Not at all
#fury
undone flower
restive peak
I'm pretty sure fellowship beta is just 1/10th of the classes or something they said
clever belfry
a 15 key, even if it was, is still infinetly repeatable
restive peak
Maybe not that many, but thee are more than 5
a 15 is equal to like the 1st few bosses
undone flower
And myth raid it 100% depends on WHICH bosses
gleaming siren
Okay wish granted, you're limited to 10 keys per week now to roll loot for and you have a 10% chance at loot)
whole yacht
I'm not sure about the closed initial beta. But the 2 weekend most recent open beta you could make private lobbies
restive peak
If they ever did it, it'd be capped to 1 high drop a week and be like +18
oblique trail
I didn't have issues with it this season ever, but I also didn't get a single Myth track weapon until way later that'd actually eat most of your stones
restive peak
Then you'd complain 18s are too hard
clever belfry
Okay wish granted, you're limited to 10 keys per week now to roll loot for and y...
shut up monkey paw
gleaming siren
shut up monkey paw
Shut up!!!
thick fossil
gleaming siren
When is @warm crag coming for Skyhold Döner tour
vernal laurel
Okay wish granted, you're limited to 10 keys per week now to roll loot for and y...
I dont see why wow cant be more sandboxy, where Myth loot from M+ should be locked behind a random weekly vault. Outdated game design
sage ridge
Is it really important to stack Slaughtering Strikes for Brutal Finish? Kinda seems weird to be sending raging blows over rampage
vernal laurel
Should definitely be some way to get it deterministicly
undone flower
Even with 20% guile mmmmh 
gleaming siren
Is it really important to stack Slaughtering Strikes for Brutal Finish? Kinda se...
it's a sub-1% gain
restive peak
Because WoW has always been about raiding, the gear is meant to make reclears easier etc once you've achieved the result
gleaming siren
do with that what you want
summer quail
I dont see why wow cant be more sandboxy, where Myth loot from M+ should be lock...
when loot ends up too accessible it makes it feel less important. there needs to be a sweetspot
vernal laurel
Because WoW has always been about raiding, the gear is meant to make reclears ea...
Also outdated i feel, M+ is the most popular game mode no? Not counting LFR
restive peak
If you want to be in the best gear, you do the hardest content
There is noone gated by mythic gear
gleaming siren
Also outdated i feel, M+ is the most popular game mode no? Not counting LFR
Not since Delves
At least
gleaming siren
but also.. nah
gleaming siren
Also just craft gear lol
summer quail
if outdoor content, mount farming etc counts as content. then that is the most popular content
gleaming siren
Crafted gear is OP again
whole yacht
I think the loot system is fine as is. But I DO think some of the giga rare bis items shouldn't be so hard to get. I went the entire tier without getting my 2nd bis trinket
vernal laurel
if outdoor content, mount farming etc counts as content. then that is the most p...
Fair, that is true
gleaming siren
just craft every slot who cares
restive peak
There has never been a key level I've done, even 31s in SL etc, that was as difficult as the CE boss of a tier on prog
Not even close
undone flower
if outdoor content, mount farming etc counts as content. then that is the most p...
*complaining in obscure blizzard forum
vernal laurel
when loot ends up too accessible it makes it feel less important. there needs to...
Yes, but when loot is entirely random, it is not even close to the sweetspot
restive peak
And every season, people get title in all heroic and vault loot
thick fossil
There has never been a key level I've done, even 31s in SL etc, that was as diff...
31 Plague, S1.
restive peak
Yeah, we're getting dinars back, which is the perfect option
vernal laurel
Yeah, we're getting dinars back, which is the perfect option
It is, if we dont get it like 4 months in
clever belfry
And every season, people get title in all heroic and vault loot
every season people get WF with hc items equipped
restive peak
That's when it should be
coarse nest
I think people find M+ so hard because theyve never played with a organized team
warped bone
Anybody know if Valor will reset again on weekly reset? Already went to 0 yday.
vernal laurel
Needs to be like 1 the first month, second the second month and so on
restive peak
every season people get WF with hc items equipped
^
whole yacht
It is, if we dont get it like 4 months in
11.1.5
restive peak
1 in the 1st month would be stupid as hell
"Hey here's your mythic BIS item when you're still stuck on 14s/boss 5 of mythic"
Like what
vernal laurel
"Hey here's your mythic BIS item when you're still stuck on 14s/boss 5 of mythic...
It starts at the lowest itlvl
restive peak
Imagine having mythic BIS 4 weeks in when you aren't even progging the boss who drops it yet
edgy widget
Yeah that’s be too early
vernal laurel
You would need to spend all your resources into it
restive peak
Yeah, everyone would just sit crests for that day and insta-cap it
undone flower
They still can do the thing where you can only spend dinar on bosses you killed 
edgy widget
I mean crests are tiered, so not really an issue
restive peak
That wouldn't solve anything, you'd just sit your dinars then
radiant plank
They still can do the thing where you can only spend dinar on bosses you killed ...
yes please
restive peak
And then complain you can't use them
edgy widget
You’d spend the same resources on it that you’d spend on any drop in that slot
restive peak
Raiding will always be the apex of the game, and it should be
edgy widget
Just more valorstones, which should not be a factor
restive peak
Coordinating 20 people on the hardest bosses is far harder than any M+
undone flower
Raiding will always be the apex of the game, and it should be
That’s why season 1 started with the raid week not with m+ week
whole yacht
Coordinating 20 people on the hardest bosses is far harder than any M+
HWAT
edgy widget
Raiding is way more complicated than M+
vernal laurel
Coordinating 20 people on the hardest bosses is far harder than any M+
Ok correct me if I am wrong, cause i genuinly do not know, but dont guilds just sell Mythic raids later on in the season+
restive peak
Like intensely more complicated lmao
People sell high keys too
People sell everything
vernal laurel
Do people sell +18 keysa as well?
whole yacht
Raiding is way more complicated than M+
I know. I'm just bored and memeing
edgy widget
Ok correct me if I am wrong, cause i genuinly do not know, but dont guilds just ...
People sell M+ in the first week lol
whole yacht
Do people sell +18 keysa as well?
Yes
radiant plank
for approx same price
edgy widget
I’ve never seen a M+ WA coordination boss like Broodkeeper though
slim coral
Halondrus
edgy widget
Or Anduin style collision mechanics
slim coral
whole yacht
Brood was aids with the weakaura bloat
restive peak
I did more pulls on brood than I did M+ dungeons this season
edgy widget
Or halondrus coordination in m+ lol
radiant plank
"weakaura bloat"
restive peak
CE+title
radiant plank
but its just one WA
craggy sleet
Yall ever try cancelling ur wow sub?? Harder than any raid imo
edgy widget
One WA, 14 children lol
whole yacht
Brother. It's 1 weakaura that does 100000 things.
restive peak
Like I literally did more pulls on the 5th raid boss than ENTIRE M+ RUNS
feral ivy
thats wild
restive peak
Fuck that's depressing to type out
vernal laurel
Like intensely more complicated lmao
Ok fair enough, I just know people that have CE but that would absolutely not be able to clear a +15 key for example. Guess the coordination really is the hard part
feral ivy
lol
coarse nest
You could probably buy famed CE from RWF guilds in the first month
restive peak
But it highlights how much harder prog raiding is
coarse nest
You just need a lot of gold
whole yacht
Like I literally did more pulls on the 5th raid boss than ENTIRE M+ RUNS
How many pulls on brood?
edgy widget
M+ may scale higher than raid in terms of raw numbers, but there’s no shot anyone seriously things M+ is more complicated than M raiding
restive peak
They would absolutely be able to clear a +15 if they put the same prep into keys as they did the CE boss
radiant plank
You could probably buy famed CE from RWF guilds in the first month
China laready does this
restive peak
How many pulls on brood?
150 or something? Can't remember
edgy widget
And tbf way less people actually push those high of keys anyway
undone flower
Ok fair enough, I just know people that have CE but that would absolutely not be...
If you say literally a 15, yes they will do because they will coordinate together better than pugs
edgy widget
China laready does this
China does it during the RWF 
slim coral
Technically I progged a RWF boss
radiant plank
Technically I progged a RWF boss
same
slim coral
Might not have killed it but it counts
radiant plank
wr9 ovinax 
whole yacht
150 or something? Can't remember
Word
edgy widget
Every single player in those RWF is piloting someone else’s acc
thick fossil
and m+ title
Sad, but true.
feral ivy
150 or something? Can't remember
thats not bad i was expecting somthing else
edgy widget
They make insane money off the RWF
vernal laurel
M+ may scale higher than raid in terms of raw numbers, but there’s no shot anyon...
Nah not more complicated, but I would argue a +15 for example is more taxing on the player himself
coarse nest
Getting to boss 5 as world 500 guild when world 1-10 guilds are still on it feels odd
edgy widget
Nah not more complicated, but I would argue a +15 for example is more taxing on ...
Depending on your role maybe, but prob not
restive peak
No shot
Having DPS'd both, I never have as many jobs in any M+ key as I do on a CE boss
edgy widget
Like yeah there are some fights where certain players can just kinda coast
restive peak
In the sense of what I have to react to etc
edgy widget
But def not all
restive peak
M+ is kick X, pop defensive here, stun Y
radiant plank
Having DPS'd both, I never have as many jobs in any M+ key as I do on a CE boss
Also in keys as dps your job is to literally mark one guy as focus for kicks and do your dps rotation
undone flower
Having DPS'd both, I never have as many jobs in any M+ key as I do on a CE boss
Thanks blizzard I never saw ansurek with 4 web blades
edgy widget
And don’t stand in Z
restive peak
CE boss is dodge this, avoid that, react to this mechanic on it, avoid the other mechanic this guy had, swap to this, kick that
A CE boss in the top let's say....100 world takes 300+ pulls
runic violet
I have a memory of gold fish.
restive peak
If you do the same key 30x in a day, you will pass 15
coarse nest
Raiding is significantly harder and always will be because coordinating 20 people is so much harder than 5
restive peak
Assuming you are a CE level player
summer quail
raid also has enrage. and yes i know there are rare m+ bosses that has pseudo enrages
honest sundial
Renown 7 plate boots with intellect
vernal laurel
CE boss is dodge this, avoid that, react to this mechanic on it, avoid the other...
Its a lot of mechanics for sure, I just think it feels more like a prepared dance you know, unlike m+ which can be a lot more chaotic in my expericene, even in coordinated groups.
radiant plank
Also if a CE or Hof level player put the same amount of hours to pushing keys as they do to progging a raid
all of them could get title
radiant plank
m+ you have the pulls already laid out for you, you even have a mrt note laid out for each pull and boss too
There is nothing thats not planned in a key
restive peak
Max was talking about this the other day, how it's stupid when people say the skills aren't interchangeable
radiant plank
Unless you decide to not plan it
restive peak
Yeah a key literally becomes robotic
I know my job before the 1st pull through to the end, it never changes
vernal laurel
M+ is just as prepared of a dance
Might just be my exeperience then, but one extra pack being pulled or something being absuredly bugged long into the m+ season feels way more chaotic than wiping on a raid fight because larry forgot to stand in the circle
feral ivy
damn i had to google a word that was just said
restive peak
An absurd bug would wipe you in both cases, and pulling an extra pack in a title key will also wipe you
radiant plank
Skill issue
edgy widget
Clearly you’ve never seen any of the chaos when things go wrong in raid
radiant plank
if u pull unplanned pakcs
restive peak
That's a mistake and a skill issue
edgy widget
Usually because when things go wrong in raid y’all insta wipe lol
oblique trail
You will definitely notice quickly if 2 circles get popped instantly in Ansurek P1
coarse nest
I’m so excited for the Weakaura bosses this tier, those are my favorite!
undone flower
Man the garbage boss this tier is going to make for some great clips
Play AM on him, trust me
radiant plank
They even spoke about the difficulty ladder in a recent interview. Normal raid if you fail mechanic, you take alot of damage. Heroic Raid if you fail you probably die. Mythic raid if you fail your entire raid dies
feral ivy
I’m so excited for the Weakaura bosses this tier, those are my favorite!
i dont see any bosses looking like to be a wa boss other then the slot machine one telling u who to kill 1st
vernal laurel
Usually because when things go wrong in raid y’all insta wipe lol
I guess that makes the difference, instant wipe and go again in raid. If we fail the key we have to do homework sadge
undone flower
No more homework really this tier
There is still homework keys
vernal laurel
No more homework really this tier
Kinda, still have to do the one
coarse nest
i dont see any bosses looking like to be a wa boss other then the slot machine o...
Oh don’t worry there will be atleast one that’s horrid
The new trend
restive peak
Not nearly as bad as before
undone flower
It’s just your homework key can’t go down AGAIN
restive peak
Slot machine boss won't really be a WA boss either, people always get assigned to adds
edgy widget
I guess that makes the difference, instant wipe and go again in raid. If we fail...
I mean not necessarily no, you certainly won’t push the highest end competitively, but there are a lot of circumstances where wiping in M+ can still finish the key, even on time
vernal laurel
Not nearly as bad as before
Sure, just wished that they had gone all out and made keys not deplete at all, but I know that is polarizing
sour frigate
Do we get an egg boss?
restive peak
Problem with that is sales become even more of a problem
I understand their decision
Someone buys your 17 > wipe > keep resetting until eventually the buyer figures it out
edgy widget
I’m fine with failure having a penalty
restive peak
^
vernal laurel
I mean not necessarily no, you certainly won’t push the highest end competitivel...
Absolutely, but in most (all?) keys over a +15 a wipe means failure in both my and others experience
restive peak
Nope, tons of 17s timed with wipes this tier
Even higher by the big bois
It depends where the wipe is and in what context
narrow fossil
hello guys in aoe do you use dragon roar or odyn 1st?
restive peak
Wiped on a huge pull right as you pressed lust and all your DPS presses their offensive CDS?
sour frigate
U dont use odyn in aoe
river reef
Banezio speaks german 
restive peak
Probably fucked
undone flower
Great push 12 death DB 18 HUM
vernal laurel
I’m fine with failure having a penalty
Yeah, but not penalty that makes you do content you have already cleared all over again. I just want to throw my head against the challenge until i beat it, but I get that not everyone is like that
restive peak
Wiped on a random side pull and got back quick with nothing wasted? Fine
edgy widget
M+ doesn’t have nearly as many instafail mechanics either
narrow fossil
U dont use odyn in aoe
Is not worth now?
feral ivy
anyone know if world quest going to reset its been since tuesday ive done mine and i still dont see any
edgy widget
Raid is absolutely over saturated with them
sour frigate
Is not worth now?
Yep numbers are bad
sour frigate
😦
river reef
ODYN
vernal laurel
I like odyn
😦
restive peak
Bro Mugzee on mythic is gonna be wiiiiild
edgy widget
OF actually is still strong in AoE, but you’re giving up more ST for it
river reef
Bro Mugzee on mythic is gonna be wiiiiild
people said the same thing about court
edgy widget
High possibility you’ll play it on some early MT raid fights
sour frigate
To pad
vernal laurel
OF actually is still strong in AoE, but you’re giving up more ST for it
What % do you think they need to boost it to be competetive again?
river reef
(never did m court)
edgy widget
But once you get to the point of everything dying during Bladestorm, you won’t need it
restive peak
M court was actually a banger
But I can see how as you dropped ranking, it became garbage
radiant plank
Bro Mugzee on mythic is gonna be wiiiiild
lmk if u want some talents for the new raid
got prepped for all bosses for arms
restive peak
lmk if u want some talents for the new raid
Gib arms now
undone flower
(never did m court)
I rank court as my second favorite boss of the raid lol
river reef
that must be a mythic thing
edgy widget
What % do you think they need to boost it to be competetive again?
It’s not really an issue of raw numbers, it’s stronger now than it was before, but they buffed rotational abilities by a ton, which changed the distribution of damage
radiant plank
Gib arms now
do u have talent loadout EX
vernal laurel
I rank court as my second favorite boss of the raid lol
Felt like a FF14 fight, was fun
river reef
kyveza was easily the best boss of the raid
restive peak
do u have talent loadout EX
Since I have no idea what that is, I do not
coarse nest
Oh man linc!
restive peak
Kyveza was a banger
coarse nest
You need that
radiant plank
Since I have no idea what that is, I do not
edgy widget
Let’s you store more talent load outs
coarse nest
Talentloadoutex is so much better than default system
edgy widget
I’ve never needed it, but many like it
restive peak
I just do my talents manually like a peasant usually
undone flower
kyveza was easily the best boss of the raid
I didn’t like kyvesa im an ovinax enjoyer but (im a late CE raider)
radiant plank
summer quail
I rank court as my second favorite boss of the raid lol
it's wild how different opinions can be. for me it was probably my least liked fight of all time. or right behind council of dreams
coarse nest
Tmy has copy pastes for all the sim builds they used
vernal laurel
It’s not really an issue of raw numbers, it’s stronger now than it was before, b...
Yeah, I know most capstones and special abilites are lackluster right now. I would have hoped that they would add better capstone talents to OF to make it good again
oblique trail
Banezio speaks german <a:pogox:1326809946997919805>
Involuntarily so I know a bit
coarse nest
And you just copy paste one line into talent loadout ex and then you’re done
warm crag
Involuntarily so I know a bit
:)
river reef
I didn’t like kyvesa im an ovinax enjoyer but (im a late CE raider)
ovinax was scuffed as hell - hated the boss (im also a 6/8m enjoyer)
restive peak
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/talent-loadout-ex
We have recieved it
warm crag
outrageous behaviour
summer quail
Kyveza was a banger
kyveza intermission very fun
coarse nest
Those your own or did Tmy update his string!?
radiant plank
Those your own or did Tmy update his string!?
my own
feral ivy
?? how is it harder when ur by ur self in intermission?
undone flower
Oh maybe if I contextualize my kyve prog : we were 12 melees (counting tanks)
river reef
river reef
12 melees on kyveza what the fuck
undone flower
Let me grab the kill log maybe it’s 11 I don’t’ remember it was November
warm crag
12 melees is diseased
coarse nest
We had 11 melee this tier including tanks
It’s so packed and god awful
Hopefully more ranged this tier
slim coral
Dinars are gonna be tied to horrific visions guys it makes since
undone flower
There were a zone called the Vietnam
coarse nest
Seems like a lot of re rollers so it should be a more even split
river reef
We had 9 including tanks
feral ivy
^ same
summer quail
Hopefully more ranged this tier
prob will be. lots of talk about it being the most melee unfriendly tier ever. but i feel like that gets said alot and then it turns out fine
feral ivy
but for some reason i would always see a dead priest in meele group
coarse nest
prob will be. lots of talk about it being the most melee unfriendly tier ever. b...
Yeah people say every tier is melee unfriendly, my guess is because of raid testing but honestly it never is really that bad
undone flower
Maybe 10 melees finally, i don’t remember if monk heal became range yet (yes i died in our first kill)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PZ4CxyDp268g3BXf?fight=59&type=damage-done
coarse nest
It’s only made bad when you have 10+ melee
Ideally 2 tanks 5 melee
But even some healers prefer melee now
And then evokers
It’s just a crowded shit show sometimes
feral ivy
im lost by this
coarse nest
im lost by this
Fake news
undone flower
somehow daggers still killed more people than intermission
Man you see the melees spec in the Vietnam zone (where I am next to dk and ret pala) ofc we don’t die
The only dude dying was the enh sham because he couldn’t eat 2 regicide
undone flower
Éclipse
river reef
free retpaladin wings
undone flower
river reef
rich veldt
Returning to warrior for this season, are we cooked or decent?
river reef
warrior looks fine
undone flower
It looks brown
undone flower
In English brown steak is cooked ?
rich veldt
Play it every season and fk a tier list btw
Same but I caved in last season
river reef
arent most steaks brown if you cook them
undone flower
Or well done (idk)
coarse nest
arent most steaks brown if you cook them
Brown on the outside and pink on the inside
Peak steak
undone flower
Yeah was more talking about the inside
What is it called in English if it’s brown inside
undone flower
Idk how you would like it
arctic nebula
so renown 7 for cartel of undermine giving some plate boots with no option for strength, that's nice 😭
undone flower
Yes medium rare I just saw rare is almost uncooked
river reef
everything above medium is a warcrime
coarse nest
Medium rare +1
vernal laurel
Is warrior medium rare?
undone flower
And no, I don’t like steak tartare even tho I’m French
feral ivy
can someone link s1 dungeon wa... i deleted mine and i cant find any only s2 lol
vernal laurel
Brown on the outside, ret pally on the inside when they reroll?
oak peak
If already geared, is there anything worth doing in the new zone, power-wise, beyond the campaign?
undone flower
If already geared, is there anything worth doing in the new zone, power-wise, be...
I gathered* carved crests
oak peak
How do you do that?
undone flower
You do weeklies
oak peak
Ahh makes sense
undone flower
And if your char is an alt you can grab season 1 rep rewards it is season 2 crests
next ruin
Since fury has now a very flat damage profile, which class now has a very bursty damage profile? (melee character) thank you
undone flower
Since fury has now a very flat damage profile, which class now has a very bursty...
I guess the first spec on ovinax rn (if burst AoE)
vernal laurel
Since fury has now a very flat damage profile, which class now has a very bursty...
sub rogue
next ruin
I guess the first spec on ovinax rn (if burst AoE)
Aoe or st, I wanna try a very bursty class that's it
undone flower
I think sub is THE burst spec yes
vernal laurel
I think Sub might be the burstiest even, they do negative dmg outside cds
undone flower
You have 0 dmg outside of cd tho
iron portal
I think they might have 0 dmg outside cds guys
next ruin
I'll look into sub rogue, any other recommendation?
undone flower
I just remember that dh was the dude behind me on rash so maybe look into that too
summer gust
Given the weak outlook and sims for Surv Hunter, looking to make a switch over to warrior for S2. Curious to understand which is the simpler of the two specs to pick up between Arms and Fury? Or doesn't really make a difference?
vernal laurel
Given the weak outlook and sims for Surv Hunter, looking to make a switch over t...
Fury is easier, arms is harder.
Both are pretty easy tbh, arms just has more buttons and dmg windows to learn
Both do good dmg both in aoe and ST atm, so just pick which one feels more fun to play for you
past pivot
Fury is easier, Arms is slower, you mean.
vernal laurel
Fury is easier, Arms is slower, you mean.
True, but I find it harder to play than fury. Need to be more methodical and line things up
That being said, both are quite easy in the grand scheme of things.
undone flower
Given the weak outlook and sims for Surv Hunter, looking to make a switch over t...
Fury is simpler to pick up, really basic (that’s what I like as prot that raid in dps)
queen linden
Tell you all what. Fury felt great on queen last night.
Can't wait to get nerfed next week
last sparrow
yeah we just did first 4 last night
felt very unethical at times
imo AM makes the spec so much more fun
queen linden
Now hopefully they don't over correct us and throw us back to the bottom
queen linden
imo AM makes the spec so much more fun
Didn't bother with AM last night. Icba to learn new CD timings the last time I'm doing NP
RA went hard tho.
undone flower
Can't wait to get nerfed next week
Copium : it’s Blizzard’s apology for S1 
queen linden
Keep coping 🤧
vernal laurel
We really do not need to be nerfed, hope they dont overreact like last season
smoky vale
scroll down more
smoky vale
am i there
feral ivy
gio warrior name?
undone flower
Parrygodx
warm crag
Loboz
feral ivy
not on 1st page
undone flower
It’s celicax his warrior name
feral ivy
nah not 1st page
smoky vale
feral ivy
this is post season this week only
smoky vale
can you send the link to that
undone flower
lol half are prot war
feral ivy
not a lot of arms
smoky vale
oh i havent done ara kara
undone flower
Thanks god the season I might push, prot war will get destroyed nerfed so I will be the only dude playing it
smoky vale
lol
feral ivy
i wanted to play arms to give my fingers a rest lol but playing colossus just seems like playing with fyrak wep all over again and i died to that wepon cast A LOT
undone flower
Thane prot is also slower
quiet breach
would y'all consider fury to be easy, medium, or hard to execute well in a raid and mythic+ environment?
feral ivy
like to live or dps?
feral ivy
true true. i dont play arms so i cant say vs them but fury is tanky and can take some hits so i think its easy
undone flower
would y'all consider fury to be easy, medium, or hard to execute well in a raid ...
Easy
quiet breach
I heard that fury DPS is a carpal tunnel spec is that true
feral ivy
ehhhhh
quiet breach
like u have to spam so many buttons it makes ur hands hurt
hardy bluff
its just like every other global locked spec tbh
feral ivy
rogues and fury warrior are the same some ppl say. with play style
undone flower
I heard that fury DPS is a carpal tunnel spec is that true
@sour frigate the apm sim screen pls
feral ivy
is assa a pvp spec?
undone flower
It’s a rogue spec
quiet breach
in a raid environment do u switch between arms and fury depending on the fight?
feral ivy
no
undone flower
If you want
hardy bluff
you can
feral ivy
u can but pointless
undone flower
I don’t because i don’t want to play arms
feral ivy
^ bad transmogs
quiet breach
do top tier warriors switch?
undone flower
And I guess for some arms players is vis versa
quiet breach
like in top guilds
feral ivy
nope
critcake only one i know that switches but hes a streamer and i think thats what streamers do
undone flower
do top tier warriors switch?
In top guilds they play every classes / a lot of classes
smoky vale
that was yesterday in a 13 sv
feral ivy
oh wait is that dmg or tank
smoky vale
tank
quiet breach
would you say fury warrior has higher apm than havok dh
smoky vale
why does apm matter
quiet breach
why does apm matter
it doesn't I'm tryna decide what class to play
haven't played retail in like a decade
feral ivy
warriors are simple easy to start off DH are not a good start.. dying to dashes or jump backs
undone flower
Nah someone talked about carpal tunnel, I think bobzillah knows how to see sim apm
quiet breach
I played classic on and off in the last years but not retail
undone flower
Or maybe it’s someone else who posted apm for every spec couple weeks ago
sour frigate
<@880840724193624135> the apm sim screen pls
undone flower
Thanks
quiet breach
warriors are simple easy to start off DH are not a good start.. dying to dashes ...
I think I will start with warrior then and I'll make a dh later if I feel like
sour frigate
table of contents > actions per minute
undone flower
Yeah they are fucked I think
feral ivy
Idk what I’m looking at lol
undone flower
I’ll search the screen you send to give him general idea
It was idk when, some might have change a bit now @quiet breach
feral ivy
i played guardian druid for a bit and i dont feel like they press alot.... unless i wasnt pressing a lot
undone flower
i played guardian druid for a bit and i dont feel like they press alot.... unles...
Iron fur is off gcd
sour frigate
press iron fur
smoky vale
ip
undone flower
So specs with lot of off gcd buttons have higher apm bc, they have more than just gcd buttons
sour frigate
ip sb
undone flower
But 100% it is lower now as prot it was couple weeks ago
Or maybe bob can context when he send this one
sour frigate
?
undone flower
If it was ptr sim
undone flower
Okok so it is a little bit lower now for prot
feral ivy
this is weird to say but they dont have have higher apm they just have a cd that alowes them to press 1 button 30million times
undone flower
this is weird to say but they dont have have higher apm they just have a cd that...
And if they press it 30 million times per min, what apm they have ?
sour frigate
Okok so it is a little bit lower now for prot
the link i posted has prot way lower ☠️
undone flower
the link i posted has prot way lower ☠️
Yeah but fury has 4
feral ivy
And if they press it 30 million times per min, what apm they have ?
yea but that cd is only once every 2mins no?
sour frigate
this is weird to say but they dont have have higher apm they just have a cd that...
limited by resourse generation/cd
undone flower
yea but that cd is only once every 2mins no?
Basically just think tanks have the tank rotation in off gcd
warm crag
my apm shoots to 2 gorillion if i use every offgcd toy in my bags !!!
sour frigate
balls
glad coyote
any sims yet on trinkets for next season? blood mallet isnt updated yet
undone flower
my apm shoots to 2 gorillion if i use every offgcd toy in my bags !!!
Don’t forget your swapblaster
quiet geyser
Energy drink, cuz well monster life.
lost saffron
my apm shoots to 2 gorillion if i use every offgcd toy in my bags !!!
certified skyhold streamer, when stream?
warm crag
certified skyhold streamer, when stream?
yday noob
hollow mirage
you go into a key and just trying out new rotation and BAM
War on top... eeep here come the nerfs >.< ROFL
Grr can we just get ONE FULL season on top in all War forms lol >.<
whole yacht
why does apm matter
Some people can't play super high apm classes due to physical restrictions via injury or condition in their hands
ornate gust
Some people can't play super high apm classes due to physical restrictions via i...
Or because we are getting older
whole yacht
Age has nothing to do with ability to game. There's a like 70 year old streamer that shits on people in games all day
Conditions decide if you can game
Like arthritis
whole yacht
War on top... eeep here come the nerfs >.< ROFL
Grr can we just get ONE FULL se...
Those people were just trash players.
slim coral
it definetly isnt just conditions
theres plenty of able people out there that are ass
whole yacht
I didn't say it's just conditions
smoky vale
theres plenty of able people out there that are ass
grats on your trial to pc
whole yacht
I said it has nothing to do with age
whole yacht
And that having conditions or not having conditions decide if you can or can't pkay
slim coral
grats on your trial to pc
thanks bud!
whole yacht
I never said those that can play are good
smoky vale
thanks bud!
can you teach me how to play warrior
slim coral
And that having conditions or not having conditions decide if you can or can't p...
theres a guy who only uses his tongue or something liek that and he's very good
when people want to be good at something they will always find a way
whole yacht
That's not necessarily true. People have a skill cap. There reaches a point where an individual just cannot get better. The man playing a game with his tongue is an outlier
slim coral
Idk if I agree with the point that theres a point where you can't get better
theres always something you can improve on
whole yacht
You live a delusion if you think no matter what, everyone can always improve forever. If everyone could get infinitely better just "wanting to". Way more people would have CE
smoky vale
theres a guy who only uses his tongue or something liek that and he's very good
please bud
slim coral
You live a delusion if you think no matter what, everyone can always improve for...
there is a difference between being able to improve and wanting to
most people that are satisfied with just getting CE or aotc don't care that much to improve their own gameplay
whole yacht
But you just said everyone who wants it enough can always improve?
slim coral
well yeah but they can always improve something
restive peak
Most of us could not be RWF raiders for Liquid no matter how hard we try
slim coral
doesnt mean they will be RWF
but even people with limits have places they can improve
restive peak
Then there is a point where they can't get better as a human
If they reached their theoretical ceiling, that's their ceiling
And this exists in everything in life
slim coral
most people don't reach their celiing tho
restive peak
We all love a good motivational speech but ceilings exist
slim coral
because they dont' care enough to
restive peak
Yeah I didn't say they do
restive peak
Idk if I agree with the point that theres a point where you can't get better
^
But you said this
There is a point where you can't get better
slim coral
theoretically yes there is a point
what my statment is trying to say is that most people don't get to that ceiling
mild kraken
yall believe in luck?
slim coral
so saying there is one is a mute point
restive peak
Not at all
Your statement claims everyone can become as skilled as anyone else, it's not true
young swan
yall believe in luck?
course
restive peak
The proper verbiage would've been "most people never work hard enough to reach their ceiling so they shouldn't worry about what their best is"
But saying you disagree there's a point where they can't is not saying that
restive peak
I mean you could argue being Steph Curry is luck
It technically is
There are zero people in the RWF who wouldn't absolutely giga fuck 99.9% of other players
mild kraken
you get hot for a tier
whole yacht
I'm sure for a few, it was luck. There's some rwf raiders that it physically HURTS ME to watch them play
mild kraken
you get invited
restive peak
It might be "luck" to get in, but luck won't keep you there
slim coral
you get invited
and then you get sat
mild kraken
yeah but you made it
slim coral
that's not making it
restive peak
You didn't make it if you're the 1 who gets benched and kicked
whole yacht
But you aren't getting CE or world first if you get booted mid race for being ass
restive peak
You're remembered as a meme, some of those float around
whole yacht
So it's not making it
steep lynx
what happened to the fury trinket tier list sadge lol
mild kraken
raid a tier in rwf
is making it
whole yacht
Technically several of us have "raided" RWF bosses
restive peak
If you think being a bench player who got sat for poor performance is making it, sure
split summit
quick question for those who use mountain thane for m+ etc. should i just follow the rotation guide on wowhead? or is there a better rotation guide out there for this season
restive peak
People have different views of making it
mild kraken
If you think being a bench player who got sat for poor performance is making it,...
i dont think ur reading
waht i reposted 30x
raiding a tier in rwf
is making it
restive peak
Noone who completes a RWF tier on a RWF team is there by luck
Because those bosses are not killable with a carry at that point
Epic copium to pretend otherwise
mild kraken
so why do rank 1 players not compete in rwf
whole yacht
quick question for those who use mountain thane for m+ etc. should i just follow...
The guide on wowhead was updated like. 2 days ago. Should be ok to follow.
restive peak
I'm a "high tier" player, and Revvez/Wolf etc absolutely fucking pump me, it's not even competitive
Rank 1 in what sense
slim coral
raid a tier in rwf
is making it
making it is actually being good enough to play in the RWF and stay there
that's actually making it
restive peak
You know most of the upper tier guilds private log right? R1 on WCL is like R20-30 in actuality
slim coral
joining for a tier just to get kicked out is not making it
whole yacht
so why do rank 1 players not compete in rwf
You need to understand. A lot of world first raiders do not log. They do not care about logs. To "rank 1 log" doesn't automatically make you the best
slim coral
so why do rank 1 players not compete in rwf
gettings logs and being good are not the same
restive peak
R1 in M+ has carry over, but doesn't mean you'd be R1 at raiding. Also, parses are not overly relevant past like a 93-95 average
There are a million factors to it
restive peak
For example if you have 20 kills, you're bound to get 1 good RNG no mechanics pull and parse high
slim coral
buy a parse night etc
mild kraken
so youre telling me gajeel couldnt be rwf
slim coral
do cringe shit like get infested on brood
whole yacht
For example if you have 20 kills, you're bound to get 1 good RNG no mechanics pu...
This
slim coral
so youre telling me gajeel couldnt be rwf
???
mild kraken
rank 1 every tier
twin glacier
Is it still possible this week to obtain the cutoff title?
restive peak
Do you understand the difference
mild kraken
critcake couldnt be rwf
celest anchor
whole yacht
The amount of times I've had pulls where I lost a 95+ to bad mechanic targeting is irritating
restive peak
Do you think it's that simple?
mild kraken
at that level yes
restive peak
Do I think Gajeel is comparable to some of the RWF guys? Sure, do I know it? No
The stress and the hours are a completely different beast
And for the record I've raided w Gajeel, and he pumped me, he's far better than me
mild kraken
thats what im saying though rank 1 on wcl is comparable
restive peak
Not necessarily
restive peak
There is a very, very big difference between 4 hrs a day 5 days a week, and 15 hrs 7 days
mild kraken
they pub log on wcl
gleaming siren
It's also not about doing the most damage
restive peak
No, I said do I think it sure, and know it, no.
gleaming siren
whole yacht
Saying 1 person COULD be compared. Is not saying all rank 1s can be
gleaming talon
Hey all best fury war NA and also R1 logger here… its easy
whole yacht
Hey all best fury war NA and also R1 logger here… its easy
Based
gleaming siren
It's more about consistency, adaptability, accountability and learning very fast
than doing .1% more damage, most of the time
mild kraken
im considering it
restive peak
And doing all of that on little to no sleep 12 hours deep
young swan
<:gajeel:1156085588806598676>
whole yacht
Now after prog is over? Get that .1% bro
young swan
so youre telling me gajeel couldnt be rwf
gajeel is dead, long live gajeel
restive peak
For example, you ever gone through Gajeel/Crits logs on 1st kill and compared them to Revvez/Riku etc on 1st kill?
Were they identical? Or did they do it 2 weeks of gear later?
These are relevant factors
whole yacht
im considering it
Are you? Because rank 1 parses after the first month or 2 are just people padding.
young swan
tbf witu nerubar you could actually make some reasonable comparisons
restive peak
But can you do it 3 tiers straight, or 5? Can you do it at hour 15 vs hour 5?
We don't know those answers
young swan
vision was one of the most geared guilds in the world and were on the boss at the same time cause the raid was aids
whole yacht
But can you do it 3 tiers straight, or 5? Can you do it at hour 15 vs hour 5?
I can't. I wanna kms after 5 hours of raiding
restive peak
Yeah I know, I personally think if Gajeel put the time in and wanted to he'd probably be able to be there. But that's also 1 in 1 million people, Gajeel is a fucking robot
modest condor
i wouldnt even make it to raid opening, i would give up the moment i have to prepare more than 1 character
restive peak
21 chars Silm get to work
whole yacht
😂
restive peak
3 was fucking hell last tier bro
To be fair 1st tier prep is always worse than 2nd
You go into 2nd with your split chars at least in max gear
modest condor
bro im like 30 minutes into undermine and im already bored of this place
kind bolt
why
left perch
im wondering if these folks are factoring ilvl into this discussion, as well as information and WA content
restive peak
LOL right
modest condor
give me back flying
restive peak
I'm like Silm, I care purely about playing the relevant shit
modest condor
and i dont like the goblin aesthetic
left perch
big difference between killing a boss with no info, making your own WA, defining CD timers
restive peak
I have not read a single quest in like 3 years
restive peak
im wondering if these folks are factoring ilvl into this discussion, as well as ...
Yeah this is what I said above
whole yacht
Linc already mentioned gear difference
restive peak
Comparing someones 3rd week kill to someones 1st week kill when they big brained the boss is apples and oranges
left perch
ok well i wanted to just jump in and sound smart without reading so
restive peak
You are smart booboo
whole yacht
Lol
restive peak
left perch
restive peak
modest condor
skill issue
restive peak
Cry about it 
left perch
common vhys L strikes again
slim coral
werent they suppose to slowly try to roll out external emotes to people
thought I remembered something about it
modest condor
i havent heard anything about that
left perch
tbf, it would introduce a lot of degeneracy
restive peak
Yeah the masses are not trusted, sorry big dog
fickle cedar
MT with AM feels so clunky
left perch
MT with AM feels so clunky
play the RA build
restive peak
AM everything feels goated
fickle cedar
play the RA build
how behind is it in %, haven't simmed
bitter palm
am my beloved
left perch
how behind is it in %, haven't simmed
fickle cedar
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vThuWdF77rcZ3OF1a2xMgnMM5Udo8mpn...
ty
sinful spoke
Is condemn back
left perch
or i would not be able to find it
wait does this sheet not have
thane RA
@fickle bluff u broke it??
(or i can't read)
sullen dove
rwf easy man
fickle cedar
yeah seems like the only difference is hack and slash talent
bitter palm
bro what is the this
iron portal
yellow people get to use external emoji
fickle bluff
<@225641851162460161> u broke it??
there wasnt space for it on the sheet
chilly plume
agree
I really miss the DF era of keeping it rolling the entire CD
Press it, proc it a couple times, CDR it, press it again before it falls off
restive peak
It's also frustrating because reck is back to being a very flat dmg buff ability with little burst, so give us back our high proc chance you fucks
velvet obsidian
TFW the capstone ability is just worse than putting another point into an ability in the second tier of our tree. 
sour frigate
Welcome to warrior
coarse nest
Is UF the one that makes reck longer? Idr
hollow mirage
Does anyone know if our Spear will ever be useful again for PVE >.>
I kinda miss it T.T
coarse nest
Oh it’s the rampage can extend reck talent that’s right
hardy bluff
Is UF the one that makes reck longer? Idr
its the reck proc
fluid cedar
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earnest canyon
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lol whats that in relation to
sullen dove
It's also frustrating because reck is back to being a very flat dmg buff ability...
To be even flatter than we are now… 
clever belfry
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@oblique trail abuser
oblique trail
clever belfry
capuccino
plush ice
looking at the posts from a little bit ago, you can certianly run UF over the just +4 natrually on wreck node, they are essentailly the same
clever belfry
UF is good if u hate urself imo
plush ice
ah, it's pretty well six of one half dozen of the other i think
sullen dove
<a:mualanidance:1289177846450753656>
is it like slow on purpose
its like silly laggy
oblique trail
Flame @clever belfry
sinful spoke
sinful spoke
Fix it anda
clever belfry
sullen dove
i mean it adds to the funny a little
clever belfry
no
sullen dove
like nokia ringtone lag
sullen dove
yea that too i think more of what i was talkin about
its just like a scuffed brainrot meme or something that she just stands there starin at you then starts gettin jiggy with it
quiet breach
does it matter what race you pick when it comes to raid/mythic+ performance?
smoky vale
dwarf is best for m+ but doesnt matter unless you are doing wf keys
quiet breach
dwarf is best for m+ but doesnt matter unless you are doing wf keys
so for raid there is no difference in performance between the races only m+?
oblique trail
so for raid there is no difference in performance between the races only m+?
Correct
You can basically play whatever you want for raid
sullen dove
ChT is the condemn animation back
hasnt it always been back
also bro hit capslock instead of a lmao
sinful spoke
Pretty sure it got removoed
sullen dove
become a keyboard warrior
oblique trail
no
The only race that you'll see a noticable gain from swapping away from, is Vulpera basically
But that's going from the worst to the best race, which is at best 2%
sour frigate
Minmaxing races for my 10th 
uneven bough
where are new fury talents p[ls
eternal sundial
quiet breach
does warriors have stances in retail?
restive peak
Yes
oblique trail
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294680138042183711/1306014550822490182/h...
:meows
-s
hardy bluff
quiet breach
threat isn't really a thing in retail right?
hardy bluff
no
hardy shuttle
threat isn't really a thing in retail right?
restive granite
guys for queen anyone got an idea of what talent setup we should run?
sour frigate
threat isn't really a thing in retail right?
Depends on ur tank
hardy bluff
guys for queen anyone got an idea of what talent setup we should run?
slayer multitarget
restive granite
no OF?
hardy bluff
its garbage
restive granite
gotcha thanks !
coarse nest
Ooo specs!?
slim coral
guys for queen anyone got an idea of what talent setup we should run?
Go slayer arms
Gigachad
coarse nest
ST slayer arms and eat boss for lunch
quiet breach
Depends on ur tank
I mean outside of accidently attacking the boss before the tank does
hardy bluff
yea that didnt change
dapper goblet
madox for yellow
quiet breach
but you only go in dstance for a damage reduction
as fury warriors are u supposed to be perma in berserker stance
besides niche scenarios
coarse nest
It’s pretty potent if you use it
slim coral
i have never played slayer arms
It’s easy
coarse nest
Ms > op > pandemic rend > slam
Pretty chill
(Ofc more complexity than that but that’s the basics essentially)
restive granite
yeah but first timing it on asurek while trying to get the ppl that missed CE on my guild their last chance for it might not be the play
coarse nest
Probably best to do whatever won’t cause you to add unnecessary wipes
sinful spoke
Ooo specs!?
7800x3d and gonna use my old 3070 until i see amd prices tomorrow
chilly elbow
is slayer better in singletarget situations ?
sinful spoke
Singel
coarse nest
7800x3d and gonna use my old 3070 until i see amd prices tomorrow
Hell yeah! Wow seems to like the x3d chips, it should treat you well!
quiet breach
as a fury warrior will you be swapping between slayer and mountain thane depending on the fight?
sly bobcat
How cooked is it to still spec into odyns fury for m+ compared to anger management build? I miss it already
coarse nest
Doable ofc just not optimal damage potential
flat river
coarse nest
Ayyye cheers! 🍻
flat river
🍻
slim coral
as a fury warrior will you be swapping between slayer and mountain thane dependi...
It’s mostly just gonna be slayer tbh
You might have one thane fight if you are lucky
winter shoal
Hello fury enjoyers, wowanalyzer has been updated for 11.1 - this one had much more rework than arms did, so if anyone wants to plug in their logs from 11.1 (esp if you played RA) and let me know if they run into issues, that'd be great
junior gale
I call it Wowanal
winter shoal
I can't ABOBA in skyhold but yes
winter shoal
I call it Wowanal
We have a microservice at work called analysis-query-service and I exclusively refer to it as "query service" to avoid this
junior gale
How long on that anal sis
sour frigate
junior gale
fickle cedar
i retract my last statements on MT AM, this shit slaps and blasts you have cds on every pack 
feral ivy
idk what to do im bored .. did the questline and update WA/addons, action bars are fixed, transmogs... i guess transmog runs?
modest hollow
why is all the dungeons so easy suddenly?
modest hollow
so they didnt nerf the dungeon? :p
oblique trail
To my knowledge they've done nothing to S1 dungeons
modest hollow
did +14 ara with 12 minutes remaining, so weird
clever path
they probably prechanged scaling for how its supposed to work for season 2 so season 1 got knocked down hard
restive peak
Pretty sure they also knocked the scaling down quite a bit
clever path
is what i think at least
left perch
But fuck it
add a t (hehe)
oblique trail
maybe the S2 scaling has been added already to S1 dungeons
modest hollow
xD
oblique trail
The guile change that is
covert blaze
i did a 14 and it felt like a 10
oblique trail
Haven't done any keys yet
restive peak
I think it was
south kayak
maybe the S2 scaling has been added already to S1 dungeons
It has
saw critcake doing 19s yday or something
like it was normal lol
undone flower
But I think the issue is the mm0 « buff » (base of scaling) is not on season 1 dungeons
oblique trail
please stop!!
sour frigate
add a t (hehe)
oblique trail
banezi hates me
left perch
banzai ghost u
clever belfry
covert blaze
free him
frank dawn
blizzard nerf warrior correctly challenge (impossible)
covert blaze
@oblique trail how does slayer am feel
oblique trail
Like I did good damage evidently, but I did not once feel good about it
raven dagger
is single minded fury still dookie?
clever path
The entire fight if you’re unlucky
oblique trail
Because when I want to use all my CDs, Reck is still barely on CD
I still cannot fathom thinking it's a fun time playing AM
frank dawn
AM Thane feels fine to me, but AM Slayer feels poop
south kayak
Agree
oblique trail
I haven't played AM Thane since it got buffed
thin cliff
AM thane feels suuuuper good. It's just painfully behind in ST
frank dawn
painful seems a little exaggerated lol, especially when it's shitting all over Slayer in AoE lol
winter shoal
AM thane feels suuuuper good. It's just painfully behind in ST
Better ST in keys than colossus
oblique trail
I didn't mind RA Slayer too much pre 11.1
covert blaze
i just did a key on am thane and it wasa ok
oblique trail
But I haven't played it yet in raid
quiet breach
does fury warrior use dual wield 1 handers
oblique trail
No, never
south kayak
delves are giving s1 loot still right?
covert blaze
delves are giving s1 loot still right?
ye
novel plinth
Talking about M+, if you do time a 10 this week, do it give you the dungeon teleport?
quiet breach
do all ur abilities get added to ur spell book automatically as you level? including stances
oblique trail
do all ur abilities get added to ur spell book automatically as you level? inclu...
All of your baseline abilities do yes
Otherwise the only abilities you get are the talents you pick that give you an ability
topaz crag
what is the priority order?
sly crane
slam your keyboard as hard as you can
quiet breach
Otherwise the only abilities you get are the talents you pick that give you an a...
can u retalent and respec whenever u want or does it cost gold
wispy bridge
Is it ever really worth it (in raid) to hold BS/Recklessnes with the new AM build?
glad coyote
Is it ever really worth it (in raid) to hold BS/Recklessnes with the new AM buil...
depends if theres adds coming that you gotta kill, gotta know fights and look a timers imo
oblique trail
can u retalent and respec whenever u want or does it cost gold
You can change anywhere yes
It's completely free
feral ivy
i wish i can buy these transmog with gold
earnest canyon
is the demolition dome delve open?
verbal garden
Is it worth doing delves right now for gear or just wait for season?
wispy bridge
depends if theres adds coming that you gotta kill, gotta know fights and look a ...
True just unsure with timings now, just did Ansurek and I could fit a few more BS/Reck in then before, but it destroyed my whole muscle memory oft the fight xD
coarse nest
Is it worth doing delves right now for gear or just wait for season?
Do you need the item level that the current delves drop?
verbal garden
Do you need the item level that the current delves drop?
Are they not dropping higher ilvl stuff in the new ones? Probably not then. Got some 645 max gear so wasn't sure.
kind bolt
unhinged doesnt cleave anymore?
feral ivy
is the demolition dome delve open?
no thats the new zek something.. the boss delve
earnest canyon
oh ok thanks
potent thicket
sour frigate
feral ivy
there is this new sky riding where you fly with a jetpack .. pretty fun and new (on the roof, there is a ladder on the back of the small house)
kind bolt
there is this new sky riding where you fly with a jetpack .. pretty fun and new ...
theres a ladder? omg..
small dome
whats the difference? more importantly someone just tell me which one to pick for open world questing lol
hollow elk
are you leveling?
small dome
dont try to make me look stupid, they both say open world
hollow elk
are you leveling?
sly crane
whats the difference? more importantly someone just tell me which one to pick fo...
top one
vast crystal
for fury is execute prio on 3x of marked for execution, or even before that at any time?
inner zinc
So was the 25% buff to T.blast a lie like on ptr and only 14% or is it truly 25% on live?
covert coyote
Yeah 3x MFE or with like < 3 seconds left on SD
kind bolt
in execute phase?
hardy bluff
keys feels a couple of levels lower
they changed guile
its no longer %dam and health increase
only the timer thing
i was scrolled up a lil it seems
pale sentinel
so Wowheadd still has the charged claymore as BiS for weapons in Fury. Are wwe going to be able to upgrade the ILVL on that ?
or is it staying at 636
xD
sour frigate
🤓
pale sentinel
sorry, I am new to the crafting systeem this tier. Didn't play Dragonflight
eerr this expansion I guess
lol
sour frigate
🙏
tulip hare
quick question i keep seeing people placing arms as better than fury for Mythic+ is there any truth to that 😮
sly crane
yes
restive peak
They're pretty close, arms does look to pull ahead slightly at higher keys due to pull size/time they live
sly crane
no skullsplitter/thunderclap arms is fun
sly crane
this was my first expac trying dps warrior, I didnt play arms enough before to try it really
tulip hare
right gotcha i've never really give arms much play i'll go smack a dummy for a bit every now n then so i got it in the back pocket then would be cool if i like it
sly crane
but not having to manually apply rend makes the spec more fun for me
still like ret pally more than arms
covert blaze
fuck you mean no thunderclap
restive peak
Arms is very desynced rn, it's definitely more to balance than fury
covert blaze
there is no way
sly crane
no I mean it has thunderclap still
tulip hare
yeh i did kinda abandon fury when my ret was doing way more dmg in dungeons in S1 xD
sly crane
I guess it reads as no skullsplitter and thunderclap, meant no skullsplitter with thunderclap
tulip hare
but i really like the way fury plays :*(
restive peak
I guess it reads as no skullsplitter and thunderclap, meant no skullsplitter wit...
xD makes sense
sly crane
whoops
glad coyote
yeh i did kinda abandon fury when my ret was doing way more dmg in dungeons in S...
well fury is beating ret atm until s2 starts at least
who knows what will happen