fury

[winter shoal]

For raid or for M+?

For raid it's pretty simply just your percentile

[royal copper]

Both…

[winter shoal]

So a 99 means you did damage in the 99th percentile of all people of that spec

Note that distributions are extremely skewed, so the difference between 95 and 99 is roughly the same as the difference between 75 and 90

M+ parses are a little different but I'm raiding so can't type it all xdd

[royal copper]

I’m more curious about the mdn

[winter shoal]

There's probs docs on the WCL site for it

[royal copper]

These numbers says it all - how are they calculated?

[thick fossil]

Rank is kinda close to my raiser io rank.

[oblique trail]

No offense, but you've many times struggled to understand and perform the rotation for Fury, so going as far as to say that parsing in raid isn't that difficult, is a bit silly isn't it

[royal copper]

I’ve played other classes too. And yes I do struggle with warrior fury spec, ironically.

[oblique trail]

M+ parses by comparison are very easy to achieve, because they are based simply on the key level you did, and how many of your spec did said key and how you compared to an extent

If you do just ok then you'll easily have an orange average or higher in m+

As for the median, it's not a true median, but more like a median average from what I remember

[thick fossil]

Kinda curious how they calculated the rank though.

[royal copper]

Same - that’s why I’m asking

[royal copper]

I’m at work atm so can’t check - do Warcraft logs tell us about the calculation here?

[thick fossil]

I'm 254 dps warrior for all regions. So that's kinda close to the logs rank. Might be something in there related.

[royal copper]

• only thing I’ve been told is median that says it all by m+ 17 group. But I’ve always asked myself “what are the numbers behind?”

[oblique trail]

I genuinely don't know the deeper details of how they calculate m+ logs, however they are rarely ever taken serious by anyone in general because they're primarily just a "did you clear this key level" more so than your performance typically

[royal copper]

Hmm I got ya…

[covert blaze]

peak comedy

[royal copper]

Read the context

[covert blaze]

i did

[dense elbow]

Logs for m+ is only really valuable to sort out boosties from boosters in your weekly keys.
Score indicates little.
Grey Vs pink parses avgs do

[royal copper]

Good 👍 then you should know what these numbers means by details..

[covert blaze]

i know what the numbers mean

[royal copper]

Explain 🙂

[covert blaze]

lol

[modest condor]

we all know healing to tanks by ilvl is the real metric

[muted star]

wouldnt a boosted that did a 17 and did no damage still get a 99 log?

[royal copper]

I, Banezi and Osaliske would like to know.. were curious

[oblique trail]

I don't

[royal copper]

Maybe not - but you do not know the details

[winter shoal]

Found this post from 2016, no idea if it's still accurate

[oblique trail]

M+ logs only really matter to such a tiny tiny subset of people

[covert blaze]

m+ logs dont matter period

people care about io

[dense elbow]

Don't look at key parse, look at damage done. There are multiple data points to look at.
Higher the key, less data points and less valuable it will be for sorting.
Not many boosties at 17, compared to 10

[summer quail]

are you memeing?

[oblique trail]

I should clarify by logs I mean actual logs of a run, and not the parse it gives you

The parse is genuinely irrelevant

[royal copper]

Read the context

[covert blaze]

ICANT

[summer quail]

i did read the context

[royal copper]

Perfect - please clarify these numbers 🙂‍↕️

[modest condor]

m+ logs teach you that you can't use a defensive when the projectile on the last boss in siege of boralus is in the air

[dense elbow]

Just pop dstance when the overlap happens, cost of a miniscule amount of DPS to be safer, always worth

[summer quail]

yea... you have to be memeing. there's just no shot

[covert blaze]

Read the context

[royal copper]

What does these numbers mean? 🤣

How are they calculated.. please explain

[modest condor]

sure if you're a warrior doing casual keys

[summer quail]

[royal copper]

@summer quail @covert blaze

[dense elbow]

That is your median DPS, m+ values higher keys more, if that is what you are wondering about?

[modest condor]

if you're doing +18s with a rogue in your group and the rogue gets 1shot because they pressed feint while the projectile was in the air it's gonna feel pretty bad

[winter shoal]

I don't think anyone in here knows the exact method for calculating M+ parses tbh, if you ask in the WCL discord they could probably point you in the right direction. My understanding from Kihra's (the person who created WCL) post in 2016 is that the parse is essentially a key-level-weighted allstars, which means that effectively just doing higher level keys will give you a high parse regardless of your damage

[compact knot]

its parsed by points you got in the dungeon rather than dps

or io rating

[sullen dove]

context of what they were just talkin about you saying "raid parses arent hard"

which is silly lol

[dense elbow]

Sword, read the context

[sullen dove]

ma fault

[royal copper]

My point is - how can you say they’re are good if you don’t know the numbers behind

[sullen dove]

raid logs actually are much easier to understand the meaning of

theres only 1 raid boss for every difficulty

not a ton of diff key levels

if you get an 88 on a mythic boss you did more damage than 88% of other ppl on your spec

point blank

done and dusted

[slim coral]

[junior gale]

ok but read the context swordish

[sullen dove]

whereas what parse u get on a key has a ton of other random shit goin on

[dense elbow]

You looking at a irrelevant system, it is just there. Sort by other data points and go for what you looking for
We got Rio for just "how ai do compared to other key doers"

[dense elbow]

Arguably m+ is just a more complex raid encounter

[royal copper]

BINGO!!!

[dense elbow]

Why I got bingo?

[slim coral]

I hope this is sarcasm

from you both

[dense elbow]

You did not talk about that at all

[sullen dove]

love to hear what godking baze thinks raid parses are

[slim coral]

Parsing in m+ is a joke

[sullen dove]

if not that

or if im not included in the "you both" then carry on

[slim coral]

I'm alluding to this BINGO!!!!

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-zeuss-zeuss-world-heartstopworkshop-bingo-gif-25700105

[slim coral]

I hope the bingo was sarcasm

[dense elbow]

I got a bingo, you just jelly

[winter shoal]

M+ only andys saying M+ is harder than raid, raid only andys saying raid is harder than M+

thinking emoji

[dense elbow]

We know the truth, PvP is the hardest

[winter shoal]

Mickey mouse game mode

[dense elbow]

[royal copper]

DPS and deaths on mobs doesn’t affect these numbers?
• Only the boss fight and abilities used?

And completion time..

[dense elbow]

The key score is as far as I know just based on time. Prob with a weird bell or whistle.
It is pointless data to look at.
Use raider.io for that. Logs is great for checking what went wrong, and ego boost yourself checking Vs avg DPS
(As you almost 100% of the time get served a 99%)

If you are doing 1.5m and the avg DPS on that key level for your spec is 1.7, you can take from it that you or your team was inefficient. But that is kinda as far as it goes as an overview

The level of depth you got to go into to pull out data from m+ like this... Just go again in an actual key to improve

[winter shoal]

tbh you're probably right but pvp is for nerds so

[dense elbow]

Players are on avg worse than most NPCs at this game, as such PvE is harder

[feral ivy]

1st time doing court and we finally got to ring phase... i HATE this phase i thought i hated intermission

[winter shoal]

the area directly under boss is safe

you can usually sneak in there if you need

[ornate sable]

Got 6/8 mythic fuck ya :)
I appreciate all of you answering my questions when I'm clueless :P

[winter shoal]

or just step out

[winter shoal]

[summer quail]

the whole fight just kinda sucks

[ashen socket]

Yo

so

reclear queen

right

I keep

leaping over the ring

and its hitting me

[sudden tusk]

spacebar jump

[ashen socket]

never happened on the prog/kill

[sudden tusk]

before you leap

[ashen socket]

I know

[whole yacht]

youre not doing it right then.

[sullen dove]

just krill issue perhaps

[sudden tusk]

might also be taking a bad angle

[sullen dove]

aiming equal distance away from ring as youre starting right

[sudden tusk]

if the angle is too far

you can clip it still

[summer quail]

are you leaping onto the like trails behind it? coz that will clip you

[ashen socket]

Nah

Same way I have been leaping since prog

w/e

just gonna take portal

cringe af

[summer quail]

at the same time as well?

[ashen socket]

Ya of course

Not like there is room to change where I am leaping there lol

[compact knot]

YESS

[ashen socket]

Grats

[compact knot]

first ce

[winter shoal]

[summer quail]

definetely doing something different. i leapt it on our kill today

[ashen socket]

its w/e

just wanted to make sure

it wasnt like

fixed

if its just a skill issue

thats fine

[summer quail]

gzzz

[ashen socket]

Mad that I am now playing worse

zzzzz

[compact knot]

you guys just got it too right

[summer quail]

yuh

[compact knot]

CINEMA

[summer quail]

on one of my worst pulls, as is tradition

[compact knot]

yeah i actually did no damage

the last like 30 seconds of the fight

i was doing portal markers because we cant figure it out

[smoky vale]

gz habibi

[winter shoal]

That's a funny lookin warrior

[compact knot]

im going back next tier

[slim coral]

This is a mage pov

delete this right now

[compact knot]

its arcane though so its the based spec imo

fire and frost is cringe

[junior gale]

theres nothing to fix thats how the fight is designed

[summer quail]

did you get the mount tho?

[compact knot]

no

i got noting, no good dropped

well

[summer quail]

yea we got real shit loot as well. 2 shields and cloth gear

[compact knot]

the ring dropped but its bad for me

[ashen socket]

Thats

No fucking shit

Thats why I was asking

Making sure blizz didnt do an oopsie again

[summer quail]

tbf i did die on one my leaps today and i thought i was fine. then the next one i lived

[junior gale]

idk man get good land your leaps

[ashen socket]

Mind not

Meat riding?

ty

I got that when I was told it was fine

[junior gale]

why you so angry man

you really are a fury warrior

[ashen socket]

Duh

If you are not mad while playing warrior

you aren't playing warrior

[junior gale]

so true

[whole yacht]

bro cant leap correctly, and is mad at us about it, sadge 😦

[junior gale]

its even more of a dps increase than your transmog

[sly crane]

always mad when I look at the dps meter

[ashen socket]

No lol

[winter shoal]

I heard there were complaints of meat riding?

Can I get some of that in my direction pls

[ashen socket]

I am mad about the fact that

I am not hitting my leaps

On the rekill

but I was flawless

on all of prog

[winter shoal]

I'm just fucking with you bud

[ashen socket]

No not you

replying to a post up

[winter shoal]

I believe they're also fucking with you

[ashen socket]

Oh yeah for sure

I just got it up the ass rn

mad af

Our tank

on platform 2

tilting me too

bdk and isnt stacking shit

[junior gale]

bdk not stacking on platform id be mad too

[ashen socket]

Just DA and he is good

and he

just doesnt

its

[junior gale]

our bdk swapped to druid so now I gotta deal with spiders never stacking with adds

[ashen socket]

ugh

[junior gale]

just pad and follow the spiders

[runic pine]

[summer quail]

gzz

[runic pine]

❤️

[covert blaze]

reported for magus

[ornate prism]

Hi, folks! Is there any proper skill for making one-button macro with Treacherous Transmitter?

I've been using Khardros in CDs with one-button macro. I'm trying to use Transmitter instead..

[summer quail]

do not macro transmitter

very bad

might as well play another trinket if you're gonna macro it

[ornate prism]

Yes.. there are many stuff to do for newb... forgot many moments to use it haha

All the rankers on the 7th boss's table use transmitter

I will try without macro

Thx

[summer quail]

yea it's by far our best trinket. if you haven't already, get a weakaura that tells you what to do when you pop it. "jump" "collect"

and remember it will always spawn to your right

[ornate prism]

Noted. I will check in Wago

It's not applied if I do the actions before pulling, isn't it?

[summer quail]

it is

[edgy widget]

in front of you to the right, diagonally

[summer quail]

correct

[ornate prism]

Gotya

[edgy widget]

but yeah, as he said you wanna use it early instead of macroing, so that you have time to do the minigame and get your buff as you go into cooldowns - not wasting 1/3 of your CDs jumping or whatever

that's the whole reason it's stronger than Mark, is because it requires you to do some bullshit before getting the benefit, whereas Mark is completely automatic

[ornate prism]

Yes, if I have mythic level Mark or Skarmorak, I have no concerns at all, but I got heroic versions only..

Unfortunately, I got the mythic transmitter yesterday, and difficult to use existing macro with

Anyway I will try sole button for transmitter 🙂 Thanks, guys

[summer quail]

you will get used to it

[ornate prism]

Only for 3 weeks....

[summer quail]

you say that, but good chance you will play transmitter decently far into the next season.

[ornate prism]

Correct

Do you know which bracelets will be BIS in the next season?

I briefly checked, but there's no proper one for 1.5minutes cooltime

[junior gale]

do you mean trinkets?

[summer quail]

bracelets? you mean trinkets? there is only one 1.5m trinket in the raid

[ornate prism]

Sorry trinkeets

I see. I have to get used to transmitter.

[junior gale]

you dont have to use transmitter if you dont want too

but its not that bad to get used to and use

[sinful spoke]

Literally everything for that trinkets spawns to the front right of ur character

And the orb moves to the right as well

[flat river]

Haven't opened my vault yet but i killed ky'veza

Transmitter? :O

[past cedar]

Hey guys! just got the Fyralath axe from Amidrassil, how is the quest chain done these days? any skips i should know about? or fast ways to get it? ❤️ Thanks in advance

[flat river]

No fast ways

It took me 12 hours

Good luck soldier

[dense elbow]

Enjoy the axe when you finally get it

[past cedar]

are you for real? xd

then i actually wont do it xd

[flat river]

It's time gated by superblooms

[ornate prism]

One more question from newb 🙂
I will join a regular team for 2nd season raid, and the leader said me to prepare switching to Arms as well.
Is there any boss Arms has advantages than Fury in Undermine?

Difficult to experience PTR here..

[radiant plank]

🔮

Could be the case you play arms on every boss

[dense elbow]

When it comes to matters of Arms, if Walhe can't say nuffin', there is nothing to dig up

Arms ded

[sudden tusk]

bosses are pretty coded towards arms with high impact execute phases

as well as cleave is so spread out that its hard to get good cleave value on some bosses

[dense elbow]

Fury Execute isnt that shabby, especially with BT being even a larger portion of our dam tho - no?

[sudden tusk]

arms execute is still higher damage

but its only really important for like mugzee who has a stacking damage done below 40%

and who knows what galy looks like

[dense elbow]

This pleases me. I hope and pray you are correct about it being arms meta

[sudden tusk]

i mean i say that

but if fury ST doesnt get nerfed...

who knows

[radiant plank]

Fury ST smokes arms rn btw

(in sims)

[dense elbow]

RIP Fury, I guess - nerfed cause of raid, again, left to bleed out in m+ in the gutter

[radiant plank]

But fury sims also smoke like 99% of the specs in ST sims

[sudden tusk]

the real trick

is to get buffed in the .5 patch

so you get to be overpowered for 4 months

[junior gale]

actually true

[dense elbow]

I honestly just want to have fun from the get go instead

This season has been long enough with being trash tier already. I take my 2 weeks of OP, then nerf, if that is how it must work.

Luckily, Fury aint OP in m+
So, pray it is shit in raid

[young swan]

if you want to be best in m+, start praying for a rework

only way its ever happening

[dense elbow]

No need to be best

just want to be alright

[mossy fox]

current fury cant be meta in m+

[young swan]

when hasnt fury been alright in m+ since df talents

[radiant plank]

current fury cant be meta

[mossy fox]

but with ptr tuning it's as close as it'll ever be

[young swan]

s1 df maybe?

[mossy fox]

s1 df 10.0.5 it was pretty decent yeah

[radiant plank]

start of s2 fury

[mossy fox]

S2 df before aug was prolly its best state

[radiant plank]

before aug release

[mossy fox]

ya

S2 SL was also good

[young swan]

yeah but when was the worst

[mossy fox]

hey maybe s2 is always best

[young swan]

post df talents

[radiant plank]

its written in the stars

season 2 is fury season

[young swan]

i think it was s1 df pre-10.0.5

[mossy fox]

S3 was probably one of the weaker ones for high keys

it was the "strong short burst followed by nothing" problem there too

[young swan]

but would you say fury was still "alright" or "decent"

i think I would

[dense elbow]

We could do a 10, no problem

so we fine

[young swan]

i dont think theres been a time since s1 SL where fury wasnt acceptable

[mossy fox]

alright to decent is our norm

[dense elbow]

I just want a season where the classes that bring more utility, also dont bring more damage. I am hybrid tax enjoyer.

[mossy fox]

chose the wrong class for that

we all chose the wrong class for m+ but at least we get to play warrior

[dense elbow]

I just pray and hope we dont get nerfed cause raid, again.

[sudden tusk]

Safeguard 2025

[mossy fox]

i didnt see any raid bosses we own on but i also didnt look that far

[oblique trail]

If preliminary sims are anything to go by, we'll get nerfed just straight up due to the state of our spec, not because of raid

[dense elbow]

Just pray everyone sandbag week 1, so we dont get hit by the outrage of the community

If we top in HC raid, we doomed, even if it doesnt translate to higher content.

[ornate prism]

Is this Critcake the Critcake?

[radiant plank]

No

[young swan]

yes

[radiant plank]

its a fanboy

[oblique trail]

It's Critcake the non-Critcake

[young swan]

sorry i lie for fun

[junior gale]

Fanboy Critcake

100%

[radiant plank]

https://tenor.com/view/we-do-a-little-trolling-misinformation-toji-no-miko-kaoru-mashiko-gif-24078541

xan

[dense elbow]

It is Crit's biggest fanboy, and Crit. Both are true.

[ornate prism]

@.@

[young swan]

theres no HC week

[radiant plank]

You can still top in HC raid

[dense elbow]

[young swan]

its not going to be the exact same as this tier

[radiant plank]

without HC week

[young swan]

no HC week is dumb as shit tho

[radiant plank]

yeap

[sudden tusk]

14 specs going after the same wep very fun

[dense elbow]

I really dont care, I just want to go into M+

[sudden tusk]

best in slots is gonna be a nightmare to get

[dense elbow]

No sweat, we getting dinars

[junior gale]

there is hope with dinars

[young swan]

u guys didnt see

[sudden tusk]

i dont know why

but im dooming

[young swan]

bonus rolls may be making a come back

[sudden tusk]

on the "dinars"

[radiant plank]

Saw that

[junior gale]

Bonus rolls

[sudden tusk]

yeah imagine the bonus rolls are the dinars no thans

[radiant plank]

Very cool blizzard

[dense elbow]

Who cares about bonus rolls? I gotta raid to get to spend em

[young swan]

i dont think we're getting dinar

if we have bonus rolls

[radiant plank]

monkeys paw

[young swan]

and vice versa

its one or the other

[radiant plank]

Why not both

[young swan]

blizzard

[dense elbow]

Then give dinars, if it is "one or the other"

[radiant plank]

we already spend 2/3rds of season upgrading gear

[junior gale]

Dinars are def far better than bonus rolls

[young swan]

well yeah obviously

guaranteed piece of loot > maybe piece of loot

[dense elbow]

You mean "ap or gold"

[young swan]

but which do u think is more likely

[lapis shadow]

Aa a slot machine myself I disagree... Gambling yummy

[young swan]

personally, the second I saw that bonus roll screenshot i assumed dinar got shot in the head

[sudden tusk]

i mean Best in slots and Eye of kezan were probably gonna be the dinar items

for 60% of the playerbase at least

[young swan]

they probably were scared about the power of dinar and were like "what if we just do bonus rolls again"

which i would be cool with

I think for a reg season bonus rolls are way more reasonable than dinar

[dense elbow]

Define reasonable

[sudden tusk]

like if 2 is too much at least give us one

[young swan]

i mean bonus rolls are insane

targeted extra loot chance is cracked

[dense elbow]

For raiders, filling their team? Sure

[young swan]

no one cares about m+

[dense elbow]

For myself, an individual?

[sudden tusk]

if bonus rolls guarenteed very rare then maybe

[dense elbow]

It is shit compared to dinars

[young swan]

if u want the best gear in the game then do the content for it

[fallen pivot]

Why do some fury warriors drop ravager in M+?

Like they arent using it at all

Does it depend on the dungeon/comp?

[flat river]

?

[dense elbow]

Cause they use bladestorm?

[oblique trail]

What does some mean

[fallen pivot]

No they dont have either talented

[sudden tusk]

gimme a link

[dense elbow]

Link, I need to see that

[radiant plank]

Asking too much buddy

[fallen pivot]

https://raider.io/characters/us/zuljin/Noxiv?season=season-tww-1 this guy in his ara kara for his 18 doesnt have either talented

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/fury/mountain-thane/DAOAUVBRFQmEVKSUFBANVVEFUZUVRaBQQCRQEVVVUCEQ

[sudden tusk]

what are you talking about

[restive granite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1326809946997919805.webp?size=96&animated=true

[fallen pivot]

oh I am

mixing 2 up

[dense elbow]

No worries, happens

[fallen pivot]

Odyn's fury

[sudden tusk]

its okay we all goober

[fallen pivot]

I meant odyn's fury

[dense elbow]

Odyn's is dead, sadly

[oblique trail]

Of is replaced by 2x Vicious

For more ST/Prio

[radiant plank]

odyns is ddeadge

[dense elbow]

been dead for a long time :(

[fallen pivot]

ah it's for more ST

[sudden tusk]

odyns is terrible and locked behind a really bad 2 point node

[fallen pivot]

Gotcha

Sorry about that, thought that was ravager

lmao

[young swan]

apparently

[dense elbow]

Had us riled up there for a sec, but all good

[fallen pivot]

Honestly OF always felt kinda mid to press

[sudden tusk]

idk the one thing im really not happy about in M+

is fury basically requires a triple dps comp

[radiant plank]

Every wow player deserves the same amount of loot and ilvl regardless of how much effort they put in

[flat river]

No

[fallen pivot]

yeah fury doesnt pair well with aug 😦

[flat river]

It's based on their effort

[restive granite]

welfare andies are now in wow too

[sudden tusk]

idk i think one of the things blizzard tried to do with season 1 and why there are so many casters

[restive granite]

cashing out my tax money

[flat river]

If someone doesn't do mythic raid or +10 keys he doesn't deserve mythic gear

[young swan]

baffles me how entitled m+ players are

[dapper goblet]

madox for yellow

[sudden tusk]

is they really wanted to limit the amount of mobs you should pull

[young swan]

genuinely insane

[fallen pivot]

It's cause they nerfed all the melee specs

lmao

[sudden tusk]

which would have balanced the playing field

[fallen pivot]

Fury got hit with 4 nerfs in a row

[radiant plank]

Equinox is 100% the worst offender who speaks about loot publically

[sudden tusk]

but instead you just play aug with PI and explode a 3 pull every 2 minutes

[radiant plank]

His takes are baffling

[sudden tusk]

and just never deal with the issue

[flat river]

2 of them was before mythic+ came out

[fallen pivot]

EXACTLY

[oblique trail]

I think it's more than just his takes about loot that might be baffling

[young swan]

ur telling me a terminally online former league pro has dogshit takes?

shocker

[radiant plank]

No, the monster spitting was reasonable

[radiant plank]

Equinox was league pro??

[oblique trail]

I think you should consider being locked up

[fallen pivot]

Anyway, ty for the help! Im gearing my warrior the next few weeks to help with splits for my guild

Any M+ tips besides learning spell reflect cheese?

[radiant plank]

you just jealous

[young swan]

thats what ive heard

[dense elbow]

Enjoy yer splits, Stormy. Reflect sheet and WA is in protection pins

[fallen pivot]

👌

[radiant plank]

holy moly

[young swan]

madox was in that key

[fallen pivot]

Gonna just spam M+ until Im 630

[sudden tusk]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[fallen pivot]

Slayer is dogwater in M+ right?

Like actual trash tier?

[lapis shadow]

Cheesed to meet you

[dense elbow]

No, it aint Stormy

[sudden tusk]

they are both perfectly fine

[flat river]

No

[fallen pivot]

o

[sudden tusk]

thane is just better in high keys

[fallen pivot]

so doesnt really matter in the 7-10 range?

[dense elbow]

Not one bit

[young swan]

nah

[fallen pivot]

👍

[radiant plank]

hgad to be under different username cuz I can only find a guy called Ju Yeong-Min who has ever used Equinox as their pro tage

[clever belfry]

banezi awake???

[oblique trail]

I have sadly been awake the past almost 4 hours

[fallen pivot]

Does war still get more mainstat for having more armor?

[oblique trail]

yes

[fallen pivot]

kk

ty all

[radiant plank]

Zorthas tierlist time soon :alert:

[sudden tusk]

idk the funny thing is. when packs dont die literally instantly to double boomkin incarn and enhance shaman or frost dk breath

[dense elbow]

Fury better be S tier

[sudden tusk]

an extended pull actually warrior does quite well

[clever belfry]

aid

[sudden tusk]

but the issue is based on design your tank just explodes after running through defensives

[oblique trail]

sorry my brain just hates me and wishes harm upon me (being awake after 4 hours of sleep)

[dense elbow]

Intervene the tank, be the hero

warrior utility

[radiant plank]

my parry haste

i will dbts intervene the tank

[sudden tusk]

i mean if arms wasnt completely hamstrung by taking endurance over wild strikes

it would be fine

but that spec is just -10% stam rn becuase of how auto attack based it is

[clever belfry]

hamstring reference???

[radiant plank]

arms has more HP than dk's on ptr

[sudden tusk]

good

[summer quail]

We remove aug. Simple as that

[dense elbow]

Warriors get WotN when?

[summer quail]

[clever belfry]

aug is just a dps now guys

[sudden tusk]

still going to be busted op

[clever belfry]

Not for the reasons it is now, tho

[sudden tusk]

becuase for it to not be busted op blizzard would have to literally put it 6 feet under for casuals

and thats not happening

well the reasons it is now is also going away with the amount of tank busters removed

[dense elbow]

Aug is better the bigger the diff is on the DPS it boosts, making the ones behind even worse.
Warrior should aug ppl aswell

[sudden tusk]

so its just a better dps

[summer quail]

Is it? Aug discord says alot of its damage will still come from buffing others

[radiant plank]

aug discord lies

[clever belfry]

The reason aug is good in keys is cause it buffs ur tank and healer

[jade cipher]

critcake was playing anger management with big enrage and spear in dungeon and doing decent damage

[clever belfry]

They no longer buff them in any relevant fashion

[jade cipher]

i hope that doesnt become our build

[clever belfry]

bad news buddy

[radiant plank]

very bad news

[sudden tusk]

they decided to kill Thunderous roar

[summer quail]

I have news for you

[sudden tusk]

enjoy your 1 dogshit capstone

[dense elbow]

Dont worry, just pick Roar like I do. Then shake your fist to the sky, complaining about your low DPS

[radiant plank]

roar with no capstones

so hard

[dense elbow]

Need capstones, to buff OF to have barely more value than 1 raging blow

[jade cipher]

i got no problem playing any build on warrior its just that in the end when dust settles its only a game and i would like to enjoy it eventually

[summer quail]

Tbf AM frenzied is prob not that far behind. Spear is set in Stone tho

[radiant plank]

time to reroll

nobody plays warrrior for enjoyment

[dense elbow]

Set in stone; till they do the retuning of our dam profile

[jade cipher]

i really enjoyed fury this season

[keen dove]

Ra gone?

[jade cipher]

hated arms tho

like wtf is this arms

[dense elbow]

Ask the arms enjoyers lurking in here

[summer quail]

Hot garbage. Thats what

[radiant plank]

arms is piece of shit

[clever belfry]

loboz build

[sudden tusk]

i certainly like doing 5 globals of setup just to get into my rotation yuppers

[jade cipher]

roar and odyn fury is life

wish it was playable even with less damage

[lost saffron]

Cabussy

[radiant plank]

2% behind

[jade cipher]

but they killed of so hard

[clever belfry]

loboz build

@warm crag thoughts on loboz build

[summer quail]

Odyns kinda meh on live as well

[dense elbow]

It will be ok for your weekly 10s, and I will prob manage to get it pushed into midrange keys.
OF lives

[jade cipher]

up to 16 its decent

i was thinking about reckless abandon slayer

is that with spear aswell?

[dense elbow]

Yarps; reason spear is so good, is because it is a raw dam mod - while Roar is just mediocre dam and a buff on DoTs that has long since lost out in value

[jade cipher]

but spear range is so cringe

[dense elbow]

You get the buff, not the mobs hit, so dont worry about it too much

[jade cipher]

they changed it?

its a debuff on enemies now

[dense elbow]

Do I misremember? Was pretty sure they made not connected to the tether.
Either way, spear aint fun to play - just enforced by numbers; and you can ignore numbers

[fallen pivot]

I thunderclap on cd in aoe as mountain thane right?

[jade cipher]

you had to stay in the ring before, now its debuff on enemies

but you have to hit most mobs with it

[dense elbow]

I will take your word on it. Sounds clunky enough to be true

[sour frigate]

Thunder blast yes thunderclap as if u use ww

[fallen pivot]

kk

[oblique trail]

That's exactly the change they made

To make you have to hit them with the Spear instead

[dense elbow]

Sure, in my head it just made more sense to turn it into a character buff

[sudden tusk]

you have to hit them instead of be in the zone

[jade cipher]

they need to make mark for death into character buff asap

honestly

[flat river]

I missed boss with spear so many times

[jade cipher]

wtf is this mechanic

[dense elbow]

@player Gala, not cursor

[flat river]

It's bad both ways

Can't it be @target

[dense elbow]

[jade cipher]

FUck spear

[dense elbow]

PvP strikes again

[flat river]

Like how they made earthquake and SP AoE ball @target

[dense elbow]

Ye, but they casters

They need that help

Have you seen how casters play?

[flat river]

Fuck that

[flat river]

I don't care

[dense elbow]

Nah, you need to grant them that.

No question

[flat river]

Have you seen how unfun warrior has been lately

[dense elbow]

I have fun on my warrior

[jade cipher]

how much is reckless abandon behind AM? and isnt AM Cd reduction clunky with spear?

[flat river]

Me too but not as much fun as i did in DF

[dense elbow]

For Slayer? It is what 2%?
If you do M+, just rememebr to sync OF and BS with 3x stacks

You can also take 45 sec roar, for even more window dam

[summer quail]

Why would it be clunky with spear?

[radiant plank]

on ptr or?

[dense elbow]

I prefer TWW Fury over DF, and I prefer PTR Fury over this season's.
Problem is the profile tuning

[summer quail]

You just send. Our basic abilities do so much on ptr

[jade cipher]

does it line up or you have to wait and shit

[flat river]

I prefer TWW fury too, but im not having as much as i was in DF

[dense elbow]

That is more likely the situation around the game, more than the gameplay

Ya getting older

It is downhill from here on

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/savingprivateryan-ww2-old-soldier-matt-damon-gif-4203998

[summer quail]

Always lines up with avatar which grants free reck. Bladestorm is more rng

[dense elbow]

"I remember when Odyn's Fury did more damage than a Raging Blow"

👴

[jade cipher]

talking thane. you have to have ravager with it right

[dense elbow]

Have to, is a strong way to put it. But ye, Rav is good with Thane

[jade cipher]

i mean hve your ravager with spear

with frenzied enrage it lines up. with big enrange havent played yet

[dense elbow]

It all lines up, more or less, dont worry about it

[summer quail]

Yea ravager always with thane. But havent tested any thane m+ ptr myself

[jade cipher]

my biggest worry is how its painful to play while not being anywhere near something like enhancement

[dense elbow]

In what way, DPS output or playstyle?

[fast mural]

Powerful enrage

[dense elbow]

Buffs OF

[jade cipher]

dps. i played some spear this season and the worst thing about it was the range

specially in dungeons like Nw

roar hits many more targets

[dense elbow]

Well, we are all about the prio damage either way

[fast mural]

OF is getting needed t the first chance they get

[dense elbow]

and you will hit prio target with spear

[jade cipher]

not having any aoe spells is crinimial tho

[dense elbow]

Phone, with autocorrect on? :P

[fast mural]

Yes

[sour frigate]

As a ww monk player i approve

[fast mural]

It doest know nerfed

[dense elbow]

Worst part is, my phone goes back to correct it as I send

Well, maybe it is right. OF isnt nerfed. It is needed

[fast mural]

I don't mind OF being dogshit I don't like the button that gets me aggro on everything around me within 1 gcd

[dense elbow]

Sounds like a you problem that, smh

Well, now you safe from that danger

[sour frigate]

Skill issue crit more

[dense elbow]

🫡

OF should grant 5 stacks of SS Then it can be an empowered builder

[radiant plank]

Sounds alot like tenderize

[dense elbow]

nahh

[sour frigate]

tenderize angle?

[covert blaze]

uhhh hello, based department?

[golden hare]

hello

[covert blaze]

[sour frigate]

[golden hare]

[flat river]

Bloodcraze should be tied to rampage

Execute should also give Slaughtering Striker

And our cds need to be buffed

And we back on track

[surreal lynx]

are there any vendors that sell those m+ gear crates that you can send to alts?

[flat river]

Yeah

There is one next to panda lady

[surreal lynx]

okay nice thank you

[river reef]

[edgy oasis]

question: when simming - will the equip proc? wondering if the craft 636 neck is better

[sour frigate]

Yes

636 neck has more stats than 626+ some 500 proc

[gleaming siren]

It only gives you the proc but healer lives dont matter so

[radiant plank]

New tierlist dropped guys

[dense elbow]

Fury not S?

Fake

Get out

[frigid cipher]

new tierlist!!

[mossy fox]

[radiant plank]

🤝

[sour frigate]

[earnest canyon]

move warrior to S and everything else to E and then wait 5mins for the game to update

[fading sky]

ok

i admit it

Fury with spear in low keys ( like a 10)

is fucking funn

spear into a bladestorm

is fun

[radiant plank]

otherway around

[fading sky]

?

ye

ofc

i mean i spear then i bladestorm

i cant do both at the same time

^_^

still managed bout 1.92 overall in a mists

not horrid tbh

prob better than with roar coz shit never lives

[radiant plank]

no i mean

bladestorm into spear

[fading sky]

why?

in aoe ?

[radiant plank]

idk

[fading sky]

seems like a bad move 😄

it was fun dmg was good coz u 100% can snipe most small packs from any1 else

😄

[granite crown]

Smells like a week 1 nerf in next patch, unlucky

[fading sky]

haha

i mean 100% we should play our slowest bleedy bleed talents

• this spec 100% does not work in a 10 if we had like 610 as 10s are supposed to be done in ?:D

[earnest canyon]

dumbo question, but what ways do warriors have to break roots? Apart from avatar that seems a huge waste of a cd

[granite crown]

dw there'll be a warlock doing 12 mil dps at 610 for fun

[radiant plank]

avatar

some roots you can pre spellreflect

like ansurek and the cot last boss

[granite crown]

Charge in Slayer

[earnest canyon]

this was it, thanks....couldnt see it

[granite crown]

Or wait, does it work? It was used for Ovi'nax thingy, but that was just a slow for first hit

[shut tusk]

Bladestorm

Breaks roots

[earnest canyon]

yeah but mine is always on CD cos im an idiot 😛

thanks guys, thats 3 ways, 4 if you reflect too

i always felt heroic leap should break them too

not sure if it used to in the past

[void vault]

who made that tier list how trustable it is?

and ofc when they were putting warriors to C rank they again said "warriors lack utility"　right?

[frigid cipher]

i did, just to show how easy it is to fake information :)

i put 0 thought into it

[void vault]

oh thank god i am legit about to headbut the first ytuber that says "warriors lack utility, they bring nothing to the group".

[unreal onyx]

I love tierlists, they are the most accurate representation for the game

[radiant plank]

idk guys

zorthas is pretty reliable guy

[unreal onyx]

Bradley too

[frigid cipher]

for sure

10/10

[unreal onyx]

Why do you discredit him for his tierlist

[thin spear]

Hello, anybody got a link to a meatcleaver wa?

[earnest canyon]

I just use Luxthos WA package but it maybe too much if u just want to track MC

[dense elbow]

Just play Thane, and clap when clap is available

[earnest canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/shia-labeouf-clapping-theatre-gif-15313749163340250467

[flat river]

OOOOH

[earnest canyon]

huge, grats

[flat river]

mythic track mandate

[dense elbow]

Gz

[mossy fox]

did zorthas make that list you posted

[radiant plank]

Yes

[mossy fox]

nice

[frank dune]

Hi, totally noob 80 here, I checked warcraftlogs and archon and they seem to differ in the most popular spec. One has Odyn's Fury and one does not. What do you guys recommed for casual m+ ?

[golden kiln]

Odyn’s Fury below 10s, swap to the other build (bloodthirst execute dam) above 10s

[frank dune]

Thaks for the advice 👍

[dense fulcrum]

hello, one stupid question, is there a way to quickly cast/position the spear skill and ravager? i waste a lot of time in some cases trying to cast it perfectly and i lose the flow of the rota

[frank dune]

@Cursor macro

[high echo]

#showtooltip
/cast [@cursor] Champion's Spear

something like this would let you cast it where your mouse is

[dense fulcrum]

perfect! thank you 🙂 will try that

@cursor is better than @player ?

[undone flower]

At least you can aim yes

[dense fulcrum]

thanks 🙂

[golden kiln]

until the very rare ceiling chandelier spear @Shadowlands

[shut tusk]

What's the non OF build?

[golden kiln]

Head to murlok.io for a good representation of the high end m+ build

there's still a few who go either slayer or odyn's fury, but the majority talent into bloodthirst execute

[shut tusk]

Ok I was advised in the past to avoid things like murlok io

[golden kiln]

it works until it doesn't I guess

like some classes, following the most popular talents might only work if you choose other talents to make a build work

just select mountain thane, then view the spec/class talents

we don't have enough utility options to change up based on the dungeon as well

so war isn't too bad on murlok.io for m+

[hazy cedar]

Onlyfans build best build

[shut tusk]

Shows me this

[golden kiln]

damn maybe shit changed since I last looked

[chrome plover]

the number indicates how many of the top 50 are using each talent

[shut tusk]

Ye, so 45

Menas OF it's still the best?

[golden kiln]

wait what are you looking at

I only see 16 using OF

[shut tusk]

Fury warrior M+

[chrome plover]

probably looking specifically at slayer

[golden kiln]

yea you're right

I mean yea slayer works if you wanna send slayer

it'll be better on boss dam

but mountain thane cranks in m+

[shut tusk]

Im not a fan of MT to be honest

[golden kiln]

fair enough

[shut tusk]

Don't like the electric theme

I would play enh if I wanted to be electric

[golden kiln]

yea bro send the slayer then, the aoe burst goes hard too

[chrome plover]

based

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-thor-infinity-war-gif-25139201

Mountain Thane.

[shut tusk]

That's eng

Enh

Mountain thane is like little baby pikachu

Next to enhancement

[thick fossil]

Lol

[hazy cedar]

Mountain thane is cringe

[thick fossil]

Fair

[golden kiln]

yea peak thor feels more like stormbringer enh sadly

[chrome plover]

most things are like a little baby next to enhancement rn

[golden kiln]

real

but even just visually

[shut tusk]

Pretty much, but having the same theme but worse just feels bad man

[golden kiln]

enhance get so much lightning compared to us

[thick fossil]

Which is dumb, I hate all ranged melee classes.

[shut tusk]

Exactly

[thick fossil]

Cringe is Slayer gambling on procs for damage.

[shut tusk]

It's like ok let's give you a theme that is a watered down and weaker version of another spec

[golden kiln]

tbf fury feels like a watered down spec in general

[shut tusk]

😦

[thick fossil]

Not wrong.

[chrome plover]

ngl slayer barely feels like gambling compared to enhance too

on enhance sometimes my opener is 4m sometimes it's 8m

[golden kiln]

I do hope warriors see a significant talent tree rework some time in the future

idc about tuning

[shut tusk]

Fury should lean more into like fire and things like that

[golden kiln]

we just feel unfun

[thick fossil]

Totemic or stormbringer?

[golden kiln]

bring back 100% crit battle cry and do some theme shit that makes our rage boil so hot that we chain fire everywhere

[chrome plover]

stormbringer moreso but both really

[golden kiln]

literally melee fire mage

[shut tusk]

Would play

[earnest canyon]

I havent played enchance for years, but doesnt it have so many buttons currently you literally need a razer naga and a dancemat combined to play it?

[golden kiln]

enhance gamba is so fun though

it isn't even too bad too rn

[chrome plover]

not really

[thick fossil]

Then we'd just be closer to DH. With immo aura.

[golden kiln]

there's a lot of rng, but a lot of it doesn't impact rotation

it's just rng that impacts damage mostly

[chrome plover]

that's the worst kind of rng imo

[earnest canyon]

i tried it on and off over the years, but I just missed the double WF crit you got from classic and how simple it was

[golden kiln]

there's so much that it evens out though

[chrome plover]

but luckily when you low roll you're still top damage

[golden kiln]

like statistically you can't really expect perfect rng ever for enhance

[earnest canyon]

is it very high APM?

[golden kiln]

not as much as fury I believe

if you run 15% haste enrage talent

[dense elbow]

You should see for yourself, test it out

[thick fossil]

It's still gcd locked.

[earnest canyon]

fury is manageable to me.....outlaw is just impossible

[undone flower]

APM is high if you have a lot of off gcd, you have around the same gcd on every spec

[shut tusk]

Outlaw is crazy

[golden kiln]

outlaw doesn't feel as bad as it used to

outlaw felt sluggish compared to previous iterations

[shut tusk]

The problem I have with Outlaw is not the APM, but the split second constant decision-making

[earnest canyon]

its taken me 6months to finally give warrior a go as I had to spend 15mins binding the abilities and getting a wa..... ill do enhance in another 6months lol

[shut tusk]

At least fury is like 2 buttons

[thick fossil]

They basically dumbed enhance down a lot. Compared to DF enhance.

[golden kiln]

yea you need to treat 7-9 seconds left on a CD as next GCD to counter that feeling on outlaw

[earnest canyon]

i simply cant play it, it breaks my hands

[thick fossil]

It's not Ret dumb but getting there.

[golden kiln]

fair

[undone flower]

Logs cpm are not apms

[golden kiln]

I'm a zoomer so outlaw is awesome to me haha

[earnest canyon]

fair....its nice to have options!

[undone flower]

Ret has all his auto procs counted as cast in logs

[chrome plover]

it only differs slightly for some specs

pretty sure enhance doesnt

and that's what im looking at

i know bm and paladins for example get giga cpm on logs

[shut tusk]

I could play outlaw in a game with no mechanics, but not in M+

[golden kiln]

some apm can be misleading too

[shut tusk]

Can't focus on mechanics and that rotation

[golden kiln]

like both prot war and prot pally have off GCD resource dumps

[sour frigate]

https://simulationcraft.org/reports/TWW1_Raid.html

Check apm there

[chrome plover]

that shows up on cpm and cpm

[golden kiln]

so ignore pain and stuff for prot war doesn't count?

[undone flower]

Most tanks have higher apms just because off gcds

[chrome plover]

it will be on both apm and cpm

[sour frigate]

Cpm is not apm

[golden kiln]

hmm

[shut tusk]

Dafuq is Cpm

[sour frigate]

Clicks per min

[undone flower]

Only blizzard server knows your apm

[chrome plover]

casts per minute

is cpm

[undone flower]

Cpm is cast per minute

[shut tusk]

What's the difference between that and Apm

[golden kiln]

which of the 2 only count your binds being pressed?

[undone flower]

Button press on keyboard

Per minute

[chrome plover]

some abilities do multiple casts

so bm hunter presses kill command and a talent casts some pet shit

[shut tusk]

Ah ok

[chrome plover]

so every time they kc it's +1 to apm but +2 to cpm

[shut tusk]

So apm is what matters

[chrome plover]

ye

[golden kiln]

ok so apm is still the correct one anyways whenever people talk about these kinds of things

[ember narwhal]

Ig it could also make a difference if you say press your Reck macro and it also casts Avatar?

[undone flower]

Like the reverberations talent counts as 2 casts

[shut tusk]

I think no spec can compete with outlaw in cpm, they have 0.8 sec gcd

[golden kiln]

yea

[shut tusk]

I mean

Apm

[golden kiln]

sometimes apm can feel worse based on the rotation though

outlaw is a very basic rotation, just fast

[earnest canyon]

I think this is why its so painful to me....kinda sad as its a fun spec and the class fantasy is great

[golden kiln]

but combine fast apm with fast decision making, and that's much harder

[chrome plover]

yeah exactly that's 1 action but you can have pot/reck/avatar/trinket and it counts as 4 casts

[shut tusk]

It has too many conditionals IMO. I was playing KIR and found it hard to keep it with everything plus the dungeon mechanics

[undone flower]

So apm is mostly dictated by your gcd (most dps plays only on gcds with just cds off)

[shut tusk]

And cast time if you're a caster

[golden kiln]

As much as I hate WAs solving the game for you, WAs are your best friend for outlaw

[ember narwhal]

Until we get another corruption style season and can get 0.75s gcd at high uptime on other specs c:

[earnest canyon]

i sorta wish outlaw had some talent that removed some of the button presses for a bit of dps loss....like idk, some ability does a dot or something, or more damage to auto attacks

[undone flower]

That’s why melee has slightly more apm

[shut tusk]

Wow

Prot beats outlaw

Wtf

[golden kiln]

you'd probably like sometime similar to what fury has now where we pick between 15% haste or 15% damage on enrage, where you can swap between the 0.8 GCD part of outlaw with flat damage potentially

[chrome plover]

yeah prot pala spams sotr which is off gcd

[golden kiln]

ignore pain smashing though, barely compares imo

[shut tusk]

Fire mage also is quite fast

[ember narwhal]

It has, but a fair bit you can also automate with weakauras if you like. Like not even necessarily needing a premade pack, just like.. e.g. disable default Pistol Shot glow and make your own with the logic built in.
Still a fair bit though, yeah.

[chrome plover]

fire mage has almost no hard castingn ow

[shut tusk]

With fire blast off gcd

[ember narwhal]

Fire Mages in shambles in 2 weeks.

"what is this bar when I press my spell?"

[golden kiln]

man fire pre rework in DF with high haste was a bit of a nightmare before they dumbed it down

[earnest canyon]

yeah exactly....loads of damage is fun and its nice to top the meters, but i dont do mythic raids and its more about class fantasy and fun....outlaw really falls off if you arent hitting your buttons

[modest hollow]

do we replace Sacbrood with Skarmorak shard? both 639

[shut tusk]

Why not both

[earnest canyon]

i would just sim it mate

[undone flower]

🤖 🤖 🤖

[golden kiln]

what's the 3rd trinket you're hiding here

if it's transmittor, don't use a 2nd on use

[shut tusk]

Transmitter I guess

[modest hollow]

yes

[golden kiln]

at the same time, fuck transmittor

[undone flower]

Fuck transmitter

[earnest canyon]

oh yeah thats when sims are bad....2x on use is too big brain

[shut tusk]

Yeah sim it, but I would say one on use and one passive

[chrome plover]

just use sacbrood + transmitter, unless you hate transmitter then swap it for shard (transmitter is better)

[modest hollow]

its a nightmare sometimes

[golden kiln]

it wouldn't even sim well, your 2nd trinket would just be weak when 1 is lining up with CDs perfectly

[chrome plover]

but if you miss a transmitter or die for it, obviously it's worse than shard

[golden kiln]

man I hate how transmittor is just unreasonably strong compared to other equal ilvl on use trinkets lol

love seeing my lil orb float off the platform in GB

[chrome plover]

gotta aim that shit

[earnest canyon]

ive had it, at least on hunter, where it recommended 2x on use and id rather have a passive and active....not sure how bad/good it is for warrior....still learning this class

[golden kiln]

or a stand still platform on queen in p1

[shut tusk]

Transmitter is easy, especially on something like fury

[golden kiln]

yea with other classes it could work, but fury just guns it for a 90 sec trinket for our CDs, then never a 2nd

[chrome plover]

it's good for some classes that have a big 30s or 1 min cd so they can line up nicely

[golden kiln]

unless the other trinket is pure damage

[earnest canyon]

yeah this makes sense

[golden kiln]

like if mandate hit hard enough, you'd just send it on CD

[shut tusk]

It works on San layn unholy, since your windows are 45 seconds

You have one trinket every window

But fury I don't think so

[golden kiln]

if furys damage was heavily focused into our CD window, and we went anger management slayer with a huge 45 window, I could see 2 on use maybe simming well

since our 45 second window is just 90 without avatar, but reck would proc avatar anyways

[earnest canyon]

im simple, so I just like a trinket I macro with the big CD and thats that lol

[golden kiln]

real

[shut tusk]

I miss anger management. I feel like I have the improved strike and BT all the time anyway

[golden kiln]

yea man

[shut tusk]

With rampage proccing them

[golden kiln]

anger management makes fury imo

I feel lost without it

[undone flower]

When anger management reduce avatar ????

[golden kiln]

I'd love it to be a more mandatory talent, with RA fighting with something else instead

[shut tusk]

Is it really such a loss to play it rn?

[ember narwhal]

AM looked good on ptr, didn't it? (not that necessarily means much bc stuff changes every week, plus stealth tuning lmao)

[golden kiln]

I'd go crazy for a spear CDR with anger management tbh

[golden kiln]

for m+ yea, ST looks like slayer RA

I don't mind that outcome

ST RA doesn't feel bad

[shut tusk]

Fuck it, turn us into outlaw, anger management reduce all CDs of the class, even defensives

[ember narwhal]

Unluck
But also kinda nice both see play

[golden kiln]

crazy

I've been prepping enhance for a main swap, and the lack of defensives make me appreciate what we have a LOT

• we're getting 10% extra health next season lol

[shut tusk]

I'm currently making unholy. dK just feels immortal

[earnest canyon]

wait what? What ability/talent does that?

[undone flower]

Im still in the transition of spec for guild comp, idk if i will play evoker, rogue or stay on my warriors for raid

[shut tusk]

The armor one

[golden kiln]

our 10% health talent is unpickable rn

but it's being moved out of the capstone area

[earnest canyon]

oh it gives damage and health?

[shut tusk]

Next patch

[golden kiln]

I think it's middle right of the tree next patch

[shut tusk]

It will give 10% armor and health

[golden kiln]

compared to fighting with secondary stats

[undone flower]

2 weeks you will have 10% more health

[golden kiln]

so basically

if any fury dies

with 10% enrage DR

spell reflect

dstance