fury

[edgy widget]

decentish, we'll see how it plays out in practice

I'm just really not fond of the current Fury rotation

[plush ice]

Why is that

[fading sky]

Agreed ngl

[edgy widget]

it's just too gamey

[orchid iron]

I cant speak to the Math but I played Slayer all last season and its pretty fun to thunderblast fools for 2M right now

[edgy widget]

Spamming Raging Blow with an over-emphasis on micromanging buffs

• only Bloodthirst w/ 1+ stack of X and 2+ stacks of Y
• Raging Blow if <4 stacks of Z
• Bloodthirst if 3+ stacks of X
  etc

[fading sky]

Y bloodcraze vs slaughtering strikes

[sand crest]

wont that be made even worse by the tier set?

[edgy widget]

Fury used to have a clean rotation and now its all twisted into knots because of unnecessary buffs like Slaughtering Strikes that don't really do anything

[edgy widget]

hypothetically, but in practice the tier procs so frequently that you can largely ignore it

[plush ice]

Unless I read the guide wrong yesterday, there is the bt conditional, but for rb the only conditional is spamming it after BS or am I missing something

[edgy widget]

there are like 5 different conditionals for whether BT, RB, or Rampage is prio at any given moment

it's becoming a game of weakaura whackamole, which is just not fun to me

esp when Fury used to have a really clean and engaging rotation

I mean hell the fact that Slayer Execute is still in the dumps, even with Marked stacked up, is even worse

[restive peak]

NGL I fully intend to play it like I always did and deal w the slight potential "loss", I'll just ramp into RB spam into BT with very little thought, unless it starts to feel I can't complete the goals I have

And I usually care deeply about getting my rotation right

But this is a mess

[plush ice]

Huh, like I said I'm not at my computer, but I feel like I missed something, because I thought I programmed the rotation until TMW before raid yesterday and it didn't seem like there were that many conditionals

[restive peak]

RA is still good, behind AM, personally find the new RA very meh and love AM playstyle

So barring mythic prog fights where RA is notably ahead, I won't play it much

[fading sky]

Ngl i wanna zug, this is not zuggin!!!

[edgy widget]

that's kinda what I was doing on ansurek last night, I didn't have time to setup new reminders before raid, so I just went for a 2-3 RB -> BT

[dense elbow]

Just press execute when it shines - does alright dam in M+
(if you ignore the overall DPS loss)

[plush ice]

I have BT change color at x bloodcraise stacks, and rampage light up at 100 rage, the only thing I didn't do was make it so it's obvious to rb after bs

[restive peak]

Noticable drop off from expectation, or not really?

[plush ice]

But it sounds line there's more to it

[restive peak]

I feel like it won't be a massive diff to play that way, kinda like DFS2

[edgy widget]

and it works well enough, but I still think Blizz is doing a major disservice by not making Bloodthirst the actual core of the rotation, tuning down RB/Slaughtering Strikes, pushing up Execute, etc

[restive peak]

Absolutely agree

Execute still being dog is fuckin insane to me

[violet condor]

hopefully the rotation gets fixed with the .5 rework ( )

[restive peak]

Insane to the point that I might play arms lol

[fading sky]

Fr nerf rb

Interactions

[south kayak]

Removing Slaughtering strikes/Bloodcraze and buffing Bt/Rampage is gonna fix all this

[modest condor]

it's not that easy

[fading sky]

Or moving slaughering strikes tp execute + bt

[modest condor]

also i like bloodcraze please dont remove it

[edgy widget]

like my idea is pretty simple

• Execute all stacked up
• Bloodthirst should be the core of the rotation, (almost) always kept on cooldown
• Rampage at or near max rage
• Execute below 35/20%
• Raging Blow should be the main filler; probably tone down resets a little bit so that it's not completely reliable
• Rampage at lower rage
• Slam/WW as the last resort

[restive peak]

BT always on CD outside ramp available = BIS design that literally makes sense

Also would flow with deft and upkeeping enrage cleaner etcetc

[fading sky]

So like season 1?

[restive peak]

It's so weird

[south kayak]

This all sounds so bad, glad I won't be maining warrior

[restive peak]

Yeah, cuz that makes sense by design

[south kayak]

fucking messy

[restive peak]

This doesn't make sense really

[smoky vale]

blue

[edgy widget]

instead we have something more like

• BT > X Stacks
• Rampage > Y stacks
• RB < Z stacks
• BT < 35%
• RB < Y stacks
• Rampage @ max rage
• Execute
• RB
• BT

it's just needlessly polluted with complex conditionals

[fading sky]

For a spec thats supposed to be simple and smooth

[edgy widget]

I'm also glad you won't be

[smoky vale]

so you ignore rampage at max rage to build up slaughtering after bs?

[south kayak]

lmfao

[restive peak]

https://tenor.com/view/burn-kelso-that-70s-show-gif-26311276

[violet condor]

what if they added frothing beserker from bfa as a talent

thatd be cool

[dense elbow]

So Slayer vs Thane seems to be around a 20% damage loss in M+, then OF is another 3% tax, then Execute Talent another 7%~

Can we go back to S1?

[south kayak]

Imagine raiding m+ doing a hard boss

but you can't dodge stuff because you're thinking of rotation conditionals

[molten night]

https://tenor.com/view/wrecked-rick-and-morty-party-riggity-crazy-gif-5184160

[fading sky]

Ngl my brain might do that

[solemn adder]

So, because I’m slow nowadays, to clarify, with these changes we are now prioritizing RBs over BT in general?

[fading sky]

This

[edgy widget]

we have been for like 3 expansions lol

[restive peak]

RB is the cranker

It's weird

[solemn adder]

I haven’t been around for the past 3 expansions

Left in Legion

[edgy widget]

you should read some guides lol

[orchid iron]

is there anything like Larius' guide for s1 gearing or is it just spam m+ for crests

[plush ice]

At what stacks do we rampage regardless of rage

[silent burrow]

Keeping BT on cd should for sure be how it plays. BT is part of what makes fury good, and also is beneficial for ER. When they started making it weird to press BT it just started to spiral

And here's fury, weird

[plush ice]

Ibh I hadn't been tracking slaughtering stacks at all

[fading sky]

Just ask
Youtube

[dense elbow]

WoWhead got a great page for easily seeing the prio list of abilities and rotation. You can have the page modify buttons based on your talents chosen. Big tech.
Links are in #dps-faq

[south kayak]

BT should have all these buffs associated with it since it's an ability that you can only hit once and doesn't have all these resets, the devs are literally taking this backwards

it's insane

[fading sky]

Let me btbtbtbt

[orchid iron]

I don't want to listen to any of them more than I have to 😅

[molten night]

did i read the guide right? we rampage at 100 or greater unless we have enrage?

[solemn adder]

Tracking all, however the prio to me looks to still stay the same and going off what someone said above, BT should always still be on CD

[molten night]

i thought we just slam rampage always

[fading sky]

Easiest gearing

[edgy widget]

no, what I said is that the ideal rotation would keep BT always on CD, but the actual one does not

[molten night]

bruh its so hard to keep everything on CD

just rotate

[south kayak]

honestly just delete RagingBlow resets

[coarse nest]

Wish BT was kept on cd in prio

[orchid iron]

https://tenor.com/view/smash-keyboard-spam-keys-gibberish-gif-6436100426373231330

[analog rivet]

RB goes BRRR

[south kayak]

or just reduce the chance to reset

[molten night]

exactly

[south kayak]

and delete HnS

[molten night]

what is HnS again?

[oblique trail]

hack and slash

[molten night]

oh

gotcha 😄

[dense elbow]

Just do this, be free

[south kayak]

and lose 50% dps

[dense elbow]

6-7% ish, it seems

[south kayak]

ideally I think we should be using raging blow until BT is off cd

Someone said it's not that simple to change this

it is that simple

[solemn adder]

That’s essentially what I was asking although probably worded poorly

It would make sense to just essentially go through the rotation no matter what and keep BT on CD no matter what

[south kayak]

Bloodcraze can stay but they should remove SS and nerf raging blow to buff Rampage

there u go

[dense elbow]

The rotation is described and even shown as a very tidy priority list on WoWhead. It should answer 99% of your questions

[solemn adder]

I don’t mean to be rude but I know my rotation, I don’t need the wowhead guide, just asking for small intricacies

Or seeing what others do tbh

[dense elbow]

Asking what goes first RB or BT, seems kinda basic to myself. But sure, if you feel secure in your rotation, then ya good to go

[solemn adder]

Well like I said poorly worded question but I was basically asking if other people are not pressing BT on CD

[dense elbow]

If you just asking general question, sure, I press both BT and execute on CD.

My whole build is based around doing just that - in the name of a playstyle I enjoy more

[solemn adder]

Gotcha, I also press execute on CD to a point. At least to keep refreshing Overwhelmed capped

[dense elbow]

It might not be the mathematically optimal way to play the game, but not pressing execute is counterfun

[solemn adder]

Agreed

[south kayak]

BFA rotation was perfect

BT on cd

raging blow as filler

rampage when you can

execute when u can

that's it

[solemn adder]

For me i don’t like the idea of not constantly pressing some button

[south kayak]

why did we go away from this

[solemn adder]

Waiting for some kind of stack or for an extra 20% on a rampage makes me kinda hate the rotation

[south kayak]

and these idiots have the audacity to buff raging blow more than BT

[dense elbow]

I am certain there is a very mathematically sound logical reasoning to it

[solemn adder]

Legion was pretty much that as well, I enjoyed the rotation very thoroughly back then. Now there’s a lot more stack tracking to optimize damage, which can be interesting but it isn’t for me

[south kayak]

There's no way ther eis

[dense elbow]

One thing I know is true: My kind of fun, isn't the warr dev's kind

Different gameplay loop goals

[solemn adder]

Does ashen make Execute feel stronger by a good bit now btw?

[dense elbow]

It is what makes my build barely go round

Still, it isnt a 'optimal' option

[solemn adder]

Nice, I kinda wanna try it. Execute being in as weird of a spot as it is now is kinda whack

[subtle zenith]

Can you macro BT and Rampage together?

Would it make sense?

[modest condor]

you cant

[subtle zenith]

Damn

Well then I'm gonna skidaddle

[dense elbow]

CgEAO9DBjZzKcjSu6RJDto0RCCAAAAAAAAA0YYmZzMDzYMzYjZmZMDzwYbbmxMzsxMzDMjZGDL2mhZMDAAAEzstMWYxyiZaMzMMZWYwG
Import this string, it isnt a very optimal build. But it is the most Slayer feel build you can probably get.

[unreal onyx]

am I cooking for a last queen attempt today?

[dense elbow]

No OF for add pad?

smh

[solemn adder]

Bet thank you very much, imma give it a go here in a bit just for testing

[coarse widget]

You can't macro two abilities with gcd together. You can macro as many off-gcd abilities to one macro as you want

[dense elbow]

Enjoy, most ppl that tried it loved it

[solemn adder]

Nice lol. I do like having my own play style sometimes for fun as I’m not really in a mythic prog guild yet, so I don’t need to go crazy optimized. But I do get crazy competitive so I will conform to what’s best for parse sake at some point. Enjoying the diversity at least

[fringe nova]

Hey I'm rerolling for s2 on Warri and thanks to wowhead I'm a little confused now, are we playing Anger Management or Reckless Abandon?

For Myhtic Court are we still playing Thane?

[dense elbow]

Oh, WoWhead confusing you, mind saying why so?

That aside, AM is the go-to choice as a generic pick. Then RA for bosses where it would make sense (or AM doesnt work due to downtime). Doubt anyone put effort into S1 Raid Bosses, but you can check what people are doing on Lorrrgs or WarcraftLogs.

Court is a Thane boss, but feel free to go Slayer if you simply prefer to. You can again check lorrgs or logs to see what people go and with what builds.

[gloomy loom]

We still use reck and avatar macro’d with titans torment and RA?

[edgy widget]

you don't play Titan's Torment anymore, which means yes you can macro them

[gloomy loom]

Sry i mean berserker*

[fringe nova]

Thanks, My problem is that the MT talents are different than the ones you play on Warcraft logs. Also, the Warcraft logs and lorrg aren't up to date for 11.1, are they?

[tidal lantern]

What setup did you run on queen? WCL not enjoying new talent builds

[fringe nova]

and why we dont Pick Sudden Death on AOE fight? so we lose Imminet Demise right?

[restive peak]

RWL is the gift that keeps on giving man

[tidal lantern]

roster boss is the gift that keeps on giving.

[restive peak]

The 1s I'm watchin ain't havin roster issues, we'll say that as polite as possible

[oblique trail]

SD is not picked as mountain thane, but as Slayer you do pick it

[tidal lantern]

living can be a struggle for sure

[fringe nova]

I understood that, when I look at Slayer in queen logs it doesn't get picked either.

[oblique trail]

You're likely looking at 11.0.7 logs then

It wasn't required until 11.1 to be talented for Slayer

And if you're looking at 11.1 Slayer logs without it, then they're just playing without Imminent Demise

Which is a very big negative

[fringe nova]

ah okay that make sense what im dropping for SD?

[oblique trail]

Wowhead has builds already for the raid, but I'd recommend swapping out AM for RA for Ansurek in the build at the very least

The rest should be fine

[covert blaze]

@oblique trail balls

[oblique trail]

[smoky vale]

ball

[fringe nova]

TY!

[edgy widget]

raid build links on the cheat sheet aren't actually updated for season 2, since I didn't feel the need with only one week left, but you should be able to get the gist

go Slayer for everything except maybe Mythic Court (I still prefer Slayer though), take ImpWW/MC for the add fights and VC for the ST ones

[fringe nova]

thank u guys alot for help me

[remote bobcat]

i got a 645 weapon, cool

[sleek nexus]

from where?

[remote bobcat]

i got this too

[remote bobcat]

box

[sleek nexus]

nice

[remote bobcat]

not vault

from a quest box

weekly

[sleek nexus]

yeah got that much 😛

[sand thistle]

Do we press BT with a min of 3 stacks of Bloodcraze always? OR 2 is also fine?

[whole yacht]

This is neat.

[hardy bluff]

wowhead has a prio list

[calm swallow]

We got White-Monsters in WoW before GTA6

[whole yacht]

Undermine weekly box?

[south kayak]

lmfao

[warm crag]

sorry correction you do need to track bloodcraze if you are playing reckless abandon apparently

[sleek nexus]

[warm crag]

idk if you end up playing RA on any fights but we'll see

[south kayak]

Based

[covert coyote]

W

[dense elbow]

That is actually a cool detail

[remote bobcat]

641 total ilvl now cool

645 belt 645 weapon

[tawdry meteor]

is arms far better than fury in s2 for m+?

[remote bobcat]

with 4set yea

[tawdry meteor]

[remote bobcat]

although i wouldnt say far better

its a bit better

[remote bobcat]

nop

[feral ivy]

how ?

[clever belfry]

Bro u never have to track it

[remote bobcat]

what how

[clever belfry]

cope micro opt

[feral ivy]

how did you get the 2 645

[remote bobcat]

box

yes

[warm crag]

its in the apl i think idk you can just approximate it away ye

[feral ivy]

from this?

[remote bobcat]

ye

HAHAHHA I CANT EVEN SIM THE NEW ITEM

[whole yacht]

Wild

[remote bobcat]

welp i guess its joever for me then

[whole yacht]

Sadge

[warm crag]

is your simc updated?

[remote bobcat]

i updated all addons before copying the string

[kind bolt]

can this not be tracked at buffs or am i blind

[sullen cloak]

Ty

[oblique trail]

The wording hasn't been fixed yet it seems, but it's no longer tied to Rampage

It's only during Recklessness now

But it's all your casts during Recklessness that's buffed

[gloomy loom]

If I want to play RA i just copy build from wowhead and switch from AM to RA? or someone has already a better build for RA?

I only find AM builds on wowhead maxroll and icyveins

[tulip rivet]

So is arms a lot stronger than fury so far in S2? I really don’t wanna have to play arms

[lapis shadow]

@tulip rivet are u a CE pusher or

[tulip rivet]

Yeah

[lapis shadow]

Mmmm

Arms is better than fury but not by like a shitton

[dense elbow]

HoF or CE? If CE, just go Fury, dont worry about it

HoF is a lot more 'do it for the team, go arms'

[remote bobcat]

fury is better without 4set. once 4set is acquired, arms gets ahead of fury

but not by a shitton

[lapis shadow]

I agree with Funky

[whole yacht]

Fury is still competitive. Capable of hof. But it's better to go arms

[remote bobcat]

if HoF is as piss as nerubar palace then yea ofc

so lenient fr

[lapis shadow]

It also depends if you truly need to min-max

[wispy thistle]

i think its also about what you play better, if you lose 5-10% by going to arms even though statistically its better are you really gaining anything?

[whole yacht]

If you have a HoF team. You won't need to giga min-max

As long as you aren't rtwf

[tulip rivet]

HoF as in hall of fame?

[lapis shadow]

^

Yes

[kind bolt]

aaa ok

[kind bolt]

so not after rampage?

[covert blaze]

arms sims like less than 1% better than fury btw

[tulip rivet]

Thats like rank 1 on your server this shit isn’t it

[remote bobcat]

nope

[oblique trail]

yes

[whole yacht]

This

[remote bobcat]

or like yea

[dense elbow]

Question is the value of the arms dam profile

[remote bobcat]

its no more rampage empowerment

[lapis shadow]

Depends on your server but yes

😂

[covert blaze]

pretending like arms is so much better than fury and we havent even seen how the fights play out yet in their entirety is a bit silly

[lapis shadow]

I agree

[whole yacht]

^^

[dense elbow]

That is why it is a question

[remote bobcat]

yup

[lapis shadow]

For raid I'm thinking about fury NGL and arms for m+

[remote bobcat]

although tbf

we already know

[whole yacht]

At this point in time. I would strongly urge play what you enjoy more/are better at

[remote bobcat]

2 bosses have an extremely heavy execute phases

2 hard bosses, at that

[tulip rivet]

I mean I’m honestly just sick of seeing all these YouTubers put arms in A+ tier and fury in -B

[remote bobcat]

clueless~1

[wispy thistle]

what godly lemon said

[tulip rivet]

It’s whack

[whole yacht]

Don't look at YouTube tier lists

[wispy thistle]

putting classes in tiers is kinda dogshit anyways

[whole yacht]

They mean jack shit

[lapis shadow]

I'm equally shit at arms and fury

[wispy thistle]

then play what you want lol

[dense elbow]

Then play prot

[covert blaze]

yup

[lapis shadow]

But I'm more in the #fury chat cause u guys are funnier

:3

[whole yacht]

So real

[wispy thistle]

or switch to ret so you can slam your face into keyboard and do dam

[tulip rivet]

Arms chat just send gifs of cats

[lapis shadow]

Loool

[hollow maple]

what is best talent MM ^^

[lapis shadow]

Dark Ranger

[whole yacht]

Tier lists mean nothing. Use raw data. Not some random "yeah this seems better so it is" list

[whole yacht]

Real

[remote bobcat]

i keep trying to re-update my shit but man its just a raidbots skill issue at this point

ngl

[covert blaze]

update your simc addon perhaps

[remote bobcat]

Yea let me just update it again

clueless~1

[covert blaze]

unlucky then

idk why youre simming stuff anyway

[remote bobcat]

i wanna know how good the 632 energy drink scales

can you maybe not question someones curiosity?

[covert blaze]

you realise the apl is not done yet right

[whole yacht]

Question everything

[covert blaze]

as in not finished

[remote bobcat]

zhai

theres an initial build

[whole yacht]

Le'zhai

[remote bobcat]

can oyu blame someone for trying to sim something with the initial build

[whole yacht]

Yes

[covert blaze]

im not blaming anyone

maybe wait for the stuff to be accurate tho

[whole yacht]

snap

(Am bored)

[chrome summit]

do fury play new build even if no new set etc?

[oblique trail]

Our set does not affect our talents

[remote bobcat]

the tier set makes no difference to how we play

iirc

[whole yacht]

Yes

[chrome summit]

kk good havent keep up with fury atall but gtg dps xD usually tank

[whole yacht]

Welcome to the shit show

Our shits a mess rn

[chrome summit]

anything new in rotation or so i need to know before i go a key? xD

[remote bobcat]

odyns fury is trash dont use it

other than that

[whole yacht]

^

[remote bobcat]

shrug

[chrome summit]

ye seen on guide its no longer used. nothing that replace it it seems? xD free button on keyboard is weird

[smoky vale]

@dense elbow

[remote bobcat]

real

[dense elbow]

Odyn's is alright

it is a DPS loss, about 3%

But you can bring it

So by the definitions usually used here

It is fine

[dense elbow]

:3

[remote bobcat]

3% is a shitton

[frank dawn]

what are you dropping for the 3% loss to take OF

[whole yacht]

3% is a pretty decent amount

[fringe nova]

I have another question agian :D, why do we use Frenzied Enrage instead of Powerfull Enrage?

[dense elbow]

Powerful is a tiny bit better

[oblique trail]

Is this still in the context of Ansurek

[dense elbow]

feel free to use frenzied if you prefer

[fringe nova]

only saw it on old logs

[dense elbow]

Oh, if it is in context of killing adds, powerful helps the add nuke

[oblique trail]

Frenzied is preferred on Ansurek for consistency

But you can play either one

[dense elbow]

Really? AM timing pushed cause of it or something?

That is kinda neat

[fringe nova]

ah okay thanks 🙂

[oblique trail]

From personal experience Powerful made no difference numerically

[oblique trail]

No it's always been like this

It's for more MfE procs for more BS CDR

[covert blaze]

🧑‍🍳

[oblique trail]

And I wouldn't recommend AM on Ansurek either

[dense elbow]

Ah, right, the PPM is hasted on the strikes

Makes sense to me

[oblique trail]

Ansurek is pretty pre-determined CD timings, and the only time I see it partially helping is for root damage in P1 and 2nd spider adds in P3

[final eagle]

seems accurate

[covert blaze]

are there any changes in m+ this week scaling-wise
thinking of doing some keys for fun maybe

[tired echo]

is there a weakaura for fury similar to the arms one for when to use execute that madox linked in his arms video? this one: https://wago.io/9n9GqeQ6-

[kind bolt]

we play ravager?

[covert blaze]

https://wago.io/r8u4tHLRQ

[tired echo]

thank you man

[final eagle]

im thane so yeah

[solemn widget]

Considering playing arms this tier just to change it up but for season 2 can anyone confirm the dps difference between the 2 yet from raid testing and last round of tuning?

[high echo]

no

[covert blaze]

they sim within 1% of each other

[high echo]

not in raid

[final eagle]

pretty similar till execute phase

execute arms slaps

[autumn mica]

How fast does Eye of Kezan drop off stacks after Combat. Did anyone test this in PTR?

[covert blaze]

@mossy fox might know

[ruby badge]

Do we get crests from keys this week?

[final eagle]

so why a normal BT crits for 5mill??

[feral ivy]

wtf is with everyones luck or im missing somethiong but the weekly quest from dorn didnt give me anything other than key and crest

[final eagle]

nope but valorstones, so thats something

[remote bobcat]

these types of things

first two GUARANTEE

veteran gear

[left elk]

what does veteran gear drop at?

[feral ivy]

623

[left elk]

oh not bad

[remote bobcat]

up to 645

upgrade

[hollow mirage]

Hi all, hope you all well today ^.^

Is anyone else having an issue where striking Raging Blow consumes all its charges? I'm seem to be having an issues atm where my RB is always getting its 2nd charge and its not resetting itself O.o

[feral ivy]

kk so then i have 1 623 ring from undermine and then i did hallowfall and azj and both gave me crest

[remote bobcat]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j99yqp7Mvw9iqUQmXdSUku

this is some crazy sim dps

almost 2 mil single target is wiillld

but ig its an incomplete build still

ah shouldnt have posted this in fury

[sinful spoke]

dinars 11.1.5

??

how far in is that

[white talon]

Is slayer bugged ?

[feral ivy]

someone said 17weeks?

could be wrong tho

[sinful spoke]

thats a long time

whats that 4 months?

might as well not even add them at that point

jesus

[oblique trail]

They removed them from the renown track

[mental rune]

Probably 8-9 weeks

[oblique trail]

And afaik they've not said anything outside of that when we'd otherwise get them

[upbeat swan]

Quick question, when running the slayer AM + Bladestorm setup, do I want to be holding Bladestorm to sync with 45 second reck + roar or am I just sending everything on CD?

[smoky vale]

send

[remote bobcat]

depends on how big the disparity is

[upbeat swan]

Cause timings get hella fucky

[smoky vale]

unless ava is up in 10

doubt that has changed in the apl

[last sparrow]

they just did an interview and mentioned 11.1.5

but no timescale i dont think

[floral atlas]

Did we ever get clarity on this (using Reck + Avatar together)? Berserker's Torment makes it so that casting one also casts the other so I assume we will use these separately as opposed to using them simultaneously as the guides currently recommend?

[last sparrow]

you just get additional time if you use them at the same time

[upbeat swan]

Okay got it ty, was unsure. I'm running it on Ansurek so probably gonna have to hold for certain moments but it's good to know

[floral atlas]

Oh, I didn't realize it adds to the duration if you "double dip" them. That makes sense, thank you!

Would be helpful if the tooltip indicated that somewhere lol

[remote bobcat]

nah most poeple just press bothj buttons and then look at their buffs

[last sparrow]

yeah most people dont think about it and just slap them

[floral atlas]

Back to facerolling it is, then

[mossy fox]

all i know is that it's VERY fast

[lilac hull]

The Thane M+ build says you can swap out Vicious Contempt for Odyn's Fury. Where do you find the 2 points to fill Critical Thinking?

[feral ivy]

this is patch 11.1.5? right?

[glad coyote]

11.1

[smoky vale]

11.1.0

[feral ivy]

ah then dinars will be 11.1.5 they jsut said in a interview

[smoky vale]

where

[feral ivy]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/naguura-interview-with-ion-hazzikostas-and-maria-hamilton-dinars-moved-to-11-1-5-374656

u watch the video and they say but if us scroll to the bottom it says

[frank dawn]

They've been pretty solid on 2 month patch cycles, a lot of feedback asked for Dinars to turn on around 2 months instead of 4 months in the original idea on the raid renoun

so makes sense

[feral ivy]

i think dinars for LATE season is amazing

like last 2months? of the season

[frank dawn]

why so long, that is forever into a season

most people have quit by that point

[dapper goblet]

madox for yellow

[remote bobcat]

up to 645 my boy

[lapis shadow]

Single Target fury warrior we dont pick up champion spear?

[remote bobcat]

its equal to roar

so like..why pick spear

[lapis shadow]

Funny spell

[feral ivy]

i HATE yall justt throwing that out..

[remote bobcat]

why

[feral ivy]

i get that and only got that

[remote bobcat]

do the weekly in undermine

the zone unlocked world quest

[glad coyote]

dwhy

[feral ivy]

the 3 WQ to unlock that major WQ yea thats what i got

[frank dawn]

wow nerf this guy

[indigo arch]

Spent the entire s1 with no m track sacbrood or wild hammer, don't nerf shit

ret got my first m track sacbrood on this tuesday so couldn't even up it

[south kayak]

spamming loot that you'll replace next week

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/997086666961457203/chatting.gif

[feral ivy]

wont replace that wep anytime soon

[restive peak]

You'll replace that wep literally tuesday

xD

[modest condor]

rank 3 most expensive enchant on an item you'll replace with the 2nd drop from m+

[restive peak]

None of this stuff matters unless you get it on a split alt you won't spend even 1 second gearing before splits Tues

Otherwise just have fun and meme

[young swan]

more like 8

[sour elbow]

NEVER replacing it. It has sentimential value... you just don't understand /hair flip

[feral ivy]

lol

[modest condor]

understandable

[south kayak]

lmfao

that hair flip

[restive peak]

xD

[indigo arch]

Rank 3 radiant glory, expensive

[sour frigate]

Gigachad

[indigo arch]

choose one

[south kayak]

it's not expensive anymore

maybe i'd rather buy rank 2

[modest condor]

anything that's more than 500g is expensive

[glad coyote]

wait what?

[twilit pelican]

is there any wa to track bloodcraze/ % crit on bt?

[glad coyote]

theres the WA for it

[feral ivy]

i thought 645 was s2 heroic ... u right

[twilit pelican]

can u link it please

[sly crane]

fury is super fun right now and pumping dps too

[shell jackal]

yo, WCL talent imports are fucked right? can anyone export the first 4 of NBP to me please 😅

i didn't have time to before raid

[feral ivy]

i just got this ring from a chest in undermine and i wowhead it .. its a item from 2008

[outer umbra]

nice ring time to find an ewife

[feral ivy]

transferring to a RP server

[glad coyote]

sorry i was thinking of BT, i track this via another addon for tracking such things that i built

[shell jackal]

can anyone unironically DM me talent setups for BB, Sik & Rasha

[sudden tusk]

its pretty thematic becuase that thing is considered a fake diamond irl

[shell jackal]

i'm having trouble copying the wcl page ones

[shell terrace]

Brooooo

@restive peak

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ffAVDD760dzqwyKB6iy-M-24QMLLmXSmBuFP-Mqff4Q/edit?gid=904386569#gid=904386569

Did u see u were on this ?? Say it ain’t so man

[restive peak]

Lmfao yeah I did, I laughed. All of my keys but 1 are the highest keys for my entire group 😛 Kubie is on there too and he was literally my Aug for half my keys

[shell terrace]

Dude that’s crazy they r just posting that stuff without it fact checking

[restive peak]

I can name about 6 people on that list who definitely did not buy a key, also I’m Canadian so those keys would cost like $700

[zealous parrot]

Buy me a carry too

Thanks

[restive peak]

HOF plus title every season, would be an expensive life

[shell terrace]

For real

[feral ivy]

is that the title ppl?

[shell terrace]

It’s a list of ppl who bought it apparently

[restive peak]

I will admit my 17 ara was carried…by an enhance shaman, I felt dirty. It was my only key done with an enh all season 😩 But also I didn’t need that key for title

[shell terrace]

But lot of ppl there didn’t

[lost saffron]

@clever belfry Pee pee

[feral ivy]

hpw did u find this lol

[clever belfry]

poopoo

[restive peak]

Yeah lmao, Serenity is also buying keys now

[lost saffron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKSIoK_l1To

[shell terrace]

It’s just being linked around places

[smoky vale]

how do they tell if its carried

[feral ivy]

oh

[indigo arch]

beat ret in a key, commence neutering of fury

[smoky vale]

just privated characters by people in the runs

[shell terrace]

Nooooo idea

[feral ivy]

i think on the bottom u can sumbit someone but idk if thats how u do it or if like someone said earlier they even check it

[shell terrace]

Someone said a script which would make sense how the wrong ppl got on it

But idk how that would work

[restive peak]

It looks like anyone who timed a 17/18 in the final week, they put on the list

It doesn’t bother me, they can throw me on the list next tier when I get it again too

[sinful spoke]

can my alts skip the quests into the new zone

[restive peak]

Nope lol

[sinful spoke]

crazy work

ig my alts are parked till then

[restive peak]

I mean unless you care about the free heroic crest on your alts you have to

[final eagle]

you unlock the zone instantly

[restive peak]

Otherwise you can go into the zone without doing them

[spice sage]

i had a siege carry cos it was 3 days before the season end and my team had no keys left and I'm not on that list. whoever made that is playing with fire, because there's also people that absolutely did not get carried on there.

[restive peak]

It’s just one of those “IF I WERE META ID HAVE TITLE REEE” people

Letting those things bother you is wild

[feral ivy]

there is one person on there whos 607 ilvl mscore of 2118

[restive peak]

What a gamer

[feral ivy]

unless hes the one sumbiting someone else and fucked up

im getting way into this lol i dont even care if they do or dont anyways

[short roost]

Did somewhere here buy title?

[dense elbow]

Quesiton is for what currency

Time, effort, sweat, blood, gold?

[glad coyote]

dang this guy buying title lol

[sullen dove]

do you think he bought his score maybe

can never be too safe

[sullen dove]

primogems

[dense elbow]

Pogs

[spice sage]

he bumped up the average score by 0.00000001... ban his ass

[sullen dove]

holy shit real ?

[zealous parrot]

dang this guy buying title lol nom 2.0

[zealous parrot]

[sullen dove]

what a silly waste of resources

[feral ivy]

lol i doubble checked and last time he did a key was 22weeks ago

[sullen dove]

i mean like getting title is cool and all to flex but like why buy if ppl just know youre not good enough to get it on your own anyway

all it takes is 1 key with real people

[dense elbow]

Completionist probably?

[restive peak]

It’s just to be cool Swordish GAWD YOU WOULDNT GET IT

[feral ivy]

do u get anything other than a title that last 1 season?

[sullen dove]

truuuue

[short roost]

Swordish is the coolest guy I know

[sullen dove]

thanks man!

[restive peak]

Very few people actually buy title, like it’s far less common than the community would pretend

You know how hard it is to carry someone through a title key? If they’re dead weight you’ll just miss timer

[sullen dove]

[shell jackal]

why are the wcl imports busted

idk how to make up my own specs i'm an invalid, what do

[dense elbow]

Tells you how ez title keys are

As you can carry 1 deadweight person

[spice sage]

this season is 99% down to the tank/healer tbh

dps are just passengers

[dense elbow]

99% sounds a bit much

[spice sage]

I don't think it's far fetched, obviously that's an extreme inflection but the entirety of CoT is a good example of a healer dungeon, it's the only key I did this season where we had to pre-plan defensive usage, cos going in to the last boss from a 16>17 was a night and day difference

[covert blaze]

wowhead

[shell jackal]

ah thank you yeah, those ones are solid for now ig

ty

[sullen dove]

they are solid for the whole tier B)

until tuning happens

[restive peak]

Tuning will be sadness

[sullen dove]

and ppl may pick and choose specific talents on some raid bosses to pad

[dense elbow]

Maybe they buff Slayer for Fury

[restive peak]

Yeah maybe they buff enhance too

Lmaooooo

[dense elbow]

Meh, hopefully they just nerf Thane a bit - put things more back in line

[young swan]

nerfing thane would just make things less balanced lol

[restive peak]

Yeah we are not the strongest AOE spec lol

If they nerf thane we’re in serious trouble, not a single one of these raid fights looks like a thane fight

[feral ivy]

they need to make the D.R.I.V.E event only ppl who is doing it because its not getting done.. sounds weird but makes sense

[dense drum]

In S1 There was a quest that yielded 9 of Heraldry for doing a pvp quest.
You could use 5 of those to craft an item that was 610 in pve. Is there a similar quest for new patch?

[fickle bluff]

hopefully? brother do you want this spec to be played at all

[dapper goblet]

if only there was another equally as op spec/hero talent for warrior

shucks

[restive peak]

If only there was a broken blue class Xeos the betrayer played

Blueboi Xeos

[dapper goblet]

crazy how there is 2 warriors to 1 shaman

some how i'm broken

[restive peak]

Ele busted big time

Enh 10 big booms

[sour frigate]

[dense elbow]

Warrior 5 big boom

[warm crag]

preach my cyan sponge

[restive peak]

Cyangie

[dense elbow]

Ngl, it feels bad playing Slayer and my AoE burst is just gone. When we cant double dip OF into it, there simply isnt much power to it. Just revert some power back into the burst and things will prob feel aight'

[restive peak]

We do amazing static dmg, it’s literally just a different profile

[dense elbow]

Kinda feels not like what Slayer is building up to, ya know

[restive peak]

When we did nothing but burst and zero damage, people complained about that. Can’t please everyone

I think the bigger design issue for slayer is execute being dogshit

[dense elbow]

Just buff exe dam and have BS ramp up more, prob should fix it

Remove the RB booster in slayer, move that into BS. Profile baseline is still flat. But you can at least spec into more burst

[restive peak]

RB is a problem as a whole

[dense elbow]

Think most agree to that being a reaccuring theme

Just give me a few weeks, my mind will adjust to these puny burst windows

[sour tundra]

there are barely any keys going on 😦 would have thought people wanted to test the new talent builds

[heavy dock]

i doubt it

[restive peak]

Most people do the campaign and chill

[heavy dock]

ppl want to play new content even if its waiting another week xd

btw am not caught up, is reckless thane dead?

[slim coral]

Slayer is the only spec being played in raid in 11.1

If anything buff thane

[iron plaza]

Why buff Thane when it's the best for M+ ?

[dense elbow]

cause he a raider

[iron plaza]

Why make one hero talent dominant for all content ?

[high echo]

this is blizzard

thats been the way forever

[iron plaza]

Warrior rn is like one of the few classes which is playing all hero talents across 3 specs

[feral ivy]

i dont do any professions but can they make t3 crest yet or no

[restive peak]

Buff Warrior by 40% agreed

[coarse nest]

Agreed

[south kayak]

I don't think that's true

a lot of classes are

[heavy dock]

is odyn fury not playable at all for now?

[coarse nest]

Odyn is real bad

It needs serious help to be picked again

[iron plaza]

Let me correct myself I meant warrior is one of the few classes which it's specs are playing both of their hero talents. Arms plays Slayer for Raid and Colossus for M+, Fury plays Thane for M+ and Slayer for Raid and Prot plays Thane for Raid and Colossus for M+

[feral ivy]

is there any reason to the main story quest on a alt?

[coarse nest]

Do we know if CE Ansurek is gone now?

I’m assuming yes since it’s a new patch

[clever belfry]

CE isnt gone

[forest owl]

do we play OF in any raid fights now

i see odyns isnt in the raid mt build

[coarse nest]

Good catch

[restive peak]

OF is deadge

[dense elbow]

it alive

look at it

[smoky vale]

XD

[dapper goblet]

OF will never be as good as it was in legion

get used to it old man

[dense elbow]

I defended OF

why you attak?

Xeos blueman bad

[smoky vale]

https://tenor.com/view/get-blown-up-dog-dog-explosion-sticky-notes-gif-17071604041793579031

[dense elbow]

[dapper goblet]

you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain

[smoky vale]

saved you from xeos saying it

[potent thicket]

so how we looking? fury gud? gud dmg? smash smash?

[dense elbow]

Fury gud, but låw burst

Dam stonk up

[potent thicket]

wowhead build good?

[dense elbow]

build gud

[slim coral]

Fury goated rn

[potent thicket]

no cap?

[slim coral]

Arms more goated by a little

[dense elbow]

no cap

[potent thicket]

bro tell me now cuz i wanna full main it no switch to pala

i neglected it in s1

[dense elbow]

Well - paladin still got dam and toolkit that is more sought after

So - hold on deciding till after the tuning pass

slap a -5% on us again, and ret just is better

[potent thicket]

imma just warr cuz i loved, in our raid guild we had a warr fully maxed and he was always top dps

[dense elbow]

hell-yea, warrior for laif, good choice

[potent thicket]

yee wok it roight warr iz it

[dense elbow]

PTSD kicking in'

[feral ivy]

ooo let me try lol what was the leader

cnat find no 12 mist anyways

[dense elbow]

Ya, he gone, but there is a mist up

[fading sky]

Seems fair. Theres.better classes than brown

[inner zinc]

There shouldn't be. Not im not unreasonable

[wanton mirage]

i cant figure how how to drift

suck

did i miss any tutorials?

[wispy thistle]

spacebar

and moving the camera

Is RA still usable? or is am the way to go now?

[fading sky]

Am a couple %. Bette4

[feral ivy]

feels good to delete NP WA just to replace with new ones

[fading sky]

So yes ra viable

[viral gulch]

For me, in m+ talents, RA sims a bit lower than AM, maybe it's the matter of secondary stats?

[chilly plume]

RA being lower than AM sounds like standard procedure rn

[viral gulch]

Erm, sorry, AM sims lower than RA 🥔

[feral ivy]

anyone else see this?https://wago.io/twwdungeons

is the wa locked till next week?

[solemn adder]

I noticed a similar thing, my RA setup sims higher than AM. I wonder what everyone is getting percentage difference wise cause at this point it’s been discussed so much that maybe the choice is entirely preference? RA is way simpler to play with in my opinion

[shell jackal]

do we not use OF anymore? just ran an entire raid w/ the wowhead suggested builds for ST/MT, neither of them specced into OF, was kinda strange

[solemn adder]

The general answer is no more OF

[feral ivy]

i suggest just stop using it now when it doesnt matter so u get use to the new rotation so when it does matter u wont look bad

[inner zinc]

WDYM, changing titan torment allowed blizz to buff OF by 15% and push it back to its former glory

[solemn adder]

In reference to OF?

[feral ivy]

yea

[dense elbow]

warrior stonk

[feral ivy]

some ppl usinig OF so they can do queen or raid like normal

[solemn adder]

Yea I’d say just not use it, it’s an easy enough plug in of an ability that if it does get a well needed buff it can just be plug and play. Theoretically

It’s depressing to see it so low, love that ability

[warm crag]

nerf

[dense elbow]

Warrior prob needs a nerf

I am not Thane

Thane would prob do 2.4-2.6

[arctic salmon]

the good meme here would be those enh shams being like 30 ilvl lower

[solemn adder]

Those enhance surely just aren’t doing great right? There’s absolutely no way we are beating them now

[dense elbow]

@true ibex what is the ilvl of your shammy?

[feral ivy]

i got a question and might sound stupid but if MT is supper strong for M+ high keys why not multi target raid?

[dense elbow]

Raid is more ST and adds die

M+ is tons of adds, all the time

[arctic salmon]

jaclappa

[dense elbow]

Then we can argue if Warcraft log censourship is a thing to factor in

removing adds and such as "pad"

[high echo]

MT is good consistent aoe

[covert blaze]

cause it's good in sustained multi target

[dense elbow]

Meanwhile, slayer AoE:

[high echo]

25% chance

to jump to the top of the meter

[covert blaze]

not in aoe

[sullen dove]

Hit bt more perhaps

[high echo]

every bt

[sullen dove]

it’s 67% chance in aoe

[high echo]

lmao thats true

[sullen dove]

If ur not bt ing on cd def doin it wrong

[feral ivy]

so MT raid is only good for bosses that are together non stop and not dying quick? like court?

[south kayak]

Where's funky

[sullen dove]

sure it’s stronger sustained multitarget

[dense elbow]

Funky here, sup?

[south kayak]

I have news for Odyn's Fury enjoyers

play enha

[dense elbow]

Why?

[sullen dove]

slayer burst aoe for almost all nerubar bosses cuz adds live 5 sec

[south kayak]

Primordial Storm is like a better and cooler looking Odyn's Fury

[dense elbow]

The closest thing would be retribution, with Wake of Ashes

[south kayak]

nah, Primordial Storm is it

[covert blaze]

yes

[dense elbow]

bingo

[feral ivy]

ahhh ok i fully understand now.. everyone saying same thing just wasnt clicking till that 5 sec lol

[frozen berry]

ALOT of the boss fights timings lined up with Slayer aoe burst VERY Well...

So Slayer blasted adds with cds in Nerubar. Hence why they nerfed us

[dense elbow]

That and HC dung week made us look like gods

Oneshotting packs, caused tons of forum drama

[high echo]

was a good time

[feral ivy]

oo wowhead down

1st time seeing that

[frozen berry]

Looks like there's very little difference between our ST and AOE builds for Slayer this teir, like 3-4 talent pts?

[high echo]

with odyns fury dead yeah

[dense elbow]

2pts, Meatcleaver <-> Massacre/AJ

Who sneak pinged me and deleted the post? Rude

[prime root]

looking at this wowhead opener, how do you bridge the rage gap to get the first rampage off when ur in M+ thane talents?

[south kayak]

lmfao, the discord kinda deleted it immediately for some reason, it was me

Wanted to show you the primordial storm

[dense elbow]

I dont care Box

Shaman aint for me

[south kayak]

[dense elbow]

I do enjoy shamans having fun, tho

Friends having a blast is great!

[high echo]

ravager gives rage

[south kayak]

[dense elbow]

Just aint for me

[south kayak]

I hope OF gets buffed

for you

[dense elbow]

thanks, I apprechiate it

[prime root]

ahhhh thank you it was bothering me appreciate ya 🙂

[high echo]

no worries

[orchid iron]

wait are we doing azerite powers again?

or is wowheads guide/tooltips just wierd

[covert blaze]

what

[orchid iron]

BiS List has azerite gear in it

[sour frigate]

skill issue massive

[covert blaze]

they probably saw your cooked talents

[gleaming siren]

@oblique trail is doing azerite power

[warm crag]

link or

[marble schooner]

has anyone tried Eye of Kezan yet? how fast does it stack up to 20 ? (does it have an ICD)

[warm crag]

fine on my end

[gleaming siren]

in his chinese gambling game

[marble schooner]

Im setting up the loot prio spreadsheet S.s

[orchid iron]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/bis-gear dungeon gear

[warm crag]

oh probs just linked to the wrong version of the item

[gleaming siren]

that's just the non-updated version

same name

same item

different stats (because it's in M+)

[orchid iron]

do they get secondaries now what?

[warm crag]

ye

its not azerite gear

[gleaming siren]

if you were around for Shadowlands Season 4

same thing

Azerite gear just became regular gear

[orchid iron]

word

[south kayak]

OF is a worse Primordial Storm

[oblique trail]

[primal anchor]

id love a new dps warrior !

[frozen berry]

Slayer feels so much slower now

[orchid iron]

with the glyph that makes enrage light you on fire and mountain thane popping off were basically enhance shamans now

[frozen berry]

The lag in the new zone might not be helping though tbh

[dense elbow]

[covert blaze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294680138042183711/1334106520711073803/8lGFp.gif

[high echo]

blood and thunder

[clever belfry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294680138042183711/1334106520711073803/8lGFp.gif?ex=67c0e5c5&is=67bf9445&hm=7c1541ed77f7ffaacbd700a24820c92c46b940e3ec0afad99c02061e199fdbfb&

[feral ivy]

lets just be VERY happy our BIS stuff comes from easy dungeons not operation dungeons

[slim elm]

Since this patch rampage doesn't change bloodthirst and raging blow into bloodbath ect, its just recklesness that does it right? Or is it just bugged

[sullen dove]

reck does but most just dont use that talent anymore

AM better

[slim elm]

it's worth desyncing it from avatar for higher uptime even in M+?

[sonic pelican]

Anyone have any builds for Mythic queen for this week?

[feral ivy]

just use the old build it is less dmg but tbh that dmg is enough to kill it the only problem with queen is mechanic

or use the new build just gotta fix ur mistakes each pull

[high echo]

how much is the difference between frenzied enrage and powerful enrage

[odd badger]

anyone have a good talent build for mythics with new class changes

[frozen berry]

WoWhead

[oblique trail]

[clever belfry]

post schmidi sleep gif

[oblique trail]

I don't have it favourited..

sry..

[clever belfry]

same

hence i asked

@solemn plover schmidi sleep gif

[oblique trail]

[clever belfry]

she vs her

[obsidian yarrow]

Man mashing raging blow is super fun.

Wish they gave bt more priority to press more than it gets pressed now

[sullen dove]

isn’t it like… the top priority

Procs everything for both specs

does a ton of damage esp with perma locking vc it is your ONLY execute damage buff

at least the 1 key i did with it it was doing as much dmg as ramp tho i was like hard focusing it

[obsidian yarrow]

Nah you press raging blow twice as much cos it stacks the crit buff and makes rampage hit harder

And the resets make rb hit harder as well

But when you do press bt it feels good, just want that feeling more lmao

Cos big number

[smoky vale]

lord andussy im at the point where everytime i run the script i get an error

🙂

https://tenor.com/view/kanamewo-smoking-smoke-anime-anime-girl-gif-16373548

[clever belfry]

ok

[oblique trail]

the error is that you're a noob

[smoky vale]

correct

[south kayak]

Can you do all the new chapters rn

Or are some locked behind next week

[oblique trail]

You can do 4 chapters

[south kayak]

Ok thanks

[slim pollen]

Anyone else got cheat out of a veteran piece from those weekly quest boxes? Clearly says first 2 should give one each, but I've only had 1 veteran piece, and then just keys and other currencies from the following ones

[oblique trail]

I also only got 1 piece

It is what it is

[warm crag]

Hello!

[south kayak]

Yeah that sucks but you’ll replace that gear pretty fast anyway

[warm crag]

u are cooked if you care about this my king

[oblique trail]

Odd you didn't reply to my DM or reply in another Discord?

[warm crag]

ok replying

[oblique trail]

I think I have to time you out now

[south kayak]

Uh oh

[smoky vale]

one piece?

[south kayak]

One Piss

[smoky vale]

is it real

[warm crag]

i have sufficient power over banezi to also get you timed out over the removal of schnappi

[smoky vale]

wtf

[slim pollen]

Hey, I also cleared ALL the "super rares" etc. back in dragonflight before the first season! I enjoy the farm for the tiny edge even if It doesn't really get me anywere in the long run

[smoky vale]

you bring back the schnappi

i cant

[south kayak]

Based

[warm crag]

i was #1 ilvl in the world for a day at that time and i can promise you that i got benched for the tier

it was extremely mentally ill don't do that

[south kayak]

[smoky vale]

thats why schnappi isnt coming back

[paper ivy]

what build do u guys recommnec playing on queen mythic tmrw?

[clever belfry]

i was above u for 3 weeks straight noob

[paper ivy]

the new MT slayer build angermanagment or reck abandon

[slim pollen]

... I also kept flying laps around the world to kill the rares with a timer WA just to get more crafted pieces than most of the other people in my guild 😅
(which I did, i was a few sparks ahead of rest of them)

[south kayak]

Is there a reason why I should do this new quest line on my main or can I just do it on an alt because they could use the ilvl?

[warm crag]

ok shadow gm turned light gm

[mild ravine]

Man, do we have a ball park figure of the difference between m+ slayer and thane? AM slayer is just so fun.

[warm crag]

just send slayer it at worst won't be too far behind

you're probably not clearing world first keys next reset ye

[oblique trail]

Officer of being a noob

[modest condor]

lmao gottem

[clever belfry]

king vs noob

wcyd

[warm crag]

now filter it by damage taken

[paper ivy]

if someone wanted to kill queen tmrw

would they play slayer angermangment or reckless abandon

with the current gear

[clever belfry]

i take 0 optional damage

[paper ivy]

so many fury gods here and no one answers me -_-

[oblique trail]

Slayer ra

[oblique trail]

Now short by amount of deaths to aggro and swirlies on broodtwister prog

[high echo]

just copy the slayer raid cleave from wowhead

[oblique trail]

You will be owned

[clever belfry]

i farmed swirlie deaths

dont worry

[mild ravine]

Won't go anywhere above 15s over the season, I just don't to be hindrance for my friends

[mint moat]

is the AM build just the best build now for fury?

[oblique trail]

Simwise it's a few % ahead of RA, but in practice it very much depends on the fight

[mint moat]

feels like RA hits harder

[oblique trail]

As for M+, I'm not sure but you can probably play either and be fine 👍

[oblique trail]

Well that's sort of the point

[mint moat]

ya

i didnt mean it dmg wise

like overrall wise

the cds and pulls line up better

AM feels like you might do more ST

but high keys is all about big pulls

[oblique trail]

AMs strength is just having your CDs more frequently

It's not unheard of getting 2x Reck casts in a single pack with AM

Or simply allowing you to have more consistent damage pack to pack

I've not played on the ptr nor any keys after the buffs to actually see what the difference looks like, but play either one that you prefer and you'll do damage

[mint moat]

anyone have an arms build yet

[sour frigate]

wowhead has

[restive edge]

So is there any point to do m+ this week? Vault next week will have s1 loot right?

[drifting copper]

no point no

so in single target we prio rb>bt mostly and for aoe is bt>rb now?

[fickle bluff]

BT pulls ahead at 5 targets

Lost a little value because they never buffed reap the storm

[warm crag]

preach cyan sponge

[drifting copper]

appreciate the info. Wow head has what to do, but they don't explain why.

[potent pasture]

Did anyone played fury at ptr?
For the single target why wowhead suggest AM instead of RA?

RA weaker than AM?

[drifting copper]

ye think critcake went over it in his video

[restive peak]

RA is weaker on an almost perfect uptime fight, but may pull ahead on fight design

[drifting copper]

said it might be competetive if optimized but still weaker

[restive peak]

Tbh none of the fights seem like you won’t be able to keep extreme uptime barring the odd mechanic, it’s about a 2% loss for RA vs AM

New RA is kinda meh anyway, no desire to play it

[potent pasture]

Thx 🙂

[slim coral]

bud hasn't tested mythic

[restive peak]

Done a ton of vod review and planning, I think the fights with adds mean you want AM anyway even if you get assigned a few sec downtime

We’ll see once I get in, I think arms is probably better for boss dam and execute anyway. If you’re hell bent on fury regardless, you should likely play to our consistent cd 5 target cleave

Cuz you’d only go RA if you’re concerned about downtime and boss dam

[river hare]

hey

So i am a Fury Warrior all the way, enough that I made and boosted another warrior (that happens to also be fury) so i had more than 1 or 2 characters to do things on 🤣

[sudden tusk]

hot dog

[restive peak]

Lmaooooo

[forest owl]

so what we saying, fury nerfs week 1 like nerub'ar aoe?

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/burnice-zzz-zenless-zone-zero-zzz-burnice-burnice-dance-gif-11379222240900404037

[indigo arch]

Just nerf AM so I can go back RA

[abstract flower]

its so joever I dont vibe with fury anymore

[restive pewter]

FELLAS SEND HELP IM ABOUT TO PULL MYTHIC QUEEN ALL TALENTS WENT 💥

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/talent-builds-pve-dps

is this good enough

the multitarget build off here

[winter shoal]

T hink Archi said he used the AM aoe build on queen ya

Or just look at logs from 11.1 kills

[restive peak]

New RA is not the same, its dog

Like dog to play, old RA far better

[winter shoal]

old RA was so fundamentally flawed though, I feel like new RA gives them more to iterate on

It is kinda beans to play though imo, esp for thane

[restive peak]

It just feels like shit

Idk doesn’t feel impactful to me

[forest owl]

i played it one boss and then went back AM and been that since

[winter shoal]

I think if the BB dot worked like ignite instead of lasting 40+ seconds, it'd feel a bit better

[keen sequoia]

is tierset still working?

[smoky vale]

burnice

[restive peak]

Yeah the dot is just so…inconsequential feeling

[river hare]

I have been wondering what your guy's opinons are for slayer vs MT? Before the class changes, i was running slayer while having thunderous roar, avatar, bladestorm, Reckless abandon, and odyn's fury (with titanic rage). I had the whirlwind one that lets your next 4 single target abilities do multitarget damage.

I have been just been using the Wowhead default raid slayer talent build, and now I cant have as many of the things that are basically a must have for me like (Odyn's fury). I havent used MT yet because the execute focused (slayer) build was what I liked before, but most of the guides for fury say that MT is generally better overall if you arent solely raiding. I dont do any Raiding or M+,

Should I try MT? and if so, what is the jist of what your rotation is?

[modest condor]

nerfing it by 66% was a choice

[restive peak]

Was it ever

[summer quail]

if you do not do any raiding or m+ you just play whatever you enjoy more. it will not make a big difference

[fickle stirrup]

Idk, Fury having a DoT at all seems weird with how little it's supported by the rest of their kit

[river hare]

hmm ok

[restive peak]

I hated the last few arms iterations because it felt like a bleed spec, now RA feels like a bleed spec

Yeah Grim, the wowhead builds are definitely tuned to balance min maxing and ease of play

[river hare]

true

[restive peak]

But if you’re not bothering with the high up content, running what you enjoy will leave you more than able to play

And you should focus on that

[river hare]

ok

[earnest canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/tigerking-joe-exotic-tking-gif-15346936622804303578

[edgy widget]

This is what I ran, and it went really well until someone jihaded me with stacked orbs

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/fury/slayer/DAOBVUFUFQhIUIpRUBQNVVEVUZVRRWBQQCEQEFVVUBE

used the same on Ansurek, though in retrospect I would probably drop ImpWW/MeatCleaver for full ST with 2/2 Depths and DoI, since I spent very little time actually cleaving anything - most of my AoE was just bladestorm

[hardy cargo]

hooly look at all them grey capstones

[earnest canyon]

Yeah, we hav a lot though

[restive pewter]

LOL alright thank you thank you will use this

[clever path]

that song was way too catchy for its own good

[restive pewter]

o wait theres revisions let me slot those in

[edgy widget]

and just send every CD on cooldown unless a damage phase is coming up within ~1m (Reck)/30s (BS)

[remote yew]

Hey gang trying to min/max which cartel should I align with?

[edgy widget]

e.g. don't send during the first circle strafing intermission, cause you got a dam phase right after that

[edgy widget]

there's no power associated with them, choose whoever you want

it's basically the same as choosing between the three Nerubians in Season 1

[remote yew]

but theres gotta be a best one, right?

[fickle cedar]

there's no power gain, took the first one for the red car 😎

[edgy widget]

there's no power attached

https://www.wowhead.com/news/the-cartels-of-undermine-choosing-a-cartel-and-rewards-preview-373457

pick whatever reward you want or pick one at random, it doesn't matter
and you'll get them all eventually anyway

[remote yew]

thanks team

[edgy widget]

they all give a mount, pet, toy, and car paint job, so just choose your favorite

[remote yew]

thanks @edgy widget ❤️

[radiant plank]

One gives infinite noggennfogger

so its objectively the best

[edgy widget]

counterpoint: just play Human (master race) and you never need noggenfogger in the first place