in the raid yeah
#fury
brisk idol
Should I trade in 2p s2 set for 4p s1 set? I have s2 vet shoulders and hero chest. I'd be trading 2 myth pieces out for that. Is it worth?
pine wagon
for mountain thain do we not use whirlwind anymore since we get stacks every thunderclap?
frozen berry
I'm assuming a hero track M+ weapon(haste-vers) is better than a champion track Capital Punisher right?
arctic nebula
do we get an extra catalyst charge on this weeks reset or is it next week?
luckily got tier sorted and 1 charge to spare!
chilly fractal
Next
feral ivy
just did 2 10's and healer left each time before the last boss
lost saffron
paladin damage pretty low as well
rotund ginkgo
tank was god awful as well
he made insanely stupid pulls and didnt interrupt anything
im surprised we timed
22 avengers shield interrupts btw
chilly fractal
DFC is free
hollow bramble
is it worth catalysing 2 piece new and breaking 4pc old?
turbid dove
yes
hollow bramble
thankyou
slim grotto
Spongie do you love me
gleaming siren
sullen dove
?
warm crag
Spongie do you love me
farming the buzzer trinket
short cobalt
is crafting weapon still first ?
silent swift
Its the smart choice for first
covert blaze
frank dawn
It's basically guaranteed value if you're not a top 10-20 world guild
and even for those people, would have to have stronk rng
last sparrow
farming the buzzer trinket
winter shoal
Catalyze when you can guarantee 4pc
If you later get a tier piece in the slot you catalyzed, you wasted your catalyst charge
hollow bramble
thankyou
velvet obsidian
Or ignore tier altogether since it's like a 4% increase iirc. 🧂
short cobalt
thanks for the info!!
sand hedge
yoo, is it worth getting a 2h mythic from the vault or wait for craft?
slim grotto
farming the buzzer trinket
My expectations were so low that I just embrace the wk1 socket meta
lucid thorn
what should i use my enchanted runed crest on?
lean haven
Is BT have more prio over rb in thane build? Saw Critcake stream, when he spam bt nonstop.
silk wharf
You hit bt when you have a certain amount of +crit on it. That is approx every other rampage.
lean haven
@silk wharf yes, i know, Bloodthirst with 3+ stacks of Bloodcraze . But he spams it like nonwstop. Like on cooldown
rotund ginkgo
or do i have to do the delve that drops mecha gear w/e?
wispy thistle
@lean haven BT can proc tblast so its probaly for that reason
true sequoia
Anyone else been put in a battlenet queue to get on?
slim grotto
last sparrow
or do i have to do the delve that drops mecha gear w/e?
iirc they all drop it
slim grotto
small indie company hit server capacity
wispy thistle
so i can just do any delve to 8
you have to do at least 2 8s
silk wharf
<@227964607912869890> yes, i know, Bloodthirst with 3+ stacks of Bloodcraze . ...
Well, without having personally seen the gameplay I would do what he does. But with that said, sometimes BT doesn't crit and you fire it again.
solar shadow
Folly’s alright
rotund ginkgo
thats the one w the mushroom and jump pads and shit no?
wispy thistle
yeah
wispy thistle
i did it to get this seasons delve level up, only took like 15 mins a run maybe
wispy thistle
i didnt sit there with a timer but it was quick
warm crag
ebon venture
which delves does the mechano core amplifier drop from?
silk wharf
The new one is super quick if you're going for speed and not nemesis chest.
warm crag
which delves does the mechano core amplifier drop from?
all of them its just random
ebon venture
so if i am trying to farm it, which one would be a quick delve i could run
feral ivy
both of the new ones are easy and soloable
ebon venture
should i be looking to prioritze bountiful delves if i have a key? what i mean is, does my chances get any better
placid crane
is simming broken with fury? I dont understand how if I sim my season 2, 4 pc at an avg of 650 ilvl it is worth to keep on my 2 pc from season 1...
fresh mango
should i be looking to prioritze bountiful delves if i have a key? what i mean i...
u wont get that trinket from a non bountiful delve
sand crest
is simming broken with fury? I dont understand how if I sim my season 2, 4 pc at...
probably because 15% dmg on ramp after every BT is way better than 15% on bt or rb after every winning streak proc
upbeat blade
until you get item level
sage thicket
anyone run the numbers for 2p and 4p fury?
sorry if posted, tried to look but might be blind dno
hidden tendon
dire vigil
trinket or trash weapon even worth taking?
supple fractal
Got a question for you gents. I got a 678 wep out the vault today. Should I still hold until next week to craft a 2h or is worth crafting a piece with an embellishment?
dire vigil
trash vault
alpine kiln
trash vault
buy the dip
oblique trail
trash vault
You just take the weapon
It doesn't matter waht secondaries it has, it's still a 2handed myth track wepaon
dire vigil
fair. fair. Wanted a mastery haste one but all g
modest condor
i mean whether you get an 8% dps increase or an 8.2% dps increase a myth track weapon is a myth track weapon
warm crag
weapons are like literally the only slot you dont care about secondaries on ye
clever belfry
🌱
broken pewter
Can u guys give me quick fury tldr for keys?
clever belfry
ww then press dmg button
thorny cove
is raidbots accurate for cyrce's circlet? it does like 2.5% of my dam in a dungeon and saying regular rings are an upgrade over it
pure quail
should i open vault as Arms or stay fury?? i know fury has the chance of a 1h dropping. just wondering
warm crag
stay in arms loot spec forever
pure quail
copy
dire vigil
thanks for talking me off the ledge lmao
I was like "man this vault really blows" but yeah now I just prio the same stats in other spots. I cant run 0% vers
warm crag
idk you have the best case scenario vault ye
oblique trail
It's also really unhinged thinking this deeply about stats
It's the first vault of the season
And you will replace almost your gear anyway
dire vigil
lmao what I dont like is knowing that if I were to get a better stats weapon, that I'd rather have that one instead. I like to be somewhat strategic long term about my vaults
But yeah, I literally took gold for 6 straight weeks last season, it's not that serious.
lucid thorn
what should i craft with the enchanted crest?
anything specific or just throw it somewhere
solemn widget
With the nerf to mechano trinket Is it still bis at 665?
oblique trail
hers
clever belfry
With the nerf to mechano trinket Is it still bis at 665?
solemn widget
My b I meant bis lol
full bison
have sims been updated to reflect the nerrf to mechano core yet? asking since have one in vault and sim sayign its the highest dmg rn
past pivot
Maybe it wasn't so bad after all getting this in Vault instead of a mechano-core.
static rock
is droptimizer up to date? the ilvls are still showing S1
celest sierra
Slayer still bad for keys ?
past pivot
It never was "bad", just not as good as Thane in higher keys
smoky vale
Catalyze when you can guarantee 4pc
bring it back
crude flicker
Champ best in slots or hero tier gloves up from 619 for 2pc? Thinking gloves just cause i’ll get hero/myth weapon real soon anyways
past pivot
Tier is meh. I'd take weapon. Use as OH next week
crude flicker
Probably easier to get gloves in m+ more than a weap too thats not a bad idea
tepid cedar
I passed up on eye for myth weapon. In the long run, 2 weeks that’s more dps than the trinket. Hurt my souls going over the eye. I do have my 4p now though which feels good
Just don’t forget for those of you lucky to get myth track weapon. DO NOT upgrade it to 678z be patient and wait til next week til you can craft bis ascension 675. Will save you a lot of crest that can go elsewhere
678+crafted is 5-10k dps only vs 678 BIS + cracked
bitter palm
bring it back
bitter palm
Just don’t forget for those of you lucky to get myth track weapon. DO NOT upgra...
should take arms into account
considering how strong it is on 2 important bosses
potentially 3
smoky vale
potentially 3
bring it back
bitter palm
idk how much better myth+dawn/dusk is
over ascendance on arms
cause i am not raiding this tier so ascendance is insta dead to me
surreal ocean
What talent would you guys drop in the MT m+ build to pick up SMF?
Wanna see what the dps diff is with 1h weaps 20ilvl higher
tepid cedar
should take arms into account
Normal vs heroic is subliminal. And if it drops I’ll get it. In the long run, myth track weapon is better considering god knows when you will see one again and we have some bad ass trinkets that can be farmed.
And I refuse to be an arms pesant 😂
bitter palm
What talent would you guys drop in the MT m+ build to pick up SMF?
Wanna see wha...
try 2h+1h
in case u only have 1 decent 2h
probably vicious contempt
idk what else u could drop honestly
past pivot
2h + 1H is the worst combo. 1 weapon doesn;t get bonus
past pivot
Carrying 2 2handers is a bonus
rigid yacht
When are we best breaking S1 tier set this time lads?
bitter palm
yeah but if u dont have the other 2h or if its absolute dog ass
past pivot
When sims say to
torpid elbow
we just need the bis trinkets and gear and we gonnna be pumping its just gearing up problems
earnest canyon
whats the standard iLevel of items in a tier 8 without a coffer key?
im so sick of shit trinkets that i cant upgrade
heavy dock
639 i think? champion track
iron portal
yes
marble pilot
Just confirming real quick this trinket is real bad right? It isnt even on the trinket list on wowhead gear page.
fervent wind
Holup, reactions are deactivated in this disc ong?
How do I pregnant man react now
🫃
red rampart
hc mechanocore amplifier or w/e its called waiting for me in vault
i have that in my vault as well only 1/6 hero....i got raid soon and have been simming all my specs and researching and going crazy deciding what to do. i didnt get very far since tuesday..and i already messed up recrafting my wrists because i thought we get 1 spark per week even though no one told me that and i didnt google anything :X
modest condor
How do I pregnant man react now
exactly the reason it's not allowed
fervent wind
exactly the reason it's not allowed
🫃
earnest canyon
ah its 592
fervent wind
That's as close as I get. It'll have to do
earnest canyon
ur a pregnant man....lay off the booze
cursive pivot
so big question. do i replace last season 4 set with 2 and 2? then all 4?
past pivot
so big question. do i replace last season 4 set with 2 and 2? then all 4?
What do your sims suggest?
cursive pivot
didnt check yet
rare garnet
rare garnet
I went 2/2 cause it simmed better
red rampart
before taking Mechano from vault, should i try using my delvers bounty for a shot at it in delve? assuming thats possible, then take something else from vault if i even do get it :x
past pivot
Dod our tier get buffed? So many people talking about tier bonuses. Thought they were meh at best
quiet breach
bro the tier helmet looks so fukkin cool
past pivot
before taking Mechano from vault, should i try using my delvers bounty for a sho...
Mechano was nerfed so dunno where it stands now.
cursive pivot
ok so thanks for telling me to sim
earnest canyon
before taking Mechano from vault, should i try using my delvers bounty for a sho...
i try to do all the new content except raid before taking from vault
so delves, whatever the weekly is (if it can be ilevel upgrade) etc etc
compact knot
HOLY FUCKKK
red rampart
^ tyvm, i am gonna do this
compact knot
i pulled a champion energy drink from my coffer key and a heroic amplifier from my bounty map
in the same delve
red rampart
😄
compact knot
red rampart
WOOOOOOT
rare garnet
Hero energy drink today… I’m all amped up
compact knot
You get that in tier 8 delves from using the map right?
yeah
heavy dock
meanwhile i get a crit versa helmet
compact knot
i would have loved that too
ive done like 20 delves and 50 keys and havent even SEEN a helmet drop
no plate/mail/leather/cloth
median kestrel
do we still want this thing?
summer lava
Is thane still better than slayer for m+ ?
summer quail
do we still want this thing?
prob yeah. it's only a nerf to one of the effects
eternal sundial
Is thane still better than slayer for m+ ?
more aoe less st
young swan
do we still want this thing?
its still pretty good but no longer bis
young swan
or is it not worth it?
not worth
finite vector
Does anyone know if there is a weak aura like Slayer Execute Conditions that Arms has but for Fury?
earnest canyon
not worth
I track it so I can yell "WINNING STREAK!" each time it procs.....pug groups love me for it
hardy wadi
is bloodthirst on m+ aoe situations still priority over raging blows?
finite vector
https://wago.io/r8u4tHLRQ
legend, thanks man
quiet breach
@bitter palm will this wa kaching me if ashen jugg is about to fall off? what about when i have 3 stacks of marked for execution?
Reason im asking is cuz i just realized it only ever shows me the sudden death symbol visually
wanton mirage
is amorphous relic good now ? hmm
past pivot
Stats at 658
hardy wadi
it reads really good
modest condor
definitely worth keeping an eye on for when the sims are updated
hardy wadi
30 secs is rather long also
is there any fury streamer thats doing m+ that plays slayer not thane?
i really need some material for reference x-x
hardy wadi
you mean where u see how many stacks u have?
quiet breach
i mean that sounds good, but i was mostly looking for something that will ding me when i can cast thunder blast
warm crag
how much does the pacemaker give
quiet breach
actually il bet thats easy to make on my own i bet i can figure that out
warm crag
might be closest to approximating the relic
south kayak
Imaging losing str for haste
cerulean grail
in st
sand crest
in what world would you not want to just attack faster if the sim is similar
haste > all
south kayak
secondaries are better than mainstat
I didn’t know that was the case
earnest canyon
haste > all
sand crest
60+% haste in sl fated season with the dread lord affix was bis
earnest canyon
I’m gonna stack size increase
past pivot
60+% haste in sl fated season with the dread lord affix was bis
200% haste in Torghast imo
sand breach
is it worth rocking 2 set from this season and drop 4 set from last season ?
quiet breach
you mean where u see how many stacks u have?
when you say stacks what do you mean? stacks of what?
sand crest
stacks of thunder blast
inner zinc
is there like an ilvl threshold where pieces of gear outvalue our current tier set?
sand crest
you can have up to two at a time
quiet breach
oh\
sand crest
so if you have two stacks and press ava, you lose two stacks since ava instantly gices you two
you want to spend tb stacks before pressing ava ideally
cerulean badger
ello guys, is there a WA that yells at me when i have to press BT over RB?
turbid needle
winter python
Yo guys quick question is fury better in raid atm ? Or is it just play whatever because there I no real difference in dmg between arms and fury
earnest canyon
Yo guys quick question is fury better in raid atm ? Or is it just play whatever ...
unless you are in a top 1000 guild or something it doesnt make a diff, play wha tyou enjoy
young swan
unless you are in a top 1000 guild or something it doesnt make a diff, play wha ...
top 100*
top 10** even
earnest canyon
i was gonna say top 100, but i added a zero for safety
earnest canyon
ive only ever been in a top 500 guild and that was in legion....i couldnt get into a top 10000 guild now 😢
modest condor
amorphous still weak after the buffs
young swan
Yo guys quick question is fury better in raid atm ? Or is it just play whatever ...
doesnt matter, play whichever u prefer/are more comfy on
modest condor
658 loses to a 626 sacbrood
warm crag
amorphous still weak after the buffs
gg go next
south kayak
At what point does it not
hardy wadi
with slayer in m+ i actually spam bloodthirst in aoe situations and in st situations i try to do 2-3 raging blows before bloodthirst is this still correct for aoe? i feel confident in st but i feel like i could do way more dmg if i change something in aoe
warm crag
Reap is a very powerful ability you should press bt nearly on CD in aoe ye
Just follow prio or press buttons ur doing fine
hardy wadi
Reap is a very powerful ability you should press bt nearly on CD in aoe ye
thanks
sand crest
fury will feel bad in big pulls compared to other specs since we're hard capped and no longer have double odyns
not much to be done about that whether its slayer or thane
hardy wadi
last season i watched jeventustv i think that was the name and it made slayer look super fun and i was copying him and it felt really good but now i only see thane videos (i understand that because constistent aoe) but i really want to watch someone do the content thats considered high atm so i can see how they play
warm crag
Idk i think most gamers are on arms cause its just better
hardy wadi
yee saw many arms vids also... but something feels off for me when i try to play it
winter shoal
Large
warm crag
Press cleave Hit hard holy moly
hardy wadi
playing fury since bfa and never had the feeling i want to play sth else
winter shoal
do we still want this thing?
yes
winter shoal
anyone have a thunder blast wa?
https://wago.io/w_TkIiKol Made this a while back, no idea if I've changed mine since then, should do what it says in the title tho
quiet breach
https://wago.io/w_TkIiKol Made this a while back, no idea if I've changed mine s...
ty
hollow canopy
Is Garbagemancer's Last Resort trash? Don't see it listed on bloodmallet on any number of targets.
hollow canopy
👍
fickle bluff
658 loses to a 626 sacbrood
I love my passive trinket (remnant of darkness loses astronomically)
remote bobcat
playing fury since bfa and never had the feeling i want to play sth else
playing fury in cinderbrew losing in dps to absolute idiots be like:
ruby osprey
amorphous still weak after the buffs
feels like they could put both buffs at the same time and only then would it be alright ?
sturdy trench
Quick question. How come Haste/Vers Legs are BiS for us from Rookery?
im assuming our mast/haste is reaching a scaling value where Vers is good to have?
tidal kindle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wktJSeAzRoizaRruZYWwiL
@young swan are you more lootfed than this
earnest canyon
im assuming our mast/haste is reaching a scaling value where Vers is good to hav...
probably....looking at the stats, I would assume that they are only bis in that exact bis set....always just sim yourself
sturdy trench
probably....looking at the stats, I would assume that they are only bis in that ...
yeah you right
pastel spoke
is the delve trinket sill bis ?
slim coral
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wktJSeAzRoizaRruZYWwiL
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smoky vale
hi xan
tidal kindle
https://tenor.com/view/oh-wow-you-dont-say-michael-office-wow-michael-scott-gif-...
Other warr in guilkd
restive peak
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wktJSeAzRoizaRruZYWwiL
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junior gale
restive peak
We ball uncontrollably brotato chip
quiet breach
so i should using reck/avatar basically as much as possible, but saving bladestorm/thunderous roar to burst down adds? or should i be using all as much as possible?
restive peak
In what sense
You should send everything together as often as possible, but send bs/reck basically on CD w AM
Unless a pack is about to die, boss is coming etc
But those nuances come from practice
slim coral
We ball uncontrollably brotato chip
are you in warpath
earnest canyon
We ball uncontrollably brotato chip
can i join your guild runs? In return I can give you an expired $10 subway voucher from 2003
earnest canyon
will do, thanks! 🫡
slim coral
That's what the guild title says broheeeeemer
can you tell your guildies if they're gonna queue for a 10 to know what the fuck is going on
4 of them were just running it down!
sudden tusk
tidal kindle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vCugMZy4LS5NYBXmH3uLUu
Wheres the diff coming from
O 2p new tier
I guess?
My split zenith: 0
balmy shore
@young swan heard ur a bad driver
viscid dirge
hello, I need some help understanding openers for fury
No DPS shaming
remote bobcat
pvp trinkets lol
viscid dirge
In the (fury) opener rotation it says to charge pop cds and rampage, but I dont have enough rage to rampage there, does it mean to use bloodthirst to enrage?
remote bobcat
In the (fury) opener rotation it says to charge pop cds and rampage, but I dont ...
do reck charge avatar then u have enough
tacit abyss
charge with reck and one auto hit is enough
viscid dirge
so i should pop cds and charge after
dense elbow
Only pop reck, but yah, if you want the extra rage
viscid dirge
also does rampage always hit multitarget?
dense elbow
Only with meatcleaver up, from WW
restive peak
OH yeah only 1 of those is on their main and they were memin lmao
young swan
<@137363315817971712> heard ur a bad driver
remote bobcat
also does rampage always hit multitarget?
read your whirlwind talents
restive peak
Wheres the diff coming from
Guess so lol
viscid dirge
im running the m+ talents with thunder blast
dense elbow
Just do a clap, then rampage, that be it
remote bobcat
im running the m+ talents with thunder blast
read your whirlwind talents that you have skilled right now please
it will give you proper understanding
remote bobcat
these 2
essentially: whenever you whirlwind, thunderclap or thunderblast you get 4 stacks of this buff that turns your single target (e.g. Rampage) into a 5 target cleave'd spell
dense elbow
Told him to read it, then explained it either way. No commitment to your teaching method
remote bobcat
(im very impatient)
remote bobcat
hc?
dense elbow
Not even a 💯 get out
quiet breach
normal
remote bobcat
F
smoky vale
remote bobcat
but good regardless
quiet breach
im 630 ilvl
remote bobcat
gz king
quiet breach
havent done hc yet
viscid dirge
So I was trying to understand, the rotation of aoe opener and why we rampage before we get meatcleaver which I assume its just a prio to be enraged. correct? therefore first rampage in rotation does not cleave, its purpose is to enrage. Correct?
dense elbow
662 is mythic track, ye? Ye, prob is
winter shoal
662 is mythic track, ye? Ye, prob is
If it drops at 662 yes
remote bobcat
So I was trying to understand, the rotation of aoe opener and why we rampage bef...
wdym before meatcleaver
dense elbow
winter shoal
So I was trying to understand, the rotation of aoe opener and why we rampage bef...
Correct your rampage is to enrage you, it's not THAT big of a deal to tc/ww first though
remote bobcat
In the (fury) opener rotation it says to charge pop cds and rampage, but I dont ...
here rampage is slightly better since you dont want to use thunderblast while not enraged ye
calm swallow
Unsure how I feel about this
remote bobcat
Unsure how I feel about this
where +10 vault ?
get grinding, king
you got it in you
undone flower
639, you did a nerubar reclear ?
finite spruce
do i take tokens on this one?
calm swallow
639, you did a nerubar reclear ?
No just normal raid
remote bobcat
639, you did a nerubar reclear ?
nhc drops 639 no?
dense elbow
it was the full aoe opener
If so, then the madlads prob found it not being worth the global pushback to cleave 1 rampage, so just trust that
short cobalt
is our 2h crafted 1 spark or 2?
undone flower
nhc drops 639 no?
Nerubar rare drops too ( it was a joke)
calm swallow
where +10 vault ?
In my future when I have time and don't have to forkin pug everything
dense elbow
2 sparkz
remote bobcat
In my future when I have time and don't have to forkin pug everything
pugging 10s is easy lad get to grindin
we wanna see our fellow warriors successful
calm swallow
Naga I get like... 2 hours every other night to play, 3 on my 1-night-a-week raid lol
dense elbow
I failed a +2 today. You wouldnt believe how bad pugs can be :v
calm swallow
I spend half that fuckin time queuing and the other half watching keys get bricked
remote bobcat
Naga I get like... 2 hours every other night to play, 3 on my 1-night-a-week rai...
no guild?
calm swallow
We raid one night a week
remote bobcat
no m+ with guild ?
undone flower
If you were EU I would gladly give you a +10 in your vault
smoky vale
not filling delve vault is grief
mad?
calm island
is there a crafting order in faq or something
dense elbow
Probably, in BiS list it usually got a recommended section for gearing order
smoky vale
hi kitty
remote bobcat
C-A-S-U-A-L
what the hell does that have to do with sitting in pugs instead of with guildies my goyim
undone flower
The crafting order is the friends me make along the way
meager gyro
yo woyer sucks now why would I finish gearing it 
dense elbow
I am worried, no :3 or smiley or nothing
smoky vale
is there a crafting order in faq or something
meager gyro
I thought it was topping meters boy that boy done middle of the pack
calm swallow
what the hell does that have to do with sitting in pugs instead of with guildies...
My guild, also casual, if that wasn't obvious as fork with "One night a week" raiding lol
earnest canyon
C-A-S-U-A-L
what is wrong with being casual?
smoky vale
I am worried, no :3 or smiley or nothing
im playing mage in a guild where we are consistently wiping on hc stix
🙂
im bored
dense elbow
The smile died long ago
remote bobcat
My guild, also casual, if that wasn't obvious as fork with "One night a week" ra...
i don't see how that prevents any of you from playing with eachother
undone flower
Fire right ?
remote bobcat
on those short nights when you find time
calm swallow
i don't see how that prevents any of you from playing with eachother
I am usually the only person online outside of raid night
undone flower
What do you not like ? Fire really fun (I didn’t play mage since bfa lol) but it didn’t change a lot
remote bobcat
I am usually the only person online outside of raid night
that's odd to say the least
calm swallow
Glad you think so
calm swallow
last 2 guilds booted me for having to leave a raid encounter to change a blow-out diaper.
So
- this was in between Legion and Shadowlands
You tkaes the good with the bad, even if that means playing exclusively with raid loggers
remote bobcat
Hm idk i believe there are some low-commitment difficult content clearing guilds
might be more fun for someone like you
calm swallow
I like the people. They're good, mostly other parents who understand and aren't jackasses about things like that. So
remote bobcat
fair
calm swallow
I've pugged my way to KSM every tier, a couple times to 3k even. Takes a while, but I get it done
calm swallow
I've ugged keys every tier since SLs2
dense elbow
I respect it, but you a madman
dense elbow
gj
smoky vale
ive never been so bored
calm swallow
used to try and stream keys but that was dead in the water lol
meager gyro
[HUH](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1083885186313359422.gif?size=128&animate...
woyer not on top, back to rogue
eager stirrup
I know this isn't the best place but I got one Fractured Spark of Fortunes last week. Apparently I was supposed to get two? I'm not gonna lie, I only raided, did M+ and the world boss weekly. Where do I get my second one to make a whole one?
remote bobcat
I know this isn't the best place but I got one Fractured Spark of Fortunes last ...
the 2nd one is from the quest next to the catalyst table
eager stirrup
the 2nd one is from the quest next to the catalyst table
Thank you
round kelp
guys does any1 know if the mister locknstalk trinket
is any good for fury? it sims top tier on bloodmallet
earnest canyon
sim it yourself
round kelp
i did, it says garbage, but these sites are all fucked when season starts
slim grotto
Our council has Best in Slots considered for boomkin. I'm about to crash out.
round kelp
i feel u m8, just lost 1 to the lowest dmg on my core
remote bobcat
Our council has Best in Slots considered for boomkin. I'm about to crash out.
why crash out? it's their bis no?
slim grotto
Every superrare is everyone's bis. But zug should always be prio
remote bobcat
Every superrare is everyone's bis. But zug should always be prio
wat
i'd personally argue give best-in-slots to warrior since boomkin is often busy doing mechanics while zug is zuggin
as a logical statement
but then again
its their BIS too
wispy isle
do i still wait for 3 stacks of BC when a target is 35% or lower? or do i just send BT whenever its up?
modest condor
just send bt
remote bobcat
do i still wait for 3 stacks of BC when a target is 35% or lower? or do i just s...
bt prio
slim grotto
wat
whenever blizz does this lazy itemization, every class shares the same bis. Look at s1 with neck/cape/ansur ring.
remote bobcat
still doesnt explain u wanting to crash out lol
wispy isle
ok thanks
slim grotto
they are hindering my potential to zug
dusty kiln
Wait, does the fury 4 piece really add like little DPS?
queen linden
Are stix adds not counted in logs?
mellow crow
anyone know jastor diamond buff name? trying t find it on logs cant seem to see it
earnest canyon
Wait, does the fury 4 piece really add like little DPS?
Compared to my hunter it is night and day yeah
But fury starts stronger and is way more fun to play
unique wyvern
guys
im 2 piece set right now, when i go 4 piece set how much more dmg that means in %?
sorry if the question is a bit wrong, english is not my strong language
stuck prairie
is there a way to sim what items would be the best to upgrade ?
digital ingot
anyone else use this trinket it seems to do way way more damage then the sims suggest
rustic zodiac
Compared to my hunter it is night and day yeah
do you think fury is better right now then arms?
modest condor
vault in 30 minutes, cant wait for mine to be all non-tier pieces in tier slots
young swan
do you think fury is better right now then arms?
yes
earnest canyon
do you think fury is better right now then arms?
depends on the fight...but i cant play arms, its like playing with your feet in gloves
fury just flows, so i play that, but im casual
subtle raven
whats prio in execute with fury now
static rock
does anyone have the link to the spreadsheet where it shows the tier set bonus damage increase
quiet breach
the two weak auras i got earlier literally disappeared from my wa... wtf. can this happen if you change from thane to slayer or vice versa?
young swan
u dont need one
sinful spoke
hmm
young swan
literally useless to track
lean heart
FELLAS
rustic zodiac
yes
i mean for keys, sorry i play both and arms does more mass aoe for sure but fury feels better and has more prio
static rock
does anyone have the link to the spreadsheet where it shows the tier set bonus damage increase?
restive peak
Arms for M+ is just a shitter uncapped class
At least fury brings amazing prio/boss dam
lean heart
i agree
tawdry bane
At least fury brings amazing prio/boss dam
wait youre based
queen linden
Best in slots dropping and instantly going to the ret pally
quiet breach
Arms for M+ is just a shitter uncapped class
when ur doing fury m+ are u usually using thane?
queen linden
quiet breach
Always thane
so boss dam is still really good even on thane huh
restive peak
Slayer just doesn't do it well for M+
tawdry bane
Always thane
oh my god youre so based
restive peak
We have the best boss dam currently
It's actually insane how much boss dam I do over everyone else
Also as the keys are getting higher and we get 3-4 reck/rav/roars and 2 avatars, we catch up anyway
For pulls
Unkillable demon gods too, like 10.6mil hp now
modest condor
it's insane how much hp we have
young swan
have u seen what unholy does to keys
modest condor
i have like 2mil hp more than the priest in my group
lean nacelle
are the trinket changes updated in raidbots?
modest condor
yes
quiet breach
when u go thane u go ravager right? @restive peak
young swan
ye
tawdry bane
ravager is p hot rn
lean heart
many are saying this!
tawdry bane
many such cases
restive peak
Always ravager man lol
lean heart
:true:
restive peak
have u seen what unholy does to keys
Yeah if they're named Vairuh xD
mortal veldt
is it bad my top 3 abilites in raid rn are 1. rampage 2. raging blow 3. bloodthrist
restive peak
Why would that be bad
young swan
is it bad my top 3 abilites in raid rn are 1. rampage 2. raging blow 3. bloodthr...
no thats correct
young swan
Yeah if they're named Vairuh xD
idk who that is but any decent dk
that spec is so stupid
the blood is life
btw
restive peak
You don't know who Vairuh is bro? Lol
young swan
the only dks i know are earth and bicepspump
and i only know bicepspump because earth used to bitch about him being dumb endlessly
solemn adder
Any other fury warrs struggling to get invited to keys?
clever path
yeah if you dont have at least 2k youll get insta declined half the time LOL
solemn adder
What’s a gigs score?
solemn adder
I’m almost 2100 and I get legit insta declined to 6s lol
clever path
been having to bum keys off my guild...in which i do top dps LOL
solemn adder
lol I just joined a new one unfortunately so idk anybody in it
clever path
just feels weird that warrior is decent atm and still dealing with the old blues
solemn adder
It’s awful. I had a healer join a key earlier and type in chat “I’m not grouping with a fury warrior” and left lmao
restive peak
never heard of that person
Hes the glead of DMG and he's a gamer bro
clever path
but we do well at both
mortal veldt
hate to tell you brother, it doesnt get better LOL
solemn adder
I figure, was just curious if it was just me lol
Wondering if just pumping my completed timed keys number up a ton would help, but that would require getting invited
mortal veldt
nope. end of last season I simply did not get accepted into a 13 with a few timed.
just meta shit
no one wants war
solemn adder
Agreed
solemn adder
Yea, I won’t ever go to arms
young swan
psure the most fun warrior spec is prot
modest condor
Hes the glead of DMG and he's a gamer bro
ive never heard of DMG either
clever path
i dont mind fury this tier so far
but i will say it feels...clunky sometimes
i really dont like our tier set
its so boring
young swan
i dont think its clunky
its just boring as shit
flat line damage is so uninteresting
restive peak
ive never heard of DMG either
Pretty solid guild rank for their hours and such, good dudes too
Madox' guild
restive peak
Fair
modest condor
damn i get to choose between shoulders and gloves
scratch that it's not gloves it's wrists, which is my embellishment slot
whole yacht
do we still run ascension/the buff for it?
modest condor
ya
whole yacht
word
clever path
weapon crafting for me next week then im set till mythic for weapons feels nice
restive peak
Wep 120% of the time
somber elk
Wep 120% of the time
thx
maiden sphinx
we gaming 
winter shoal
never heard of that person
Some actual insane Vairuh slander in here holy
Bro has been rank 1 all stars for unholy for like 3 expansions straight or something
modest condor
bro i dont even know how rank 1 fury warrior is
lean heart
we're so back
vivid egret
as a player who is playing both arms and fury in raid should i run darkmoon sigil or duskhream lining
ruby badge
so this amorphous relic i simmed it against my current trinkets which is pacemaker/amplifier by upping its ilvl like this
and its better then both of them
with half the haste it gives
modest condor
where are you gonna find an ilvl 730 trinket?
latent hedge
private server obv
ruby badge
upping to that ilvl made it match its current primary stat
on live
nothing else changes about it
modest condor
it's already using the correct values
modest condor
dont look at the tooltip
past pivot
I have leech on my relic from a delve bounty last week. It seemed to perform decently overall. Guessing the stat boost is to make up for no main or secondary stat static.
modest condor
just sim it at the ilvl you want to compare
ruby badge
oh so the sim is updated since the hotfix?
modest condor
yes
ruby badge
ok that makes more sense ty
tepid cedar
lol everyone trippiong over best is slots where a myth track 678 + 675 craft is realy not that much lower than A 678 BIS+ CRAFT
last time i simmed it was a 105k vs 98k increase.
modest condor
calling that "not that much lower" is a choice
tepid cedar
true
modest condor
that's like 4% lower
tepid cedar
bring back gavelllll
ruby badge
a 678 plus craft is better than a craft + 665 BIS right?
waxen vale
what does the sim say
south tusk
literally i hate blizzard....
chilly fractal
yea I hate it when there are Myth track weapons in my vault week 1 /s
jaunty acorn
what do I take here, Myth haste/mastery weapon or amplifier (i heard it got nerfed)
waxen vale
yea I hate it when there are Myth track weapons in my vault week 1 /s
opaque falcon
does add damage on the 1st boss count on logs?
graceful dock
radiant power weap enchant sims pretty low compared to the others for me, but everyone seems to go it. Is there any reason for that or should I just go with what sims highest?
i mostly do m+
remote bobcat
what do I take here, Myth haste/mastery weapon or amplifier (i heard it got nerf...
im like 90% sure you take the weapon
a lot of trinekts are really good
and fairly obtainable
jaunty acorn
im like 90% sure you take the weapon
thanks, took it after the sims!
sullen dove
this spec is unfun this tier
arms kinda owns
even if its the same spec it has been for the last 8 years
sum bout these bosses makes extended sweeping strikes kinda op....
clever path
Had to suffer seeing a Heroic Best-In-Slots go to a feral
Our group has gotten a best in slots on 3 of our 4 one armed kills (1 on normal 2 for 2 on heroic)
So it’s either dropping a lot or our group is lucky 🍀
remote bobcat
So it’s either dropping a lot or our group is lucky 🍀
luck.
clever path
I mean yeah I assumed so
chilly fractal
Our group has gotten a best in slots on 3 of our 4 one armed kills (1 on normal ...
Our Feral had a 645 weapon so it was like 100k dps gain for him…
open otter
Hey guys! I am still so doubtful what to play...I have always been Fury, but something in me tells me to play Arms in Raid...is there any real comparison in numbers or will Arms be better for sure with increasing Itemlevel?
chilly fractal
Play what you want
clever path
Our Feral had a 645 weapon so it was like 100k dps gain for him…
That’s what it was for me too tonight right at 100k ish increase
chilly fractal
That’s what it was for me too tonight right at 100k ish increase
Didn’t get a chance to voice my opinion that… it should go to a warrior and feral can craft next week
glad plover
Wanna see worst vault in history of the game?
clever path
I mean I can see either side of the argument
But only if both people got to roll or something
chilly fractal
Nah just loot council looking at droptimizers
fair thistle
hey
clever path
Nah just loot council looking at droptimizers
Loot councils always have issues like this bleh
fair thistle
do weknow if gaining 25 ilvl on 2 pieces + 2p/2p is better than 4p ?
chilly fractal
do weknow if gaining 25 ilvl on 2 pieces + 2p/2p is better than 4p ?
You can sim that but yea sounds right
fair thistle
i even think i don't have to sim it
but yeah i'm tired of waiting to equip better items
thx
halcyon python
Shall i always go for myth track weapon rioght
restive peak
Yes
The amount of people in here today w myth track weps asking if they should take tier smh
Our tier is mid as fuck, a myth track capped from even a heroic 1 is like 100k
Ez clap
restive peak
^
amber shuttle
what are we suppose to do with this week's affix?
torpid sand
i swapped to enhanc for now, too lazy to gear my war
why this spec is so hard to play
tidal kindle
First 6 kinda straightforward
somber elk
Guys is Mythic weap + craftet better than mythic weap+ hc bis ?
halcyon python
what is th easiest way to farm delves for the mechanocore, i know its random drop but maybe there is an easy delve to farm i have done it only week one of the expansion
young swan
the question u should be asking is if mythic wep + crafted better than mythic + bis + 2xdawn/dusk
which, almost certainly not
sullen dove
or play a class that can deal with it
?
its literally hug your friends
wym be a class that deals with it
sullen dove
very difficult
near oar
i am assuming after skipper nerfs we are switching to windsingers is this correct
silk wharf
restive peak
the question u should be asking is if mythic wep + crafted better than mythic + ...
Just ran all of these
Even just no BIS w a 665 OH the duskweave crafts with 1 678 1 658 wins
So def we do not need to send on ascendance wep this tier
with BIS
With Myth MH+heroic OH
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kVGeeUY42yBShZg373Spck ascendance+636 belt from last tier
random raptor
Just ran all of these
Thanks for that linc, good to know I won't need to save my spark to get a 2h now
restive peak
As long as you do 10s and will get a myth wep
I see zero point
If you're like a heroic only andy, prob smart to make the 675
But yeah
restive peak
I mean there are so many weps this tier
young swan
eventually u will just have infinite sparks anyways
tidal kindle
operator being looting a 678
Do I swap mains if my alt vaults heroic bis
restive peak
Unless you're Garms
tidal kindle
young swan
idk man
restive peak
Garms has ass luck this tier so far bro
random raptor
This is me right now without normal/heroic clear or crests spent this week
Might go get a runed crest from story mode for a cloak craft
restive peak
This is me right now without normal/heroic clear or crests spent this week
Absolutely craft duskweave lol
restive peak
Other warr in my guild is thanos
Matt and I are both kitted as fuck
random raptor
Absolutely craft duskweave lol
yeah will do a cloak and vambraces next reset
restive peak
But his split had normal BIS last week, heroic this week...I am BIS-less 
clever belfry
I am dried up groot
shut up marvelian
vocal fog
any of u feel dungeon is so mlee unfrdly?
thorny cove
so timed all 6s some even +2 and I can't get into +7s, is my only option to build my own key?
dense elbow
Just tank
oblique trail
Nothing is too egregiously melee unfriendly except 2nd boss Rookery in my personal experience
Or I just haven't cared enough
vocal fog
cant hit at all
somber elk
What Would you guys craft if you got myth weapon this vault? Still weapon ?
dense elbow
Just got to minmax risk and opportunity to avoid downtime, and ya golden
Or change to ranged and chill 
viscid tiger
Meh, thats a kinda good vault i guess? I dont know if i should take trinket on myth or head with socket on myth track 😄 Already got pacemaker HC
primal python
behold the worst first vault of all time, don't even need a socket and it's all garbage
dense elbow
Meh, thats a kinda good vault i guess? I dont know if i should take trinket on m...
Chance to see Trinky again is less than helm. Socket will be gotten from disappointment vault later on either way
Sim and see if there is a big loss/gain to factor in based on your content
potent thicket
Just got to minmax risk and opportunity to avoid downtime, and ya golden
Or chan...
So tempted to go full range..
viscid tiger
Chance to see Trinky again is less than helm. Socket will be gotten from disappo...
But Pacemaker isnt BiS? or?
Sims on the same ilvl say that head is 10k more dps 😄
Im so confused
restive peak
Pacemaker isn't BIS, it's good, I would take the myth track helm w socket
slim coral
Pacemaker owns
young swan
to mechano core
slim coral
I got a myth one today
restive peak
Hmm my pacemaker same ilvl sims notably lower
viscid tiger
Wait, Mechano Core got nerfed?
wheat lantern
i cant wait for blizz to see its still cooked and nerf it even further , mark my words folks
young swan
Wait, Mechano Core got nerfed?
yeah
young swan
Hmm my pacemaker same ilvl sims notably lower
well its only bis at 678
restive peak
Right, I guess makes sense for the ilvl gap
wheat lantern
665 pacemaker or 665 reverb , my reverb comes out top but i dunno , sims is cooked sometimes these days
restive peak
I'd still take the socket helm cuz no shot you're 678ing that thing anytime soon
But that's just me
radiant plank
behold the worst first vault of all time, don't even need a socket and it's all ...
Waxsteel greathelm is arms bis offpiece
viscid tiger
Mhm 😄 Im even more confused now haha
restive peak
If you have a 658 or 665 mecha core right now, it's extremely powerful still, it is not BIS
young swan
i would just take the trinket personally
dense elbow
If equal trinkies are easy to come by, then sure. Helms ain't super rare in the loot pool
young swan
any helm can be catalzyed
viscid tiger
I mean helmet makes much more sense right now, can switch hands tier set for hc off set. But i guess trinket would be the better for the long run?
slim coral
What else are you spending crest on
viscid tiger
What else are you spending crest on
thats what im asking me too
slim coral
Only cost 60 to craft a weapon
viscid tiger
Weapon is next week anyway
slim coral
Still got 90 to spend
primal python
Waxsteel greathelm is arms bis offpiece
yeah I mean might as well go for longterm with this vault + it has avoidance, but what a disappointing vault
slim coral
I took pacemaker and juiced it
dense elbow
No matter what you chose, it is RNG if you come out on top next week or not
So dont sweat it
finite sundial
Do yall pref a bit of crit on the single target fights?
restive peak
I guess myth helm can drop off 1st boss
fading bane
run into balls
Sitx spunkandjunk reference?
radiant plank
yeah I mean might as well go for longterm with this vault + it has avoidance, bu...
Mine was even more dissapointing, got baited by the helmet icon but atleast my myth track helmet from raid has socket already
restive peak
Poor Walhe bro
fading bane
slim coral
Mine was even more dissapointing, got baited by the helmet icon but atleast my m...
Legs are good
radiant plank
Jastor pog
slim coral
MADOX was gooning over those same legs @radiant plank
restive peak
Ring bruh
radiant plank
Legs are good
Already have HC legs, feels kinda waste to take
slim coral
Oh those aren’t myth?
restive peak
Just loot a wep guys I don't get it, it's easy????
torpid sand
i'm not that happy for this patch since i dislike the goblin theme
fading bane
4head
torpid sand
radiant plank
Oh those aren’t myth?
They r myth
slim coral
Then that’s massive
fading bane
Surely Stix drops wep when it dies this week
primal python
Mine was even more dissapointing, got baited by the helmet icon but atleast my m...
oof at least the helm is usable right now then if you have a catalyst charge, I don't have a catalyst charge until next week so the helms aren't even usable now
radiant plank
2 myth armor pieces is Pog
my first raidslot has mythic helm from first boss with socket
radiant plank
oof at least the helm is usable right now then if you have a catalyst charge, I ...
Oh damn you guys already sent catalysts
slim coral
my first raidslot has mythic helm from first boss with socket
That’s sick
fading bane
You ain’t killing it this week
Were currently front page
slim coral
echo or liquid this rwf
No one knows
radiant plank
Everyone prepared for mythic splits again
torpid sand
method is 100% dead so only echo and liquid are on this equation
restive peak
Liquid gonna win bro
fading bane
radiant plank
Last time echo got a non endbos world first Liquid quit the tier
restive peak
Right when they have Gallyboi low
radiant plank
Just saying
wheat lantern
we rocking windsinger runed citrine now ?
restive peak
Revvez is gonna jump off the top ropes, tombstone Scripe, and say he's takin his talents to Cali bro
IT will break echo
clever belfry
revvez google incident
fluid kite
pacemaker myth track in the vault LFG
wheat lantern
meh
earnest canyon
Were currently front page <:clueless:1099922541923024997>
you raid in liquid or echo? If so that is sick
or method....any of the top rwf guilds tbh
fading bane
We raid 4 days and not 24/7 lol
wheat lantern
not good enough
slim coral
Let’s be real 4 days is basically 24/7
fading bane
Ain’t happening this week gg go next
restive peak
We'll leave this week 4/8 almost guaranteed and we do 12hrs
Ez
The nerfs are massive
Not 5, no shot sprocket
But the other 2
slim coral
We nap and go again
earnest canyon
We'll leave this week 4/8 almost guaranteed and we do 12hrs
12hrs a day??
earnest canyon
oh....well I just see how dejen the rwf guilds are but its literally their jobs lol
12hrs a week isnt bad at all for a high end guild
fading bane
They finish in sub 2 weeks at least
radiant plank
They finish in sub 2 weeks at least
Sepulcher
restive peak
Oh god
fading bane
Some bangers in that raid tho
primal python
sepulcher was a banger
fading bane
Halondrus is a goated boss
subtle raven
revvez google incident
u are ass
fading bane
Before it was turbonerfed
mighty wave
theres no reason to track the tier set right since its just uncontrolled procs of damage increase right?
primal python
theres no reason to track the tier set right since its just uncontrolled procs o...
you should so you spend them asap and don't munch them
fading bane
You are cheeks
clever belfry
ok making fun of my disability
subtle raven
im sowwy 
solemn plover
this raid has a lot of frontals unlucko for u
Bro luffy would not condone this
subtle raven
chill bro me and anda are chill like that
restive peak
Some bangers in that raid tho
Halondrus BIS bro
quiet breach
Last time echo got a non endbos world first Liquid quit the tier
wait, these rwf guilds sometimes quit before finishing the tier?
what raid did they quit on
primal python
more even
mighty wave
you should so you spend them asap and don't munch them
is there a weak aura to track it or just follow your ABCs and you're fine?
frank void
❤️ Well, guys. I know i have still to sim it but just asking. Bty any chance upgrading this and skipping weapon crafting part is a good idea and going straight to 2 items 1 spark required for double duskweave lining?
earnest canyon
liquid quit on sepulcher
that was funny....they were in some top of the line facility with personal masseuses, personal chef, top tier everything....and echo were just slogging along
restive peak
I wouldn't say they quit as much as they had to go back to their real jobs lol
Their MT had a fulltime job and a family and had to leave after 2 weeks
primal python
is there a weak aura to track it or just follow your ABCs and you're fine?
I just add the buff as a trigger in BT and RB WA's and condition to make it glow when the buff is active
earnest canyon
I wouldn't say they quit as much as they had to go back to their real jobs lol
i dont remember it like that at all
torpid sand
❤️ Well, guys. I know i have still to sim it but just asking. Bty any chance upg...
You have the answer to your own question mate