fury

[dense fulcrum]

ye sometime it happened at queen that they dragged her a bit more than usual after the pull in pug

and i had somehow not enough rage doing that, but it was like 1 pull out of 10

[mint moat]

when you get the reset of RB is it fine to go double RB into BT for reckless abandon

[winter shoal]

Archi I've noticed that right-clicking the boss before charge also helps generate the rage "faster" such that I can ramp on the first global with AM. Not sure if that's real and there's a delay with starting the autoattack on charge otherwise, could just be placebo

RB or CB

[mint moat]

RB

i kno AM wants BT>RB

[winter shoal]

That is incorrect

[mint moat]

typically

[winter shoal]

And the answer for RB is "sometimes"

[mint moat]

what wowhead says?

[edgy widget]

just placebo, there will always be some variance though cause AAs get miss/dodged/parried/whatever

[winter shoal]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps#rotation-2

[edgy widget]

man that rotation needs jesus

[winter shoal]

Do you know how much worse it is to ignore BF/SS/BC?

[edgy widget]

all of them?

[winter shoal]

Idk maybe not BC

[edgy widget]

idk probably... ballpark 5% combined?

[hardy shuttle]

I think silm simmed the SS tracking and said it was like 0.4% or something

[winter shoal]

I have all of it baked into weakauras that track things for me anyways so I don't have to think, I just press the button that glows

[mint moat]

Thunder Blast to spend any existing stacks immediately before using Avatar
Recklessness
Avatar simultaneously with Recklessness
Ravager
Rampage if Enrage is not active
Thunder Blast while Enraged
Thunder Clap to reapply the Whirlwind buff when facing multiple targets
Thunderous Roar while Enraged
Rampage with >100 rage
Rampage
Bloodthirst with 3+ stacks of Bloodcraze or Vicious Contempt talented while the target is <35% health
Raging Blow
Bloodthirst
Execute
Rampage
Thunder Clap as a filler

[edgy widget]

Yeah I already cut down some of them cause several were either <1%s or things that only happened once per iteration

[mint moat]

when you do AM/Rava

TRoar

is has BT over RB

[winter shoal]

This is for thane, I thought you meant slayer. But the RB vs BT rules should be the same regardless, BT is above RB with the bloodcraze/VC conditions, but RB is better otherwise. Hence my "sometimes" previously

[mint moat]

so its a min max

[winter shoal]

If you have 0 bloodcraze stacks and 2 RB charges, and the target isn't below 35%, you'd RB > RB (and potentially RB a third time if you get a reset, like you mentioned)

Assuming you stay enraged and all that as well

If you have 2 bloodcraze stacks, you'd RB > BT > RB

If you have 3 bloodcraze stacks, you'd BT > RB > RB

[next ruin]

fury hasnt been more chill since im using banezi's prio

[dense fulcrum]

ngl i tried arms but fury is just more fun

[gleaming siren]

Banezi the anime god's prio

[winter shoal]

@mint moat I don't think the BT tracker weakaura is on the wowhead guide anymore, but I have all the bloodcraze/VC logic built into one for myself. It should be more or less updated for the new conditions in 11.1 but I might still tweak it more later. Basically when I need filler buttons between rampage, I will RB until the BT button glows, in which case I'll BT. It also goes kaching when your crit chance is above 85% but that's not super important
https://wago.io/ObHDOFhMm

[covert blaze]

banezi DoI ovinax tech very good

[winter shoal]

Any loremasters

[hardy shuttle]

https://wago.io/Xe_k-ljk_

I made this one just for SS too. I really only look at it when BS is coming up though

[winter shoal]

I just have SS stack count over top of my rampage, along with reck duration

I'm thinking about taking it off though

Because really it boils down to "after BS is finished, RB until enrage is about to end"

The chances you actually make it to 4 SS stacks are insanely low anyways and it's not like it really matters even if you do

[hardy shuttle]

Yeah I usually do like ramp, rb, rb, bs, rb, rb, ramp. With a 3rd afterwards if I get a reset

[winter shoal]

With this you run the risk of dropping enrage during BS

which is a much bigger deal than getting an extra 2 SS stacks on your BF ramp

At least with 1/2 DE in the aoe spec

[hardy shuttle]

So far on like hours on the dummies the unhinged gods have been in my favor

[winter shoal]

With frenzied enrage and 1/2 DE?

Seems sus

[hardy shuttle]

I believe so. But might have to double check. Would it be a point in UF instead of 2/2? Can't remember the whole tree at work

[winter shoal]

I also don't remember because I know I changed the trees slightly for myself

One of them was 0/2 DE and that felt like shit

I think it was AM thane

I know I took 1/2 DE over AJ in the RA aoe slayer spec

[hardy shuttle]

I want to say I'm running 2/2 for mastery and haste

[winter shoal]

This is what wowhead has for raid aoe build so it drops points in VC instead of DE/AJ

I'd have to sim that for myself, I feel like VC very powerful talent

[mint moat]

I actually just dled it before i saw this

[winter shoal]

Did you download the one from DF s2?

Mine was based on that one but added a bunch of stuff

Also at some point I think the bloodcraze crit chance per stack changed

[mint moat]

just whatever was on wago

https://wago.io/ObHDOFhMm

ive never really tracked BC

to min max it

[winter shoal]

I literally just uploaded that like 10 minutes ago

[mint moat]

so i was curious

in situations where BT wasnt up

[winter shoal]

I mean the good news is it does all the thinking of tracking it for you

[mint moat]

i'd go double DB

[hardy shuttle]

i was talking about ST slayer. so i had 2/2 DE yeah

[mint moat]

RB*

[winter shoal]

You don't really need to "track" anything, you just press BT when it says so

[hardy shuttle]

in MT i havent really spent time on dummies yet tbh

[mint moat]

i just dont really like AM honestly

feel like high keys is all big pull dependent

i know its better for sustain but if your trying to do old 15+s

your gonna need to do big pulls

[winter shoal]

I'm sorry to tell you that the same RB vs BT logic applies for RA then

[winter shoal]

I'm also sorry to tell you that if you're doing big pulls, arms is probably better for that use case

[mint moat]

was referring to AM mostly

[mint moat]

I've tried demo i need more practice

[gritty sigil]

reading thru wowhead for fury war, theres no way this is accurate right?

[winter shoal]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uN8yrAZ5LAkXB2vbMdYUAN
Seems like no VC very slightly better for AM, a decent bit worse for RA with my current gear

The %s are relative to AM Thane

[hardy shuttle]

but feelycraft tells me it is miserable

[winter shoal]

To not have VC?

Or to have 1/2 DE

The no-VC ones drop VC for 2/2 DE and AJ

[hardy shuttle]

i misread

[hardy shuttle]

so this is just the DF ka ching one right? BT not off number of stacks, just off 95+% crit?

[compact knot]

no its not

its showing 100k dps

[young swan]

bloodmallet is borked

[winter shoal]

It's based on the DF s2 kaching one yes. It still kachings at 85+% crit chance, but it glows based on BC/VC

[compact knot]

yeah, bloodmallet needs to update

[winter shoal]

Many BC stacks = glow = I push BT

[compact knot]

so much is bugged on bloodmallet right now a rank 1 flask of tempered mastery is a -0.03% dps increase, dont use that site for anything for like 2 weeks

rank 2 tempered potion > rank 3 tempered potion

xdd

[hardy shuttle]

🫡 just gonna change the kaching. because thats my execute currently

[winter shoal]

Should just be able to remove the sound on the first condition

[tender aspen]

based on the way the priority is set up, if we're on our last gcd of enrage and we're between 80 and 100 rage, we prioritize RB/BT and then do a not-enraged rampage after? rampage isnt important to be enraged?

[hardy shuttle]

yeah i got it. thank you

[winter shoal]

Correct, rampage enrages you before it does its damage

[tender aspen]

oh neat

[winter shoal]

Same goes for OF with titanic rage, but does NOT when BT procs an enrage

[tender aspen]

noted, thats good QoL. though it seems like odyns fury isnt in the builds on wowhead. are there times where it could be used this season?

[gritty sigil]

i hope so. i love OF

[winter shoal]

Nah OF is kinda stinky rn

I mean you can play it for sure

It's just probably not "optimal" in most cases

[gritty sigil]

i was trying to figure earlier why it tells us to take thunderous roar > champions spear for ST build

[winter shoal]

I was just saying from a conceptual standpoint, the same principle applies for OF with titanic

[gritty sigil]

even tho champion spear does more dmg, and with its buff would also generate more fury

[winter shoal]

Roar does more dam than spear

And their capstones are all weak enough that we won't take them anyways

[gritty sigil]

? my ingame stuff had champion doing more

weird

[winter shoal]

Even including the roar dot?

[gritty sigil]

ye

it was like 5 or 10% more dmg

[winter shoal]

Hmm seems sus

Roar should be more without capstones included

[gritty sigil]

interesting. ill have to recheck but yeah it was showing more for my tooltip on champ

wonder if i had a non permanent buff that was doing that

[tender aspen]

are any of the buffs/debuffs in this list not necessary to track? setting up a ui now. they're all mentioned in the rotation but i'm wondering if some of them kind of take care of themselves and don't need a weakaura tracking them

[oblique trail]

Slaughtering Strikes, Vicious Contempt and arguably Bloodcraze aren't necessary to track

Brutal Finish as well

[winter shoal]

Yeah I combine a lot of those together so I'm not really "adding" tracking of anything

[oblique trail]

Brutal Finish and Slaughtering Strikes are mentioned together as an optimisation, however the gain is so minute that I personally don't really recommend playing around it

[tender aspen]

but you would still have to keep their existence in mind for gameplay right? like recognizing that you should dump RB after bladestorm even if theres no WA tracking stacks

[winter shoal]

Like I have MFE/SD/AJ all tracked alongside exe

In one WA

[covert blaze]

how much of a loss to ignore

[winter shoal]

I don't track BF because I mean realistically you BS every 30s or whatever and you just remember to press RB after

[oblique trail]

Assuming I removed the appropriate line and didn't overlook anything, with AM it was a 0.4%~ loss to ignore it

[winter shoal]

actions.slayer+=/raging_blow,if=buff.brutal_finish.up&buff.slaughtering_strikes.stack<5&(!debuff.champions_might.up|debuff.champions_might.up&debuff.champions_might.remains>gcd)

This one?

[oblique trail]

I personally will just play without it in mind, especially with AM, and just rampage instantly, as you never know on a practical basis whether you really need said rampage immediately to hit a CD timing

[oblique trail]

Yes

[tender aspen]

this sounds interesting, what does it look like? the three stack counts and timers side by side?

[winter shoal]

https://wago.io/ZTGWfik5P

It doesn't display MFE stack count because that's mostly irrelevant unless it's 3

It shows timers for AJ and SD, glows when it's time to press exe with a different color according to the reasoning (AJ gonna expire, SD gonna expire, 3x MFE)

[feral ivy]

ooo this is new

[oblique trail]

Almost certain that has to do with the new random roll ring

[tender aspen]

this is great tyvm, opens up a lot of space on my ui to track other stuff

[winter shoal]

0.7% for me to remove that line in AM single target spec

Baseline 1.913 https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uN8yrAZ5LAkXB2vbMdYUAN
Removed 1.898
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sY99pDRE7BEnP5EmTzxMdy

[tender aspen]

small monitor struggles

[oblique trail]

I had a technical bis setup with the new set bonus

Which might or might not change it

[winter shoal]

Oh true

[feral ivy]

roll ring? now gotta google that

[oblique trail]

Yes from the one armed bandit

It's a ring that drops with 2 random stats, one being high the other low

[winter shoal]

It's almost 0 difference for RA which makes sense because it really only applies to every other BS

[feral ivy]

this one?

[oblique trail]

Correct

[feral ivy]

and i take it we are doing mastery/haste not haste/mastery

[oblique trail]

Shrug

Either one will be good

Depends on your gear which one will be the best for you

But you can't go wrong with either

[restive peak]

This is well within the margin of RNG and the reality of the extra ramp or two giving you an extra cdr cooldown usage on a fight, I’d say you can choose to ignore it if you find yourself making mistakes due to cognitive overload or choose to focus if you really enjoy complexity and optimization, and you’ll barely notice on the chart either way

[winter shoal]

Yeah I wouldn't worry about it for the average person, but also it basically boils down to "RB after BS while you're still enraged" which isn't a big deal

[oblique trail]

I have seen a lot of people struggle with far simpler things playing warrior

[restive peak]

That is definitely a fact lol

[winter shoal]

Yeah I think for people that are already comfortable with fury, it's a small change that'll just take some muscle memory buildup

I wouldn't worry about it at all for someone who's newer or messing up basic stuff

[oblique trail]

Personally I will always recommend playing the simplest version of a spec that still yields nearly the same results, if it means the ease of play becomes a lot easier for the average person

Even if I wouldn't find said optimisations difficult

[winter shoal]

Big agree

The no-essence-break havoc build is so sick

[oblique trail]

They have the option there if they want to try and optimise it later after they actually have the core rotation down well

Haven't played Havoc since S3/4 of DF, but no-mover seemed quite popular as well

[next ruin]

with new build almost no reason to go no mover

[oblique trail]

Even if it however was more than just "play a simpler version for little loss"

[next ruin]

but i play it casually so idk

[tender aspen]

hi im the new person who should ignore the optimizations back with another new person question. im also learning arms and im switching between the specs while i work on my ui and its really annoying that my weapons dont update to reflect the spec switch. do we have to drag the 2nd weapon in/out of our bag every time?

[oblique trail]

Yes, but you can make gear setups with default Blizzui, that updates based on the spec

[tender aspen]

i dont think ive ever used that feature before but i will learn it ty

[next ruin]

banezi have you looked up the raid fights as of now ?

[oblique trail]

Nope, going over them tomorrow with my guild

[winter shoal]

Just make sure you switch gear before switching specs, since arms can't dual wield it can get a little funky

[oblique trail]

All I know so far is that most of them, at least the relevant later ones that we know of, are predominantly ST/2target

[next ruin]

youre going as fury or arms ?

[oblique trail]

I will change spec as needed, if one is better than the other for the fight

But I'll also prog later bosses earlier than the average person likely

If they are equal however, I'll just go Fury

[next ruin]

i guess just wait and ask you what you think is good for each boss

[oblique trail]

Fury is generally easier to live as (not that Arms isn't tanky) and it's a lot simpler without caring about mechanics

[winter shoal]

You going RA or AM Banezi

[next ruin]

i feel like arms is even dumber with st raid build

[sly bobcat]

soooooo... why is revvees builds slightly diff than guide builds? specs into unbridled ferocity and critical thonk instead of deft expertise... also doesnt take two roar talents

[winter shoal]

I'm thinking I go AM for week 1/2 and just send on cd

[oblique trail]

I want to go RA because I hate AM 👍

[winter shoal]

Fuck fight tiemrs

[sly bobcat]

revvees going full crit boii

[winter shoal]

Based but also wrong

[winter shoal]

Revvez does his own cooking

[sly bobcat]

in revvez i trust

we 5 target giga critter boiis now

[oblique trail]

Gonna be honest chief you're prob better off just looking at what actually good players do, I often just copy whatever the very top warriors do and occasionally make small changes

[winter shoal]

Archi also adapts things a bit to make them more digestible for the average player (like Banezi was saying with talents/rotation earlier)

[oblique trail]

I heavily overcooked my prep for Silken Court for example, but ended up just doing some really straight forward CD timings

[winter shoal]

Like taking 0/2 DE might be mathematically correct in some cases, but it feels like shit and you'll end up doing worse damage if you misplay your rampages and drop enrage from time to time

[winter shoal]

Me cooking a council build in s3 just to end up playing imp ss arms anyways

[oblique trail]

I rewatched Revves' and Boomie's PoV for Silken Court multiple times and wrote down their CD usage by hand, and made MRT personal notes for it too

[next ruin]

the only thing i struggle with rn is, i wanna commit with arms so i can play m+ on the side, but since its my first time mythic raiding since legion, i wanna be safe and go fury. first world problems iguess

[oblique trail]

Just to scrap it by the time I actually had kill night

[oblique trail]

I don't know what level you're gonna be playing at, but unless you're at the very top, you can make do with either spec as long as you're actually somewhat competent at the spec

There are some exceptions of course, like on Broodtwister where playing Arms early-ish was arguably just trolling, if your raid needed the AoE damage

Because of how good Fury was at taking care of that particular job

[clever belfry]

while also doing acceptable boss dam*

it was just

good

[prime summit]

anyone have a WA to track whirlwind like this? its the middle blue bar(s)

[feral ivy]

im trying to get this but its telling me this even though everything i have is downloaded/up to date

[smoky vale]

what was main reason? just having +5-10 ilvl across raid and pushing faster

[next ruin]

Yes I guess the real answer would be me trying both specs in a real life scenario and just go for the flow. As you said we're not serious enough for it to matter, and if it's fury I'll just play arms with fury gear I guess

[smoky vale]

steal it from luxthos

[quiet breach]

I use luxathos WA, he has a blue whirlwind bar like that except thicker and easier to see

[prime summit]

oh hell yeah

ty

[oblique trail]

Me being bad at Arms, Thane being buffed, Fury being a lot more simple to play and less thought put into execution

[quiet breach]

https://wago.io/LuxthosWarriorWarWithin

[next ruin]

My only problem with arms in long st fights, is how short cs cd really is, Im just not paying enough attention lol

[marble pilot]

My problem with arms is it isnt fury

[oblique trail]

This is just a case of playing it more

[earnest canyon]

This....I tried it, but it doesnt flow the same to my monkey brain

[limber oar]

is there a concensus on fury vs arms for the raid so far? i played fury for the entirety on s1 and did some arms practice towards the end cause i heard arms was simming better

[junior gale]

it doesnt matter secondary stats barely matter just have different rings and neck thats all you need

[marble pilot]

I havnt tried arms since MoP. I just like clicking the shiny buttons and not caring about rotations.

[smoky vale]

(playing fury with 30% crit and 20% mastery is not fun)

[prime summit]

ty

[marble pilot]

Sometimes its rampage as much as you can. Sometimes its shiny in between rampages. Sometimes just click what you can.

None of this cd buff window stuff

[junior gale]

literally change your rings and neck and it goes to 15% crit and 50% mastery

[smoky vale]

my 2nd warrior only had arms gear

[feral ivy]

do i have to wait for tomorrow to download this or am i missing something?

[next ruin]

And with sirens circlet we only need 1 ring

[smoky vale]

as in i crafted arms gear and stopped playing it

[junior gale]

play da game more idk

[smoky vale]

nah hes 636

[next ruin]

Reminds me that my vers/haste ring (639) sims more than my 636 crafted haste/mastery ring

Nothing ever happens, stats really are cosmetic

[junior gale]

good thing tbh

I rather play a spec that likes all stats than a spec that hates a certain stat

[oak rain]

Hey guys, a little question if anyone has the answer to. Do you guys wait to max bloodcraze stacks before hitting bloodthirst? or just send bloodthirst

[covert blaze]

noob

[quiet breach]

I thought crit was xdddd tier for fury

[next ruin]

I hope it is the same for arms so I can just switch between them with max ilvl and haste enchants

[junior gale]

its not

[smoky vale]

its just worse than mastery

[junior gale]

at some point your gonna want crit

[smoky vale]

i just only had crit and basically minimum mastery

[quiet breach]

does arms have an xdddd tier stat?

[junior gale]

no

[smoky vale]

no

[junior gale]

all warrior specs like all stats

makes it very easy to swap and play whenever you want

[quiet breach]

so just, equip highest ilvl

xd

[next ruin]

I stressed over nothing

[quiet breach]

for all specs?

[smoky vale]

i would say going arms > fury is worse than going fury > arms

with same gear

but ilvl is ilvl

[junior gale]

there will be stats you prio right for each spec but at some point diminishing returns kick in and you start to want to want more of the others

[next ruin]

And for someone that plays both, do you enchant haste, or same thing, cosmetic doesn't really matter

[smoky vale]

whichever one im playing more

[quiet breach]

I'm ngl I cba to nerd over gear I think I will just equip highest ilvl :pepega:

[junior gale]

even easier

just top gear sim

turn brain off

Trust robot with any and all gear questions

[quiet breach]

y'all, did HEKILI and similar add-ons only come about because of advancements in ai?

or did it exist before the AI boom

[young swan]

it existed before

[quiet breach]

I don't remember rotation helpers existing when I played in WoD or legion

[earnest canyon]

it doesnt use AI

its just some dumb addon that is usually behind what you should be pressing, dependent on class

[next ruin]

Okay I have a last question and I guess I'll be ready for raid
If lust is on pull, but adds spawn X seconds after the pull. Within which values of X do you hold cd's for adds?

I never got this one

[next ruin]

There was some sort of one button rotation macro

[next ruin]

There was some sort of one button rotation macro

[quiet breach]

is this one of those turbo nerd guild tests u have to take before joining

[next ruin]

No I barely raided, and when I used cd on pull then add spawned I felt stupid. So sometimes I holded but felt stupid also

[remote bobcat]

depends on the amount of turbo aoe bursters in your guild, how long the adds survive and how many adds there are. its a case by case basis.

[steel shadow]

Will the coffer keys I get from this week get reset tommorow?

or are they considered season 2 keys

[feral ivy]

its s2 keys

everything u have now wont reset

[next ruin]

Use on pull and then cd's on cd, if struggle killing adds then keep cd's for set add
Repeat

Thanks a lot everyone for your time lol

[tender aspen]

in MT AoE if i find myself with rampage available, no enrage, thunder blast available, no whirlwind stacks whats the order of operations

or is the answer dont be in that situation

[south kayak]

You can whirlwind

I wouldn’t send an unenraged TB

[next ruin]

Thinking outside the box fr

[winter shoal]

rampage for enrage then thunder blast

I wouldn't worry about whirlwinding to get stacks for your rampage personally

But yeah the answer is mostly don't be in that situationm

[limber oar]

tblast is uncapped dmg (reduced beyond 5 targets but still uncapped), a whirlwind rampage hits 5 targets at most. tblast while enraged also fks hard and for free

but i agree with the above, keep enrage at 100% uptime or as close to and youll never be in that position

[next pecan]

maybe dumb question but can you essentially remove whirlwind from bars if playing MT AoE

[winter shoal]

Yeah basically

I use this macro which swaps between slam/ww/tc based on my talents

#showtooltip
/cast [known:436707,spec:2] Thunder Clap 
/cast [known:280392,spec:2] Whirlwind
/cast [spec:2] Slam

[next pecan]

I was going to use that macro until i found my shared action bars actually working across talent specs as of 11.1

so when changing talent trees the bars change with the tree which is nice

[next ruin]

Yes

But sometimes you can still technically press ww bcos of downtime or the situation above, although if you really don't care it doesn't matter

[next pecan]

I've honestly never found myself without a higher prio button to press, unsure if i just had a ridiculous amount of haste or something atm

[next ruin]

In key it happens, sometimes everything is on cd and you didn't get any reset / not enough rage to rampage, you must ww. Very rare though

[next pecan]

are the secondary stat softcaps from shadowlands still in affect?

i.e 30% for haste

[jade cipher]

my ret pala is doing more damage on 5 target dummies than my fury

kinda sad

[olive wraith]

No

[fickle bluff]

Me when I lie

[next pecan]

Where can i find the updated information @olive wraith

[fickle bluff]

Yes they still exist but they might as well not do, you don't think about them at all

[next pecan]

Fury go brrrrr?

Understood

[olive wraith]

We just sim

Listen to robot

[next pecan]

oh true

tyty

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/die-spongebob-meme-gif-754776035690869996

[next ruin]

Isn't divine hammer buggued currently?

[spare steppe]

in multiple ways yeah

[snow edge]

It was; a hot fix has already been pushed though apparently

[tender aspen]

i think its implied by the ordering but i just want to confirm that this means i would overcap rage to dump RB after a bladestorm?

[frank dawn]

yeah you basically spam rb until you run out of charges, drop enrage, or hit 5 stacks

with brutal finish up*

[covert blaze]

great

burn in hell piece of shit trinket

[slim coral]

I’ve never wanted to be more free from a trinket

I honestly can’t think of a worse trinket during my time playing wow

[frank dawn]

my casual ass never using it because I didn't have to 👍

[modest condor]

my casual ass never using it because i didnt raid 👍

[sullen dove]

ovi egg from this season just more annoying

[modest condor]

also i can think of a couple of trinkets that are at least as annoying

[sullen dove]

oh no have to do 1 inconvenient thing for 3 seconds vs have to play the entire fight inconvenienced

[modest condor]

the football one from academy

or the dance one from castle nathria

[sullen dove]

danceo ne just sucked

ball was at least funny

[summer quail]

Did you play shadowlands nathria? There was the dance trinket from council

[sullen dove]

just didnt do damage

[slim coral]

I don’t recall the dance trinket being BiS for warrior

[summer quail]

Tru. Was still decent tho

[slim coral]

I was forced to run transmitter tho

[covert blaze]

pretty sure those weren't bis for most melee specs

[slim coral]

Didn’t really have a choice

[smoky vale]

@compact knot which mage spec has more execute fire or arcane

[restive pewter]

12% on ansurek road to world last

pray for silent omen

[compact knot]

arcane

not close

abar does 100% more damage in execute

[smoky vale]

zz

guess i have to relearn the barrage conditions

[covert blaze]

me when arcane bombardment

[smoky vale]

surely it wont be bad if i have fire gear for arcane

[final birch]

highest simming arcane spec

unless its outdated

doesnt really look that execute-y

[smoky vale]

i think more so the burst windows

also aint no way they are playing spell slinger

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

hi myrtu

[final birch]

its like 15-20% more than outside of execute on non bl burst window

idk what theyre playing

I just saw its simming the highest (although marginally higher than other arcane spec)

other one looks like it has stronger execute yes

[smoky vale]

does doing delves give crests rn

[solemn widget]

what is fury off tier piece this tier?

[smoky vale]

the one that you are missing

[solemn widget]

F

[smoky vale]

it would just be craft what you are missing from mythic tier

and then wahtever sims highest

bis is only relative

[solemn widget]

most classes have a meta off tier token thats bis was my questions i get the idea of simming when it comes just trying to plan loot with guild.

[oblique trail]

Maximise tier over technical bis, because you very rarely have the option to really plan that out anyway the first few weeks

And you're likely gonna be split on normal and HC tier more so than mythic, which means it'll be replaced regardless

[left perch]

myrtblast season 2?

[slim coral]

we are so back

[covert blaze]

chores made easier love to see it

[modest condor]

even more nerfs

[sour frigate]

How can i stand this

[indigo arch]

Just need "Last minute buffs to RA and Odyn and across the board fury buffs, PS: pls don't uninstall due to s1 we're sorry"

and we're good

[left perch]

they actually announced a full rework for fury before s2 starts

We’re so back

[hardy shuttle]

Is there a new reflect spreadsheet?

[left perch]

kidding, they just realized enhance needs nerfed (they didn’t)

[indigo arch]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQQCkBEkOadsvO4sTphB1RwzC6Z_3kq00IFaBrCk5Eagz2Jeoox7D7Rk3XwXMINbh4lUg9Vr-3RgoB2/pubhtml

it's in the dps faq btw

[hardy shuttle]

Ty

[indigo arch]

Speaking of reflect, I need to see if there is an s2 version of the reflect WA

Ah, it's being worked on for s2, neat

[dapper goblet]

Madox for yellow

[quiet breach]

yo, so i have a few shield abilities, shield slam and shield block. what do i use these abilities for? do i need to get a decent shield?

[modest condor]

you look at them in your spellbook and wonder why blizzard gave them to you

and no you dont need a shield

[quiet breach]

so i will never use them in any situation in mythic+ or raids

?

[modest condor]

no

[quiet breach]

ok ty

[edgy widget]

Blizzard revamped the leveling process a few years ago, giving players more abilities to use from L1-10, and as a result they became universal abilities available to all warriors rather than the respective specializations they previously belonged to

[oblique thistle]

finally got around to trying out new talents... AM fun 🙂

[edgy widget]

so Arms & Fury got access to Shield Block/Slam, Prot got Whirlwind, and so on, despite not actually having any reason to ever use them beyond L10

[sage ridge]

When do you prioritize BT over RB in aoe?

5+ targets?

[winter shoal]

As thane it's 6+ targets

As slayer I think it's just the regular BT vs RB logic based on bloodcraze stacks

And VC

[sinful spoke]

are there still knockbacks in the first room of the priory

shit was aids on heroic

[modest condor]

bruh what is this raid tuning

Screwed! damage increased by 400%

how far off were they

that whole boss just had its damage increased by like 100%

[sinful spoke]

i blame max and the poddyc

[modest condor]

damnit max

[junior gale]

Sprocket was way off

[slim coral]

Yeah I’ll be going fury for that fight

On testing that intermission already fucked

And they buffed it by 50 percent oh hell nah

[summer quail]

really hope this does not mean it causes a wipe or the 2 players to die. i don't know how much it did on ptr

[slim coral]

It did like no damage

So 50 percent isn’t much

[summer quail]

sweet

[winter shoal]

How was the uptime Baze

Crit said it looked a little sketchy because of the area denial

[quiet breach]

finished the campaign just in time to get my weekly cache before the reset, got a 626 ilvl trinket that I can't even use yet cuz I'm not max level

does ur weekly cache scale up forever as your character gets stronger?

[dense elbow]

Scales up to a point. Not to the best gear possible (usually)

HC track is the normal point it ends up at

[quiet breach]

what is HC track

I seen someone say mythic track before

like the ilvl of stuff that drops in HC raids?

[dense elbow]

Basically, yep

[summer quail]

mythic track is the track above what drops in HC raids. you get heroic track from weekly cache

[slim coral]

Was fine

Only time you really had downtime was intermission but there should be gates

[quiet breach]

so I should wait till the end of the week before opening my next cache to get the highest ilvl item possible?

[sinful spoke]

How long is the clash between kong and godzilla

[covert coyote]

20 secs ithink

[soft cedar]

can anyone give me a tldr of what the best performing builds are so far, is it slayer across the board again? or is it slayer for raid and thane for m+

[analog magnet]

how did crazed berzerker from wod stack up vs titans grip

[hardy bluff]

yea nothing really changed there

[soft cedar]

noice

[quiet breach]

what's VC

[hardy bluff]

Vicious contempt

Give your bloodthirst extra dam in execute

[final birch]

id never play arcane unless its giga meta

i.e. high overall spec in meta comp (current shaman dfs priest/mage depending on the season)

also idk how true is this but I heard arcane stinks in keys bc to do big dam u gotta do perfect set up every single time but im just going off from what ive been told

[eternal sundial]

I mean perfect setup historically has been 6 GCD sequence u learn by heart

Not mega challenging ngl

It's more that u get it off right while shits happening

Which ice floes enables

[torpid sand]

RCP with the good stuff god bless

[dapper goblet]

prednak

[fleet sorrel]

@vague reef

lolpig

[sullen dove]

that was the 2 splits for nw

before having to reload cuz of bug

someone can put em together if they want

get real overall

[torpid sand]

has this guy ever played any melee DPS

[eternal sundial]

Wonderful

[final birch]

nothing is challenging in this game on its own

[eternal sundial]

[clever belfry]

@young swan blue in skyhold

[covert blaze]

swordish yellow

[clever belfry]

swordfish

⚔️ 🐟

[covert blaze]

Xantaga 闲话 long talker 长篇大论 buff axe 抛光斧头 blue janitor 天空要塞看门人

[untold wren]

How bad would single-minded fury be with the very rare fist weapon?

[chrome plover]

asking the real questions

[warm crag]

can just sim it but it'd have to be crazy good to even be on par with tg

[compact siren]

Thanks spongie

[warm crag]

[compact siren]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/711337973274378270/1222549568470777876/SPONGIEWHY.gif

[astral steeple]

It seems like my DPS is really low in Dungeons..

New to Wow. First character Ive played ever, and Im at like ilevel 615

[storm meadow]

do you have logs to show ? What's your weapon ilvl ?

[astral steeple]

Should I look at Stats first as far as Strength, Haste, Mastery etc?

I wouldnt even know where to find logs sadly

[storm meadow]

Then how can you tell your DPS is low ? xD

[astral steeple]

616 & 613

Just comparing to the rest of the party.

[storm meadow]

Oh, you have overalls ? What do you output currently?

[astral steeple]

Is Warcraft Logs what I need to look at?

[storm meadow]

WarcraftLogs can be quite daunting if you never checked it out.

you have a details overall to share ? Maybe a breakdown of your damage output would help me figure out if you have it

[astral steeple]

I do not sorry

[oblique trail]

Andaballs

[clever belfry]

banuzzy

[raw bone]

icyveins says to use BT with 4+ stacks of bloodcraze while wowhead says 3+, i guess the difference is super low, right?

[last sparrow]

think it more depends on how much crit you have naturally

[warm crag]

i think its trying to optimize a 90%+ crit chance on the bt iirc dont quote me on this

but i also think you should not be bothering to play around this conditional

[raw bone]

alright, and if i read that correctly, it's optimal to always have 5 stacks of SS before rampaging if we have brutal finish, even if we are burning a lot of rage, right?

[warm crag]

thats what it says in wowhead verbatim ye

idk how much of a dps increase that behaviour is over just ignoring it

[fading sky]

but tbh just send as many rbs as u can ?

if u get 3 stacks and run out id still just ramp ?

[warm crag]

thats also what wowhead says

its a priority list of what button to press moment to moment not a checklist

[oblique trail]

About 0.4%~ loss to ignore it, with AM, at max ilvl (perhaps just a tier diff)

Did not check with RA

[warm crag]

make sure this is set to on or i will flame you

[oblique trail]

No!

[warm crag]

rude

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shoo-away-gif-13653609800890535042

[gleaming siren]

Just put a glow on your BT when high crit and maybe press it

shrug

[oblique trail]

I will put a glow around you soon

[warm crag]

atrocity has it probs idk idc

[oblique trail]

Atrocity usually overengineers his WA pack

It already changes from white to green when you're at 95% (or was it 100%)

[radiant plank]

Atrocity UI but remove 90% of the stuff

[warm crag]

serves me fine out of the box shrug

[eternal sundial]

Box mentioned

Weeeooow

[slim coral]

He does

[south kayak]

[earnest canyon]

I use luxthos and it shows the actual bonus crit and when it's changed to bloodbath

[gleaming siren]

You are my ideal

[forest owl]

i hope fury damage holdsup, almost every other spec has a tierset that is better, i have a familiar itch that fury will be good week 1 then be overtaken by literally every other dps spec when 4p happens, i dunno maybe im wrong and just ranting.

[fickle bluff]

[forest owl]

how is the performance difference between arms and fury atm, is it just play whatever or is there a clear winner?

[devout totem]

play whatever

[restive peak]

If you're not top 50ish, it won't be a difference

Both specs are super strong, it's likely we play a diff spec on diff bosses during high end prog

[hollow elk]

yep pretty much down to player playstyle and skill at this point

[restive peak]

Technically, arms will be better on a few of the fights and fury on a few, so if skill was equal you'd probably swap

But you can absolutely compete as both

We're in a good spot, very lucky

[unreal onyx]

Not live yet

The season

I am expecting more nerfs

[clever belfry]

@oblique trail hai

[oblique trail]

@clever belfry meowdy

[restive peak]

There won't be more tuning til next week

[warm crag]

me when i lie

[granite crown]

Likely no tuning until RWF over surely? They've usually waited in the past

[thorn pelican]

war is performing very good on raid but it's already very far from meta comp in M+ ... Maybe this will save us from big nerfs

[warm crag]

they usually nerf based on raid not m+ ye

also wdym its performing very good in raid the raid isnt out yet

[restive peak]

Yeah it's very likely they gather data week 1, and we get some tuning for next week.

[south kayak]

Seems like the tuning is fairly balanced rn

[thorn pelican]

based on sims and expectations

[warm crag]

i miss hc week...

[south kayak]

but who knows

[restive peak]

Well it's balanced on paper, doesn't mean anything for actual raid performance yet

[restive peak]

No

No more 3-5 split weeks

[warm crag]

silence

you literally just do 3-5 split weeks but also mythic raid now

and farm m+

its more degenerate

[covert blaze]

i like heroic week

[restive peak]

No heroic week, so boring, we only do 2 splits when no heroic week

[covert blaze]

gives you time to do some m+

[restive peak]

M+ is capped heroic week usually

So it's lame

[undone flower]

Who won RWL ?

[warm crag]

still on until tmrw no

or thursday even for asia

[south kayak]

me

[covert blaze]

not over yet

[warm crag]

im gonna be real with you hc week is good for literally everyone except for ppl who want to grind 24 hours in a day for whom its neutral

[undone flower]

I like those rwl clips they are so happy to kill it

[restive peak]

Yeah I know Spongie let me hate

[covert blaze]

real

[restive peak]

LET ME HATE

I SEE YOU TYPING

[warm crag]

also lets u enjoy the patch instead of degen farming some random ass reputation

[restive peak]

Rep should be removed change my mind

[warm crag]

u still have random shit to do like wax farming

[restive peak]

Fuck. Rep.

[covert blaze]

@warm crag should i ''waste'' an enchanted crest again

[stiff torrent]

Alright wheres the new talent build

[warm crag]

idk what this means

[undone flower]

You are not the target audience for rep, just don’t give a shit

[south kayak]

I'm wax farming rn

[warm crag]

get a grip or

[bitter palm]

yes

those who know

[covert blaze]

ugh nevermind!!

[warm crag]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-kiwis-gif-26168357

[covert blaze]

i'm getting heroic best-in-slots today

[south kayak]

[bitter palm]

hi getting heroic best-in-slots today

[warm crag]

i think you are 👍

[restive peak]

If BIS drops in my split

[undone flower]

buying a vip hc boost rn

[restive peak]

I will nut

[warm crag]

do you even want hc bis

playing arms with an hc ilvl weapon kinda cringus

[bitter palm]

if its bis then its the best

im pretty sure

tho i might be wrong

then again

its best in slots

so u can put it on other slots i think

if it was best in slot then only weapon

[covert blaze]

good for a while on both and probably bis offhand for fury

[bitter palm]

i think cloak or bracers

[clever belfry]

bis waffe bro

[warm crag]

weapon discourse this tier is not serious

excited for vault openings?

[sour frigate]

waffe

[restive peak]

Will play both for prog brotato

Fury is def better on some of the fights

[clever belfry]

u wouldnt get it 🚬

[warm crag]

ye but just give it some caster while we play a myth stat stick or idk

[restive peak]

Nah fuckem

[warm crag]

2 min cd looking ass

align it with a rampage

[restive peak]

Fr I actually don't care, I'll have a crafty tues and a myth track wep early lol

[clever belfry]

i will sim it vs a 626 wep

so it goes to me

[sour frigate]

💪 🇩🇪

[clever belfry]

thoughts?

[warm crag]

dont u craft like next week or

[clever belfry]

rng

[warm crag]

unless raid is done by tmrw

[clever belfry]

depends what i get innit

[restive peak]

Next week, I meant next Tues SPONGIE OBVIOUSLY

[warm crag]

today is tuesday

[sour frigate]

i get balls

[restive peak]

Yeah and there's gonna be another Tuesday big dog

Well

Unless the nukes fly

But for now...we plan for another Tuesday

[warm crag]

no more tuesdays

[restive peak]

RIPesus

[covert blaze]

only relevant if the caster doesnt use on-use trinket

it being better for a caster that is

[warm crag]

ok what will you use it with

[covert blaze]

cause the weapon goes on cd when you trinket

[warm crag]

what if they brought back the 2 billion versa trinket from sepulcher

chessmate

[bitter palm]

and make sure the cd doesnt reset after wiping

[restive peak]

You guys know he's trolling right

[bitter palm]

for ultimate cb

cbt

[restive peak]

It's literally str/agi LMAO

Spongie successful troll again

[warm crag]

what is

[covert blaze]

you know the weapon transform to intellect too right

[warm crag]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=232805/best-in-slots

[queen linden]

Best of luck to everyone this tier 💪

[restive peak]

IDK man it's listed as str/agi, maybe I am a dumbass

[covert blaze]

me when i lack information

[restive peak]

Oh no we hate that for us

[warm crag]

linc confirmed cooked

[undone flower]

SPIELOPLaAT

[restive peak]

Honestly though noone who uses 2h intellect maces is good it's ours

Fuckin HOLY PAL? YEAH RIGHT BUD

[warm crag]

every caster will use this ye lol

[restive peak]

4% buff

[covert blaze]

surely boomie is not good

[warm crag]

every caster that can use maces*

[covert blaze]

:xdd:

[restive peak]

Boomie is actually mid for raid

[warm crag]

so like boomies and devas ye

[restive peak]

Dev may fuck w us a bit, but boomies are gonna be rare

SP stronger

[warm crag]

cluegi

[restive peak]

Why bring chicken when you can bring Xala lite

[undone flower]

Feral moment ?

[restive peak]

How many guilds do you know with a good feral tho

[hardy bluff]

1

[undone flower]

I have 1, I don’t know if he is good

Bc he is the only feral I know

[restive peak]

I don't even think we have a feral player prepped fr

And I doubt many other top guilds really do, Liquid and Echo and them will ofc

[covert blaze]

all 4 druid specs can use the weapon so i'd say they're a pretty good candidate for the weapon

[restive peak]

You're def not giving a BIS DPS wep to a druid tank or druid healer early on prog brotato

[undone flower]

I hope they will do the mistake to give it to me (bdk)

[restive peak]

For pugs, yeah you're gonna be rollin against A LOT of people

[covert blaze]

that was not my point

[restive peak]

We're discussing getting it early in splits

So that's the point of this context

[undone flower]

Yeah pugs is a mirage if you think you will get it by rolls

[restive peak]

IDC about pug adventures

[restive edge]

With the arms balancing fury is just as good now yeah?

I know some bosses have execute checks but that's gonna be irrelevant for a shitty non HoF guild like mine ye?

[covert blaze]

the druid can multispec

who's talking about rolling

when we're talking about loot prio

lol

[restive peak]

Again, you're not giving a multispec guy a wep he may use vs your people who will absolutely verifiably use it all of prog

[warm crag]

if ur not pushing for hof you are always justified to play whatever you want ye

[compact siren]

SP ongie

[warm crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294680138042183711/1341054825277948024/dQsPP.gif

[covert blaze]

both druid specs use it

[compact siren]

Go back to shadow general

[warm crag]

ok

[restive peak]

That wep is gonna go to DPS warrs 1st most likely for one reason

EVERY other spec will craft their wep

And fury uses 2 weps

[restive edge]

Ty king, I'm being peer pressured into playing arms and I'm like we're not even good enough for me to fotm pls leave me alone

[dense elbow]

Ye, if you just doing CE, I wouldn't worry or care much about the diff

[restive peak]

Both druid specs will be crafting wep when available

Who uses 2 2hers and needs an OH?

[covert blaze]

man my fucking scroll well is broken apparently

on patch day

i cba

[restive edge]

So if playing fury and CE is the goal is week 1 crafted wep with gilded the play?

[restive peak]

You're gonna watch all the RWF teams funnel that wep to their warriors who may play fury

Week 2, unless we somehow get 2 sparks today

[hardy bluff]

week 3 we get 2 sparks

[restive edge]

I completely forgot about sparks

[hardy bluff]

not week 2

[restive peak]

Week 3 I guess, I consider this week 1

Last week was not a seasonal week

[hardy bluff]

you get half a spark per week or?

[restive edge]

How does the gating for sparks work? I thought they were random drop

[restive peak]

We get a full + half today via the quest

[hardy bluff]

how do you get 2 next week

[restive peak]

And we'll get the 4th half next Tues

[undone flower]

Yes but the quest give you 1 free

[restive peak]

^

[warm crag]

you should not really go in with a plan of what to craft but rather craft around what gear you manage to get

[dense elbow]

Quest turns first into two

[clever belfry]

u guys have way too little nuance in this

[covert blaze]

i'm sure it will happen, you said the weapon is not good for others classes which is not true

[clever belfry]

who gets the wep should depend on what else u fuckin get

[restive peak]

We were talking in the context of splits/high end prog, so I stand by my statement in that capacity

[restive edge]

Realistically I will not be seeing a mythic wep until week 3 or 4 of raid

[restive peak]

Lots of gear is good for tons of things, it goes to what's absolutely best in splits

[restive edge]

Unless vault is good to me

[hardy bluff]

so we get 3 half sparks this week?

think its 2

[covert blaze]

ofc

[undone flower]

Of course opens etc. vaults before crafting and use sim to know what to crafts

[covert blaze]

ready my last message again maybe

let's move on

[clever belfry]

it is completly nonsensical for most people to craft before their week 2 reclears

[dense elbow]

You get a half, deliver it to turn that into 1 more half, getting a whole

[restive peak]

I explained why your last message isn't relevant to what I was saying

But sure, we can move on lol

Anda is right, but odds are we'll want to craft the 675 2h regardless

Not every class will feel that way

[hardy bluff]

yea i know

my question is if it takes the half away or not

[dense elbow]

[undone flower]

I think most don’t care and jump directly on it, hopefully I don’t

[calm mantle]

So is Thane looking to outperform Slayer by a decent margin in AOE this season?

Currently&

[restive peak]

Yes Vant, but not in raid AOE

Just M+ sustained AOE

[clever belfry]

if people look at it this simply theyre either
a: dumb
b: dont play at a level where it matters

b being the far more likely option

[covert blaze]

xd

[calm mantle]

Awesome, thank you. Might try to play thane from the start this season instead of Slayer.

[restive peak]

https://tenor.com/view/lightning-thunder-thor-bahubali-prabhas-gif-22212250

We do be lovin thane life

[undone flower]

Oh lower players are min maxing players too but they don’t know everything, they tells you « the wep is BiS you wrong »

[calm mantle]

lmao, I struggled to adapt to Thane last season I forgot to hit my thunder a lot.

[dense elbow]

Still not too late for some slayer AoE buffs

[restive peak]

I mean lower players probably also want to craft the wep because they won't have access to the other options for so long they'll have more sparks when they do, there are a lot of factors

[summer quail]

don't worry. slayer will get nerfed instead because of arms

[dense elbow]

ya ain't wrong

[restive peak]

I fuckin love thane

[undone flower]

Agrée

[dense elbow]

I can do my 1 button macro Thane gameplay, sure

[undone flower]

You want my 1 button prot macro ?

[supple laurel]

what sort of numbers are we seeing for ST btw?

or SHOULD be seeing should I say

[hardy bluff]

pretty good ones

[restive peak]

Whatever the robot says

[supple laurel]

okay that's true. Not sure why I didn't go to the robot lmao

[restive peak]

I'm at like 1.9 personally, gonna change drastically today

[supple laurel]

raids/dungs coming out today?

[restive peak]

For NA yeah

[supple laurel]

oh for US

[tardy lark]

NA hack

[supple laurel]

yah nice. gl man

hope you get BIS BIS BIS

[tardy lark]

EU doctors hate him and this 1 simple trick

[hardy bluff]

they get it like 4 hours before eu

[dense elbow]

EU always behind, NA needs the headstart

[hardy bluff]

its not that bad

[tribal dune]

[dense elbow]

[restive peak]

NA beta tests for EU

[undone flower]

They also WAIT for EU

Im so glad servers are down 20 min for me

[supple laurel]

okay mine shows 1.6m Ain't played for a while + only had 618 ilvl. That sounds quite good

[dense elbow]

Sounds alright

[tribal dune]

i just came back to the game, my gear is down horrendous

[dense elbow]

Best indicator is if your performance comparably to the others in your group. As they are the only ones in the same situation of events

[restive peak]

You'll be re-geared in no time

[dense elbow]

90 crests a week, or 60? Can't remember

[tribal dune]

yea i got up to 623 ilvl from DF season 1 gear in these past couple days

[restive peak]

90 has been the norm

[undone flower]

Im 623 too, I can’t upgrade more unless I spend crests

[covert blaze]

it's 60 now

for crafted

oh you mean the cap nvm

[dense elbow]

No, 90 crafted items a week

[covert blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-wtf-face-gif-3910649995586292876

[tribal dune]

i used a bunch of crest to get to where i am now, not a big deal i'm not taking this game serious anymore so i can just chill

[forest owl]

why is execute for prot so beefy compared to fury, i know fury's is a generator and prot is a spender, but still the difference feels whack

[edgy widget]

That's exactly why - the effect on resource economy is very different; Prot loses survivability to Execute whereas Fury's is more of a rotation enabler

Also Prot been benefitting from big buffs to Arms, since they're shared

[slim coral]

Good luck to everyone today

My rng be in your favor

[fervent yoke]

Im gonna be that guy rolling on both two hand maces sorry

[heavy nacelle]

guys are we gonna get the 2nd spark 1 week or 2 weeks from now? 😋

[surreal token]

@edgy widget why the delayed TR on opener?

[edgy widget]

Slaughtering Strikes stronk and you want to maximize enrage time before you have to Rampage again

realistically, there's very little reason you can't just send TR before Bladestorm though, since you're very likely to get another enrage proc from Unhinged

[coarse nest]

Ahhh is it that time of the day already where we ping/reply to arch every 60 seconds

[crude flicker]

Arch has his morning coffee ready to reply lookin like the guy from Coraline

https://tenor.com/view/dad-coraline-work-gif-18503813

[edgy widget]

please, I'm already working

[coarse nest]

[edgy widget]

going to be an extremely busy day

[coarse nest]

Oh you know it!

[quiet geyser]

Keep in mind, a lot of these bosses have early adds. You'll honestly prob just not even use TR till they come out

[sour frigate]

shut discord profit

[rigid stirrup]

Surely bloodmallet updates today

[gilded pawn]

Surely the bis character in Bloodmallet sims is representative of your character

[pallid tundra]

when noxxic update

[forest owl]

are there any spreadsheets with gear tracks for each content m+ raid, delvs etc

[tribal dune]

damn that's neat

i love seeing autism in action, that means i don't have to use my brain

[forest owl]

a scholar, thank you

[dusty flicker]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1pLpQSCIV9_P_89MExObd5tOc_Ce2WFa5xCMd0Y4eHgc/htmlview#gid=0

[earnest canyon]

neat, thanks

[modest condor]

revvez farming them scraps

[heavy nacelle]

is there a list of recommended specs for raid per-boss? 😛 are you guys gonna be ST on kong Vs. godzilla boss?

[hollow elk]

Busy indeed the pre grind before raid time tonight is gon be massive....right?

[restive peak]

Need to get a solid amount of 8s done asap, it's grind o clock

[earnest canyon]

yeah cos as far as I understand it, they have to be kept seperate

[hollow elk]

Gotta pad this ilvls as much. As possible lol

[heavy nacelle]

apparently theres a short time where you can cleave them once they butt heads but I guess that's too short to spec aoe

[edgy widget]

shit, I got a RWF to cover

[hollow elk]

God my phone makes me type like I had stroke before typing...

[edgy widget]

I'll be lucky if I get to grind dungeons

[meager gyro]

oh are you casting for a team?

[edgy widget]

no

[hollow elk]

He's gotta get dat data

[edgy widget]

hell no

that sounds fucking miserable lol

[hollow elk]

Can't be worse than watching a full baseball game

[edgy widget]

watching and having to provide constant commentary are two very different things

[hollow elk]

I mean provide commentary in a sport where nothing happens for 90% of the game I mean

[restive peak]

Monitor 1 dungeon grind, Monitor 2 RWF vibes

We ball uncontrollably

[undone flower]

Monitor 3 baseball game

[hollow elk]

Watch people already push 12s week one while I'll probly be struggle on 8s

[restive peak]

Will def be in 12s by weekend, fuck pre-12 affix shit

I'd rather do a 12 than a 10

[hollow elk]

Excited about season > stuck tanking for the mythic group of friends

[restive peak]

People know not to ask me to tank unless they want to die

[hollow elk]

Im passable as a tank but I always end up never getting shields and one handers for some reason

Probly has to do that I'm still arms loot spec kek

[winter shoal]

I've kept a 580 blue weapon all season so anytime anyone asks me to tank I just say "sure but this is my tank gear" and they move on

[restive peak]

xD

[fervent yoke]

This guy gets it

[coarse nest]

Smort

[restive peak]

Smarter is do not own a 1h or shield

Thanks for coming to my ted talk

[fervent yoke]

So today only up to +2 release?

[restive peak]

Today is full release

[fervent yoke]

Ohhhokay

[restive peak]

All keys, all raid difficulties

[thick fossil]

19 mins?

[tidal kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-infinity-war-marvel-chadwick-boseman-tchalla-gif-15744736

[restive peak]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-avengers-infinity-war-thunder-lightning-gif-15116476

[tidal kindle]

3 hr* 19min

[thick fossil]

For the M+ grind for the guild.... yeah...

[covert blaze]

surely no extendo

surely

[restive peak]

Telling you bro 1:30EST

We're online

[covert blaze]

[tidal kindle]

If servers come up on time I will let myself believe arms doesnt get shot

[restive peak]

Attta boiiii

Arms is getting giga nuked next Tuesday

Enjoy your week bro

[tidal kindle]

Under no circumstances do I want to play fury in raid this tier

New prios are whack

[restive peak]

Yeah fury is a mess

But it's our mess

[coarse nest]

I’ll see y’all at 8pm when the instances start working

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-carl-weathers-gif-3467479625995849682

[coarse nest]

[thick fossil]

What, you don't want to ignore BT until execute range?

[tidal kindle]

It's more the

Bs > spam rb for slaughter > rampage bit

It's just slaughter in general actually

[thick fossil]

Yeah, not keen on being 2 buttons with a 3rd once in awhile. Than a 4th in execute.

[winter shoal]

If you're doing this you're playing fury wrong lmao

[summer quail]

tbf that's a pretty small gain

[tidal kindle]

Yeah but my brain...

[summer quail]

i will prob just ignore, also depending on timing of the fight it might be detrimental to do so

[winter shoal]

Was -0.7% when I simmed it yesterday

[tidal kindle]

I already adjusted my weakauras to tell me when to press buttons but the muscle memory gonna be rough to break

[winter shoal]

But also it's not that hard, just RB after BS while you're still enraged

[tidal kindle]

Yah

Also wasting the rage as AM feels kinda

[winter shoal]

Just be slightly acoustic like me and spend hours and hours on PTR dummies building new muscle memory

[tidal kindle]

[summer quail]

yuh it's not hard at all. it's just weird to sit there at max rage with AM and not pressing rmapage

[thick fossil]

I was exaggerating
but it's not far off.

[summer quail]

rampage*

[winter shoal]

Agreed but it actually matters more as AM because you get more BS, as RA it's basically the same dps to just ignore SS+BF

[vague sierra]

Exciting fury design, waste rage and execute doesn't execute Pog. Glad my rotation is changed.

Next we'll be going into defensive stance for a damage boost just like druids

[winter shoal]

I mean arms currently plays without 4/10 of their hero talents so

Blizzard killing it with warriors rn

[summer quail]

maan can't they just rework slayer. worst thing about both specs is literally just because of slayer

[compact knot]

wasnt feral going boomkin form and using like sunfire/moonfire

[tidal kindle]

I'd be so on board with X effect for Y seconds when you shift into battle stance

Hot take

[radiant plank]

Overwhelmed still works

altho slowly

[summer quail]

yeah and that got fixed

[thick fossil]

They nerfed that so they wouldn't have to anymore.

[compact knot]

this exists in sod

[tidal kindle]

[surreal token]

What's bad about fury?

[covert blaze]

please no

[summer quail]

hot take indeed. i would rather not stance dance

one of two ways i reroll

[vague sierra]

Yeah, actually kinda wish I didn't speak that into existence, fuck.

[tidal kindle]

Lost ark combat has spoiled me

[summer quail]

tru. lost ark combat is goated

[tidal kindle]

Need 10-15s windows for adhd attention span dopamine reward

[compact knot]

tbh the stance swapping wasnt fun from what ive heard in sod

so

[summer quail]

lost ark destroyer, if arms was like that. holy moly

[restive peak]

Careful we're gonna end up with siegebreaker back

[sand crest]

[tidal kindle]

Shifting into battle stance applies aoe siege/cs for 6s

Stance cd is now 12s

[south kayak]

me when im in defensive st ance for 12 seconds

[tidal kindle]

And gives battle cry*

Boom

[south kayak]

berserk gives reck

[restive peak]

Sounds awful

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/berserker-lost-ark-kastor-gif-24726562

[restive peak]

Overcooked and burnt/10

[south kayak]

lmfao

That's ridiculous amount of effects

[slim coral]

they're all goated

the chains awakeening is bis

[south kayak]

is it just me or does LA have the exact same combat text font as WoW

Are people still playing that

[pulsar quest]

Bro how am I still getting tagged for sales this morning in the discords

What could you possibly be buying this morning

[south kayak]

lmfao

[gilded pawn]

Aotc

[pulsar quest]

Brother

[sinful spoke]

@tidal kindle u still playing loa?

[pulsar quest]

If you don’t have aotc yet pack it up

The new raid comes out THIS AFTERNOON

[sinful spoke]

Pjp

[tidal kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/i-robot-sonny-hiding-subterfuge-gif-25954630

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-robot-gif-1510775420994119411

State of the game

[forest owl]

just looking through the s2 m+ timers, how is it motherlode is 39mins but theater of pain is 34min, i dont remember motherlode being a long or harder dungeon.

[covert blaze]

@tidal kindle i loved lost ark

[pulsar quest]

Are we doing 20 warriors vs mythic Vexie tonight or what

[covert blaze]

goated game destroyed by gacha gearing

[coarse nest]

Fuck yeah I’m in

[slim coral]

imagine if lost ark, destiny 2 and wow did a raid together