#fury

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junior shore
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It replaces your bloodthirsty ability after you press rampage

oblique trail
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You read top to bottom, you reach the first thing you actually can do, then you restart top to bottom

fluid pelican
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Okay, so where do I find "bloodbath" in my spellbook or my talents?

oblique trail
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My friend

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I just explained it to you

fluid pelican
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So I do bloodthirst there.

oblique trail
fluid pelican
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That makes sense.

oblique trail
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Neither of them show up in your spell book

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They simply just replace your bloodthirst or raging blow on your action bars after you rampage

junior shore
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Bloodthirst on your bars turns into bloodbath on your action bars

fluid pelican
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Bloodthirst does.

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Got it. Spell conversion.

junior shore
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Yup

fluid pelican
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Had me going for a bit. 🙂

lime perch
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Hell yeah dude

pale sentinel
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🫡

fluid pelican
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Sorry to be a noodge, but how to I know when Bloodbath is available? I can't find it in the Talent Trees even by reference and WoWhead only shows the abillity as belonging to NPCs. Does the icon change?

oblique trail
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My guy

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How many times do I have to tell you

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It only happens when you have this specific talent as well

image.png
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To know specifically if you still have a charge of either one ready, the icon on your action bar changes on both bloodthirst and raging blow, and you also get a buff that tells you it's still active

fluid pelican
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Dude, I understand the priority list. I'm saying it specifically says "Bloodbath" - The priority list specifically says "bloodbath" rather than "Bloodthirst" so presumablely you don't just smack bloodthirst and hope it's up.

Nothing in what you're showing me references bloodBATH at all.

Can you please drop the condesencsion and answer my question?

How do I tell when BloodBATH is up vs BloodTHIRST - becauase literally nothing in the game is telling me the spells have been swapped out.

I see that on others where that happens. Just not here.

oblique trail
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Sorry but I think it's genuinely just an issue on your end then, if you haven't understood it yet

young swan
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the icon on your bars will change and you get a buff as well

whole yacht
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the icon changes

oblique trail
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I have answered all of this already up above

fluid pelican
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I'm not seing it change. That';s what I'm saying. I've been smaking a turnip and a testing dummy since my last set of comments and it just doesn't change. I've got

oblique trail
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Do you have reckless abandon talented

covert coyote
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it's every time you rampage you get 1 bloodbath and 1 crushing blow, the abilities change on the action bars

oblique trail
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And if yes are you rampaging

fluid pelican
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it's every time you rampage you get 1 bloodbath and 1 crushing blow, the abilities change on the action bars - perfect. I"ll work from that.

oblique trail
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And really important question as well just as a sanity check, are you playing on live servers or PTR

fluid pelican
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Got it. I'll test with that in mind.

whole yacht
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bloodthirs first pic, bloodbath second

fluid pelican
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Okay, that work. Thank you for the help.

remote bobcat
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if its grim batol or ara kara, then ur competing with 635+ players :)

molten night
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xD

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just doing them because im bored.

whole yacht
remote bobcat
molten night
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oh very true

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rip comp wars

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so we dropping deft EXP on PTR now huh?

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im so behind

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Dx

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on PTR is the difference between powerful and frenzied enrage still minor enough to just pick w/e i feel like on that choice node?

radiant plank
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no

molten night
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awwwwwwwww

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can't go speedy on thane no more :(?

radiant plank
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no

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u are slow

molten night
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ok 😦

remote bobcat
molten night
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all good things must end i guess

remote bobcat
ashen parcel
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hey, do raid hero talents and rotation changes for 11.1?

dusty cove
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Why did we get nerfed again, I swear they once said they don't want to do aura nerf anymore

humble plover
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Guys I hear we got 5% ability nerf. Game over, we Aug mains now?

limber oar
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aug also gutted

warped bone
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Aug if anything is dead. War are still alive at least xD

humble plover
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Idk man, not sure we'll financially recover from 5%

limber oar
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warrior is fine people just love dooming out

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also lots of changes gonna happen anyways

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even if fury is actually bad at least Arms is looking decent enough

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ill take 1 playable spec over none

young swan
humble plover
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Nah arms got 5% too it's mega doomed for sure. We should all panic and ask for buffs

limber oar
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fine im crashing out

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you convinced me

humble plover
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Bet

molten night
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ill delete my warrior.

humble plover
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Good start!

gleaming talon
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Fury will be the supreme spec

humble plover
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Wait is AM gonna be the play?

young swan
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seems like it

dense elbow
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For M+? Very likely. For raid? Will be based on the fight as per usual with these things

humble plover
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Ight, selling my warrior who wants it

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I'll take a high five and some pocket lint

molten night
dense elbow
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Who would buy a warrior in the echonomy?

humble plover
molten night
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no deal.

earnest canyon
young swan
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i havent seen a fight so far that wouldnt be an AM fight

humble plover
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I'm just gonna have to cook Mountain Thane single taeget all tier. Anger management bladestorm ain't it. Never even liked bladestorm.

bright sable
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All the acronyms are killing me

dusty cove
humble plover
young swan
blissful delta
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@hard widget confirmed fury bad

humble plover
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Which ofc is a sin

hard widget
dusty cove
tame gorge
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Can't do too much damage with how much utility we bring to groups

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Makes perdect sense

summer crater
young swan
dense elbow
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We are S tier, bad list is bad

young swan
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tier lists are dumb to look at

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that one is for m+

earnest canyon
molten night
junior gale
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Oh no tier list say B tier whatever are we gonna do

dense elbow
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Fury in B tier for M+ smells of someone with a bias

molten night
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B FOR BEST

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JUST SAYING

summer crater
dense elbow
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Oh

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wait, BDK wasnt in S?

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Poor Yoda, ran out of trollium

dusty cove
junior gale
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Fury is doing approximately 5% less dmg after the nerfs did the math myself

dense elbow
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Wdum? We are going to do a lot more dam after the changes hit live

humble plover
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Xan are you trying to say tier lists are nonsensical opinionated garbage that nobody should rely on for good information about the state of their class and spec? Blasphemy!

dense elbow
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Bozo bad math

summer crater
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I mean there's one thing we can say for certain, there's a 95% chance warrior dps will never be meta in mythic+

hollow elk
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all im gona say is

this happened in season one too and we were all " this is fine this is fine " and then the nerfs never stopped until we got burried into the dirt

dense elbow
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That is fine tho

hollow elk
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not even out of the gate for s2 and we are already getting capped

junior gale
dense elbow
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Smh, run numbers again

hollow elk
humble plover
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Only ability damage so less than 5% actually

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Bozo bad math

dense elbow
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Enchantments got buffed too

junior gale
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Ran the math again about a 5% nerf

dense elbow
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We need a new simbot, Bozo is broken

junior gale
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I require $5 a month to sim correctly

dense elbow
humble plover
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Too steep a price I'ma go look at a tier list instead

young swan
humble plover
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Big word alert. Warrior brain no understando

dense elbow
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I wouldn't say that, 5% is a big chunk

oblique trail
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5% when we're already slated to do well above the rest is not a lot

humble plover
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Ask bozo he's got the math for it

junior gale
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5%

dense elbow
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5% is still 5%, even if it is of 100 or 1000

young swan
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not in this case

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when we're 10% ahead of the competition it literally does not matter

smoky vale
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we got the best nerfs out of everyone

dense elbow
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BM wants a word

humble plover
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It's is important to note that it is ability damage. So like autos, item damage, enchants, emotional damage are all still untouched

modest condor
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is there any public raid data from after the buffs?

junior gale
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Targeted nerfs woulda been better but is what it is

modest condor
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sim lists are nice and all but we we dont know how accurate the others are and it doesnt mean anything if the raid doesnt cater to our strengths

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and at least fury wasnt overperforming in m+

ashen parcel
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doe raid single target rotation and hero talents change for 11.1?

dense elbow
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Well, in our case - it is a simple -5% of what we did before. How it compares to other class changes? I have no idea

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was many sentences

summer crater
modest condor
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not every pull is large

dense elbow
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We do catch up neatly on bosses either way - against the big AoE leaders

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and that is fair

humble plover
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She said every pull was enough ok

junior gale
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Fury big ST pumper in keys

dense elbow
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I just hope warlock isnt released as I saw them last :v

smoky vale
dense elbow
smoky vale
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got shot in the head 20x over worse than fury in s1

dense elbow
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Aug? Sure. Not my pond

modest condor
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idc the sooner aug disappears the better

junior gale
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The bottom paragraph screams oh no we have to actually min max our spec to be relevant

humble plover
smoky vale
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i mean whether or not you like aug our nerfs were good

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we did not get shot

humble plover
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@aug perish

fickle bluff
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"simply too much of a nerf" proceeds to say the most fire shit ive heard since aug launched

dense elbow
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Not yet, you mean

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Blizz got a bullet chambered with Fury (and arms as collateral) on it

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Ready for HC dung week

smoky vale
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if you are complaining about warrior nerfs idk

junior gale
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Doesn't even seem that large of a nerf the guy literally said they have to actually play the spec now to be relevant. Instead of mindless buff and no think

young swan
junior gale
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Sounds like Aug is in a good spot now

dense elbow
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Nah, blizz dont change like that

young swan
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i mean

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arms is just better

smoky vale
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lol

radiant plank
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The eternal struggle of the Warrior in World of Warcraft—a tale as old as time, and one that reeks of Blizzard’s blatant favoritism toward the holy trinity of Mage, Warlock, and Hunter (with Death Knights joining the VIP club later). Let’s be real: Warriors are the red-headed stepchildren of WoW, perpetually relegated to the sidelines while the golden children get to bask in the glory of being overpowered patch after patch. Why? Because Blizzard has a clear bias toward ranged DPS and hybrid classes that can do everything while Warriors are left to beg for scraps. Mages get to teleport, polymorph, and dominate the meters with their flashy spells. Warlocks get to summon demons, drain life, and top charts with minimal effort. Hunters get to pew-pew from 40 yards away with their pets doing half the work. And DKs? They get to be tanky, self-healing monsters with insane utility. Meanwhile, Warriors are over here just trying to land a decent crit without getting kited into oblivion.

The real reason Warriors are never allowed to be strong for long is simple: Blizzard doesn’t know what to do with them. They’re the “simple” melee class in a game that increasingly rewards complexity and versatility. When Warriors do get their moment in the sun (looking at you, Fury in Legion), Blizzard inevitably nerfs them into the ground because they’re terrified of melee classes being too dominant in a ranged-favored meta. Meanwhile, Mages, Warlocks, and Hunters are consistently allowed to dominate because they fit Blizzard’s vision of what a “strong” class should be: flashy, versatile, and easy to balance around raid mechanics that punish melee. It’s not fair, but fairness has never been Blizzard’s strong suit. Warriors will always be the underdogs, and the WoW community will continue to simp for Mages and Warlocks while pretending Warriors don’t exist. Such is life in Azeroth.

young swan
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there isnt really add cheese in this raid

dense elbow
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Our burst AoE isnt what it was either way - so good

humble plover
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Dont you dare say that Xan. Arms only has 1 weapon. It can't be better

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Math doesn't check out

smoky vale
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it is

restive peak
young swan
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no

dense elbow
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I have no idea

young swan
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well

restive peak
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I'm pretty sure there's legit fuckall to do this week

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We're basically afk

young swan
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we have patch week -> raid

humble plover
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Yep

dense elbow
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Dont they open adventurer track at least?

static loom
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M0 as well, but haven't been confirmed AFAIK

restive peak
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Yeah that's why I mean

humble plover
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We do nothing this week and ball hard next week

restive peak
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I thought I read no m0

smoky vale
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me too^

restive peak
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Could be someone who knew fuckall

static loom
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🤷

junior gale
restive peak
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But I remember seeing the m0s will remain S1 dungeons

dense elbow
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Well, guess we get to be nerfed based on old content prepatch week

restive peak
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I expect 1 more tuning patch literally on the 3rd

static loom
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Farm the zone, and try to get one of the great trinkets from WQs

young swan
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drogbar rocks

dense elbow
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Best trinky

hollow elk
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so we cant even get a couple of ilvls at all huh

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i guess catch up alts

dense elbow
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I will just have fun pumping dam

humble plover
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I'ma play sod

restive peak
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The gear in the new zone will probably be catchup gear

dense elbow
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I always forget, 640 is equal to LFR level, ye?

young swan
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normal usually

dense elbow
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Aight, then I get to chill

restive peak
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This week is the sit there sad week

dense elbow
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nice

young swan
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gotta start renown farming for dinar

dense elbow
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Dinar wasnt bound to renown anymore tho

smoky vale
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^

restive peak
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Pretty sure dinar gonna be 11.5

junior gale
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Next week

molten night
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velen doing the drive

fickle bluff
junior gale
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Velen top street racer of undermine

dense elbow
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Spongie army here to ruin my day

humble plover
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Velen can't drive. You see how he "parked" the exodar. The player didn't even make it all the way they crashed somewhere else

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Bro needs his license taken. Old bastard

dense elbow
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Ah Velen. The guy who did live through the whole Legion and demons sneaking into his people. Only to personally start the process anew.

fickle bluff
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peepostudy okay normal starts at 636

dense elbow
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Spongie army saves the day

young swan
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feel like it was normal before that

junior gale
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There was one tier tho I remember in DF where they tried LFR being the same ilvl as mythic next tier

humble plover
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Ok boys what excuse do I use to get out of normal only and get heroic tier?

fickle bluff
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idk but its gotten confusing since upgrade tracks

dense elbow
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Meh, gear doesnt really matter. We gonna farm m+ for Heroic Track and some will get gear from mythic

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Whatever is before that, doesnt matter

sly crane
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I cant belive blizzard is deleting warrior next patch

dense elbow
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RIP warrior 01.25-02.25

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FuryPushedDown.gif

devout totem
humble plover
tulip hare
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Wowhead has fury as S tier in raid, I guess we suck on DPS compared with Ret Pala enhancement sham things like that again in M+

dense elbow
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It aint as bad as it was. When I say that tho... I havent played with a ret yet critcake

sly crane
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good

dense elbow
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Maybe we still 5-10% behind ret still

tulip hare
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My Ret always did like 300k more overall was so sad xD

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1.5mil with my warrior roughly and 1.8 with ret

dense elbow
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Sounds about right

humble plover
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You know what I'll say what we're all thinking, they should nerf warrior more. We're going into the patch too confident

modest condor
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real

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another 10% nerf before the raid goes live

forest ginkgo
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I mean if the sims are real and true and accurate we defo need another nerf

dense elbow
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I rather we took a total of 15% nerf today, and got a 5% buff back up. Than another 5% nerf next week

forest ginkgo
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But i prayge we dont take another nerf

dense elbow
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When I see numbers decrease week by week, I get demotivated

forest ginkgo
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Well no matter what im sure we'll pull our weight

dense elbow
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If by that, you mean we can be carried without too big of an issue. Sure, that will be the case

humble plover
violet condor
red berry
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another 10% aura nerf imo

forest ginkgo
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Man u guys are dooming for no reason sadge

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Lets be positive

sly crane
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100% aura nerf

dense elbow
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100% aura nerf sounds fine

forest ginkgo
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Just remove us from the game

sly crane
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and remove leap/charge

topaz crag
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I think blizzard should just shoot and kill all warrior players

forest ginkgo
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Whoa whoa

red berry
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nerf every ability except for raging blow and bloodthirst

stiff sphinx
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Are we rerolling to ret or feral?

dense elbow
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Firemage

sly crane
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hunter

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but then that got nerfed too

restive peak
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Bro feral fr might take the enh spot

sly crane
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shaman it is

red berry
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im playing something called fury warrior

restive peak
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Insane dps, motw, brez

sly crane
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feral is furry warrior

dense elbow
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Oh you

red berry
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is feral strong in s2?

dense elbow
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Feral was strong in s1, even stronger in s2

forest ginkgo
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I will always be loyal to fury warrior

red berry
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i haven’t read anything

forest ginkgo
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THe funny thing is, i tried maining other things

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I never can though, not because im not good at the specs or classes. Just because im addicted to warrior in general

dense elbow
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Once you go Warrior, you always come back

forest ginkgo
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and especially fury

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Yes

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Its like warrior is my drug

topaz crag
gleaming talon
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Fury war deserves a 15% aoe nerf with a 15% single target buff

dense elbow
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Welcome to warrior, your stay will be long

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o/

topaz crag
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its pretty fun, very well may!!!

forest ginkgo
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Warrior makes you feel so free

dense elbow
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zugzug gladge

humble plover
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Oh the warrior youth

forest ginkgo
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I started playing warrior around legion, was really really bad

junior gale
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Fury gameplay is very satisfying just don't touch arms unless you want to suffer like me

forest ginkgo
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Got better and better

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and it just got more and more fun

radiant sentinel
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Arms was fun in legion

topaz crag
humble plover
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It is now

dense elbow
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This is old glory

stiff sphinx
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Warrior was my very first character… You will always go back to warrior 😅

humble plover
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It's a fantasy. Forgotten memory

forest ginkgo
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It is real

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But i didnt play seriously in legion

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i was a kiddo

topaz crag
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Legion classic in a few years

forest ginkgo
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like 16 or something idk

topaz crag
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look forward to it

forest ginkgo
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I had no clue wtf i was doing

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Then i got to bfa, got better and actually started raiding with a guild

junior gale
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Execute vid finally posted in the right channel for once what a surprise

dense elbow
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I cant wait to play Legion classic,only to be severely disapointed how dated it now is compared to retail

humble plover
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Brb gonna go watch it. Need it rn

forest ginkgo
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I mean its gonna be cool

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i heard artifact farming was cool

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eh eh eh

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I did hear that we are getting legion remix tho i think

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But idk

humble plover
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My favorite part of that video is you can just see him standing there Lazer focused jorkin his shit goin ham

hollow elk
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falling a sleep doing the same shit and getting nowere

topaz crag
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classic is in MoP soon. I don't think they'll do WoD classic, and if they do its going to be super quickly over with. So legion soonTM

junior gale
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TWW arms is indeed the most boring version of arms to date.

hollow elk
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cant wait till gladiator stance comes back so people cant stfu about it and stop using it immediately after.

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cuz it was terrible

modest condor
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give it the smf treatment keks

dense elbow
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ooo

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I like that

modest condor
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put it in the tree "because people want it" but make it intentionally weaker

junior gale
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Glad stance now a talent in the prot tree have fun

static loom
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Glad Stance was one of the greatest versions of DPS warrior

fickle bluff
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🗣️

fading sky
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And a 30% buff to warbringer

plush ice
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I loved glad stance

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It was great, you'd get into a pug, someone would complain that you were in a tank spec and should be kicked, adn then you'd double thier dmg

fading sky
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I disagree i think theres a huge variance

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Some classes get decent tuning

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Warriors tuning is always weird

frigid zealot
hollow elk
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critcake is streaming ptr. time to more nerfs

ocean hemlock
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anyone knows where critcake got his weakaura from? the warrior 1 in the middle of his screen

sly crane
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might have made it

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seems pretty basic

dull cloak
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he said it's a modet version from Khakhan, if i'm not mistaken

restive granite
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WoD and legion were peak class design

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for almost every class

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and WoD raids > all

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wod was so fucking good dude honestly

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ppl shit on it because of the selfie patch

fleet epoch
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antorus was THE patch for fury

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sad for anyone that didnt get to taste it

restive granite
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iirc smf had a purpose in WoD right? excute would hit stronger using that build and had a niche use, shit was so long ago im kinda not sure if i dreamt it or it was that way

echo stump
sullen dove
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Whereas last like 5 years almost no tier has lasted more than 5 or 6

frozen berry
# fleet epoch antorus was THE patch for fury

Idk, when dual spec first came along with Titans Grip in LK Fury was so strong that even with just blue weapons I got from a rep vendor I was doing so much dmg I was constantly dying from pulling aggro in Naxx and other raids. It got so silly that my raid leader had to constantly tell me 'Name, timeout!' and that was my que to stop all dps, turn around and spam the sit button till the tanks could get aggro back lol.

sullen dove
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imagine 1 rajd tier that lasts as long as 3 raid tiers

proud portal
summer crater
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Is that you

crude jewel
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Quick question, Arms or Fury next season? M+ wise

clever path
summer crater
sour frigate
crude jewel
feral ivy
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I’m at work and I cant see but have they updated bnet to the time of how long wow is going to be down Tuesday yet?

remote storm
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Apologies if this has been asked before:

When ticking "Mountain Thane" on the AoE portion of the Wowhead guide, You get this (Image)

Is the 17 to 20 a mistake? It ends at 16? So that means I completely ignore Raging Blow as it isn't anywhere else bar Crushing blow?

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oblique trail
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The only way I have it show up the same as you, is if I have both Slayer and Thane ticked, as well as both Anger Management and Reckless Abandon

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Both of these being mutually exclusive

remote storm
sullen dove
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d

clever belfry
frozen berry
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Wait...they nerfed arms and fury?!...why?!

sullen dove
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cuz they were really strong

dapper goblet
sullen dove
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3-4 consecutive buffs will do that

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(others are still stronger)

dapper goblet
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top 2 specs in the video game

sullen dove
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(blue man specifically)

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(8 shamans in on rwf kill)

junior gale
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back 2 back 20% buffs to core abillities really good who knew

dapper goblet
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meaning warrior is double better

frozen berry
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I must be behind cause last I saw we weren't top anything...

sullen dove
dapper goblet
sullen dove
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some baze statistics

dapper goblet
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read the book

sullen dove
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big fan of book

dapper goblet
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looking forward to critcake sandbagging the arthur tier list and putting warrior in b

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@mossy fox coward

mossy fox
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lmao

summer crater
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Give some thunderblast/clap buffs

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MTBGA

gloomy loom
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Ur trolling or u play an other game

pulsar quest
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@mossy fox you know what to do

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Your time to shine

radiant plank
mossy fox
restive peak
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Crit no

mossy fox
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lmao

fast mural
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arms nerfs confirmed

merry night
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crit fucked us

summer quail
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you rated fury too high

dense elbow
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Crit, ya better put fury in S tier

mossy fox
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bro the havoc definitely sandbagged

restive peak
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W/e at least he made sure arms gets cranked

merry night
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havoc in A is criminal

smoky wraith
dapper goblet
mossy fox
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wait the DK sandbagged

summer quail
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fury highest B or lowest A. high A too risky

vale reef
merry night
fast mural
#

watch enh being in A

calm island
#

idk why jedith is the havoc spokesperson should be shadarek

merry night
#

arms is gonna pump in raid tho

fast mural
#

until every boss has adds and we are gonna play fury anyway

humble plover
#

So far I'm seeing from this tier list is we need to play aug

frozen berry
#

every teir I've seen has Fury in like C, Arms in B or low A if I remember correctly 😦

merry night
#

M+ tier list

dense elbow
#

Hm? Fury usually A

#

Fury in S when?

merry night
#

idk if its ever gonna get there w the 5 target cap

dense elbow
#

Crit betrayed us

#

it was our chance

merry night
#

imagine blizzard actually nerfs base off that video tho

dense elbow
#

They prob will nerf us either way, just because

#

Doesnt matter if we are ahead or behind

#

nerfs will hit

merry night
#

trust we dont get nerfed 9 weeks straight

#

we're in a good spot rn atleast

summer crater
#

They see that people still play fury and that's really annoying

#

(that people play fury)

merry night
#

they want us to play arms

fast mural
#

good

#

time to play a real spec

dapper estuary
#

Its crazy they haven't tuned rally to a 5 man like they have with so many other abilities

fast mural
#

caus warrior is too strong

dapper estuary
#

Needs another 5% nerf atleast

merry night
fickle cedar
#

not touching arms with a stick okayge

quiet geyser
#

@mossy fox too ethical

remote yew
#

I say we put this channel on pause until the arms nerfs

#

then act like it never happened

frozen berry
#

Wait...why does Maximun have Arms in top teir and Fury at top of A?! o.O

radiant plank
#

Blame Critcake

hollow elk
#

why do these people make charts

junior gale
summer quail
hollow elk
#

cant they just do interesting streams instead of trying to get us nerfed

junior gale
#

why thing on chart high

flat river
feral ivy
#

I’m lost on tier list the ppl make it only play one class and only they play with only one group of ppl who only play one class how do they know who’s doing good or bad?

flat river
#

max doing dps tier list

restive peak
#

Eh the shaman was ethical

#

We respect that dude

summer quail
#

wordup owns

restive peak
#

Here comes the warlock sandbag whining though

#

LOL

#

"OH WE'RE SO BAD NEED 20% BUFFS"

#

stfu

junior gale
pulsar quest
#

Shaman was a good conversation

#

I liked that guy

restive peak
#

Meanwhile fuckin warlocks on beta are giga cranking

golden hare
#

prot c tier how can win

frozen berry
#

Crit watching Max's teir lsit lmao

pulsar quest
#

Crit was just on maxs tier list

frozen berry
#

"What is this?!' "Put Fury in go outsid or Walmart' LOL

#

Wait, who did Max have for warrior on Max's list?

dapper goblet
#

weird...warrior and shaman in s tier...

#

warriors wanna say shaman only s tier class..

#

weird..

dense elbow
dapper goblet
#

odd..

sour crown
#

Dudeee what is this sandbaging?

dense elbow
#

PTR is a silly place

restive peak
#

I mean like fr the BM and destro guys cannot be fuckin serious

#

LOL

mossy fox
#

bro i can't believe the sandbag

#

i rated ethically

dense elbow
#

BM did get slapped double, bugfix and the flat nerf. Seems fair to be a bit negative

sour crown
#

Kalamazi be like: “ destro is not doing 150% more damage than season 1 enhance so that mean its kinda TBC classic C tier”

restive peak
#

Crit you gotta know noone does

#

Lol

dense elbow
#

Crit sandbagged Fury, hero we deserve

restive peak
#

Only you and Wordup were honest so far lol

acoustic seal
#

Crit is like rorschach at the end of watchmen

summer quail
#

warrior and shaman both rated ethically. my 2 fav classes

#

it makes sense

junior gale
dense elbow
#

Ye, his logic seemed fair

restive peak
#

DH is S tier if enh/warr are my man

#

DH is also giga cranking

frozen berry
#

I missed the warrior part, I'll have to watch later when Max publishes it to YT.

acoustic seal
#

yea jedith notorious sandbagger when he shows up on the max tier list extravaganza

junior gale
#

they got a decent nerf with the bug fix

dapper goblet
restive peak
#

Xeos, we're S tier with you now boo

#

May as well come back

dense elbow
#

Crit just "execute dam matter?" ... "S++"

#

danderson the nerfs will be unreal

dapper goblet
dense elbow
#

Oh oh! They gonna nerf Execute dam!

dapper goblet
#

forced him to speak the truth

dense elbow
#

For all specs

winter shoal
#

His logs look like he's perma sandbagging

restive peak
proud portal
acoustic seal
#

I think because he makes yt videos

winter shoal
#

DH community down that bad huh

dense elbow
junior gale
modest condor
#

his first couple of times he was just going off of his chat was saying who to pick

acoustic seal
#

maybe avade can't show up and chat idk

modest condor
#

was very scary seeing chat trying to get him to do cautex for warriors

proud portal
modest condor
#

avade seems like the kind of guy who doesnt care about that kind of stuff

acoustic seal
#

yeah that's seems very likely

dapper goblet
#

cautex for yellow

restive peak
#

LOL

acoustic seal
#

Does havoc still have Kojiyama doing stuff for their apl and stuff?

summer quail
oblique trail
#

Shadowlands guides moment

#

Basically a guide maker that'd take stuff from Skyhold but still get info wrong or badly formulated

modest condor
#

he sometimes did his own testing which was usually wildly off

#

he made a list of best legendaries at some point and the best legendary wasnt even in his top 5

fast mural
#

also that 3.1 was before nerfs

radiant plank
modest condor
#

destro was B tier in s3 shadowlands

fast mural
#

who put it there

#

was it kalamazi aswell ?

radiant plank
#

yea

proud portal
fast mural
#

classic

restive peak
#

We are 2.9 after nerfs

#

Lol

pulsar quest
#

all things considered still good

fast mural
pulsar quest
#

realistically depending how the raid fights end up really being, i could see 2 warriors being brought here

junior gale
#

A tier fire

fast mural
#

warlocks just thing they are bad if they are not in the top 3

junior gale
proud portal
#

5 expansions now?

fast mural
#

meanwhile warriors have stockholm syndrome and are fine with being mid

winter shoal
#

Any raid testers that can comment on how RA vs AM might be with fight timings and downtime? RA sims like 1.5% behind but that assumes full uptime on pure patchwerk

high echo
fast mural
#

crit

whole yacht
restive peak
#

Destro in M+ on PTR is insanely fucking everyone

#

IDK shit about it's ST, I know chaos bolt sucks, but pretending they need a 20% aura buff is downright dumb as fuck

fast mural
#

i mean he did say they use rain of fire in ST so its gonna be insane in aoe keks

whole yacht
#

decently strong ST as well from what i eard.

high echo
#

i should watch

restive peak
#

Good, let's make them a deal; 20% off ROF, 20% onto chaos bolt+shadowburn

whole yacht
#

i think, nerf the damage on conflag, and incinerate, re-buff chaos bolt.

restive peak
#

Now they're better at ST and not busted elsewhere

dense elbow
#

Why not just nerf RoF till CB is the choice?

whole yacht
#

i miss the days where chaos bolt was your hardest hitting ability by a mile

dense elbow
#

I like that option

whole yacht
#

and when it was a dragons head

flat river
restive peak
#

HERE WE GO BOIS

#

TETTLES SAYIN THEY'RE C TIER

whole yacht
#

what?

#

destro?

restive peak
#

He's gonna be boomie/aug

whole yacht
#

ah

blissful hound
#

Why do people think destro should be higher

#

Or any wl spec

#

Destro excels at uncapped aoe and thats it

whole yacht
#

i think destro should be a good spec, for once in its life.

#

since mop

#

but im biased, i enjoy destro

blissful hound
#

Warlocks do complain for valid reasons

summer quail
#

crazy broken

whole yacht
#

i quit in s2

#

came back end of s4

summer quail
#

unfortunate

dense elbow
#

My experience of lock on PTR so far has been: They do so much dam, sooo much dam. BM levels of dam (prenerf)

blissful hound
#

Meh

whole yacht
blissful hound
#

Afaik their ST is pretty dog

fading sky
#

Wheres ret?

blissful hound
#

Not placed yet

winter shoal
blissful hound
#

Fair

#

Which there is plenty of in the new raid actually

dapper goblet
#

@restive peak

blissful hound
#

Personally I still wouldnt be happy about using RoF in ST tho keks

restive peak
#

Hahahahaahaha

fading sky
#

Thx crit

#

Warrior is cooked

#

Placing arms in s+

rare garnet
#

wasnt he saying warlocks specs are like 2,3 and doing tank damage? makes sense they need buffs

radiant plank
#

he said destro simming 2.9

#

xff

fading sky
#

Same as us?

radiant plank
fading sky
#

After nerfs

fast mural
#

he said arms is doing 3.1 so warlock needs aura buffs

#

unironically

fading sky
#

Arms does 2.9. Now

fast mural
#

ye keks

fading sky
#

Sadge

fast mural
#

nah thats good

radiant plank
#

closer to 3milly than 2.9 now

#

after a little bit of tinkering

fast mural
#

we dont want to be best

fading sky
#

But classic warlock

#

Agreed

fast mural
#

we dont have enh plot armor

fading sky
#

Ia dangerous being this close to blueman

rare garnet
#

the way he kept talking i thought he was gonna rank warlocks at like C tier, then hes like, eh, maybe upper b i guess

fast mural
#

every major warrior character died in the lore

#

warriors dont have any plot armor

fading sky
#

So almost same st. But their aoe superior?

fast mural
#

ye

summer quail
fading sky
fast mural
fading sky
#

Mby he thinks b is for bis?

fast mural
#

also that wasnt because of the warrior but the druid axe

iron portal
#

It was warrior who cut through hordes of demons , and not once

fast mural
#

still died

frozen berry
#

Tbf, it's kinda hard to 'rate' lore characters by classes, as so many of them are multiclass. Like Anduin is a priest, pally, warrior multiclass.

rare garnet
#

why didnt they get mass rezzed, are they stupid

dense elbow
#

Anduin has shown warrior traits?

fast mural
#

he is no longer warrior

#

i dont think we have any left

rare garnet
#

thrall XD

fast mural
#

lmao

iron portal
fast mural
iron portal
#

In lore being warrior doesnt exclude you from being other classes

#

Ofc that doesnt translate to game mechanics

fast mural
#

everybody starts as warrior i guess

rare garnet
#

everyone does 1 rank of warrior multiclass to wear plate as a caster

dense elbow
#

Mage goes into the libary: Warrior

iron portal
#

But there are pure warrior characters in lore

dense elbow
#

Guy prays: Warrior

#

Evokers are all warriors tho

#

Even Aug

iron portal
#

Just cause they got nerfed?

fast mural
#

so this is why warrior wont get BL cause there are already warriors who have it

dense elbow
#

Nah, cause they got created to be the ultimate warriors and yadayada

sour frigate
fast mural
#

5 big booms means 5 big nerfs okayge

honest sundial
#

thanks for the upcoming nerfs Crit ...

iron portal
#

@honest sundial
Baby dont hurt me

dense elbow
#

Execute base dam nerfed for all specs, Slayer nodes nerfed, Spear crit bonus nerfed to 10%, Avatar reduced to 10% all specs and...
Pftz, slam buffed 50%

honest sundial
lapis shadow
cursive flower
#

ok maybe not in mythic raid, but top 5 usually

#

in m+ is also easy to use, and if we have good tank who know how to play around infernal and pulls accordingly, our aoe damage really gets big

blissful hound
#

How is that relevant for how it should be placed in a tier list?

cursive flower
#

i mean easiness and simplicity of use sure would affect placement lol

#

and we do the damage

#

idk what else to tell you lol

blissful hound
#

With that logic tier list would be even more irrelevant than they already are because they would look the same every time

#

Most of the time the easiness does not matter

rare garnet
#

crit changing warrior ranks

#

lets go

blissful hound
#

Its usually about actual strength

dense elbow
#

Crit making changes O_O

#

Fury going into S?

rare garnet
dapper goblet
#

@mossy fox blow up

cursive flower
#

then is good then? my warlock usually are within the top dps when i bring to raids, and i have never get rejected with my guildies or friends for dps. Thats what im probably going to play in s2 too

dapper goblet
#

you make me sick

radiant plank
#

Folded like paper

dense elbow
#

Nooooooooooooo! CRIT YOU KILLED US

junior gale
#

Arms saved

dense elbow
#

WE WERE THE PUG META

#

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

cursive flower
dense elbow
#

Oh THE HUmANITyyy

mossy fox
blissful hound
restive peak
sour frigate
#

TIER LISTS HYPE LESGO

mossy fox
#

the other spec rankings are not real bro

fast mural
#

tbf everyone else was scared to be put there so that makes sense

sour frigate
#

MAKE BALLS

dapper goblet
#

not a single person other than shaman has balls

#

blow up

nimble ermine
#

warrior is omega broken

restive peak
#

Shamans busted big time confirmed

dapper goblet
#

NOT in minecraft

sour frigate
restive peak
#

Xeos mad confirmed

dense elbow
#

Crit you cward >:((

remote bobcat
#

@mossy fox you shilled warr too much bro

south kayak
rare garnet
#

now the lock is going to amend theirs to go outside tier

#

thanks crit

south kayak
#

They stayed top the entire season

restive peak
#

Crit is correct based on this fire mage/BM/Havoc in A tier bullshit tho fr

rare garnet
#

true

cursive flower
#

Critical got buffed?

mossy fox
#

arms cannot be in top tier if top tier is reserved for meta in raid and M+

dense elbow
#

MgDark, Crit is ^ that guy

#

he did a tierlist

#

and we memeing on that

cursive flower
#

a

restive peak
high echo
dapper goblet
remote bobcat
south kayak
#

All spell casters are professional sandbaggers

fast mural
frozen berry
#

Isn't Kalamazi known for lowballing locks to say the least?

dapper goblet
#

crit is now at the bottom with baze

#

on the xeos shit list

rare garnet
#

warrior cant be top tier until varian gets reenchanted

restive peak
south kayak
dense elbow
#

Crit hurt our public perception tho sadge
We were OPOP must pick

high echo
south kayak
#

They’re not going to be the best anymore

rare garnet
south kayak
#

Nah they’re good

restive peak
#

Locks are not weak

south kayak
#

He’s smoking crack

modest condor
#

destro is probably the best dps in m+

dense elbow
high echo
restive peak
#

He said they need an aura buff because they sim 2.9...we sim 2.9, and they do far better uncapped AOE

#

So yeah

south kayak
restive peak
#

If he believes that, he believes our nerf yesterday was unjustified (not true)

south kayak
#

The shamelessness

cursive flower
fast mural
#

he said they sim worse than arms

#

to be clear

sour crown
high echo
#

They cried cried because chaos bolt simmed %2 less dps on ST than rain

sour crown
#

Kalamazi when they ask about locks

restive peak
#

Destro locks literally throw a fit if they aren't S++ tier every tier

frozen berry
#

Target capping is anti-fun anyways...

dapper goblet
high echo
restive peak
south kayak
high echo
south kayak
#

Soft cap rain of fire, you cowards

dense elbow
#

Nerf RoF 80%, buff CB 30%, fixed

south kayak
#

Watch destro drop off when they soft cap rof to 8 or 5 targets

cursive flower
south kayak
#

Gonna be a good day

frozen berry
south kayak
#

Nerf that then

#

Simple

dense elbow
cursive flower
south kayak
#

It’s already pretty strong and shouldn’t be that strong

cursive flower
#

because for some reason blizzard just doesnt wants to give us both, so we have to choose

dense elbow
#

No worries, I dont play warlock, I warrior. All I know is that locks are far from bad

dapper goblet
dense elbow
#

they are BM levels of good

#

pre-nerf BM

south kayak
summer quail
cursive flower
#

inferno buffs rain of fire. But Cataclysm is a aoe spell that applies immolations (withers in this case), adds a very strong DOT. Rain of Fire is actually a filler

south kayak
summer quail
south kayak
#

I wonder why destroy is so good for m+

#

It’s not that much different from now

#

I mean currently to ptr

fast mural
#

destro is in B tier no way its good

#

wdym

dense elbow
cursive flower
#

just a different way to play it, you either places the dots manually and spam RoF or you forego RoF for easier placement of dots. Cataclysm works even better in lower keys because it haves much more burst

dense elbow
#

This is fair - but our point is: Warlock aint bad
It is strong

cursive flower
#

im really debating where i should start as lock or warrior at season start 😦

dense elbow
#

Critcake under fire!

cursive flower
#

lock is fine, but warrior have tank privilege

dense elbow
frozen berry
#

LMAO

south kayak
#

I think if you’re deliberately lying to get your spec not nerfed or buffed, you should get -5% damage nerf every time you lie

rare garnet
#

shots fired

south kayak
#

Only fair

blissful hound
#

Even if arms deserved to be in the s tier, unlike sham we have to worry about nerfs lol

vernal laurel
#

@mossy fox You did the right thing, dont let yourself be bullied by filthy shammy players

cursive flower
dense elbow
#

=_= k

south kayak
fast mural
#

enh player realised he fucked up and getting nerfed now

cursive flower
#

although is rare to find a warlock that actually places their cookies and stone without being told xD

blissful hound
#

warlocks are rare in general

south kayak
#

No one’s getting buffed or nerfed based on some tier list lol

#

It’s based on actual data

latent matrix
dapper goblet
south kayak
#

What warlocks are doing is insane

#

Compared to anything we do

#

And it’s fine if it’s warrior

#

I’m biased

fast mural
south kayak
#

Fuck it

dapper goblet
brazen sinew
#

5 big booms for Crit IMO

celest night
south kayak
#

What is wordup doing here

#

Sus

radiant plank
south kayak
#

True and real

modest condor
#

crit should have moved fury up to 5 booms instead of arms down

mossy fox
thick fossil
#

lol

mossy fox
#

also people are sandbagging man

celest night
#

there's definitely some er, CONSERVATIVE rankings yes lmao

south kayak
#

I feel like you’re not gonna be worried too much when your spec was the best dps spec for entirety of season (enha), whereas we didn’t even get a week of owning without getting nerfed 3 weeks in a row

#

It is what it is

bitter palm
#

pussies

thick fossil
#

Of course they are. That's how Elemental went untouched.

bitter palm
#

sandbagging numbers in a video game

#

🎦

celest night
sour frigate
fast mural
#

why not just put every spec in A

sour frigate
#

also dooming about my spec

fast mural
#

what a tierlist

bitter palm
#

i just want arms to be insane in raid this tier

south kayak
bitter palm
#

last time it was insane was 9.1

celest night
#

is what it is

south kayak
#

That tier list is straight up wrong because people who come in there actually don’t want it to be accurate

#

Most at least

celest night
#

blizz will do what it wants regardless of this as proved by all the previous tier lists

modest condor
#

that's what makes it fun

bitter palm
#

probably gonna get shot cause of the execute bosses and fury will catch some too for no reason

#

like arms did this patch

fast mural
#

im just gonna wait for the dratnos tierlist for accuracy

south kayak
#

Yeah blizzard doesn’t look at random tierlists to tune

bitter palm
dense elbow
#

Nah, tierlists is what decide their datapoints

bitter palm
#

a surprising number of people trust these tierlists

open prairie
#

heroic andies maybe

fast mural
cursive flower
#

yeah i know, but tierlist mentality is a thing

bitter palm
#

yeah im talking about m+

south kayak
#

Yeah why do you think tier lists get clicks or views ??

open prairie
#

yeah its called playing with friends

cursive flower
open prairie
#

also ele was sleeper af this season

#

idk why everyone was complaining about enh

fast mural
#

cause no one played ele

#

not alot of ST fights

celest night
#

because if you complain really loud about the other spec people won't notice how good you are

#

smart plays

south kayak
#

2 dps specs from the same class being top 2 dps is actually insane

#

To me

open prairie
#

like ele is way easier

#

than enh of a spec

south kayak
#

I main enha anyway

cursive flower
south kayak
#

And I’m still saying these things lol

frozen berry
#

enhance is APM crazy when you start the procs rolling.

bitter palm
#

let arms be s tier in raid blizz 🙏

#

i want to rip in execute again

open prairie
#

eh

cursive flower
#

i kinda wish we get shaman tank spec /s

frozen berry
#

Same Mgdark

open prairie
#

i dont think enh is more apm heavy than outlaw ever was

#

even during pi+lust

bitter palm
#

ogcd abuser chatting

south kayak
cursive flower
#

yeah good shamans are very useful

open prairie
#

idk i dont even think any spec in wow

#

is very high apm

odd cipher
#

i kinda miss df elementalist enha

open prairie
#

play osu if you want to spam

cursive flower
marble schooner
#

what was the last time Fury was giga good? I play since late BFA so i wouldnt know

frozen berry
#

Enhance you're often waiting on the gcd so you can push the buttons that are lighting up all over lol, it's often like wachk a mole on speed

open prairie
#

gm sounds like a boomer

#

skill issue

dense elbow
south kayak
#

@celest night do you prefer totemic or SB for next season

frozen berry
marble schooner
celest night
south kayak
#

I love spamming lava lash after putting down totem

celest night
#

totemic is hilarious in aoe (when you don't rip threat and get flattened)

bitter palm
open prairie
#

i dont even get what refunds maelstrom on totemic

frozen berry
bitter palm
#

define giga good

south kayak
marble schooner
# bitter palm 10.2

hmmm I remember Fury being very good for M+ and kinda so-so for Raid no? or am I tripping

bitter palm
#

fury was near the top

south kayak
#

It’s 8 seconds right?

open prairie
#

i mean you’re not playing warrior dps correctly

bitter palm
#

it was the other way

open prairie
#

if you dont get flattened due to threat

#

at least once per season

marble schooner
bitter palm
marble schooner
#

like meta af for raid and M+

#

like Enh this tier

bitter palm
#

arms was not m+ meta

open prairie
#

m+ is a joke

bitter palm
#

but it was turbo meta in raid

open prairie
#

play fotm or play with friends

south kayak
open prairie
#

if you actually care about that meme game mode

bitter palm
celest night
south kayak
open prairie
#

Yellow

#

because raid

south kayak
celest night
#

aoe flametongue from windfury

south kayak
#

Oh okay

open prairie
#

idk im debuff bot

#

lil bro

#

i hit the boss to give a poor man’s devo aura

south kayak
mossy fox
#

ret S tier confirmed again

frozen berry
#

lol

junior gale
#

Ret S tier

marble schooner
south kayak
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Why is ret up there

junior gale
radiant plank
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as per tradition

open prairie
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idk spriest isnt bad

marble schooner
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it feels like ass more like being strictly bad

wind torrent
south kayak
marble schooner
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like you mess up Shadow crash and you are a bot for the rest of the pull

tidal veldt
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.....

open prairie
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that doesnt mean a spec is bad

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not every spec needs to be ret paladin levels of mouthbreather

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idk spriest players cry almost as much as lock players

young swan
# mossy fox

did we get bumped down by executive decision or did u change ur answer

radiant plank
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and changed answer

young swan
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oh i see

marble schooner
high echo
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Spec like arms can never be in the same tier as enh

marble schooner
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for the record I dont think easy=fun or hard=unfun

open prairie
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Sounds like skill issue

high echo
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Unless enh is in the gutter

open prairie
dapper goblet
marble schooner
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unnecesarily punishing = unfun imo

open prairie
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play pre legion ww