fury

[dense elbow]

Is the TLDR, someone thought the 5% nerf on PTR hasnt gone through yet, because BMs 8% hasnt gone through. And it was proven that the 5% nerf for warrior has gone through?

[fickle bluff]

im assuming hotfixes can hit the client but not actually be active

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[high echo]

[undone flower]

i'm still gonna search where this thought come from if it's just from feelcraft

[fickle bluff]

from the CEO of dungeon sims apparently

[sour frigate]

CEO of BALLS

[fickle bluff]

@oblique trail balls react this man NOW

[young swan]

banutzi

[summer quail]

something like that. i was saying the dh bugfix wasn't on ptr and i think the guy was saying none of the recent changes were

[dense elbow]

Well, glad that we learned some of the changes has gone through

[sour frigate]

give this man balls emoji

[edgy widget]

tbh the whole argument was in bad faith though, because it originated from a comment from Linc about Warrior blasting competitively on the PTR, implying that the tuning would change that

And even if the 5% nerf weren't in... that wouldn't really change

[undone flower]

it does start with our main char

[dense elbow]

5% would have had to be on top of another 5% to really do any damage.

Meh, only thing that is sadge on the PTR is the state of OF. Rest is golden for Fury

[undone flower]

but then two colored names gives conflicting infos (with one being CEO of ballsacks)

[sour frigate]

[dense elbow]

Why does this non-issue have some levels of depth and apparently lore

[fickle bluff]

OS so bad you forgot it existed

[dense elbow]

I danced and had a party the day OS disapeared

[covert blaze]

i like OS

[dense elbow]

Same, it is ace in PvP

[modest condor]

if we played OS then our burst rotation wouldnt look so cursed

[left perch]

i too have been weird before

[modest condor]

true

[left perch]

i hope to be recognized as well if im being honest

[modest condor]

who are you?

[left perch]

shid

[covert blaze]

cool uncle

[smoky vale]

unc

[undone flower]

Watch out, you don’t know who you are talking to, it’s big Shid

[bitter palm]

dont talk to unc like that

my glorious king unc

[smoky vale]

real

[dapper goblet]

madox for yellow

[sullen dove]

madox for blue

[grizzled shard]

random question but with sims being unreliable until s2 release, what are the chances we still use a crafted weapon for embellishment + raid wep or do would we go goblin gavel and gallywix wep? trying to plan out what to chase

[edgy widget]

you want double cantrips

[smoky vale]

@left perch @covert blaze unc key?

[edgy widget]

should only go for a crafted weapon if there's a serious expectation that you won't be able to get a competitive weapon from M+ or raid, or you're worried about the length of prog (since it's likely you'll be able to recraft by the time you're beating Gally on M)

[left perch]

afk for abt an hour and a half but ya would be down for key

if you’re on

[grizzled shard]

ok thats good to know, thanks for that as my guild is currently trying to plan out who needs what and i didnt want to be greedy and say both goblin gavel and gallywix unless i was sure

[sullen dove]

are embells getting buffed too next season or is dawnthread still just like 1500 crit and ascension still like 1800 or whatever

was rly weird when they didnt change in value from like normal ilvl to gilded ilvl

when bsl was like 1.1k mast each at max ilvl xd

[edgy widget]

no buffs

[sullen dove]

so... wont be using them... or...

still more stats than not ig

-3 ilvl for like 700 stats on dawnthread

have to imagine its just worse and worse the further it goes

[edgy widget]

you'll use them, 3 ilvls on low budget slots is nothing

[sullen dove]

ascension just feels kinda mid tho no or doesnt matter

[edgy widget]

Real question is how long you expect prog to run (and to be fair, we don't entirely know what the length of the tier will be yet, but just assuming for most guilds that it's a multi month tier, you're likely to be able to craft excess items by the time it's over)

[sullen dove]

the theme of shifting stats is kinda weird in general with the flask too but eh

[edgy widget]

cause the best weapons are Best-in-Slots, which is unique equipped, and Capital Punisher, which is a Gally drop

and so unless you're in a top 50 guild, you're probably not going to have access to a Mythic Capital Punisher for awhile

[sullen dove]

punisher

[remote bobcat]

do we know the next best weapon locations?

[edgy widget]

So the real question isn't what's best (BiS + CPunisher, w/ 2x Duskthread)
it's what's available

[remote bobcat]

after punisher and bis

[edgy widget]

next best weapon is a crafted Ascension

[remote bobcat]

with what

prob some dungeon drop right

[edgy widget]

Ascension, the embellishment

[remote bobcat]

no i mean

the other two-hander

[edgy widget]

Best in Slots

[remote bobcat]

bro

Im saying

since they are rare

[edgy widget]

they aren't rare

well I guess Best in Slots might be

[remote bobcat]

best in slots is considered a rare drop

and punisher is from the last boss

ofc its rare

[edgy widget]

the third best weapon would be whatever you can loot at the highest ilevel

it won't be a dungeon drop, it'll be w/e you get out of vault or the other raid 2hr

stats differences don't really matter, especially at higher gear levels, Fury wants basically everything

[remote bobcat]

fair

[edgy widget]

anyway, my point was that while the absolute best is BiS + CPun + double Duskthread, that's not available until after you kill Gallywix on M... which is going to be out of reach for most players for quite some time

so instead, the question is "how good is heroic CPun or a max Vault weapon vs a crafted Embellished one

[remote bobcat]

interesting to see that ascension weapon is expected to be worse than double raid 2h

[edgy widget]

that's the point I'm making - it's not

it's worse than 2x cantrip weapons

[clever belfry]

still not a bad craft in any way

[edgy widget]

but you're not going to get 2x cantrip weapons until you kill M Gallywix

[clever belfry]

(and for most people the absolute optimal one)

[edgy widget]

if you're not considering absolute BiS, and are instead thinking about what's going to actually be available to you for the majority of prog, you almost certainly want to craft a weapon instead

[remote bobcat]

isnt this within the margin of error tho?

Thinking~1

[edgy widget]

0.5% is not margin of error, no; and 1.4% is well outside of it

[remote bobcat]

no i mean 0.1

[edgy widget]

that 0.1 is between Mythic BiS and Mythic Punisher vs Crafted

[remote bobcat]

yea

[edgy widget]

and as stated you won't have access to Mythic Punisher until after Gallywix

[frozen berry]

Can't we buy it with dinar?

[edgy widget]

we don't know when/if/where dinar come from yet, since they removed it from the renown track

[unreal kelp]

🙈

[remote bobcat]

that one dev mentioned in his interview that they won't give us dinars until deep into the season

[edgy widget]

that would be my expectation yeah, probably an 11.1.5 thing

[sour frigate]

As always

First half of season is ass to gear

[undone flower]

About crafting a wep or not, in every case you will need to wait 2 sparks to craft it

[edgy widget]

Yes you need two sparks, but they usually give us an early jumpstart spark, so that's not so bad

[cerulean grail]

This is very interesting, can you link the sim ?

[edgy widget]

anyway, the whole point is that unless you expect to finish Mythic prog very quickly, a crafted OH is better than either a max vault weapon or a Heroic Capital Punisher

[remote bobcat]

ok but the difference was 0.1%, so within the margin of error, was it not?

[undone flower]

So if you have some luck on vaults etc, 2 678 wep with danwthread on the side are not better short term?

[remote bobcat]

or am i drunk rn

[frozen berry]

There's not a new recipe/crafted right? WE're just upgrading stuff we prob already have?

[edgy widget]

you're fucking drunk

you don't have access to Capital Punisher

stop looking at the top vs the #2

you're comparing #2 to #3

[remote bobcat]

no im saying

that saying bis+cp

isnt necessarily better

than crafted

[cerulean grail]

The real issue is crafting weapon for fury when you gonna prog some boss as arms

[remote bobcat]

because its margin of error

crafted could potentially be #1 instead

because its within the margin

that's my entire point

[cerulean grail]

So double dawn/dusk is better

[edgy widget]

again, only if you have the mythic gallywix weapon

what part of this do you not understand?

[remote bobcat]

yea

im implying this

[crystal kindle]

how does crafted wep compare to mythic BiS + dbl dawn/dusk for arms?

[edgy widget]

lemme break it down barney style for you

[dense elbow]

checks out

[edgy widget]

by the time you kill M Gally, you can just ditch your crafted weapon and recraft Duskthread instead

[coarse nest]

How do I explain this as simple minded as possible 🤔

“Craft weapon for offhand it’s bis”

[winter shoal]

Is that with ascension + the double down embellish?

[edgy widget]

yes

[winter shoal]

But Greg said double dusk

[remote bobcat]

im not trying to dispute ur comment on crafting a weapon as fury, im ONLY saying that once you have mythic cp, getting crafted USING crafted could be potentially better than using best-in-slots. Everyone here already understood that a crafted weapon is the right play to go for as fury

[edgy widget]

I mean it's not much better than a vault weapon, but it also means you don't need to get a vault weapon (also as mentioned previously, Best in Slots could be pretty rare)

[edgy widget]

crafted still wouldn't be better, at best it might be equal-ish
margin of error isn't 0.1%, it's more like half that, but it also works both ways
in this case, this difference is more like ~2x the margin

[coarse nest]

Don’t worry you’ll definitely be one of the 100 people in the world who get a mythic punisher

[remote bobcat]

saying -0.1% "might be equal-ish" isn't my cup of tea but sure

[undone flower]

You got the ring brewjj ?

[edgy widget]

I say equal-ish, because that margin works both ways, not just one

"margin of error" doesn't just mean that Crafted might be stronger than that image implies, it also means Punisher might be

[coarse nest]

Never got the ring my guild gave it to a hunter who raid logs

[remote bobcat]

ye i know

[edgy widget]

but again, raidbots truncates these things - just cause it says 0.1% doesn't mean it's actually within the margin

[coarse nest]

[winter shoal]

I'm late to the conversation but just trying to clarify for myself, your recommendation is

1. craft gilded 2h with ascension
2. once you have 2 more sparks, recraft weapon to not have ascension and put double dusk on wrist/cloak
   Is that correct?

[edgy widget]

the actual margin is more like 0.05%, or roughly 1,500 DPS - the difference in this particular sim is more like 3k

[remote bobcat]

Lets not forget that the active part of BIS has way higher output potential with add spawns

due to the nature of fights

was the sim pure ST?

[edgy widget]

not really relevant since we were comparing to capital punisher, Best in Slots is consistent in either situation

but more importantly, your actual gear won't be as clean cut as this anyway, so all this worry about "margin of error" is kind of pointless

[undone flower]

I won it on our first kill, but realized I would not play my char next season, I wasn’t allowed to choose who gets it

[remote bobcat]

i mean ye true

[supple kettle]

is this the most optimal tree for fury for PTR keys?

[edgy widget]

really the more important thing is what kinda content are you doing after M Gally? If it's M+ you almost certainly want Duskthread > Ascension anyway

[remote bobcat]

as for me, im probably gonna keep wasting my time boosting hc runs

[winter shoal]

Personally I like the extra range on thunder clap, also you should go seismic reverb instead of sidearm. And no spear

[remote bobcat]

but up to the individual ofc

[restive peak]

By the time you’re done prog, you’ll be able to craft whatever the fuck you want. Lol.

[edgy widget]

na that tree sucks

[restive peak]

Ascension wep first is just smart

[winter shoal]

Check the sim sheet, I think deft is also not good

[remote bobcat]

what in the bitter immunity

[frozen berry]

Is it me or does the effect on it not seem that good?

[restive peak]

Fuck is it ever sad that capital punisher is that weak even AFTER the buff lmao

[edgy widget]

run this
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/talent-calc/warrior/fury/mountain-thane/DAOAUVBRFUhIVIpRUBANVVEFUZURRaBQRCQQEFVVUCAQ?

[remote bobcat]

you dont like unbridled ferocity?

[restive peak]

I dropped HnS for UF, worth it? Probably not, but fuckit

[young swan]

UF sucks real bad

[sullen dove]

uf bootycheeks

remove the talent

worse than smf

[young swan]

its not worth the QoL loss from dropping hns

[remote bobcat]

I mean yea its ass

[young swan]

imo

[remote bobcat]

but

I like it

[restive peak]

I know but 60% of the time it works…every time

[remote bobcat]

in keys

[restive peak]

If people don’t get that reference

I am joking

[winter shoal]

I would rather die I think

[edgy widget]

crit and I talked about that yesterday - couldn't really tell a difference

[sinful spoke]

nothing will be worth no matter what u cook cause u play dwarf

swap to a real race

[restive peak]

Yeah not having HnS hasn’t really left me any gaps tbh, but UF does suck

[edgy widget]

I like HnS for the more consistent resets avoiding dry streaks, but if you feel really strongly yeah you can swap it

doesn't seem to have any discernable difference though

[winter shoal]

HnS still sims better in both st and aoe innit

[restive peak]

Get title (get fukd)

[sinful spoke]

i have a title already

queen slayer 💅

[restive peak]

Yeah I’ll probably run HnS on live

[fickle bluff]

its "better" to drop it for aoe but the st loss is not worth it

[sour frigate]

famed?

[edgy widget]

you can also drop TWords, since it does practically nothing for this build, but it is still the highest damage option left on the class tree (even if it's a very minor amount of damage) - if you really want Rumbling Earth or something though, feel free to swap it

[undone flower]

I prefer Trashmaster

[summer quail]

dwarf gonna be even better next season

[sinful spoke]

no im not good enough saj

[sinful spoke]

and i will still not swap!

[sour frigate]

[frozen berry]

Is it me or does Capital Punisher seem really weak compared to other weapons, such as

[restive peak]

The swap toy is a life saver

[sinful spoke]

race for aesthetics > anything else unless its like 100k dps diff

[sour frigate]

12 hrs cd tho

[sullen dove]

i mean it saying high chance should be fine

whats the complaint

[restive peak]

Dwarf fr saves keys at the highest level hilariously lol

[sullen dove]

basically an ashkandi with a bit of aoe

[frozen berry]

15k every 3 secs compared to that seems...

[sinful spoke]

he saying the other weapon

being bad

and this one good

[edgy widget]

that weapon doesn't have any secondary stats, while Punisher has full stat budget

[sinful spoke]

the 2h

[undone flower]

I am one of the malicious user of the other swap toy

[sullen dove]

[frozen berry]

oh true, no sec's on fist

[restive peak]

Huge trollin we love it

We killed an Amir prog boss as all one weird thing

[edgy widget]

outside of legendaries, cantrip weapons typically come in two varieties

• strong effect with reduced or no stats (molten knuckles)
• normal stat budget w/ weak proc (punisher)

[sullen dove]

or ashkandi, which is strong proc and normal stats

[summer quail]

does double capital punisher still stack? as in double damage and stacks twice as fast? not tested that in a while

[sullen dove]

[restive peak]

You want best in slots

[edgy widget]

I believe so, but yeah best in slots is way better

Punisher's damage is pretty low, it's like an extra 0.5%

[remote bobcat]

the CP statline is too juicy

[edgy widget]

which is enough to push it above a normal weapon, but not enough to make a heroic one better than a normal mythic weapon

[covert blaze]

can you spread the dot from cleaved spells?

[undone flower]

Oh Gettiku… become my blade once more

[edgy widget]

like most things, it can proc on any target hit, but it doesn't proc on every target hit

e.g. if you trigger it with Whirlwind, it might proc on target 1, 2, or 3, but it won't trigger on all three of them at the same time

[covert blaze]

i see

[frank dawn]

Give me back that mannoroth trinket from hfc

[frozen berry]

wth, every weapon Gallywix drops has that dot effect, including his shield o.O

[pulsar quest]

Not true I’m actually on liquid and max already told me I could have the first cap punisher

[edgy widget]

empty drinking horn!

[restive peak]

Bro can’t wait for KR to come back so I can degen it

[odd cipher]

fyralath was so good eh

[restive peak]

@tidal kindle helped me get getti in my first season of actually playing the game for reals basically

[covert blaze]

i liked KR

[frank dawn]

Yeah, that one!

[remote bobcat]

the bloodbath bleed stacking was increasing uptime, not the damage itself right? Cant check rn

[edgy widget]

it extends duration, yes

[undone flower]

I can’t tell because nzoth affix fixed a lot of the dungeon

[remote bobcat]

unlucky

[hasty tree]

Do we need to do delves for the energy trink or can someone reassure me?

[edgy widget]

no

the version you want comes from the world track in the vault, so you can do events, weekly quests, or world bosses instead

[fickle bluff]

[sour frigate]

[covert blaze]

the world track drops hero track?

[quiet geyser]

can you get heroic track monster drink from key'ed delves?

[frozen berry]

We just want a new Gavel aye? 😛

[remote bobcat]

wait which trinket is that

[edgy widget]

I don't think it's heroic, but idk - it'll be lower than the vault version though

[quiet geyser]

i thought end of delve item from using coffer keys is heroic track, same as world vault

[covert blaze]

you only get hero track if you have a map

afaik

[fickle bluff]

keys dont drop hero stuff

[quiet geyser]

oh lame

[fickle bluff]

maps might? dont remember

[edgy widget]

actually I do know

[quiet geyser]

I've definitely gotten heroic ilvl from delves this season

not sure if map, or just keys

[lone leaf]

Just from map

[remote bobcat]

hero track items in season 1 dropped from the maps

and the map you only got as a rare drop from bountiful delves

iirc

[covert blaze]

yeah maps give hero track

[quiet geyser]

so, you CAN get heroic monster drink from spamming delves then, just VERY unlikely lol

[edgy widget]

• Normal Delves drop 593 (no upgrade)
• T8+ Bountiful Delves drop 642 (8/8 Champ)
• World Vault drops up to 655 (3/6 Hero, so 664 upgraded)

[covert blaze]

well you cant spam bountiful nor get a lots of maps

so no spamming

[quiet geyser]

sorry spamming was the wrong word

[winter shoal]

Are t8 delves easy as fury with current bis?

[edgy widget]

idk, they won't be available until season start though

[quiet geyser]

just can get in general

if lucky

[winter shoal]

Just a go prot angle?

[edgy widget]

you think I did fuckin PTR delves?

[remote bobcat]

tank in delves are broken so yea

[undone flower]

Idk if I can post gdocs, it’s the one from quazii video
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pLpQSCIV9_P_89MExObd5tOc_Ce2WFa5xCMd0Y4eHgc/htmlview#gid=0

[winter shoal]

I mean you knew how the ww/punisher dot interaction worked, figured I'd ask

[edgy widget]

that's just basic game mechanics, that's how all ppm stuff works these days

[remote bobcat]

the good thing is that we can try to get delve maps in low tier delves and then just spend them in tier 11 delves

instead of getting tier 8 maps and spending in tier 8

[covert blaze]

you can only get maps on bountifuls tho

right?

[remote bobcat]

afaik, yes

in the chest you open with keys or w/e

so its not fully spammable

[undone flower]

And apparently the companion/brann can tank now, sry I don’t do delves on ptr so I can’t say much

[covert blaze]

you dont want to do your bountifuls on low levels

[remote bobcat]

goated change

[undone flower]

But it requires to open the chest to get maps no ?

[remote bobcat]

ye

[undone flower]

You opened chest only in 8s anyway

[remote bobcat]

if you have 639 in every slot and youve met the delve-gilded-cap that they are introducing, why not spend keys on lower bountiful in hopes of getting maps?

[edgy widget]

cause I have better things to do with my life

and even if I didn't, I still wouldn't do that shit

[remote bobcat]

delves will likely give giga renown each week again

idk seems at least slightly doable when bored

shrug

[frozen berry]

Unless they massively changed delves from S1 I

[undone flower]

Tbh idk why I would do delves personally next season (apart mogs so never)

[edgy widget]

big diff between doing weekly delves during downtime and hard grinding them for the chance of maps

[frozen berry]

d rather not step back into them...I got bored of them REALLY fast...

[covert blaze]

why not just spend the limited resource on the highest reward

[remote bobcat]

the highest reward being 639

[covert blaze]

what

[undone flower]

Or use the most limited ressource (our time) in highest reward possible (m+)

[covert blaze]

do you mean specifically after capping on delves

[covert blaze]

i think i understand what you mean now

[restive peak]

M+ spam will be more valuable than hoping for a really randomly rare trinket you may get

[remote bobcat]

yea after you essentially outgear the bountiful delve main chest drops

[restive peak]

That would be the my brain is fried I should get this done sometime option

[covert blaze]

sounds like you might overspend keys doing that tho

depends on the key economy ig

[undone flower]

The time of getting keys (world content I don’t like perso), doing the delve (I don’t ENJOY), is less rewarding to me for the time I could spend in m+

Spamming 8s

[restive peak]

Yeah, and I mean 8s will fill all your slots

[undone flower]

I meant 8s in m+ sry

[remote bobcat]

it'll be 7s next season right

instead of 8s

or am i trippin

[edgy widget]

I actually don't hate delves at all, some of them are pretty fun and the higher tiers have a decent amount of challenge

[undone flower]

It is 7s yes

[restive peak]

That’s what I mean, you have a shot at all loot spots

[edgy widget]

but I'm still not gonna hard grind them just for the chance of maps to then give me a chance of looting what I actually want

[restive peak]

Vs trying to farm a delve map and get the very random unlikely trinket

If you’re focused on going into raid with as much gear as possible, m+ is the play

[undone flower]

If they are again melee slaughter simulator, I would not waste my time in top delves

[covert blaze]

probably better to cap for the week to preserve keys

so you keep capping week to week

[remote bobcat]

extremely valid

[covert blaze]

instead of spending all your keys

[restive peak]

Yep

[pearl sequoia]

Are the wowhead guides auto updated when season 2 is out

[undone flower]

Thanks to chatgpt

[pearl sequoia]

i was hoping for a picture book this time

cant read words

[undone flower]

Next fury opener will be on a Paint drawing I can tell you that

[edgy widget]

the pages get updated beforehand, but they don't all get pushed live until the turnover (kinda depends on how ahead or behind schedule things are though)

I'm finishing WH guides tonight and tomorrow, Discord FAQs tomorrow evening sometime, and SimC APL push will happen around the time servers come up on Tues - there'll be a post or two in #updates-midnight as things are finalized

[pearl sequoia]

Sounds good

Keen to see what we are grinding this time

[edgy widget]

and then invariably there'll be half a dozen more updates as things change or blizz decides to throw unexpected tuning at us

[undone flower]

We grind nerfs

[pearl sequoia]

nom nom nom

[undone flower]

Next friday

[sinful spoke]

u guys think prot gets nerfed before patch?

if im gonna hve to tank keys while gearing i rather have fun

[edgy widget]

if your idea of fun is just being overtuned, then prepare for disappointment

[slim coral]

Did you get contest sundered doctrine done

[sinful spoke]

big dmg = fun

as tank

at least

[slim coral]

Small hands = fun

[sinful spoke]

smf?

[modest condor]

lol i joined a plunderstorm game and we're just stuck in the lobby with 20 people, no timer or countdown happening

finally a countdown after like 10 minutes

[slim coral]

W

[short roost]

any warriors get title this season?

[pearl sequoia]

atleast 3

[slim coral]

No warrior isn't good enough to get title

0 warriors gotit

[pulsar quest]

actually -3 warriors got it

[sullen dove]

not sure

[pulsar quest]

season was so bad that we actually went into the negatives

[steady harness]

Can you imagine even getting groups past 3k. True fantasy

[pulsar quest]

makes me happy to know im not the only one that quit after 3k

[pearl sequoia]

any warrior above 3k is boosted fr

[sullen dove]

memes aside that is a true statement

[pulsar quest]

i hit like 3050 and couldnt be asked anymore

[sullen dove]

"got title" playing with 2 other more op dps than you

[short roost]

i heard some dude name linccstyle got title

[sullen dove]

i know 1 warrior who has potential for title

gromnak the champion

student of bazeface

[pulsar quest]

linccstyle that guy who thought week 1 fury was good? lol

doubt it

[sullen dove]

[pulsar quest]

lowkey just ready for next season already im gettin bored

i hit GM on rivals this morning and idk if i should keep pushing for higher

i just wanna play wow

[sullen dove]

play sod

only good version of wow out

[pearl sequoia]

[pulsar quest]

ive thought about it

too close to new season for me

maybe after prog

[sullen dove]

look at how brollic i am bruh

[pulsar quest]

holy

[static rock]

So basically wowhead and #updates-midnight will be the current patch notes for 11.1, besides obviously blizzard?

[pearl sequoia]

demo really needs to return to metamorphosis, updated model could be sick

[sullen dove]

yea unfortunately no cuz dh's stole that and were way more boring

[pearl sequoia]

demon hunter vs literal demon

[sinful spoke]

i miss bazeface

i dont like this bazed guy

[sullen dove]

yea "bazed" insists upon itself too much

bazeface was funny and quirky

[restive peak]

Bro why am I catching strays lmao

But yeah I got title and 90% of my keys are with a mage and fdk 😛 the 1 I did with an enhance sham felt 2 key levels lower it’s fuckin wild

[young swan]

are u staying put in your guild for another tier

[sullen dove]

proly

idk they funny man

[short roost]

thats INSANE

[restive peak]

Title and top end keys are two different levels man

[sullen dove]

yea title is some baby shit

[restive peak]

16/17s are tough, 19s are not doable for DPS warr

Like legit they aren’t doable

[edgy widget]

on the other hand, they don't really need to be either

[restive peak]

Yeah exactly

[covert blaze]

skull emoji

[restive peak]

You should only need meta if you’re gonna TGP or want r1 world

You can get title as anything

[edgy widget]

it's an uncapped system, so there's always going to be some level where it becomes unviable for one spec or another

[sullen dove]

think have this weird self ego where i feel like if i go they kinda just suffer immensely

[summer quail]

That's why i am in mine as well. We're like rank 1200. As long as i get CE i'm content

[edgy widget]

eventually even the meta pushers can't actually push any higher

[sullen dove]

i do like playin wit em for the most part

[restive peak]

The keys Kira and them do require HOURS AND HOURS with every mathematical perfection, not worth it imo

But they impressive and I love watching

[sullen dove]

but yea just wish we could "Seriously" reclear more than once a tier

[covert blaze]

doesnt matter + god complex + L

[sullen dove]

tru

catch me in xd in s3

insta

got an in

(maybe)

by in i mean friend

[restive peak]

Gamers over there bruh

[sullen dove]

[sinful spoke]

idk man i heard u raging during queen prog

when u got wiiped

by that dk

😭

omg that was too good

[sullen dove]

o ye i mean that was tragic

[sinful spoke]

bro slappy hands the fucking adds at like 1%

[sullen dove]

classic

[sinful spoke]

dks need to be executed

[sullen dove]

yes

[restive peak]

I wanna see this clip

[sullen dove]

surely cheche did that

[restive peak]

Slappy hands is actually so troll man

[sinful spoke]

i didnt clip it

i was too flabbergasted to

[undone flower]

I have metamorphosis…. On cata classic

[sinful spoke]

@sullen dovewhen did u kill queen

[pearl sequoia]

disgustin

[sullen dove]

feb 1

[sinful spoke]

i think it was the same day or the day before

[sullen dove]

yea i think so

found the log night

[undone flower]

GG swordfish

[sullen dove]

so if i have the kill vod should be able to find

surely didnt immediately delete it

[modest condor]

cant be worse than the blood dk that used the lego while holding an orb on fyrakk at 0.1%

[pearl sequoia]

feb 1? what took so long

[sullen dove]

everyone else

[pearl sequoia]

yeaa facts

[undone flower]

At least you don’t raid 3 times per week

Right ?

[sullen dove]

[undone flower]

I killed it Jan 23rd and raid 3 times

[sinful spoke]

thats aids

[sinful spoke]

ur vods are gone bro

or at least i cant see them

[sullen dove]

ive never had any cuz music

[pearl sequoia]

im sorry for your prog pain

[sinful spoke]

rip

[sullen dove]

but looking at video producer i made a highlight of the kill

but nothing else on feb 1

[modest condor]

the best part is that it was during the race to world last like 2 days before the end of the season

they killed it the next day without that guy

[sullen dove]

i thought vods r supposed to stay for like a month?

b4 auto deleting no?

[sinful spoke]

ooof

bro got benched right after

[sinful spoke]

idk twitch is weird

[undone flower]

You too look the race to world last lol

[pearl sequoia]

@undone flower do you know your pull count if you were doing 3 times a week?

[undone flower]

I can link the warcraftlog prog

I think it’s public

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/guild/progress/153354?zone=38
do you see it ?

[pearl sequoia]

ye daym

[sullen dove]

oh affiliate vods saved for 14 days

god damn man this game is so cringe

me when i say game but talking about twitch

unfort gg

[undone flower]

The December break kinda reseted the p1 prog a bit it was awful

[sullen dove]

but uh here is the entire raid dying in 1 instant when boss is at 1% hp

[pearl sequoia]

Yea my old guild we killed it just before christmas break, but only 100 less pulls

the p3 prog to restarting p1 would be pain

was kinda weird, surviving p2 2nd platform was the 90% of the hardship during prog

P3 queen is a little chill

[sullen dove]

ya that took us forever

p3 was so easy too but just panic maybe idk

[undone flower]

Yep p3 was the AUTOBAHN

[sullen dove]

and like webs going off is still like 8 mil damage so you have to have some defensive or you die

but even still nothin else matters

can proudly say i never wiped the raid jumping over a ring with essence tho

[undone flower]

Our kill was so chaotic because we never really did the last last part

[sullen dove]

i dont think anyone ever did 3rd set of adds past like.. the first month

[pearl sequoia]

can proudly say i jumped off the map with essence and didnt wipe the raid

[sullen dove]

pogga

[undone flower]

Yes I meant the part a little bit after the second essences carry/ portal

We do that and almost everyone alive and at that point : wtf will happens they panick

[sullen dove]

yea i think its just 1 more set of small adds and gg

maybe have to deal with second shackles

[undone flower]

Yep I think it died just when the shackles appeared or after I don’t remember I died from a blade on the kill

[pearl sequoia]

second shackles

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-mushroom-cloud-atomic-bomb-bomb-boom-gif-4464831

[undone flower]

Second shackles : die anywhere far pls

That’s how we planned it

[pearl sequoia]

i think on our first kill i got 2nd shackles and raid said go to purple marker, as im heroic leaping across the map

so clean

[sinful spoke]

u guys wanna see my queen pull count?

[undone flower]

If you want a vod of my kill I think it exist but it’s French

[sinful spoke]

i swapped guilds mid prog

[undone flower]

I know a chinese guild

[sinful spoke]

the guild i was in was so trash that after i left the gm looted the gbank and disbanded

😭

they were at like 600 pulls

[undone flower]

It’s not the number of pulls tbh

A kill is a kill

But if no progression and no changes is also horrible

[pearl sequoia]

yoink

[modest condor]

it's crazy how endbosses just take 500 pulls now for CE guilds

[sinful spoke]

yup

[undone flower]

End bosses

[sinful spoke]

i mean

[pearl sequoia]

court took same amount of pulls as queen

[sinful spoke]

tindral doesnt count

[pearl sequoia]

blizz making it hard

[modest condor]

back in bfa that shit took like 200-300 pulls by the time the late CE guilds reached them

[sinful spoke]

its the guild killer

[modest condor]

we're now 2 raids in a row where the last 2 bosses can easily take 400 pulls for a late CE guild

[undone flower]

Ovinax is a guild killer, average guild killers are not so far in the raids

[undone flower]

If you talk about nzoth the patch lasted almost a year

[pearl sequoia]

i don't mind it, at least with a competent guild it feels like a good challenge, this being my first CE it felt like a suitable progression time for Mythic raid - that being what should be the 'hardest of all content' outside endless scaling m+

[sullen dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1203533766560317520/1343421733037801503/ear.webp?ex=67bd367c&is=67bbe4fc&hm=d45b18ed73de71a9f98afa3f5548f1c6153a4d096103365e3b77aca4c96fcc6f&

[slim coral]

I do 16s for breakfast little guy

[rose bay]

harder raids plz bliaard

[sullen dove]

W baze

[slim coral]

SOTFO best raid in terms of difficutly

[sullen dove]

[rose bay]

yeah spinkter was great! untill hellondrus bugged out for a month and his last stage broke the camra

[rose bay]

also sotfo sounds like such a darksouls name

[slim coral]

Aff slaps

[rose bay]

Oh hey kalamazii!

[slim coral]

[sullen dove]

is that live or ptr

[rose bay]

ptr

[slim coral]

ptr

[sullen dove]

why the fuck is he playing aff

[modest condor]

you think people are doing 3.3mil overall on live?

[sullen dove]

idk

[pearl sequoia]

ive watched kalamazi for years, good man

[rose bay]

on god

[slim coral]

you know people have to test specs right?

[rose bay]

based player based warlock person

whats that meme

[sullen dove]

and then sandbag the good ones

[modest condor]

B for Based

[rose bay]

where the guys like

[sullen dove]

(destro only b tier)

[rose bay]

imagines what the chips taste like

[modest condor]

that's why he put destro in B tier

[rose bay]

and dosent have to eat them

is that the same thing as not teasting specs

[slim coral]

I mean Critcake also sandbagged for arms

he put them into A

[sullen dove]

arms was put in S breh

[slim coral]

outside of 5 big booms

[sullen dove]

fury is in A i think

[rose bay]

Alhumdolillah critcake

[slim coral]

nah he took it back later

int he vod

[undone flower]

One day I’ll play warlock

[pearl sequoia]

I've seen arms in A, fury in B

[sullen dove]

quirked up

[modest condor]

he put it in A because it's not gonna be meta in m+ and 5 big booms ment meta in both raid and m+

[rose bay]

Arms could be s but i play it like a D- spec

Fuwwey

[sinful spoke]

learn it

[undone flower]

So it’s 4 big booms ?

[sinful spoke]

arms is simpler than fury

[rose bay]

2 many buttens only 4 fingers

thumb is for spacebar

[undone flower]

Or is it 5 smaller booms

[pearl sequoia]

I think arms has less buttons

it just has no flow

[sinful spoke]

arms has

less than fury

wdym

[rose bay]

yeah im not a fan of arms cycle

[slim coral]

Arms is gonna be meta

[rose bay]

it feels weird that it just

has 2 buttens that do damage

on a 45-1:30 sec cd

[slim coral]

only the best players can truly understand that arms will be meta in m+

[rose bay]

and no fucking interaction

[sinful spoke]

u prefer raging blow raging blow bloodthirst rampage repeat

[rose bay]

same with fury

[sinful spoke]

?

[slim coral]

anyone who disagrees is boosted

[rose bay]

Boosted banoooboo

Yes

me fucking smash keys me fuckin happy

no smash keys, no happy

[undone flower]

If you are EU I bet feral is meta for 50k gold

[rose bay]

dont worry tho i play fury at a D- tier also

[slim coral]

it's gonna be an arms feral enhacement comp

[pearl sequoia]

cant enhance and dk do arms damage with better util

[slim coral]

every other comp will be so far behind

[left perch]

hey guys i heard you can get free boosts if you say arms won't be meta in m+ does anyone know where to sign up for it? (ideally would like to get full myth vault one first week)

[rose bay]

I fucking hate when arms is ballanced around bleeds or its mastry it feels so fucking animic, i wanna hit a fucking butten and watch it chunk hp bars, not play babies first rogue

[pearl sequoia]

good thing enhance got balanced tbh, the resto buff really brought them to our level

[modest condor]

fury bm fire

m+ meta

trust

[rose bay]

The M+ meta is realy easy

any class i invite is meta

any class i dont is stinky

[modest condor]

real

[slim coral]

ask Crit

[undone flower]

Sure, it’s not Christmas anymore silma

[slim coral]

he's the one saying arms isn't 5 big booms

[rose bay]

yeah cause its secretly 6 big booms

2 in each hand, last 2 held between butcheeks

[sinful spoke]

execute phase

[undone flower]

Because his inner furry couldn’t put arms so far ahead of fury, it is a lie

[pearl sequoia]

execute phases on each mob ur right, this is crazy chat

[slim coral]

This is the only acceptable tier list

Anyone who place fury and arms lower is trash

[undone flower]

You forgot ret

[slim coral]

ret b tier

[rose bay]

me when my raid leader recruting 3 warriors in wod wasnt a bait

i fucking new it would pay off one day

or was it 4 :c

no 3 herti and ferb iirc

[undone flower]

Oh they actually ranked ret ?

[rose bay]

Oh damn time for rets next rework

[undone flower]

Rets must be so mad, it is both 5 big booms and bottom

[clever path]

anyone know how tf people are dealing 3m dps?

im doing about 900k - 1.1m

[rose bay]

hitting there keys very hard

its on ptr

or are u talking about now, may need a log er something

[undone flower]

Because a random dude called Max in his bathroom and hanged up, he put ret on top at the end lol

[clever path]

im assuming its due to ilvl and very specific gems and enchants

[pearl sequoia]

3mil is simming for next season? in what scenario are you talking about

[clever path]

i see that'll be what im cnfused about then

[gilded pawn]

900k is low even on live

[pearl sequoia]

if you are simming 900 - 1.1 then it will be ilvl for sure man

but yea 3mil, next season awaits

[undone flower]

We are doing 2 m+ overalls in live keys, it’s not that crazy to think we do 50% more with 50 more ilvl

[clever path]

aight bet, my prioeity for sure needs a bit of work, especially for ST

616 with basic bitch enchants and gems also aint helping but i dont particularly care about replacing them

season is basically over

[slim coral]

use cds spam rampage win

[fervent yoke]

Could be your gear too, I swapped from fury didn’t see big dam till I went haste/crit on gems enchants etc.

[clever path]

haste and crit you say?

i'll keep that in mind, i think rn i have all my shit put in mastery > haste

[undone flower]

And you don’t do the same packs as them maybe, or the packs die to quick so the boss part of your details is most of your damage

So ST dmg

[fervent yoke]

Yeah that sounds like fury gear prio

[covert blaze]

no

sim yourself

[fervent yoke]

Oof I though this was arms chat my bad I’m stoned

[clever path]

LMAO

i'll just keep refining

[fervent yoke]

Yeah dont go haste crit thats arms

Mastery haste is correct

[pearl sequoia]

make sure to sim with the Only 4+ colors ticked as well

so you can get that free crit

[clever path]

can someone link the sim please

[undone flower]

You want obscure sims at 5 am?

I will add no context

[pearl sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/french-this-man-thanos-this-man-french-react-him-this-man-french-gif-2951897572347233724

[covert blaze]

holy

[dapper goblet]

madox for yellow

[covert blaze]

im gonna spam xan with that

[pearl sequoia]

oui

[undone flower]

Chibrax

[clever path]

phenomenal

very nice

[fringe vale]

yo whats a fun alt to play? looking for something easy to learn and to master

tried dk but its boring af

[young swan]

shaman

[fringe vale]

ive always avided shaman idk why

avoided*

[young swan]

shits fun

give it a go

[fringe vale]

i think i should tbh, wanna give a go to mage also, but that thing i used to play back in shadowlands s1.

so shaman would be a completely new thing

might try it out ty bro

enh or ele?

[young swan]

whatever tickles ur fancy

i like ele

[hallow sphinx]

blow up

[covert coyote]

enh was pretty fun to learn for an alt

[young swan]

@slim coral play arms

[slim coral]

ok

I'm a bit rusty! haven't played colossus at all lmao

[young swan]

gotta practice

gotta sandbag\

2 birds

[slim coral]

lol I got you

I'm sure I'll die to a demolish cast

[slim coral]

what trinkets does arms yse?

use

[young swan]

house of cards + eye of kezan/that delve trinket

[slim coral]

kk

[red berry]

have they not nerfed the delve trinket yet

i suppose patch isn't too far ut

out, even

[frank dawn]

does the lower ilvl delve trinket compete with mythic ilvl stuff?

[summer quail]

They have nerfed it. Still good

[red berry]

that makes sense

[edgy widget]

energy drink and amplifier do, though you want to get them from vault rather than just an end of delve drop

part of that is just because Best-in-Slots competes for the typical on-use trinket activation though; if you don't have it, you're better off using House of Cards

[ornate gust]

Does anyone know if this buff is huge or not for fury?

Enchant Weapon - Authority of the Depths damage dealt per stack increased by 48%

[acoustic yoke]

i mean it's just a buff to an enchant we already use

If you mean, "does this have any significant change to whether we beat some other spec," then idk

but highly doubt that it's a major differential

[edgy widget]

Just means it remains the best ST enchant, instead of losing to +stat ones

[ornate gust]

Thanks

[edgy widget]

If you want pure ST go with Depths, if you want more balanced AoE/ST, go with Oathsworn or one of the other +stat procs

[runic violet]

oh

[ornate gust]

Definitely pure ST for raid progression.

I just started preparing for S2. I doubt if I want to play Fury in S2.

I need to check the guides first

[hybrid willow]

guys, when burst of power procs (no cd on bloodthirst) Do you just send it without empowering it with rampage beforehand?

[summer quail]

No. You want it to be on bloodbath only

Tho soon with the patch RA will change, so it's not like current RA prio matters that much.

[hybrid willow]

Thankss

[clever path]

imma lose it

how does a melee class get past this

everyone else just alked straigh tthrough

however i cant

[dapper goblet]

heroic throw

charge should also work

[clever path]

i tried charge and it just pinballed me off

[slim coral]

Wow is that Xeos giving advice?

[clever path]

sadly dont have heroic throw yet on this cahracter

[slim coral]

I gotta screenshot this

[clever path]

imma come back later cuz i wanna farm the mount on my main and figure out exactly how to deal with it

thanks tho

[radiant plank]

you can storm bolt

and leap too

[young swan]

dont think he has enough talent points for that

[clever path]

leaping doesnt work, i'll try stormbolt next tiem tho

[young swan]

nvm

[clever path]

maybe i just have to stun it

i guess it is entirely possible that my lvl just cant get past it on its own

since its a Cata dungeon

back when Cata was live calsses would've been i think 85 and had everything they needed

of for fuck sake

[radiant plank]

also u do have heroic throw

[clever path]

literally just got it

[clever path]

nvm im braindead

[radiant plank]

from the screenshot in dungeon

[slim coral]

Stop bullying him eagle

[radiant plank]

icant

[clever path]

im actually just braindead

[slim coral]

Wahle

[clever path]

😂

[radiant plank]

Common warrior issue np

[slim coral]

Must be EU

[clever path]

its that Fury brainrot

thing is, i was using Heroic Throw against Rashanan heroic 😭

earlier today

its even on the same keybind as this toon

[radiant plank]

I regret looking at your ss

[clever path]

dont look at the buff tray

one sec lemme find an ss

here you go

[radiant plank]

I hvae seen worse

[clever path]

some healer UI's give me whiplash

[summer quail]

do you look all the way up there to track stuff?

[clever path]

being in my peripheral vision is usually enough

i used to have them a lot bigger

would take up the entire left side of my screen

[covert blaze]

delete this

[clever path]

💀

[slim coral]

Do you play destiny

[radiant plank]

Used to play quit after savathun raid tho

[slim coral]

I completed the new dungeon on contest

[radiant plank]

GZ!

[unkempt dagger]

i like ur name

[covert blaze]

ty

[slim coral]

Thanks bud!

[tardy lark]

madox for yellow

[uneven path]

Your name is peak

[warm crag]

Did it last week

[gleaming siren]

Wow Spongie

So strong

Destiny's Gingi

[hollow mirage]

Hi all, hope doing well, rando question here, does anyone know if our M+ rating reset this week or next?

[stiff barn]

Probably next , since that's when S2 starts.

[hollow mirage]

coolies, thanks to so much, sorry prob shoulda actually posted this in the Gen chan ROFL

[hardy bluff]

spec channels are the active ones so use them for questions

[tardy lark]

spec channels are for shitposting

[hollow mirage]

ty ^^

[eternal sundial]

Or making fun of smf which is serious Business

[high echo]

spec channels are for spreading misinformation

and sandbagging

[tardy lark]

SMF or funkykitty

[tardy lark]

misinformation mostly

[celest sierra]

SMF getting a massive buff Tuesday

[dense elbow]

SMF got a buff with the new cantrip 1h weapons

[high echo]

wtf is smf?

[eternal sundial]

Suck my fat (nuts)

[dense elbow]

Smurf or single minded fury

Your choice

[celest sierra]

The only talent u should be running come Tuesday

[high echo]

wait you dont mean the 1h talent?

lol

[ashen pine]

Hi all! In a nutshell: Is Fury strong in aoe? strong in st ?
Just tell me in two words please

[eternal sundial]

Ok both

[dense elbow]

Yes kinda

[eternal sundial]

Wait final tuning

[celest sierra]

^ sir that’s 3 words

[dense elbow]

Phil failed

Smh

[ashen pine]

Some write that he is terrible, others write ok))))

[dense elbow]

It is ok or better

Anyone that say terrible are uninformed

[celest sierra]

Fury warrior is absolutly insane in ST and Aoe for approximately 12 seconds . Then u gotta wait 1.5 mins

[ashen pine]

If it is tier "C+", then it suits me)))

[celest sierra]

Minute 30*

[dense elbow]

It is closer to A

[oblique trail]

Tierlist bad

No look

Warrior fine

If like

Then play

[celest sierra]

Yeh tier list is made by mage fanboys

[dense elbow]

We always fine, saying we are fine means nothing

[eternal sundial]

Petko is an ele shaman

[dense elbow]

Use tier language

[radiant plank]

aoe: ok
st: strong

[eternal sundial]

4 word

[dense elbow]

Walhe fails too

[eternal sundial]

Walhe read bad

Ook

[radiant plank]

2 words buddy

I took his topics

[celest sierra]

Ignore everything I say it’s 5am and I been working since 630 im just bored

[radiant plank]

and answered with 2 words

[eternal sundial]

Quit work

[summer quail]

we gucci

[dense elbow]

You yapping crazy extra

[high echo]

nah ill give you 2 words pal

arms owns

[eternal sundial]

Assault mcdonalds

Steal nuggies

[ashen pine]

[eternal sundial]

Or how a famous apolitical figure put it

[celest sierra]

Tuesday

[eternal sundial]

2 words, fuck you, pay me

[dense elbow]

That is 6

[eternal sundial]

That's not the only weird belief that guy holds

[dense elbow]

Buff OF
^

[gaunt moat]

[viscid tiger]

Buff onlyfans?

[tardy lark]

at least its better than the "only dracthyr scale" joke

or, maybe just marginally better

[unkempt dagger]

5 targets

1 word and 1 number

https://tenor.com/view/get-on-my-level-stairs-sliding-too-cool-edit-gif-5426409

[unreal onyx]

Every class fine, some good

Warrior good could better could be worse

Waiting for live to be nerfed again

[south kayak]

Still opportunity cost and worse

[remote bobcat]

evoker kinda not fine, kinda problematic state

(yes im nitpicking)

[south kayak]

Chatting

[dense elbow]

What I do, hmm? Gosh darned pingers

Ping me when OF gets buffed, rest I can skip

[remote bobcat]

nah

@dense elbow

@dense elbow

nah

[summer quail]

Ping you next expansion then

[remote bobcat]

Wave

[pastel stone]

is there a ptr build for m+? the wowhead one doesnt work

[unkempt dagger]

nah, people create builds on ptr

u can use the wowhead one as a guideline

or read the talents before u pick them, they kinda guide u

[unreal onyx]

Update: OF didnt get buffed

[undone flower]

Why is it so stacked ? You can turn off 4:3 out of cs2

But I used to play on a laptop too so I know the massive icons

[covert blaze]

[hardy vault]

hey ! where can i find simdps for s2 ?

[warm crag]

dont say that

[warm crag]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/10g479vXesC382k68gw4akUKeuGUodbDho0yhKK6Eh0w/htmlview

this might be correct i didnt look into it too much

but its also all subject to change so who cares

[gleaming siren]

You said it yourself

You now live with the consequences

[terse minnow]

hey guys, opener wise in a pack, im wondering if we clap > reck > rampage> blast or if we just ignore first clap. long story short im wondering if the cleave value of rampage is worth a clap/un-enraged blast

[serene moat]

do UF reck procs enable CB/BB on ptr?

[restive peak]

https://tenor.com/view/good-boy-pat-on-head-stitch-gif-14742401

[quartz rampart]

didn't @edgy widget say it needed an update?

[chrome plover]

what is that mechano-core amplifier trinket from?

[oblique trail]

Delves

[chrome plover]

i was hoping that wasnt the answer

but i did suspect

[oblique trail]

At a glance they should all be updated

Clicked through a few sims and they were made 2 days ago

[oblique trail]

The energy drink to my knowledge is also from delves, so atm unless trinket tuning happens, expect to actually farm delves to get your best trinkets

Sadly just a weird season where none of the dungeon trinkets are remotely useful

[glad coyote]

do we have a list of trinkets?

[hardy bluff]

im happy i dont need to win the vault lottery for a dungeon trinket

delve pool is way smaller

[oblique trail]

Delve also has a lot of other garbage in it

[chrome plover]

and you need it to be from a map

to get hero...

[oblique trail]

Not necessarily

[hardy bluff]

pretty sure grim batol has more items then all delves

[chrome plover]

oh

vault too

[oblique trail]

Bountiful 8 gives hero track from vault

[chrome plover]

right

that's not as bad as i thought then i forgor

[oblique trail]

Or maybe all bountifuls is hero track? I honestly don't remember

WIll be doing bountiful 8 anyway just for gear anyway

[chrome plover]

i think it was 8s yeah

is it 636 champion gear from 8s?

[hardy bluff]

champion gear yea

[oblique trail]

Not sure what the tracks are like for S2

[coarse nest]

I didn’t see a delve map the entire season 1 so that’s promising

[oblique trail]

In S1 it was normal raid equivalent you got from bountiful 8s so it should add up

[chilly fractal]

Hell yea brother

[hardy bluff]

you will get 1 per week now

[oblique trail]

The only character that got maps was my mage split alt 👍

[chrome plover]

i got really lucky with them

[hardy bluff]

i got like 1 per character i think

[dull sierra]

https://i.redd.it/ioq1zaasxcke1.jpeg

heres the up to date one

[oblique trail]

Salt with the save as always

[dull sierra]

😎

[granite crown]

So we farm 7s until we get a map then do one +8?

[restive peak]

Just do M+, spending all your time fishing for a very off chance between map+it dropping is crazy

Do your weekly delves w maps for vault cap then M+

[granite crown]

I mean yeah keys until we're missing 1-2 pieces hero track probably

[restive peak]

Yeah

[plush ice]

so, i'm looking at that chart and am also dumb, if we are doing delves for vault, whats the min level of delves we have to do?

and do they have to be bountiful or not

[restive peak]

7s cap your vault, they don't for vault no

[silent burrow]

Top right shows you need a 7 for vault and 8 for max in the chest at the end with map I think

[plush ice]

kk, and we need to hopefully get one map a week and turn it in on a bountiful delv - do the maps drop in whatever 7's, or do they only drop in bountifuls?

[oblique thistle]

There's bad luck protection now for the maps so theoretically if you do your weekly delves you should get one map
I think they only drop from bountiful delves

[plush ice]

i did all this at the beginning of this tier, idk why my memory on it is so fuzzy

kk, so basically you start from scratch, do delves until you get to 8's, then do 8 bountiful delves for vault trinket chance + map chance

[unkempt dagger]

okay so difference between overalls will not be that huge when it comes to arms vs fury

i really enjoy fury bcs it lets me focus on mechanichs rather than not missing one buff to mortal strike that will make my ms hit like a water filled condom

[silent burrow]

Just play what you enjoy and are comfortable with, it's your most likely chance to do the most dam

[oblique trail]

Spoiler, you can play Arms and manage to do very well just by making sure you press MS on cooldown

If you think "I gotta make sure my MS is buffed" then you're already making a mistake

Only exception to this is during Execute where you specifically play around EP/4p

[unkempt dagger]

idk it feels so much more clunky

[unkempt dagger]

i think ill follow this

[oblique trail]

Arms is a spec of all time that's for sure

You can press buttons and not care too much, as long as you press MS on CD

[unkempt dagger]

i like cleave, that is the only reason why i would play arms, such a staple spell

or rather, an ability*

[oblique thistle]

Arms sure has buttons that you press to do damage

[next ruin]

Thank you