everything else got gigabbuffed
#fury
young swan
sudden tusk
so its falling behind p bad
dense elbow
They buffed everything else
upbeat plume
ah fair enough lol
dense elbow
This is why I harp on other things needing help too 
junior gale
Blizzard just really loves forgetting to buff the hero talents too when they do these spec buffs huh
young swan
was 5 minutes
sudden tusk
yeah it used to be more like
junior gale
Colossus and mtn thane over here like
sudden tusk
20%
young swan
BT and BB are inflated cause the dummies are just perma <35%
junior gale
upbeat plume
oh random question does VIcious contempt affect the BB bleed?
snow edge
Just turning into a 'apply WW with some flavour' ability now
upbeat plume
good to know
winter shoal
This should be a net buff tho bc you get more ticks during ava
dense elbow
was 5 minutes
Mind doing an OF check? I fear to see it fall under 5% 
But at least VC won't inflate the check 
winter shoal
BT and BB are inflated cause the dummies are just perma <35%
On the silvermoon dummy it usually takes me ~1:30 to get the dummy to 35% which works out nicely for shorter tests
dense elbow
This should be a net buff tho bc you get more ticks during ava
Maybe you get a tick more, maybe in that o.5 offset? It got to be the most minimal of minimal increases
young swan
bleed damage seems real low but i feel the combo of perma uptime VC + the BB buff is skewing it a lot
dense elbow
Bleed does more than ravager, it does a lot of dam for an passive add effect
winter shoal
Maybe you get a tick more, maybe in that o.5 offset? It got to be the most minim...
Previously like half your BB bleed was outside of ava
dense elbow
It used to do more than gushing consistent tho. Kinda weird
edgy widget
BT and BB are inflated cause the dummies are just perma <35%
spec out of VC!
winter shoal
And the dot is like 300k or something
edgy widget
The DoT was hard nerfed
winter shoal
I haven't actually tested with the buffs yet
edgy widget
by -66% (although technically more, since less of the damage falls inside CDs now)
winter shoal
Btw Archi do you know of a way to properly log on PTR dummies
winter shoal
Btw Archi do you know of a way to properly log on PTR dummies
By this I mean the logs don't include overkill damage so they're like always 1.3m dps because that's how much the dummy heals for
junior gale
stoic marsh
Can anyone tell me what the prio for bloodthirst is on Slayer? Do i build up the buff with crushing blows or send it whenever available
nimble ermine
dense elbow
Ye, seems very off
edgy widget
Btw Archi do you know of a way to properly log on PTR dummies
there is some jank to it, try uploading manually instead of live logging
and you may have to select specific fights
edgy widget
BB dot got shot in the head
So the whole deal is it seems like they tried to make the BB DoT commensurate to the CB +20% crit damage - a bonus, instead of the main draw
young swan
So the whole deal is it seems like they tried to make the BB DoT commensurate to...
ah I see
feral ivy
All I’m hearing about the new dungeons is if you wipe it’s HELL run back there is crappy or no boss graveyards
edgy widget
which is both a good and bad thing
- good in that it's a little easier to balance and helps avoid rotational jank (prio BB on long fights, prio CB on short ones)
- bad in that it's a lot less interesting now, effectively just another 1-2% damage ability on the breakdown
dense elbow
Hey, that is only like 1m behind lock and 2m behind enh. And that them without aug
winter shoal
Have good warrior changes coming for 11.1
@gilded pawn your goat has spoken
dense elbow
Surprised monk did that low dam tho, monk totally scuffed?
slim coral
Hey, that is only like 1m behind lock and 2m behind enh. And that them without a...
this is a 12 for shaman and lock
atleast the only one I can find rn
edgy widget
By this I mean the logs don't include overkill damage so they're like always 1.3...
in this no, find a different dummy
frank dawn
what's the deal with bloodbath dot? it's lower but still doing a pretty good chunk of damage for me in both aoe/st
wtf
is my details scuffing it
dense elbow
Bt is slapping
I know it kinda fake, but it so look nice with Ramp on top with some margin.
Just pretend BT and BB ain't the same thing
Also, exe buff o.7% value
Big
slim coral
Yeah I'm still not sure what to prio during reck
I was mostly prioring bb and cb
and then I ramped like every 5 globals
winter shoal
in this no, find a different dummy
Are there any dummies that stay at 100%?
dense elbow
Before the bleed change, BB, now tho - I don't know, expect the CB SS value is worth more that global, cause SS. BB I don't if the bleed is that "weak"
I kinda want to see BB DoT above Gushing tho. No reason why rationally, I kinda just want it 
winter shoal
@slim coral is BB dot still cleaving?
young swan
ok slayer feels like shit but execute kinda large crit
sour frigate
what ilvl?
slim coral
<@137623498351837184> is BB dot still cleaving?
uh I'm not sure I was not paying attention
junior gale
ok slayer feels like shit but execute kinda large crit
What makes it feel like shit?
dense elbow
ok slayer feels like shit but execute kinda large crit
Almost PvP value, pog, only another 25% to go!
Big number is fun
young swan
WW sucks, no BB synergy, cant press buttons during BS
just feels fucking odd with the new RA
thane feels better to me
dense elbow
AM slayer feels great, just numbers ain't there
winter shoal
RA Thane felt really cursed to me
CD windows were wack with wanting to use BB/CB but also fit in thunder blasts and maintain enrage
slim coral
Ra thane feels great now
winter shoal
AM Thane fux tho
young swan
CD windows were wack with wanting to use BB/CB but also fit in thunder blasts an...
really?
felt super intuitive to me
the only weird thing is not pressing ramp
but theres an easy cadence to it
dense elbow
Blast is just to enable cleave, but I can see what you mean
frank dawn
RA Thane feels like we're just in beta again tbh, people don't know what order they supposed to hit buttons so it feels weird
winter shoal
I mean maybe I'm just dumb but like no matter what you're gonna lose casts of SOMETHING no?
young swan
i think u just have to get it in your brain that BB is the only button that matters
slim coral
I mean once we know the apl it'll be easier to min max
dense elbow
You ramp to BB, not BB to ramp is still in full effect
slim coral
I to BB Cb and then TB
dense elbow
Just no ramp
slim coral
for prio
winter shoal
i think u just have to get it in your brain that BB is the only button that matt...
Is this still true with the dot nerf tho?
young swan
BB > TB > CB?
I press BB as much as possible, TB to refresh mc or if at 2 stacks, CB until either im about to drop enrage or BB is back off cd
young swan
i only ramp if im about to drop enrage or capping on SS stacks
usually those 2 things coincide
but maybe thats bad now
slim coral
TOP first boss feels so much better now
dense elbow
What fix
slim coral
everything
edgy widget
Are there any dummies that stay at 100%?
no, but you can find a dummy that doesn't have 40 people whacking it
winter shoal
no, but you can find a dummy that doesn't have 40 people whacking it
I'm the only person ever in silvermoon and the dummy gets to execute/vc range after like 1:30 usually
slim coral
visuals damage output etc etc
dense elbow
Guess I will wait till after work and give ToP a spin
Sounds like a fun thing to look forward to
I love big improvements
edgy widget
I'm the only person ever in silvermoon and the dummy gets to execute/vc range af...
idk haven't been there in awhile, but normal max level dummies don't push that fast vs 1 person
go somewhere else
winter shoal
On previous PTRs it hasn't been an issue
Idk if damage numbers are just getting too high or what
edgy widget
i think u just have to get it in your brain that BB is the only button that matt...
post-hotfixes, Bloodbath is ~13% higher damage than Crushing Blow, but CB also triggers a bunch of extra stuff, so I think it's a pretty close call overall
my gut is saying we'll prob prio CB > BB in single target, but I haven't investigated yet
edgy widget
BT is much higher than RB though, so we may just prio it raw
young swan
the variance on execute damage is pretty funny
junior gale
lmao
edgy widget
the variance on execute damage is pretty funny
I would presume because of marked stacks
edgy widget
Execute is now ~13% higher average damage than Crushing Blow, but similar situation in that CB triggers a lot of bonus stuff (and you're kinda encouraged to hold Exe for Marked anyway)
dense elbow
just funny to see with a patches worth more ilvl
Mind doing a quick PvP full roll dummy test? 
edgy widget
Bloodthirst damage is actually cracked
young swan
yeah BT fucking cranks
edgy widget
it's almost as high as Rampage
edgy widget
which I'm fine with tbh
young swan
yeah im a big fan
dense elbow
Everyone likes BT hitting hard, it feels great
edgy widget
I mean it probably doesn't need to crank this hard
but it should, imo, be one of the higher priority buttons for Fury
I just don't like when RB is above BT, because you get reset chains which effectively cause you to never press BT
and I'm afraid of the same thing now happening with CB
dense elbow
Makes pressing it more fun, as big number to proc the hero effects just feels great
RB is just in my head the flex filler, never been a fan
edgy widget
numbers are completely arbitrary and focusing too much on "big number" is a mega noob trap
the numbers are completely ephemeral, so the "big number fun" argument carries absolutely no weight with me
what matters is the relationship between abilities, because that's what dictates the order in which they're prioritized
dense elbow
Sure, I won't disagree. But it is fun, for ppl like me.
We like what we like
edgy widget
people just like bigger/better/stronger in general, doesn't matter what it is
edgy widget
people always want buffs and always hate nerfs, regardless of which actually leads to more balance
so yeah you can say "bigger number better" all you want, but it's really not always true
it's just a very surface level take
dense elbow
Sure, but surface surfing is entertaining. Riding those big number waves of dopamine
edgy widget
they're still arbitrary
dense elbow
Of course
edgy widget
and they're still comparative
dense elbow
Yep
edgy widget
a big number to one spec/class is completely different to another
so again, it's a meaningless metric
not to mention, there absolutely is such a thing as "too much" - the more one button does comes at the expense of others. You can say "bigger number better!" all you want, but what happen once it starts doing 30, 40, 50% of your damage and everything else contributes jack and/or shit in comparison?
dense elbow
And still, I think most will agree, big arbitrary and comparably number in context, is experienced as fun when it hits
edgy widget
having 1 ability make up half your rotation while the other 15 fight for 3% increments is not good, nor does it feel good seeing them
dense elbow
And yes, I agree all things inmoderation
edgy widget
in fact that's one of the most frequent complaints in modern WoW
so no, "bigger number better" is definitely not an absolute
smoky vale
....
dense elbow
Nothing is absolute, sure
edgy widget
no, some things are absolute
that's just not one of them
numbers are all relative, it's a stupid metric to go off of
end of story
winter shoal
Buffs seem to be about an 8-10% increase from yesterday according to the single 3m dummy test I just did
edgy widget
Bloodthirst contributing as much damage as Rampage probably isn't a good thing, it definitely could have some of that power put into other things (like Sidearm, for example, has fallen down to <0.6%, Gushing Wound is down to 2.5%, Spear/Roar are down to <2%)
edgy widget
Buffs seem to be about an 8-10% increase from yesterday according to the single ...
more like +15% 
winter shoal
From yesterday? Seems fake
winter shoal
I was pretty consistently getting 1.8m yesterday, about 2.05 today
summer quail
if it were up to me, rampage would always be the nr 1 prio. i love rampage so much
nimble ermine
+1
edgy widget
I was pretty consistently getting 1.8m yesterday, about 2.05 today
will also depend on a bunch of factors - you prob don't have full raid buffs, your gear/rota likely isn't the same
you're likely not getting into execute, etc
winter shoal
Same gear/conditions regarding the dummy as before, got to VC range faster obviously doing more damage
edgy widget
yes it might be the same as you did before
winter shoal
Rotation for sure I was just winging it during RA though
edgy widget
but it's not the same as I'm doing
winter shoal
Oh yes
edgy widget
hence our numbers and relative gains will be different
winter shoal
Sorry misunderstood what you were saying
edgy widget
the sim has better conditions is all, which it leverages to grow the power gap
modest condor
3mil seems crazy high
winter shoal
I was still trying to keep BB on cd during reck which idk if that's right
edgy widget
3mil seems crazy high
it does, except I have absolutely no idea what their target point is either lol
comparing my current gear, i.e. if the patch were to hit tomorrow and I'd keep the same gear & talent build, w/ updated rotation, it'd be about a 7% increase (which really isn't that crazy considering how mid Fury's ST is atm)
dense elbow
What about AoE? As it is more m+ focused
winter shoal
comparing my current gear, i.e. if the patch were to hit tomorrow and I'd keep t...
So 7% just from the raw tuning to abilities, and then the tier set will obvs be more (and ivl and stats and stuff ofc)
That's a question
winter shoal
What about AoE? As it is more m+ focused
I'd imagine slayer aoe with OF probably a little better, thane aoe probably a little lower (as in less of a buff) because no buffs to thunder blast
But I haven't tested aoe at all
edgy widget
So 7% just from the raw tuning to abilities, and then the tier set will obvs be ...
raw tuning and RA change
frank dawn
well no amount of talent changes/relogging/etc is letting me pick up the BB dot nerf. Seems I have all the other fixes but my dot is still ticking every second
winter shoal
raw tuning and RA change
Less than I expected tbh but we'll see how it shakes out ig
edgy widget
I haven't done much with AoE yet, though I suspect M+ will still revolve around Thane, which doesn't prioritize OF anyway
dense elbow
But I haven't tested aoe at all
Tell when you do. Also skip OF, it isn't worth it on live, it ain't worth checking.
I will just take it either way with the dam loss
spiral orbit
How can the tuning only be a 7% overall when most of our abilities was 20% buff
edgy widget
because those abilities aren't the sum total of your damage
dense elbow
A lot of our dam isn't just those abilities. It comes from many sources. There are breakdowns above
edgy widget
and RA was changed completely
lilac temple
and RA was changed completely
Doesn't new bleed make up for it?
unique umbra
Are these things really accurate and updated for relvenacey?
edgy widget
Doesn't new bleed make up for it?
it's not a matter of "make up for it" - the point is that shit changed
keen dove
gushing wound buff when
edgy widget
Gushing is definitely falling down
that's the drawback of these targeted buffs, instead of adjusting the spec aura
tbh they probably need to take out about 1/3 of the damage buffs to those abilities and bump up the spec aura instead
dense elbow
Gushing will prob be adjusted when the profile gets another overhaul. With OF, roar, and so on, if: this isn't the profile they aiming for
frank dawn
all the talented abilities feeling mid af atm
dense elbow
Same, same
spiral orbit
Sidearm buff when lol
dense elbow
Never
dense elbow
Wrecking throw buff when
dense elbow
Reap can still mad proc in AoE tho, so it got that if nothing else.
Don't mind if reap stays behind, if Storm gets buffed.
Never liked reap doing more than OF and Storm on pulls with good RNG
summer quail
Reap can still mad proc in AoE tho, so it got that if nothing else.
Don't mind i...
reap damage on brood
frank dawn
reap does feel a little silly, give it the whirling dragon punch treatment and have it deal bonus damage to the primary target or something to bring it down in AoE and up a bit on ST
slim coral
BT is *much* higher than RB though, so we may just prio it raw
yeah BT gaps
dense elbow
reap damage on brood <:keks:936231610850897992>
I m+, but I presume brood is add boss
modest condor
xan is getting crazy numbers with am slayer compared to ra slayer
summer quail
I m+, but I presume brood is add boss <:peepoHappy:673436349805625364>
yea, this was first kill. reap go brrr
keen dove
if u can really manage it i felt am is crazy good too
modest condor
ra catches up during cds but then it falls back down again
dense elbow
I do like that, AM slayer with 45 sec roar is fun
Lines up with OF, so all kinda pops together
modest condor
yeah but we're not playing OF with current tuning
dense elbow
Even on live, it is a decent 45 sec burst window
modest condor
am has been viable since like 3 months ago
dense elbow
yeah but we're not playing OF with current tuning
OF getting another 40% buff soon. Trust
acoustic seal
no one plays with it tho xdd
keen dove
now that they "hiddenly" nerfed bloodbath dot damage am will be even nicer
acoustic seal
🤨
keen dove
yup
modest condor
that bleed is so useless now wtf
keen dove
and if they buff gushing wound too oh god
slim coral
oh yeah the bb dot cleaves still but it does like no damage
keen dove
give me that anger management
dense elbow
oh yeah the bb dot cleaves still but it does like no damage
What is the % in the reck window, not extended
4.5?
And overall it is 2-3%, that is quite good for being on top of BB dam and CB mods
smoky vale
@slim coral help
acoustic seal
and then your target(s) die before the dot ticks out
winter shoal
Are these things really accurate and updated for relvenacey?
Hekili? Yes it's updated regularly
acoustic seal
dense elbow
and then your target(s) die before the dot ticks out
Low key issue, problem irrelevant
edgy widget
reap does feel a little silly, give it the whirling dragon punch treatment and h...
on the whole, it's fine since it's counterbalanced by Slayer's Strike
keen dove
i mean there are just a lot of talents that needs to be reworked right
sidearm onslaught of roar and spear maybe these things need new stuff or just correct tuning
if these are done right who cares about bt dot tbh
edgy widget
I wouldn't say they necessarily need to be reworked
they've just gotten left behind on tuning
edgy widget
that's a major stretch
edgy widget
opinions are kinda like assholes 😛
edgy widget
and they all stink
dense elbow
Do some PvP and it grows on you, tenderise is quite good burst value
edgy widget
Onslaught's value has certainly dropped, for a variety of reasons beyond raw tuning
dense elbow
OS big dam, enables big dam follow-up, is neat
keen dove
dont get me wrong I was a fan of dragonflight season3 tier set when we press onslaught get enraged big of tier set and rampage-bt spam
yet still onslaught was lmao
modest condor
one of the cool things of onslaught would be to max out slaughtering during spear and get a fat rampage
edgy widget
- jumpstarting the rotation and maintaining Enrage used to be a lot more important when rage generation and enrage uptime were lower
- triggering UF before its nerf was actually pretty goated for awhile
- the ability itself used to do much bigger damage, even outside of the Slaughtering stacks
modest condor
but yeah, undertuned
edgy widget
it's just been outmoded over time, as other changes have taken priority ahead of it
modest condor
imagine the burst of like bladestorm > onslaught > rampage
edgy widget
Fury also used to have more room for the extra button in its rotation, but hero specs largely supplanted that
edgy widget
since now we're working in TClap/Blast and/or a lot more Sudden Deaths
silk wharf
I hope so
modest condor
Is 50% on Exe enough to warrant using it?
mostly keeps it in line with the other abilities
dense elbow
Is 50% on Exe enough to warrant using it?
Not really, as other things got buffed as well
So same as live
modest condor
it got buffed slightly more than rb but not enough to make it an oompf
silk wharf
Unlucky
dense elbow
Give it time, overall tuning is sure to come
edgy widget
Is 50% on Exe enough to warrant using it?
it climbed a bit yes, but will largely be used in the same way - with marked for execution
silk wharf
Surely.
edgy widget
last week, Execute was ~8-9% of Slayer's damage, now it's more like 11-12%
dense elbow
ST, I presume
edgy widget
it's not and never really has been "not worth using" but you're not going to spam it on CD either; a lot of its value still comes from Marked
dense elbow
Marked and the BS amp from SD, if they buff BS it gets more cast value. Esp if we go AM
So we got to wait and see what happens big picture
Personally I love more PvP centric profile breakdown, with exe being real big cast. But PvE is a different beast to balance
edgy widget
you almost always use Execute enough via Marked to maximize Imminent Demise anyway, so that's not really a factor unless you're explicitly trying to game something
PvP has it's own specific modifiers for a reason
dense elbow
Yep yep, different modes. Still, it got what many seem to seek with execute
Just a big hit that slays
summer quail
yeah maybe but onslaught is the dumbest ability I've ever seen
onslaught felt very good in df s2, guaranteed way to get enraged when playing AM
olive wraith
onslaught felt very good in df s2, guaranteed way to get enraged when playing AM
You were basically enraged capped cause ramp spam
summer quail
You were basically enraged capped cause ramp spam
yea but not in the opener
dense elbow
OS had that juicy 100% cleave on top of poping reck tho
modest condor
remember when they tried to fix that and fucked it up even worse
edgy widget
that ended up being an extraordinarily complex bug lol
summer quail
the opener is when onslaught felt great, and you had it every pack
edgy widget
the real problem with Onlsaught has been the common overlap between it and Odyn's Fury
uneven pilot
Are these things really accurate and updated for relvenacey?
Can confirm.
slim coral
well onslaught also doesnt really add anything
edgy widget
you could argue OF doesn't either, it is just raw damage after all
slim coral
Yeah OF is just a cool dam ability
but ons doesn't really have impact when you press it
edgy widget
the point is that when they do the same thing, without any specific build interaction, it's always going to come down to a competition between one or the other
- in Dragonflight we went from OF -> Ons -> OF -> Ons because of it
- in TWW they made a concerted effort to make OF great again, which caused Ons use to drop (among other factors I spoke of earlier)
and that's something they won't really fix without some kind of targeted redesign
smoky vale
well onslaught also doesnt really add anything
why didnt you show up
slim coral
yeah I mean there's ton's of capstones that need help for warrior
smoky vale
i lost because of you
young swan
yummy AM slayer aoe breakdown (no VC)
slim coral
why didnt you show up
wym
edgy widget
yeah I mean there's ton's of capstones that need help for warrior
most of the issues aren't even the capstones tbh, it's the rest of the talents
edgy widget
Fury's tree is really stressed for points, since so many of the talents buff common abilities
slim coral
most of the issues aren't even the capstones tbh, it's the rest of the talents
Side convo since we are talking about capstones I think there are some issues that come from arms and fury sharing major cds in that the specs end up feeling very similar
edgy widget
most of the capstones aren't even that bad tbh, but you compare them to things like +20% Rampage damage or +15% RB damage on abilities you hit every 2nd or 3rd GCD and yeah... they fall flat
slim coral
yeah I just think the capstones don't add much
wanton mirage
It would be nice if they could give onslaught slight edge in ST.
slim coral
which I will look forward too the rework for that to ever be fixed
edgy widget
Side convo since we are talking about capstones I think there are some issues th...
I don't think they feel that similar, but War is bloated with cooldowns atm, and I expect that to be addressed at some point, just probably not till 12.0
dense elbow
yummy AM slayer aoe breakdown (no VC)
BS seems lower than I expected to see, but that is prob cause of the number of dummies
That with 45sec roar?
modest condor
1.5min roar no words iirc
slim coral
I don't think they feel that similar, but War is bloated with cooldowns atm, and...
yeah I agree it's just a point I hope they address to give the specs their own identity
like when you play frost and unholy you feel like you are playing those specs
flavor and all
I just want that to be the same for arms and fury
whether they go a earth based route for arms or add some fire based effects so be it
dense elbow
Fury had that insta burst AoE identity, that not good enough for you, Bazed?
I loved that 
wanton mirage
Make Enrage effect built-in for onslaught. Move OF capstone Dancing blade to Tenderize spot with reduced effect since Onslaught is lower cd.
modest condor
fury has gone through like 5 different identities in the past couple of expansions
slim coral
Burst aoe doesnt really cover the flavor and VFX issue tho
which is something fury lacks imo
edgy widget
yeah I agree it's just a point I hope they address to give the specs their own i...
that was something I really liked about BfA tbh, they really did make them feel individual again
even if the way they got there wasn't great
young swan
BS seems lower than I expected to see, but that is prob cause of the number of d...
what silm said
i just took crit thinking cause execute big dam now
dense elbow
Aight, so things looks kinda the same. OF shouldn't be as bad as one expect then
Saved
slim coral
that was something I really liked about BfA tbh, they really did make them feel ...
yeah BFA was sick
dense elbow
Was afraid that was 2x roar value for a minute
slim coral
I have no knowledge of the specs before bfa
modest condor
i think 45s roar was like 6% of his damage?
young swan
yeah it wasnt great
dense elbow
Sounds about right, 7% ISH before
young swan
the things it was buffing werent great either
dense elbow
Nah, it just helps OF not being a complete deteriment
So by that info, I know I can still make it work ok ish
unreal onyx
Make AM flat cd reduction and buff of
dense elbow
I like AM as is tho, feels more dynamic with gameplay and with mark RNG it pushes storm timings
red berry
honestly reverting the nerf to thunderous roar. like, back to 30% would probably be good for both arms and fury
er
thunderous words
edgy widget
I don't think it'd have any real impact on anything
dense elbow
Revert OF and Roar caps would help
red berry
probably not much. more for arms
edgy widget
it might push arms back towards more bleed talents, though idk if that's necessarily a good thing or not
unreal onyx
I like AM as is tho, feels more dynamic with gameplay and with mark RNG it pushe...
I do agree but AM in raid is just despair
dense elbow
It is, tho, m+ shouldn't be totally bulldozed by it
red berry
im with funky where i only really care for keys which is why i personally only really worry about AoE performance. not that keys are all AoE i just want a spec to be competitive
unreal onyx
For how it is designed right now RA is by far the lesser of the „evils“ between the 2 for all content imo
dense elbow
For Thane, sure. But RA and Slayer feels bad to play
unreal onyx
im with funky where i only really care for keys which is why i personally only r...
Isnt RA in keys stronger than AM in ST/bossdmg too tho?
red berry
i think it ends up narrowing out but atm they're 'competitive' - you're just not reliant on CDs in RA
in 11.1 that obviously is a different story
edgy widget
RA is better on live, not sure about 11.1 yet (after all these changes, I'm thinking RA is probably still better though)
unreal onyx
I‘d rather lose 5% dmg in keys than 20% in raid personally but ofc everyone has their own gameplay priority (made up numbers)
red berry
RA is very consistent, yeah.
dense elbow
AM is on every pull, RA on ever 2. If OF gets a buff, then 45 sec roar, BS and OF together in that space will feel real good
edgy widget
Honestly I think their first version of new Reckless Abandon was best
- stronger DoT, but only affecting the primary target, reinforcing it as the more single target/raid choice
- leaving room for Anger Management as the more multitarget/Mythic+ choice
ornate gust
Are the unannounced Fury buffs in addition to the latest announced buffs?
Or tuning the numbers only?
dense elbow
Added on top, ye
unreal onyx
I just despised DF S2 raid with all the mechanics you lose uptime on boss and then dogged your CD timings for the entire pull
edgy widget
letting the DoT cleave and buffing up the damage of those rotational abilities this much just kinda homogenizes them again, and so one is bound to end up better everywhere again
ornate gust
Added on top, ye
Very interesting 🤔
unreal onyx
Get one mechanic in raid and it’s gg for your dmg since you don’t get your cd‘s back early enough
dense elbow
Just buff storm so AM gets so much better for m+ and we golden in my book
edgy widget
well that's the thing I spoke about earlier
the over emphasis on buffing rotational abilities has caused everything else to drop by comparison, they should probably take some of that damage back out and buff the spec aura instead
summer quail
whether they go a earth based route for arms or add some fire based effects so b...
earth based arms would go hard
slim coral
earth based arms would go hard
yeah some pillar upheavel effects would be awesome
edgy widget
rise.... mountains!
eternal sundial
yeah some pillar upheavel effects would be awesome
Colossus smash but upwards not downwards
Xdd
Assuming old animation
edgy widget
new Arms kit just dropped
unreal onyx
Avatar ahh spec
dense elbow
I just hope the Devs kinda gets to setting the final overall profile tuning tho.
And says so.
So I know what to expect next season
foggy jacinth
Idc about damage I just want arms and fury to be fun
unreal onyx
I expect nothing and propably will still get disappointed
wanton mirage
Are we en enhance shaman ?
eternal sundial
Are we en enhance shaman ?
Tuning and design both dont suggest this
Unless you mean pre SL enha
dense elbow
Idc about damage I just want arms and fury to be fun<:deadge:900279927138578432>
It plays nice, so if you ignore numbers, you should know if the play style for you or not
slim coral
rise.... mountains!
I can't remember what game it is but there is a melee class that has upheavel effects it's either diablo or poe
or both
edgy widget
both tbh
dense elbow
Btw, talking arms, ya think that animation with the 3 magic weapons is there to stay?
I just dont... Like em
oh well, as long I don't play arms, I won't see it
young swan
Just buff storm so AM gets so much better for m+ and we golden in my book <:okay...
that talent cannot be saved
unreal onyx
Never play arms 
dense elbow
that talent cannot be saved
Even Archi on my side in our conflict. You doomed 
fresh jay
I know this is an odd take, been playing warrior 20 years love the class. The only other class I loved more was warrior priest in Warhammer online. The only time I ever healed and fucking loved it.
dense elbow
Name checks out with statement, go on
fresh jay
Healed by getting angry beating the shit out of your enemies and side effect of healing allies. Kind of like ret but Rage resource instead
sinful spoke
I can't remember what game it is but there is a melee class that has upheavel ef...
Lost ark
slim coral
it knocks enemies up around you
sinful spoke
THis effect from lost ark would go hard
Theres a version where rocks come out of the ground
Lost ark has amazing spell effects
Too bad the game is ass 💔
@tidal kindle are u still playing it
edgy widget
earth based arms would go hard
the monkey's paw curls...
dense elbow
THis effect from lost ark would go hard
I get what you going for, but the fire and magic looks not very wow warrior
sinful spoke
What magic
slim coral
*the monkey's paw curls...*
sinful spoke
Thats just lava from making the earth errupt
slim coral
I get what you going for, but the fire and magic looks not very wow warrior
The devs could easily make warrior look great with earth and or lava
dense elbow
Blue sprite thingies
edgy widget
I get what you going for, but the fire and magic looks not very wow warrior
tbf wow warrior has had a lot of fire effects over the years
summer quail
*the monkey's paw curls...*
we take it. better than current arms
sinful spoke
OF is literally fire
dense elbow
The devs could easily make warrior look great with earth and or lava
100%, I am camp make OF do fire 🔥 dam for that look
sinful spoke
Of does fire dmg
slim coral
make bladestorm fire based
edgy widget
- enrage self immolation
- ignite weapon
- odyn's fury
sinful spoke
I want them to make bladestorm bloddy
dense elbow
OF ignites weapon, you get flamestorm
slim coral
yeah that'd be cool too
edgy widget
they could have leaned into the Arms' void theme after Legion too
dense elbow
slim coral
could even go cool chain shit too
edgy widget
which woulda been cool, since void isn't a very well represented element in wow classes either
summer quail
I want them to make bladestorm bloddy
i kinda expected a red bladestorm when slayer got announced
dense elbow
Void in my head belongs to arms tho
dense elbow
Same, would be quite neato
edgy widget
I don't think you wanna go too hard on the elemental stuff, or it just ends up feeling like discount shaman
but a little bit of flavor sprinkled in would be fine
e.g. Thane fucks
edgy widget
na
teal pine
Warbreaker had an upheaval affect like that in legion but they just deleted it afterwards for some reason.
Didnt look as fancy as it does in other games because WoW graphics but it was there.
sinful spoke
Colossus giant themed
edgy widget
- Slayer bloody
- Thane lightning
- Colossus earthy
bright flax
How much am I inting by being in Defensive Stance for a good portion of a key
sinful spoke
Make demolish a giant axe that drops on enemies
dense elbow
Plz no
edgy widget
make Demolish cause the old Warbreaker spike eruption n shit
dense elbow
No more magic summoned weapons
sinful spoke
Thats be sick too
edgy widget
No more magic summoned weapons
actually I think that's a pretty good theme for Warriors overall
sinful spoke
No more magic summoned weapons
Its not magic
dense elbow
Big hammer in my head is paladin
edgy widget
pulling weapons out of your ass is definitely a warrior thing
sinful spoke
Its warrior class fantasy
edgy widget
heroic throw, ravager, spear, sidearm
slim coral
yeah the devs have so much potential to take warrior to great places if they pick a great theme
edgy widget
I would definitely theme it diff from pala
but I would prefer to actually make it an attack rather than a summon
dense elbow
Good thing i said axe
Sure, but ya said drop. Not swung. Wouldnt mind if you swing it
sinful spoke
Sure, but ya said drop. Not swung. Wouldnt mind if you swing it
Usually u drop something after picking it up
dense elbow
Why would you drop your weapon
lime crag
A mirrored image, resemblance of blademasters, to perform moves
slim coral
lava blademaster would go hard
dense elbow
I am torn on that, tho it is very slayer
slim coral
sinful spoke
Thats a spec in poe
slim coral
it's mine now
dense elbow
Think Bazed is just a fellow 🔥 effect enjoyer
slim coral
get yoinked
dense elbow
Tho, I want it more subtle and not pillar of fire kind
dense elbow
More sword on fire 🔥 is what I want
dense elbow
That is DK
sinful spoke
A giant fucking avatar that ducks shit up
dense elbow
Go summon your DK minion
sinful spoke
That is DK <:clueless:1099922541923024997>
Bro is playing a diff version of wow than all of us
summer quail
whether it's earth, void, fire idc
arms void/earth, fury fire/lightning would be sick
dense elbow
I get what you going for, but I don't find that to be very wow or warrior
sinful spoke
It is very both of them
dense elbow
Summoning a stand just isn't warrior
sinful spoke
Like lost ark has these as awakenings for the warrior classes
slim coral
ye the chain one goes hard
bleak bluff
hello my fellow warriors
sorry for being a question freak but has anyone trsted the mew buffs to fury?! are we an A teir melee?!
tested
sinful spoke
ye the chain one goes hard
The slayer one is my fav
She summons the lava monster with a sword that cleaves down the map
dense elbow
Bro is playing a diff version of wow than all of us
If you want to summon a giant from nowhere, that is controlled directly by the users will. That is very DK.
- minion
- control
- summon
Just have it come out of a death gate to spawn
sinful spoke
Actual yap god
dense elbow
Warrior doesn't summon things
dense elbow
Rav is just a side weapon you throw
sinful spoke
And lightning when u clap
modest condor
and a weapon when you heroic throw
dense elbow
That isn't minion summons tho
sinful spoke
And shields when u shield block
nocturne dragon
I just saw the update channel it's like finally 50% to execute damage, way way too late.
sinful spoke
that shit is terrible
Yup
dense elbow
I just saw the update channel it's like finally 50% to execute damage, way way t...
Wdum? It is just in time to keep it like on live
slim coral
I just saw the update channel it's like finally 50% to execute damage, way way t...
it's still ptr
what do you mean too late
nocturne dragon
what do you mean too late
should've been buffed since DF
dense elbow
A sword is heavy front loaded and would work as a big throwing dagger. It spins
It ain't an arrow
sinful spoke
Bro doesnt watch anime clearly
dense elbow
Katana lovers
sinful spoke
Ur logic is invalid therefore denied
dense elbow
Smh
nocturne dragon
I mean surely we already said that the execute not doing enough damage since DF, took them long time to finally "OK we will buff fury's execute 50%"
slim coral
it's only there becasue people would complain if they took execute away
sinful spoke
Execute for fury is a rage builder during exe phase
sinful spoke
Bring back condemn
sinful spoke
It is what we about
Nah
slim coral
Execute is more of an arms thing
sinful spoke
Says the paladin player
sinful spoke
Why worship worthless button
Bladestorm is the main warrior spell
Prot should get it too
Mashallah
sinful spoke
execute has been given to like every class now
^
dense elbow
The reason you don't understand why, is because the same reason you dont understand that minion summons ain't warrior
slim coral
I mean shit even monk has a better pure execute than warrio
dense elbow
You ain't a warrior in soul
sinful spoke
The reason you don't understand why, is because the same reason you dont underst...
Bro
What is an avatar
sinful spoke
What is an avatar
dense elbow
Not the same at all
slim coral
I do not care about what class is what
dense elbow
You are the avatar
slim coral
I just want warrior to be sick
dense elbow
You don't summon it
dense elbow
Plz stop
sinful spoke
Real
slim coral
I think the mentality that this belongs to this class holds cool ideas back
it's the entire reason we didn't get blademaster
sinful spoke
Imagine u press avatar and a shadow army of knights like in solo leveling pops up
dense elbow
If you want other, play other
sinful spoke
U dont even play warrior
outer rover
with new buffs it looks like RA is the way to go for m+?
dense elbow
Yes and no
outer rover
^^
slim coral
with new buffs it looks like RA is the way to go for m+?
both are viable
which one is best is not 100 percent known
dense elbow
AM Slayer works still, but Thane is RA almost 100%
sinful spoke
with new buffs it looks like RA is the way to go for m+?
Delete warrior go ret
Or dk
outer rover
hate pink class
sinful spoke
Ret to replace arms and dk u can replace both fury and arms
summer quail
AM Slayer works still, but Thane is RA almost 100%
idk if that is true anymore. the dot from bb just got annihilated
dense elbow
Check gone totally unhinged, cause we deny his weeb fantasies. Just ignore him
sinful spoke
Check gone totally unhinged, cause we deny his weeb fantasies. Just ignore him
Okay stinky cat
dense elbow
idk if that is true anymore. the dot from bb just got annihilated
Raw dam is still solid, but we will see if Rav on lower CD will be worth
dense elbow
Okay stinky cat
No u
native wadi
Execute buff 50%
summer quail
yea but bt does a shit ton now. idk i'm kinda skeptical about RA being the play in m+ now ngl
dense elbow
yea but bt does a shit ton now. idk i'm kinda skeptical about RA being the play ...
Same, but mainly cause of increased pull sizes. We just gotta test more and see
dense elbow
Sad how overlooked we are
It just got buffed so slayer can press it for marks and not lose DPS, don't worry, it still kinda meh
earnest canyon
Execute buff 50%
They should buff it as execute has been warrior class identity since day1, it's like hunter having a pet or rogues having stealth.
dense elbow
Finally some ppl who get it. Folks with a warriors soul.
native wadi
And one of the not many skills that feels nice to press
Ignoring a proc feels like fking painful design
dense elbow
I like it on one hand, to have some mastery juggling ashen uptime.
I prefer tho, when SD is a "Hell YeAH" big dam press as it procs
Get back to back, and go
earnest canyon
I just loved it in classic /tbc when you got into execute range and warriors would fly up the damage meter.
sour frigate
Cringeon
earnest canyon
I didn't play warrior in legion sadly
dense elbow
15s next 
earnest canyon
What's your rio?
dense elbow
3.1k and some numbers
Once you done over half as 14, you get invited. 15s is a rare occation
sour frigate
Btw, I am getting into 14s now on the regular
how
cheater
im not getting invited with 15s done
earnest canyon
3.1k and some numbers
Damn, nice. I'm at 2.8k on hunter and just kinda gave up. It's too stressful to be fun for me
sour frigate
^
dense elbow
It is not worth the grind. I just doing the PuG route for ,"fun", this season
I do not recommend it
iron plaza
Yo I just woke up and saw that we've gotten undocumented buffs ? Are they reverted yet ?
dense elbow
They still there, we can now kinda keep up with bad locks
And we can pretend to be useful, even with a shammy in the party
coarse widget
:)
mossy fox
Are those enhance nerfs big
dense elbow
20% is what I heard last
radiant plank
Are those enhance nerfs big
mossy fox
gg
radiant plank
Estimated ~5% m+ nerf for stormbringer, 2% m+ nerf for totemic. Single target mostly unchanged. Enhance was OP before this, its still good
From zorthas
mossy fox
is it bc they use other... yeah
white relic
But not for totemic. Only storm
dense elbow
that ain't 20%
mossy fox
was thinking totemic
radiant plank
Back to totemic in all content
slim coral
Are those enhance nerfs big
you know what is big?
The fury buffs
that we got a few horus ago
radiant plank
you know what is big?
You know what else is big, Crits biceps
slim coral
mossy fox
You know what else is big, Crits biceps
😳
white relic
Boss moves alot = totemic bad
iron plaza
Are those enhance nerfs big
Well I am pretty sure they are still stronger in PTR than live, their Tier set is still pretty strong like I saw a 4M Crash lightning crit
white relic
Crit is getting huge legs.
dense elbow
Doubt that by a mile
slim coral
something like that
young swan
@modest condor do u remember my biggest BT crit?
dense elbow
Or we talk raid
coarse widget
ptr won't update for me :< keep getting the error
young swan
Pretty sure archi said we should be stronger than enhacement now
he said theoretically
slim coral
right
young swan
not necessarily in practice
slim coral
tha'ts what it was
dense elbow
Probably raid, ST, ya
young swan
just in general
slim coral
Yeah just in general
dense elbow
I will believe it after testing and seeing it. I had no chance to keep up before
But now I will crush most ppl that is for sure
sour frigate
iron plaza
This is so funny tho, When are they going to stop buffing BT and RB, and take a look at our capstones
Like surely Unhinged cleaving is not stronger than any of these buffs
dense elbow
Never?
iron plaza
Well they are getting buffed every patch since Alpha
While our capstones like OF and Onslaught are sitting in trashcan
dense elbow
Cause goal is to make our profile flat
iron plaza
Like atleast do sth about Onslaught :S
summer quail
Cause goal is to make our profile flat
they're succeeding
fickle bluff
Idk what to think of the changes I need a @sudden tusk video
slim coral
Idk what to think of the changes I need a <@110993922691477504> video
TLDR you went from b tier to S tier
summer quail
Always next expansions heroic week
only first tier will have heroic week so we can get nerfed
dense elbow
True and real, and nerf gonna hit as we already are falling off
Making it extra doomium
young swan
TLDR you went from b tier to S tier
idk about allat
dense elbow
I want some of Bazed hopium
dense elbow
I really want that hopium
iron plaza
last time we looked s-tier from a sim stack was aberrus
So we are not going to talk about this tier at all
After they literally murdered OF
💀
dense elbow
OF still hobbling about
young swan
yeah but we were only bad for like a week
dense elbow
Wdum
young swan
we're still good now
dense elbow
In m+?
young swan
who is talking about m+
dense elbow
Raid we always fine
young swan
Raid we always fine
nathria
iron plaza
Well B tier is not bad to me idk, but we dropped from S tier real quick after 3 nerfs to our cds
iron plaza
3 nerf cycles*
dense elbow
We were too oppressive during HC week and raid
Id what it is
We poked the hornets nest of fragile HC raiders egos
And we got deleted
It was a fun launch tho, I miss doing good damage on my burst
dense elbow
I do 12m, shaman does 30. I do 8m, rogue does 20
iron plaza
nathria
Nathria wasn't very terrible tbh, There were some very good fights for warrior like Stone Legion and Sire, and they were like last bosses
dense elbow
I should raid, so I can get some "we do good dam" copium on bosses
sour frigate
Altimore and cans were nice too
tardy lark
minigame is a meme anyway
young swan
Nathria wasn't very terrible tbh, There were some very good fights for warrior l...
it was dogshit lmfao wdym
young swan
neither spec could do anything until 9.1 was already announced
iron plaza
Idk warrior could've reach top on those bosses
tardy lark
you wouldn't have brought a warrior if hunter wasnt busted and prot sucked
iron plaza
Stone Legion was a Fury boss with consistent Cleave
Same for Sire with Remornia cleaving and adds
young swan
and it STILL wasnt good enough to bring fury on
same with arms
the only reason either guild brought warrior is cause they'd already put resources in
echo cause its revvez, limit cause they thought warrior would get buffed
dense elbow
It wasn't too bad at the tailend after buffs tho prob what death remembers
iron plaza
The reason for bringing atleast one warrior was battleshout and rally obv
dense elbow
And even that was not worth the cost of bringing a warrior at the time
tired orchid
Rip rally
mossy fox
shadowlands rally was cracked
young swan
yeah that conduit was nutty
iron plaza
shadowlands rally was cracked <:critcake:984549832511344640>
Well we had a conduit for it right ?
mossy fox
ya
dense elbow
It was big, true. But it was no 2nd wind on Sludge
Wait, the heck was he called
Rock pillar man
young swan
sludgefist
dense elbow
It was sludge, yay
dapper goblet
blow up
sudden tusk
sour frigate
He he propane
sullen dove
inspiring presence
fading sky
@mossy fox just saw ya fury rage video, how is arms next season? Closer to compete or just ad bad?
I miss big rally..
I still think big rally should exist in m+ content
After i ask this i read huge buffs for fury
stiff barn
<:Aftershock:742631092326236282>
Miss that spell
summer quail
@mossy fox just saw ya fury rage video, how is arms next season? Closer to compete or just ad bad?
junior gale
well fury just got more buffs
mossy fox
<@235809563490779136> just saw ya fury rage video, how is arms next season? Clos...
same as live rly, arms has potential for more overall because it's less capped, but the ST in m+ build is way behind
but after these fury buffs i dont see an argument for playing arms
summer quail
what if you just think arms is a really fun and well designed spec?
mossy fox
then i got nothing for you
undone flower
No more rookery video until patch pls
summer quail
then i got nothing for you
I have the solution for those people. Narcan
frigid zealot
foggy jacinth
Obvs a crystal a ball question but either way, will the fury execute buffs see slayer played in m+ over thane?
south kayak
Thunder blast in the corner looking like 
native wadi
Meanwhile thunder blast
summer crater
Is even the 50% buff enough to use it as thane?
summer quail
Is even the 50% buff enough to use it as thane?
no lol
summer crater
Considering the buffs to the other spells too
native wadi
summer quail
Thunder blast in the corner looking like <:Whuh:1072540013033697292>
if tblast does not get buffed, i can see us going us slayer thane in keys. would prob still lose a bit of aoe, but gain decent st.
summer crater
Maybe I'll use it two times the latest 20 mythic+ runs instead of one
south kayak
if tblast does not get buffed, i can see us going us slayer thane in keys. would...
Btw massacre isn’t really a big gain for slayer right? Because sd procs out the wazoo
summer quail
Btw massacre isn’t really a big gain for slayer right? Because sd procs out the ...
yea massacre is pretty cheeks
fast mural
I love how everyone is assuming fury isn't gonna get nerfed week 2
south kayak
if tblast does not get buffed, i can see us going us slayer thane in keys. would...
I think it’s going to get buffed eventually
summer quail
i wonder if critical thinking is worth picking now
south kayak
They’d have to know how far behind it is with all these rotational buffs, but this is all baseline spec buffs
So they’ll probably do hero talents after
I hope so considering none of our tuning has been for hero talents
summer crater
I love how everyone is assuming fury isn't gonna get nerfed week 2 <:keks:936231...
If it's great in raid it probably will
south kayak
i wonder if critical thinking is worth picking now
Because of CB buff?
summer quail
something like this in pure st with am. this is just speculation, some smarter people can sim
south kayak
Why Am
summer crater
I'd rather be great in mythic+ and mid in raid because then you know it doesn't really get nerfed (unless you're enhancement)
summer crater
As in enhancement getting away with being peak in both
summer quail
so i think the gap is prob pretty close
south kayak
I doubt we’re gonna get nerfed for raid considering we don’t have that kind of profile anymore
That one that’s gonna get us nerfed weekly
You know what it is
are all these buffs live on ptr
summer quail
yes
summer crater
As a warrior watching the hotfix notes after week 1
south kayak
Ok
south kayak
Is it copium to except hero talents buffs for TC or blast later on since they’re just buffing spec baselines right now
summer crater
Is it copium to except hero talents buffs for TC or blast later on since they’re...
Probably
south kayak
execute tooltip, no active buffs or consumables
fast mural
Execute isn't baseline its the slayer identity
south kayak
execute tooltip, no active buffs or consumables
No longer healing
fast mural
summer crater
I'm guessing mimiron raidbots doesn't have those hotfixes in yet
south kayak
“Only useable on enemies less than 20% health”
SD:
Thunder clap and blast would
Have to be buffed by 40%
summer crater
Where did you guys see these unannounced changes anyway?
undone flower
I doubt we’re gonna get nerfed for raid considering we don’t have that kind of p...
There is the ovinax profile, I just hope not a lot of bosses has 45 sec adds
fickle bluff
I'm guessing mimiron raidbots doesn't have those hotfixes in yet
it appears to have them
proven hornet
new fury warrior changes on ptr
summer crater
it appears to have them
Nice
summer quail
There is the ovinax profile, I just hope not a lot of bosses has 45 sec adds
the removal of free odyns from avatar nerfs that decently hard
sour frigate
new fury warrior changes on ptr <:okayge:917646812519739433>
patch we deserve
undone flower
How much blue your sim has
fickle bluff
RA is better
earnest canyon
AM is higher ST for me now
AM is anger management right?
summer crater
Slayer still sims shit for me
summer crater
AM is anger management right?
Yes
earnest canyon
ok thnx
summer crater
AM is anger management right?
1.805 ST and 5.787 MT with AM for me
summer crater
1.770M/5.792M, my results from the latest mimiron build
vs this with RA
earnest canyon
1.805 ST and 5.787 MT with AM for me
so AM is better? i just grabbed the wowhead build and it said take RA
summer crater
This is about PTR
summer crater
Man, if I simmed 1.800M ST right now in my mythic+ build 🤣
earnest canyon
i probably sim about 500DPS lol
opal sapphire
Yea Im going DH for next season because guild needs it... Meanwhile warriors are just getting buffed left and right....
Yea...
earnest canyon
Tell them you are a strong independant man/woman, and they dont pay your sub
What is bloodbath? I cant find it in talents
fading sky
same as live rly, arms has potential for more overall because it's less capped, ...
Meh i had hopes for arms... but this means we back to playing ra as well?
summer quail
Meh i had hopes for arms... but this means we back to playing ra as well?
RA bloodbath dot just got gutted. so i'm not so sure
fading sky
true, but wasnt that coz it could stack unlimited?
so we got more upfront less bleed?
mossy fox
no the dot just deals a lot less dam now
mossy fox
because they nerfed it
fading sky
i meant, WHY would they do that
mossy fox
who knows
radiant plank
🔮
junior gale
you think we know why blizzard does the things they do?
fading sky
i mean SOMETIMES
summer quail
i meant, WHY would they do that
make new idea>new idea is good and strong>nerfs it>leaves
frigid zealot
We want change. Let's do change. Not yet. Fuck too early. PUT IT IN REVERSE TERRY
BB/COLOSSUS MOMENT
Caps
junior gale
I cant wait till next expansion RA goes back on rampage cast again
radiant plank
RA goes to onslaught cast next season
south kayak
Why is everone from Arms here now
ornate gust
Yea Im going DH for next season because guild needs it... Meanwhile warriors are...
I started gearing my hunter last night. Thanks God I didn't buy the heroic raid boost 😅
junior gale
south kayak
RA goes to onslaught cast next season
What if Onslaught cast made RB and BT turn to the RA components for a few seconds
earnest canyon
Transforms bloodthirst into bloodbath
always?
fading sky
Why is everone from Arms here now
coz arms is prob dead in both raid and keys ?:D
earnest canyon
only during recklessness
aaaah ok....idk why the world "bloodbath" isnt mentioned anywhere
south kayak
it is on the Reckless Abandon talent, but maybe that's a PTR thing only
sour frigate
coz arms is prob dead in both raid and keys ?:D
opal sapphire
Tell them you are a strong independant man/woman, and they dont pay your sub
Nah I mean we had a DH this season but he was generally very unhappy playing it. I dont mind it, I think its really fun too. But man all these warrior buffs
I am afraid that you will lose it all very soon tho, knowing blizzard
undone flower
i meant, WHY would they do that
Bc it does too much dmg in their opinion
summer quail
coz arms is prob dead in both raid and keys ?:D
let it be dead. i don't want to play arms without deft experience
south kayak
yo @summer quail are you watching Dan
sour frigate
aaaah ok....idk why the world "bloodbath" isnt mentioned anywhere
Yeah literally one of the main buttons now ..
summer quail
yo <@137307267975479297> are you watching Dan
yuh
south kayak
What talent build is bazee using