fury

[sullen dove]

if they just like giga buffed bb but gave it slightly longer cooldown it could actually feel good to ramp > cb 3 times > bb or somethin

it all comes back to onslaught

Turn all these mid ass buttons into an onslaught and it’s cinema

[dense elbow]

Why do we gotta shovel RB into everything

[sullen dove]

cuz it’s your most hit ability idk

bb has a cooldown but you get charges and resets of cb so if u can’t spam cb what is the point of it always being active without hitting ramp before it

[red berry]

it is just a core part of the rotation yeah

[dense elbow]

Well, RB being empowered and part of everything, is great for a flat profile if nothing else

[quiet geyser]

Fury execute buff still missing from patch notes

[static needle]

any new potential builds for 11.1?

[sullen dove]

it’s not flat anymore since it’s not always active anymore just during reck

[dense elbow]

Our execute was too strong on some of the raid bosses, had to be gutted in the name of 'balance'

[sullen dove]

but the fact u have to upkeep some shitty bb dot and build it to last 5 minutes means you are hitting bb on cd and hitting cb way less than you should be able to for it only being active during reck

[quiet geyser]

Rip slayer

[dapper goblet]

everyone hated AM when you had to play it again for fated and couldnt play RA..

now everyone hates RA

curious..

[dense elbow]

ppl hated on AM back then?

[mossy fox]

people have always hated on AM

[dapper goblet]

silence cowardcake

[mossy fox]

i'm an AM enjoyer

sorry xeos

[dense elbow]

I am confused, why would ppl hate on AM?

[quiet geyser]

Everyone hated how weak it was, not the playstyle

[restive peak]

I was always an AM enjoyer come @ me

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[sullen dove]

Me when they change RA to be dogshit

[dapper goblet]

same thing

nice cope

[south kayak]

same

[dapper goblet]

saw some diabolical things just now btw

[sullen dove]

how diabolical

[south kayak]

new RA would be fine if the CB and BB were much stronger

but they're not that much stronger

[sullen dove]

grom message you some obscenities or

[dapper goblet]

very

negative

[sullen dove]

unfort

[restive peak]

Share with the class blueboi

[sullen dove]

blue MAN

[dapper goblet]

blow up

wish i had 2 specs that were op

only have 1

[restive peak]

Didn't ask about your wife big dog

GOTTEM

[dapper goblet]

dont have a wife

[sullen dove]

Aren’t both your specs op too

[dapper goblet]

(yet)

[restive peak]

(smart)

[sullen dove]

or did your blue man rep also sandbag

[remote bobcat]

stuns DR would get fucky, make it a knockup

[dapper goblet]

um i odnt have a rep

[south kayak]

xeos explaining how warriors simming .1% higher than enha is bad for the game

https://tenor.com/view/explaining-gif-22499839

[dapper goblet]

not bad for the game..should just own your class being op..

[sullen dove]

Practice whatcha preach

shaman bad

[remote bobcat]

yea but even if it was strong, the BB bleed feels kinda shit because it extends the duration upon repeated applications instead of increasing damage in a set duration

[dense elbow]

Would be a shame if the class that cant dispell did more damage than the class that does
#nerf warrior #justiceforshamans #retlivesmatter

[remote bobcat]

nah including that disgusting ranged class is heretical

[dapper goblet]

never said that

[dense elbow]

You say a lot of things, that is likely one of them

[dapper goblet]

mostly accurate things

99% of the time

like OF is dogshit

[sullen dove]

real

[flat river]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-1-undermine-d-official-patch-notes-373971

[young swan]

thanks havent seen those before

[flat river]

no problem

[radiant plank]

Damn nice arms buffs

arms meta?

[dense elbow]

No way! What does it say about warrior?! Please give screenshots and comments!

[flat river]

there

[dense elbow]

[fast mural]

why is one of them blue

[obsidian yarrow]

Am I reading correctly that BB and RB are now in cool-downs? We looking at some different priorities outside of burst windows

[restive peak]

I laughed really fuckin hard at that line

Lmaooooo

[flat river]

inclusion

[dense elbow]

It is a really good line

[flat river]

it is definitly a line

[young swan]

yeah

[earnest canyon]

What time do you guys get the patch in NA?

[young swan]

3pm pst

is when servers are meant to open

[earnest canyon]

cool

[fringe vale]

we all know that shit aint opening at 3pm lmao

[earnest canyon]

extended maintenance probably yes

[mossy fox]

holy moly i didn't know i yapped for that long

(i didn't, timestamp is wrong)

[fringe vale]

proffesional yapper

[young swan]

its possible it opens early

no raid

= faster maintenance

[fringe vale]

car implementatiuon is gonna fuck up remember me

[young swan]

usually its the raid and m+ that fucks things up

[flat river]

ret is 5 big booms as usual

[earnest canyon]

did you get the love you bye in or did max?

[mossy fox]

uhh it's complicated

[flat river]

xd

[earnest canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/calvinbanks-ashtonsummers-friends-holding-hands-gif-13253583

[mossy fox]

he said "alright fuck yeah love hearing that" and i said "you know what else I love" and then he hung up

i almost had him dude

[flat river]

xd

guess he loves leaving people hanging

[rose bay]

Damn

need more ahste

[earnest canyon]

🤣

[median marsh]

whats the overall outcome of changes for s2?
we get buffed or nerfed?
rotation stay the same?

[young swan]

giga buffed

[flat river]

5% nerf

[young swan]

burst aoe got shot in the head

[mossy fox]

are you seriously asking if this is a net nerf or buff

[frank dawn]

looks like giga nerf to me tbh

[mellow bloom]

looks like a nerf

[flat river]

5% nerf is all i see

[median marsh]

all i see is 5% nerf, this is on the first line!

[spare steppe]

has the rotation changed?

[young swan]

not really

[spare steppe]

wonderful

[median marsh]

nice nerfs

[chilly harbor]

is the RA redesign good or bad?

[oblique trail]

5% > many numbers

[mellow bloom]

both warrior speccs looking good am i dreaming

[summer quail]

hmh did they forget the execute buff from a while ago?

[median marsh]

no avatar buff 😦

[novel perch]

6 abilites buffed, but ALL ABILITIES reduced. Must be a nerf

[chilly harbor]

with the RA change, wtf are we gonna do outside reck

[red berry]

they probably did just forget execute. or i hope anyway

[frank dawn]

I mean they buffed OF and it's still dog shit

[slim coral]

it's obviously a nerf

[red berry]

a lot of damage. the core rotationals were buffed a shitton

[slim coral]

meanwhile our main cds

tickle

[red berry]

and yeah the execute buff is really just for slayer

ive done nothing but complain about fury CDs being lackluster so. felt

odyns being buffed 10% to compensate for the loss of titans torment when it was originally buffed how much?

[covert coyote]

Fury has CDs?

[gritty yoke]

yeah you know when you just bump 1st on details for like 2,5s before going into oblivion

[summer quail]

on live that is all fury has xD. consistant damage is ass

[dense elbow]

Is that a buff?

[chilly fractal]

I’m gonna have to crunch the numbers

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-family-guy-research-gif-21403742

[edgy widget]

man I've been saying it all week, but people still freaking out about -5% ability damage

[mossy fox]

[frank dawn]

nerfed and target capped, it's so joever

[hasty tide]

It is weird/lazy tuning though making underperforming parts of our rotation even worse

To curb the buffs to main rotation they gave us

[fast mural]

that 5% nerf might be a multiplicative who knows

[dense elbow]

The goal was to make us flat, and this does that

[restive peak]

When we bursted too hard, the community fuckin panicked

This is safer

[dense elbow]

Warrior delete packs in my HC dung! Nerf nerf!

[edgy widget]

I mean the biggest thing effected is the cooldowns (BS, etc) and I wouldn't say they're underperforming

yeah Sidearm got hit, but -5% off 0.6% is effectively nothing

[violet condor]

just hope this doesnt lead to 6 more nerfs like s1...

[edgy widget]

what the tuning did accomplish was putting damage back into rotationals - making Fury more of a sustained damage dealer instead of a burst one, which is also something people have been asking for

[dense elbow]

Lincc >:(

[hasty tide]

Bizzaro version of first 2 weeks of s1 lol

[restive peak]

This is goated, yall don't see how goated it is

And 3 weeks from now, you'll be glazing it

[dense elbow]

I wont, and ya know it

[edgy widget]

I mean that was the whole problem with the first 2 weeks of S1, all our damage was in Bladestorm/OF

[restive peak]

Funky noone can save you

[dense elbow]

Fair

[edgy widget]

how many times have people complained about Fury not being competitive v 5 targets, despite being capped at 5 targets?

[restive peak]

^

^^^^^^^^^^^^

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Pin that

So my name sends them to it

So I can type it less

[dense elbow]

I rather just blast AoE with CDs

[edgy widget]

you still can, -5% off Bladestorm is barely a tickle

[hasty tide]

Also underrated part of the patch, our defensive toolkit got better too

[edgy widget]

and despite all the memes, OF actually got buffed lol

[dense elbow]

This be true, it will almost do dam now, not bad

It is worth a lot more than a WW in that global for sure

[edgy widget]

OF deals more or less as much dam as base Bladestorm/Rav do, in a single GCD

I mean it's not a good ST button (nor, arguably should it be), and there are some talent economy issues that keep it from being a prime pick all the time, but idk that its problem is really raw damage

[frank dawn]

ehhhh, I mean talent tax is certainly a thing, but BS/Rav all have hero talents and/or unhinged buffing them too

[hasty tide]

So crazy to see arms and fury potentially tuned well at the same time

[high echo]

do you pick it in cleave fights now?

[heady cobalt]

of and onslaught need there end talents reworked, dk what tho

[frank dawn]

I mean Titanic Rage is fine imo, it just needs to be stronger

Dancing Blades needs to be thrown out and redesigned tho

[dense elbow]

No, because VC will do more than OF if the target count isnt silly high

[edgy widget]

you mean in 11.1? I think it'll depend on timing and how long targets live

[high echo]

figured

[edgy widget]

Thane doesn't use OF cause it doesn't really have room in the rotation for it and there's a premium on talent points

But Slayer could use it - if we have another Rasha'nan like fight, I'm certain Slayer will take OF for it

assuming WCL doesn't decide to blacklist add damage anyway

[harsh barn]

Hey Arch, would you have a recommendation between arms and fury for mythic+ or is it too early to tell?

[edgy widget]

probably Fury, but honestly both kinda blast

[sullen dove]

Of buffed but you have 33% less ofs…

[mossy fox]

i'm gonna guess arms if you need more aoe for the big pull dungeons, especially with an organised group, otherwise fury

[sullen dove]

and replacing it with some goofy am only capstone

[mossy fox]

or just fury if you need the st/prio dam

[edgy widget]

you also have Berserker's Torment now though, which isn't a weak talent

[summer quail]

anyone know if we can get a delve vault with new stuff before season? someone said delves come out this reset

[edgy widget]

you will almost certainly still get a S1 vault

[mossy fox]

if true it's delve stream tomorrow holy

ok i trust archi

[clever path]

yeah s2 doesnt start till raid and mplus season drops

[sullen dove]

me when delves useless content

[high echo]

yeah vault is not giving anything new till march

1 week to chill

[summer quail]

ye i was just hoping... imagine getting energy drink on season start holy moly

[clever path]

i mean delves are looking to be a good supplemental gear source

[restive peak]

Rumours M0s give 636 for catchup

But we'll see tm

But I'm pretty sure we don't get the new m0s til the 4th

[edgy widget]

they did say M0 would have their ilvl increased substantially, idk to what exactly though

[modest condor]

m0 wouldnt be open tomorrow anyway surely

[edgy widget]

we dont' get new M0 till the 4th, that is correct

[harsh barn]

Wait so mythic 0 isn't tomorrow?

[edgy widget]

nope, not till season start

[modest condor]

officially it's still season 1 until the raid opens

you just cant get m+/pvp title anymore

[edgy widget]

tomorrow is quest content, fix your talents, and victory lap nerub-ar palace

[dense elbow]

1shot some ppl in BGs

[harsh barn]

The class changes go live tomorrow though right?

[fast mural]

imagine they nerf us because of next week nerubar logs

[quiet geyser]

@edgy widget im assuming fury execute buff being missing is just a typo on blizz end?

[fast mural]

[harsh barn]

Thanks for clarifying. Is it difficult to gear for both specs at the same time?

[edgy widget]

na

[edgy widget]

Yeah, never trust those mass notes

[radiant plank]

gear for fury and grab a crit neck for arms

and u are g2g

[high echo]

may be an arms angle from me to keep things fresh

[compact knot]

surely mortal strike didnt actually get buffed by 66%

[edgy widget]

especially with the higher gear levels, most stat values start to converge

[high echo]

fury since sept zz

[compact knot]

lul

[feral ivy]

I’ve been off and on recently any new rotation or major talent thing I need to know ?

[quiet geyser]

We play AM mostly for fury now, that already is a fresh change

[edgy widget]

na, it actually got buffed by 65.60030581563197%

from 3.50538 -> 5.80492

[compact knot]

yeah its missing 0.39969418436%, unplayable spec

[high echo]

🤓

[mossy fox]

and try not to upset too many people in raid with your newly gigabuffed warrior

[high echo]

(sry archi ily)

[edgy widget]

but Martial Prowess also got nerfed from 30 -> 15%, so the actual numbers are muddled a bit

[edgy widget]

I'm just waiting for the shock when people enter Undermine and forget they no longer have +18% from the Nerub-ar raid buff

[summer quail]

wdym? all abilities got nerfed by 5%, it's a nerf

[mossy fox]

[earnest canyon]

I did that new dungeon on HC, and there was an enh in the group, and for AoE, he just destroyed me.....was like 20% ahead lol....but on every boss I was ahead by miles. And I was playing thane....was weird

[edgy widget]

Enh is nutty, and still bugged for the 193948th time

[fast mural]

we gonna upset everyone except enh

[dense elbow]

Enh that gets lucky procs is just... amazing. I am not even mad. I am just amazed

[earnest canyon]

granted i was spending half my time messing around with plater and trying to get raid frames to show as party colors

[fervent yoke]

Shhhhh guys stay low key or we gonna get gutted week 1 again

[high echo]

its the worst when someone people say warrior is always op or something

[dense elbow]

I gonna blast week 1, and nooone can stop me

Those delves going down!

[summer quail]

i doubt it. we got gutted because of raid design last time. we do not have 3 fights where we are godlike this time

[earnest canyon]

how many new delves are there?

[fast mural]

2

[fervent yoke]

We have like 3 execute bosses

[feral ivy]

@edgy widget I’m at work so I can’t really tell if you did or didn’t or when but the wow head site did/are you going to update it

[earnest canyon]

oh ok cool, i like delves.....do they give increased loot or stop at 8 again

[summer quail]

yeah, so arms will get gutted

we are bingchilling

[high echo]

they give crests now

[fast mural]

crests at 10+

or 11

i dont remember

[dense elbow]

10+ and bountiful, no?

[fast mural]

sure

[earnest canyon]

so is 10 the cut off? or is it worth running as high as you can? Cos I did 12 just to say ive done one

[dense elbow]

Doesnt matter, we will be doing m+

[fervent yoke]

Idk if they know how to nerf a warrior spec without the other catching strays but fingers crossed lol

[fast mural]

nerfing OF for arms

incoming

[dense elbow]

If arms needs a nerf, we very likely will be next on the block

[high echo]

slayer execute stuff maybe

[dense elbow]

Maybe they nerf VC to 5/10%, to reduce our execute impact

[indigo arch]

Don't worry they'll nerf rallying cry to be 5% health

[obsidian yarrow]

please execute feels like ass to use

[indigo arch]

balance saved!

[summer quail]

what i hope they do is nerf arms execute(the spell) that way colossus is the play in all content

[fast mural]

you mean 2.5%

[high echo]

not new execute

does way more damage, and slayer even has a small new effect on it

(visual)

[obsidian yarrow]

in patch?

[high echo]

yes

[dense elbow]

All I want to - is to make you guys aware that 1 rampage will 100 to 0 ppl in PvP, so make sure you have fun with it

[high echo]

pvp looks a little cracked atm

but its probably caster meta again anyway, but we'll see

[dense elbow]

I just wonder if the broken state will reach season start, I hope not

[harsh barn]

So wait, do the class changes go live tomorrow? Or not till the season starts?

[obsidian yarrow]

patch is in like 20 hours or something

[earnest canyon]

rallying cry feels super weak

[dense elbow]

Tomorrow or the day after if you are EU

[opaque falcon]

Are the new m0 dungeons tomorrow or naw

[high echo]

its wednesday morning for eu as usual

[dense elbow]

I doubt they are out tomorrow, but it would make sense

Prob goes out on season start, as old season dung pools lasts till 5th. So prob just an error message when you try to go in

^ this one

[harsh barn]

nope

[left elk]

Been out of the loop lately, what is the feeling we are having towards titans torment and the bloodbath/crushing blow changes?

[frank dawn]

Specialization set to Fury. Odyn Fury being powerful not yet available.

[summer quail]

titans torment might as well not exist

we play berserkers torment in all builds

[dense elbow]

Die TT die

[forest tapir]

Why will the Pvp talent barbarian be removed?

[left elk]

I figured so, more fun to play anyways zug zug

[summer quail]

ask in #pvp. majority of us in here has no clue about anything pvp

[high echo]

blizz doesnt really know either, there is a new talent that replaces jump though

is it good? not sure yet

[lapis shadow]

Charge

Click Rampage

Win

[high echo]

more like

get rooted into snared 24/7

die

[elder mulch]

Hey , will M0 be available on the 26th?

[left elk]

No

Season start

[sterile plover]

Hi all, does anybody out here know if they will limit the amount of crest as the did in the first weeks of s1?

[sour frigate]

Yes

[sterile plover]

Ty

[left elk]

Have to gatekeep

[sterile plover]

I assume they will also reset catalyst charges right

[oblique trail]

Yes as they have done for any prior season

[sterile plover]

Ty ty

[earnest canyon]

If they dont, some people will just play and play and til they are max iLevel

[sterile plover]

Its my first season so quote new Situation to me

Quite*

[south kayak]

-18% dps nerf

[small trout]

Noob here, which spec has more survivability, fury or arms?

[oblique trail]

Fury

But Arms is by no means squishy either

It just doesn't have the same level of tools to make up for mistakes as Fury does through self heals

[median token]

warriors dont make mistakes

[thorny arch]

If you're getting directly attacked arms is arguably better with die by the sword, but if it's just group damage fury is probably better on survivability with all of the self heals.

[oblique trail]

You should never be directly attacked, so DBTS' use is pretty niche

[thorny arch]

This

[oblique trail]

But there are rare cases where a tank messes up and you're able to somewhat recover a pull, by tanking with DBTS for a while till they either get CR'd or get back quickly

But niche cases like this shouldn't be relied on

[small trout]

Understood, so this might be another point to consider if dps turns out to be close. Thanks

[sly tapir]

yo whats the queen anserek build for rwl gamers

[pale sentinel]

So what are we running for raids > FURY and M+ > ARMS?

[warm crag]

probably whatever execute build sims highest on arms

unless you need ppl to blow adds for some reason

[sly tapir]

okay but if i am instrumental in breaking webs and killing adds on fury

[oblique trail]

Pick the slayer M+ setup basically

Or whatever the top logs use on warcraftlogs

[sly tapir]

is there 11.1 talent trees on the faq?

i could just be blind

[warm crag]

idk if fury even has that damage pattern anymore

[oblique trail]

Right, you mean for next reset

[warm crag]

i suppose adds would just evaporate to your first odyns fury and you dont need the second

[sly tapir]

thats also what i am worried about yeah

[warm crag]

can probs just play the same build then but frontload your OF instead of backloading it

[oblique trail]

You can find the 11.1 talent presets if you go to the Wowhead PTR talent calculator

And pick anyone of those

If you are still missing webs and spider damage, try moving talents around for OF

[dapper goblet]

madox for yellow

[sly tapir]

i didnt know about these presets on wowhead thanks!

[oblique trail]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/talent-calc/warrior/fury/slayer in case you need the link

Though keep in mind the preset for raid has AM

[sly tapir]

nah i got it and yeah idk about AM

[oblique trail]

I would not recommend AM over RA due to the forced downtime and specific CD timings for Ansurek

[summer quail]

you just got to queen now?

[sly tapir]

no we have like a month of prog

just started getting to p3 last week

[summer quail]

okok good, holy moly that would be insane

[sly tapir]

p2 portals hopefully get figured out and we all kind of assume boss dies fast p3 with all the damage increases at this point

so like 10-15 p3 pulls and we could just scrape a kill

is the new bloodbath dot like a big portion of our damage

or is it whatever and just dont cry over lost dot uptime on adds in p2

[midnight kite]

I think when I was testing sims RA would sim around 100k lower

[sly tapir]

but i dont want to relearn timings xdd

[midnight kite]

And AM tends to oversim historically so hopefully both close

[upbeat plume]

and also even in sims, the two are super close right now

[midnight kite]

I did have to take slightly different talents to prop up RA a hair when I was trying tho

[upbeat plume]

unless theres a fight with specific timings like Broodtwister for am Im sticking with RA unless the math wildly changes after tomorrow

[summer quail]

no. new bloodbath dot does very little

[sly tapir]

perfect just going to use RA

[fervent yoke]

Go arms it’s gonna slap

[summer quail]

can you still get CE next week?

[sly tapir]

its possible

guild seems to think so, we took a vote on raid this week and it passed so

[upbeat plume]

overall sims say that fury and arms are also gonna be super close this coming tier

[sly tapir]

arms probably just shines bc of execute phase bosses

from what i have seen on raid testing

[upbeat plume]

which if we saw anything for s1 wars, do well in the first two weeks and get obliterated with nerfs lol

[sly tapir]

i intend to reroll i will not get baited by warrior being good due to fight design and then getting spanked with nerfs

[upbeat plume]

lol you get used to it

[sly tapir]

i will keep my warrior geared if they turn out to be insane and worth stacking tho

[summer quail]

honestly i think fury is pretty safe next season. there's no giga add fights with low hp

[upbeat plume]

yeah and barring the execute fights, they are slightly behind arms

[sly tapir]

i would be playing arms primarily

[upbeat plume]

for ST at least for sims

eh both specs are looking solid next season barring the fights that favor execute

[young swan]

2/3 of the last 3 have dedicated execute phases so i would be kind of surprised if you saw fury there

(outside of one tricks, of course)

[summer quail]

don't worry, arms will get nerfed because of that. then we play fury each fight

bingchilling

[sudden tusk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1212528993283088384/1228863090368450592/ezgif-2-db49a54415.gif

[thick fossil]

@sudden tusk I did it. 3200. Pug life sucks.

[feral ivy]

what kind of dog is that

[sudden tusk]

woooo

[smoky vale]

gz

[thick fossil]

Thank ya! I can time 16s but can't get invited to a 15. lol

[smoky vale]

lol

[left perch]

huge

[thick fossil]

Tell me how this makes any sense though...

[smoky vale]

XDDD

[sudden tusk]

this is where i ended up

[left perch]

community perception of meta dictates invites quite a bit

[sudden tusk]

i applied to at least 50 16 mists and 16 arakaras

[smoky vale]

dmg do you wrong or what madox

[sudden tusk]

and never got invited once

[smoky vale]

surely get xeno to tank for you

[thick fossil]

Noooo, you're less than 100 from title. Go for it! Kick your team in the ass!

[sudden tusk]

dont have a team was all pugging

Xeno doesnt like doing high keys, and i don't want to bother frosty to get it

[thick fossil]

Yeah, I have network connections with some massive players. I just hate asking for help.

[sudden tusk]

ill get it next season easily i just stopped playing the game to play PoE 2 and rivals, ect

if i actually played weekly id be way higher

[smoky vale]

maybe next tier i do dmg splits

[sudden tusk]

i only played last like 3-ish weeks

[thick fossil]

Rivals, looks like ppl are going back to OW2 again.

[sudden tusk]

and my M+ tanks in guild are making gold cap multiple times over selling title keys

[smoky vale]

i instead chose to play with ish!

[sudden tusk]

so im not gonna ask them to do it for free

[thick fossil]

Man, that is the way to go I guess.

[sour frigate]

Based

[thick fossil]

Make bank.

[sudden tusk]

rivals got stale for me very quick once every fight turned in to 25+ seconds of invicibility once i got to decently higher lobbies

bunch of AoE cant die ults is not fun

[thick fossil]

Yeah

[bright sable]

When does AOTC/feats of strength reset

is it on Tue/Wed or is it next week with raid tier

[thick fossil]

I don't know if I want to install OW 2 again though

[sudden tusk]

i used to play Overwatch competativly

but to play those types of games i cant take them seriously anymore

[thick fossil]

I think I liked OW2 better than Rivals, but I don't play either of them super competitively. I did my placements and got put in plat. I have no desire to grind it.

[sudden tusk]

yuh

PoE is holding my attention way better

[clever path]

Ansurek phase 1 heroic in a pug is a fucking experience

[sudden tusk]

ill probably do like the 10 games in rivals next season to get the next skin

but otherwise eh

[clever path]

made it all the way to Ansurek but hit a wall

[sudden tusk]

i need to do another BG3 playthough

once the new subclasses come out

[thick fossil]

They're out already

[covert blaze]

this coming reset I think

[bright sable]

I was thinking it was that as well

at least the delve feat of strength

but on queen it does specifically say "before the release of next raid tier" so..

I'm also wondering when the M+ ones reset tbh, would be nice to try to reach 2.5k if its still possible..

[summer quail]

are they? i thought they were only available on a test build?

[thick fossil]

Let me ask my friend. Maybe it was the test build he was using.

It was test build.

My bad

[sudden tusk]

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

BUT NEW PATCH WOW AAAAAAAAAAAAA

BG3 so fun man

[thick fossil]

False alarm, my friend was on the test build.

[edgy widget]

Bg3 pretty fun with mods

[thick fossil]

I've never modded it, but I've seen A LOT of gooner mods for it.

[sudden tusk]

LMAO

[edgy widget]

Not really the type I was going for, but you do you (even literally…)

[sudden tusk]

the only game ive ever modded was New Vegas becuase it needed stabalization patches

[thick fossil]

I played through Vanilla with custom character.

[sudden tusk]

otherwise i vanilla most games

[edgy widget]

You don’t play Bethesda games without modding them

[thick fossil]

I modded the shit out of Skyrim though.

[edgy widget]

You just crash

[covert blaze]

do you like bears archi

[thick fossil]

You sort of trick a Bethesda game into working.

[edgy widget]

Not as much as some people apparently

[covert blaze]

lmao

[south kayak]

I never mod any games

[edgy widget]

You need to think more outside of the box

[covert blaze]

only game I heavily modded is new vegas I think

[edgy widget]

And wow!

[south kayak]

I remember playing Skyrim and liking it but after playing Witcher 3 I just thought it wasn’t good

[edgy widget]

I mod everything that’ll let me and some things that won’t

[south kayak]

Maybe it’s better with mods

[edgy widget]

Witcher 3 had some good mods, AoE looting was goated

[sudden tusk]

me and the squad

[thick fossil]

That looks like a hunter....

[sudden tusk]

yeah those my BM hunter pets

[south kayak]

No shot

[thick fossil]

OMG, why are you recruiting the French for battle companions!?

[south kayak]

Hunter pets can’t be that small

[thick fossil]

They will throw up the white flag way too soon!

[sudden tusk]

thses frogs are bugged

[south kayak]

That’s hilarious

[sudden tusk]

im gonna tame a third one and name it the Argonian maid for when we can change their pet type

so i have Peepo Kero

[south kayak]

I did not know about this one, would have made my play through faster

[sudden tusk]

and the Lusty argonian maid

[south kayak]

I do not understand that reference

[sudden tusk]

Peepo the frog. Kero is japanese frog sound, and Argonian maid is a skyrim referance

but its called the lusty argonian maid in game so it will be my lust pet

[south kayak]

Oh okay

[sudden tusk]

its in game smut about lizard people

[edgy widget]

Lusty argonian maid was a smutty book in Skyrim

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/escamosa-piel-serpiente-simpsons-barry-white-gif-13390961267831396319

[oblique trail]

So sad that the RTX update to W3 just made it borderline unplayable for my PC

[earnest canyon]

cant you turn it off

[keen sequoia]

Hi guys

do you have a good enrage aura?

[oblique trail]

Yes but they updated the game itself, and it's just far from as smooth as it was pre-update

Before the update I could easily run it no problem, but now I cannot

[earnest canyon]

What are your pc specs?

[oblique trail]

RTX 3070 and 5600x, 32gb ram

My PC should not struggle with running it

[high echo]

i almost always play everything without mods lol

vanilla ice cream

i only played moded minecraft because my friend did it on his server

[oblique trail]

But it really is just a game issue and not a PC issue, because I'm not the only one with issues running it after the update

Even higher end GPU users had issues

[earnest canyon]

Fair. That sucks then.

[molten night]

im running the same thing as banezi, but i got a 3090 instead.

sometimes i spike

sometimes i don't

[clever belfry]

Gog owner be like
just downgrade

[sinful spoke]

almost same pc as me

im upgrading this week cause this thing is dying running mh wilds

[oblique trail]

My PC will probably explode running MHWilds

But at least it will take me with it

[sinful spoke]

real

[summer quail]

have you done the benchmark?

[oblique trail]

I have

With multiple settings tweaked

[sinful spoke]

im waiting for the new amd gpu to see what i should do gpu wise

[oblique trail]

The best I got during the plains area in the benchmark, regardless of resolution, DLSS or general settings, was at best 40-45 fps

[summer quail]

yeah that's rough.. i bought a new pc just for mhwilds. tbf it was time even before then, 7 year old pc with no upgrades

it was kinda dying anyway

[oblique trail]

Steam might actually have the option, haven't looked if they allowed a legacy branch

[earnest canyon]

i got 165FPS on ultra in mh wilds, but i dont like MH games lol

[oblique trail]

Goodness

[earnest canyon]

oh nice

[sour frigate]

its benchmark doesnt even run on my pc lmao

anyway game looks giga shit for its specs

[sinful spoke]

ty for that information

[earnest canyon]

was just joining in the conversation. im sorry if i upset you 😦

[sinful spoke]

dont hate on monster hunter again bro

or its over for u

https://tenor.com/view/punches-punching-fighting-angry-hold-me-back-gif-14170843

[upper wigeon]

Nevet played one sooooo

[clever belfry]

me when fps data without resolution

[earnest canyon]

oh its only 1440p

[sinful spoke]

i was running the gameon ultrawide

my pc fans ramped up

👍

[earnest canyon]

good it means they re doing their job

[hardy vault]

hey ! in raid arms or fury next season ?

[craggy sleet]

both are good numbers wise, arms will have the edge with slightly better ST and 2 target cleave

asw as arms better tier set lol

8% ish

[young swan]

arms is ~2% better than fury and the fights are generally better for arms than fury, that said, they are extremely close and you should really just play whichever you find more enjoyable

if you enjoy them equally then arms is better

[clever belfry]

what if i think theyre both shite

[wary fjord]

play enhance

[clever belfry]

7

[covert blaze]

baseg

[glad coyote]

i know fury has the sims google doc, anybody seen a sims of mostly all classes put together yet?

[sour frigate]

i have this
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14Us4SYeq2fr3sG-iv1ADOORaO5NZqXFhQdt7UJzpfro/edit?gid=1912032410#gid=1912032410

[keen sequoia]

What about aoe sims for fury vs arms?

[glad coyote]

check the sims doc

[sour frigate]

^

[keen sequoia]

Is just ST

[sour frigate]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/10g479vXesC382k68gw4akUKeuGUodbDho0yhKK6Eh0w/htmlview

[keen sequoia]

They seem very similar inAOE

[summer quail]

the more targets there are, the further arms will pull ahead

[dense elbow]

Ye, but we are going to build a full 5t comp, so we never do

bigbrain

[keen sequoia]

Arms does not have the 5T cap?

[dense elbow]

BDK, for that 3t DS cleave, two Fury Warriors and a MM hunter, with a rdruid kittycleave support

[clever belfry]

arms has sofrcaps

fury is kinda hard capped

[keen sequoia]

but that is something new?, because right now arms are really bad

[lime perch]

Esp now

[summer quail]

huh? arms is not really bad rn

[keen sequoia]

its realy low on subcreation tierlist

[summer quail]

lmao

[lime perch]

What is subcreation?

[keen sequoia]

https://www.archon.gg/wow?utm_campaign=subcreation-migration&utm_source=subcreation&utm_medium=link

I mean, this is the meta

this is not subjetive, this is actually what top mythic players play

stats from raiderio

[lime perch]

Doesn’t mean arms is bad

By any means

[oblique trail]

I mean this in the nicest way possible, stop looking at tier lists

Or anyone with half a brain will think less of you as a person

[dense elbow]

Isnt the top key done by a CN Arms warrior?

Was a time back at least

[lime perch]

Yeah but

[dense elbow]

arms is far from bad :v

[oblique trail]

Tier lists should never be seen as fact, nor what you base your own spec choices from or how well specs actually perform

Especially those made by content creators

[summer quail]

that guy is getting boosted. ofc he still does something, but have you seen his build?

[dense elbow]

Isnt every warrior boosted this season? Hmm...

But - ya might be right, maybe he is, maybe he aint

[lime perch]

Every season

[summer quail]

this is his build. it's the weirdest shit

[dense elbow]

Doesnt tell me much - but apparently it works for their purpose

[summer quail]

i think they were exploiting. their runs just suddenly stopped about a month ago. i think that is when some exploits got fixed

[covert blaze]

anything works when you're getting boosted

it doesn't matter

[dense elbow]

Then cudos to the boosters

[covert blaze]

thank you

[dense elbow]

But ye - exploits are likely, but, so it is in a lot of the runs

[covert blaze]

chatting

[bright sable]

so if coffer keys reset when patch hits, does that mean we can get new coffer keys from the TWW renown zone

or can we no longer get those coffer keys at all

[dense elbow]

I presume we just start fresh, and you play it like we did TWW s1 start

Just run around gathering em from the shard thingies and stuff

[keen sequoia]

in terms of complexity arms or fury rotation?

[bright sable]

right but theres a ton as rewards

I havent collected those renown rewards on my alts yet

[dense elbow]

Arms is more complex, sure

[bright sable]

theres valor stones, crests, etc

will those just be the old crests? or will old crests cease to exist completely

[dense elbow]

Better hurry and spend some of it Zulu, or ya gotta grind again

[summer quail]

fury easier. tho it's not like arms is very complex. arms just clunky

[bright sable]

I didn't play at S1 start so idk what happened then

[dense elbow]

Arms got more going for it when it comes to the whole giga cleave build up and stuff

If you boil it down, both just press buttons in set order

[summer quail]

tbf that's every spec in the game

[dense elbow]

Guess if you are really kind, you can say fury is less forgiving, cause you can more easily drop MC stacks, than the chance to forget to cleave?

Meh

Hard to be on side "Fury is more complex", when it feels really easy after playing it so much

[edgy widget]

all specs press buttons, can confirm

[keen sequoia]

For those who played rogue what is the equivalent of arms in rogue spec

[edgy widget]

if you're talking low level concepts, Arms and Fury are both pretty simple
in terms of optimization, Arms multitarget becomes more complex due to all the differing Sweeping Strikes conditionals

[undone flower]

I played rogue today in raid restarting in my guild but I never played arms so I couldn’t tell

[sour frigate]

i overpump avg furies by far on arms what u mean

[restive peak]

Very few if any classes are actually complex or difficult

[keen sequoia]

Rogue is difficult man

im a rogue main, and warr is very ez

[restive peak]

But it’s not if you spent 3 hours on a dummy

Everyone thinks their main is hard

[sour frigate]

^

[restive peak]

Know how many enh shamans told me enh is giga hard bro and it’s so complex

[sinful spoke]

yeah but lets nerf arms

[restive peak]

3 keys in I was topping, and I’m not a god by any means

[sour frigate]

yet shitton of people cant play fury rotation properly

and its actually rotation

[restive peak]

You think warr is easy, but I guarantee you play with one of us who is super practiced and skilled at warrior in equal gear we’d giga pump you, and same for the vice versa of this

[sour frigate]

this meadery first pull?

[restive peak]

But no spec is hard, practice dictates

[undone flower]

And ass rogue is not that difficult in ST

[deep sapphire]

Homie that's just 30 seconds of DPS, is that DK going to be doing that same DPS across 2 minutes? No

[sinful spoke]

ya

[restive peak]

Bro FUCK meadery btw

[sour frigate]

ass rogue

[sinful spoke]

bro output 1.19b dmg in 33s

[restive peak]

That is the worst dungeon this season by far

[sinful spoke]

u dont get it?

what other class can do that

[sour frigate]

but it has 1 million mobs

real estate for udk

[deep sapphire]

Okay but what is Unholy doing outside of that short burst? Nothing.

[restive peak]

Let’s not try and pretend UHDK is busted lewl

UHDK is pretty mid

[sinful spoke]

NERF IT

BUFF WARRIOR

[sour frigate]

is big this season tbh

[restive peak]

It does that once every 2 mins with PI and proceeds to do tank dmg to prio targets and bosses

People obsess on overall too much

[deep sapphire]

If we're going to complain about anything apparently Ret Paladin is insane in keys right now, just get to sit there spamming Divine Storm

[restive peak]

A lot of the big pulls this season have 8-10 very non threatening, will die passively before the big mob regardless adds

[sinful spoke]

🤓

[restive peak]

No one is actually worried about those, it’s just pad damage that looks cool

We had this with mage in DF, Giga dog on meters and by far the most important DPS in the group

[sour frigate]

And mage in sl i recall

[restive peak]

Ret is the same, tons of cleave and very minimal prio/ST

[sour frigate]

Shit aoe but solo kills pride mob

[restive peak]

It’s why fire always ends up meta or near

[sinful spoke]

more overall dmg = more girls

[restive peak]

Fire is built perfectly for M+ when strong

[sinful spoke]

u guys dont get it

[sour frigate]

more balls

[undone flower]

I think it’s you who posted an apm pic a while ago, it is 100% true for ass

[sour frigate]

i mean yeah

muti has no offgcd and static gcd

same for all other combo specs but outlaw

[restive peak]

Pretty much everything is GCD locked at this point, every melee plays at a very similar speed

There used to be arguments for this stuff, the game has long evolved past that and homogenized in a good way

[sour frigate]

Now yes

[keen sequoia]

I mean, rogue has 10 buttons more than warrior

more passives

[sour frigate]

Before tww was some difference

[keen sequoia]

more procs

[restive peak]

It’s also why fire is cool, it’s like melee ranged

[keen sequoia]

thats why i think is more difficult

[restive peak]

Yeah man rogue isn’t any harder than anything else

[sour frigate]

^

[restive peak]

I know you like to think it is and you’re a Giga Chad, it’s not true

[undone flower]

Yes when you melee the boss it has 60 buff on your plater

[deep sapphire]

I never understood the concept of having more buttons means it's harder.

[keen sequoia]

Because u have to think more? on what to press?

[restive peak]

I played w one of the top outlaw rogues for 2 seasons and she had a warr alt and regularly admitted she couldn’t play warr like me, and I can’t play outlaw like her , it all boils down to time spent practicing and comfort

[sinful spoke]

rogue shit class

[restive peak]

No you don’t, rogue is as rotational as anything else

[undone flower]

I think I don’t have more buttons than furry in ST as ass

Let me connect my char

[keen sequoia]

hahahaha

[sinful spoke]

m0 wont open tomrorow right?

[sour frigate]

man if u thinking what to press ure probs #3 on dps meter

[deep sapphire]

It's all memorization.

[restive peak]

Tomorrow appears to be a dead week cheche

[sinful spoke]

saj

[restive peak]

Yeah boring AF

[keen sequoia]

Yeah, at the end everything is rotation

[sinful spoke]

i would have loved to run m0s on my monk and alts

for gear

[keen sequoia]

but some classes have higher complexity when learning it

[restive peak]

Every single rotation in this game is build>spend

[slim coral]

Tomorrow is gonna be amazing

Hyped for the lore

[restive peak]

They don’t, but I know it’s hurting your ego

So

https://tenor.com/view/oh-sure-whatever-you-say-gif-20744799

[slim coral]

And the banger zone music

[sinful spoke]

if u said arcane mage id believe u but ur talking abt rogue

[keen sequoia]

hahahah

[restive peak]

Even arcane is very simple once you spend an hour or two on it lol

[keen sequoia]

I heard arcane is dififcult too

[restive peak]

People hear this from mains and just believe it

[sour frigate]

Arcane was somewhat complex during sl

[restive peak]

Go try every spec and you’ll realize you can learn them all quickly

[sour frigate]

Since df u just pump

[supple summit]

it also depends on what you find hard

[keen sequoia]

agree

[restive peak]

Yeah, the game has moved more and more to homogenization the last few xpacs

[junior gale]

Arcane has very much been simplified

[undone flower]

And a sequence press every 1min30 2 min

[junior gale]

its not complex like it used to be

[sinful spoke]

one week of gearing it

i think its good enough for 10s next season

[keen sequoia]

How did u?

spamming mythic+?

[sinful spoke]

yes

[sour frigate]

i mean eat that saphire stone as part of opener

mana crystal

[sour frigate]

got my dk to 625 in 1.5 day

[deep sapphire]

I'd say it's almost like learning an instrument. Once you've learned one spec and have become talented at it moving to another one is easier because you already have a grasp of the basics and understanding of all of the nuance of learning.

[junior gale]

tbh I wouldnt know havent touched it but the one trick in my guild loves bitching about how their making arcane the spec for paste eaters these days

[clever belfry]

10s week 1 gonna be back loaded like this

[sinful spoke]

rat

[keen sequoia]

u mean it?

[sour frigate]

buy hm raid spam some 8th

🤷‍♀️

[clever belfry]

always has been

any nuance has been abusing bugs

[junior gale]

[restive peak]

That’s actually a good point too hahaha

[restive peak]

Arcane is always a mess

[clever belfry]

exploiters

[supple summit]

arcane mages when they get to macro an instant cast spell to one with travel time so they can rave about how sick they are

[sour frigate]

tbh u can roll brew for gearing

[sinful spoke]

nah first week im going hard on main as prot warr for keys

[sour frigate]

i mean now

[keen sequoia]

For those interested, this is how my build looks like talking about warrior and rogue hahahhaha

[clever belfry]

and then a certain tc starting with P cries about it on twitter how they ruined his work for fixing a bug

[sinful spoke]

yeah im not gonna queue a single dungeon today

im too tired

[sour frigate]

its perfect

[clever belfry]

(made up story for SURE)

[undone flower]

It took me a full week to get 630+ just because my fucking rogue can’t tank

[sour frigate]

🥲

[keen sequoia]

im spamming mythic+ but not droping anything

[undone flower]

Craft

[sour frigate]

skill issue

[keen sequoia]

wahat should i craft

[undone flower]

Anything

[keen sequoia]

i already craft my weapon

[clever belfry]

remove that dragon from the warband

[sinful spoke]

speaking of craft

i should recraftmy sword

[undone flower]

You have 20 sparks+

[sinful spoke]

and take the embelish off

[sour frigate]

embellishes are joke this season

[clever belfry]

why bother until u recraft it week2 of the patch

[sinful spoke]

because its gonna be the same embelish

[sour frigate]

and they dont seem to up them in the next

[sinful spoke]

crit

im going arms

for s2

[keen sequoia]

whyt

[sinful spoke]

because i like arms as much as i like fury

[undone flower]

I did 4 crafts because I didn’t want to be a loser in today’s raid

[sour frigate]

windwalking arms

[sour frigate]

balls

[junior gale]

not even 640 ilvl shame

[inner zinc]

im guessing the 25% buff to T.Blast on the patch notes is still a lie and only 14%?

[sinful spoke]

could never get a trinket

[sour frigate]

skill issue

[junior gale]

why didnt you just get the sacbrood from vault its so easy!

[sinful spoke]

real

[sour frigate]

got myth track trinkets in first vaults on woyeor

[sour frigate]

geared this in 3 days

[junior gale]

[sinful spoke]

bro

what te fuck does that say

[undone flower]

I got ara kara sacbrood on the first vault of the rogue

Still waiting for my war

[sour frigate]

what

[sinful spoke]

hmm

[undone flower]

you're such a beast

[sour frigate]

huge

[light raptor]

how the hell

I was proud of this

2 weeks

lmfao

[sour frigate]

its a joke

obv took more lol

but i rolled 3 items in one of 4/8 clears

[split coyote]

Race to world last

[light raptor]

Holy I was about to say

[sour frigate]

[light raptor]

LETS FUCKING GGOOOO

[undone flower]

GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

[light raptor]

LFG

[undone flower]

CLIP ?

next tuesday i have to watch the RWL

[light raptor]

season doesnt end tmr?

wait I thought it does

sheesh

[sour frigate]

take few cds but didnt play rogue much

[light raptor]

10/10 mog

[sour frigate]

[undone flower]

i know per ilvl logs is meh

[dusty cove]

Question from someone who hasnt been keeping up. Critcake said on max's stream that one of furys tools to do instant AOE is gone now, what does he mean by that?

[covert blaze]

Odyns fury

[sour frigate]

I guess Odyn Fury being shit

And titan torment reworked

[dusty cove]

Odyns fury not worth taking anymore?

[undone flower]

your burst aoe doesn't last 0.05 sec anymore because it just no longer exist

[dusty cove]

thats odyns fury burst? or fury burst aoe in general?

[keen sequoia]

should I spent all this even tho are cringe parts?

[restive peak]

We have very little burst now, very flat damage profile

[sinful spoke]

this legit becomes worthless tomorrow

so

do w/e

[undone flower]

yeah it is more flat, no more ovinax spike

[dusty cove]

ah I see. How are we feeling about that?

[sinful spoke]

good

[sour frigate]

maybe for mog

[undone flower]

you can spend your delves coins to buy mats to sell to AH

[sour frigate]

ull get better items soon

[undone flower]

if you did delves

[restive peak]

I personally prefer it, lots of people don’t

This game will always ebb and flow between you loving a spec and then maybe not liking it as much as the prior patch and then back to your pref

[dusty cove]

true

[acoustic yoke]

how flat we talking though?

outlaw flat?

[sour frigate]

outlaw can still send 6 bte in a row iirc?

[acoustic yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/gamba-gif-25945486

[sour frigate]

yeah therefore fury cant

u just rotate

[tidal lantern]

Odyn’s still worth it for Queen? in a deep fight for RWL

[sour frigate]

and spend blast sometimes

[summer quail]

ofcourse. all you're there for is killing adds

[vagrant cave]

For Thane ST rotation, Is Bloodthirst really so far down the prio? Am I missing other ways to proc Blast other than Avatar?

[silk wharf]

Bloodbath

[wraith wharf]

anyone know if the 50% fury execute buff that was said on 2025-02-04 stayed in?

[sudden tusk]

yes

execute button still sucks

[acoustic yoke]

i'm not sure if the current wowhead rotation page is updated yet or not but bloodbath exists when u rampage, on live, so it has higher prio than a regular bloodthirst

[vagrant cave]

But that would still be in the same spot below everything else. As well as AM being used, so no Bloodbath

[vagrant cave]

Yea, coulda been more specific. This will be going forward starting tomorrow. So no Bloodbath, right?

[restive peak]

Literally the smallest spikes during cds and flat otherwise

[acoustic yoke]

ye from reset bloodbath only activates after recklessness with RA and i think AM is the play so no BB

[vagrant cave]

Yea, was just really confused, went to the dummy to do a lil testing, and was like "wait, Im never getting Blast procs cuz Im almost never using BT"

[edgy widget]

it's not

though the fundamentals of the rotation don't change that much, aside from RA spells being usable at different times

[feral ivy]

is fury MT VS Slayer going to be like this season where MT was good past like 12+ and slayer was good for lower keys?

and raid its better just go slayer

[restive peak]

Yeah

Although MT probably better at all keys tbh

Because both profiles are so flat

[winter shoal]

How does AM thane feel in keys Linc

[cedar lagoon]

Hi all! Completely new here and my first time in a class discord, so I apologize if this is not the place to ask, but what guides/tips/pointers could I get to optimize and make SMF work?

and by work, I mean be competitive in S2 raiding

[junior gale]

SMF will never be better or equal to normal 2h fury

you can 100% play it if you want but its not gonna be competitive

[slim coral]

It feels great always have cds up

[cedar lagoon]

hate to hear it, but appreciate the answer. thanks!

[winter shoal]

Generally, RB > BT, but there are some conditions that make BT better:

• If the target is below 35% health and you have Vicious Contempt specced (which you should)
• If you have >=3 bloodcraze stacks
• If you're fighting 6+ enemies

[junior gale]

idk what the sims are rn for SMF but its usually about 5% behind normal fury. If your not doing serious content aka CE raiding or title pushing you should play SMF if it makes you enjoy the game more

[winter shoal]

I can run some sims rq frozen

[junior gale]

I havent seen a SMF sim in 11.1 yet

[edgy widget]

cause there's nothing to sim

[junior gale]

[cedar lagoon]

yeah my sims for smf are definitely behind on smf, but i'm wondering if there are other builds or rotations that would take advantage of the haste or whatever

[summer quail]

prob gonna be even worse next season. no bis and no capital punisher

[winter shoal]

IIRC last season it was like 3.5% behind

[summer quail]

i guess you have the 1 handed fist weapon for smf?

[winter shoal]

But yeah weapons are kinda good and capstones are kinda bad

[edgy widget]

it's not that good, the extra effect on gallywix weapons are mostly flavor

[junior gale]

usually at some point someone asks about it and the number gets popped up

lol

[edgy widget]

they're like 0.5% above normal weapons, which isn't bad as far as an extra bonus goes, but it's nothing compared to Best-in-Slots

[summer quail]

yeah i assumed it wouldn't be, no secondaries xD

[edgy widget]

actually my fault, I was thinking about the 1h mace from Gally

the knuckles are a little better

but they're also unique-equipped so you can't have two of them, whereas 2h can double up on BIS + Punisher

I suppose its possible that if you got access to M knuckles before BiS, you might find a way to use it at least temporarily, but you're still giving up a talent point for it, which is another loss to make up

[winter shoal]

I'm p sure I cocked something up with the sim but it's saying -11% for SMF https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qHzXbKqsUrKUkUrKTihipK

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/stone-cold-steve-austin-gif-27207643

[cedar lagoon]

woah, could you clarify? that's 11% behind or ahead of TG?

[fickle cedar]

btw do we only lose valorstones or the little satchels aswell ?

[edgy widget]

looks like you didn't add an enchant to the new weapons, and you're also using a crafted OH at -3 ilvl

[edgy widget]

nobody knows yet lol, ask again tomorrow

[fickle cedar]

i see, ill keep my stash then

[winter shoal]

11% behind but SMF usually isn't THAT far behind, usually more like 5ish% I think. I'll check what Archi said tho

[winter shoal]

What's the 1h gallywix mace called?

[edgy widget]

without Best in Slots you'd also use House of Cards, since the on-use wouldn't interfere, so you could pick up a little bit there

[edgy widget]

it's called "it's agility, so who cares"

[winter shoal]

[edgy widget]

so with some optimizations, you're probably looking at something like -8%

[winter shoal]

Makes sense, normally dropping a t2 talent isn't that big of a deal but bc our t2 are better than our t3 for the most part it's kinda stinky

@cedar lagoon that said, if you're not trying to do any sort of competitive prog content, an 8% loss might be acceptable, that's just a judgment call you'd have to make yourself. And FWIW, just playing better (and stuff like good kill times) makes more than 8% dps difference

Adding enchants and house of cards brings it to -8.8% vs TG
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b5Bqgj6vbs33NUxQg2YDWR

[edgy widget]

still need to change the ilvl of that weapon too

[winter shoal]

675 is max for crafted innit

[cedar lagoon]

makes sense. thanks again for the insight

never been in a class discord before... this is pretty neat

[summer quail]

also do keep in mind, for aoe the loss will be bigger

[winter shoal]

There are good folks in here

There's also Anda

[covert blaze]

anda is very nice

[winter shoal]

#fury is also like 16x more degenerate than #arms for reasons I don't think anyone can put into words, but everyone implicitly understands

[cedar lagoon]

the words are "zug zug"

[winter shoal]

All Anda ever tells me is to explode and that he was in MDI finals in BFA

[covert blaze]

lmfao

[winter shoal]

He also answers my questions too, but he says those two first

[covert blaze]

real

@clever belfry balls

[heady cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-warcraft-orc-angry-gif-12083808

[edgy widget]

yes but why would you use a crafted offhand with no embellishment?

• if you're still using double dusk, you'd use a 678 offhand
• if you're using a crafted weapon, you'd put ascendance on there and swap your other crafts instead

[winter shoal]

Because I don't know what 678 1h exist

And they weren't in the top gear list from Sarri's input string

Btw Archi I appreciate all the work you do on simc and the wowhead guide, looking forward to linking it to 3000 people in the next month (no glaze)

[edgy widget]

not even done yet btw

been a rough couple of months, very behind schedule

[winter shoal]

Sadeg hope all is well with you and yours

I feel you though, I haven't even started on the wowa updates for fury yet that's a wednesday problem I fear

[restive peak]

With how much we’re looking like a prio class for M+, there’s a very real chance real world applications favour ascendance for high keys too

[tepid cedar]

Has the engine/class module been updated for warriors on GitHub for 11.1 yet ? Or in the coming days

[restive peak]

Now for arms, you’ll want BiS as your wep so you’d be crafting the off pieces for sure

[opaque falcon]

When’s the new updated guide coming?

[slim coral]

it'll be before season 2 starts I can promise you that

[edgy widget]

everything has been updated, but raidbots is frozen till servers come up

[tepid cedar]

Sweet! Gonna go take look at it. Thanks archi as always

[slim coral]

which part were you looking for

just from glancing at the wowhead guide it looks like most of the important information is updated

only thing that looks not full updated yet is the cheat sheet

[opaque falcon]

Talents

[slim coral]

they're there

[opaque falcon]

Oh I haven’t checked it lol

Thanks

[slim coral]

no problem

[smoky vale]

gz on your trial to pc

[slim coral]

gz on your trial to echo

[smoky vale]

nah im trialing in ish guild

studying under the goat

[round peak]

Help me. Please dm me.

[smoky vale]

?

use your words sir

[dapper goblet]

madox for yellow

[celest sierra]

i just noticed they gave strength users our own spymasters lmao