fury

[bitter palm]

nooo tmyy fell off

dragonflight tmy raided in 394 guilds (approximation) all of which were top 50 with 1399 characters (exactly)

all full bis week 2

tww tmy raids in a weekend guild

@ebon junco wake up

[warm crag]

[solemn plover]

[oblique trail]

You are

[bitter palm]

balls....

[clever belfry]

undermine still lags

ill just log out i think

no questline for me

[sour frigate]

[compact siren]

:herballs:

[heavy nacelle]

Im employed but took 3 days off season start

[flat river]

I had a dream that someone hacked my google account and stole my steam account

Woke up checking my email in a panic

[thick fossil]

That would be awful.

[remote bobcat]

sir this is a warrior discord

[thick fossil]

Thats not even close to some of the random shit we see in here.

[summer quail]

My guy, this is fury chat. Basically general Chat

[covert blaze]

u new here or

[red berry]

are you still doing keys

[red berry]

can i have your steam account

[remote bobcat]

whooosh

[gusty hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/willem-willem-dafoe-face-swap-wendys-this-is-a-wendys-gif-25790144

[thick fossil]

I'd say #fury is more akin to Waffle house.

[potent thicket]

bad mistake 💀 always wait for the fixes then roll

[heavy dock]

well thats a funny way to start this new patch lol

[iron portal]

But has it found its new host

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/rhea-ripley-entrance-wwe-nxt-take-over-in-your-house-gif-17653817

[restive granite]

is that the jojo siwa

[chrome plover]

the name is literally right there

[restive granite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1326809946997919805.webp?size=96&animated=true

[sullen cloak]

Does anyone know how the new raid bosses are in terms of alligning with Fury cooldowns? I have heard some people mention that 2 of the bosees are execute bosses therefore arms will be very strong?

[rare garnet]

Is there a place that posts the current recommended build for each boss?

[sullen cloak]

I havent seen it yet

[restive peak]

Aligns well for fury based on testing, bosses 6 and 7 are heavy execute bosses yes

So probably fury or arms interchangeably on most, with 6/7 favoring arms

But if you're not like top 50 WR it won't matter

[sullen cloak]

Still good to know though thank you. So Mugzee and bandit are more execute based?

[restive peak]

They have heavy execute phases into enrage

[sullen cloak]

MIght help for Mythic progress for 2 Raid warriors to switch to arms for the encounter

[south kayak]

btw how do you enrage yoruself when you charge in as AM

[restive peak]

I would expect to see at least 2 arms warrs on the RWF teams for those bosses if no major tuning, possibly 3

[south kayak]

the loss of 50 rage is cringe

[restive peak]

You get to enrage then blow everything

Most specs have setup, we just didn't for awhile

[south kayak]

do i use Avatar/reck after charging?

or wait to get neraged

enraged

[restive peak]

I get enraged then go HAM

[south kayak]

You can't rampage after this

so this is wrong

[remote bobcat]

u wanna reck before charging for bonus rage

[restive peak]

You have a pretty good chance if you reck charge of getting enraged w charge+an auto as you get there

Personally I don't think the extra .5s of waiting is worth the risk, I charge > enrage > pop everything

[south kayak]

are you using a rampage that's not cleaving ?

at start

[restive peak]

Oh for AOE I start every pull with Charge>TClap>Get Enraged>Pop

[radiant plank]

Stolen from maxroll guide

[restive peak]

Bro Revvez does not write this LOL

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[restive peak]

Fuckin hilarious, you literally could not pay me to believe Revvez puts reck/ava on his CHARGE MACRO

[radiant plank]

maybe he has a separate button

for that macro

[devout totem]

nah but Clickz does

[radiant plank]

to use once per pull

yk

[remote bobcat]

^

[restive peak]

Still a waste of 1-2 GCDs in ava

[radiant plank]

Like fucking ctrol 6

[restive peak]

so I highly doubt it lmao

[radiant plank]

Depends ig

[restive peak]

I think the guides are always built to be easier to use for the masses

[radiant plank]

well ofc

[south kayak]

my enha does a lot more on the target dummies than fury

[remote bobcat]

dont forget a lot of people used to macro reck avatar and spear in season 1

[restive peak]

Enh is cracked

[south kayak]

yo did u see what primordial storm looks like?

it's like a better OF with frost/fire/lightning all around you

and has similar animatino of spinning

[remote bobcat]

press button > boom

[south kayak]

it's so good

i can't get into a 10 key to test futy

lmfao

fury

[acoustic seal]

enhance cant keep getting away with this

[restive peak]

Bro imagine the tuning comes out and they just giga nuke enh/feral/mage

Warrior is now S tier

Life is good

[acoustic seal]

a land of milk and honey

[elfin obsidian]

We still gonna catch a stray. This is the way.

[high echo]

Praying

[radiant plank]

buff enha

[acoustic seal]

still traumatized by "enhance doing well? better nerf warrior"

[south kayak]

one dungeon overall is indicative of class balance

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/997086666961457203/chatting.gif

[restive peak]

Enh is giga busted man, not even enh shams pretend otherwise which makes it even funnier blizz just ignores it xD

They're like "yeah bro we deserve a nerf for sure, it's wild" Blizz - better nerf those pesky warriors

[covert blaze]

ok enha shaman

[acoustic seal]

the metzen diff

[south kayak]

I do think enha needs a nerf but this kind of overall posting is sus

[radiant plank]

according to PTR players, yes

[south kayak]

real

[remote bobcat]

nerf enha m+ builds, nerf arms m+ builds

delete all mages in the game

[south kayak]

playing with a 640 mage in group

[remote bobcat]

and nerf rets more

[south kayak]

wish me luck

[remote bobcat]

then we be happy

[remote bobcat]

1.3mil overall

take it or leave it

[south kayak]

lmfao

[remote bobcat]

shrug

[night sun]

not even 1b overall this was a +7

[south kayak]

he about to do a big pull

0 dps

5 ttarget damage

L

[remote bobcat]

keep posting screenshots

keep us updated

of his dmg

[south kayak]

nerf fury

[covert blaze]

this close to launch and the ring hasnt been nerfed yet

im starting to worry

[radiant plank]

ok is this better

[south kayak]

who is this

you?

[radiant plank]

yeah?

my massively geared enha

[south kayak]

cool

totemic?

[radiant plank]

yeah

[tardy lark]

i should log on my enh to actually l2p before splits

[remote bobcat]

What key this

[dense elbow]

Enh is about o.5m to 1m behind where it should be

[radiant plank]

10 mists

[radiant plank]

its not hard

[remote bobcat]

Yo walhe

[radiant plank]

my UI is tracking 4 abilites in ST

[remote bobcat]

Well played

[radiant plank]

sorry, 5

[tardy lark]

yeah our enh main sent me pic of his suddenly dh levels of empty bars

[remote bobcat]

Mine did too tf

Universal experience

[covert blaze]

enha got easier this patch?

[radiant plank]

Looks good

[radiant plank]

way easier

[covert blaze]

man

[restive granite]

less tedious

[covert blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/he-cant-keep-getting-away-with-it-gif-19335672

[restive granite]

it wasnt ever hard, it was tedious to play

[remote bobcat]

Totemic is incredibly easy and Stormbringer got easier too

[restive granite]

having to pool resources for next pull

[remote bobcat]

Good stormbringer players did a lot more what are you on about

[radiant plank]

nvm my slayer stuff is small too

[remote bobcat]

Good enhance tracked their shit well while providing good well-timed utility

[restive granite]

i got 3256 as stormbringer

i think i know what im talking about

[radiant plank]

OP

Ok so you’re talking to a 2731 io fury warrior and I’m telling you, you don’t really see the community problem til you’re up here king

[remote bobcat]

Ive seen SB enhancers in S1 with 3.5k not know that they should save tempests

[mighty bolt]

3256 on a meta spec doesn't mean that much

[restive granite]

means at least i can play the spec

and im not talking out of my ass

[remote bobcat]

Not necessarily, unfortunately

[restive granite]

well to each their own

[remote bobcat]

Per my example above

[covert blaze]

minigame

[remote bobcat]

Also a lot of enhancers thinking that they should trinket and potion ascendance in aoe instead of primwave+tempest

Small things like that add up

[restive granite]

yeah its not hard

[remote bobcat]

But they still get high io because enhance

[remote bobcat]

What spec would you consider harder

[tardy lark]

Floor is pretty high, ceiling is higher. Enh has been well designed during S1

easy to perform decently on but deep enough to set yourself apart

[remote bobcat]

^ I agree with this

[restive granite]

idk, like no spec is hard to play atm imo

[remote bobcat]

Bruh

Obviously

Wow isnt hard

We are talking about relative difficulty

Enhance is more difficult than other specs

In s1 m+

[south kayak]

fury's cleave is so good im not even using cds on packs

and doign well

[remote bobcat]

Do necrotic wake 1st pull as fury

And dont cry

[south kayak]

I linked the pull overall

[tardy lark]

I think its more so a factor of Enh working very differently from most other melee specs wanting to carry tempest into the next pack while most melee specs are frontloaded without having to think about the setup

[south kayak]

yeah it's not good but i outdps the mage

[restive granite]

yeah thats what i mean about tedious

[south kayak]

-9 ilvl btw

[remote bobcat]

Eh

You beat fire mage in uncapped aoe?

[tardy lark]

afk for the last 15 sec of a pack to either save or build for next

kek

[remote bobcat]

This guy must be ass

[covert blaze]

unholy too

[remote bobcat]

True

[oblique trail]

I think you're just a noob

[tardy lark]

:caught:

[tardy lark]

i wish DK felt good to play man

[covert blaze]

i like it

[restive granite]

i kinda liked WoD UH dk back then

the disease ramp gameplay

[remote bobcat]

Sanlayn slot machine uhdk

Gamba spec

[restive granite]

felt good in raids at least

[south kayak]

probably, overall:

[covert blaze]

is it tho

[remote bobcat]

Ask him how he lost on 1st pull

[south kayak]

I'm not

I don't care

[remote bobcat]

All uhdks i talked to say they dont like how gamba sanlayn is with procs

I dont play dk

[south kayak]

I'm not toxic, i don't just tell people why they lost to uncapped specs or anything like that

[covert blaze]

during your cd you have the proc the entire duration of the cd

if that makes sense

so it's not really more rng than other procs

on other specs

[south kayak]

wait, he's 3.5k io

susge

[remote bobcat]

Oh im biased for raids and parsing

Sorry

Not m+

[covert blaze]

im not talking about m+

[remote bobcat]

Then idk

[south kayak]

overall

[remote bobcat]

Thats what they said type shii

[tardy lark]

minigame players 🙈

[south kayak]

buff thunderblastt

no cap

[remote bobcat]

Yo lads when do we press raging blow on new thane AM build

After bt?

[south kayak]

What's your rotation like?

[remote bobcat]

Since bt gives blast?

[south kayak]

You prio it over BT actually

unless BT is under 35% or has 3 stacks of bloodcraze

[remote bobcat]

Unless VC range i assume

Yea

Interesting

[south kayak]

or 3 stacks of BC

[remote bobcat]

So Thunderblast is that dogshut

Interesting

[south kayak]

It's not, it's just that RB is that good

[remote bobcat]

Well yea u know what i mean

[south kayak]

and you get BT procs during cds with ravager/unhinged

so it's fine

you don't use BT during that

since unhinged does

TB does need a buff imo tho

[remote bobcat]

Brb taking quick shower

[visual breach]

they'll nerf something else to give us that buff though

[radiant plank]

on totemic? just lava lash on CD and spend to keep up frost witch

[south kayak]

I meant opener nvm lmao

I think it's someting like totem > Flame shock > crash > prim > 10 msw to keep up frost then spam sundering unless you get hot hands

[covert blaze]

i heard enha overcaps maelstrom a lot now
is that real lore

[south kayak]

I forgot doom winds

[radiant plank]

totem flame shock crash prim ele blast doomwinds lavalash sunder lavalash

[south kayak]

that's after you get frost witch

[radiant plank]

yes

[south kayak]

you sunder actually

until you can't then you use lava lash

[covert blaze]

cring

[radiant plank]

no

[south kayak]

unless u procced hot hands before

[radiant plank]

you lavalash

1st global after dw

to put it on cd

then you just rotate

according to zorth

[south kayak]

hmmge

[radiant plank]

wordup vs zorhtas

who do u trust

[south kayak]

Sure but doesn't it make sense to use Sundering until you can't then use lava lash to get the hot hands?

[radiant plank]

Probably

bbut your lavalash also sends a sunder

[south kayak]

I know it does

I guess it doesn't matter

[tidal kindle]

Errm ackshually!
YOU are the real minigame player for mythic raiding, statistically speaking of course

[south kayak]

you can still spam sunder/lava lash

on every 2nd global

F

it's so bad

[tardy lark]

ERM
More keys are cleared than raids are cleared, so clearly, raid is the lesser activity

[south kayak]

oh Thane feels good with AM

not much desyncs

[covert blaze]

thane is fine with am

[tidal kindle]

So you're a mini subset of the minigame demograph....

[south kayak]

Are you not using Prim Storm?

[covert blaze]

slayer makes me want to shoot myself

[molten night]

i tried RA, the bloodbath dot is just as bad.

[radiant plank]

I use prim storm at the end of DW when my frost witch is about to run out

[south kayak]

I think you're supposed to use it at least with doom winds and frost witch up

ok

poggers

[radiant plank]

Poggers

[south kayak]

you been playing arms?

[tardy lark]

clearly what i do is the real game that blizz cares about

[radiant plank]

ofc

[tardy lark]

work arms APL, play fury

[radiant plank]

xd

I will only spec fury

if its better for prog

[tardy lark]

You have to adopt Taistes pre charge avatar now that you took his spot

[radiant plank]

:noted

[thick fossil]

[tardy lark]

so we still have people looking at r1 logs and try to replicate the minute details thinking that not using pre avatar is what keeps them blue logging

[covert blaze]

man i dont think im gonna spec am slayer ever

no matter how ahead it is

[thick fossil]

The desync problem is very real.

[remote bobcat]

thats what im sayin

it feels so shit to play

[thick fossil]

Ok, gotta strap on the rest of my goalie gear and play this game. Wish me luck!

[remote bobcat]

omw to wish you luck

https://tenor.com/view/lolol-gta-yoshi-gif-14500395

[slate light]

hi bois, anyone knows when can we expect bloodmallet to be updated with season 2 trinkets?

[remote bobcat]

@south kayak did u try colossus arms m+?

[remote bobcat]

some trinket sims are already out on that echo website

what was it called again?

maxroll

[slate light]

ty, will check it out

[remote bobcat]

im p sure this is slightly outdated though

as some trinkets got nerfed

[tidal kindle]

[tardy lark]

they might be pulling data straight from simcraft, so it most likely will update itself when its run again

[south kayak]

Not since the patch

[remote bobcat]

its SURPRISINGLY fun

unironically

[south kayak]

Yeah I agree

I did play it on the PTR

[slate light]

oh god, Delve trinket

[restive peak]

Colossus arms is blasting

[remote bobcat]

I love pressing 10 stack prepared demolish immediately after cds to shoot my dmg from 2mil to 7mil dps

Prayge

[feral ivy]

Weird question how much does it matter with stats? We are mastery haste they are crit haste .. is there a big dmg difference if your using wrong stats.

[remote bobcat]

fury gear playing arms > you do solid dmg
arms gear playing fury > lolololol

or just do it like me keeping a billion items in inv

since i play all 3 specs

[feral ivy]

I did that and I deleted all the items last month I think

[covert blaze]

crafting system is le cringe

[remote bobcat]

big mistake

[earnest canyon]

I just go haste mastery and have a 1hander and a shield, but I'm casual as hell

[remote bobcat]

ya

[covert blaze]

just let us put 1 missive per spec and it switches with spec is that really so hard

[earnest canyon]

"choices matter"

[covert blaze]

have you tried item restore

[remote bobcat]

its kinda limited

if he sold a billion itrems

[feral ivy]

Ehh all my gear is 639 and the item I sold was heroic gear not going to switch to arms it’s already to late

[remote bobcat]

oh str > all else

kind of

[covert blaze]

you are gonna get a million times next week

doesn't matter just play both

[restive peak]

None of your gear means shit in like 4 days

[feral ivy]

But the transmog with 1 2h doesn’t work for me lol

Honestly I’m not playing arms because I like 2 2h transmogs

[radiant plank]

@tardy lark but is my enha just crazy or what

[tardy lark]

betting that doesnt lock in though

[radiant plank]

Probably not

[fickle bluff]

Show ilvl toggle

[glad coyote]

new zone is dead

[radiant plank]

:caught:

[remote bobcat]

giga

(this is normal)

(it does not matter one bit)

[hardy shuttle]

Matters more than heroic dungeon week

[coarse nest]

Day 1 unlocked 100s

Ez farm

[quiet breach]

why is it so different?

[fading sky]

Mastery good flr arms

Crit horrid for furu

[hardy shuttle]

Fury needs mastery to function at all. So having none of it is way worse than missing a bit of crit

[fading sky]

Or well big amounts of crit

[left perch]

In general haste and mastery mostly end up hurting your hands, and are not as fun as crit (due to the “bigger” text blizz puts for a critical strike) they are all good so just play what you like!

[devout totem]

[chrome plover]

why did you send a youtube video to the vouch channel of tft

[pliant hedge]

why nt

wanna ban me?

g ahead

[oblique trail]

Why are you sharing it in here of all places

[pliant hedge]

because

its the same

aas sharing it anywhere

ypu fucking mrn

https://tenor.com/view/tryan-trying-blocks-block-head-tryan-blocks-gif-13157134546106029566

[oblique trail]

👍

Aren't you a very normal individual

[left perch]

banezi talk about other normal things that are the same as talking about anywhere else

[fleet sorrel]

Sure why not

[coarse nest]

Such a randomly angry individual

[frigid zealot]

holy

[remote bobcat]

What did i miss

[chilly plume]

bro's just living the fury life

[remote bobcat]

Was this guy shitpostingb

?

[scenic forge]

At least he's living up to the fury spec

[chilly plume]

real

[acoustic seal]

Belligerent - Fury Hero Spec Unlocked

[left perch]

bro got white named

rest in peace jonbliss 2025-2025

[remote bobcat]

Real

[tidal kindle]

VilW

[glad coyote]

whats for lunch today boys

[quiet breach]

what does mastery do for fury warriors

[oblique trail]

Hover over mastery and it tells you

[glad coyote]

increases damage done while enraged

[quiet breach]

not at pc

[quiet breach]

ty

so the only rage spender we have as fury is rampage?

[willow cradle]

DPS spenders yes

[quiet breach]

the goal as fury is to have 100% enrage uptime right?

[willow cradle]

VC is technically a spender but it's a heal

You try to

[south kayak]

you don't need to focus on that

[thick fossil]

Another "W" on my stats sheet.

[oblique trail]

You have nearly 100% enrage naturally while just playing the rotation

[south kayak]

enrage uptime is cosmetic

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/st-louis-blues-thomas-greiss-blues-goalie-save-gif-27113968

[south kayak]

just play the rotation properly and you'll have 99% uptime

[south kayak]

daaaaaaaaamn

[mint obsidian]

should roll warr or pala wdyt?

[radiant plank]

pala

[mint obsidian]

rly?

whyyy

[south kayak]

he's being sarcastic

[mint obsidian]

oh lol

[south kayak]

Play what you like more

[radiant plank]

no im not

play pala

[mint obsidian]

damn i dunno i like both equally 😦

[south kayak]

Play both

[mint obsidian]

both are my ""mains""

ill end up playing both

for sure

[south kayak]

YOu can choose one to main raid

[mint obsidian]

but for now...need to stick to one haha

[south kayak]

and another as a 2nd char

[mint obsidian]

thats what i do 🙂

[south kayak]

Yeah same

[mint obsidian]

think pala easier on raid?

and range

more uptime

i dunno

[south kayak]

Pala is easier to play in general unless you're doing all the healing and utility stuff

[mint obsidian]

yeah thing is that pala is that easy that kinda get boring after a while

[quiet breach]

roughly how many gcds should I have in between each rampage

in most situations

[edgy widget]

There's not really a benchmark for that, but generally 2-4

[south kayak]

Yeah it doesn't matter, it depends on reck

with reck it's 2, can be 1

[edgy widget]

just because that's about how long Enrage usually lasts

well it depends on Rage (and Enrage) actually, but Reck influences that

The point is that just because you can Rampage doesn't always mean you necessarily should - there is a (sometimes counterintuitive) priority to the rotation

[south kayak]

wElL iT dEpEndS oN rAgE aCtUaLlY

(sorry)

[thick fossil]

We won 7 - 4

[edgy widget]

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

[south kayak]

that's nice, you're Canadian right?

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/canadian-canada-oh-canada-canada-day-canadian-mounties-gif-17644804

[south kayak]

I got timed out for a minute lmfao

[edgy widget]

I'm sorry

[thick fossil]

That's my line!

[quiet breach]

wowhead has a bunch of these unchecked. how many of these would be checked for the "real rotation"? currently on my boosted 70 warrior I only have onslaught

wowhead changes the rotation based on which ones u check

u can check all of them if u want

or none

[south kayak]

Did you choose Slayer?

[quiet breach]

ye

[south kayak]

So that's slayer ST rotation

with mountain thane you'll be playing Ravager instead of BS

[quiet breach]

what I'm asking is am I gonna get all those abilities in the "other options" eventually? will I be able to use all of them at the same time?

[south kayak]

I don't think you will

[hardy shuttle]

You don't really be using many of them. Mostly just swapping between roar/spear and ravager/bladestorm. Currently the rest are really not good

[quiet breach]

why is there a rotation for all of them checked if its impossible within the game

[hardy shuttle]

Because they assume you would check only what's in your talent build

[quiet breach]

I see

[hardy shuttle]

Technically it is possible to have them all, just never is going to be good

[modest condor]

because it's too much work to make them mutually exclusive

[hardy shuttle]

Well, other than choice nodes

[modest condor]

most people will realise that you cant have ravager and bladestorm at the same time anyway

[edgy widget]

the ones that are checked by default are the "real" rotation

that's why they're checked by default and listed under "recommended" instead of "other options"

[earnest canyon]

wowhead being slow as hell for anyone else?

[dense fulcrum]

a lil bit ye

[edgy widget]

Yeah the site has been having issues lately, they're tryin to sort it out

[quiet breach]

ok, thx

[edgy widget]

combination of high traffic (turns out a lot of people are interested in 11.1, despite "nothing to do") and some host issues idk

[earnest canyon]

glad its not just me

[edgy widget]

I find that incognito mode runs better for some reason

[earnest canyon]

probably less trackers and cookies

is the only thing that qualifies the survivability part of Thane from wowhead statement :
"Pros: Very competitive sustained multitarget damage, greater survivability."

The talent "keeep your feet on the ground"? (2% passive dr and 8% when you clap)

[mossy fox]

yes

it's a big deal

[modest condor]

not just that

also the other choice node

[earnest canyon]

yeah it is, but i wondered if i missed something else

[mossy fox]

both are great

[modest condor]

but compared to slayer, which only has a small heal on sudden death, it does have greater survivability

[south kayak]

meanwhile slayer has 15% healing from SD executes

lmfao

which was nerfed from 50%

even tho it was useless

[edgy widget]

tbf it's actually not a bad amount of healing

it's just so uncontrolled that it's rarely very effective healing, at least in dungeon & raid content

[south kayak]

it could be good in pvp

[hardy shuttle]

Save sudden death procs for after taking damage

[south kayak]

fuck 3x mfw stacks

[radiant plank]

revert death drive nerf

[south kayak]

we sd on low hp

[earnest canyon]

i think ive started to prefer Thane over slayer.....idk if they changed the animation or something, but clapping all the time doesnt feel "tacked on".....or maybe ive just gotten used to it

[remote bobcat]

Wtf

[earnest canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

im casual as hell so the choice isnt massive for me

[compact knot]

from a animation and theme viewpoint thane blows slayer out of the water

[bitter palm]

not a hard thing to do

[compact knot]

true^

[bitter palm]

when slayer has nothing

except random ahh spin

[compact knot]

well i feel like slayer was supposed to be like execute based

which it doesnt feel like i do more with execute

so

kinda wish they leaned heavy into execute with slayer instead of bladestorm

[earnest canyon]

slayer does more damage, but apart from bladestorm which is fun, it doesnt have anything and execute seems to hit like a wet noodle compared to rampage

[compact knot]

doesnt execute hit hard now tho

or atleast a little harder

[edgy widget]

if you're not playing at a really competitive level (and most people, despite thinking they perhaps should be, aren't), then you can play w/e you want and be completely fine

[edgy widget]

it got a big buff, but that was mostly just to keep it in line with the big buffs that other rotational abilities got - as a whole, Execute is still rather low prio and only hits hard with 3x Marked stacked up, not something you use on cooldown

[bitter palm]

imagine if slayer capstone was

u can use exe in avatar regardless of enemy hp

would go so hard as arms

[edgy widget]

I think it's a fun sounding idea, but it would result in the same complaint as condemn - people feeling like they spend the majority of the encounter just pressing one button

There was a Torghast power which did basically that, and it was fun for the limited time you were there, but Condemn got a lot of criticism for it over the course of the expansion as a whole

[calm swallow]

I loved Condemn >_>

[edgy widget]

I mean I thought it was cool too, but the complaint has merit, particularly for Arms - if Slayer had Condemn right now, like 85% of the rotation would be just pressing Execute over and over again

[river hare]

What was the idea behind condemn again? It sounds familiar

[bitter palm]

i think the issue with condemn was that u pressed nothing but condemn but yeah i agree it would get boring fast. wouldnt mind playing it for a tier or two

[calm swallow]

Fair enough.

[edgy widget]

Execute was usable >80% as well as <35/20%

[river hare]

Oh yea, that's right

[calm swallow]

Execute turns into Condemn, and Condemn is usable above 80% health and below 35% health, increasing the window you can use Execute. There was also a torghast power that let you use it regardless of health

[river hare]

What xpack was that?

[calm swallow]

Shadowlands

[river hare]

That's right

Lol

[edgy widget]

it also dealt shadow damage instead of physical (which doesn't really matter outside of flavor), and stacked an absorbed damage debuff on the target (which I'd love to see added to the hero tree in place of the Sudden Death heal)

[sullen dove]

put fan of long swords in the game

doesn’t it matter cuz every mob in the game has armor

[edgy widget]

fan of longswords has been on my wishlist for a long time

[sullen dove]

so condemn should do more damage than equal ap execute

cuz magic pens armor

[calm swallow]

Yaaaaaaaaaaaassssssssssss

[edgy widget]

it doesn't matter because it's tuned out - elemental damage ignores armor yes, but elemental attacks are just tuned to deal less damage to compensate for it

[spring oar]

On full AOE on wowhead, whats the play? how do you get enough rage to get into a ramp following that?

[sullen dove]

grr

[river hare]

Remembering that execute/condemn build from shadowlands is what made my brain choose slayer this xpack until now

[bitter palm]

until the tooltip number is lower

[sullen dove]

https://clips.twitch.tv/TiredHappySushiRaccAttack-qZyHytTXpSybne6T @slim coral jtp classic

[mint obsidian]

RB or BT is prio on Mountain build?

[edgy widget]

you'd think so, but realistically it didn't (or at least it didn't by as much as the lack of armor would suggest)

because Condemn was simply tuned lower than Execute

e.g. Execute dealt 100% AP, reduced by ~30% due to armor
while Condemn dealt ~80% AP, not reduced by armor

I'm making these numbers up because I don't remember the exact values offhand, but it was more or less around there

[dense elbow]

All I remember from condemn, was it hitting for less than a normal execute on target. You only got to get more casts of.

Was one of the reasons condemn wasnt my cup of tea, I prefered bigger numbers. As such, naturally, I slowly went into Mald for that giga %str banner executes instead

[edgy widget]

it didn't actually hit for less after everything was added up, it just didn't hit for as much as "ignores armor" would have expected

although individual numbers are relative, which makes them completely arbitrary, so it's really the dumbest thing to ever focus on

[modest condor]

iirc condemn did like 7% more damage than execute or something?

after armor reduction

[river hare]

Interesting lol

[modest condor]

the main power was the added above 80% damage and the absorb, not so much the execute phase damage

in fact, because ashen juggernaut was halved for venthyr, it actually did less execute damage than the other covenants

[edgy widget]

Yeah, that's what I was outlining above - it was much more minor difference than the "ignores armor" would imply

same thing w/ changing OF from Fire to Physical in Dragonflight being largely a matter of flavor since they just increased its coefficient to compensate

[dense elbow]

Fire looks cool, and got some benefit for PvP, the two reasons.
Not to mention, they could turn OF to fire, and it would be fine

That button needs help either way

:v

[restive peak]

Funky is in fuckin shambles without OF

Buff Onslaught, remove OF

[sour frigate]

[dense elbow]

I am fine

OF is a solid 4-5% of my dps

It is great

It does good dam

its fine

everything is fine

[south kayak]

Damn

he is losing it

[dense elbow]

Once I get out of the bad habbit of pressing OF in ST, I will save myself some 0.x% dps too

See, it is all on the up'n'up

[restive peak]

Funky needs a doctor

[edgy widget]

not much of a benefit in PvP as you'd think

[dense elbow]

Oh I remember condemn in PvP, it deleted the armor lovers and they did the /w after
Not used to get hit hard

Poor Hpaladins

[edgy widget]

you're right that they could change OF to fire and it would be "fine" in the sense that it would be an entirely cosmetic change - completely pointless from any performative perspective

[dense elbow]

Condemned

[clever belfry]

but bro the bosses in MC will be immune in my tmog runs???

[edgy widget]

the real reason they made it physical though was just to build thematic consistency, making Warriors the phsyical damage dealer class, as opposed to Ret, Enh, etc

[dense elbow]

Without arbitrarily nerfing the numbers, it would be a DPS buff tho, I would take any OF buffs at this point

[edgy widget]

doesn't really work like that, in fact last I checked Warlocks actually have the highest physical DR despite being a cloth class because of fucked up hidden k-values

[dense elbow]

Cause of Demon Armor, yap yap

[edgy widget]

cause of k-values

[dense elbow]

Wasnt Demon Armor the activator of that?

[edgy widget]

no it's a baseline thing

[south kayak]

Demon Armor does not exist anymore

[dense elbow]

Poor warlocks, no longer had to waste a talent and instead got it baseline

[edgy widget]

except nerfing the numbers wouldn't be arbitrary, it would be a purposeful change to maintain the tuning. What you're suggesting is just a raw buff under the guise of a flavor change, when simply increasing the coefficient by ~30% would accomplish the exact same thing

[dense elbow]

And why would they have to nerf OF, when it already is behind?

It would be closer to 20%, no? As 1/3rd is bleed

[edgy widget]

the bleed has a different coefficient

and your question is besides the point - you're changing the context of the conversation to fit your never-ending "buff OF" narrative and it's annoying

the topic of the conversation is why elemental damage vs physical damage is largely just smoke and mirrors, it's just flavor that's tuned out

it had nothing to do with OF being over or undertuned at the moment

[dense elbow]

Well, if your point is "things get balanced around the damage it does, no matter the damage type", we both agree

[edgy widget]

Yes that was my original point

[dense elbow]

I never disagreed, I just pointed out it got some value in PvP, and it does

and it was nice flavor

As I like fire

[edgy widget]

except it didn't really gain value in PvP, because armor doesn't actually work that way under the hood lol

and the flavor being nice is a matter of personal preference

[dense elbow]

Indeed it is

[edgy widget]

and all of this is getting away from the topic of conversation

[jade cipher]

The thing is and i've seen this across all of the specs i play. from start of expansion till its over blizzard kinda forces you to play all the talent and experience all of the playstyles

[dense elbow]

They do try to nudge you around, with tierset and reblancing. For sure.
It is also what ppl ask for

To keep things fresh

[jade cipher]

Right now we have design problems and i geniunly dont think its as easy to fix as one might think

[dense elbow]

Something in particular you thinking of?

[jade cipher]

they said they wanted to keep OF a good button on its own, but i think in order to do that despite the damage numbers you need easier way to reach it

things i lose to get of and the talent under it are not worth

i think titanic rage should be baseline and dancing blades a capstone

[dense elbow]

They likely just don't know exactly where to put it. They kind of dont want it to be a button for ST, and currently it is not. It is a DPS loss to press.
They want it to be a DPS increase on burst AoE, and it is.
It just is a bit too weak to carry it weight in consistent AoE value, as such falls behind any other option to bring.

We both agree the nodes got to be the targeted ones for buffs tho.

Maybe 5% overall, a bit of a gain in burst windows but an overall DPS loss is the design goal.

[restive peak]

I mean dancing blades is dogwater

And warr will likely remain here until we get a rework

[modest condor]

they kinda ruined OF by making it square root scaling past 5 ngl

[restive peak]

It was sad that they had the chance to realize our tree sucks when we didn't even take SD but ID still worked, and now we're back to needing SD

Effectively stealing a point from slayer again when our shit already sucks

[dense elbow]

The forced hand to have us take SD was a huge design flaw

[jade cipher]

ok so right now if i remove 2x swift strikes and put it in critical thinking while i remove 1 point if vicious contempt i can get OF in my current build

but the capstone means i lose either Hack and slash or vicious contempt or cold steel hot blood

[dense elbow]

You can get OF, just know it is a DPS loss. If you are not after that tiny amount of value it brings in a 15sec span before being a loss - dont bother.

[jade cipher]

in what world is that ever gonna work

[restive peak]

I mean technically not forcing SD was the flaw

But what it opened for us should've opened some eyes

[dense elbow]

I kinda disagree. They should have SD be a wanted talent in itself. When it also fails to be wanted in a hero spec based around execute, that is 100% design flaw.

[jade cipher]

well i dont wanna drive the argument down a rabbit hole but introducing hero talents that needs talent points in an already not so flexible spec talent is actually a design flaw

[dense elbow]

Now it is just talent point tax

[jade cipher]

i just liked something enraging me, Wether it was charing with recklessnes and RA into a rampage or fresh Meat or OF

charging into raging blow is "bleh" and its a personal opinion of mine

[dense elbow]

Sure, the loss of QoL is a feels bad

think most can agree

[restive peak]

I mean execute being weak is a different issue than SD being necessary for an SD focused hero tree

[dense elbow]

Why SD being so bad is the problem, not that you got to take it

[restive peak]

By design it SHOULD be necessary, similar to tclap being necessary for thane to function, but how weak it is is also an issue

I mean no, our tree as a whole has tons of issues

[dense elbow]

Sure - no disagreement there

[restive peak]

You're missing my point, I don't know how else to articulate it here

SD not being taken was a bug, it shouldn't have been that way; I'm saying I wish the fact that we needed that point to enable things had set off a lightbulb for blizz that our tree has issues.

Weakness or strength of different nodes/abilities is a separate issue.

[jade cipher]

and while we on the subject i dont like the New RA, i pressed it the other day and i was confused AF, what do i have to press? do i dump my rage into rampage and then Crushing blow till crit stacks pile up and then bloodbath? at least with old RA you knew its going to be rampage CB BB

[restive peak]

New RA is dogwater agreed

[dense elbow]

And I say SD was likely seen by design to be so vaulable in that spec it would be a nobrainer to take it. It having low to no value is the design problem. Not the lack of a forced hand.

[restive peak]

Well no it wasn't about the value, it was supposed to be REQUIRED

They fucked up

But them fucking up gave them a ton of available data on how much that extra point was needed by us

Is my point

Lots of low value talents are required across every class/spec

I mean druids have it 20x worse than us

[jade cipher]

well right now i'm doing my rotation wrong in dungeons, i charge and i macro Recklessness with Ravager on myself to be my first GCD into rampage and avatar roar as 3rd gcd

[restive peak]

Druid trees are a fuckin nightmare

You need to remove rav from your reck bind then, or be patient and get enraged first

Then send

[jade cipher]

but for me it eliminates some confusion

[dense elbow]

I kinda dislike the logic of "there are things worse designed, so this isnt flawed design"

[restive peak]

The difference in simply waiting 2 GCDs to send your CDs will not matter on basically any pack/fight

Every single node isn't going to be a banger

I am personally a believer that these talent trees were a huge fuckin mistake

The illusion of choice and the loss of things we've all always had as baseline

[restive peak]

So get enraged, then send CDs

[dense elbow]

Hm, ye, I can partly agree. I also think they open up more specialised design

They just got to get it down right

[restive peak]

The ONLY world where that matters if where a pack theoretically dies 2 GCDs before your CDs end

Which like...won't really happen, and if it does, the pack was a joke anyway

And you're obsessing on your personal overall too much

[edgy widget]

OFs issues aren't really with OF

[dense elbow]

We rolling it back to RB being too strong with all its moving pieces?

[restive peak]

The reason we reck charge on boss pull is because we typically lust it, and losing a few GCDs in lust could matter, but in M+ for example it's so miniscule

[quiet breach]

are these talent setups the same as the ones in ur raid specific guide? @edgy widget

[edgy widget]

I mean that's a big issue with Fury tuning atm yes, but more so that they just giga buffed all the rotational abilities at the expense of everything else

[restive peak]

RB is too strong

[edgy widget]

the raid specific guide isn't updated for Season 2 yet, since Season 2 content isn't actually out yet

[edgy widget]

that's season 1 (nerub-ar)

[dense elbow]

Gigabuffed everything, and nerfed the non-rotational to boot. It was kinda weird choice

[edgy widget]

they didn't really nerf the non-rotational

the -5% was nothing, it was just a quick and lazy response to "oh no we buffed the spec too much" without going through the effort of changing individual spells again

less than they buffed OF by, in fact

[restive peak]

Yeah they just buffed everything else beyond our capstone abilities

[quiet breach]

yeah I know but does it work like, you use the same single target slayer talent setup for all single target fights and the same multi target slayer setup for all multi target fights in any given raid?

[oblique trail]

That's not how it works

[restive peak]

For the most part Iskus, yeah

[oblique trail]

You change talents based on the fight

[restive peak]

Some fights have minor differences

[jade cipher]

yeah and it used to give 50 rage on activation. but personally i always did good damage while having my reckleness seperate from avatar and roar. its hard for me to play diffrent builds on fury, sometimes you easy enrage sometimes you dont, but i get what you mean and i try to get out of that whole musle memory fiesta of it

[restive peak]

Like dropping WW talents for rasha made sense

[edgy widget]

it depends - for the most part yes, you will play the ST build on ST fights and MT build on MT fights

but there may be fight specific differences

[dense elbow]

Dont worry Neon, you will get used to the new rotations and openers

Just takes some time

[edgy widget]

I'll have a Liberation of Undermine cheat sheet page similar to this one next week

[jade cipher]

Thanks for all the work you do archi despite having health issues

[restive peak]

This is just practice as an issue then, you'll just need to take some time at dummies and practice my man

[edgy widget]

the 50 rage on activation was from RA, so it technically still does, it's just not the prime talent anymore

[restive peak]

We all have to adjust a bit

Delete new RA

Agreed

[jade cipher]

yeah i'm aware but fury used to be my go to casual spec and arms a bit more into depth, now both seem not so laid back

[restive peak]

(noone else said this just agree with me)

[dense elbow]

Ok, I agree Lincc.

[restive peak]

Good call

[quiet breach]

so when ppl do high m+ keys are they constantly switching their talents between trash packs lol

[restive peak]

You cannot switch talents in M+

[humble plover]

I agree lincc

[quiet breach]

thank fukkin god

[restive peak]

Taters comin in strong

[dense elbow]

Luckilly, Fury isnt a spec that cares about respecing for ST in M+

ST is what we do either way

[jade cipher]

i liek the wowhead build better than what people were playing in PTr tho, spear means your only button that does damage higher than 5 target is TB?

[edgy widget]

I think Arms is a lot simpler now than in the past fwiw

Fury's S2 rotation is a mess though

[jade cipher]

while outlaw rouges always cried about 8 targets we are hard stuck at 5?

and if you say anything you are a warrior who always cries

i need a bit of aoe buttons man

[restive peak]

Colossus arms then

It's a banger

[humble plover]

Not enough swords

[dense elbow]

5t cap is fine, if we do the DPS to carry it, and got tools to carry our sustained AoE overall in m+

And we kinda do

[restive peak]

Fury has never and will never be about massive AOE on big pulls

Well, barring a rework

[dense elbow]

S1 launch, AOE burst

[willow cradle]

I haven't really kept up since I'm taking a break but how did they manage that lmao

[hardy shuttle]

Until you get the psycho rag DH tank who pulls them out of rage of every 3rd hit

[edgy widget]

everyone always has it worst; whatever class you're playing is objectively the worst most broken developer-hated thing

unless it's actually overtuned, and then it's where it's supposed to be and the inevitable nerf is a personal insult from devs who clearly don't know what they're doing

[humble plover]

I think I'm gonna enjoy fury this patch. Respectable aoe and nice st

[restive peak]

^

We're very strong, it's just a bit messy

Personally would love to see some re-tuning across the spec, but not a loss or increase

[dense elbow]

Well, not if you play monk, monks arent heard or seen. Not even by their own

[jade cipher]

well i agree with arms over fury, but we had some aoe buttons whilst they had some prio damage, now i think its a bit radical, fury higher prio arms much higher uncapped damage

[humble plover]

Poor monks. At least ww is solid and fun to play rn

[restive peak]

WW monk cranks bro

[quiet breach]

will there ever be a situation where I would have both whirlwind and thunderclap? is that even possible?

[jade cipher]

my plan for going into season is playing Arms slayer in raid and fury in dungeons no matter what

[restive peak]

Fury has always had better prio than arms in AOE spec

By the way

[jade cipher]

and crafting one dawn and one duskthread, rofl

[dense elbow]

Hell yea, Neon. Play it the way you want!

[jade cipher]

when you play thane, you replace your WW button with thunderclap

[humble plover]

I'm gonna play fury everywhere cause arms Is the poop and I don't enjoy playing it

[restive peak]

Furys strength in AOE/M+ is that we maintain so much of the ST we have while going AOE

[restive peak]

I recommend still having a WW button, there are rare instances where you run out of buttons or are running from a mechanic and can WW

[dense elbow]

Just get used to being poop till you get to bosses

[restive peak]

It's not common, but not a bad idea

[dense elbow]

Bosses is where we crawl back and show our value to the team effort

[quiet breach]

so it is impossible to have both

[jade cipher]

is it werid that after all this time playing warrior the only time i really enjoyed it was Fury in S3 TWW? but i played arms on some pulls of everbloom and fall and then walked out

[restive peak]

It is not, see my above comment

[jade cipher]

but most people hated that version of fury

[restive peak]

I loved S3 fury

Of DF

[humble plover]

Mans playing in the future

[restive peak]

It was goated

[willow cradle]

Damn you already have TWW season 3?

[dense elbow]

S3 Fury was alright, was a bit much after two seasons of it tho

[jade cipher]

i meant dragon flight boys calm down

[willow cradle]

Hehe

[jade cipher]

Wine has got to me

[dense elbow]

Enjoying that fine dine and wine, and skyhold yap

classy

[restive peak]

S3 DF was goated

Give me it back

[dense elbow]

Bad Monk takes inc

[jade cipher]

but in season 4 we went back into onslauht high apm build

[willow cradle]

Yeah DF Season 3 had my favourite Fury Tier set

It was so fun

[jade cipher]

ii believe myself to be a good warrior but i cant keep up with the changes as fast as i like to

[dense elbow]

Dont worry Neo, it is litteraly the 1st week

ya got plenty of time

[restive peak]

Yeah we aren't even into the season yet, don't stress

Some dummy time and you'll be good to go

[frank dawn]

honestly, S3 DF is kind of what we just have right now. They buffed OF and BT so much baseline. Even if OF is still bad atm

[humble plover]

I wasn't crazy about s3

[jade cipher]

Removing macros and pressing raging blow to get enrage scares me XD

[restive peak]

S3 goated

[humble plover]

That said I don't think I was crazy about any df fury :/

[jade cipher]

dude back then when boss went under 35% even in +30 keys you would carry the key

[dense elbow]

S3 had the "Press BT now!" phases tho, and that was kinda fun

We dont have that now

[frank dawn]

all phases are press BT now phases

xd

[dense elbow]

No big juicy BT crits to that extent tho, ya know what I meant

[frank dawn]

yeh yeh

[dense elbow]

[jade cipher]

in +30 waycrest the boss went under 35% and my team lusted i think on 51 second timer and we did it with 1 second remaining

i knew it was all me and that feeling of being unique is what i miss

Destroying that main target pack in pack out

[dense elbow]

Play Arms, arms great at execute. Or play Pwarr Col, and execute even harder

1.4m baseline execute pumps

[hardy shuttle]

We do that now

[frank dawn]

VC Fury execute is no slouch tho

[jade cipher]

every class can do that with 0 aoe buttons

[sour frigate]

Or play ench and be good whenever

[dense elbow]

There is my fav monk

o7

[humble plover]

Unironically I miss cahb crit fury from bfa. Had a lot of fun with that build

[sour frigate]

[jade cipher]

Arms doesnt have good execute in dungeons tbh. even with new slayer juggernaut build you lose tons of aoe and you need to whip yourself and repent when you drop the juggernaut stacks

[smoky vale]

?

[restive peak]

It does, it just has dogshit prio dmg 100-20 lol

[dense elbow]

Well, this kinda just loops back to what we said all the time. The problem is the damage profile, and it needs an adjustment to favor non-rotationals.
CSHB isn't very fun to play around, when it does basically no impactful damage.

[jade cipher]

and fury is so pug friendly, tanks and healers dont make you question your life choices as much

[sour frigate]

Lol

[smoky vale]

why would you ever play fury over arms

[jade cipher]

this is fury channel gio57

be gone

i meet you in arms channel in a sec

❤️

[smoky vale]

hi

[dense elbow]

You aint it

shoo

[smoky vale]

i just wanted to say hi

[sour frigate]

[dense elbow]

Sorry, I am grumpy cause keys treating my button badly

Hi Gio

[frank dawn]

btw, has blizzard said anything about coffer keys?

[smoky vale]

why do none of the eu players do 5 warrior keys

[frank dawn]

since the game is in a "season two state"

[sour frigate]

Gio jojo voice

[smoky vale]

smh

[dense elbow]

The biggest problem atm, is that the walls was breached with the retuning of keys. And all the hardstuck 11 ppl are coming into 15-16 range, and it is so bad to play

[smoky vale]

just do 5 warrior keys instead

have fun

[dense elbow]

I always invite as many warriors as sign up

Never 5

[smoky vale]

smh

[dense elbow]

[sour frigate]

Why not

[smoky vale]

we were up until like 5 am yapping in discord

[sour frigate]

15 are easier now

[dense elbow]

15s are basically a 10 in feel

Doesnt stop them from being trash tier players tho

[humble plover]

Yapplebee's

[torpid sand]

Would you guys choose Elemental or Enhanc as second spec 🤔

[smoky vale]

enh

[dense elbow]

Neither

[restive peak]

Always enh

[quiet breach]

I'm curious, is it possible to make a weakaura that tells u what button to press next? if so does blizzard not allow it?

imo that would be lame but I wouldnt be surprised with how amazing the weakauras addon is

[smoky vale]

just use hekili for that

[dense elbow]

Yes, it is possible, no it is not recommended as it want be a good way to learn the game

[restive peak]

Hekili does this, it has a few issues but it's useful while learning and building muscle memory

[dense elbow]

Fury doesnt need those silly secuity wheels

wth

[quiet breach]

... so blizzard just allows that?

[humble plover]

Fuck shamans. I'm gonna alt sp or ww. Can't decide yet tho

[quiet breach]

wtf

[dense elbow]

ye, they do

[restive peak]

Hekili is just the APL we use for sims put into an addon

[earnest canyon]

my WA tells me when abilities get buffed, and sorta priorities.....but its not full on like hekili, but i always felt like hekili cant keep up

[restive peak]

It's just to learn muscle mem, I'd say use it and do dummy stuff for 1-2 hrs when you can hyper focus on it while learning

Then remove it so you focus on mechanics in real world

[dense elbow]

Hm, fine that is more fair

[quiet breach]

doesn't that like, remove a huge part of the skill ceiling

[jade cipher]

Wow is not a competetive game as much as people want to believe it is and many things goes, in an actual competetive game you wouldnt drastically change classes mid season after people made choices

[dense elbow]

No, ceiling remains

floor gets moved tho

[torpid sand]

wtf is this shit new?

[dense elbow]

44% O_O

[sour frigate]

I do ele

[restive peak]

No because if you're staring at hekili in an M+ you will die, and it will also not tell you to use defensives etc

It's a learning tool

[earnest canyon]

@quiet breach would this help? Its not my WA btw, i just use his stuff across all classes as he updates it

https://media.wago.io/screenshots/SkBHabbrQ/669fe63c4e9c4c470ac15b51.gif

[torpid sand]

ngl probably it's raider IO

[dense elbow]

[earnest canyon]

its just under my char and not laggy like hekili

[quiet breach]

ok, I will use it to learn then

[jade cipher]

i think its bugged check mine out

[restive peak]

Can confirm I also use luxthos

[dense elbow]

329%

holey

[sour frigate]

Balls

[restive peak]

Yeah like I say, grab it, throw it next to your char, go to dummies and practice

As the muscle memory starts to click and you're using it less, delete it

[dense elbow]

CPU said goodbye and sent in its whole extended family generation

[earnest canyon]

if you want a WA try this
https://wago.io/LuxthosWarriorWarWithin

you still need to know your rotation, but it shows when you have enough rage, when abilities are buffed, when your defensives are on CD

[quiet breach]

thx, pasted this to my server

[jade cipher]

guys i have a question for all of us to ponder

[dense elbow]

To be, or not to be?

[jade cipher]

is it more optimal to have arms gear or fury gear

if you want to play both

[earnest canyon]

i go for fury gear

[dense elbow]

Both? Both. Both is good.

[restive peak]

If you're playing both, fury gear

[earnest canyon]

cos fury sucks without mastery and haste, and arms can cope

[jade cipher]

i would say haste over mastery a bit then no?

[restive peak]

You can play arms moderately well w fury gear, it does not work well when swapped

[earnest canyon]

but im casual

[quiet breach]

when did HEKILI first come out?

[dense elbow]

Crit/Haste, so you can go Pwarrior, the real M+ spec

[jade cipher]

i think if i go haste mastery and make 2x crit embelishment

i'm golden

[prime wind]

Is there a reason people are running anger management instead of reckless abandon? what changed

[jade cipher]

Ra is on recklessness than rampage, and its fonky

[late shale]

Also whats the point with the rotation, do we hit bloodthirst only when nothing is left

[prime wind]

was it changed this patch?

[jade cipher]

yes

[prime wind]

oh

[jade cipher]

i personally deslike it and i'm happy its doing less damage

when you recklesness its confusing what to press

[earnest canyon]

try that WA i just linked....its perfectly obvious to me, but im doing maybe 80% of a perfect rotation lol....maybe that is generous

[prime wind]

I see, thanks

so AM is new meta for both slayer and thane now

[jade cipher]

No i mean i cant make sense of wether i dump my rage or i crushing blow or bloodbath, and when new targets are introduced, like 2 targets or 5 targets it gets more confusing

the priority list is my issue

and i refuse to learn it cuz it does less damage XD

[late shale]

Same im struggling with the priority as well

[earnest canyon]

learn what?

[runic pine]

Press buttons

[jade cipher]

With old RA you knew that rage doesnt matter, you pressed rampage and you had to use both CB and BB before you could rampage again

right now its not the case

they are always ready

and your rage is 130 because of reckleness

its bonkers

[runic pine]

I mean with AM you ramp and press buttons in between ramps

What more is there to think about

[prime wind]

not always, sometimes it was better to lose on of the stacks if you were rage capping

[late shale]

But do u ever press bloodthirst if crushing is up

[jade cipher]

i refuse to believe so my good sir

[prime wind]

as mountain thane at least, haven't played slayer in a while

[dense elbow]

Rampage to enrage before you RA, then spam BB on CD, and fill with CB, Ramp if you run out of CB stacks and BB is on CD.
This be the RA way, ye?

[prime wind]

I see a lot of fury warriors do considerable less damage because they focus too much on that

[devout totem]

that what the APL is teeling us

[runic pine]

You don’t get CB without RA no?

[jade cipher]

i am talking about OLD RA on rampage

[jade cipher]

i think Crushing has more prio for slayer RA at least

[runic pine]

So why are you asking about whether you bloodthirst or CB with AM

[devout totem]

that was also the case

[jade cipher]

you CB to get high crit then use bb

[devout totem]

in rare edge cases

[dense elbow]

BB is limited by CD, tho, CB is limited by charges. If you spend your charges and then BB, you dont get that space to regain charges in between. Hms hms

[runic pine]

Seems pretty straightforward

[dense elbow]

Talent it with RA

[fading sky]

Straight?

[late shale]

Tnx mate this is what I needed

[prime wind]

from watching top players it's always thunderous roar before reck, as to not waste a gcd. is it different now?

[fading sky]

No

[runic pine]

Idk this is Archi’s guide

Ask him

[dense elbow]

Did you change the talents to reflect RA being taken?

Here ya go

[ruby badge]

Are we maxing slaughtering strikes after every bladestorm or just using all our raging blow charges then sending at 3ish.

[fading sky]

Send all the rbs

[dense elbow]

SS stack minmax only matter in PvP, for kill potential. In PvE it is a 0.2-0.4% minmax, with the potential of losing DPS playing around it. So not worth

[fading sky]

Just send all the rbs u can? Then rampage

[crimson bay]

How big of a gap between arms and fury now?

[coarse nest]

About 1 inch

[dense elbow]

Noone really knows, raid aint out. In keys, they about equal. Different damage profile values tho. Fury doing more prio

Arms got more mass AoE, if that needs to be mentioned

[prime wind]

Might have to bite the bullet and try arms

are the main stats different? haven't looked yet into arms

[runic pine]

But why? Isn’t AM better now?