fury

[winter shoal]

Not 5

Or if you're below 35% with VC

(which you should use on ptr)

[charred estuary]

Yeah figures

I keep waiting for the day where BT is just better 100% of the time and RB is like overpower for arms

dont know why they want us doing calculus to choose a builder every global

[remote bobcat]

classic wow style BT would go hard

[charred estuary]

I just want it to hit hard man

same with ramp

[remote bobcat]

yes we would all like high hitting individual dmg buttons instead of lots of random small numbers popping up

but thats wow for ya

[charred estuary]

well no I mean multi hit movcs are fine

I just wish the priority was a little more intuitive

20% buff to BT dam and Ramp or something so you never waste rage and you never let BT sit on CD

[winter shoal]

Just throw the 2 conditions which affect BT vs RB into some weakaura conditions and have it glow when it's good to press it

Noooooo my steam giftcard

[charred estuary]

I mean yeah that definitely works its just silly

[winter shoal]

Gone before my eyes

[modest condor]

my gift card nooooo

[winter shoal]

Swordish on his glizzy goblin arc?

[clever belfry]

shut up burnice

[sullen dove]

what the FUCK

[crystal coyote]

btfo retris

[sour frigate]

[young swan]

PTR RA is better than live RA

before the buffs

also the idea that the buffs are somehow gone from existence is insane. which is more likely: A) they deploy buffs for all of 5 minutes and realize that fury is just too strong (one of the worst performers in raid testing) or B) they didn't mean to implement the hotfixes and just reverted them so they could deploy them with the next build

I know critical thinking isnt our strong suit but come on

there are other things to get mad about

[clever belfry]

2/2???

olly shit d00d

[winter shoal]

Sir I think you're posting in the wrong channel

We don't 2/2 CT here

Oh I just realized you were responding to Xan

Case in point I think

[vague cedar]

In no world is ptr ra better then ra it does way less damage what are u talking about

[young swan]

it literally mathematically is better

just because sims arent public doesnt mean they arent being done

[vague cedar]

have u actually tried it ? it feels bad now

[young swan]

feel is a different argument

[winter shoal]

[young swan]

it is better

[winter shoal]

Xan do you even play fury

[vague cedar]

this guy clearly doesnt know what hes talking about

[young swan]

and I have tried it and actually prefer it

[vague cedar]

like ra is actually horrible

[young swan]

cause it makes my cooldown better

[vague cedar]

in ptr

[winter shoal]

RA thane opener feels like a mess with new RA for sure

But slayer not bad

[vague cedar]

they literally said they think RA is too strong so they want it to balance with AM

and u think they buffed it?

is interesting

thought process

[young swan]

they did

dont think they said it was too strong

[winter shoal]

Not to glaze or anything but I'm like 99% sure Xan knows more about the theorycrafting going on behind the scenes than you bud

[young swan]

think they said it was too universal and unintuitive

[winter shoal]

(and more than me too)

[young swan]

but i cant remember their exact wording

[winter shoal]

Btw Xan how do you feel about UF with RA slayer

Like dropping 1 in deft for it

[young swan]

think UF is just bad all around

[frank dawn]

UF still sucks

Shit never procs

[young swan]

pretty sure there are better talents to take

[vague cedar]

In what world does it do more damage when ur getting buffed for 12 seconds during ur recklessness

[young swan]

it procs like once every 2 min on average or something

[vague cedar]

compared to a constant buff to 2 of ur 3 main buttons

it absolutely makes 0 sense

[young swan]

reck is 24s if ur playing real talents

[winter shoal]

Also the BB bleed wasn't a thing with current RA right

[vague cedar]

ya even 24 sec

[young swan]

correct

50s bleed doing 150k per tick is pretty good turns out

[vague cedar]

it still isnt as strong as current RA man idk what +10s ur doing to make u even think that

[winter shoal]

I mean headcleaner like you're allowed to not like it, but if you want to say it's mathematically not as strong you gotta provide some numbers man

[vague cedar]

but in high keys 24 sec is nothing

[young swan]

sims that say its on par/a little better than current RA make me think that ptr RA is better

[vague cedar]

The same could be said about xantaga

look

i would be glad if iwas incorrect

but it just doesnt look like that

[young swan]

you are

[vague cedar]

i would hope that its stronger

but its just not stronger man a constant buff to ur main buttons is not gonna be weaker then stronger buttons during 24 sec cds

like i said maybe in lower keys where things die fast

[young swan]

who is talking about keys

[winter shoal]

AM thane in keys angle anyways

[vague cedar]

sure but in higher keys the constant strength

[radiant plank]

mickey mouse gamemode 🥱

[winter shoal]

TRUE

[vague cedar]

im talking about high keys

[young swan]

higher keys would actually lend itself to RA much better

[vague cedar]

not raiding im talkin about mt ra

[young swan]

longer lived adds = more time for BB bleed

which cleaves btw

(for now)

[radiant plank]

if u play fury high keys u already trolling

[winter shoal]

[vague cedar]

walhe

just yapping

[woeful spade]

@young swan im joining the brotherhood

[young swan]

also, with those buffs (that are definitely still coming), baseline BT and RB will hit as hard as live BB and CB

so

[radiant plank]

stating facts

[vague cedar]

how sure are u those buffs are still coming

[mossy fox]

based i feel the same

[young swan]

.

[winter shoal]

Walhe I need you to tell your connections at blizzard to make demolish not root you

[radiant plank]

no

[young swan]

it definitely still needs god cause we're gonna waste more rage than we are now which is insane but I like my RA making my CD a real CD

[sudden tusk]

Colossus m +

Arms teir

[winter shoal]

yucky

[sudden tusk]

Get ready to spam execute

[mossy fox]

ya

[winter shoal]

Me when I have to stand still for 2 seconds while the ground is a literal minefield

[thick fossil]

Is this copium?

[young swan]

no

[vague cedar]

yes this is all hard cope

[pulsar quest]

I haven’t seen any mention of the new RA rotation

[young swan]

u can think that

[pulsar quest]

Is it just spam BB

During RA

[young swan]

pretty much

[pulsar quest]

Or just BB-CB-BB-CB

Do you just not use bc

Cb*

[winter shoal]

I've been doing BB > CB > ramp only to maintain enrage

[young swan]

I dont press ramp unless if im capping on slaughtering strikes or running out of enrage

[charred estuary]

dogshit design lmao

[pulsar quest]

But do you hit cb also

[young swan]

have to

[charred estuary]

Im so tired of overcapping rage as fury

[pulsar quest]

Okay I thought so

It feels a little weird

But

[young swan]

its a bit quirky

[pulsar quest]

It just needs getting used to

[charred estuary]

How hard is it to design a spec that wants to press the spender

[pulsar quest]

The alternative is playing AM and just spamming rampage for the first 15 seconds lol

[winter shoal]

Blizzard: RA creates unintuitive gameplay
Also Blizzard: changes RA to still be unintuitive

[charred estuary]

RA was never the culprit, rampage is simply too weak/ doesnt have enough synergy

[winter shoal]

RA has been the culprit for the last 2 expansions

I didn't play SL so idk how it was before then

[young swan]

its a combination

[charred estuary]

If rampage did twice as much damage as CB/BB would you press it

Would you -ever- overcap

[young swan]

if u make ramp too strong then u dont care about CB/BB and if CB/BB are too strong u dont care about ramp

pick ur poison

[charred estuary]

I pick my spender doing damage

[young swan]

then RA cant exist

[charred estuary]

great

[young swan]

or the version of RA that buffs generators

which I agree

it shouldnt exist

[pulsar quest]

Then you’re stuck with AM which is just dump rage as often as possible which isn’t terrible I guess

[charred estuary]

RA could just also buff rampage during reck

[pulsar quest]

I do kinda miss AM gameplay

[young swan]

i dont

[charred estuary]

then you dont change rotation and RA still matters

What if RA made rampage have an extra 5th hit or something that made it better than any other button that isn't a CD

problems solved?

[young swan]

I think one-dimensionally pressing rampage is cringe and boring

[young swan]

they cut the 5th hit out cause it interfered with the gcd

[charred estuary]

could be a separate proc like reap

ezpz

[pulsar quest]

I don’t mind the idea of bloodthirst being our big button as fury

[charred estuary]

that too is fine

[pulsar quest]

Opposed to MS being the button of arms

With rampage being the 2nd prio, like execute is 2nd prio in arms

[young swan]

so just giving t21 tierset to RA

[charred estuary]

Doesn't have to be that

it could even be boring like during reck ramp hits 33% harder

just anything to avoid cring overcapping for a 6th tier in a row

[summer quail]

i think RA should just be reck grants % crit damage as well as its normal things

[charred estuary]

I do like that RA makes the builders do different things

I just don't like that rampage sucks so those different things are the be all end all

They could even revert the UF changes so that ramp matters because you want to roll the dice for more reck uptime

-anything-

[gleaming horizon]

generally speaking, i love the new RA, feels great, but i'm also in the camp that rampage should always be the best button to press when its available outside of a rare high stack/proc scenario

[charred estuary]

^

[hollow elk]

meanwhile survivor hunters > * i just press anything as long as i got kc stacks *

warriors having to actually use their brains

[charred estuary]

I mean I would argue that RA in its last few iterations has been minus brain

You press crushing blow or BB basically no matter what

[pulsar quest]

RA was very brain dead this last tier

1-2-3

Over and over

[young swan]

hate to break it to u but fury has been braindead since bfa

[charred estuary]

I liked the OF tier

with the 3 big BTs

didnt like that you had to play anni also but the tier was good

[pulsar quest]

I’m a big fan of MT this last tier because I like the buffed ants

BTs Jesus

Autocorrect

The massive BT crits with BoP and VC were so nice

[lost bison]

braindead good

think required bad

[hollow elk]

^

[summer quail]

🐜

[pulsar quest]

Lmao

How BT gets autocorrected to ants is beyond me

[charred estuary]

I mean surely blizz knows that fury is a dedicated easy spec

[pulsar quest]

iPhone things I guess

[charred estuary]

up there with BM

[pulsar quest]

BM is in a tier of its own for easy

[charred estuary]

we can debate whether we like it or not but they definitely seem to view us that way

[amber bear]

Does it make a big difference in terms of DPS depending on which race I play? I'm currently playing Tauren and am considering whether to switch to Blood Elf or Mag Har Orc.

[dense elbow]

Not a big one, a minor at best. Chose what you think look cool, if you not looking for spesific use case things; like stoneform or meld

[amber bear]

Thanks.

[dense elbow]

@young swan I am sad to say, OF back from 2mill to its 1 million numbers

[smoky vale]

[high echo]

Original Fury required a decent amount of finesse, I think that's my favorite version (didn't play legion)

[young swan]

did u ever check the # of hits

[dense elbow]

Ye, checked the combatlog, was basically twice the numbers of what is now

Actually a bit more, but hey

It is over, back to OF being just decent

[young swan]

were u for sure not hitting a 2nd target in your first test

[dense elbow]

Ye, tower dummy

I will do some keys, maybe it happens again. Who knows, if it does I will poke. If not - it was prob just some weird PTR being PTR

[flat river]

lets goooo

29% on queen mythic

3rd phase almost

[dense elbow]

[hardy bluff]

29% and not p3?

holy

[flat river]

no

it is third phase

i man like

third phase almost donme

[hardy bluff]

ah

gg

kill soon

[flat river]

next week kill for sure

[trim hound]

Good luck chief

[covert blaze]

you got it

[lapis shadow]

Any tips for someone whose gonna start queen?

Idm if too late or not

[crude ridge]

You can reflect the beam coming from the add on platforms for big dam. That's about the only thing that kinda stands out.

[candid falcon]

wait you can spell reflect Expulsion Beam? the beam?

[crude ridge]

I don't remember the name but yeah the beam the add shoots out that can one shot you if you get yonked into it

[candid falcon]

i knew you could spell reflect the cast that roots you but that's good to know too

[flat river]

ask someone who killed queen :D

i just watched videos

from critcake PoV

[crude ridge]

It doesn't show on logs but it does do damage to the add. Like 8mil dmg

[flat river]

yeah

u can reflect beam

[sour frigate]

gamer moment

[sour tundra]

was there anything being done about the big jump in difficulty from +11 to +12 keys?

for season 2

[warm crag]

why would they

anything after +10 is just to flex

[sour frigate]

[covert blaze]

that jump is the point

[sour frigate]

+12 crest farm

[flat river]

today was a good day

raided with a new guild and got queen to 29%

and got elite in PvP

😎

[sour frigate]

gamer gg

💪

[flat river]

i did not choose the warr life

it chose me

[winter shoal]

In addition to what others said, you get a meta achieve at 2850 (which is like half 12s/half 11s) that makes your keys not deplete below 12

Means you can push your own key with much less risk, at least up to like 3k

[eager thorn]

any charge bug enjoyers

[latent mason]

HOW

[eager thorn]

i wish i knew

[summer quail]

lmao

reminds me of this madox clip https://www.twitch.tv/3madox/clip/FancyConsiderateWebDatBoi-lwtFQl_Bt28QKieq?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time

[eager thorn]

hahaha what a great raction

[dapper goblet]

madox for Val'kyr

[junior gale]

I love that bug happened to me a lot on Fyrakk prog

good ol 90 degree angle charge

[eager thorn]

its so good i had to do it twice in one charge

[smoky vale]

my favorite madox clip is zhai spam pinging to cc in ara kara while madox is

#fury message

[winter shoal]

Fun when it happens on silken court and you tokyo drift into someone on the other team

[frosty orchid]

got the Mount today ❤️

[modest condor]

grats

[frosty orchid]

thx ❤️

[polar remnant]

hell yea grats gamer ^^

[sinful spoke]

LOL

this happened to me during neltharion

[smoky vale]

hi cheche

[sinful spoke]

hi gio

[covert blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/activating-sandevistan-david-martinez-cyberpunk-edgerunners-slows-time-down-super-speed-gif-26917413

[sinful spoke]

real

[young swan]

me when hawkeye pops ult

[covert blaze]

not enough of a loser to play rivals so i dont get it im afraid

[summer crater]

Skill issue, turn away from the boss next time

[sullen dove]

usurp xan

[dapper goblet]

madox for yellow name

lotta freeloaders with that rank in here

[sullen dove]

lot of old hire nepo babies in here

not doin the work

[smoky vale]

zhai for blue

[glad coyote]

so the fury buffs got reverted???

[compact knot]

yes

[glad coyote]

on the ptr?

[summer quail]

yes

[glad coyote]

wtf why

WHY

[compact knot]

blizzard sucks

fury probably has a high chance of being buffed soon at some point though, just not sure why they reverted it

[glad coyote]

like i just dont understand, cause on the PTR we are very low compared to every other class

[warm crag]

probs pushed an update too early

[smoky vale]

At this point no reason to think about it

Just wait for the next build

Who is build

[pulsar quest]

Gio = ???

heard a rumor about this guy...that he was somebody else

[smoky vale]

Incorrect

[acoustic yoke]

Gio = Dio

[smoky vale]

Andussy is spreading false claims

[hallow sphinx]

candy bar

[dapper goblet]

blow up

unless?

[hallow sphinx]

explode

[sudden tusk]

mugen

[smoky vale]

gillneas

[coral quartz]

does the new rings gems count as different gem colors for the meta gem?

[sinful spoke]

no

[covert blaze]

real

[sinful spoke]

cheche for yellow name

[sudden tusk]

Bury me in a cardboard box

[hasty tide]

Blizz trying to keep their kill streak alive

Cant buff us

[sour frigate]

Hows paladin 3.1%

[sour tundra]

got invited to a key then kicked for a meta class

life of a warrior

[sour frigate]

Ye i got kicked cuz "gb14 is too hard"

(took a mage who did less dmg and buttons than me)

[rose bay]

FREEDOM

[sinful spoke]

Grats

[rose bay]

No strafe no problem!

[eager thorn]

How do u know how much dmg they did if u got kicked

[slim coral]

gz

[rose bay]

TY!

Now to finally learn my rotation

[crude ridge]

Probably a log

[dense elbow]

Dont need logs. We all know what stated is a fact.
It is known.

[sour frigate]

I did a key with them being told "will do next if good party" monent

[verbal garden]

Taking VC over OF is for more ST, correct? How does the opener change? Rek->charge->ramp->CDs?

[crude ridge]

VC wouldn't change your opener

[eager thorn]

It does if you dont take OF for vc

Cos titanic rage the point past of makes of enrage you

[verbal garden]

Sorry, was also assuming taking torment too. since it you don't get insta eraged

[eager thorn]

Yes

[broken hornet]

grats!

[rose bay]

ty!

[polar remnant]

relatable..

[gleaming siren]

Relate deez (gm)

[woeful flume]

So we are not getting any buffs 😪

[summer quail]

if we are, they are likely announced tuesday/wednesday

[sour tundra]

Patch is like 3 weeks away idk if we will see any changes at this point 😞

[granite crown]

This sounds like cope, ain't no way it's 3 weeks away

[unreal onyx]

After plunderstorm event, no?

Like mid-march I thought

[granite crown]

Plunderstorm is over Feb 18th though

In theory could be Feb release by that token (TGP and Plunderstorm over), but I feel like they would've given release date if it was that early.

[unreal onyx]

True, I still need my CE

[chrome plover]

im coping that it's feb

need content asap

[gleaming siren]

The date I've been hearing tossed around is Feb 18 patch

[river reef]

[summer crater]

So basically play rogue or mage

[unreal onyx]

Mage always on top

[river reef]

except this patch

[gleaming siren]

The fact that we talk about mages not being good for one season more than we talk about mages being good says it all

[clever belfry]

i think mages need a buff

[gleaming siren]

Yes

Buff DrAnda

[clever belfry]

andalf man

[unreal onyx]

Buff mages, they were down in the dump for long enough

[gleaming siren]

Run you fool

[nocturne salmon]

mages are good and always have been

[restive granite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1326809946997919805.webp?size=96&animated=true

[glad coyote]

where does this info come from?

[hasty tide]

Some random post on competitive wows subreddit

I did zero fact checking so take it with a grain of salt lol

Also another fact to remember is classes with 3 dps specs are more likely to be meta since they have more opportunities for one of the specs to be bis

[chrome plover]

it's since bfa btw

not just this season

[thick fossil]

Hmm, interesting. I mean, I don't know if it's 100% accurate but it's prolly close.

[thick fossil]

It honestly surprising that Mage hasn't been super buffed this season. I think this is the longest time I've seen Mage be mid.

[hasty tide]

Isn't frost an s tier m+ build?

If that's mid, I hope warrior becomes mid lol

[sour frigate]

Frost is giga in m+ and good in raid

[frank dawn]

Aren’t both fire and frost still a tier

[hasty tide]

Which is hilarious cause most mages you see in keys are god awful

[hardy bluff]

this is about the top keys

[granite crown]

Enhance and Aug are probably the only S-tier

[hardy bluff]

not just whats good

[hasty tide]

Yea it's specifically a meta check

The class being top 3 in dps for m+

For all seasons since bfa i think

[granite crown]

Frost DK, Balance, Elemental A-tier, competing for the 3rd spot basically

[hardy bluff]

its assa and boomkin mostly

or a 2nd enhance

[granite crown]

Ah yeah assa too

[hasty tide]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/s/gSYYCA8TUk

For those who want to see the methodology of the guy who made it

[dense elbow]

Thanks for data that supports my view on things

https://tenor.com/view/meme-collection-robot-gif-12434608

[fast mural]

our time will come

[dense elbow]

It won't, you know it. I know it. If we shine at a niche, we get nerfed. We shine on overall, nerfed. We underperforming? Nerfed

[hardy bluff]

just quit if thats how you think about the game

[dense elbow]

It is true tho, it happened this season if you don't remember.
You could say "if it hinders your enjoyment" sure

Not everyone cares about being number one. Doesn't change the fact it happens

[hardy bluff]

yea and warrior was still good on all important fights

[dense elbow]

Yep, this is the classic raider Vs m+ situation

As data was m+, m+ is the topic tho

(I am in camp, don't Nerf the class in all content, for it being good on certain boss fights)

[warm crag]

idk you're hard coping if you're still complaining about warrior not having a sticky meta spot in m+

its clearly hard favoured to casters in the first place if you have had 9 years of m+ existing at this point and havent figured this out then you are lost

[dense elbow]

I don't complain about not being meta. I complain about being nerfed, cause raid

[hardy bluff]

actually because of heroic dungeons at first

[dense elbow]

Yeah, community uproar was huge

Imagine ruining ppls HC dung experience

With only 1 button, clearly toxic for the game

Every Dungeon another DPS gave those accidic dripping comments

told em it would be fine when m+ comes out
They didn't want to hear it
They don't get how things living longer affects dam profile value

[warm crag]

random people in hc dungeons certainly had an effect on fury getting nerfed

[dense elbow]

Was quite the stirr on the forums, discords, basically everywhere

Still, burst was too potent for the raid. Untill logs removed the pad, ppl really just saw Fury as Uber broken. Without questioning the value of the damage number shown.

Nerfs good for the raid? Perhaps. For m+? No, it killed Fury till it got buffed weeks on weeks later.

Even now we still quite weak.

[queen solstice]

honestly the nerfs were never needed in the first place, when they happened no one really had gear or tier, especially the fast that our tier was terrible and basically everyone elses was much better ours

if the devs gave it time warriros would have shaken down to be good but not busted

[dapper goblet]

[warm crag]

cope harder

[queen solstice]

i mean you can say that but Its true

[fickle bluff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1301506844312862810/ccu7dbw-ezgif.com-speed.gif

[queen solstice]

we were never "busted" just really good front loaded and add damage

everyone elses boss damage is much higher

[warm crag]

no spec should ever be 50% ahead of any other spec on any specific fight

[queen solstice]

right but it still happened with enhance shamans though

[dense elbow]

Raider Vs m+ strikes again

[hardy bluff]

m+ balance is a meme man

[warm crag]

when was enha 50% ahead of the 2nd best performing spec on any fight

[queen solstice]

when they god gear and tier

[dense elbow]

This after or before logs removed pad dam

[queen solstice]

im speaking about during heroic week everyone freaked out about warrior but again all of the other classes and specs would have caught up

[warm crag]

wdym they god gear and tier this is week 2000 of the season everyone is bis geared and i dont see enha being 50% ahead of the 2nd best spec on any fight

[queen solstice]

got*

[dense elbow]

You need to specify content, Red. They think you are arguing the raid situation

[warm crag]

probably talking about raid considering this boss damage statement

[dense elbow]

In raid we were and still partly are, quite strong at what we do and is brought for

[warm crag]

fury st in keys is pretty good comparatively

[queen solstice]

the point im making is that the nerfs were a knee jerk reaction in heroic raid

my bad

like heroic week specifically

[hardy bluff]

you can totally get title as fury in keys

[queen solstice]

for sure can with a consistent group

[dense elbow]

Ark, I won't talk about the raid. If you don't say things about m+
If you are 20-30% behind other DPS on performance, ya ain't really fine. Even if through dedication you can push it.

[hardy bluff]

thats the m+ disease every class needs to do big aoe

legit cancer on this game

[dense elbow]

If we didn't get nerfed for the raid. We would be in a better spot. Nerfs needed or not aside.
Do you agree to that at least?

[queen solstice]

keys are a whole other issue, warrior bring practically nothing, so we needed to be the best at damage to be brought

[hardy bluff]

yea ofc but still not meta

[hardy bluff]

utility is a meme

[queen solstice]

i mean is brez and lust a meme?

[hardy bluff]

yea your aug and prot pal bring it

[dense elbow]

Prob not, but we would be a lot more viable. Especially in burst friendly dungs.
Glad we both basically agree. Just different camps

Raid vs m+, the forever struggle

[queen solstice]

warriors will always have a raid spot regardless of their damage due to shout and rally

but keys is a whole other thing

[fleet forge]

Hey guys, im pretty new to Fury and M+. I got 1500 M+ score today and i noticed my dmg is very inconsistent, so im looking to optimize it a little. (probably alot, since im new)

Do i prio Rampage over BB and RB if im already enraged? Do i prio all RB stacks before BB or the otherway around? Ive been doing Rampage everytime I can, even if im still enraged, i then pop 1 RB then BB and then all the RB i can untill i can Rampage again. Is there a netter way to do this?

[dense elbow]

Oh booi, that was a messy read.
If you play reckless abandon, use both BB and CB before you ramp, no need to spend all your RB charges.

You rampage to crushing blow and bloodbath (improved raging blow and bloodthirst)

Then you use raging, blood or execute to allow you to rampage, so you can use CB and BB

[fleet forge]

ah, thank you. Im ESL so my text can be a little wonky. Thank you for the advice.

[dense elbow]

No worries, just follow the prio list on WoWhead and you should do just fine.
If you still got questions just throw em in here

[fleet forge]

Would you recomment Reckless abandon? My build atm is directly imported from Wowhead, slayer M?

[dense elbow]

It probably already have RA, no? But yeah, that is the usually most efficient pick for m+.
I play AM, but I have built around it

[fleet forge]

yes, im using RA. I had to check =l

[dense elbow]

If you play Slayer, your dps will be very much around bladestorm windows. So remember to line it up so you got avatar running or you use Odyns Fury to gain avatar, and then storm.

Your burst will varry based on reap procs, and is out of your hands. So don't worry about seeing millions of damage more or less.

It is what it is. RNG.

[pulsar quest]

Only way you’re coming close to title as a warrior this season is if you’re running with a dedicated team

You’re not pugging anywhere close unless you’re an outlier

Sorry just commenting on an above post

[dense elbow]

No worries, we kinda ended that convo tho. As we agreed, only different content focuses

[pulsar quest]

Yup

I would say at this point in the season you can honestly play whatever fury build until the keys that are actually considered high

If you want a fun build for m+ AM thane is really enjoyable and you pretty much have cds every pack

[dense elbow]

For you Fury boys with xp, I heartly recommend AM slayer, with execute talents and no RB.
It is so fun

5-10% less DPS, but you will prob still top your PuG runs

(I avg the same 1.6m overall in either build, that is 2m for you detail combat time users)

[sour frigate]

[sour frigate]

Not hard to top with these deepsers

[dense elbow]

Aug'd AoE pull, kinda low, so is that a mist maze pull?

[sour frigate]

2 big pulls in nw

[dense elbow]

That low end?

Ah, chained halfway, maybe 🤔

[sour frigate]

still funny i pull dps close to dds

[dense elbow]

Tanks always do tho

If they ain't bad

[thick fossil]

If you ever get invited.

There are a tiny fraction of warriors getting title compared to so many other specs.

[hardy bluff]

noone forces you to play with randoms

i dont complain i cant kill mythic ansurek with a random group

how is it different for keys

[sonic shoal]

There are barely any groups for mythic ansurek, while quite some for higher keys

You can’t get rejected for queen if you dont have anything to apply

[smoky vale]

i do

[hardy bluff]

ill give you a lockout

go try

[sonic shoal]

That wouldn’t count because I would be making group xD

[hardy bluff]

ah so you can make your own group

crazy how easy it is

but i guess its even easier to just cry about not getting invited

[twin glacier]

This alone shows u seem to be clueless. Warrior with aug is giga suboptimal

[thick fossil]

I apologize if some messages send twice. Shit signal in this building.

[covert blaze]

based

[pulsar quest]

finding 4 competent players = finding 19 competent players

based

[deep hare]

i could kill mythic ansurek in a pug

frankly i could probably do it solo

but thats just me

[thick fossil]

At least Mythic Ansurek wasn't another WA fight like Ovinax was.

[pulsar quest]

true

[covert blaze]

the point is pugging the hardest content shouldnt be super accesible

[pulsar quest]

difference is its infinitely easier to find 4 competent people than 19 other competent people

[covert blaze]

what is your point exactly

[hardy bluff]

you yourself also need to be better because you have a bigger impact, maybe thats the issue people have

[pulsar quest]

its reasonable to not be happy that your class specifically gets less invites than other classes just on the basis of that being a non meta class

[covert blaze]

im sure you can find a group of like minded people to push with your non meta class
people do it all the time

crying about not being invited when your class is not meta, to a NON COMMS PUG

pretty cringe imo

[pulsar quest]

why are u assuming its a non comms puig

pug

[hardy bluff]

because most are

[covert blaze]

cause we're disscusing pugs

[pulsar quest]

most of the time if youre queuing into higher keys then youre doing comms

you just wont get invited because youre not a shaman

[covert blaze]

youre talking about getting invited

queueing up to 0.1% content xddd

a testament to how much of a meme m+ is

[covert blaze]

why would people randomnly not meta-game

on a pug

[pulsar quest]

exactly

so it logical to be frustrated you arent getting invited

[covert blaze]

it's a not a problem tho

it's just how gaming works today

[pulsar quest]

im well aware

it doesnt make it less frustrating for most of the players

[covert blaze]

it's impossible to balance the game well enough for meta comps to not exist

[hardy bluff]

even if warrior was only 2% behind they would take the shaman

because they can

[pulsar quest]

So you should just be content with not being able to play the game then

Is that your point

[thick fossil]

Accessible is one thing, but not being picked cause of the class you play is way worse then usual. Like I've been passed up for a lower geared, lower IO ret pally or Shaman for 13 or 14s. Keys I've already timed. So IDK, it's weird out there.

[covert blaze]

maybe i dont understand mplusers idk
if you want to do higher keys just play meta or play with your friends on your shit class

[hardy bluff]

i can play the game

[pulsar quest]

You can try to find a team, but why would they pick you

Lol

[covert blaze]

acquire friends maybe

[hardy bluff]

m+ players have friends challenge

[pulsar quest]

Thats not the point and its a cop out of the conversation

Obviously you can play with friends, that would apply to any game mode ever

[covert blaze]

so what is your point then

that balance is bad enough for classes to not get invited or what

[hardy bluff]

sorry for solving your problem man

[covert blaze]

causes thats just how games work

[pulsar quest]

You didnt solve anything

That the balance should be better

Fix the game

There shouldnt be a class thats meta and literally picked in every single group for 3 seasons in a row while you have some that have 1-3% representation

Thats a failure in either balancing or designing of the game mode

Which is an entirely different conversation into mythic plus designing

[covert blaze]

yeah it's a minigame

who cares

[pulsar quest]

Either way, the entire point being, it's natural for players to be frustrated when they can't get into a 12 key because their class isn't on the tierlist

It's a failure as a balance team

Because those keys arent even high keys

[clever path]

what is this referencing?

[hardy bluff]

aug?

[clever path]

enhncement??

[covert blaze]

sounds a little entitled

[pulsar quest]

No not enhancement

[clever path]

auuuuuuuug

[pulsar quest]

Im pretty sure enhance is the first time being really "meta" this season

[clever path]

naurrrrrrrrrrrrr

[pulsar quest]

In atleast a while

[covert blaze]

hi pauckuss

[clever path]

hey

[pulsar quest]

It would be more like Aug or like, last xpacs priest/mage combo

[clever path]

yeah maybe

[pulsar quest]

things like that

[clever path]

i just see so many my brain got altered and the perception of enhancement in earlier seasons gets projected into my mind by blizzard gamma rays coming from the wow application on my screen

[covert blaze]

so true

[pulsar quest]

I dont recall enhancement every really being like it is now

It was okay but not as good as it is rn

[clever path]

yeah

aug bad

[pulsar quest]

It doesnt help that Aug is a thing and warriors dont pair well with augs anyways

[clever path]

i think

[clever path]

what does this mean

[hardy bluff]

😩

[clever path]

ark

[covert blaze]

Pauck

[clever path]

hi

(z)hai

lol!

[hardy bluff]

hey

[clever path]

you are lost, ark

[covert blaze]

!!!

[hardy bluff]

im right here actually

[clever path]

hey

ark why do you hate people who play m+

[unreal onyx]

ark

[hardy bluff]

dogshit gamemode

[clever path]

ark survival evolve

no its not

you better stop or else.

[hardy bluff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/985387340178554880.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[clever path]

https://tenor.com/view/run-bird-stare-gif-26078678

[hardy bluff]

blud thinks hes in paper mario

[thick fossil]

You can have all the friends in the world, but if they onky play Paladin or Shaman, creates an odd situation.

[thick fossil]

Raiding beyond RWF is a mini game as well. Who cares? Right?

[covert blaze]

somehow not your worst take or fallacy

[clever path]

at the end of the day its just discord reaction sticker

[pulsar quest]

@clever path

are we on for the podcast tonight

[clever path]

yeah

what podcast

also american tonight or normal tonight

[hardy bluff]

pauck on quazii podcast

[pulsar quest]

american tonight

freedom hours

[clever path]

who is quazii

[pulsar quest]

you wanna talk about a guy that loves m+

[clever path]

@stable hull hey

[pulsar quest]

do u think quazii made m+

[clever path]

idk who that is!!

[pulsar quest]

look up Swifty WoW Warrior pvp

and you will see him

its his old videos

[clever path]

top 10 swifty songs

frozen celldweller vs. blue stahli remix

xaxaxa

[pulsar quest]

do u think u could honestly beat swifty in a duel

[clever path]

in a fair warrior 1 versus 1 no

[pulsar quest]

we should bring back wow forums

making a list of who is the best of each class on ur realm

[clever path]

if i have an unfair advantage (frost mage) maybe

[clever path]

that sounds just wonderful

[pulsar quest]

Warrior: Gromnak
Druid: Sodapoppin

[clever path]

are you on illidan us??

[pulsar quest]

teehee

[clever path]

i think yumytv!!

is on youre servber!!

no way no way no waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy

[inner shadow]

Speaking of transmitter

[lost saffron]

The helltide has risen in multiple terretories

We need more men

[thick fossil]

I do love Celldweller, and his other projects a lot. Scandroid mostly though.

[clever path]

heeeeyyyy

i only know frozen

cool song tho

[thick fossil]

If you like that stuff look up Gunship as well.

Lots of awesome tunes.

[clever path]

will do thank you Osaliske!

[covert blaze]

cata druid kinda crazy

[summer quail]

holy moly, not thought about blue stahli in ages

[south kayak]

I was thinking of rampage damage increasing based on overcapped rage

I don’t wanna overcap rage to press BB or CB

They need to do something about this

Increase rage

And rampage cost or something

Why is the rage gen so insane

[peak lagoon]

this is why AM is goated

[south kayak]

In bfa it took a few gcds to enrage

[frank dawn]

idk, it really only is during Recklessness which is kind of the point

[south kayak]

Even in reck

Wasn’t like this before

[peak lagoon]

its the consequences of the RA rework mostly

[south kayak]

You rarely overcapped in bfa even in reck

[peak lagoon]

whenever in reck = RA active it fcks with rage gen loop

because they need to make the abilities to be powerfull enough to ignore the common gameplay loop

[modest condor]

i remember the reck > charge > siegebreaker > hope your auto attacks dont miss so you can rampage

[peak lagoon]

otherwise its just fancier looking art

[south kayak]

Yeah so that’s basically the intention right? Because the design of RA itself will never let rampage be used on cd

And that’s what they want

[peak lagoon]

if pressing a CD doesnt change the gameplay loop

[south kayak]

The devs

[peak lagoon]

then its kinda boring

[south kayak]

Fair

[peak lagoon]

if you want rampage centric gameplay then there is AM

and then you have the new RA

which is basically slamming BT as much as you can

[south kayak]

But something just feels off about not pressing rampage when your in full rage

[peak lagoon]

BT -> bladestorm -> BT during ra and end up with funny 50 second bleed

[south kayak]

I don’t know, maybe something can be done

[peak lagoon]

or mountain thane which is just slamming BT during ravager non stop

[pulsar quest]

im so used to this last tier RA rotation that when i play AM i feel guilty spamming rampage

lmao

[south kayak]

Did you play thane on ptr

[peak lagoon]

yes

[south kayak]

Ok

I found I was performing better on st on thane than slayer

[peak lagoon]

im ignoring the thunderclaps over BT during reck unless there is an empty cd

i found more succes with slayer

by dropping all the RB nodes

🤓

BT is king anyways

in both reck and outside reck

[south kayak]

Did you play with vicious contempt

[peak lagoon]

yes

and ashen

[south kayak]

BT kinda owns

5m crits

When execute buff

I want to drop everything when SD procs

[wary fjord]

RA should buff execute too

[south kayak]

A baby is in my laps?

[wary fjord]

[south kayak]

SD proc?

I’m pressing execute

RA should buff anything except rampage at this point

[clever path]

@covert blaze survival hunter @pulsar quest

[frank dawn]

this would be interesting if it buffed Exe/BT and let execute be used regardless of health or something

[wary fjord]

or just make it so in execute, you press it over the other buttons or something

like, make it that buffed, where you prio it over CB and BB

[frank dawn]

there's still kind of a core problem in RB that Slaughtering, Hack and Slash, and Bloodcraze are all really strong and it almost doesn't matter how much damage the actual RB does

[south kayak]

They put too much emphasis into builders like BT and RB and didn’t introduce any stuff for spending it

[frank dawn]

yeah, the talent tree needs to be about more than just those two buttons

[wary fjord]

im fine with the one spender, they just keep making the builders so big

[south kayak]

I wonder if RA also buffed Bb and CB by a certain amount so I’d still play the same as live but you wanna press rampage faster since it buffs them

[wary fjord]

like, how many talents buff rampage compared to BT or RB?

[south kayak]

What if Execute worked for Slaughtering Strikes

But it’s buffed since it’s less frequent

[peak lagoon]

EP for fury but it buffs rampage

[frank dawn]

we've talked about it before, might be ok, but honestly it's prob best if Slaughtering would just get taken out back so that Slayer can skip it

[peak lagoon]

on the ptr i just dropped every single RB node when going RA

and all in on execute + bt nodes

you have enough rage gen 90% of the time anyways

[frank dawn]

yeah I've been trying that too. I think you just have to be careful on PTR because every single dummy you hit is in execute range

[peak lagoon]

for AM its probably still full RB nodes

[frank dawn]

both for gameplay, and feelycraft numbers on your details or whatever

[south kayak]

Making enrage uptime easier is also a reason why rampage isn’t being pressed more

And rage gen

[peak lagoon]

low enrage uptime is ass gameplay

[south kayak]

Remove deft experience

[peak lagoon]

gimme back fury aberus

[frank dawn]

yeah fuck that, enrage uptime needs to stay super high

[peak lagoon]

carpal tunnel

[wary fjord]

or just make rampage do more damage, so you always prio it

[eternal sundial]

Inshallah punish anyone >21

[eternal sundial]

Am being good also accomplishes this

[peak lagoon]

gimme back my high uptime octane gameplay

with minimal variance

[eternal sundial]

The fabled 3rd ravager raz p1

[wary fjord]

that too

[eternal sundial]

Sark **

[peak lagoon]

we had 3 shadowpriests on sark, no way i was playing fury on that boss

[south kayak]

They meant to buff OF by 115%

[peak lagoon]

dont ask how we eneded up with 3

[south kayak]

That’s why they reverted

[eternal sundial]

I also killed it arm

But fun asf to fury it for 300 pulls

[wary fjord]

yeah, they meant to add another 0 on to all the buffs

[eternal sundial]

But we had 3 warrior so i arm

[wary fjord]

[clever path]

a league of legends laugh at this user epic rioted fail 🫵 😂

[south kayak]

Nah, just rampage

And 50% for execute

They forgot that too

[wary fjord]

but more power tho

[peak lagoon]

gimme season1 dragonflight tierset, and put EP in the fury tree

[eternal sundial]

Count to 5 jin otp

[clever path]

one

[eternal sundial]

Holy real

[clever path]

two

three

FOUR

[eternal sundial]

Incredible take

[clever path]

hmm

[south kayak]

EP would be great in fury tree

[eternal sundial]

Courtain Call

[peak lagoon]

EP in general is nice

it makes sense

[clever path]

the ult from the new champ is cslled public execution

what se fak

[south kayak]

I think it should be a second paragraph inside SS with a stronger buff

That’s it

Execute fixed

Now you wanna press it

[frank dawn]

if they make our capstones actually good at some point we need talents we can skip in the middle

right now it doesn't matter as much because you have 2-4 extra points that no one wants to put in capstones atm

[south kayak]

There’s so many things you can do but it’s apparently in a good place

[oblique trail]

Simply move the good middle tier talents into the capstones

👍

[frank dawn]

[clever belfry]

maybe remove all capstones

[south kayak]

Move OF to middle section

[oblique trail]

maybe kaboom?

[wary fjord]

if anything, move Onslaught up to a higher section

and make an actual cool 4th capstone

[south kayak]

Move onslaught outside of the fucking tree

[wary fjord]

lol

[frank dawn]

Onslaught is lame

[wary fjord]

i really just think its not a capstone tbh

replace it with necrobanner or something

[frank dawn]

yeah it's prob not, but I don't think we need it earlier in the tree to grab it just for the fun of it

delete onslaught, make something new

[south kayak]

Onslaught would be fine if our rage gen was way worse

But it’s already insane so there’s no reason to press it anyway

[frank dawn]

eh, maybe. it's still just a longer cooldown execute basically

and that's not very exciting imo

[peak lagoon]

onslaught should be a choice node with OF

🤓

so they can properly balance them with eachother

[south kayak]

Nah just delete that row

Leave us with 3 capstone rows

BS/OF/AM RA

[peak lagoon]

its time

for both AM and RA

[wary fjord]

no

[peak lagoon]

[wary fjord]

gross

[south kayak]

Nuh uh

[peak lagoon]

yes

[wary fjord]

we would get nerfed so hard

to where it will feel bad

[south kayak]

It’s like fighting to press either rampage or BB

Lol

[peak lagoon]

you just press BT and rampage

infinite bleed goes brr

[south kayak]

Make avatar work for am

[peak lagoon]

delete slayer CDR

make AM work with everything

fck desync

[clever belfry]

here i made it

[south kayak]

Am worked with everything in wod

[south kayak]

[oblique trail]

flat

[wary fjord]

nah, make slayer cdr apply to everything am applies to

fixed, no more desync

[gleaming siren]

https://tenor.com/view/yamatosdeath-yamato-gigachad-tabor-yamatosdeath-league-of-legends-gif-7956103510531189675

Thats you rn Galanda

[clever belfry]

7

[oblique trail]

https://tenor.com/view/yamatosdeath1-yamatosdeath-malphite-malphite-dance-yamatosdeath-malphite-gif-11200492577091576691

[south kayak]

This is so cursed

[eternal sundial]

No way

Ambesa arkan

[wary fjord]

that is a cursed image

[clever path]

ark

hate m+

[compact siren]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-love-head-with-rose-gif-16653731

[clever path]

its all coming together#

think about it

[south kayak]

SD into RA

Classic

[lost saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-love-head-with-rose-gif-16653731

[eternal sundial]

Echt

[south kayak]

Will the real Spongie please stand up ?

[solemn plover]

https://tenor.com/view/genos-one-punch-man-standing-gif-14470948

[south kayak]

It’s gonna be our turn next patch

[clever path]

komm wow 🥺

[gleaming siren]

Galastronk you need to stop

[fickle bluff]

holy moly

[gilded pawn]

who made this

[fickle bluff]

anda

[sour frigate]

Still better than current one

[clever belfry]

i think this is good

[frank dawn]

that is certainly a talent tree of all time

[eternal sundial]

Ne

[south kayak]

Why is odyns fury sideways lmao

[gilded pawn]

if you hold a gun sideways it does more damage

same with odyns

[gleaming siren]

because it's fury

[clever belfry]

why not

[clever belfry]

what does the talent do?

[compact siren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/368825524740554752/1325899950109753475/her-perhaps.gif

[solemn plover]

after each crit % chance to

[clever belfry]

leads to more ?

[solemn plover]

its crazy value

[gleaming siren]

infinite

[clever belfry]

new tree just dropped

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/spit-take-drink-laugh-funny-thats-gif-11859512

[covert blaze]

https://www.twitch.tv/3madox/clip/HyperScaryFoxCorgiDerp-dO4Oqu3zWn2nj1vw
@sudden tusk never forget

[fickle bluff]

[fleet forge]

Ive now gotten 3 weapons, all upgrades BUT theyre one handed... Is there anyway around this? I

[covert blaze]

set lootspec to arms

[sudden tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1230539998898684057.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[covert blaze]

[fleet forge]

really? Do i keep it at arms when i open my vault too? Whats the difference between the two except no 1 handed weapons?

[clever belfry]

same shit

no 1h

[covert blaze]

just prevents you from getting 1handers yeah

[fleet forge]

wtf

why is this a thing xD

[gleaming siren]

Because the RPers are holding Fury back

[fleet forge]

lmao

aight, well thanks..

[obsidian yarrow]

Am I doing anything with the enrage procs on BT?

Is that just where I'm more likely to press execute or is it just to smooth out the enrage uptime

[gilded pawn]

where BT enrages you?

that doesnt really matter

[obsidian yarrow]

so it changes nothing

[gilded pawn]

correct

[obsidian yarrow]

so priority after hitting rampage, I see on lists on guides be crushing > blood bath > raging > rampage

But I see the sim do crushing > raging > blood bath

Is this just sim things or

[sour frigate]

ig its to stack bloodcraze

[obsidian yarrow]

Oh I assume it's cos my crit chance is lower than it likes maybe

[fluid viper]

Hi! I'm strongly considering Fury for S2 but I have a bit of a hang up. I really enjoy the Thane rotation as it's slower and feels more deliberate to be. Plus, I want to play a dracthyr modeled after a storm drake and Thane feels right for that.

Buttttt I don't want to gimp damage too harshly. Is Thane really far behind Slayer in ST? By really far I mean more than 5%

[oblique trail]

It's too early to say for S2, but right now in S1, Slayer is roughly 4%~ ahead of Thane in pure ST (this is assuming raid)

In M+ however, Thane is basically the go-to

Though in raid it's more than just how good your ST is, and more about what Slayer does differently than Thane, which is having a much more consolidated burst, with CDR tied to it, which is why it's heavily favoured for fights like Ansurek and Broodtwister

[oblique trail]

It has nothing to do with your crit chance, it's just an optimisation both to smooth out the rotation, as well to slightly play more around Bloodcraze stacks, however you could basically ignore this and keep doing
Ramp -> CB -> BB and be fine

[fluid viper]

Fantastic answer. Thank you so much!

[obsidian yarrow]

Ah I see, thanks for explanation

[south kayak]

I don’t need a trinket to tell me that

[fast mural]

plot twist he is talking about the sikran trinket

[covert blaze]

banezi goat

[south kayak]

Who is that in your pfp

[covert blaze]

kazuha

from le sserafim

[south kayak]

Interesting

[gleaming talon]

That’s him blud

[coarse nest]

[covert blaze]

real

[timid cave]

What build did you use for ZekVir?? I play prot 100% of the time and swapped over to fury to kill this thing.

[smoky vale]

you just need to play slayer

[timid cave]

Oh yeah, I got slayer , I just didnt know if I should just go with the single target raid or burst M+

[smoky vale]

raid would help more

[timid cave]

thank you

[smoky vale]

there are probably videos for fury

[timid cave]

I get the gd thing to like 30% and then get sucked into the portals so im tryin to work through that

[fickle bluff]

yeah you cant stand in anything bad

[smoky vale]

anything that can touch you

is just wipe

are you playing with healer bran

[timid cave]

Yes

[smoky vale]

you can get away with not charging to dispel sometimes but just kick the heal and it should fall over if nothing touches you

[timid cave]

theres some cast he does when the portals come out according to these videos and I guess just wait for that to go off and you can get close to the portals

[smoky vale]

fight is cringe though

[sour frigate]

whats ur gear tho

[timid cave]

ilvl wise 637

[sour frigate]

hm

shouldnt be a problem

[timid cave]

Im mostly gemmed for prot shtuff but I crafted a 636 weapon and I have a Ulgrax maxxed

Yeah its easier than prot

its just annoyin towards the end

[sour frigate]

i mean i two shot it as brew should be easy as prot too?

[timid cave]

not enough dmg for spider

[sour frigate]

play demolish and hold it

[timid cave]

unless I go colossus and I havent played it that much

[sour frigate]

its a 7kk on crit should one tap the egg

[sinful spoke]

bros yapping while getting gapped by zhai

[winter shoal]

"Oh what the fuck" is goated

[covert blaze]

that clip is cinema

im spam pinging the add with all my might

[clever belfry]

losing to arms is fucking L tbf

[olive musk]

siren ring look, is it normal that its tiny on our finger as tauren?

[sinful spoke]

as a frost dk at that

washed up

[frank dawn]

only washed players remain as warrior at this point

f

[sinful spoke]

f

[nocturne salmon]

lemme be washed

itll work out

[covert blaze]

irys based