#fury

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tidal kindle
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Game is in a good spot now

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Its jhst

slim coral
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would be the best raid to eve exist

sinful spoke
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Oryx thaemine and agrammar

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HOLY

tidal kindle
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$1k to catch up to endgame gear level

sinful spoke
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the holy trinity

covert blaze
tidal kindle
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And thats not counting the stuff like cards / horizontal

covert blaze
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i couldnt stand idiots putting money into the game having better gear than me

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i cba

sinful spoke
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I did too and i couldnt catch up to garms

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I even spent some money too

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I was 3 tiers behind

covert blaze
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and im not calling people that put money into the game idiots per se

sinful spoke
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They are

covert blaze
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just people that i knew that were really really bad at videogames

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having giga gear

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just unfair

sinful spoke
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Game has 25k concurrent players on steam with bots in there

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Games dead

tidal kindle
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The skill is actiually like a 12s cd, tooltips just dont update in this game

restive peak
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Nothing about that looks exciting to me

tidal kindle
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Its so goat

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6s pocket burst > do all your dam > dance around forced downtime

covert blaze
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wardancer šŸ«ƒ

tidal kindle
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Wardancer!

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It's like playing a tekken char in an mmo man

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So much fun

covert blaze
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i loved zerk and wardancer

restive peak
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I'm a boomer, sounds awful

slim coral
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and artierlist

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were so good

covert blaze
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machinist was fun

tidal kindle
covert blaze
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i didnt play it much cause i quit around the time it came out irrc

tidal kindle
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Reaper now is fun af too

frank dawn
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Lost Ark was pretty sweet, but the grind/rng burned me out pretty quick

slim coral
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I prefer

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souleater

covert blaze
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10/10 game destroyed by gacha shit
you hate to see it

frank dawn
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^

fickle cedar
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truee, too much pay too win shit

slim coral
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this is aura

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souleater has the best animations

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@tidal kindle

tidal kindle
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THAT is aura

tidal kindle
slim coral
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wym

tidal kindle
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One use per pull

slim coral
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what

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show me

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show me the beserka and souleater one

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@tidal kindle this?

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holy

tidal kindle
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Nah you gotta see them all

slim coral
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holy

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that berserker one

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I need that in wow right now

iron portal
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wait

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Berseker one ripped off part of Wow music

fickle cedar
frank dawn
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pretty sure that's still true

fickle cedar
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well thats what i meant by pay to win tbh

slim coral
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damb bro

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the animation team killed these

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that holy knight one is sick asf

iron portal
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Damb indeed

tidal kindle
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Reaper and db

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Ss too

slim coral
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imagine if wow and lost ark came together

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combat and animation wise

slim coral
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I want a futuristic gun class so bad in wow

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wish some of these were in 4k

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so I could see the full animation

covert blaze
slim coral
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gets a little blurry at times from youtubes side

covert blaze
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i might download the game when this wow season dies

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just to look at the pretty animations

heavy flax
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reaper was so fun

prime charm
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anyone in eu unable to access battlenet?

slim coral
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that demonic one @tidal kindle basically makes you sire denathris

tidal kindle
covert blaze
onyx spire
prime charm
heavy nacelle
heavy flax
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i stopped for a couple weeks after brelshaza and just never caught back up lmao. I heard they added solo raids or something

gritty sigil
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are slaughtering strikes and brutal finish additive or multiplicative?

graceful elk
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Fury over Arms for the raid tonight?

velvet obsidian
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Fury over arms always. Why bring one 2h when you can bring two?

undone flower
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Their combat/animation fill so efficiently my dopamine needs

slim coral
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Yeah lost ark owns in combat

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And making abilities feel impactful

winter shoal
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If you're not in a rwf/hof guild, the difference between fury and arms is irrelevant compared to just playing what you're better at and enjoy more

dapper goblet
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madox for yellow

junior gale
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madox for green

forest owl
earnest canyon
gilded prism
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what addon do you guys use for cooldown reminders?

earnest canyon
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u mean like abilities?

gilded prism
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yeah like for maxroll they tell u when to use cds each phase

earnest canyon
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or boss abilities?

ornate gust
earnest canyon
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oh....i use luxthos WA pack

gilded prism
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thx

earnest canyon
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im starting to sound like a paid shill...but people ask so many times

gilded prism
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no not for cooldowns

earnest canyon
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oh WHEN to use

gilded prism
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i meant for timing, like use avatar at 5 min etc

earnest canyon
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sorry

gilded prism
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yea

earnest canyon
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i missed that, my bad

gilded prism
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is that ERT

earnest canyon
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idk what ERT is

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I just do the fights and play around as it depends on the group somewhat

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like when they lust, you want your cds ready

torpid sand
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What in the fuck

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chilly plume
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gotta input the timings/spells manually tho

radiant plank
earnest canyon
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exorsus raid tools?

chilly plume
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I do it for defensives lategame mythic

restive peak
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Shit is all avoidable, now you die on mythic if you suck

radiant plank
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U can also use

molten wing
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so it probably make sense

radiant plank
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liquids TimelineReminder

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for that

earnest canyon
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we use MRT which used to be method raid tools, but since whats his face had a tantrum and left, its now mythic raid tools

chilly plume
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why would you though, paid vs. freebie

earnest canyon
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liquid charge for their addons?

quiet breach
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wait who had a tantrum and left lol

chilly plume
earnest canyon
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that dk...the german guy

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ages ago

radiant plank
earnest canyon
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cant remember his name

sullen dove
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nnoggie?

earnest canyon
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that was it thanks

sullen dove
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did he do sum recently

earnest canyon
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no clue

sullen dove
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ik he crashed out in castle nathria

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manbaby dungeon tools

earnest canyon
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we just use MRT and im not even sure who makes it anymore lmao

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works fine

sullen dove
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method presumably

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but idk

smoky vale
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elo

sullen dove
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was called ert for exorsus now mrt psure for method

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think he's in echo tho

coarse nest
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Ye ert -> mrt

sullen dove
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he worked on like mdt i think

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not mrt

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the dungeon tool thing for planning routes and packs

earnest canyon
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honestly we use MRT as a glorified notepad unless you are a healer.....and each time the RL brings up a map people just draw dicks on it

clever belfry
coarse nest
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This is the way

earnest canyon
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i just dps these days

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no responsibility at all, it is great

clever belfry
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.... thats not the point

earnest canyon
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well the point is I dont need to do that....i assume MRT/ERT helps with that

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i just stand on the right marker

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(sometimes)

azure cargo
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Are servers up?

earnest canyon
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yeah but apparently there is a massive queue backlog to login

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i cant try right now so not sure, but i can see people logged in

clever path
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the game servers? are not up when i checked all grey

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bnet was having issues earlier

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but that seems to have been mostly fixed

earnest canyon
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He didnt say which servers....I assume NA issues cos you get the content update

clever path
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yeah i assumed NA cause thats the only servers that have been down today

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keep forgetting we have different update days

earnest canyon
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honestly, i could understand back in the day when internet was much worse, it was harder to work remote, people had to be on site etc

onyx spire
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ive been on 1 min queue for an hour

earnest canyon
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but i dont know why they dont just all reset at the same time now

earnest canyon
olive wraith
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Donā€™t think NA is up

earnest canyon
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is this RWF thing going to be even harder for EU because the raid difficulty isnt time gated? They used to make up the lost day easier because it was a week of splits

young swan
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the time difference is basically irrelevant because NA servers are usually down for the amount of time diff there is

restive edge
sullen dove
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they also get to watch what liquid does on first few bosses and just kinda blaze through it in half the pulls

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assuming first couple are any amount of pulls besides 1

restive peak
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One there is far more downtime and far more bugs on NA, Two they get to watch the comp/first bunch of strat solves etc

earnest canyon
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im glad there wont be a week of splits as that is boring as hell

restive peak
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If it's anything like last race, they'll be copying right until it ends.

young swan
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generally by the end of the week it'll have evened out, even if NA didnt have giga maintenance

sullen dove
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they copy eachother after a point but yea

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gets into more of the slingshotty effect max describes

young swan
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the only time it gets dicey is the inbetween where NA has the reset and EU doesnt

sullen dove
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one goes to bed ahead and wake up behind as the other slingshots ahead

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and you just wanna be on the right side of that slingshot when boss is in kill range xd

earnest canyon
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yeah the worst thing, and it must feel 100x worse for the raiders, is if they do a nerf/fix while you are asleep and the other side isnt

sullen dove
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yea i dont think its happened yet but the actual worst case scorched earth scenario is if like a boss goes to 2nd reset and is literally like 10% away from a kill, and NA gets reset reclears gets a ton of loot and crests and they just blast boss and EU cant do anything about it

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it coulda almost happened on sark but psure they killed on that monday first week

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cuz a second week's maintenence should be a much more normal length

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prolly an hour or 2

young swan
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yeah pretty sure thats the only time where its actually sus as fuck

earnest canyon
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i always wondered how a tournament realm would go but you effectively remove the "mmo" part from it....but then they do that with MDI and just let them take what gear they want.....but then that is blizz organised etc

sullen dove
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yea tournament realm is boring cuz you just get all the best loot and just fight bosses

clever belfry
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TR would be fucking ass

sullen dove
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unless they dont do that and force you to gear but even still then you cant get help from others

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and its just not as fun in the spirit of what youre doing

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getting world first with the real in game mechanics

earnest canyon
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yeah i like seeing the loot drops....but again, as a raider it must feel bad if you are say rogue number 2, and get all shit loot, so have to give up your spot. But hopefully thyat is reduced to not having to do mindless splits for hours

sullen dove
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yea i mean they just kinda have an idea of what classes they want and if there is a rogue 2 there will be a second rogue that is almost as geared or just is as geared as the first

modest condor
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people wouldnt consider the tournament realm a "real" world first anyway

quiet breach
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is split runs only a thing for guilds pushing world first

clever belfry
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no

sullen dove
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na i mean like plenty of hof guilds do it

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but usually like 1 or 2 splits and not like 30

quiet breach
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whats hof

sullen dove
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hall of fame

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top 200 CE

quiet breach
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what about guilds that barely get cutting edge in the last few weeks

clever belfry
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i sure hope not

sullen dove
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i mean doubt they putting in that effort

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if they do and dont get CE then they should blow up

restive peak
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2 splits over hurrrrrr

modest condor
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your raiders would leave before you can get CE if you're that bad after doing splits

earnest canyon
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i dont see why a guild getting CE that late would do splits....you would be geared as hell just from raiding, and its purely mechanics holding you back

restive peak
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Because the earlier bosses and therefore early vaults are much easier to ensure

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If all 20 of your raiders are geared

radiant plank
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@restive peak can you open the NA servers and stream

quiet breach
radiant plank
restive peak
sullen dove
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yea not that high just like rly high

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maybe 16 is the magic number

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but pmuch its just like 4-5 people a run that are actually meant to get loot that dont overlap with eachother

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and each person prolly has like 3 of those characters

quiet breach
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didnt one xpac blizzard try to remove split runs being a thing?

sullen dove
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and the rest are just altfodder basically to help move the runs along

clever belfry
restive peak
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Heard 13

quiet breach
restive peak
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Through the grapevinessss

quiet breach
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what did they do to try to stop it?

earnest canyon
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I remember when I started raiding and it was 2 nights a week, and I found out some people did 5 nights a week.....thought that was bonkers, but now we have people that do it full time 12+hrs a day and do it on the same class 4-5 times.....

I like wow, but I think that would quickly get fucking boring

sullen dove
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personal loot

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was pretty dogshit i think

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loot is just looted to your character off a boss immediately

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and you cant trade it

earnest canyon
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oh they changed it again? Even in Mythic?

sullen dove
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i think reverted cuz it just pissed the rest of the playerbase off

quiet breach
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i dont see why that would stop splits, that would just make it more important to have a bunch of clones to mitigate rng no?

clever belfry
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i really liked getting some shit off of 2nd boss i wouldnt equip

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but my hpal pal wouldve liked

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but now its just unused

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that was great

sullen dove
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yea but instead of funnelling all loot off a whole raid to 5 people you are hoping that 5 people just get the right loot

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and is way way less deterministic

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just get lucky 4head

coarse nest
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Personal loot is bad hope that never returns

fair fox
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In the form of coins it's fine

coarse nest
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I did like the bonus rolls

unreal onyx
sullen dove
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better farm 10 hours of m+ on every character to make gear tradeable

unreal onyx
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Real

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Thats what the game is about

sullen dove
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dont remember how they counteracted personal loot

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but it prolly made shit suck for them

unreal onyx
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SL personal loot was ass

coarse nest
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They counteracted it by paying people a absurd amount of gold to come be a funnel in the splits if they had a specific item in the slot that was needed at or above the required ilvl

unreal onyx
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Real

modest condor
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they just had 50 characters and whichever one got the best loot was their main

coarse nest
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Iirc legendary item slots helped with that but idr

modest condor
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same as now

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just more rng

quiet breach
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so how many weeks of insane number of splits do these top guilds run

unreal onyx
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Cant wait to buy my 2 myth boes next week for 8 gazillion gold

restive peak
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They do splits the 1st 2 weeks

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Unless they giga smack mythic and kill it in week 1

modest condor
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with heroic week it's usually just week 1 and then whenever they hit a gear wall in week 2

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without heroic week it's like 3-4 days or something

unreal onyx
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Splits until myth clear, no?

sullen dove
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in a heroic week they take their damn time and do as much as they want but in mythic weeks like this its prolly like 3-4 days of heroic into mythic then like a quick 1 day bang on tuesday next week

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cuz they mostly decided their mains that are progging mythic bosses with so they just do runs for each of them to get more gear they need

onyx spire
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anyone still stuck on 1 min in queue?

quiet breach
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is it generally considered a lame raid if it dies in week 1

sullen dove
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not likely they swappin whos playing what class in week 2

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eh i mean maybe but idk

quiet breach
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is the goal to go to week 2 by blizzard?

sullen dove
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sark died week 1 and he was cool, the raid in general was kinda mid i think tho

restive peak
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No these guys are the literal best of the best, if they kill it it'll be very late week 1

unreal onyx
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Unless giga broken spec everyone is pretty set I assume

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What to Play

modest condor
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i think based on historical data their goal is for the race to take around a week or so give or take a few days

unreal onyx
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Sofo flashbacks

modest condor
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a week of mythic that is

restive peak
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The Jailer

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Never again

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PLS

quiet breach
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whats the most disgusting example of class stacking on a boss in the last like, 8 years

modest condor
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uunat with 9 warlocks

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8 or 9

sullen dove
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who played uunat breh

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but yea thats funny

jade cipher
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let me tell you this tho, about ansurek, if you didnt pop and you didnt go trouh protal, you did hc boss in mythic tbh

sullen dove
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wasnt it a lot of shamans too

coarse nest
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Considering idr what uunat is short for

sullen dove
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its not

modest condor
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it's not short for anything

sullen dove
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thats the bosses name

coarse nest
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I must have been too casual

sullen dove
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crucible of the storms in bfa

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lil 2 boss piece of shi

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never did when current i dont think lol

unreal onyx
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Halondrus and jailer best bosses in the last 10 years

restive peak
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Uunat was gowater

coarse nest
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Oh yeah heroic nub in bfa

restive peak
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dogwater*

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LMAO

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Halondrus/Painsmith BIS bosses, come @ me

modest condor
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idk i never did mythic uunat

quiet breach
# modest condor 8 or 9

do the top guilds know before they even get to that boss they need 9 warlocks or do they discover mid prog like "holy shit if we had inffinite warlocks this would be op"

restive peak
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Painsmith is the banger of all bangers

sullen dove
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somebody missed that ooorb dooood

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comooon kill it

earnest canyon
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isnt uunat still the most wipes ever boss?

unreal onyx
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Painsmith actually was pretty good tbf

restive peak
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"Pretty good"

unreal onyx
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Halondrus 9 million nerfs

sullen dove
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ps was cool when spikes werent laggy shit

restive peak
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Yeah and water is pretty good for your body

modest condor
restive peak
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Painsmith was fucking GOATED

modest condor
earnest canyon
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halondrus was my favorite in recent memory at least

quiet breach
modest condor
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but there have been guilds that spent over 1k pulls on tindral

sullen dove
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skyline 1300 tindral wipes poggers

unreal onyx
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We had like 450 on tindral

restive peak
coarse nest
unreal onyx
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30s wipes goated

modest condor
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also worth noting that we dont know the actual pullcount for ragnaros, only that it was "over 500"

sullen dove
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which one

modest condor
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firelands

sullen dove
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surely not molten core clueless

south kayak
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The Cata one

sullen dove
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yea

south kayak
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And it's not even a hard boss lol

unreal onyx
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Back then it was I guess

south kayak
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Pretty sure people in cata just killed him in first week or something

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first day maybe

modest condor
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cata classic it got 1shot

unreal onyx
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Throw a rwf guild with their skillset from cata at release jailer and see what happens

quiet breach
south kayak
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Yeah, the difference between the LK and Ragnaros are huge and people had issues with LK

earnest canyon
south kayak
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so it was no surprise they took so long to kill rangaros

quiet breach
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dude firelands looks cool af

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imo

south kayak
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I assume Deathwing didn't take as much as rangaros?

earnest canyon
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i didnt think so

south kayak
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madness

earnest canyon
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the bosses were fun

modest condor
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deathwing look like 1 night of prog lmao

coarse nest
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You have to understand that raiding was such a brand new thing and not only that it took 40 people to do it

unreal onyx
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The best last myth boss I got CE on was propably sark, fun-wise

coarse nest
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And nothing was min maxed the way it is now

modest condor
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spine took a while but still nowhere near as long as rag

radiant plank
coarse nest
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Totally different world 20 years ago

radiant plank
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he was in on the first kill

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back then

unreal onyx
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Cata was not as sweaty as it is nowadays

clever belfry
radiant plank
south kayak
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lmfao

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I found this

modest condor
unreal onyx
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Too easy design by todays standards

south kayak
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I wonder when was the next jump in diff after ragnaros

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lei shen?

modest condor
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that first boss in heart of fear kekw

south kayak
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the fuck

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really

modest condor
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nah

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i think the boss took like 3 days and a massive nerf to get killed

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i remember following the mmochamp thread and seeing screenshots of the whole room covered in mechanics

unreal onyx
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Just play them then chatting

sullen dove
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What the sonar guy?

modest condor
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yeah

sullen dove
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wack

chilly fractal
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They got rid of the Triforce mechanic in Cata Classic didnā€™t they?

modest condor
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the one that goes to different platforms in the room

south kayak
modest condor
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and the center is covered in clouds or something

south kayak
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second row is boss pull count

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The pre wod ones are n/a

radiant plank
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1224 sepulcher

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pepelaf

south kayak
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look at crucible

unreal onyx
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ToS?

south kayak
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lmfao

modest condor
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2 bosses, almost the highest total pullcount of any raid

unreal onyx
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So the easiest raid we have data on is EN?

sullen dove
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yea I think thatā€™s regarded as a joke of a raid

coarse nest
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Was crucible the helya raid?

earnest canyon
sullen dove
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crucible is uunat breh

earnest canyon
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when we got to last boss, the red dude, he was a pushover

sullen dove
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helya trial of valor

coarse nest
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Oh right I donā€™t pay attention

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Thanks for the info

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Fuck if only I had google readily available at my finger tips

south kayak
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Aberrus is also pretty easy compared

unreal onyx
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The only hard part in aberrus was pre-nerf zskarn and nelth

earnest canyon
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how long have the NA realms been down over when they should have been up?

coarse nest
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What you mean pre nerf zskarn was just stand in safe spot and blast

south kayak
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@modest condor actually ragnaros took almost 2 weeks but the rest of the raid was done in 1 day

coarse nest
modest condor
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was baleroc killed on the first day yes?

arctic salmon
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how much dps is tier worth? dogwater or ok this season?

modest condor
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i remember that one being tough

unreal onyx
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I love the fact that the designer of the zskarn fight used the cheese strat himself

winter shoal
arctic salmon
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ty

fluid cedar
modest condor
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also the best part of ragnaros was that the 2nd guild to kill it took a whole week longer than paragon

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you just dont see that anymore these days

unreal onyx
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Everyone is too min-maxxed

earnest canyon
unreal onyx
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Guilds are basically equal in skill

fluid cedar
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they were scheduled to be back up in 7 minutes

winter shoal
covert blaze
earnest canyon
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wat....so they arent even overtime?

fluid cedar
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not yet

earnest canyon
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ooooooh ok

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thats not so bad then

unreal onyx
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A lot of guilds hit a brick wall on jailer and just chilled after world 1st was done iirc

rare garnet
south kayak
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my guild then killed jailer on last week

earnest canyon
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ok so an extra hour

unreal onyx
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I never killed jailer bc my guild died in sofo

modest condor
south kayak
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doesn't make sense to me how people were that bad

sullen dove
south kayak
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can anyone explain

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how it's possibel to be that bad lol

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as the best guild in the game

sudden tusk
unreal onyx
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Surely the EU release will be flawless and we can raid nm and heroic

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Without major lags

sullen dove
sudden tusk
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armsnox

sullen dove
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Fury felt rly cringe in those keys this may just be an arms tier for me

smoky vale
sullen dove
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Idk am is annoying as it is but mt too feels like the am doesnā€™t mean anything

smoky vale
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slayerish or coloish

sullen dove
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like wowie you get reck/ava ravager gratz but if you donā€™t get thunder blast why play the game

sudden tusk
#

fury didnt feel to obad tbh

sullen dove
#

Why would you play colo in raid

unreal onyx
#

AM in keys fun, AM in raid dog

sullen dove
#

At least am slayer the bs does something

south kayak
#

does it

coarse nest
sullen dove
#

More than a fuckin ravager ye

coarse nest
#

You had to be there to understand

sullen dove
#

But still mid too

#

sadga

rare garnet
#

plus the WA tech has gotten insane, the addon arms race is something to behold

south kayak
#

they need to buff TB

#

and TC

narrow narwhal
#

Wdym, we had this https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/817718-Arms-Warrior-PvE-Guide-Cataclysm

Arms Warrior PvE Guide--Cataclysm

Table of Contents:

I. Introduction to the Arms Warrior Specialization 
	Ia. Why Choose the Arms Warrior Specialization? 
II. Proper Stat Prioritization and Character Construction 
	IIa. Optimal Gear Enchantments 
	IIb. Ideal Gemming 
	IIc. Professions and Benefits
coarse nest
#

Theyā€™re talking vanilla ragnaros skill gap

olive wraith
#

Damn downtime extended

modest condor
#

stay classy mmo champ

clever belfry
#

s word

modest condor
#

sword

clever belfry
#

i use axes

south kayak
#

what ilvl is that

modest condor
#

i dont think mop released last year

undone flower
#

RWL HYPE

south kayak
#

ok but that ilvl is not a thing in cata

#

lol

#

highest ilvl in cata was 416 or something

modest condor
#

then it's probably not talking about cata either

#

now let's think a bit deeper

#

what released last year and has an ilvl of at least 579?

narrow narwhal
#

uh uh

#

shadowlands

south kayak
#

I don't remember

coarse nest
#

Lmao

#

Silm

narrow narwhal
#

wow classic classic plus season of discovery?

south kayak
#

I thought you were screenshotting something from that cata thread

#

I really should read the entire post

#

before posting

south kayak
narrow narwhal
#

I play either MM or BM hunter this patch. I apologize for the betrayal

sinful spoke
#

bye

#

loser

#

lol

south kayak
narrow narwhal
modest condor
#

arranging your ban as we speak

winter shoal
#

Does yellow name not confer ban privileges?

modest condor
#

no

slate tartan
#

It means he loves piss.

modest condor
#

yeah ive upgraded from poop to piss

junior gale
#

Madox for piss

winter shoal
#

What are blue and orange then hmmNod

modest condor
#

colors

winter shoal
#

Big if true

south kayak
#

Blue piss is when you need to go to a doctor

modest condor
#

prove me wrong

calm mantle
#

Did I have to do the undermine quests that were during preseaosn to do raid? I didn't touch the game during preseason

slate tartan
#

Blue balls

junior gale
#

Xan the blue baller

sly swift
#

Hello can someone tell me what's the best gems for slayer (raid) / thane (mm+) ?

junior gale
heavy dock
#

is raging blow higher brio than bloodthirst on thane now? even if u have burst of power? exluding execute phase with VC and 3+ stacks bloodcraze

slim coral
#

@tidal kindle wheres the clips

#

of the winners

tidal kindle
#

They're linked

slim coral
#

oh its embed

tidal kindle
#

In the announce

#

Ye

slim coral
#

I see

tidal kindle
#

Otherwise you'd have a wall of thumbnails

#

And it's kinda

slim coral
#

I prefer the thumbnails but thats ok peepoBlush

smoky vale
narrow narwhal
#

ban check

tidal kindle
#

ban check

oblique trail
#

balls check

slim coral
#

how do you obtain mechanco amplifier again?

earnest canyon
slim coral
#

oh delves

quiet breach
#

dang servers are still down?

hardy bluff
#

first time?

coarse nest
#

Donā€™t worry last minute extendo another hour surely

toxic crest
#

Lucky to get them by 6est

kind bolt
#

did these change prio?

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hardy bluff
#

yea skipper is gone

#

for windsinger

kind bolt
#

kawalski?

#

ok ty

edgy widget
#

skipper seems to take value back at high levels, but at that point you might want a M ring just for the stam

kind bolt
#

so the ring remains bis if you ignore the lack of stamina for fury for the patch?

feral ivy
#

thye up

#

servers are up

earnest canyon
#

have fun NA boys and girls

radiant plank
#

Found Loboz in dornogal

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iron portal
#

Chad talents

fickle bluff
south kayak
marble schooner
#

is Thunderlord>Stormbringer? or is that at like higher ilvl

deep sapphire
#

How much better is AM over RA for Mountain Thane in M+? Is it not too much of a difference that you can pick and choose?

earnest canyon
fading sky
#

In m+ its prob a lot

edgy widget
marble schooner
#

nice first meadery

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south kayak
#

Nice

edgy widget
#

now do it again on +10 for vault

earnest canyon
# edgy widget 2-3%

when you sim, what settings do you use? For dungeon slice thane with RA was 200k more dps than thane with AM for me....but i assume you dont use basic dungeon slice?

edgy widget
#

dungeon slice isn't updated yet, it takes a lot more work to maintain

earnest canyon
#

So what did you sim on?

marble schooner
summer quail
earnest canyon
earnest canyon
#

why is every class so different

summer quail
#

lmao i did not read the entire convo

#

mb

earnest canyon
#

no i read what you said as 5 adds 1 boss

marble schooner
#

I feel like i will be so tilted in like 8 weeks when I havent got trinket from delve

earnest canyon
#

idk why

south kayak
#

How's warriors in raid

warm crag
#

unplayably garbage

forest owl
#

that's the warrior spirit.

lost solar
#

anyone know where the BiS lists are? šŸ™‚

young swan
#

wowhead

earnest canyon
#

usual place

young swan
#

icyveins

#

maxroll

#

take ur pick

warm crag
#

holy hell even noxxic has it

sour frigate
radiant plank
#

warrior owning so hard all the rwf guilds made theirs spec prot ....

sour frigate
#

Balls...

clever belfry
#

why is there a box inside the webstie that i gotta scroll

#

šŸ‘‘ šŸ‘‘ šŸ‘‘ šŸ‘‘ šŸ‘‘

dense elbow
young swan
#

i dont make those

dense elbow
#

But then... how am I supposed to see a true and real tierlist, if it aint yours?

modest condor
#

the real tierlist was the friends we made along the way

earnest canyon
oblique trail
#

@clever belfry balls

sullen dove
#

add to server now

clever belfry
oblique trail
#

I have now done this

south kayak
#

I assume you ignore this if your RB charges are gone?

oblique trail
#

Well yeah you can't RB then

sullen dove
#

yea as many rbs as you have

#

no way bro is yahoo pilled

oblique trail
#

hu bao

south kayak
#

I will will RBs into existence

calm mantle
#

Anyone know if I need to do campaign for raid ? or I can jsut enter?

south kayak
clever belfry
oblique trail
#

I did not want to hear this

hardy vault
#

In craft section, what about 2 craft weapon 675 ? Or i shouldnt do that

sour frigate
#

If u have spare sparks why not

#

And no myth drops

quiet breach
#

is it normal that hekili is at direct odds with what the wowhead guide is saying lol?

#

i was testing it against target dummies

#

its multi target opener is completely different than the wowhead guide one

#

im assuming its just not actually that good and is only useful for very early learning of the spec?

earnest canyon
#

it cant keep up as I said before

#

how is it going to see the future

quiet breach
#

this is the literal opener

#

i mean im glad if its not good

#

if this was actually really good

#

would be kind of cheating imo

iron portal
undone flower
wanton mirage
#

does Larias wrote a guide for season 2 start? anyone know?

undone flower
#

Gio wrote a poem

earnest canyon
#

isnt larias a pokemon?

frank dawn
wanton mirage
#

sad loss for community

sullen dove
#

there are like 5 other guides that do the same thing

#

and even still the guides are not even that pertinent to like almost every player of the game, most of the time just boils down to "dont spend crests early when you could be farming m+ instead and dont craft like a clown" and then means nothing past like the third week of a patch

hardy vault
#

which week can we craft 2h weapon, week 2 or 3 ?

modest condor
#

3

fast crest
dense elbow
#

The Skyhold Tierlist up yet? i don't know if I should play 2h pwarr or sword and board arms. This information being released soon?

uneven pilot
vale dove
frank dawn
plush ice
#

is the spell reflect WA for dungeons updated? when i go to its waigo it just says its being prepared for s2?

vale dove
#

I assume we get 1.5 sparks this week with the quest then another half next week so can craft 2h next week but might be wrong

dry pendant
#

When is reset for EU guys? 5 or 6am?

buoyant salmon
#

šŸ“ˆ

image.png
quiet breach
#

so i can ffill this out over the course of the week and it resets on tuesday? Do you get better gear if u get 8/8 for everything than if you say, do 4/8 for one, 0/8 for another, and 8/8 for one?

fickle cedar
# quiet breach

you basically get more rolls the more spots you fill, the rarity of the item is determined by the difficulty of said content

quiet breach
fickle cedar
quiet breach
fickle cedar
#

generally you want to aim for 8 m10+ although obviously the earlier in the season the harder it is to achieve depending on your setup (grp/guild/pug)

celest sierra
#

wont lie AM feels so weak in keys rn

fickle cedar
#

what key level are you on ? its probably not as good until higher keys i suppose, we lost a lot of burst compared to s1

signal locust
#

Has fury been nerfed yet? It's been a few hours

cunning tusk
#

Maybe soon .. we can only hope

quiet breach
#

@fickle cedar so i need both 100 valorstones and 15 weathered undermine crest to upgrade this piece or just 1 of the 2?

upgrading_gear_question.JPG
celest sierra
fickle cedar
quiet breach
nimble ibex
#

whats the rotation for fury for m plus the same as last season?

fickle cedar
quiet breach
#

i see

ruby badge
#

is there a cheat sheet for single vs multi target for the raid

flat river
shy plaza
#

Is fury AOE bug free atm? I feel like my M+ damage is very poor but my boss damage is great.

frank dawn
#

We have dog shit damage for large pulls. Which many of these dungeons seem to have

#

Target caps btw

#

But yes our boss damage is extremely strong in our cleave spec

earnest canyon
#

Which specs even have fully uncapped aoe now?

frank dawn
#

Fully uncapped, almost none. But lots of specs get square root softcap scaling past 5-8 targets. Where we are largely hard capped

mint moat
#

anyone have some builds out for bosses yet

restive peak
#

I'm beating our lock and mage every key, we're pretty strong still

frank dawn
#

Are you thane gaming

#

I havenā€™t gotten to play anything yet

restive peak
#

Thane for sure big dog

frank dawn
fast galleon
#

anyone know what best spec is right now for warrior in raiding and m+? havent touched warr in a while and wanted to see what is decent

coral dock
#

uh oh... just saw that icy veins put fury warrior as S tier

#

prepare for a nerf

quiet breach
sly crane
#

yes

restive peak
#

Absolutely lol

#

Thane is BIS for consistent AOE

split crane
#

Do any fights want Massacre talented? If so, what do we drop for it?

midnight kite
#

Idk if someone else has done this but I just got a 2h hero track weapon from the ? (easy mode) delve boss

#

It is a gimick weapon tho (no secondarys + damage proc)

balmy shore
#

...did anyone else get 4 warband item drops in raid.......

#

or am i just incredibly lucky.......

frank dawn
burnt stone
#

Hello brothers
Has the amount of rage generated by Fury's auto attack decreased in Season 2?

split crane
hardy shuttle
#

anyone got the KUJO safe WA

solemn adder
#

crazy question but does anyone's guild have an addon or system that works for Masterloot/ Loot Council these days?

flat river
#

ayone got the new spell reflect WA

winter shoal
#

Sadge no r1 for me

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summer quail
solemn adder
wind token
#

Is the fury mplus talents accurate or is the wowhead more so?

sudden river
#

Whenā€™s a good time to replace old 4 set? When 2 set of new tier is achieved?

spare steppe
#

yes

#

as long as its relatively minimal ilvl loss is what the faq says

midnight kite
#

doing big ST every boss feels wierd tbh

eager thorn
#

hows fury looking vs arms for raid

azure tulip
#

Way too early to compare anything rn

#

im enjoying it, dps is decent, just figuring out timings

eager thorn
#

was tryna learn arms earlier but the wowhead info doesnt seem to be all there yet sadga

clever path
#

honestly im sticking with fury unless arms just outstrips us in all forms heavily

winter shoal
smoky vale
#

guys why did we ignore the king himself

eager thorn
smoky vale
#

cowfarmers said something and no one helped...

snow edge
#

Donā€™t know if rage gen changed though; nothing formally announced; would assume no but

#

You can answer him Gio

smoky vale
#

I didnt know the answer

snow edge
smoky vale
pure echo
#

I didn't see an answer for this from someone asking earlier so i'm curious as well, when playing thane is raging blow higher prio than bloodthirst regardless of burst of power stacks, or do we send burst when we have it and if we have bloodcraze then its a happy coincidence?

earnest canyon
sly crane
#

The raid was pretty fun, tons of trash

winter shoal
#

cow farmer is my goat

#

I don't know the answer to their question though

light eagle
#

is normal best in slots better than a heroic track wep? or nah

winter shoal
#

Sim

glad coyote
#

does anybody have a sim list for trinkets?

#

dont see anything on wowhead

#

besides the notes for a couple

pale geyser
celest hearth
celest sierra
#

on normal

heavy flax
#

looks alright to me

celest sierra
#

yeh ? i hope so

winter shoal
#

It'll point out any major mistakes

celest sierra
#

never heard of wowanalyzer O_o

slim grotto
#

wowhead lists these gems and the ring as BiS still, is this updated?

image.png
#

I thought legendary skipper was heavily nerfed

summer quail
#

go windsinger

light grotto
#

I want to use bladestorm regardless of hero talents. For M+, how would thane w/bladestorm compare to slayer w/bladestorm? Iā€™d probably be doing keys that are around +6-+10.

slim grotto
summer quail
#

iirc that's a sim angle

#

where for some the other was better

pine wagon
#

torq's big red button any good for trinks?

edgy widget
#

its pretty mid

#

Eye of Kezan, House of Cards, Reverb Radio are the best
Zee Thug and Lock-n-Stalk are pretty decent
the rest are ok to meh

pine wagon
edgy widget
#

you should just run droptimizer though

#

answers those questions very easily

sage ridge
#

Is fury being ran for most of the raid for AoE?

#

Or have people been going Arms

winter shoal
#

Either

edgy widget
#

I ran Arms for Heroic, Fury for Normal

winter shoal
#

Both are good for different reasons

#

This is what I played

image.png
#

I actually played RA on heroic Rik

edgy widget
#

Up until H Sprocketmonger, I think Fury is probably a little better this week
Arms will pick up in M and after getting tier

winter shoal
#

I'd contend impSS arms is better for cauldron

edgy widget
#

Heroic felt really easy up to Bandit though

winter shoal
#

On both normal and hc

edgy widget
#

Imp SS is better for Cauldron

winter shoal
#

But that's assuming you're equally capable and geared for fury and arms

#

And realistically it doesn't matter for normal

hardy shuttle
#

On 1st boss

sage ridge
#

Yeah I am fully geared for Fury from last season

slim grotto
#

What about for m+?

edgy widget
#

The only heroic fight I didn't really like Arms on was Stix

sage ridge
#

Would problaby be smarter to just stick to Fury until I get some gear for Arms

winter shoal
#

Wait you mean in a single damage amp?

#

Probably not unless you lust there?

#

Not really sure but again it's normal so like

#

You probably kill it before the damage amp starting next week

hardy shuttle
#

Yeah a single one. Mostly asking for heroic eventually

#

Fair

edgy widget
winter shoal
#

For heroic I don't think so

winter shoal
#

On normal I was 100% uptime though

#

Ngl kinda pisscranked

hardy shuttle
#

I was hoping AM would help with the bikes and maybe get two casts off in 1 amp phase

light grotto
#

How much of a difference would it make in keys if I run a thane build w/ bladestorm instead of ravager?

winter shoal
winter shoal
#

500k dps ahead of next highest

light grotto
#

Dang it šŸ˜¦ I HATE Ravager and love bladestorm.

winter shoal
#

(in my raid)

winter shoal
#

And I mean realistically a few % doesn't matter THAT much in keys unless you're pushing like title range stuff

#

Just playing well matters a lot more

#

So if you want to run BS as thane then it's not like you can't time your weekly 10s or whatever

light grotto
#

Iā€™ve been curious about thane, if bladestorm ever was worth taking as thane, but Iā€™ve been enjoying slayer a lot in season 1

winter shoal
#

I mean below very high keys it really doesn't matter that much tbh

#

You can run a sim to compare rav vs bladestorm as thane to see numerically how much of a difference it makes, then decide if that's worth it to you

#

But a couple % damage isn't going to make or break low pug keys - missing kicks, messing up mechanics, etc. will

light grotto
#

How reliable is the dungeon slice sim to compare builds for key? Or is there a better way?

winter shoal
#

I wouldn't sim dungeon slice personally

light grotto
winter shoal
#

Just do regular patchwerk 1t 5m

light grotto
#

Will do. Thank you.

gilded pawn
#

When you are spinning you arenā€™t casting

light grotto
#

Not being able to interrupt during bladestorm as thane would be a significant issue- it does help me with mechanics if I can always interrupt whether or not Iā€™m spinning.

quiet breach
#

how do u get marked for execution stacks?

sour tundra
#

When do we replace our 4 set from season 1? I just got a chest item that would break it

edgy widget
#

sim it

#

4p is pretty bad, but still better than nothing

quiet breach
#

do these pvp talents only work in arena/bgs or something?

pvp_talents_question.JPG
sullen dove
#

uh yea

modest condor
#

melee doing 3% of my damage on singletarget is kinda crazy

#

last expansion it was like 8-10% or something

earnest canyon
#

its nuts that the only diff really between the stances as fury is the massive DR on def stance cos yeah, melee white hits do fuckall it seems

#

"i have 2 giant axes most people need 2 hands to hold one, yet they hit like wet noodles"

sudden tusk
#

who got the macro for whirlwind/tclap

#

so i dont have to swap per spec

oblique trail
#

#showtooltip
/cast [known:436707] Thunder Clap
/cast [known:280392] Whirlwind
/cast Slam

sudden tusk
#

ty

quiet breach
modest condor
#

or is that what you ment by DR

sudden tusk
#

idk why

oblique trail
oblique trail
sudden tusk
#

will try to relog

modest condor
#

maybe you have an accidental space somewhere

earnest canyon
bleak bluff
#

ot seems fury is doing better than arms right now
is it because lack of new tier set bonus?

modest condor
#

arms is only better on pure uncapped aoe and on execute damage

bleak bluff
#

ah ha

modest condor
#

but then there's still a possible gear/skill difference

bleak bluff
#

thanks bro

quiet breach
#

does have 2 sudden death stacks make casting execute always a priority over BT or RB?

young swan
#

yes

rapid forge
#

damn not sure to go for fury or arms s2. got 640 fury for now. Damn you blizz

young swan
#

play both

brittle crow
#

so

#

is the spell reflect essentials WA updated for s2 or not

#

the page is giving me mixed messages

eternal sundial
#

Wouldnt zoning in into one dungeon tell you

brittle crow
#

no

potent thicket
#

=]]]

#

trial and error

quiet breach
elder epoch
#

fury rotation same in execute phase right?

topaz isle
#

Yo a ring dropped in raid that had a +1 luck stat. Can someone tell me what luck does?

slim pollen
#

Increases your chance to get rare drops! Super true and real šŸ‘€

topaz isle
#

Idk about that, but if it's true that's actually kind of cool

#

Not that we need rare drops

undone flower
#

Isnā€™t it the ring with the jump ?

wispy ermine
#

Sorry for the noob question, just came back after a while, do they removed the AOE slow?? the howl

#

I can't find it

clever belfry
clever belfry
#

that's it afaik

ocean hearth
grim gull
#

is radiant power now the best enchant, or ist it a multi vs singletarget thing?

old patio
#

does anyone have the list for the bis items?

undone flower
old patio
glass kelp
#

sorry if the question is not fury related šŸ˜… , but i lost my G-99 mount in undermine, does anyone know how to get one? can't find it in the mounts tab

undone flower
#

Itā€™s not a mount

glass kelp
#

alright, it was on my action bar now it's gone.. figuring out how to get it back

undone flower
#

Maybe in the spell book

glass kelp
#

nah

undone flower
#

Maybe go to Mobber (the dude for attachments)

rocky kindle
glass kelp
rocky kindle
#

It came back (after trying about every usual trick) when i completed a world quest. Might be completly unrelated, but it was the WQ Firework It

undone flower
#

Maybe try a race

rocky kindle
#

Was only for one character, Drive remained active on my alt(s)

#

I had looked on official forums and found this
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/missing-drive-mount/563560

World of Warcraft Forums
Missing DRIVE mount

I played up the quest where i should get my DRIVE car. I decided to skip the tutorial because i already did it on the PTR. So talked to Granny, i clicked on ā€œTake keys and skip tutorialā€ (can be different in the english version). Thats it. Quest was finished and i have no car, no action button to press and nothing in the inventory. Without it ...

#

Try completing an Undermine world quest aswell, see it that helps

sullen cloak
#

Hi guys. I f I am running Mythic + WIth Thane build.

Do i ever whirlwind or is my AOE spam just Thunder Clap?

glass kelp
sullen cloak
#

Ok thank you, just been so used to running a whirlwind build for years wanted to make sure I wasn't doing ti wrong

glass kelp
#

Just add ThunderClap keybind instead of Whirlwind and you're gucci

sullen cloak
#

Ok mate thank you so much!

#

ANd just to be sure, whereas Whirlwind was used to apply the meat cleaver debuff only, Thunder Blast becomes a priority ability

glass kelp
#

it applies the same thing

#

and yes it's a priority

clever path
#

Does our rotation this tier go Rampage > Execute with Marked For Execution > Bloodthirst > RB > Execute?

dense jewel
#

I tried Arms for a bit, but it feels worse to play than Fury, and I really like my Mountain thane, so I'm back!

sour tundra
#

where all the keys at

potent thicket
#

ngl mountain feels great

clever belfry
#

thanussy

grave light
#

So fury is back in the menu ?

calm obsidian
#

we seem pretty close to arms yes

grave light
#

nice šŸ™‚

warped bone
#

Do we wait and craft wep. Or go straight for Dawnthread?

#

Dusk*

warm crag
earnest meteor
#

are we deadge or alive

flat river
#

this trinket any good?

image.png
hardy bluff
#

its not bad i think

glad coyote
#

kinda wish blood mallet was updated with trinkets for us

#

other than whats on wowhead idk whats decent to upgrade at this poit

hollow elk
#

how behind is slayer m+ vs mountain thane ? if at all?

hardy bluff
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and delve trinkets

unreal onyx
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best keys to run rn are propably 7s or 8s right?

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if 10s not in reach

hardy bluff
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8s yea

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7s for gilded

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6s for hero track

unreal onyx
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8s for myth vault I assume?

radiant plank
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10's

unreal onyx
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didn't they lower that to 8s

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or was that crests

hardy bluff
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they didnt change anything related to vault

unreal onyx
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F

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trying for 10s it is then

hardy bluff
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go for 8s till you got gear

pale geyser
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8s over 7s so you get 2/6 hero over 1/6 hero save crests 8)

unreal onyx
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but myth track from vault is at 10

stiff barn
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Aye

undone flower
unreal onyx
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I will be happy if I can get 1 slot of 10s done

undone flower
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I said maybe 2 bc there is always the chance of the worst trinket ever

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But 1 is already perfect since first vault : anything is gucci

vapid tiger
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As Thane in M+, do you cast whirlind? Seems like if you have the buff up to hit AOE there isn't a reason to ya?

signal geyser
cunning tusk
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You do not

quiet geyser
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Technically, there's odd moments when you do/can

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It is rare though

neon creek
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As Thane Thunder clap does everything whirlwind does but better. It should replace WW like Cleave does for Arms.

calm mantle
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Anyones M+ timer not working. Whenever I'm in m+ my timers always like 12:36/0:00

south kayak
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So many bosses are terrible for melee

covert blaze
south kayak
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I mean in dungeon

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Not raid

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I havenā€™t done raid

wheat lantern
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should i make the switch to mountain thane ?

fervent yoke
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donā€™t quote me though, just how it was last season idk if thatā€™s changed

wheat lantern
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Ill stick with slayer for chill runs for now and invest later when i get more gear, im excited to see how my 2 piece bonus helps

near wing
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I didnā€™t notice a difference with 2 piece

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Not to be a downer

wheat lantern
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really ? with 10 stacks 20% rampage damage, guess its RNG related

near wing
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Yea I just didnā€™t notice any change in dps. Was pretty surprised

wheat lantern
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F

near wing
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Maybe I just played worse after I got 2 pieces lol

south kayak
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Itā€™s trash

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The entire fury set

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Is one of the worst dps sets

wheat lantern
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blizz hates us

near wing
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So you know how weā€™re supposed to blindly trust sims? I have a weird situation. I got champion track neck with crit and vers, and simmed it against my current 636 crafted neck with mastery and haste. The sims are saying that at max rank (658 I believe?) the crafted 636 neck is still an 18k dps increase. That just feels completely wrong

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Is this just because base stats for neck are only stam, and mastery is just that important?

fresh mango
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Same for my 652 wep being worse than claymore 636

near wing
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But is that because of ascension?

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Is there a way to tell if the code is picking up the right stats for the neck? I just cannot believe a neck thatā€™s 22 ilvl higher is an 18k dps loss

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Is it too soon in the patch to 100% trust the sim?