Make all execute modifiers baseline
#fury
undone flower
And make it execute the target under 5%
south kayak
What I don't understand, is how they didn't figure out to make this all work with SD instead of a completely new debuff
Are those people getting paid to be developing a class or what
Because this is a terrible job
azure holly
guys am I tripping? if I change my 2nd weapon, it doesn't change my equipped ilvl on the character pane
in the past it would right?
undone flower
Do you have equipped or in bag ilvl on your char panel ?
azure holly
the default is equipped right?
south kayak
This is all Artunias's idea
azure holly
pretty sure they changed that
warm crag
Not as big of a tantrum you will have when dave is done
inner shadow
you and dave can both humbly fuck off
oblique trail
guys am I tripping? if I change my 2nd weapon, it doesn't change my equipped ilv...
Fury's ilvl doesn't get changed on the character panel based on your off hand
inner shadow
i couldn't care less about neither you or the game.
winter shoal
I don't think just making exe stronger would affect priority for fury above the 35/20% threshold - you'd still delay as much as possible for AJ uptime
warm crag
you and dave can both humbly fuck off
Its starting
azure holly
Fury's ilvl doesn't get changed on the character panel based on your off hand
fury only thing then?
also is this a recent thing?
oblique trail
To my knowledge yes
azure holly
like did this exist in say BFA?
oblique trail
It's been like this for a long time
It's still properly calculated with basically every other ilvl tracker though
Like on r.io or wclogs
undone flower
Fury's ilvl doesn't get changed on the character panel based on your off hand
That would explain the free upgrade on main hand but not with other spec with off hands
azure holly
It's still properly calculated with basically every other ilvl tracker though
oh ok
strange decision by blizzard..
undone flower
I understand it tbh
azure holly
I kinda get the logic, but I want people to see my 2nd weapon just went up 20 ilvl
like it's a huge deal
gilded pawn
That would explain the free upgrade on main hand but not with other spec with of...
Nah fury has an exception specifically
People complained in df beta
The fury offhand not affecting ilevel has been in the game for a long time
azure holly
because now when I queue for pugs they won't see any difference between my 610 and 636 weapons
and obviously I just made a huge upgrade, but on paper they won't see it in LFG
oh well
chrome plover
and obviously I just made a huge upgrade, but on paper they won't see it in LFG
...
but even if it did work it'd go up my 1 maybe 2
not really much difference
azure holly
but even if it did work it'd go up my 1 maybe 2
610 -> 636 should be like at least 3 ilvl I think? I can calculate it real quick
chrome plover
You have like 18 item slots no?
i think 16
inner shadow
16
azure holly
16
hollow elk
The fury offhand not affecting ilevel has been in the game for a long time
I always thought Ilvl didnt change for off hands cuz it was an average of all items heh
chrome plover
nah it's because when you have a 2h in main hand it counts as both slots
hollow elk
Tbf I never gave it much thought
undone flower
But that 1.5 ilvl can shorten queue time if it puts you over 630 ilvl or 640
hollow elk
Zugzug
azure holly
math says close to 2 ilvl
chrome plover
1.625 perhaps?
azure holly
623.6 up to 625.3
winter shoal
1.625 perhaps?
big if true
undone flower
Time out the one who finds the real number, warriors doesn’t count
azure holly
galaxy level upgrade right there
chrome plover
i think if i see a 623 guy or a 625 guy in queue im inviting neither :(
undone flower
But between a 629 and 630 your brain thinks differently
azure holly
i think if i see a 623 guy or a 625 guy in queue im inviting neither :(
that's my experience yes
chrome plover
that's my experience yes
azure holly
But between a 629 and 630 your brain thinks differently
exactly I'm chasing that 30 mark
I hate pugging on alts
azure holly
at least fury is a lot of fun in m+
undone flower
The 40% blue in warrior color is not enough for you it seems
coarse nest
Can’t have us disrupting the wizard comps by giving us a form of magic damage
warm crag
can you tell the difference?
shut tusk
can you tell the difference?
I knew
warm crag
change the html text to say fire instead and it will be what you wish for
shut tusk
I was like fuck yeah, my fury burns with fire
Now it's like ok they drop a bit of blood
Fury should be a fire damage spec
Like it's so angry it burns shit
Or this
eternal sundial
warm crag
love the random triple damage combos they started doing
shut tusk
Wtf is cosmic damage
orchid dagger
Yeah, you can use DH to do that one AQ boss because of the Chaos dam
Eye Beam getting multiple ticks
modest condor
i remember killing that one with the jaina trinket
undone flower
Thunderblast is a specific damage type no ?
undone flower
But thunder clap is physical big sad
undone flower
Shamans Stormstrike isn’t actually storm strike damage
Flamestrike on fire mage doesn’t do flamestrike dmg
warm crag
ya ok why would a fire mage inflict phys
undone flower
It’s fire dmg
warm crag
flamestrike is phys
undone flower
Flame strike is phys and fire
warm crag
yes why would a fire mage do phys
with a spell that just drops a bunch of fire on people
undone flower
Because their spell is called flamestrike
coarse nest
It says “strike” right there in the name!
gilded pawn
Meteor should do flametrike damage
coarse nest
Fireball should do ball damage
coarse nest
Too accurate
clever belfry
hot take i know
dense elbow
with a spell that just drops a bunch of fire on people
When you drop a god darned meotorite on ppl
the rock element kinda should be physical
warm crag
When you drop a god darned meotorite on ppl
have you seen flamestrike
you most certainly do not drop drop a meteorite on people
modest condor
execute should execute enemies
warm crag
true
dense elbow
Ok, I will checkmate you. Get a open flame source, heck - put your arm over it, I promise there will be physical damage done to you
:(
Fire is physical, not magical.
coarse nest
Have you seen Warbreaker?? It spews armor out of the head of the target and spawns swords from space that shoot out everywhere
Pretty lore accurate
modest condor
what kind of damage would those hammers do?
gilded pawn
Nature
coarse nest
Blunt
gilded pawn
It’s mystical that my class even does damage
coarse nest
Ehem, this hammer is spiritual
So it only does holy damage
dense elbow
it hurts the soul, no physical effects
Ret got holystrike, where bonk and holy combines for max effect
undone flower
execute should execute enemies
Touch of death should just instant kill the target mortal damage my ass
plush cradle
Does fury warrior have some weird animations? Like moves in place like dh? Is it just nightelfs?
high echo
execute should execute enemies
Make fatality good again
undone flower
Does fury warrior have some weird animations? Like moves in place like dh? Is it...
So we exclude spinning right ?
undone flower
Ah you mean animations that actually moves the char model
winter shoal
Does fury warrior have some weird animations? Like moves in place like dh? Is it...
With high haste I've noticed animations getting wonky, like upper/lower body moving while the other is completely still
undone flower
I don’t think fury has one like dh thingy
I wish demolish on colo had a cool animation for a thing that locks you (when I play prot)
plush cradle
Yeah feels like I'm using bladedance.
modest condor
imagine getting a mount and it's the wrong one http://puu.sh/KnEap/6437b75724.png
couldnt be me
maybe it's time to go back to magical girl transmog
south kayak
Never would have expected that from Silm
modest condor
i cant believe it
south kayak
Reprehensible
winter shoal
Anime is a blight on society 
south kayak
Real and true
thick fossil
Oh man... the petty side of my wants to hit x on every one of them. Cause they would never invite me. lol
thick fossil
It's a 14 Mists
modest condor
do not invite a blue
covert blaze
bet none of those press sac once in a 30 minute key
thick fossil
Too many fotm blues
modest condor
if someone is playing blue and +14 is score for them you probably dont want them in your +14
covert blaze
true looking at logs is good
so many people in title range and they parse blue in raid
thick fossil
Aug are equally sus fotm player
covert blaze
augs get away with murder cause most people cant tell how good theyre doing
thick fossil
Worst part is, so many Aug, Ret, Shaman, have gotten grossly inflated score. Simply due to class.
modest condor
people always say that looking at raid logs for m+ is stupid and like yeah, someone who has orange logs on heroic isn't necessarily gonna do good dps in m+
but im sure as hell not gonna invite that grey parsing shaman
clever belfry
inflated may be the wrong word
you simply get further by playing at X level with good class than by playing at X level with bad class
thick fossil
I don't put much stock into any of the metrics we have right now. All of it can be purchased or carried to.
stoic marsh
Then you really want blue
^ what if they can play but always get their keys bricked -_-
thick fossil
I don't even raid much except for the odd pug. Even I have a 72 average in Mythic
winter shoal
do not invite a blue
every pug mage/shaman is guaranteed ass amen
desert zodiac
Is fury or arms looking better for 11.1?
modest condor
ive only been inside the raid once, running along in a heroic clear with my guild during like the 3rd or 4th week of the patch, and some of those kills are still orange by today's numbers
thick fossil
Is fury or arms looking better for 11.1?
idle ember
im trying to make an end season push to high keys, is arms really better than fury at higher keys rn>?
modest condor
no
thick fossil
ive only been inside the raid once, running along in a heroic clear with my guil...
"running along in a heroic clear with my guild " key words there.
winter shoal
Is fury or arms looking better for 11.1?
Madox said arms better for raid but I'm gonna play fury anyways
Both are mid for M+ it seems (pending more tuning)
ancient osprey
yo guys, are these buffs enough for high end guilds to run two warriors? or is it to early to know?
winter shoal
Yesn't
modest condor
these buffs are enough for high end guilds to consider bringing a dps warrior over a tank one
dense elbow
Too early, but gut reaction is most often: Nah, moar
ancient osprey
winter shoal
Right now on ptr I think balance/lock/BM do approximately 2-3x the damage of warriors
But that's just ptr things
dense elbow
You forgot shammy :v
sonic shoal
Are we doomin or we doomed??
winter shoal
We're always dooming
winter shoal
Have you ever opened this discord server or
modest condor
at least they acknowledged that warrior is underperforming on ptr
we'll see if they do anything more
dense elbow
Makes sense till after all baselines are done, before they iron out the wrinkles
And I mean iron down the ppl doing 50-200% of others DPS
we are the baseline
we will be fine
molten night
Ranged damage is cracked though
all ranged dps?
south kayak
Ranged damage is cracked though
Something's wrong with BM hunter damage, it's just above the roof
Enhance's damage is cracked too
Warlock
winter shoal
Archi do you know if PTR simc stuff is publicly available anywhere?
molten night
MM is in a good place
good to know, ty
winter shoal
Or is it all still on various peoples' forks
edgy widget
Enhance's damage is cracked too
enhance is always bugged one way or another lol
sage karma
edgy widget
Archi do you know if PTR simc stuff is publicly available anywhere?
I mean the PTR branch is public and on raidbots, but most of the work people do on it is individual or in small groups without a lot of crossover - there's no consolidated sims for every class/spec (some still haven't even implemented their changes yet)
there'll be more public info in the next week or two, as we get closer to release date
dapper goblet
Madox said arms better for raid but I'm gonna play fury anyways
dont listen to the guy who plays shaman
covert blaze
dont listen to the guy who plays shaman
gleaming talon
Yikes 😱
I leveled a shaman to 80 for the achievement and thought the class was ask
thick fossil
https://tenor.com/view/cat-cam-cat-camera-cat-wide-cat-wide-gif-1672957067387900...
Traitor.
sudden tusk
if you look right in front of the boss
you can see an aoe explode in mid air on top of the seed
freak bug spot lmao
owned
random hill
haha
frank dawn
Gonna be some great fury notes today boys. I guarantee it
hype hype
frank dawn
coarse nest
forest owl
its normal for warriors to take essence p3 ansurek? with leap yeah?
coarse nest
It’s relatively easy for warrior to do that yeah
warped bone
Ranged tier
coarse nest
We carried heroic week season 1 so now we get to stay bottom frag season 2
dense elbow
No nerfs, it was better than expected. I agree!
opaque falcon
Don’t worry we will get nerfed after week 1
dense elbow
dont joke like that, it is too likely to be true
"too strong for raid fight we designed to perfect take use of that niche, nerf it to being undertuned in all other situations stat!"
frank dawn
Even if the state of execute and our capstone segment of the spec tree is embarrassing imo - the buffs last week does seem to have the spec in a decent spot damage wise
dense elbow
Depends on what you compare it to, the outliers, the median, and if outliers: what end spectrum?
quiet geyser
Even if the state of execute and our capstone segment of the spec tree is embarr...
Thats a broad statement though. Did you see critcakes latest vid?
Mind you, don't know if that's more telling of fury being bad for m+, or enhance just being broken😅
covert blaze
"too strong for raid fight we designed to perfect take use of that niche, nerf i...
just had a stroke
ty kitty
cerulean hornet
That video had me depressed
frank dawn
Enh is obviously stupid, but they did get nerfed. I have no idea what that means for them lol
dense elbow
As they did silly numbers, even better than live - that was to be expected :v
quiet geyser
The fact crit was getting destroyed on even 5 target pulls is disheartening. Idc if fury is target capped.. but it realistically should be absolutely pog at that specific cap then
quiet geyser
Not always. There was a time when fury was a 4-5 target king
dense elbow
I actually dont remember that, when was that? And you sure we werent just good DPS overall?
quiet geyser
Bfa, most of shadowlands
dense elbow
I cant say I remember being 5t king and not having ppl blast me out of the water. But I will take your word on it, as I dont remember it.
cerulean hornet
The idea of having to reference a timeline 4-8 years ago should say something.
quiet geyser
DF was when fury kinda lost its niche, mostly to being kind of outdated while legit everything else got reworks
earnest ether
I wouldnt say Fury was especially good in 5 target situations in most of shadowlands. The seasons when fury was good we were good in general
dense elbow
Just make meatcleaver a 100% cleave, and have the other classes cope and seethe as we say: "Just pull more bro, just pull more bro"
opal sapphire
Should just be a soft cap like so much else.
Or at least increase it to 8 targets like outlaw bladeflurry
dense elbow
I dont dislike that we got our ST bound to a 5t cap. We should just get more power into our other AoE parts of the kit
More OF dam, more Roar, more Blast - not more reap tho, that already too RNG and powerful.
silk wharf
I could see something along the lines of fury hitting so hard with two two-handed weapons that the strikes reverberate aoe damage instead of "cleaving" the strikes.
paper ivy
how bad is playing powerfull enrage on queen? i ve seen some poeple play it. i feel like it does more damage for me but get less exceute procs than frenzy enrage
oblique trail
how bad is playing powerfull enrage on queen? i ve seen some poeple play it. i f...
It's technically better to run powerful, but frenzied is infinitely more consistent
opal sapphire
I felt so old and slow with powerful tbh.
oblique trail
And from personal experience, I've had no issue doing damage or parsing with frenzied
In fact I'd argue the consistency from frenzied will on average lead to higher DPS on Ansurek
covert blaze
fair swallow
Idk if it's just me but it seems like no one wants a fury warrior for m+
inner zinc
We dont really offer much. Why take a fury when you can take a ret
dense elbow
Idk if it's just me but it seems like no one wants a fury warrior for m+
Spoiler: Other classes do more dam
we brought for dam
we fail at our purpose
hollow raptor
hey gang, have broodtwister egg at 639 and its 11k dps upgrade on sim compared to 626 sacbrood but I'm not sure how effective I'll be able to play around the stacks, im progging queen and wondering if its even worth equipping because of how little i can see myself minmaxing the stacks on such a hectic fight. is there a way I can sim at basically full movement stacks to see even if i played as bad as possible if it would be an upgrade?
paper ivy
It's technically better to run powerful, but frenzied is infinitely more consist...
yeah frenzy feels whole much better
fair swallow
we fail at our purpose
so either play a different class or suffer and wait for buffs
smoky vale
or play with a group
dense elbow
Just do your own key, play with friends, or ye
suffer
Forgot about getting boosted
you can do that
fair swallow
been trying to find a consistent group
dense elbow
It aint easy; if you got no base to build it upon - I highly recommend starting out building as a tank
it is the easiest way to form ppl around you
high echo
Idk if it's just me but it seems like no one wants a fury warrior for m+
Why would they
Capped aoe, mid dmg, bad utility
Any good burst aoe we had got nerfed legit 5 times because the raid had a lot of adds
dense elbow
Malo gonna be poked all night 
fair swallow
high echo
Fury was nerfed even before going into tww
fair swallow
atleast we're getting a decent buff next patch
fair swallow
on the ptr rn most of fury's main damage abilities got a 20% buff
dense elbow
You talking about the aurabuffs on Ramp/BT/RB and OF that are there to undo the damage to our DPS the changes did?
high echo
It still looks grim with it
fair swallow
ik it's not the greatest but a buffs a buff
fickle bluff
thats peculiar because you posted an image of you reacting to the changes
but i couldnt find any
:)
placid adder
Blizzard just saved warrior
meager gyro
fickle bluff
ding ding we have our first @edgy widget
meager gyro
I don't get it, didn't we already get these changes ?
smoky vale
burnice
meager gyro
sudden tusk
https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-frodo-alright-then-keep-your-secrets-sm...
lemme overlook them
fickle bluff
there were no changes this week
sudden tusk
im gonna be on some hard cope
fickle bluff
blizzard did something and wowheads auto-parser just picked them up again
runic cypress
there were no changes this week
Undocumented changes: Reverted fury warrior buffs
frank dawn
They just go back and forth every week until patch release and we’ll see where we finish
slim coral
I’m confused were the changes not implemented last week?
sullen dove
https://tenor.com/view/burnice-zzz-zenless-zone-zero-zzz-burnice-burnice-dance-g...
hot dog
runic cypress
I’m confused were the changes not implemented last week?
You were supposed to manifest them into existence by willpower
undone flower
I don't get it, didn't we already get these changes ?
that's how ptr works, they do tuning / hotfix here and there and then they do a full patch note to sum up wtf happened
it's like every couples weeks
edgy widget
that's how ptr works, they do tuning / hotfix here and there and then they do a ...
not quite, they were actually in the full build last week as well
undone flower
i was trying more to explain why the bluepost states things already in the ptr
edgy widget
it's the other way around, the bluepost stated new (though already announced) changes, while the spell diff picked up stuff that was already there
undone flower
okok i thought it was a post thing bc like the animation thingy seemed already on ptr, thx!
wary iris
question im goign to mess around as smf any one got a build or do i just wing it??
wary iris
what i thought as well
frank dawn
what does unhinged do with bloodbath in this build xd
fickle bluff
asking the real questions now
clever belfry
https://tenor.com/view/burnice-zzz-zenless-zone-zero-zzz-burnice-burnice-dance-g...
burnice explode
sudden tusk
fickle bluff
still cleaving the dot
clever belfry
warrior needs to perish
fickle bluff
real
frank dawn
can't wait for it to get "fixed" the monday before the patch releases
clever belfry
world would be better without warrior
oblique trail
warrior needs to perish
kaboom
acoustic seal
i still want the bloodthirst bleed to ignite 
oblique trail
:3
frank dawn
with mages actually having a dev does anyone which spec is good for them on ptr
or are they all good or what
hallow cipher
warrior needs to perish
clever belfry
no :3
covert blaze
with mages actually having a dev does anyone which spec is good for them on ptr
probably a question for the mage discords
verbal garden
When using the Vicious Contempt build, do you Reck/Avatar then charge? Or charge first?
sudden tusk
When using the Vicious Contempt build, do you Reck/Avatar then charge? Or charge...
Reck->charge->Rampage->Ravager->Avatar/Roar-> Tblast-> Crushing Blow-> Rampage=> Normal prio
fair swallow
Do warriors have a dev?
undone flower
Do warriors have a dev?
no one has 1 single dude for his class
or the dude has the best job in the world : 20 min of tuning and 6 digit pay check
dapper goblet
madox for yellow
sullen dove
open yellow slot madox for yellow
smoky vale
hi ishm
sullen dove
yelo
smoky vale
check dms in a sec
oblique trail
<@&257983573498265600>
clever belfry
steamsconmmunity
willow cradle
Darn bots
clever belfry
is crazy
dense elbow
MY MONEY
smoky vale
it was not me
oblique trail
andaballs is crazy
flat cargo
Can people stop clicking these links lmao
smoky vale
I SWEAR IT WAS NOT ME
clever belfry
surely theyd just use the link embed feature and cut out the https:// at the start instead
in 2025
....
clever belfry
andaballs is crazy
smoky vale
GUYS IT WASNT
oblique trail
andacrime
smoky vale
DTOP PLEASE I DIDNT DO IT
willow cradle
Lmao did someone actually click it
flat cargo
Every acc that posts it has clicked it
willow cradle
Oh
smoky vale
Every acc that posts it has clicked it
help
willow cradle
I misunderstood then
fickle bluff
idk maybe ban just for safety
young swan
why are u tweaking
smoky vale
idk
clever belfry
fakelinktext.com
like this links to google, they could just do this
smoky vale
woah magic
surreal mirage
young swan
wowzers anda tech wizard hjackermen
clever belfry
whole yacht
What did I miss
willow cradle
They should just use links disguised as images with the caption saying don't click me with your middle mouse button
whole yacht
Someone post a scam link?
willow cradle
People would fall for that
smoky vale
Funky. Why didn't you ping me?
you missed 2 actually
smoky vale
real
dense elbow
I was 9 of those
smoky vale
dense elbow
Just gotta press the link, ez
dense elbow
Redeh
whole yacht
Ready
whole yacht
It called me gay 😦
smoky vale
resl
whole yacht
Dang
dense elbow
I would, but for some reason I lost access to all my accounts
whole yacht
Dang
summer quail
I would, but for some reason I lost access to all my accounts
they're just transferring the money before they give you the accounts back
dense elbow
Oh, that makes sense. Wouldnt want the money to go stale
smoky vale
yarp
surreal mirage
yo ass thought
whole yacht
To go stale 😂
surreal mirage
Yapping too much
blissful delta
is mythic sac and brood egg troll? I've been runnin 626 transmitter and myth sac
feral ivy
hmm talents been moved in PTR (i just got to it so im behind)
smoky vale
is mythic sac and brood egg troll? I've been runnin 626 transmitter and myth sac
ask the robot but i think transmitter stronger
blissful delta
I did sim it, its identically the same (within 1-2k dps). I've never used the egg, is it as annoying as transmitter?
summer quail
even if it simmed within 1-2k of transmitter i would not swap transmitter out. transmitter burst is more important
feral ivy
which is better? or
the undermine is is guess renown gear and thbe enforcer is mythic raid
royal copper
Hey im new here - really tryin' to learn furry warrior hard.
- Can i ask a question here about Bloodcraze?
sour frigate
furry warrior 
warm crag
ye don't have to ask to ask just send it
royal copper
Do i aim for a 5x stack as a MUST before throwing bloodbath?
winter shoal
No
warm crag
you pretty much don't play around bloodcraze currently
winter shoal
In general you want to always use your crushing blow and bloodbath every time you can
Unless you aren't enraged
fickle bluff
you pretty much don't play around bloodcraze currently
actually you use bloodbath quite extensively
sour frigate
warm crag
<a:chatting:1266019851743399996> actually you use bloodbath quite extensively
ok explain how it actively affects my rotation please!
covert blaze
spongie noob
silk wharf
i have edited my comment to make myself seem smart and you seem stupid
thats smart and big brained.
feral ivy
we going to have to put a point in sudden death next season 😦
royal copper
Here is my mid rotation:
Thunderclap --> Raging Blow x2 --> Rampage and end it with Bloothbath as my "4th whirlwindstack" <- And repeat... Is this totally uncorrect?
silk wharf
When cleaving you just keep up the cleave and maintain your single target priority (for the most part)
sour frigate
^
winter shoal
Here is my mid rotation:
**Thunderclap** --> **Raging Blow x2** --> **Rampage*...
The wowhead guide will let you choose which talents you're using and will adjust accordingly
royal copper
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps
yeah ive seen it.. ok! im tryin slowly again. Everyone says it very simple.. problem is it, i just haven't been able to.... hammer it in me yet, i think i overanalyze it ^^ Thank you
high echo
It's got a nice rhythm to it, you'll be fine
silk wharf
A lot of the time it's hitting rampage into the 2 empowered buttons into another rampage.
winter shoal
yeah ive seen it.. ok! im tryin slowly again. Everyone says it very simple.. pro...
For the most part your rotation is just
Rampage -> Crushing Blow -> Bloodbath -> filler to generate rage up to 100+ -> repeat
The only things that change in aoe are that you use whirlwind/thunder clap to maintain your stacks, and use thunder blast when you can
sinful spoke
vault blesses me after prog isover
royal copper
Oh no way!
while setting up WA - server goes down.
What is the est. wait time normally?
humble plover
ooo piece of candy
clever belfry
133333333333
oblique trail
What is the est. wait time normally?
If it's just weekly maintenance then roughly 10-15 min usually, sometimes a bit longer
fossil cloak
Anyone else feel like DF Fury flowed better? We had great burst every 45ish seconds (I'm thinking S2) but heard S3 was even better
royal copper
If it's just weekly maintenance then roughly 10-15 min usually, sometimes a bit ...
Perfect - was making a tracker for buffs..
- Now when im looking around, the Luxthos Warrior WA, pretty mush shows it all.. should be fine, right?
oblique trail
Haven't used it in a long time but it should be fine ye
royal copper
Haven't used it in a long time but it should be fine ye
Do you use another one tho?
oblique trail
I use Atrocity
royal copper
I use Atrocity
Checking..
oblique trail
Which is behind a twitch or discord sub
royal copper
Oh yeah! i see..
oblique trail
It's only the convenience I'd say it's better than the rest for, since it covers all specs and other qol things
But realistically any of the WA packs will accomplish the same thing, just different ways of showing it
royal copper
Yea.. alrighty 🙂
summer quail
Perfect - was making a tracker for buffs..
- Now when im looking around, the Lu...
i use that, just made it a bit smaller since it was abit big for my taste
royal copper
Do you know wowanalyzer?
- In that case, it isnt really useful for M+, correct?
summer quail
i don't even know if wowanalyzer is up to date. i know @winter shoal was tinkering around with it
fluid pollen
did i see fury got some more love today ?
modest condor
👀
winter shoal
Do you know wowanalyzer?
- In that case, it isnt really useful for M+, correct?
Wowanalyzer should be reasonably reliable (at least the timeline view marking inefficient casts) for pure single target fights, and it's not very useful outside of that
@summer quail ^
dense elbow
Anyone else feel like DF Fury flowed better? We had great burst every 45ish seco...
If you want great burst every 45 sec, Slayer with 45 sec roar and AM is that. Don't forget SD to make sure 3x stacks for your 45 sec Bladestorm
You can also go AM mountain Thane, and you got S2 DF Fury, only with more of a punch
royal copper
Wowanalyzer should be reasonably reliable (at least the timeline view marking in...
Alright - yeah in that case, i can see im not looking out for my Enrage.. holy shit already learned alot being on this discord here for 2 hours ^^
winter shoal
Alright - yeah in that case, i can see im not looking out for my Enrage.. holy ...
It will basically tell you if you're doing the important parts of your single target rotation correctly (using your CB, BB, and execute properly), I'll update it for 11.1 to handle any rotation changes and maybe look at making more enhancements then
modest condor
anybody on NA can tell me what their tooltip damage of execute it outside of combat?
dense elbow
Why no EU bros? 
now I am curiouso
modest condor
because of this http://puu.sh/KnFJm/c725d45487.png
dense elbow
EU ded
modest condor
they're deleting eu servers confirmed
dense elbow
What about oc or cn?
royal copper
Sanctioned by Trump taxes 
dense elbow
Trump taking away WoW from the markets
modest condor
damn the timing
modest condor
👀
winter shoal
That's in queen spec
dense elbow
Now show RB with mods
royal copper
Seems like they forgot to make the Vault @modest condor LUL
royal copper
Ohh! lol okay.
modest condor
yeah for some reason they made reset not line up with maintenance
summer quail
that's way higher than mine
winter shoal
Now show RB with mods <:sadge:820202363359854633>
winter shoal
that's way higher than mine
I have raid buffs and flasks and shit on
modest condor
👀
winter shoal
For AJ uptime
summer quail
I have raid buffs and flasks and shit on
i have battleshout on
winter shoal
Skill issue
dense elbow
Very low mast/vers I see
winter shoal
Also vantus
summer quail
Very low mast/vers I see
10% vers, 45% mastery
tho mastery is kinda pointless in this discussion, since it's unbuffed
dense elbow
True, true
modest condor
dense elbow
Smoll
summer quail
that's my tooltip when enraged
dense elbow
PvP enabled, it could be
Exe actually does more dam than RB there
PvP Devs knows what is up
winter shoal
Exe actually does more dam than RB there
You talking about me or silm? I'm in raid rn
Oh that might be it mutou
Finery buff
modest condor
damn pvpers
dense elbow
Being all happy doing actual damage with rampage and execute
summer quail
Finery buff
oh if finery adds then yea that checks out
modest condor
doesnt pvp have like 50% value from crits
dense elbow
And 4 million damage rampages
(Odyns is even smaller in PvP tho, so prob a bad idea)
modest condor
any RAM enjoyers? http://puu.sh/KnFM9/5bb401b009.png
dense elbow
9% left, you ain't optimizing
sudden tusk
any RAM enjoyers? http://puu.sh/KnFM9/5bb401b009.png
mfw marvel rivals
junior gale
any RAM enjoyers? http://puu.sh/KnFM9/5bb401b009.png
you should download some more ram silly
unkempt grotto
do you need to be behind things to avoid parrys, or is that some shit i internalized from 15 years ago.
sudden tusk
do you need to be behind things to avoid parrys, or is that some shit i internal...
still true
: )
fathom wolf
If you have two warriors on ansurek mythic how do you gaurantee you get the spell reflect on the platforms?
young swan
as long as ur in it u reflect it
it only shows up on details for the first warrior but it shows up on logs for everyone
fathom wolf
Ahh ok
young swan
its just details being fucky
but if u want the details juice just stand closest to the add
unkempt grotto
unless you have a trickster rogue slave
whats that do?
fathom wolf
lol got it
modest condor
no i hacked the game to give myself a 50% execute buff
sour frigate
still not enough
modest condor
gotta start small otherwise people will think im cheating
junior gale
@edgy widget Whats the likely hood those fury numbers are just last weeks tuning besides the execute buff
modest condor
oops i accidentally hacked it into everyone except for just myself
hybrid summit
Are the latest buffs in addition to the similar prior buffs (were reverted but now back)
royal copper
I've made this Macro
#showtooltip /cast Recklessness /cast Avatar /cast Mark of Khardros /cast [@player] Ravager
--- Seems to be working just fine - should i do any order adjustments?
also.. any other suggestions for macros?
sour frigate
id go [@cursor]
smoky vale
its time!
modest condor
i cant believe nobody caught on when i was asking about execute numbers
summer quail
i cant believe nobody caught on when i was asking about execute numbers
we are too 
modest condor
true
edgy widget
<@61282228017041408> Whats the likely hood those fury numbers are just last week...
they are not
junior gale
they are not
crazy was fury that down bad havent payed much attention only arms
modest condor
yes
summer quail
they say that if you can count to more than 5 you cannot be a warrior main
dense elbow
I am just sad exe missed the mark by 1%
Will be fun to test PTR later today tho
modest condor
also execute is most likely still too weak
considering the abilities it was competing with have also been buffed twice now
summer quail
still gigadead button for thane
modest condor
slayer needs an extra buff to execute in its talent tree
edgy widget
been singing that song for awhile now
summer quail
tru. i would like it to be prio over rb at all times, but it is what it is
steel geyser
Are the duplicate 20% buffs actually real??? Or is it just a repeat of last weeks post but no changes?
violet condor
wish they could buff onslaught or odyns next...
dense elbow
I do worry a bit how the damage profile is panning out. But hopefully with these we can keep up with the ranged
summer quail
wish they could buff onslaught or odyns next...
hey odyns got a 15% buff. surely it is good now 
winter shoal
any RAM enjoyers? http://puu.sh/KnFM9/5bb401b009.png
Do you only have 16gb of ram or
modest condor
no
violet condor
15% doesnt even cover the loss of avatar with it let alone losing the 2nd one kek
modest condor
do you think i only have 3 applications running or
winter shoal
Archi are fury buffs already on ptr or
winter shoal
do you think i only have 3 applications running or
yes
young swan
yeah
modest condor
understandable
slim coral
Fury about to be goated
young swan
nah
slim coral
edgy widget
15% doesnt even cover the loss of avatar with it let alone losing the 2nd one ke...
Berserker's Torment does compensate though
modest condor
i mean we've had our core rotational abilities buffed by 40-50% now
edgy widget
you didn't just lose Titan's Torment, you traded it for another talent
and got +15% on top
modest condor
i havent done any math on it but i think that's at least 20% overall buff to our dps
edgy widget
today's changes or total?
modest condor
total
edgy widget
cause today's changes aren't +20%
ok
yeah maybe, I think the last round was like +8% or something, and this one is a little bigger via Execute
violet condor
so will these buffs make us mid now at the very least?
edgy widget
I mean Fury was already pretty close to Arms
summer quail
now just leave arms alone, make it a fury tier
edgy widget
I have no idea what Blizz target point is though, tuning is all over the place
we're above DK, theoretically over Enh but in reality lower (kek)
violet condor
now just leave arms alone, make it a fury tier
last tier was a fury tier tho
violet condor
enhance has needed a like 20% dmg nerf since the .5 patch cant belive there still doing so much
violet condor
all tiers should be fury tier
arms is fun with crit at least
royal copper
When i hit Crushing Wund on targets - is the target output amount random?
summer quail
arms is fun with crit at least
arms has some fun stuff, big hits is fun. but it also has a few really frustrating elements
edgy widget
Crushing Blow?
edgy widget
When i hit **Crushing Wund** on targets - is the target output amount random?
all class abilities have a built in +/- 2.5% damage range, in addition to whatever de/buffs or other modifiers might be active at the time
violet condor
arms has some fun stuff, big hits is fun. but it also has a few really frustrati...
pressing mortal strike with 2 overpower 2 executions precision and no crit is sadge itd be cool if for every buff u had was a like 5% increased crit chance
summer quail
pressing mortal strike with 2 overpower 2 executions precision and no crit is sa...
yee... and losing juggernaut stacks right before going into execute phase
dense elbow
I am just glad they finally show that they are aware execute needs help
Today a good day for Fury
I am worried that OF will be a 100% loss vs VC in m+ value now tho, as the gap keeps widening on brought value with these changes
royal copper
all class abilities have a built in +/- 2.5% damage range, in addition to whatev...
So it depends on the range towards the target?
sullen dove
fury double buff? 
junior gale
well see how long these buffs last
slim coral
Till heroic week
junior gale
no heroic week
sullen dove
aint no heroic week this time
junior gale
so its dying before ptr is over
summer quail
correct
dense elbow
Prob will stick, if they trying to adjust our damage profile. Then we get aura nerfed as needed
slim coral
Guys it was a joke
sullen dove
sullen dove
yea
edgy widget
So it depends on the range towards the target?
no
it's # +/- 2.5% also affected by armor, buffs, debuffs, etc
willow cradle
Big text
summer quail
did bloodbath dot get buffed as well? no right
edgy widget
did bloodbath dot get buffed as well? no right
no, actually got nerfed from 180 -> 60%, but it ticks 3x as fast, so it's the same overall
red berry
no buff to odyn feels goofy
inner zinc
Or onslaught. I think blizz forgot that ability exists
edgy widget
no buff to odyn feels goofy
OF already got buffed
sullen dove
still sucks no
red berry
by 15% - yeah?
dense elbow
The value brought by OF is less, when talents that buff BT is now even worth more thanks to bigger impact in the overall profile
So ye, OF isn't weaker itself, just when compared to options
It kinda feels off, when OF already isn't brought. If that makes sense.
Still, execute got some stabilisation. So we happy 
red berry
yeah exactly. every single buff further values VC
winter shoal
Exe buff doesn't really affect slayer I fear, you still want to delay pressing it as long as possible to keep AJ uptime
Until you're actually below 35/20
red berry
the execute buff is nice but its still not gonna be presesd yeah
winter shoal
Doesn't affect gameplay*
dense elbow
Still won't feel as bad when you press it, so I take it
modest condor
execute basically just brought it back up to the levels of bt and rb
this isnt enough to make it a woah button
you know, rb getting buffed by 20% twice
vs execute buffed by 50% once
dense elbow
It was falling very far behind
winter shoal
execute basically just brought it back up to the levels of bt and rb
Even if it does the same damage, you will actively avoid pressing it
edgy widget
that's not entirely true
winter shoal
avoid pressing it until the last reasonable moment*
edgy widget
the buff is meant to restore its value to more or less what it is on live right now, which is still probably weaker than it should be, but is not the same as "actively avoid pressing it"
winter shoal
Raiding rn
edgy widget
avoid pressing it until the last reasonable moment*
I mean that's not really the prio either
winter shoal
What I meant was more that SD frequency/AJ duration is tuned such that you can't afford to press exe immediately regardles of its damage, no?
You only do for MFE stacks to get the BS cdr
edgy widget
you don't even play AJ most of the time
Fury does use Execute as a filler, cause you don't always have BT/RB available
again, it's probably worse than it should be, but it's not delayed until the last second - with Sudden Death on top of ID, it's often used earlier than 3 stacks anyway
dense elbow
I am just excited to see the next step of then adjusting the DPS profile
winter shoal
If the proc rate of SD were increased or AJ duration were increased, you'd have more wiggle room to press exe early though
sullen dove
of double damage buff where
winter shoal
Whether they want that or not idk
dense elbow
of double damage buff where
I am more worried about bladestorm, when BTs from unhinged is the real damage power
feral ivy
do yall pronouce "melee" as may lay or me lee
edgy widget
If the proc rate of SD were increased or AJ duration were increased, you'd have ...
proc rate increase doesn't help if its' not worth pressing lmao
sullen dove
I am more worried about bladestorm, when BTs from unhinged is the real damage po...
i mean still during bs who care what does the dam
sour frigate
do yall pronouce "melee" as may lay or me lee
may lee
sullen dove
just that it does dam in the burst window
winter shoal
proc rate increase doesn't help if its' not worth pressing lmao
Agreed, but just increasing the damage doesn't inherently increase the amount of times you'll press it
sullen dove
just uh... dont
sudden tusk
what leap
sullen dove
sudden tusk
the plat or the ring
sullen dove
ansurek
sour frigate
git gud
dense elbow
i mean still during bs who care what does the dam
AoE Vs ST, and AoE is where we need help. Our ST in m+ is fine, and BS should be big on AoE. Moving power into the ST element of it not productive
sullen dove
if the bt dot cleaves seems plenty aoe to me 
dense elbow
That is my fear, that RA will just make AM even on AoE pointless
craggy grail
Not sure about the BT/BB dot feels weird
If they keep the initial hit strong and bring in a dot along with it i think it would help our aoe quite a bit
Still issues with execute though as usual
sullen dove
y you still hit bb in execute vicious contempt is our only execute
edgy widget
Agreed, but just increasing the damage doesn't inherently increase the amount of...
well it does
if you didn't increase the damage, there's a very real chance we wouldn't hit it at all
it also makes the times you do hit it worth more
buffing SD's proc rate doesn't do jack or shit
as we've been saying since the start, what they need to do is buff the damage further, and/or (preferrably) move damage out of RB and it's interactions
dense elbow
I am very much in the camp of, if you don't want to press execute on CD in execute phase. The ability has failed it's core purpose.
SD should feel like a 'hell yeah!' moment each time.
Failing that, just make the Slayer Synergy with RB and delete execute as a button.
sullen dove
jus turn execute into onslaught
longer cd but actually does something
sd feels good, not as frequent presses in execute phase but you want to hit it as much as you can
sullen dove
and why not just slap like a "your next bloodthirst does double dmg" after execute
double down execute synergy
lets get a 1000% damage bloodthirst 
stack all the modifiers
inner zinc
Id rather not they nerf RB just cuz execute sucks
sullen dove
inner zinc
Rb feels gud to press. Make execute feel gud too
winter shoal
mythic queen DEADGE
dense elbow
If you want execute to do dam, it must be moved into the profile. That damage % on the breakdown must come from somewhere. RB is a good place to take it from
sullen dove
execute good if onslaught
dense elbow
mythic queen DEADGE
Gz! 
inner zinc
Just make execute share synergies with some of the RB talents so execute replaces RB in execute phase along with VC BTs
royal copper
it's ``# +/- 2.5%`` also affected by armor, buffs, debuffs, etc
Not 100% sure what you mean here?
clever path
ALSO got mount so big happy night
dense elbow
Just make execute share synergies with some of the RB talents so execute replace...
Then why not just have RB have VC? It is just an extra bind at that point
inner zinc
Wouldnt be opposed to that tbh
dense elbow
Fair
steel geyser
are our execute talents worth taking after the buffs?
edgy widget
Not 100% sure what you mean here?
every ability has a number on the tooltip, which is just a guideline, actual damage is affected by a wide variety of different factors including
- enemy armor
- various buffs on you or the target
- various debuffs on you or the target
- in addition to ALL of that, the number can be +/- 2.5%
sudden tusk
wait i just saw that update
dense elbow
are our execute talents worth taking after the buffs?
Same value as before(live, more or less), how so?
steel geyser
50% dmg buff to execute on ptr
steel geyser
well... i mean they need some more but hopefully not so much that we get gutted due to something in raid
sudden tusk
second to last boss is execute coded as fuck
dense elbow
Well, that is the direction the profile is going. So ya in øuck
young swan
doesnt really matter for us cause we arent an execute spec
just a spec that presses execute
sometimes
edgy widget
I mean Fury's execute has been an enabler more than a raw damage button for like 6 years now; it's really not exactly new
inner zinc
I dont ever wanna be raid bis after what they did to us this tier
young swan
no im not saying its new or anything just that the last boss being an execute boss doesnt really matter for us
its a moot point
dense elbow
If they keep buffing RA in that dream scenario: I can only wonder what BS and AM buffs would have to happen
bleak bluff
we got another buff?!!! But the discord channel seems a bit too gloomy what am i missing?!
young swan
why would bladestorm need to be buffed
dense elbow
We happy Howie
slim coral
no im not saying its new or anything just that the last boss being an execute bo...
Vicious contempt gonna be pumping tho
dense elbow
why would bladestorm need to be buffed
Either you give what AM reduces CD of, value to male AM better. Or AM itself must increase in effectiveness.
Buffing BS/rav also helps making our profile less Ramp/bt/rb focused.
young swan
yeah but why would they need to buff BS if they buffed RA (by making the BB bleed benefit from VC)
dense elbow
If RA value up
nimble ermine
bs needs to actually do its full damage in one tick
young swan
what does that have to do with buffing BS
i feel like u just have no idea what ur talking about ever
i know why they would need to buff AM if they buffed RA
thats obvious
dense elbow
It is a alternative tuning knob for AM
sullen dove
any knowers if ulg intermission ticking down affects parse
or just dmg during up phase
dense elbow
And the added effect, as I menntioned
sullen dove
i think i saw that intermission is omitted
and only active boss dam time
but unsure
sullen dove
would leave for some sussy shenanigans of holding for cds
well yea boss dam but like, TIME
young swan
It is a alternative tuning knob for AM
dont think that is ever the answer
like
literally ever
cause its an aoe CD
summer quail
any knowers if ulg intermission ticking down affects parse
it does not. intermission counts as downtime
up to 3 roars
whatever the hell that means
young swan
i love when WCL just randomly sticks their nose where is doesnt belong for fun
just leave shit alone
stop being stupid
dense elbow
cause its an aoe CD
And AoE is what I want to see improved for m+, so you know and understand my line of thinking
dense elbow
Sure, we could redesign that aspect. Wouldn't help AM tho
AM would strictly be even worse
edgy widget
any knowers if ulg intermission ticking down affects parse
ulgrax intermission is complete dead time, nothing counts during it
sullen dove
naise
upbeat plume
have they changed the huge duration stacking on the bb dot on the ptr at all?
edgy widget
they changed it a little
upbeat plume
the tick rate in the update channel right?
upbeat plume
way I read it, same duration faster ticks
young swan
no its the same
sudden tusk
kinda hoping for a shorter duration same damage
nimble ermine
can it be cleaved now or still nah
sudden tusk
mobs will die before it finish ticking
upbeat plume
er
young swan
wasnt it already doing 1 tick per second? i thought the change was to 1 tick per 3s
upbeat plume
nah other way round, at least per the update note
but not really nerfed as its doing the same damage in the same amount of time
young swan
yeah its the same
but im pretty sure it was ticking once per second prior to today
i'll just log in
upbeat plume
I was more curious about the duration stacking part if that had changed which is gonna be interesting if it goes live
young swan
nah its still uncapped
dense elbow
Hey, making it a number spam sounds like silly visual fun
winter shoal
Does bb bleed get affected by ava?
young swan
should
upbeat plume
it should and it will if it isnt right now
upbeat plume
yeah something like that
dusty cove
How much of a difference is the change to bloodthirst bleed?
dense elbow
As described, no DPS diff, it just ticks more often
dusty cove
Oh okay, I'm bad at maths 😂
dense elbow
Just think of it as many small numbers faster, than bigger dlowe
dusty cove
That's alright then. The other buffs are in addition to the most recent buffs to RB and rampage?
dense elbow
Ye, on top
upbeat plume
yep
dusty cove
Huge
upbeat plume
which shows that we were in a really sad place but should be better now lol
dense elbow
Huge indeed
upbeat plume
cause thats like almost 40% total buffs to all our major abilities
over the course of the two hotfixes
modest condor
yep
nimble ermine
cant wait to stack a gorrillion amounts of bleed only for my target to die in 10 seconds
dense elbow
They just adjusting the profile, don't worry about output Vs others
dusty cove
All for blizz to nerf is to the ground after one AOE raid fight
dusty cove
cant wait to stack a gorrillion amounts of bleed only for my target to die in 10...
That's my concern, that it will be awful in m+
dense elbow
If this is their tuning fix for our DPS output. We just doomed in m+
upbeat plume
dots and consistent damage are good the higher you go in m+ and the new RA is waaay bursty then what we currently have
summer quail
cant wait to stack a gorrillion amounts of bleed only for my target to die in 10...
yea for lower keys AM definetely the play
nimble ermine
yea ik i was memeing
dense elbow
Dont forget that BB itself also just hits harder
nimble ermine
thane in lower keys already kinda meh to play
upbeat plume
I will be curious to where the specs fall in strength though
dense elbow
I worry more about mid-high keys, than low ones
When AoE pulls last, and we do 5t cleave mainly, as that is all that is buffed
We gonna get stomped
dense elbow
Let's pray for BS/rav and OF buffs
upbeat plume
I mean our target cap has little to do whether the new RA will be good for m+
summer quail
our st damage in keys actually gonna be cracked now
upbeat plume
thats just a base level problme
upbeat plume
our st damage in keys actually gonna be cracked now
sadly I have doubts blizzard will ever let us do any real ST they seem super consistent in making sure arms is better ST then us in almost all situations
dense elbow
Sure, still won't save our trashclearing tho. Especially now that pulls are bigger, with casts and busters removed
So either we kinda just get to be focus target killers, and only play Thane.
Or Slayer gets some more AoE killing power through Storm and AM
summer quail
sadly I have doubts blizzard will ever let us do any real ST they seem super con...
in keys fury has outdone arms for several years now in st
upbeat plume
furys one strength I guess, we do piss poor ST compared to most but we dont lose much to go full aoe lol
feral ivy
So I’m doing court for first time I know how red side is but is blue side any different?
swift cradle
It’s easier
dense elbow
In m+ context, our ST always been quite solid
upbeat plume
not really just different directional movement if your not one of the web folks
modest condor
In m+ context, our ST always been quite solid
i think this season has been an exception but yeah this is like the first time since i started playing that fury's st has been kinda mid in m+
feral ivy
Nah not part of the web team thankfully
modest condor
but that's also partially because the meta is just that overtuned
dense elbow
^
I just really really hope we not shoehorned into the ST/5t path of sustained damage.
OF/Storm/Roar was a ton of fun
But if the diff in output increases more, even I cant justify it for m+
young swan
man tblast really sucks now
upbeat plume
?? they changed it
sudden tusk
suprised it didnt get buffed
young swan
nope
sudden tusk
they keep buffing everything but tblast