Yes
#fury
wild mural
high echo
It's alright it seems
wild mural
high echo
Needs rework
high echo
The fuck is this
wild mural
A true gamer
radiant plank
syis dmf dream
wild mural
It’s the dagger spec SMF meta
eternal sundial
sour frigate
The fuck ajhajhahjaah
wild mural
nimble ermine
radiant plank
Cropped out the good part
clever path
lament otter
Are you looking for CE guild?
slim coral
Cropped out the good part
I already did my splits this week
hollow elk
Wonder what flavor is that.. probly strawberry
slim coral
radiant plank
I already did my splits this week
Same
Only one split
Retired now to be main warrior in tmys guild 
eternal sundial
Retired now to be main warrior in tmys guild <a:chatting:1266019851743399996>
philwar WR acenscion hack
chinese piloting strategy
shao hong shu
radiant plank
cause then you have nothing else to do all week
idk im enjoying casually clearing hc pugs with my alts
and a key or two sometimes
clever path
Are you looking for CE guild?
CE guild ? Looking for buyer..
lament otter
We’re not CE, but we’re looking for a warrior 
radiant plank
We’re not CE, but we’re looking for a warrior <:okayge:917646812519739433>
perfect for zen
eternal sundial
zen is a früchtchen we say in germany
lament otter
I don’t speak German
clever path
why
eternal sundial
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/88891401
ooh he unprivated
lament otter
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/88891401
Na or EU?
eternal sundial
eu
slim coral
idk im enjoying casually clearing hc pugs with my alts
That's fair to each their own!
radiant plank
eu
radiant plank
also you must have very high morale if you aim for CE but are progging court still
eternal sundial
@radiant plankdo i have to go fix this surely not right
like its bad but does it mattter
eternal sundial
man i havent done a bit of content in 3 months
idk if i can even pink with 632 no ring xdd
slim coral
also you must have very high morale if you aim for CE but are progging court sti...
he will get it!
Bad mindset from wahle
lament otter
also you must have very high morale if you aim for CE but are progging court sti...
Pretty sure it’s down Thursday, but yeah I don’t think we’ll get queen before s1 ends
lament otter
Has the date for s2 been revealed yet?
eternal sundial
Should i fix this
yes its shit
warm crag
Hello!
radiant plank
Has the date for s2 been revealed yet?
no but its prolly gonna be patch before february ends
and season starts 1 week after that
lament otter
Likely yeah
radiant plank
yes its shit
Good thing this is the only boss holding me back
eternal sundial
@radiant plankwhat if i play my vvalhe casually
eternal sundial
Good thing this is the only boss holding me back
shit boss btw
radiant plank
shit boss btw
adds dont count btw
radiant plank
<@865605822638063647>what if i play my vvalhe casually
play play
eternal sundial
adds dont count btw
still horrible
slim coral
Should i fix this
You got me beat by 3
inner shadow
Are you looking for CE guild?
ye
warm crag
You got me beat by 3
can you make the screenshot smaller and less meaningful please
eternal sundial
You got me beat by 3
is this your main or
radiant plank
Not even pink
not sure how you sim so high.. as your gear isnt much diff from mine, also... your mythic logs.. was this boosted or did you play?
lapis shadow
During intermission of Ansurek, where is your position on first pull?
oblique trail
During intermission of Ansurek, where is your position on first pull?
In ranged
I leap out to them at 2 sec left of the cast
radiant plank
ER on standing in shit bladestorming
lapis shadow
Not in acid close to ranged?
oblique trail
Why would you stay there on the first pullin
warm crag
why would you stand in acid on the first pull
eternal sundial
pipi kakcka
lament otter
Healer parse 
radiant plank
You got me beat by 3
Thats my alt
lapis shadow
Cause I feel so dumb
lapis shadow
Exsctly
oblique trail
The first you just take natty with the ranged
inner shadow
Good thing this is the only boss holding me back
at 0.5% take off one weapon 
oblique trail
Pop SR/Def stance to be sure
warm crag
leap onto a squishy low hp ranged ideally
oblique trail
Since even the first does hurt
slim coral
Thats my alt
Yeah same bro
clever belfry
leap onto a squishy low hp ranged ideally
eh theyll get one tick of aoe max
it dont matter
lapis shadow
leap onto a squishy low hp ranged ideally
Healers parse
warm crag
it does matter if you noob
radiant plank
Yeah same bro <a:chatting:1266019851743399996>
my main looks like this
clever belfry
hmm no u
oblique trail
An 
a
lapis shadow
@oblique trail do you drop avatar with the BS?
oblique trail
no
oblique trail
You use OF with BS
lapis shadow
Keep it for shield guy p2?
junior gale
You fix queen by playing arms
lapis shadow
You use OF with BS
Right
slim coral
You fix queen by playing arms
lapis shadow
Appreciate the help!
oblique trail
What I do is OF + BS in intermission, OF first platform as you land, rest of your CDs on 2nd platform, OF again on 3rd platform
If your group isn't omega pushing, you'll have your CDs ready again for 1st adds in P3
lament otter
Hc?
radiant plank
Looks mystic
inner shadow
@eternal sundial im joining u soon
warm crag
What I do is OF + BS in intermission, OF first platform as you land, rest of you...
did you see sanctified mind has been 1 phased in a 3 man
slim coral
Looks mystic
it's breakfast time in NA
oblique trail
did you see sanctified mind has been 1 phased in a 3 man
I haven't!
I also don't know what Sanctified Mind is
It must be the Destiny 2 dungeon!
warm crag
had enough of this disrespect
oblique trail
I disrespect you for you are so small
junior gale
<:detective:912341312907378689>
Only competing with like 100 ppl on queen 
warm crag
tiny even!
clever belfry
sure hope not
junior gale
Probably
oblique trail
That'd still mean you play Arms
warm crag
Arms is like miles ahead of fury on that fight now
me when im 2 seconds away from overdosing on copium
junior gale
Theres like only 3 Colossus kills for queen.
clever belfry
ill play arms
inner shadow
it's 263 on mythic ansurek
inner shadow
sour frigate
balls.
inner shadow
242 actually
junior gale
Your basically just competing against Tmy and his alts at the top and a few others
oblique trail
if you pay me
If you pay me in Evelyn pulls I'll play Arms for an entire tier, thoughts?
clever belfry
If you pay me in Evelyn pulls I'll play Arms for an entire tier, thoughts?
hmm mayhaps ill allow u to pull on my account (i will not i do not want eve)
oblique trail
I need her to fix my terminal skill issue
inner shadow
3400 fury war ok
oblique trail
(She's the newest DPS so she will do dam)
clever belfry
she will!
sour frigate
?
fickle bluff
clever belfry
vs HIM
inner shadow
can i have the hd version of whatever the fuck tghat is
oblique trail
that is the HD
fickle bluff
can i have the hd version of whatever the fuck tghat is
inner shadow
type shi
fickle bluff
clever belfry
can i have the hd version of whatever the fuck tghat is
coarse nest
fickle bluff
jumpscare wth
clever belfry
this is some eldritch horror type shit
inner shadow
christ
clever belfry
i managed to completly kill my chatgpt session with it and its not restarting at all
its fucking dead
coarse nest
Ai said fu
clever belfry
claude didnt want to upscale it either
and just gave me back a pic saying 1000 x 1000 on it
coarse nest
Why don’t I remember that one is it mod boss?
inner shadow
no it's dlc boss
inner shadow
nope
that's putrescent knight
metyr is the dude you find at the cathedral that tells u to blow into 2 finger ruins
coarse nest
Well holy shit then I think I literally missed a boss somehow
coarse nest
Yes
inner shadow
aight basically he gives u a map and tells u go blow at the finger ruins
u come back again, he gives u a second map
then a third map, but the third map is under his chair, when he gets up, you interact with it
coarse nest
Well I’ll be damned
I did not do that part
Or maybe I did and just the boss wasn’t impressionable
inner shadow
you also find thje coolest looking katana
coarse nest
I’ll be checking tonight!
inner shadow
zen is a früchtchen we say in germany
no u, zesty ahh
inner shadow
ain't no way teenagers talkin shit on discord about being a good for nothing, like stfu go outside get something done
floral oak
How much do you wager simc dmg over "feel / flow"? Crit seems to be heavily stats favored for maximum simc dmg, but the flow feels just a tad better with a loadout that falls 0.4% short of my max simc dps
restive peak
I mean that depends on what level you're playing at, if you personally play better there, the .4% is basically irrelevant/within margin on RNG
Personally I don't check gems etc anymore, it's so miniscule I'm not spending gold on it every other sim
inner shadow
Personally I don't check gems etc anymore, it's so miniscule I'm not spending go...
apart from the algari and gems color combo, youj don't care much for gems
restive peak
Noone cares about the gem combos anyway
glad coyote
do we have a date for season 2 yet? and are they doing the buffer week between raid and m+?
wind torrent
probably the 25th of this month
restive peak
It's extremely miniscule my friend
gleaming siren
Who?
coarse nest
Where?
gleaming siren
Is me
inner shadow
It's extremely miniscule my friend
y say?
inner shadow
8k dps from gems
the equipped is the algari gems + 4x colors
Noone cares about the gem combos anyway
is what he said
which is untrue, cuz if u don't do the proper gems u lose a lot of dps
inner shadow
typical brewij brewing bs
inner shadow
How am i ?
restive peak
The 4+ gems vs all same for me is 2.6k DPS
acoustic yoke
is this between dps gems?
restive peak
Aka .000001
acoustic yoke
cause wtf
restive peak
Yeah, but it isn't
And it is 2.6k DPS, not 200k
Lol
2.6k dps is literally irrelevant
coarse nest
Last I checked the difference for me was around 2-3k also
inner shadow
where does it say 2.6k dps to you?
acoustic yoke
if it's just base gems the algari gem being activated makes barely a difference on my char
restive peak
When I run my sims
inner shadow
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7DXjWQmrZwaD8His7EVMLi
with gems vs without gems is 180k
restive peak
You're messing something up, there is a 0% chance any char ever would have a 180k gap from the extra .6% crit dmg
Lol
acoustic yoke
200k
coarse nest
Speed bis
acoustic yoke
last i checked it barely made a change
restive peak
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ssuSiwiJvrU38MkoSTUUHD no 4+ gems required/all same
acoustic yoke
thoughtless of 170k
restive peak
All of them, this 1 shows 4k
Last 1 was 2.6, because sims have some variance
4k is also irrelevant
inner shadow
you know why?
restive peak
I have no idea why yours is showing that, if you're selecting 4+ and ST but initial sim in AOE
Then the 180k is simply going from AOE to ST for ST
clever belfry
@oblique trail where is my promised balls ping
smoky vale
oblique trail
@clever belfry
clever belfry
🧑🌾
oblique trail
smoky vale
balls
smoky vale
:woo:
covert blaze
free him
inner shadow
he is a domestic terrorist
elon ja
covert blaze
I have no idea why yours is showing that, if you're selecting 4+ and ST but init...
he unequipped every gem
restive peak
I quit after queen big dog, Lincs comin back as a dirty casual
Concept GOATed though, love those guys, 12/10
The vibes were immaculate
^ this is not sarcasm, they're seriously ballers and it was a blasty blast
covert blaze
Explains it
restive peak
But 20hrs a week scares me in my old age now, I'll be a RWF watcher
restive peak
Just gonna raid casual and be a dirty M+ meta reroller in free time
crimson kite
guys is there a way to have ravager cast @ cursor and also change to bladestorm without me having to swap anything when i swap to bladestorm talen?
slim coral
I quit after queen big dog, Lincs comin back as a dirty casual
wait then why'd you trial just to quit 
radiant plank
Just gonna raid casual and be a dirty M+ meta reroller in free time
habibi run the MS gem
big speed fuk good
modest condor
doesnt stack with frenzied enrage
oblique trail
guys is there a way to have ravager cast @ cursor and also change to bladestorm ...
#showtooltip
/cast [known:Ravager,@cursor]Ravager; [known:Bladestorm] Bladestorm
clever belfry
gotta blast more burst with powerful
crimson kite
ah thank u
modest condor
powerful is for people with a slow mind
radiant plank
Fits me
oblique trail
Playing warrior isn't synonymous with fast mind
radiant plank
Extremly true
high echo
banezi is downbad
LOL
radiant plank
Astronomically worse
but one could argue your average is boosted by bad players bringing fury down
vs all the good players playing arms
and bringing the average up
oblique trail
And you're playing a spec with 5 people
radiant plank
And you're playing a spec with 5 people
25*
oblique trail
Surely you can beat those 4 other people playing Arms
crimson kite
yeeee its not very gamer to be the prettiest victim in the burn ward
inner shadow
I guess the Finnish debuff is worse
finnish are good at one thing, fps games and csgo gambling
oblique trail
by that someone you must mean Aagaard
radiant plank
Exactly
oblique trail
I'd understand not remembering him though
inner shadow
Velcuz is the epitome of them
crimson kite
finnish ppl are also very good at being aggressively polite
radiant plank
: D
inner shadow
average baus day
oblique trail
finnish are good at one thing, fps games and csgo gambling
Yet the Danes beat them and everyone else in CS multiple years in a row
oblique trail
So they mustn't be that good
radiant plank
Yet the Danes beat them and everyone else in CS multiple years in a row
Nobody said we were the best
inner shadow
Yet the Danes beat them and everyone else in CS multiple years in a row
look at joispoi, the emobidement
oblique trail
That guy is okay but here's a memer more than anything
inner shadow
the avg % of the playerbase is very damn good
crimson kite
364 gpm is a really relevant metric tho
radiant plank
Okay finnish dota 2 pros
are arguably top tier
and serral from SC2
arguably the best at his race
inner shadow
i met 2 icelandic people in my life
one i dated one i played with online
both got me going to therapy
@coarse nest did u get key for nightreign?
slim coral
<@224952758808215555> did u get key for nightreign?
I did thank you for asking Zen
inner shadow
what build did u run ?
radiant plank
Based
smoky vale
dn
slim coral
what affinity?
Ash of war
inner shadow
Bro what
slim coral
with iron whetblade
inner shadow
the iron whetblade gives u 3 affinities, keen heavy and quality
ok now it makes sense, heavy
inner shadow
and ash of war? lion's claw the jump hit like guts or impaling thrust
covert blaze
HOLY Based. I’ve started ER recently and I’m also playing a 2h greatsword
only way to play
inner shadow
imma be honest here, greatsword strength heavy is the most basic shit
but just have fun
south kayak
Im using Bloodhound Fang if that’s the name of the sword
inner shadow
that's a cool early stage weapon yeah
south kayak
that's a cool early stage weapon yeah
It’s my favorite weapon so far
inner shadow
what boss u last killed?
slim coral
and ash of war? lion's claw the jump hit like guts or impaling thrust
lion's claw with claw and omnimask
south kayak
I don’t remember
coarse nest
cuz the dumbass apparently skipped it somehow
Never killed that one yes I completely skipped over
inner shadow
lion's claw with claw and omnimask
omensmirk
coarse nest
High str big hammer is the only true warrior way to play
inner shadow
ragadons talisman
that's the fucking worst talisman for late game XD
inner shadow
High str big hammer is the only true warrior way to play
giant crusher, my guy
inner shadow
you following the lore a bit?
slim coral
that's the fucking worst talisman for late game XD
You just one shot anyways
who cares
whole yacht
that's the fucking worst talisman for late game XD
Radagons soreseal is NOT the worst talisman late game.
inner shadow
You just one shot anyways
not necessarily
south kayak
you following the lore a bit?
Maybe a bit
inner shadow
if you overlevel yourself or weapon
inner shadow
Radagons soreseal is NOT the worst talisman late game.
it is
slim coral
and run share of alexand
inner shadow
soreseal is there for speedruns mostly
coarse nest
I stopped at SL200
slim coral
you just pump
coarse nest
I did base game at SL150 but I went up to 200 in the dlc
whole yacht
It isn't. Coming from someone who does speedruns, challenge runs, and has beaten the game several times. Soreseal is very strong. It's not the best, but it's far from the worst
inner shadow
a bit overlevel but that's fine
coarse nest
Giant slayer hammer is so sick
inner shadow
It isn't. Coming from someone who does speedruns, challenge runs, and has beaten...
my guy, soreseal is so dogshit, 5 stacks a point for a casual player it is not any good
coarse nest
Dual wield them with goats armor
coarse nest
Warrior energy
inner shadow
How do you kill Fullgrown Fallingstar Beast
hit it wil its bar hits 0
south kayak
He takes way less physical damage and I’m doing physical
slim coral
How do you kill Fullgrown Fallingstar Beast
Use your aura
https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-aura-infinite-aura-infinity-aura-max-aura-gif-12685752499691777019
south kayak
My what
whole yacht
Fallingstar beast is literally just "figure out it's attacks. And it's a joke" type fight
south kayak
Fallingstar beast is literally just "figure out it's attacks. And it's a joke" t...
I hate it
coarse nest
I’m about to do a play through with the mod archi recommended
inner shadow
It isn't. Coming from someone who does speedruns, challenge runs, and has beaten...
and i can tell you from someone who done did the dlc NG+14, it is a dogshit talisman for late game compared to so many other talsismans
south kayak
What’s a good talisman I should use
whole yacht
Learn the dodge windows for each attack, you'll never die to it again
south kayak
For early game
whole yacht
and i can tell you from someone who done did the dlc NG+14, it is a dogshit tali...
Nothing after ng 7 gets scaled. So your "ng 14" is irrelevant
coarse nest
But I managed to beat it on base game mode
whole yacht
I've no hit run the dlc in +7
south kayak
Nah 56 is where it’s at
inner shadow
Nothing after ng 7 gets scaled. So your "ng 14" is irrelevant
you ready to be proven wrong?
coarse nest
Oh I didn’t know that
inner shadow
it doesn't stop scaling at +7
south kayak
I've no hit run the dlc in +7
Sheesh what
inner shadow
see, had you played as much as you claim to have. you'd know the dlc scales to +14
whole yacht
Lmao
south kayak
Are you really a godly lemon
inner shadow
imma send chart now
south kayak
inner shadow
coarse nest
whole yacht
And where did you get this "chart"? Because it's not on the wiki. And the damage profile from 7 to 8 was the exact same. A power stance jump attack doing 8100 still did 8100 to the same enemy. (Their defenses change as it scales)
inner shadow
go check elden ring discord
whole yacht
You sure you weren't looking at mods? There's numerous mods for scaling it past 7
south kayak
I’m going to volcano manor so I can get somber 7
inner shadow
no my guy
this is not modsa t all
this is the regular game
doing the ng+14 at max level, one slight attack takes out 80% of your health, at 99 vigor and max stats/buffs
whole yacht
It's weird nothing comes up when I google it.
smoky vale
inner shadow
that's elden ring only
inner shadow
It's weird nothing comes up when I google it.
most of the information is solmenly in the elden ring discord (bandai namco official serverS)
whole yacht
But why does ONLY the elden ring discord have this mysterious table? No Google search. No wiki.
inner shadow
all the informations are shared/discussed there, for lore and everything
whole yacht
And the information subsequently would end up on wiki or reddit
But i can't find anything
Idk man. I'll look around more. But I've never heard of it scaling past 7
I always make a new character after 7. Because of the scaling
If it's real, and it scales more. I'll be picking it back up to do a +14 no hit run
smoky vale
sour frigate
that's elden ring only
oh cant force myself to finish this shit
smoky vale
oh cant force myself to finish this shit
hi
sour frigate
gio 👋
inner shadow
<:copium:839076283467431956>
fyi wiki fextralife and those guides are absolutely the worst when it comes to elden ring infos/guides
they're still after three years, inaccurate on many points
slim coral
fyi wiki fextralife and those guides are absolutely the worst when it comes to e...
I made a post highlighting madox's point
inner shadow
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/can-the-devs-take-a-look-at-buffing-moun...
what the fuck are you linking me
inner shadow
it's not loading,
slim coral
inner shadow
both guides and discord community
fextra and reddit are both useless sources of information for this stuff lol
slim coral
pog
inner shadow
for soulsgames or soulslike, it is always better to rely on discord community than videos/guides.
when the information is outdated, you would quickly know, whereas with guides, shit is dogshit
sour frigate
inner shadow
especially when it comess to lore, there's devs around the discord too, actual bandai namco devs, so cool
modest condor
you know they will have to nerf our other abilities if they do that and then we have to deal with all the crying
solemn plover
We cannot survive another blue nerf
compact siren
clever belfry
modest condor
i like how they nerfed that after 1 week and then enhance just does the same damage anyway
maiden ingot
you know they will have to nerf our other abilities if they do that and then we ...
Scavenger Rules apply to Warrior. We take what we can, then we shut it and eat what we got.
south kayak
Now that our main damage is in abilities like rampage, bt, and rb, and aoe cds like TR are so weak they should make MC 8 targets
Someone make post
On NA
slim coral
you know they will have to nerf our other abilities if they do that and then we ...
While true madox brought up a good point that it would help our aoe a lot more
south kayak
Thanks
south kayak
I don’t care if we’re capped as long as it’s not 5, it should go to 8 now because that’s majority of aoe damage now
inner shadow
it's like when u ask for a review of ur score at a test, then end up with a lower score
south kayak
Our aoe cds are trash now
inner shadow
same shit will happen, we want buff, ill get nerf
restive peak
Time to roll lightning fury alts for M+
oblique trail
that buffs us
Maybe they should buff Slayers Strike and Reap the Storm again
Another 20% will fix us
clever belfry
i will uninstally
south kayak
Time to roll lightning fury alts for M+
Already done
restive peak
Do it blizzard
slim coral
Roar needs a buff since it got capped and nerfed due to our burst
restive peak
Shamlinc gonna be R1 next season get hyped
sour frigate
south kayak
Isn’t Roar uncapped on bleed
oblique trail
i will uninstally
We should hope for it then maybe for then I will also have another incentive to
restive peak
Roar sucks, spear M+ new meta, we ball
south kayak
Spear is the new meta because our rotational abilities do all the damage
Therefore we should get 8 target cleave
restive peak
Man I just did 16 COT as my 1st key back after 2 months
clever belfry
@oblique trail
restive peak
Why does this game feel like riding a bike, locked in
oblique trail
cease
south kayak
This is exactly why outlaw is 8 instead of 5, because their ENTIRE AoE damage comes from blade flurry
clever belfry
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
radiant plank
You will lose your next 3 50/50s
horror
sour frigate
This is exactly why outlaw is 8 instead of 5, because their ENTIRE AoE damage co...
as if furys biggest chunk of aoe coming not from mc
wind torrent
will prob see more tuning on the top spec, fury is fine where its at tbh. strong and not broken
south kayak
8 target may break us
Honestly they should nerf those abilities they buffed and buff others like TB
raw token
i have a bad question do you still have to stand in spears circle? cuz ive been doing that lol
clever belfry
Honestly they should nerf those abilities they buffed and buff others like TB
god no
wind torrent
i have a bad question do you still have to stand in spears circle? cuz ive been ...
no
clever belfry
our BASE SPEC is finally doing damage
south kayak
as if furys biggest chunk of aoe coming not from mc
Well, now it is on aoe but it used to be other cds that are now nerfed to hell
south kayak
our BASE SPEC is finally doing damage
I guess you’re right, it’s just that I don’t expect them buffing the other abilities without nerfing some of that
And I really think they need to buff TB or TR or any of the other passives they haven’t touched like CSHB
sour frigate
Well, now it is on aoe but it used to be other cds that are now nerfed to hell
inb its basically mc
same with crushing lightning from lightning fury spec
modest condor
And I really think they need to buff TB or TR or any of the other passives they ...
the most recent buff should have been an aura buff instead of a targeted one, with a chunky execute buff on top
south kayak
the most recent buff should have been an aura buff instead of a targeted one, wi...
Agree tbh, they just keep buffing rampage and BT/RB over and over
How many buffs has it been since
It’s insane
Now the rotation is all messed up for thane
On ST where u don’t wanna press TB for a while
Because other abilities are better
Are you even playing thane at that point
modest condor
you havent seen what slayer does during cooldowns
south kayak
What does it do
modest condor
neither really needed a buff
modest condor
bt is doing the same/higher damage than rampage on damage breakdown
frank dawn
bt/bb are prob a bit out of control atm lol
sour frigate
rampage > bladestorm > spear > rb > rb > rb > rb > rampage
make rb procing reap
covert blaze
@modest condor is execute good again
modest condor
no
frank dawn
Execute kinda fun as Slayer, but I don't think there's much change in its prio for either spec
red berry
what would people do to address AoE damage atm, then
slim coral
the issue with execute is that it's only really fun when it pumps
red berry
if you were a developer
and yeah no if execute when its a button worth pressing is wonderful
slim coral
I'd do what madox suggested and buff the thunderblast and hero talent nodes
Or just uncap fury and tune around that
give it actual cds
which it doesnt have
restive peak
Are we doing bad AOE? Pretty sure we're only not great compared to enh, and enh is giga busted again
Uncapping fury would break the spec, we'd be dogshit
slim coral
I've stayed off ptr so we don't get nerfed
restive peak
Pretty sure we're quite strong after this past tuning pass, very minimal data, but we're definitely not bad
modest condor
we're bad on uncapped aoe as usual but at least our 5 target aoe is strong enough now that when you look at overall at the end of a dungeon we're at least able to compete with the uncapped specs
restive peak
The obsession with our lower cap happens literally every tier
So we're where we always are; outside the meta but strong
modest condor
idk if you can call fury strong on live right now
restive peak
I meant S2, ye we kinda meh on live
restive peak
But I just came back, so I haven't really played retail since queen died
Did a 16 COT today, competitive but def below others on overall
modest condor
fury on ptr looks pretty similar to how it was before 10.1.5 as far as relative strength in m+ goes
restive peak
Think this is just our design, unless they rework us we'll always be around that
modest condor
i mean you look at people like noxiv and crit and they're just not able to compete on overall
and they're not even playing with any of the meta specs
restive peak
If they buff our AOE right now, we're going to be fuckin giga busted and get hammered week 2
frank dawn
Thane is kinda shitting all over Slayer burst on the PTR anyway atm
fading sky
But rets would cry. And we get nerfed
red berry
idk if tuning our AoE to be a bit stronger would make us giga busted
frank dawn
since none of the burst abiltiies have been buffed
modest condor
and right now we dont even have the st to carry us like we had for the past couple of expansions
pulsar mason
We could do what everyone else does these days, unlimited aoe but reduced dmg past 5 targets.
restive peak
But I mean for S2 our ST looks quite strong after tuning, AOE is good/5 target niche is strong
frank dawn
and right now we dont even have the st to carry us like we had for the past coup...
wait are you saying this even on PTR?
modest condor
no
frank dawn
oh ok
frank dawn
I feel like they have to do a profile rebalance on ptr
fading sky
Year of the spear is prob back
frank dawn
like nothing matters besides bb/rb/ramp
fading sky
like nothing matters besides bb/rb/ramp
That seema correct for fury?
frank dawn
I mean execute/bladestorm/of/tblast/roar
modest condor
onslaught and odyns arent even a consideration anymore
fading sky
Execute got big buffed
modest condor
and roar is so weak it's barely worth pressing
fading sky
Just only worth it on slayer
frank dawn
Execute got big buffed
the buff only made it not complete dog shit after bb/rb/ramp got buffed multiple times
it's still one of our lowest prio buttons, even as Slayer
red berry
lmao
fading sky
Vc provides the main executr dmg buff
sand crest
0/10 rage bait
modest condor
it is a bad button when the only reason you press it is to give cdr to something else
fading sky
With some added from using execute
frank dawn
Slayer execute is passable I guess. I can agree that calling it bad is maybe a stretch
red berry
yeah no execute is a bad button even after a 50% buff
fading sky
I mean they could remove vc and buff execute more
We cant have both dmg profilewise
Then we need less dmg first 65%
modest condor
the problem is not in bt, it's on rb
fading sky
And we turn into arms
modest condor
rb is just too strong and it's practically spammable
red berry
which ik some people arent fond of it here but just slapping slaughtering strikes onto execute would be nice. i'd say bloodthirst too just to be spicy
modest condor
i would go a step further and just remove ss from rb altogether
red berry
would certainly incentivize you to press it less
but its still strong enough and a rotational that you'll end up pressing it anyway
sand crest
bottom line is, it should be fun/exciting to press abilities that are at the bottom of the tree, and for fury most of them are dogshit
fading sky
Its all bout qhere we want our power distrubuted
red berry
having the abilities buff each other might be a little silly, too. a la monk
modest condor
all of our cooldowns need buffs
fading sky
But also fury plays verybwell
red berry
yeah no buff every CD lmao
fading sky
Like i truly enjoy a key as fury
red berry
bladestorm being nerfed 10% still from them trying to resolve burst
fading sky
It flows
Tbf
Id rsther have a strongrr bladestorm
Coz ofc we csnt have of and bladestorm
frank dawn
eh, idk about that. It was only a problem because of this dumb ass raid design
fading sky
M+
frank dawn
even before nerfs it's not like fury was blowing it out of the water in keys
coarse nest
I agree I’ve always wanted Bladestorm to be the most impactful aoe cd
It makes sense to me that it would be
fading sky
Agreed
frank dawn
because of Unhinged Bladestorm is still pretty insane, but 40% buffed bloodbaths are carrying that on ptr lol
fading sky
Also delete rosr
fading sky
Roar, its booring
frank dawn
anyway, as others have said, I'm all for them nerfing bb/rb and throwing an aura buff at us to make our cooldowns feel better
fading sky
Remove roar give me ancient aftershock!
frank dawn
did prot have shockwave and aftershock in SL?
fading sky
Y
frozen berry
I honestly miss Conqueror's Banner, I was a Necrolord warrior from SL launch.
fading sky
I honestly miss Conqueror's Banner, I was a Necrolord warrior from SL launch.
Remove roar put in banner
Im in as well
modest condor
fuck banner
frank dawn
I feel like they don't want the dps specs to have two shockwaves, but also shockwave feels pretty meh these days with the recast change
frozen berry
Though I did have to make a macro that ye;;ed 'BANNER GOOD! NO RUN FROM BANNER!" cause peeps though my banner was bad and would run away from it. Them having you put the banner on your back was one of the best decisions Blizz ever made.
frank dawn
I like roar /shrug
fickle cedar
shockwave should have that talent as baseline
red berry
yeah idc much for banner
frank dawn
Banner was a cool personal cooldown in various ways imo
but the group aspects need to stay dead
modest condor
I feel like they don't want the dps specs to have two shockwaves, but also shock...
the whole "abilities go on cooldown if you cc the enemy" was a failure and im glad it's gone again
frozen berry
Yeah, when Banner buffed grp hp I had to save Banner for oh shit moments, kinda like Rally Cry...
frank dawn
the whole "abilities go on cooldown if you cc the enemy" was a failure and im gl...
yeah I mean tbf it's probably better for the game, I just feel like they failed epicly at designing around it in Season 1 here
coarse nest
Keep me as far away as possible from buffing others instead of myself
red berry
im fine with buffing others
coarse nest
modest condor
and honestly people who act like aoe stops are useless now after the change are the type of people who got used to vdh soloing the pack for them and now that you need coordination again they suddenly realise they suck at doing anything other than hitting a target dummy
frozen berry
If they want us to buff others, just make a dps/support spec for warrior, Bannerlord. Uses all sorts of banners, shouts, etc to buff and debuff /shrug.
red berry
and honestly people who act like aoe stops are useless now after the change are ...
true but you're coming in full swing today i see
modest condor
it's one of my strong opinions yes
frozen berry
But that would open up a whole lot of probloems most likely, see what just a single support spec did to the game.
frozen berry
I just want Stormbolt to get it's 400% increased dmg vs stun immune targets back...Stormbolt was cool to have even in ST back i nthe day.
modest condor
we had 3 expansions where cc didnt put abilities on cooldown, we had 1 expansion where it did, and a single tank could lock down the whole pack and blizzard realised that that was unhealthy for the game so they went back to the old system
remote bobcat
I just want Stormbolt to get it's 400% increased dmg vs stun immune targets back...
idk we're already stormbolting in ST during bladestorm
fading sky
True. But onlt hurts pugd
oblique trail
idk we're already stormbolting in ST during bladestorm
Honestly you need help if you do this
fading sky
U cant have am and impactfull cds
remote bobcat
Honestly you need help if you do this
on ulgrax, sikran and kyveza
coarse nest
Yes I can!
remote bobcat
its chill
remote bobcat
other bosses kinda tight on talents
fading sky
U arent blue or pink so. No
frozen berry
Just need a huge overall ST buff...or has the recent changes actually given Fury decent ST on the PTR?
restive granite
who else is getting baited again for S2
wintry sundial
They should tune based on week 17 LFR parses
fading sky
Tune after race
frozen berry
I mean our burst aoe is still okay, I died twice to add aggro on mythic Rash when I popped my cds o.O lol
fading sky
Those adds need stun
coarse nest
They should tune around mythic data and not heroic
restive granite
SHOULD
coarse nest
That would be the most logical imo
fading sky
They should tune around mythic data and not heroic
So after race?
wintry sundial
Y'all play slayer or thane in raid?
fading sky
Slaya
frozen berry
Slayer all the way
fading sky
By a mile
restive granite
thane only in court for me
coarse nest
No after 1 week of mythic they should tune the day before NA reset
coarse nest
Thane blasts on court
fading sky
And collosus feels like fury spec
restive granite
wheres berserker
modest condor
speaking of hero specs
i wonder what blizzard is gonna do next expansion
add an extra hero spec? add new talents to the existing ones?
idk how adding an extra hero spec would work
restive granite
i hope they delete them
coarse nest
I bet they extend the existing one
frozen berry
We'd prob need to get another spec to get a new hero talent tree I'd think
restive granite
i dislike how they lock classes into certain builds
frank dawn
it wouldn't be too crazy to extend the main trees with 5 points on each side
clever belfry
add an extra hero spec? add new talents to the existing ones?
just add new talents to the bottom
frank dawn
or even just 10 points in the spec trees tbh
unreal onyx
is there a bug with vantus runes going on rn?
restive granite
not so much with fury, but other classes are much more restricted by hero talents
coarse nest
Or another option would be giving the specs access to the hero tree they don’t currently have
Might be odd to do that though
modest condor
i dislike how they lock classes into certain builds
but how are you gonna make interesting hero specs without locking you into certain talents?
like if all it did was buff raging blow, bloodthirst and rampage people would complain as well
restive granite
i have no idea, i think they were a mistake from the start
modest condor
or if it had no interaction with the base kit at all
restive granite
i dislike the entire concept
modest condor
fair
clever belfry
but how are you gonna make interesting hero specs without locking you into certa...
yes, but also why does slayer need bladestorm and not ravager
frozen berry
Or maybe they give a new spec/hero talent that actually uses SMF for once? lol
modest condor
good joke
clever belfry
what, mechanically, makes ravager not work
(nothing, its useless artifical dogshit)
oblique trail
Because if you use BS then you can send out your crazy reap the storms even faster than if you used Ravager
For blasting even more burst
clever belfry
ravager takes a year to tick and unhinged doesnt cleave
doesnt matter
maybe just remove reap the piss
edgy widget
yes, but also why does slayer need bladestorm and not ravager
flavor and forced diversification - if Slayer worked with Ravager, then its very likely you'd just never play Bladestorm
frozen berry
I mean, I'd like to see new specs for basically every class, esp adding a tank specs to classes that should have it; Shaman, Evoker, Hunter, Warlock(?)... and Tinkerer class would be awesome! But new spec for warrior...idk wth it could be?
clever belfry
flavor and forced diversification - if Slayer worked with Ravager, then its very...
i think this is boring as shit
edgy widget
fair, but that's still the reason
clever belfry
make me WANT to take bladestorm
radiant plank
Big fan of never playing bladestorm as arms
edgy widget
most people only WANT to take whatever is best
clever belfry
the exact thing i was getting it
frozen berry
Well Slayer is supposed to be built/themed around Bladestorm and Execute right?
mossy fox
even before nerfs it's not like fury was blowing it out of the water in keys
fury was defo gonna get easily beaten in high keys even before any of the s1 nerfs
edgy widget
if Bladestorm were wildly better than Ravager, most people would end up having this conversation in opposite - the majority don't care about nuance of flavor, only what is putting up bigger numbers at that particular moment
clever belfry
Well Slayer is supposed to be built/themed around Bladestorm and Execute right?
..is it though?
wintry sundial
I mean they literally locked you out of ravager so I'd say yes
clever belfry
execute in itself is barely more than a vehicle to cdr your bladestorm for fury (on live)
edgy widget
FWIW though, I think this version of Fury's Bladestorm is the best its ever had and I actually enjoy it a lot more than Ravager, so I don't really see the issue 
red berry
i do enjoy this bladestorm quite a bit bit however i wish it hit harder
clever belfry
i dislike ravager auto targeting, doesnt mean i cant dislike this hard locking L
edgy widget
i do enjoy this bladestorm quite a bit bit however i wish it hit harder
that's a tuning issue (most complaints are tbh)
red berry
it is a tuning issue
and in fairness i'd say the same thing of ravager
but
that's a story of fury CD in general
edgy widget
Ravager's tuning is fine, it's actually better than Bladestorm in many cases that the two compete
red berry
it is, yeah
frank dawn
reap damage does feel pretty stupid atm
edgy widget
For Fury anyway, Arms is a diff story
red berry
reap is pretty gross but slayer arguably needs it anyway
clever belfry
arms bladestorm feels horrendous to press lmao
edgy widget
What is the issue with Reap?
red berry
they could just take damage out of reap and put it into bladestorm
clever belfry
it just does too much damage for happening randomly
oblique trail
Reap does too much damage for an RNG source
frank dawn
What is the issue with Reap?
yeah, I think just too much damage is all
edgy widget
I mean that's fair, Reap is supposed to be more sustained damage whereas Bladestorm is burst
clever belfry
like u cant tell me this is a reasonable breakdown on something like ovinax
oblique trail
The peaks and valleys in AoE especially is abhorrent just looking at Reap
edgy widget
it's literally just a multitarget version of Slayer's Strike
modest condor
like u cant tell me this is a reasonable breakdown on something like ovinax
better target cap the initial hit of roar some more
summer quail
like u cant tell me this is a reasonable breakdown on something like ovinax
depending on pull it could even be my top damage. pretty crazy
fading sky
Ravager is fun on arms
clever belfry
depending on pull it could even be my top damage. pretty crazy
ive never had it be top past like 2nd adds
edgy widget
like u cant tell me this is a reasonable breakdown on something like ovinax
I mean Ovinax is a very skewed representation to be fair
frozen berry
Yeah Fury needs jesus on target cap -_-
clever belfry
ovinax is decidedly not sustain, yet reap does more than the CD (OF) that is exactly the cd of the add spawns
edgy widget
I would never use one specific fight with very unusual mechanics to make an argument
summer quail
ive never had it be top past like 2nd adds
it's top on my first kill
clever belfry
that is bad
edgy widget
OF is 5
clever belfry
doesnt change what i said
modest condor
reap also does damage while there are no adds up
edgy widget
doesn't change what I said
fading sky
Of got fucked
edgy widget
reap also does damage while there are no adds up
yeah but its ST is pitiful
I'm just saying, Ovinax is a very skewed example
clever belfry
it did more ST than i thought it would on this tbf
fading sky
10000%
edgy widget
no argument that Reap does a crazy amount of multitarget damage, though I don't think you'd see it go back into Bladestorm - best you could hope for is a WW buff or something
oblique trail
I personally do not mind Reap and Slayer's Strike existing, but the fact that it's allowed to outpace our rotational abilities and to an absurd extent in some cases, when you have no control over it, is personally speaking just awful design
summer quail
wait nvm i lied, it's only above odyns. remembered wrong
oblique trail
RNG is good but to an extent
edgy widget
it's random, but it's not that random, reap has a pretty good proc rate in multitarget
mossy fox
i dont mind it too much tbh
red berry
honestly what baffles me is
clever belfry
the main cringe part is during unhinged
mossy fox
i had a much bigger problem with enduring blow in sl
frank dawn
I'm still not sure I'm convinced that our launch versions of OF and Bladestorm are actually any kind of legitimate issue when most of the raid doesn't have a ton of adds that spawn constantly on the exact cooldown of those abilities lol
clever belfry
if you get a few procs during bladestorm it just spikes to silly amounts
fading sky
I want tb to be soft capped at 8
clever belfry
(cause those are obviously the base 20% as theyre not cleaved)
fading sky
If reap can
red berry
tb being capped at 8 and being buffed a bit would be nice
clever belfry
i think warrior needs another targetcap
how about a softcap on 3 on some ability
edgy widget
tb being capped at 8 and being buffed a bit would be nice
TB is softcapped at 5 like WW and most other consistent aoe abilities, I don't think you'd get them to up it to 8
fading sky
2
mossy fox
meat cleaver 2 targets
clever belfry
we need to collect them all
red berry
i think whirlwind should only cleave to two targets at 15%
oblique trail
I personally do not derive a lot of enjoyment out of my burst window doing 4 million dps, and then another pull it doing 5 million, just because I procced Reap on every unhinged tick
summer quail
bladestorm target capped to 5 next
red berry
meat cleaver 2 targets
fuck you beat me to it
oblique trail
There was no difference in what I pressed, I just procced more
clever belfry
bladestorm target capped to 5 next
no we already have hard and soft 5
maybe bladestorm soft 6
thats a new one too
summer quail
smort
clever belfry
gotta catch em all
frank dawn
we can have a new mastery, after you use abilities 4 times in a row with different target caps become enraged
it's gonna be lit
clever belfry
Or a hard 7
idk which ones tails
red berry
new mastery is sometimes chris metzen. not thrall, metzen himself appears as an NPC and rolls a dice for you for whether or not you get a damage increase
oblique trail
My best Ansurek parse since 11.0.7, and both Reap and Slayer's Strike doing the same damage as OF I think is quite silly arguably
clever belfry
google no longer gives me a coin when i tell it to roll a d2 gg
modest condor
gg another thing ruined by corporate greed
oblique trail
stop making fun of my terminal skill issue (I had downtime)
edgy widget
I personally do not derive a lot of enjoyment out of my burst window doing 4 mil...
I think this is valid, but it's also extremely hard to design around without either
A) Getting rid of RNG entirely (never going to happen)
B) Going back to ICD-like systems (very unlikely to happen)
You could probably rebalance numbers/mechanics a bit to lessen the impact, but that's easier said than done because changes in one area always affects another
clever belfry
a timeless classic
fading sky
Tbh i think fury is fun atm
edgy widget
it is
fading sky
But i do want ancient afterahock
edgy widget
But the truth of the matter is that most power players care a great deal about consistent predictable interactions - they wanna maximize performance based on the buttons they pressed when they press them and don't want outside influences (RNG) to dictate their performance
oblique trail
I think this is valid, but it's also extremely hard to design around without eit...
As I said, I do not mind RNG, but there's a difference between RNG being the difference between you doing 1.5 million and 1.6 million between two pulls, or 1.5 million and 1.8 million
covert blaze
agree with banezo
oblique trail
Right now it's very much the latter where you just gotta hope for good RNG if you want to do damage, and if you have bad RNG, i.e Slayer's Strike or bad lineups with your BS and Spear, it's just gg
wind torrent
if you're a parse bot
edgy widget
As I said, I do not mind RNG, but there's a difference between RNG being the dif...
I agree, but again that's much easier said than done
oblique trail
I don't think it was
clever belfry
@oblique trail look what they took from us (my first ovi kill gg...) (this was RA not AM)
