

[next ruin]

I tried no vc slayer, it really is mega chill to play. It doesn't even feel weak compared to thane

[opal monolith]

someone said im stupid for enchanting leech over avoidance, is this true chat?

[winter shoal]

The wrist enchants are like 1% stat

It does not matter even a little

[opal monolith]

ye but listen to this

[winter shoal]

There's a near-zero chance it will ever have a meaningful effect

[opal monolith]

green number good

dopamine enabled

more dopamine

more button presses

therefor

[fading bane]

leech is generally better for ticking dmg

[opal monolith]

leech is a dps increase

[silk wharf]

Speed makes you go fast.

[gleaming crag]

yeah so single target it still doesnt rediculously outsim i thought atleast 150k+

[fading bane]

while avoidance is better for big hits

[opal monolith]

see the logic?

[modest condor]

i've been enchanting leech this expansion since avoidance is so miniscule and a lot of m+ nowadays is more damage over time than instant 1shots

[warm crag]

avoidance is probably better but sometimes avoidance does nothing then leech is just better

[fading bane]

for example gallywix id say leech is prob better

cus there is so much constant dmg

outside of the blast u run out of in p3

[warm crag]

isnt everything on gally aoe damage tho

like literally everything

[next ruin]

Most raid abilities go through avoidance anyway right?

[edgy widget]

I don't think there's any list, but unless they're dots avoidance tends to work more often than not

[stone merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/well-thats-sounds-good-butters-stotch-south-park-s6e16-my-future-self-n-me-gif-22104741

[edgy widget]

what raids do have though are a lot of one shots and pass/fail mechanics, so if you get hit you're likely to die anyway; in that light you could even make a strong argument for speed (though Warrior's natural movement abilities do reduce its value a bit)

[silk wharf]

Speed is my preference.

[summer quail]

avoidance works against most things in raid. sometimes even against things you would not expect, like dots on some bosses

[edgy widget]

end of the day though, tertiary stat conversion ratings have been nerfed so hard that it hardly matters, none of them are going to make any real difference in your ability to succeed or fail in the vast majority of situations

so just pick your favorite and don't worry about it

[opal monolith]

not to glaze you or anything archi but i really appreciate you taking the time to answer all these questions man, thank you

[edgy widget]

it's been a slow day

[gleaming crag]

I just go speed

https://tenor.com/view/arale-norimaki-runs-speed-gotta-go-fast-dragon-ball-gif-12756415502390283610

[edgy widget]

I used the speed meta over the crit dam one all last season

[next ruin]

Would you say the same about empowered crit damage gem vs move speed gem? Ik some casters use ms one over damage, never seen melee players do the same

[edgy widget]

the crit dam gem is a joke, it sounds much bigger than it really is; in reality it's an extremely marginal bonus

[gleaming crag]

still

[next ruin]

I will be trying the ms one

[warm crag]

its literally being played in rwf

[edgy widget]

the only caveat is the movespeed from the gem doesn't stack with Frenzied Enrage, because of the way WoW pools effects of the same type (they're both considered temporary buffs), you only get the highest of the two, rather than both

[warm crag]

revvez uses it id have to check wallis and discos characters

[opal monolith]

whats a unique gem , does a combi gem count for the 2 respective colors, or is it only looking at main color

[edgy widget]

the name

• sapphire, emerald, onyx, ruby, amber (that last one isn't worth using though)

[opal monolith]

and would it be worth to go 1 of each except stam ofc for the speed

[gleaming crag]

sapphire for example

no one goes amber

heard? lol

[edgy widget]

if you want to maximize the bonus, yes

[opal monolith]

so 1 emerald , onyx, sapphire

would be 6 percent extra speed?

[gleaming crag]

pog

[edgy widget]

2% per, I'm sure you can do the math

[opal monolith]

XD

[gleaming crag]

all of the twilight devistation

[silk wharf]

With all slots I like to run the stamina gem for 2% more

[edgy widget]

you can, but at that point it's becoming more of a damage loss, so most people don't bother

up to you though

but again, remember that it doesn't stack with Frenzied Enrage, so only bother with the MS gem if you (at least mostly) run Powerful

the diff between frenzied and powerful is so minor that this shouldn't matter, but some people have a preference

[gleaming crag]

i love blacksmithing.

I wish they would make specific stuff other than repairing armor though like extra gem slots ala back in the day.

[edgy widget]

they don't want them to be related to player power, cause that makes people feel like they need to be one prof or the other

[next ruin]

Sometimes with every haste multiplier I struggle to keep the pace if I have to do other things at the same time. I think I'd gain more overall by taking powerful even in raid slayer

[edgy widget]

that's fine, there's very little practical difference between the two

every now and then one sims slightly higher than the other, but that shifts around so easily with talents and gear that it's not something I'd recommend spending a lot of time worrying about

[modest condor]

dude im saving millions per expac on those repairs

[next ruin]

That's great to hear I'll def try it next time I play. And to be sure, gem MS would stack with fast footwork?

[edgy widget]

It doesn’t stack with frenzied enrage

Just giving you a hard time cause I knew someone was going to ask the question

Although you don’t see it on your buff bar, the meta gem is actually a hidden buff, which is exclusive with other buffs that increase movement speed (same reason why DK/Pally mount speed buffs don’t stack with the guild perk or achievement, it’s a countermeasure to prevent stacking too many effects and going zoom), therefore you only get the highest of them

Other passive effects like fast footwork, SMF, dual wield spec, and +speed on gear are handled separately and therefore continue to benefit

[steel gate]

so I have a question? I'm seeing there's a whole lot in my rotation that generates rage but does not spend rage am I missing something.

[primal palm]

not enough rampaging

[chilly fractal]

Rampage is what spends the rage

[steel gate]

Ohh thank you so much!

Yea I'm capping a lot of rage I have like 70% up time on full rage

[chilly fractal]

(and a whole 10 rage to use Impending Victory)

[gleaming crag]

yeerp

[primal palm]

basically in cleave situations you always want to have your stacks for whirlwind or thunderclap if mountain thane and then you use your 4 stacks and re use clap or whirl then just spam rampage whenever possible and use rest

faceroll

[steel gate]

haha thanks! that helps a lot

[edgy widget]

basically Arms and Fury are opposites

• almost every ability generates rage for Fury, while only Rampage spends it
• almost every ability spends rage for Arms, while only a couple generate it (majority comes from auto-attacks)

[steel gate]

yea arms was easy to learn the rotation lol, with fury it's a bit of a learning curve because You have soo much rage and 1 spell to use it lol.

[edgy widget]

Your first priority is just to maintain Enrage; if Enrage isn't up, you should be pressing Rampage (there are a few other ways to get it too, but that's the main one) - generally you have 95%+ uptime on it just through normal use though, so this isn't something you need to dedicate much effort to

Fury generates so much rage right now that you don't need to think about it too much, and Rampage just becomes another button in your rotation, but if you're trying to optimize, you'll generally use Rampage at ~110 rage instead of immediately upon reaching 80, just to create more room to use other abilities first

[steel gate]

Okay! and should I use whirlwind or thunderclap? or bothj

[dusty kiln]

Actually since you're here, would love to get your 2 cents. This is from the wowhead prio list generator with mountain thane selected. It has rampage listed a few times (right below the rampage >100 rage condition and then above TC filler). What is its actual prio outside of the non-enrage and rage cap conditions?

[edgy widget]

Thane uses Thunder Clap, Slayer uses Whirlwind (pure ST Slayer builds can use Slam instead)

[winter shoal]

• recklessness
• avatar
• ravager
• thunder_blast if enraged
• thunder_clap for ww stacks
• thunderous_roar if enraged
• champions_spear if enraged
• odyns_fury if enraged (or with Titanic)
• rampage if NOT enraged
• execute if ashen juggernaut is about to expire
• rampage if bladestorm is about to come off cd
• bladestorm if enraged
• bloodbath with 2+ BC stacks
• rampage with 3+ SS stacks during reck with RA
• crushing_blow
• bloodbath
• onslaught
• rampage
• bloodthirst if any of (VC range and 2+ BC, 3+ BC stacks during rav, 6+ targets)
• raging_blow
• execute if you have ashen juggernaut specced
• thunder_blast
• bloodthirst
• execute
• thunder_clap

Filter that down based on the talents you have selected

Note that thane hasn't been fully cooked as far as I'm aware, so like that 4th line about thunder blast isn't actually priority on pure single target

[edgy widget]

it was, it's since changed (for ST)

[winter shoal]

I was referencing this and just doing my best to translate the APL into plain english https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/thewarwithin/ActionPriorityLists/warrior_fury.simc#L79-L103

[opal monolith]

does anyone know how ilvl rewards work from non bountiful delves and can u get an amplifier on veteran or adventurer from normal chests or smfin?

[winter shoal]

That's from last week though, idk if Greg/Silm/Sarri finished cooking and updated simc tho

[opal monolith]

googled a bit couldnt figure it out im dumb

pls help

[edgy widget]

well firstly, they don't update SimC, I do

[winter shoal]

ngl I have no idea what the process of updating simc is

[dusty kiln]

Super helpful, so basically rampage always has prio over buffed BT.

[winter shoal]

Depends what you mean by "buffed BT" but probably

[dusty kiln]

Sorry, I mean bloodthirst with any of its buffs.

[winter shoal]

As AM, yes

[dense fulcrum]

is there any different between charged greatsword and everforged axe etc in term which one is better to craft ?

[winter shoal]

RA thane is a shitshow though and I don't know why anyone would play it atm

[graceful dock]

what dps you guys getting on dfc? i just got giga gapped by a rogue&mage

[edgy widget]

no

[winter shoal]

Nope, go with whatever is cheapest and looks best (as long as it has strength)

I think there's an agi polearm so don't craft that

[dusty kiln]

Yeah, I'm asking mostly from AM Thane.

[earnest canyon]

feels better to me....why would I want reduced CD on ravager

[winter shoal]

Because unhinged is cracked

[earnest canyon]

what does unhinged do?

[winter shoal]

Your reck windows get really cluttered as RA thane in my experience, wanting to maximize use of CB/BB while still using TB and not overcapping charges and all

[edgy widget]

it takes things off hinges

[winter shoal]

Your rav ticks proc a BT (or BB during reck with RA) on your target

It doesn't cleave but it can proc thunder blast

[earnest canyon]

hmm ok

[dense fulcrum]

https://prnt.sc/tmJNICw-qqYM this one right? first time crafting also if i do guild order and send it i need to wait a guild member to log in and fulfill the order right?

[winter shoal]

So lots of direct damage and also lots of aoe damage from the thunder blast procs, but again you're already trying to squeeze in as many CB and BB as you can during reck with RA

it's just a bit of a mess imo

[winter shoal]

this screenshot is cropped and also I don't speak the language but that looks like a charged claymore to me - you can make a public order or ask in trade chat if anyone can guarantee a rank 5. They'll usually ask for a tip (5k seems relatively standard on NA) but that way you get guaranteed max item level

Or if your guild mate can guarantee rank 5 as well then you can just put in a guild order, yes

[sage violet]

Is it worth making a 675 charged claymore? im about to make one but i havent seen anything suggesting to make it. and if so do i keep using the ascendance embelishment?

[edgy widget]

you haven't looked hard enough! #updates-midnight message

[winter shoal]

Bro had that on speed dial

I'd personally wait until after you open your vault on tues/wed

[edgy widget]

no reason to rush unless you know you're gonna have a low-tier vault

[sage violet]

cool ty very much

[winter shoal]

If you mostly play fury then it's probably pretty safe to craft, but also like Archi said there's no real downside to waiting

[dense fulcrum]

thank you 🙂 done

[winter shoal]

And there IS potential downside to not waiting

[dense fulcrum]

one noob question

do u guys use 2x same enchant on the weapon?

[winter shoal]

On main hand and off hand you mean?

[dense fulcrum]

yes

[sage violet]

thx for the info

[winter shoal]

Yeah, generally you'll want to use authority of the depths on both weapons, but radiant power might be better for you based on the gear you have - you can sim the two to see which is better

[dense fulcrum]

the two enchants stack ah ok

[chilly fractal]

I have now looted the big red button 5 times in 13 runs of ML

[earnest canyon]

I have 2lmao

I have every trinket i think now

[winter shoal]

I need one more 655 trinket drop before I can upgrade my raid trinkets

[chilly fractal]

I submitted a bug report

[earnest canyon]

oh from raid i only have kezan, and i only raid normal

[chilly fractal]

9 items on the loot table.. 2/5 people get loot yet I've gotten that 1 item 5 times in 13 runs

may ask ChatGPT the odds of that

[earnest canyon]

report blizzard to the FTC

[winter shoal]

This is an absolutely wild statement

[chilly fractal]

fuck math

let AI do it for me

[winter shoal]

Me when I ask the funny matrix trained to mimic human speech to do math instead of asking a program written to do math

[chilly fractal]

if I'm not getting paid robots can do it for me

lol

it gets the job done

[edgy widget]

tbf complex probability isn't the easiest thing in the world for individuals to do

if you're looking for the actual chances of you getting loot vs others and getting the same item x time in a row that is

[winter shoal]

Combinatorics is probably the hardest math I've ever done, fully agreed

My gripe is with using a language model to do math

language models are infamously bad at math

[edgy widget]

well yeah I agree

just sayin I can see why someone would think "oh let this figure it out for me without requiring any real input"

[winter shoal]

Also "asking" language models is imo a fundamentally flawed concept anyways because it's just making educated guesses at what an appropriate response linguistically might be

[frozen berry]

hmm, when should I break my S1 4pc for 2pc/2pc?

[edgy widget]

pretty much asap

[winter shoal]

If the sim tells you to

[edgy widget]

replacing 2+2 for 4p takes some notable ilvl increases though

[chilly fractal]

welp... I don't know if its true or not... but ChatGPT says 0.0223%

[earnest canyon]

you should buy a lottery ticket

[edgy widget]

hmm, seems like it should be lower tbh

[winter shoal]

Chance you get loot is 40%
Chance you get loot 5 times in 13 runs (at 40% each) is 22%
Chance that it's the same item out of 9 each time is 22% * (1/9) = 2.45%

[edgy widget]

well I guess if you're just doing the odds of getting the same item 5 / 13 times

and not the chance of you getting loot vs others

that complicates the situation greatly lol

[edgy widget]

personal loot has a weight to it, so I dont think it's a raw 40%

but idk the actual numbers there and if you're not running the same people in each group it probably doesn't matter

[modest condor]

there's a small issue with the calculation but my language isnt good enough to explain what i mean

[winter shoal]

p sure chatgpt doesn't either

[winter shoal]

Is it that the 1/9 isn't quite right because the first trial is what determines the subsequent ones

[edgy widget]

Yeah it would be hitting the same item each time

[winter shoal]

"getting the same one each time" isn't identical to "getting this exact one every time"

[modest condor]

basically the chance to get the same item 5 times isn't (1/x)^5 but rather (1/x)^4 since the first item doesnt matter it's just the other 4 have the be the same as the first one

[edgy widget]

so it would be X * X * X...

[winter shoal]

Yeah that's what I was getting at

Been a LONG time since I did that sort of math

Also I never took the final for that class bc the professor gave us like 20% possible extra credit on every exam so I could've gotten an A in the class with like a -30 on the final

[edgy widget]

jokes on you, I just didn't go to college

[chilly fractal]

Well I’m glad I provoked the discussion

[winter shoal]

Jokes on me again bc I don't use either of my degrees in my career 🙂

[hidden root]

Got a bit of a noob question but wanted to check whether the crafted wep at 675 will reduce upgrade cost for other wepons I have

[winter shoal]

Sure will bud

[hidden root]

Thanks!

[chilly fractal]

You may have to relog after the craft for the discount to take effect-make sure before you upgrade the offhand the cost is reduced and no crests

[hidden root]

much appriciated chaps

[winter shoal]

Shouldn't need to relog, you can also just hop into arms spec

[edgy widget]

you may need to sacrifice a chicken though

[earnest canyon]

why would they do this

[edgy widget]

just to make sure

[chilly fractal]

I didn’t k is the spec swap worked

Know

[winter shoal]

Idk a lot of american universities will curve classes/exams (I assume other countries do too but I haven't been to their universities) and that was just this prof's way of doing that

Personally I'd rather give people an opportunity for extra credit than just blanket curve a class average of a 65 up to an 85 or whatever

[earnest canyon]

not that I know of....people find it weird here that <40% is a fail and >70% is a top grade

[winter shoal]

Where is "here", what is a "top grade"

[earnest canyon]

UK

we have some of the best universities in the world

[winter shoal]

An A for us is either 93+ or 90+ depending on what the school decides

[edgy widget]

usually its on the professor (and what the university will let them get away with); despite conventional thinking, some profs do believe that test scores aren't everything, and so they will give you other ways to make a good grade in the class

[earnest canyon]

yes here a first class degree is > 70% over the course of the degree, but each year carries more weight

[edgy widget]

though the typical standard is tests making up the majority of grades

[earnest canyon]

its regulated, so you cant have some guy just giving out extra credits

[supple laurel]

Yeah + some unis don't even have a weighting for their first year

in UK - well the ones that my friends went to

[winter shoal]

I think ours were usually like 60% tests (with ~25% total coming from the final exam), 20-30% projects, rest homework/attendance/participation

[earnest canyon]

yeah it starts in 2nd year....I was on course for a 1st class degree, but if i fucked up in the 5th year it would drag me down massively because its weighted far heavier

[heady cobalt]

@edgy widget is there a "soft cap" for mastery, or is it as much as possible?

[winter shoal]

However much the sim tells you to have

[edgy widget]

I was good in school because I was good at absorbing information so I always tested well, despite not studying much if at all

but then I was bad in school because I never bothered to do any of the homework or what I considered "extra" stuff beyond showing up

[winter shoal]

Not sure I fully understand the weighting but "passing" a class (to the extent required to get your degree) required like a 74 or higher IIRC

[chilly fractal]

uuuugh... its demoralizing to get back in there... 4 different items on the loot table I'm chasing haha

[winter shoal]

You're gonna get one and then get it on myth track in vault 🙂

[chilly fractal]

well thats fine

I'm just trying to get 655s for the crest discount

[winter shoal]

Same

Still have two 639 pieces

[earnest canyon]

cant remember the full weighting, its been a long time, but a 70% in year 2 is worth less than a 70% in year 3, which is worth less than a 70% in year 4 etc....so you can be hitting top grades in year 2 and 3, but fuckup in year 5 and it can drag you down an entire result boundary

[winter shoal]

Ah interesting

Do the classes also get harder?

[earnest canyon]

yes

[winter shoal]

Seems like a redundant stackign difficulty then

[chilly fractal]

still need bracers, gloves and boots from there (want the ring from there too on hero track but thats w/e)... also need a belt but I'll worry about that later in another dungeon

[earnest canyon]

my thesis counted for 50% of my grade in year 5

[supple laurel]

For CS in KCL it was 15% weighting first year, 30% second & 55% final

[supple laurel]

jeez that's high lmao

[earnest canyon]

so if i cocked that up, id have got a 2:1 or 2:2 instead of a 1st class

[winter shoal]

What does "1st class" confer relative to the others?

[earnest canyon]

thats like an A

[winter shoal]

In the US we have a GPA number which is like your average grade across your classes

[modest condor]

all that shit sounds so complicated

[winter shoal]

So a 2.0 is a C average, 3.0 is a B average, 4.0 is A average

[modest condor]

we just had a course and you had to pass it with a certain grade and that was the grade you got, no weighting or anything like that

[supple laurel]

4.0 is first class

[winter shoal]

I guess that's more or less the same?

[earnest canyon]

its pretty simple, but the pressure mounting year on year isnt ideal

[winter shoal]

You're from some sort of northern EU country right

[modest condor]

western european

[earnest canyon]

we have 1st class (70%+), upper 2nd class (60%+), lower second class (50%+), 3rd class (40%+) and fail

then you have "with honours" which i think means you contributed to the literature with a thesis or dissertation

[winter shoal]

What was the grade required to pass though? It's not terribly uncommon for test averages in the US to be like 60-65%

[modest condor]

our grades are 1-10 and a passing grade is 5.5+

[earnest canyon]

most exams seem designed to be very hard to master but let you stretch your legs

I got 95% in some exams but 60% in others

[modest condor]

and generally speaking a 5.5 means you got half the questions on the exam correct

[undone flower]

i saw my first aug

[slim coral]

Glad it got trashed

Spec needs to stay in the trash

[modest condor]

delete aug

[undone flower]

but wtf is monk heal

first boss

[earnest canyon]

I didnt mind aug, but having only 1 single spec in the game that could to that level of buffing meant it will always be broken or useless

[sour frigate]

boxer.

[undone flower]

giga chad details

[sour frigate]

whats wrong with it?

[clever path]

with the bloodthirst weakaura, do we only press BT as filler when the aura isnt glowing?

[finite sundial]

Does the 4 peice even do a noticeable amount of damage?

I feel like it doesnt

[earnest canyon]

if everything else is on cd, yeah

[torpid elbow]

what does it mean when you over lap your mastery and it says -10% does that mean im losing damage?

[modest condor]

it means you hit the first DR point so each point of mastery is only worth 90% what it was before

whether it means you're losing damage is something only a sim can tell you

[torpid elbow]

DR point is there anyway you could be more in depth?
?

[earnest canyon]

Diminishing returns

[sour frigate]

no just getting 10% less mastery...

[earnest canyon]

it just means you need more and more rating to get the same percentage increase: it isnt linear

its to stop you getting to like 150% mastery or whatever

I think the actual cap is like 125% or something, but noone is getting there with gear in the game

[earnest canyon]

https://maxroll.gg/wow/resources/stat-diminishing-returns

Here is the depth

[edgy widget]

it's not really something you need to think about in practice, since sims already take it into account

[earnest canyon]

yes I havent ever thought about it, i just do what the robot says

[clever path]

is it like that for both slayer and mountain thane?

[earnest canyon]

Sorry.....re-read....yes....if you cant press anything else, why wouldnt you press it

just auto attack?

[fierce peak]

Are you guys finding it hard to do above 3ish mil in overall dps in keys

I find my damage on aoe packs quite a bit lower than other classes in 12s. But boss dam a lot higher

[edgy widget]

see the last line here
#updates-midnight message

[modest condor]

liquid on a new best pull, i unmute and first thing i hear is "press your macros"

[earnest canyon]

that is their trick: all chars are played purely through macros

[vocal gyro]

yeah its cause they sat the dps warrior

[modest condor]

real

[crude flicker]

do not worry boys there is hope for us fury men

Grip hard grip fast

[dire vigil]

Removed dps warrior from the comp. Pain.

[winter shoal]

Depends on the key and group

[edgy widget]

plate dps down bad this tier

[clever path]

blizz needs to nerf fire mage and ww monk

[dire vigil]

Ngl, that sucks for Wolfdisco. I imagine it would feel pretty shitty to have the best pull of 29% an hour ago and be told you’re gonna sit the rest of the way for a 4th fire mage

[winter shoal]

Super sucks for him but that's the nature of the beast with RWF

[dire vigil]

Then again, idk. They probably don’t think of it like that. Team effort, but still

[final eagle]

if you want that your team wins, that doesnt matter i guess

[dire vigil]

Yeah

[winter shoal]

Also tbf their best pull was 29% an hour ago and it's 14% now

[dire vigil]

Yeah.

[winter shoal]

Fire mage working out it seems

[dense fulcrum]

so i crafted the sword 675, now i have the free emblem to craft a 658 piece, should i craft the everforged vambrace? with that?

[junior gale]

we know fire and monk nerfs after RWF coming hopefully

[winter shoal]

Can't wait for mages to get nerfed and then all the pug mages in my keys to be even more dogwater than they already are

[dire vigil]

Assuming there’s no insane last 10% that takes a week to figure out, this was such a weird tier

[winter shoal]

Maybe I'll gap them by 2m overall instead of 1m now

[dire vigil]

Stix was the wall, then they played badly on Sprocketmonger, and then knocked out Bandit so quickly and honestly crushed Mugzee, as well

[winter shoal]

I called Mugzee being 150 pulls and it was 149, I don't think anyone called Stix being 116 though

[dire vigil]

It’s been just under 24 hours of final boss and it’s almost dead

Either a super weird tier or Liquid has become an insurmountable powerhouse that is so far beyond any other guild in the game by several orders of magnitude.

[earnest canyon]

they have firedup, that guy is on another level....the plays on mugzee to spread ignite alone were fucking insane

[dire vigil]

Not over until it’s over but they’re clearly so much better than Echo now

Echo had a completely scuffed Mugzee kill

[earnest canyon]

Yes....its kinda sad really....because they also had power and server outages

[dire vigil]

Yup

[earnest canyon]

but are still ahead

[dire vigil]

Honestly, it’s not sad. I’m pretty fed up with the sore loser act from Scripe and Gingi.

[winter shoal]

I'll glaze IFU til the cows come home but lets not act like there weren't 5 other mages doing the same shit lmao

[dire vigil]

I’d love for Method to just pass them up for #1 EU

[earnest canyon]

idk what glaze means

[winter shoal]

doing tricks on it

[wheat lantern]

+10 slayer build , am i just bad or what ? is this decent or not decent

[earnest canyon]

oh

[wheat lantern]

+10 ML

[dire vigil]

Play thane, that’s your problem

[wheat lantern]

ya i forgot i was spec'd into slayer

[winter shoal]

It's pretty low - thane would probably be better but that implies to me that you either died, have lots of downtime, or are making some core rotational errors

Or your gear is dogshit

[earnest canyon]

Id love for method to be top or 2nd....Scott basically invented the RWF then they had that drama with that priest and it all fell apart

[winter shoal]

I accidentally did a +10 TOP earlier in slayer raid build and did like 2.6m overall or so?

at 652

[wheat lantern]

2 deaths / 654 ilvl / 2 665 weps / most likely rotational issues. im usually thane but forgot to switch

[dire vigil]

I never knew of the leader of Method but he had that video recently of how excited he was for the race and he seems like a super chill guy

[winter shoal]

Yeah 1.9m at 654 is not it chief

Are you using your cds on cd?

[wheat lantern]

yeah sending it whenever i get

[winter shoal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FAfLvCGvV8

Super chill guy btw

[dire vigil]

Lmaooo idk if that’s the same guy who made the video I’m referring to though haha

😂

[earnest canyon]

No idea about his personality, just saying it must suck to invent something then have it snatched from under you, then have to rebuild it

[winter shoal]

I mean...

[wheat lantern]

@winter shoal i have a 9 floodgate here with 2.11M mountain thane, most likely im heavily ass at fury

[winter shoal]

It's not like it just happened to him

His organization that he built harbored and shielded a predator

[dire vigil]

That’s all before my time in the game. Idk specifics

[earnest canyon]

maybe I am wrong, but there was no RWF before method started streaming

all the stuff around it was terrible

the priest guy

[winter shoal]

I'm pretty sure the first guild to stream top level prog (and also do 21st man) was BDG back in legion

They were like world 4th or 5th at the time I think

[thorny cove]

dang I figured out my spark problems guys apparently if you combine the 2 fractured before you turn one in for the quest, you can't get anymore for the quest

[winter shoal]

I want to say it was Uldir that liquid and method streamed the actual RWF

[earnest canyon]

they didnt commercialise it though did they? Look at the sponsors and event

*events

[winter shoal]

Nah it was just a 4fun thing

[earnest canyon]

yeah thats what i meant

it wasnt really a job for people

now it is

[static rock]

Is everyone just simming ST for mythic+?

[winter shoal]

ye

[earnest canyon]

i do ST sim with 6 mobs

[edgy widget]

you'll need another spark, but yes, Writhing would pair best with the weapon

[earnest canyon]

and then st alone

[edgy widget]

that wasn't true earlier in the week, so idk

could just wait until tues, get your new half and try to turn in then

not much reason to craft before your next vault anyway

[winter shoal]

any rwf spectators rn

this boss is getting milked

[earnest canyon]

yeah watching

[winter shoal]

WHAT

THat was it???

[slim coral]

Liquid won

[modest condor]

wow lmao

[slim coral]

That fight was insane

Holy

[modest condor]

boss was easier than the 4th boss

[torpid sand]

that was a hell of an ugly kill but holy fuck

i was hyped

[slim coral]

They played clean asf

Last part was blind

[earnest canyon]

weird that mugzee was harder

[junior gale]

USA USA USA

[torpid sand]

Gallywix is by far the easiest last boss of a raid in years

[slim coral]

Weird for sure but they played well

[torpid sand]

not even joking

[young swan]

mickey mouse tier

[dire vigil]

Not even close

Yeah super weird raid

[slim coral]

Abberus 2.0

[dire vigil]

Hardest part was some bs trash mechanic

[worthy turret]

the fuck was the last boss lmao so anti climatic

[slim coral]

Well mugzee was the hardest boss

Don’t think any guild outside rwf could kill it

[earnest canyon]

it will get heavily nerfed on reset I think

[wheat lantern]

off the rip are we sending ravager then rampage?

[slim coral]

For sure

[wheat lantern]

or TB / ravager / rampage

[winter shoal]

Sini got world first on his 3rd pull

Warrior was the problem

[fickle cedar]

well that sucks, hoped for a thougher last boss which usually ends up in a closer race

[modest condor]

lmao free bird playing on max's stream

[slim coral]

Well atleast it’s gonna be a short tier

Raid nerfs will come quick asf

[fickle cedar]

it's kinda of anticlimactic tbh lol

[modest condor]

maybe this means gally wont need 5 waves of nerfs for normal CE guilds to kill it

[winter shoal]

More than kinda

[slim coral]

I mean liquid stilll had to game

They played insane

But Gally itself was weird for sure

[fickle cedar]

yeah definitely, it's just that I maybe expected the fight to get way harder towards the end I suppose

[earnest canyon]

yes it looked insane mechanics at the start

I stopped watching every pull and just did like every 5 or so

[slim coral]

Cool fight tho

[earnest canyon]

yeah it looked hectic as fuck

[slim coral]

Melee looked afk ngl

[young swan]

they had a dps dead for 2 minutes

they did not need to game lmfao

[slim coral]

Except the surpress mechanic

[earnest canyon]

firedup needs banning

[winter shoal]

two dps 🙂 thd and xesevi

[modest condor]

tbh im more disappointed that from 60% to 0 it's just the same mechanics but with less room

[earnest canyon]

watching him on mugzee was insane

[modest condor]

it's basically a 2 phase fight

[slim coral]

Brother did you see firedup pov

[young swan]

heroic boss

[dire vigil]

Fight looks awesome, but just seems weird that it took 24 hours to kill including DDos and Sleep

[slim coral]

Bro was fucking gaming

[wheat lantern]

Windsinger's runed citrine or legendary skippers citrine ? thane

[restive peak]

Man it looks so cool, and it'll be fun, but wow is it the easiest end boss in modern WoW

Sark wasn't overly crazy but still felt harder than that

[winter shoal]

sim it but probably windsinger

[fickle cedar]

mugzee is like twice harder than this I think

[wheat lantern]

whats the usually sim ? patchwerk ?

[earnest canyon]

no that was red man from the red raid

i cant remember the boss names

[restive peak]

Sire???

[earnest canyon]

no

way before that

[restive peak]

I was gonna say lol

[fickle cedar]

xavius

[restive peak]

I feel like modern WoW is BFA on