fury

[smoky vale]

hi

:3

[modest hollow]

new PB

+10 nec

[smoky vale]

gj

[dense elbow]

Hell yea, show the others who is the real DPS!

[smoky vale]

hi kitty

:3

@dense elbow uwu

[dense elbow]

Aight, you getting from a bit weird to the next level now

[smoky vale]

[modest hollow]

😄

[azure holly]

did I understand this ST list correctly, execute by itself is basically useless?

[smoky vale]

correct

[azure holly]

i.e you need at least the mark for it to be worthwhile

[edgy widget]

not completely, as you will occasionally have BT & RB on cooldown, but yes, without Marked for Execution fully stacked up it is pretty low priority

[azure holly]

that's a first, can't recall it ever being that low prio

[edgy widget]

So you see prio 4 is with 3x Marked
while prio 10 is with any # of Marked (and you'll pretty much always have at least one, cause it procs a lot)

[smoky vale]

execute with 0

[azure holly]

meanwhile the arms one doesn't even list execute outside of 3 marks lol

[smoky vale]

kitty did i go too far 😦

[dense elbow]

Just dont take SS or RB talents, play massacre and AJ, execute suddenly good

Too far with what?

[smoky vale]

[dense elbow]

Well, ya pinging me saying uwu

[azure holly]

I'm switching to warrior next tier, any major changes on PTR yet in terms of fury at least?

or can I expect more or less the current builds etc

[smoky vale]

i wont go there again 🙂

[dense elbow]

👍

[smoky vale]

🔮

[azure holly]

no major changes yet I take it

[young swan]

as of right now its more or less the same set of talents except we never take OF

[dense elbow]

No clue, but you can expect to be at worst mid.

(and I will take OF 😠 )

[azure holly]

don't care too much about that, we'll be 2 warriors so I should be good 😄

ironically I was on bench last 3 bosses as ele

and no they had no other ele, just one enh

back to zug zug

[dense elbow]

zugzug is the way

[azure holly]

not progressed as warrior since Uldir

time to dust it off

[young swan]

nothing has changed

have fun!

[azure holly]

one thing has changed... Juggernaut
I'll never forgive them for what they took away from us

[dense elbow]

:noders:

Never forget

[thick fossil]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/blizzard-you-are-failing-this-game-warrior-pov/2050839

Feel free to add input.

[hardy bluff]

very dramatic

[dense elbow]

I read the title and already disagree :o

[hexed kiln]

Why would you link your crypost here

[devout totem]

doomposting? in my #fury ? what on earth

[dense elbow]

You should probably expand upon why if warrior is so bad high end, why are we played high end in all the content types. How does playing warrior stop you from networking to push?
Maybe specify your experience and play level. So the reader gets a grasp of where you are coming from. As it is, it kinda sounds a bit like an unhinged 'cry post'.

People will agree with your sentiment that Shaman is just better. But your formulation drowns what you are trying to push across.

Do a quick re-edit, and I am sure it could be a good post. Nice clickbaity title tho, so you can keep that.

Godspeed o/

[thick fossil]

For exactly what Funkkitty just posted. So if you're not gonna be part of the solution do not comment.

[hexed kiln]

PART OF THE SOLUTION?

brother you are cooked

[thick fossil]

Stfu and go stew in your content for where we are right now.

[winter shoal]

Bro thinks he's starting a revolution on the wow forums

[hardy bluff]

posts public

gets mad when respond

[thick fossil]

No, I just want a blue post to actually say something

[dense elbow]

I am all for these kinds of posts, just want to see them better crafted. It is a necessary part of the feedback process

[hardy bluff]

what do you want it to say? warrior will be better than shaman next tier?

[clever belfry]

balls

[winter shoal]

TRUE anda

[edgy widget]

no hate, but they're not gonna respond to that lol

[dense elbow]

That title alone will turn eyes away with an eyeroll. But hey, it is clickbaity for ragebait

So depends on goals

[winter shoal]

Maybe I'm a bit cynical but idk how much the quality of the post really affects how much they take it into consideration. In DF there was a massive post about warrior design issues that was actually well-written by top players and theorycrafters and it basically went nowhere

Ask @dapper goblet about it sometime

[south kayak]

So real

[edgy widget]

I will say that there are some good things coming
but they're probably not going to make you meta, and as much as I understand the desire to get there, I have to caution against living and dying by the state of balance - you're always going to find yourself disappointed in that game

[lost vigil]

I love living under the radar.

[sudden tusk]

As long as DPS warrior is as good out better then prot I'm somewhat happy

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[dense elbow]

I saw it, and just because it is seen. Doesn't mean it is followed up on.

Still, think we both expect if a post blows up - some notice will be taken.

[sudden tusk]

Though prot probably has some stuff coming based on their feedback on it

[south kayak]

The only thing I read is your first sentence

[dawn locust]

They took dobbys sock away, how dare blizzard, re-revert the ptr nerfs! rabble rabble

[dense elbow]

Pst, pst. Give me the deets, OF buffs coming through, not removed?

[edgy widget]

you're getting nerfed

not OF, just you specifically

[dense elbow]

We living in a decent timeline

[hardy bluff]

personal aura nerf

[winter shoal]

What if OF had an omega buffed bleed and they reduced the initial hit

Aggro issues with that spell are crazy

[dense elbow]

Dont play with bad tanks

[hardy bluff]

cant have aggro issues if it doesnt do damage

[edgy widget]

{ applyaura( -0.25) }```

[sudden tusk]

My only fans getting buffed by 20% poggies

[winter shoal]

That is literally the current state of it though

[dense elbow]

Man, that got a giggle from me

[winter shoal]

[edgy widget]

0 * 1.2 = 0

[winter shoal]

Drop the linktree madox

[covert blaze]

skull emoji

[sudden tusk]

Damn

[dapper goblet]

one day people will understand that blizzard doesnt give a fuuuuuuuuuuck about the nonames posting on the forums

[dawn locust]

fake warrior spotted, he make word post, we all know us warrior cant read

[winter shoal]

You were supposed to say the line

[dapper goblet]

got many lines

which one we talking

the slam one or what

[winter shoal]

17 paragraphs

[dense elbow]

How do you know this, if you cant read? Fake warrior spotted!

[south kayak]

-10% aura buff specifically for FunkyKitty’s character

[dense elbow]

Hey, I got a buff

nice

[dapper goblet]

17 paragraphs 20% slam buff

[dense elbow]

Imagine if they buffed slam

Make it prio over execute

[winter shoal]

I think the class devs are doing many lines too if this is what they're cooking

[dawn locust]

i see funny shapes on screen thing, me thinks he use big word instead of slam keyboard on funny blizzard code man head

[dense elbow]

zugzug

[south kayak]

Hits harder than 💀

Archi said there are good things coming

Is he talking about new stuff we don’t know about

Or changes we know about (RA)

[dense elbow]

archi confrimed OF buffs, but player based aura mods - to balance out the class

So top end will see a 25-10% nerf, on their character

Dont worry, you lads bad tho, so you prob see no aura mods on your character

[winter shoal]

I will still lose to gajeel sadeg

[dense elbow]

sadeg

[dawn locust]

thats fine keep the class bad so I can be the token warrior in raid and never lose my spot bc buff and rally, we dont need more warriors they can just play pally /s

[dense elbow]

Actual smart, be so bad, but still needed. Basically be DH.

[lost vigil]

Delete this

[dense elbow]

Never, I want Slam to Slam!

[dawn locust]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-michael-jordan-dunk-space-jam-gif-13515678

slam meta incoming baby

remove OF give more slam

thats what we want

[dense elbow]

What do we want, replace OF with SLAM! When do we want it? 11.2!

[dawn locust]

11.2 is too soon I was thinking more around the launch of midnight

[lost vigil]

Everyone chill. Don’t give any lurking devs bad ideas.

(There are no devs here)

[dense elbow]

The dev looks in, sees this, thinks "yes, that is actually a good idea"

[lost vigil]

The worst timeline

[dawn locust]

devs lurking in warrior chats? you make funny joke

just like spriest, we dont exist to them

[lost vigil]

See immediate next post

[modest condor]

if i was a dev i wouldnt want to be in this chat either with some of the takes going around

[lost vigil]

What about brew?!

[winter shoal]

Real

[dawn locust]

we drink those

smash slam more

[dapper goblet]

the devs def lurk in this chat

[lost vigil]

We do

[dapper goblet]

i'll tell u that

[lost vigil]

Can we get mods to ban the word slam

Please

[smoky vale]

xeod

s

help

[dawn locust]

everytime someone doom posts they take a drink, the devs no like us/spriest/brew

[dapper goblet]

help with what gio

[dense elbow]

What is kinda weird, is tuning aside. Fury plays so god damn well atm. TWW Fury is a well oiled machine to play, with multiple viable builds to play around with.

So why ppl so mad

[lost vigil]

Fury is so fluid, yes.

[young swan]

talents suck

boring

[lost vigil]

I disagree that talents suck.

[dense elbow]

You just old and bored, Xan

[south kayak]

That’s probably why class sucks

[smoky vale]

i want to learn enh

[south kayak]

[dawn locust]

very fun rotation ppl just mad bc dmg number not good, lack of good talent tree and low defensive options compared to other classes

[dapper goblet]

good luck

[smoky vale]

is it miserable

[young swan]

our talents definitely suck

[dawn locust]

very

[smoky vale]

^

[warped bone]

Think most are angry because warrior got several nerfs meanwhile same class is at the top for whole season hardly getting touched

[south kayak]

Thoughts on totemic on ptr

[dapper goblet]

enh is fun but its def harder than most specs

[south kayak]

Lava lash spam

[lost vigil]

Eh. I like the theme of warrior.

[dawn locust]

thats just meta doom posters, most warrior players dont care we just zug and mash keys

[young swan]

theme has nothing to do with it

the talents are boring

[smoky vale]

when i start hitting dummy and need help can i ssk you more questions 🙂

[dawn locust]

just give us juggernaut back as a talent, ez dobby given sock

[south kayak]

Did you see crash lightning damage on ptr

[young swan]

they dont promote interesting gameplay, the only reason fury feels good is because the base its built upon (bfa) was solid

[lost vigil]

Couple things. I can’t read.

[young swan]

wrong

[dense elbow]

I will agree to the degree that some talents just aint options. UF and so on.
And they could be fixed so easilly, especially with the PTR change to RA.
OS and OF problems "suck". Still, I wouldnt say it sucks. As the talent tree overall just works well to allow the playstyle I and many enjoy.

Yes I know you dont, Xan. Cause you bored of it.

But that is a personal gripe of yours :P

[frank dawn]

I mean almost all our capstones suck and 80% of the middle section of the tree is basically just “RB and BT do more damage”

It’s not that it doesn’t work, but it is definitely boring af

[dapper goblet]

500 dollars per question

[young swan]

cruelty isnt an interesting talent, wrath and fury isnt an interesting talent, improved bloodthirst isnt an interesting talent

[lost vigil]

I just don’t find an issue with the talent tree. Sure it’s not intricate but it just works. If the gameplay is fun for Me, I don’t care what’s under the hood

[smoky vale]

😦

[dapper goblet]

mini game based tier set

[dawn locust]

interesting to you sounds like you just want it to do more dmg

[young swan]

there are ways to just damage buff abilities without literally making a talent x ability does x more damage

[young swan]

wrong

[smoky vale]

[lost vigil]

Preset an issue and a solution, please.

[covert blaze]

what the hell

[smoky vale]

i thought totemic wwas supposed to better build

[lost vigil]

Present *

[dawn locust]

nobody will offer solution, only issue and complain

[lost vigil]

Ok.

[smoky vale]

wrong

xan has a thing

of samples

[south kayak]

Big buff and new tier set around it

[smoky vale]

[young swan]

i literally made an entire talent tree replacing our current one

[covert blaze]

thank you xan

[thick fossil]

Probably not, but something needs to be done to light a fire under their ass.

[dapper goblet]

and what did that accomplish

[young swan]

you specifically are welcome zhai

[dawn locust]

all warrior mass unsub

[south kayak]

Now all you have to do is send to warrior dev

[smoky vale]

i know i know

[edgy widget]

they've been making good changes

[young swan]

wasnt meant to accomplish anything

was 4fun

[paper prism]

SMF = Increase attack speed by 10% instead of 5% , add somthing else in place of Bladestorm for Slayer so theres an option. Add Whirlwind to Mountain Thane as well so its more versatile

[dapper goblet]

blow up

[lost vigil]

Yeah, I’m not attacking. I’m interesting in seeing it though for sure. I just find the spec fun so messing with talents sounds like it leaks into gameplay changes.

[south kayak]

I want to blow up and be famous

[lost vigil]

Send me fun stuff bb

[smoky vale]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-explode-clouds-of-smoke-gif-17216934

[lost vigil]

You can make a bomb with what you have under the kitchen sink

You’ll be famous and blow up

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[lost vigil]

I’m actually being serious

But everyone beyond a high school education knows this

[dawn locust]

warriors educated?

[young swan]

i'll dm

[oblique trail]

That's the purpose of changing talents, to change gameplay

[south kayak]

I know, I’m just messing around lol

[humble plover]

I don't know basic math. And can only talk through speech to text. Warrior education

[south kayak]

Did you change it since we talked

[lost vigil]

Same brother Zugzug

[smoky vale]

hi

[young swan]

dont think so

[oblique trail]

Even swapping a few numbers around can be the difference between you using a talent or not, and said talent being the difference that your entire rotation changes

[smoky vale]

who wants to do my 13 ara kara

i need 4 warriors

[south kayak]

I am not attracted to keys

[lost vigil]

4 warriors?!

[south kayak]

5 please

[smoky vale]

5

my pala isnt geared enough to do no healer keys

[dense elbow]

5 warrior groups is a ton of fun. People join up!

[thick fossil]

Good changes? Sorry, but so far I'm very doubtful. They have given zero reason for me to be hopeful.

[dawn locust]

yeah but they obviously dont know what to do in terms of it not messing up the flow of the rotation. could just be sheer laziness though as theres some simple stuff like why am I hardlocked into spear/bladestorm for ST but frost mage for example can pick BOTH hero trees and play with either a FB build or a mixed build that focuses on FB/GS/Beam to burst high during cooldowns

[south kayak]

The fact that frost mage wants to spam frost bolt instead of ice lance is cursed as hell

That has to be fixed asap

[dense elbow]

Think of things like SD now stacking, TT being removed, those kind of improvements. There been plenty good changes overall

[hexed kiln]

https://tenor.com/bKqjN.gif

[covert blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/waka-flocka-ok-okay-waka-flocka-flame-gif-14140333

[dawn locust]

yeah its really bad, they made it so blizzard was a hard cast requirement in ptr recently btw

actually just an L move on frost mage changes, but they reverted it bc no mage wants to blizzard in st.... BUT WHERES THE WARRIOR LOVE

[south kayak]

I know they made fof less proc which makes them able to make it stronger

Since it’s like insane rn

[dawn locust]

makes less munching of procs and they dont work weird with shatter now too

[south kayak]

You lose so many procs live

[south kayak]

Yeah, winter’s chill

Those are good changes

And work towards a better play style

[dawn locust]

but they can do that for mage and other classes but cant think up simple shit for warrior

besides reducing the APM of prot

[south kayak]

Meh

It is what it is

[oblique trail]

You are not locked into using Spear on ST, and Bladestorm is a requirement for Slayer in general to work. As Frostfire mage, you also HAVE to pick Comet storm, even if it's ST, which is also a case of being pigeon holed into one talent which doesn't necessarily fit being ST, and doesn't allow you to play without it, because then you'll simply lose out on damage

[dawn locust]

you dont use comet in ST on SS

[oblique trail]

Right

[dawn locust]

so you have options between the 2 mage heroes

[oblique trail]

Which is why I said Frostfire

[lost vigil]

Get this mage talk out of here

Magic is bullshit

[oblique trail]

You can also go Thane, and then use Ravager instead if you prefer that above BS

So what's the issue there?

[dense elbow]

To be fair, they discussing Fury Vs Frostfire, it is fair and on topic

[oblique trail]

Thane isn't markedly behind Slayer either

[lost vigil]

Get. This. Magic. Talk. Out. Of. Here.

[south kayak]

Warriors have magic

[lost vigil]

Blasphemy

[south kayak]

How do you explain thunder clap

Or avatar

[dense elbow]

Friendship is magic; reason why we all got it, execpt Arty.

[lost vigil]

Uh. Smashing so hard it creates kinetic energy enough to create thunder.

Avatar is just pumping extra blood through your viens and channeling your ancestors avatar into your body.

Check mate

[dawn locust]

just comparing how other classes have far more options and things to swap to allowing for more playstyles

[south kayak]

[lost vigil]

Who cares about options. We have one. Zugzug (was about to say smash)

But don’t want to thunderclap a whole conversation

[south kayak]

Ravager is also magicy

[oblique trail]

I'm gonna be honest as well, I've had to play my mage for mythic reclears (albeit quite shit at it), yet the recommended talent setups barely differed, and all of them just recommended Spellslinger

[south kayak]

And bladestorm, no one can do that without vomiting profusely

[oblique trail]

The gameplay difference between M+ and ST talents boiled down to being almost the same thing

[dense elbow]

Slayer alone got what 2 distinct builds, execute vs rb lines. Then you got AM slayer vs RA slayer, that plays different. There is a ton of playstyles in that alone.
Thane got AM thane, OF thane, so on. There are tons of things going on.
We aint as static as many think

[lost vigil]

Uh excuse me. You’re just able to use muscles well enough to make your weapon continually spin. Physics don’t work the same on earth as Azeroth.

[oblique trail]

The biggest difference was do you have Deathchill talented, if yes stack it up, outside of that you played mostly the same

[dense elbow]

WoW is a world baked with magic, everyhing is magical, so by default anything is magical. Warrior is magic.

Check.

Mate.

[lost vigil]

This is fucking heresy

[dense elbow]

Yes brother, bring out the heavy flamer.

[dawn locust]

you can peep the top 100 frost parces and theres a good variation of SS and FF builds, SS being the more seen as its got a more solid dmg profile and FF is more bursty rng. I was playing mage for my guilds mythic prog until our warrior dipped so I filled in the slot. And I can say build versatility wise and defensive wise warrior just lacks. Sure blizzard needs to do something but will they? We have went how many xpacs without good changes?

[oblique trail]

Defensive wise warrior lacks?

[lost vigil]

Top 100 parses shouldn’t be used to measure spec variation just fyi

[oblique trail]

That is a mage take for sure

[dawn locust]

yeah compared to other classes heavily

[dense elbow]

what

[lost vigil]

What

[dawn locust]

only other class that ive played that has worse is ww and dh

[oblique trail]

Sorry, but you're just not good at living on warrior then

[dense elbow]

Fury warrior especially is insanely tanky. If I die, it is 99% my fault.

[oblique trail]

Warrior has its shortcomings, but it by no means is defensively lacking

[lost vigil]

Fury is one of the better survivable (?) classes

[sudden tusk]

Free 10% stam next patch

[dawn locust]

i do just fine, i am one of the last alive consistantly in our court prog on my warrior, having only spell reflect and enraged isnt really that good

rally isnt your defensive in raid prog, its the groups

[lost vigil]

Uh. 2nd Stam stick. On demand 15% reduction.

Heavy armor

[dawn locust]

so only having 2 options and having to weave in IVs for hp back isnt good when "oh shit" dmg comes out during prog

[edgy widget]

they've made good changes throughout Dragonflight - yeah it took several nerfs, but Fury is in a healthy spot, and the 11.2 changes to RA (less so TT) are well founded

No, they won't make you meta, but if that's what you're looking for... idk any other way to put it except to say that you're setting yourself up for disappointment

[oblique trail]

You have a higher health pool than most classes, you have a constant 10% DR from enrage, you have access to on-demand 10% DR through Defensive stance, you have a short CD 20% magic DR on Spell reflect

[dense elbow]

We can stack a ton of mods, making it basically a sudo immunity. We can negate damage at will with enrage, SR and Dstance.
We got a bigger DR CD with a huge healing aspect. We got selfsustain passive and chunky on demand low CD healing.
We got plenty.

[lost vigil]

Oh shit is it 10% now in def stance. Jesus. I just switched back to Warrior from DK

[oblique trail]

Nvm it's 15%

[dense elbow]

Fury is super tanky if you know what is going to happen, and play around it. If you dont, then it can feel squishy

[oblique trail]

I got the DR and damage done debuff mixed

[edgy widget]

Warrior survivability is very proactive, you need to know when damage is coming to preemptively mitigate it with stuff like Defensive Stance or Enraged Regen - it doesn't leave a lot of room for failure though, since there's no cheat death mechanic to save you from mistakes

[dawn locust]

which was my point, it doesnt feel tanky like it should in prog when ppl make mistakes, but when you know whats going on youre unkillable

[dense elbow]

Prog is where you learn to play the fight.

If you die as Fury warrior in prog, just play in Dstance if you struggle till you know. But come on.

[lost vigil]

^

[oblique trail]

What makes you feel unkillable when you don't know the fight on mage, when all of Mage's DR is proactive apart from cauterize as fire mage

[lost vigil]

That’s just range player talk

[edgy widget]

it just requires you to be a player who is cognizant of what's going to happen before it happens; not everyone plays like that though, a lot of people are more reactive than proactive

[dense elbow]

Fair, didnt take that into account. I just expect proactive to be a thing.

[dawn locust]

2x ice cold, mirror image, 2x frost shielf, mass barrier, alter time, reduce all cd with shifting

[oblique trail]

I think you should read what I wrote again

What makes you tanky, when it's all proactive, and don't know the fight

[lost vigil]

He’s asking you what makes it better, since they’re both proactive.

[dawn locust]

read what i wrote again, i said warrior sucks on prog when ppl make mistakes and oh shit dmg comes in

like ????????

[lost vigil]

It’s a scripted fight

[dawn locust]

i guess we are all warriors none of us can read eachothers statements properly

[edgy widget]

You'd be amazed how many "just vibe" players don't know what the fuck is going on half the time, they just turn on music and roll their face across the keyboard until someone screams at them on discord lmao

[dense elbow]

Warrior is one of the most tanky prog characters???
I am 99% of the time last man standing. We just that tanky.

Sure, oneshots oneshot. But anything else?

Nah.

[edgy widget]

usually really good at pressing their buttons and really bad at any kind of on the fly audible

[lost vigil]

That’s it. POST LOGS. let’s see how much dogshit you’re standing in. I’m telling your raid leader

[oblique trail]

It by no means sucks at all on progress, speaking from experience as having progged as it through multiple expansions and iterations

[modest condor]

i had one of those in my guild once, he was even livestreaming it

[sudden tusk]

I think warrior after losing endurance training was actually one of the highest death % classes in raid this teir

[modest condor]

didnt make it through the 2nd week

[summer quail]

idk on warrior i can heal myself up if i make a mistake

[dawn locust]

comparing it to other dps classes, deff feels like its lower on the totem pole

[oblique trail]

Your personals have such low CDs that you rarely ever get truly punished by using them freely

[sudden tusk]

Only fight that scares me is kyveza for damage intake

[lost vigil]

120 seconds is a long time. I’ll die otherwise.

[edgy widget]

Yeah, unless there's a really important mechanic to save SR for (like Queen roots, but even those you can also break with Ava/OF/BS), you can pretty much throw shit whenever you want

[lost vigil]

Who cares if I have an off GCD 15% damage reduction ability.

I’ve drank too much

[eternal sundial]

Being good and aware makes u die less

[dense elbow]

Btw, sidenote, talking about DRs, didnt avatar use to give DR? Or is my brain just being silly with me

Somehow it gnaws at me that it got DR, even tho I know it doesnt

[lost vigil]

It doesn’t now but….did it?

[dense elbow]

Prob because of pwarr, probably.

[trim hound]

It does in Warcraft 3

[dense elbow]

With the true Mountain King

[edgy widget]

never has in WoW, at least not baseline

maybe prot had some secondary effect, idk

[oblique trail]

I will admit that yes, compared to a class like Mage, Warrior has less tools, and I got to experience it first hand when I recleared 8/8 on my Mage and barely felt in danger, apart from on Kyveza

But unlike Warrior, I never felt like I had anything to solve making a mistake on my Mage, compared to on my Warrior

Warrior is just naturally tanky, has easy access to living mechanics, and the ability to also make up for mistakes often (as long as you don't get oneshot)

[south kayak]

Mage is a lot less tanky but it has plenty of things

Alter time is insane

[oblique trail]

Now that is just wrong

Mage is not a lot less tanky

[south kayak]

Could be me but I feel damage a lot more on mage than I feel on warrior

[lost vigil]

Not a lot less….brain hurts

It makes sense but it hurts my uneducated mind

[oblique trail]

Mage has a ton of tools to live big hits, it's usually just consistent and high rot damage that would kill Mage if anything

[dense elbow]

My fav part as Fury warrior, is watching ppl get chunked down to 30% hp, while I sit at 80% smiling

[lost vigil]

^

[eternal sundial]

Ideally not having done anything

Like Queen explodes in p1 early on

[dense elbow]

I wonder where the concept of Fury being squish stems from tho. I see it all the time, I just dont feel that at all. I cant even understand it.

[south kayak]

Just press SR and dstance

[eternal kestrel]

Mage is only tanky if you press ur buttons

But if ur pressing them right its easily one of the tankiest

[lost vigil]

Does she now?

[modest condor]

when you have warrior mains thinking that spell reflect and enraged regen dont have DR, can you blame people playing other classes not knowing what we have access to?

[lost vigil]

Don’t tell them. Might take it away

[modest condor]

people often dont understand how much max hp and passive dr matters

[eternal sundial]

Im refering to a mechanic

[lost vigil]

Well that’s less fun

[eternal sundial]

Poorly but i am trying to

[dense elbow]

I guess

[modest condor]

like i remember doing some calculations back in df and fury could live 2 more levels than mage just baseline

[clever belfry]

magussy, btw

@oblique trail do u happen tio have a STONEVAULT 10 for me

[lost vigil]

So. Enough of this mage talk. Let’s get back to (only) warrior stuff. How is everyone feeling about tier? I am coming from DK last season and the doom and gloom of that set for the masses

[oblique trail]

Highly unlikely chief

But I will log on briefly to look

[modest condor]

tierset weak and uninteresting imo

[charred estuary]

rng chance to lose stacking buffs just feels so bad for no reason

[gleaming horizon]

whats the chance they rework it and give us something fun on stack removal like arms got?

[charred estuary]

I would much rather have chance to get rampage damage for x seconds

[lost vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-yes-nod-agree-gif-21960775

[dense elbow]

Question is, do you remember BFA?

[lost vigil]

Go on

[modest condor]

i mean we didnt have sr or def stance in bfa so we were pretty squishy compared to now

we were unkillable by rot damage tho

[dense elbow]

We also took 10% increased dam from being enraged :p

[lost vigil]

That sucked

[modest condor]

we didnt

[dense elbow]

Didnt we?

[modest condor]

no

[young swan]

that was legion

[modest condor]

we had war paint in bfa

[lost vigil]

We def took more damage while enraged and had a talent to reduce it

[dense elbow]

Was that legion?

[young swan]

and it was more in legion

[lost vigil]

Yeah in legion

We def had it though

[unique umbra]

Are the changes posted in updates live rn on PTR?

[dense elbow]

Wonder why I was thinking of BFA

[modest condor]

i remember one shadhar kill, which was supposed to be the throughput fight, where i got literally 0 external heals

i got a bit of smart healing here and there, but it was completely negligible

[south kayak]

BfA CSHB

[unique umbra]

Ah 😅 I thought that was just arms not both

[south kayak]

They should buff CSHB by 300%

Thanks

[lost vigil]

Thanks for not saying slam

[dense elbow]

Slam need 500%

[south kayak]

They could nerf the healing component

If that’s an issue

[lost vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/chappelles-show-gif-27536874

[modest condor]

no dont nerf cshb leech

[south kayak]

After buffing it

[thick fossil]

Wasn't the "buffs" someone's idea of a joke to post on Wowhead?

[south kayak]

I think cshb does too low of a damage

[dense elbow]

cshb on AoE is what 4-5%?

sounds solid to me

[south kayak]

After playing bfa, cshb is not solid right now

[dense elbow]

Fair, heart wants what it wants

[lost vigil]

After playing BFA, BFA wasn’t solid

So…choosie beggars.

[south kayak]

I liked it

[lost vigil]

It’s ok to be wrong

(I’m kidding. People like what they like)

[south kayak]

There’s nothing wrong about an option

Opinion

[lost vigil]

Onion

There isn’t. I liked the premise of it. Then had to deploy and actually only got to play the ass end of it when everything sort of fell apart story wise

I think the BFA trailer is one of the best one

Ones*

[hardy bluff]

gameplay was good tho at the end

[frank dawn]

The world content model of BfA was pretty solid tho. PvP invasions, nzoth invasions, emissaries, rare mob world quests, horrific visions

[lost vigil]

I think it was just too much for me when I got into it that I was lost. Having come from legion it was startling

[frank dawn]

Yeah if you came in at the end there was prob a lot of wtf going on lol

[paper prism]

Why the shadow enchant > Radient power enchant? Wouldnt the prim stat proc be better?

[dense elbow]

Shadow Enchant stacks up for good raw dam ST value, Radiant gives more AoE through mainstat interaction with all your abilities

[dapper goblet]

worst opinion in wow history

[dense elbow]

That is your opinion

[unique umbra]

Gear in bfa was awful. Didn't apply to warriors but opulence trinket was cancer. So we're main pieces that had the 3 abilities in them.

[lost vigil]

I think I had a bad taste from more borrowed power and being so behind. But again, premise was great. Gameplay for me was shit (for me)

[unique umbra]

Also crucible of storms. Might be the worst raid they've ever released

[dense elbow]

CoT? I really enjoyed that raid

[jade tiger]

Gearing was the bad part of bfa, first seasons azerite farm into opulence into s3 gearset into rng corruption

[dense elbow]

RNG corruptions was a miss, but system was fun

[humble plover]

Oh I had a blast with crit cshb bfa

[dense elbow]

Getting the versa on proc ones, when others got fun stuff sucked

[jade tiger]

Ye when the vendor was out it was nice

[humble plover]

100% crit with blood of the enemy. Felt good

[unique umbra]

Crucible of storms was the 2 boss raid with uunat where the wf kill had like 12 warlocks in. And limit gave up the race to wf on it.

[humble plover]

Now I'm rocking that 12% crit and sometimes I don't get enough sudden death procs to have bladestorm back when I need it. Good game 🙂

[unique umbra]

Right after bod

[modest condor]

wf kill had shamans, echo was the one that stacked warlocks

method even

old method

[eternal sundial]

4 ele shaman

That was the spicy

[hardy bluff]

pieces

[modest condor]

also limit didnt participate in the race during that raid, they just played it casual (by their standards)

[jade tiger]

The idea of CoS was nice atleast. a “quick” 2 boss raid

[sly crane]

And then the 2nd boss was so overtuned

[dense elbow]

A bit, but hey - it was good content, even HC was fun

[edgy widget]

practically noone did, there wasn't really a race for CoS

[hardy bluff]

first was hard aswell

[unique umbra]

IIRC Limit did try for a week, then said fuck it lol

[dense elbow]

Just got declined from a 14 anykey, my key sign up. Feels warrior man

30% aura buffs when?

[flat river]

xd

[sour tundra]

crazy to me how people rage on PTR keys

[dense elbow]

Ah yes, especially those who target their annoyance on someone testing something. Especially if they reproduce a bug.

[covert blaze]

@dapper goblet thoughts on 11.1 enhancement

[dapper goblet]

Not ele so don’t play it

More op in keys though

Quirky

[covert blaze]

[oblique raft]

why blizzard hate us so much?

[modest condor]

they dont hate us, they just hate you specifically

[south kayak]

It’s collective punishment because of you

[oblique raft]

oh

then i'll play shaman ench to screw those guys

[modest condor]

please do

[sour frigate]

and sp

[clever belfry]

@young swan ||balls||

[covert blaze]

holy

[tardy lark]

moly

[median ferry]

Would it be better to run Radiant power over depths while progging brood if I am there for add dmg?

[tardy lark]

If you play fury, you're there for add damage, but whether you play depths or radiant is not something you'll notice

[median ferry]

Thanks. I like this answer because of money:)

[compact knot]

if you really care for add damage you would run the crit or mastery one

its like 8k of a secondary when it procs > 4.4k main stat + some damage (its not much)

[thick fossil]

And ppl were getting on my case because of my post complaining about this very thing.

[thick fossil]

I don't know, I'm starting to feel like they hate players in general. Viewing us as hamsters on a wheel to spin money instead of customers or gamers.

[cerulean grail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1202774368564805735/1332873158167891978/FBI.png?ex=6796d65c&is=679584dc&hm=f37e6474e0bcf10114c2b0a96f3d7dd7e81398296e92b5f86b4e6a21a8e0ebd3&

[azure holly]

is it crazy to macro roar and spear together?

or are there cases where you might end up picking both

[compact knot]

not crazy

you never pick both at the same time

[azure holly]

yeah cuz you'd have to omit avatar right so

[compact knot]

yeah

or a capstone for either one which is bad

[azure holly]

mhm

[compact knot]

by themselves with no capstones they arent good buttons tbh

[clever belfry]

banger

[thin cliff]

I hate to break it to you but uhh 😂

[thick fossil]

Ok, this maybe going a little overboard. lol

[eager parcel]

hey guys just sim quel serrar vs stormstrike hammer from av and its comign up with quelserrar mor edps any one point me in the right direction please

[compact knot]

this is not the classic warrior discord

fight club is the place to ask the questions for classic

[eager parcel]

cheers

[compact knot]

np np

[thin cliff]

I thought I was having a stroke for a sec and maybe there was an event going on I didn't see

[compact knot]

oh damn

he just left this one fully

lmao

[thin cliff]

haha

[thick fossil]

Maybe I'm getting too cynical, but the parody from Liva La Dirt seems to be more true than fiction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNOIO-hmg6E

[thin cliff]

I don't think you're being too cynical at all - whether or not they hate players is obviously subjective, but the rest is absolutely the case beyond question. That's what the majority of the industry has come to

[dense elbow]

I am litteraly complaining about not getting into a 14, with my own key. I can make my own group whenever I want.
I complain about a non-issue

[covert blaze]

you posted cringe tbf

[thick fossil]

👍

[nocturne dragon]

The womp womp on tuning is pretty disappointing.

[eternal abyss]

I think they want to see some numbers in raid first to avoid the same "problem" with warriors again.

[left perch]

It’s wild to me that folks just don’t understand. No one wants a warrior. Cross section of “be good” and “run own key” players just don’t understand: I won’t invite a warrior unless I feel bad for them, there’s legit better classes to bring. Period.

[thick fossil]

I literally watched a 15 DB fill up with 2 shaman, 2 Paladins, and an Aug. It's fucking stupid. lol

[left perch]

⭐

[sour frigate]

Curse dispel rules

[left perch]

spell 2 of 15 enha has warrior doesn’t. also enha does 6x warrior damage one handed ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sour frigate]

[covert blaze]

@left perch werent you playing red class

[surreal spade]

new to the season playing late..... what stats do we want as a furry warrior?

[dense elbow]

Basically any stats work, so, as always, ilvl and str is boss. Haste/Mast usually performs a little bit better in general, but, keep in mind roboto knows for you.
In my case, I got more versa/mast than haste

[sour frigate]

Mastery > else
Sim it

[dense elbow]

Crit/Mast in M+ tho, so much value

[surreal spade]

i normally build the vers/mast route myself too. but i seem to be lacking in damage either not knowing what im doing or just plain bad lol

[dense elbow]

Sounds like a being bad issue, ye

[sour frigate]

Stats doesn't matter at that point

[dense elbow]

Just keep in mind, Vs an equal skilled other DPS, you will normally just be behind

This be the warrior way

So, 5-10% behind a ret? Dont worry about it.

20% behind a shaman? Its tuesday.

You in the lead? Get out of that group asap

[sour frigate]

Mage had bigger rio

[dense elbow]

I am certain he played his best that run

[sour frigate]

[surreal spade]

just wanna slam down so mythics lol

[sour frigate]

Its gonna be challenging

[left perch]

Yea but blue is better

[sour frigate]

Im not getting invites even in 8s as 638 woyeor

[left perch]

I would play brown it’s just…queue simulator isn’t that fun for old men

[sour frigate]

^

[dense elbow]

Do you own key, smh

[left perch]

funky how autistic are you

[surreal spade]

i own a +4

[left perch]

scale of 1 to 100

[dense elbow]

I give it a fair 0.5

[left perch]

that’s a pretty fair rating

[surreal spade]

Any good talent trees. Just seems like anyone route is the best route lol

[dense elbow]

Just steal WoWhead cookiecutter, till you get used to things

then feel free to experiment and have fun

[sinful spoke]

@slim coral was watching dratnos;s video care to explain this?

[left perch]

Explaining: he’s not that good

[modest condor]

explaining: we want buffs

[dapper goblet]

standard pull for baze

lets get a perma mute on him btw before he says something

[sinful spoke]

^

[thick fossil]

Is that the ptr raid?

[sinful spoke]

ye

[charred scroll]

i see this as an absolute win. just slap this screenshot everywhere and cry real hard. surely we'll get buffed. it works for everyone else

[junior gale]

a certifed Baze classic sandbag

[thick fossil]

Judging by what people have reported, it's not a good raid for our damage profile. Dps packs are spread out a lot.

[left perch]

Good thing we have regular meaningful burst??

[thick fossil]

I mean, if it could only reach more than melee range? lol

[slim coral]

what fight dis be

oh that was the first boss

yeah kept dcing from oil

that shit was annoying asf

might as well post the real kill pull

[charred scroll]

we should scrap that screenshot and go with the one prior

the previous screenshot increases our chances of getting buffed by a solid 5%

[smoky vale]

awuwawawa

those who know

[summer quail]

wtff. damage done but no dps, barbaric

[slim coral]

What’s the lore

[smoky vale]

my goat wes

i think that guy gaps us all

[young swan]

wes owns

only person gajeel willingly bows to

[smoky vale]

i thought zhai was in that list as well

[young swan]

no he just called zhai goated or some shit cause he flamed me

[smoky vale]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-duck-gif-1363576254939741235

no other discord beats skyhold

[slim coral]

oh I know its wes but idk what the awuwawa bit is from

[summer quail]

based

[smoky vale]

no clue

i think its just some hidden pc bit

i imagine one of them slammed their keyboard and that is what came up

thats someones bit for naming in that guild

bazed how i get transmitter in my vault

[dense elbow]

Something tells me that isn't a pure ST fight
OF still bugged and doing silly dam?

[jade cipher]

i hate helping my friends with weekly and shit when its this affix

i cant use my on use trinkets

allways out of sync with cooldown

shit design

whole week of using ovinax egg instead of skarmorak shard

[young swan]

feel like ur making up a bug

[hallow sphinx]

bug

[young swan]

homeless

[hallow sphinx]

lmao fr

[young swan]

new home soon hopefully..m

[dense elbow]

Not 100% about it, why I asked if anyone else noticed it. Basically OF at the time did around twice normal damage. Noticed it being weird in m+, so checked on dummies and saw weird numbers going on.
Sent a report, and left it at that

[hallow sphinx]

take me in

[young swan]

I can try and replicate later

and by later i mean tomorrow

[young swan]

trying to get me lobbed

[hallow sphinx]

just wanna raid with my friend again....

[young swan]

you will have many friends to raid with soon...

[compact knot]

it still does less than what it did at the start of the expansion

also im in a mythic pug and held 3m dps on rashanan for 2 minutes, this raid is NOT touching the adds

but we cant kill the boss

[obsidian yarrow]

howdy - is there any way to consolidate the damage numbers from the multi hitting attacks ie rampage and raging blow?

[clever belfry]

technically yes, but it would be a pain

[native wadi]

delete this inmediatly or nerfs coming

[obsidian yarrow]

What sort of pain

[compact knot]

if only i got this many pis on my warrior

10 in one kill is INSANE work

[clever belfry]

you could write a weakaura that anchors dmg text to the nameplate and add a timed buffer that runs for the duration of a rampage and then print the number (or even increment it in the same frame)

so yes, pain

[summer quail]

i thought you were magus main now?

[obsidian yarrow]

That actually sounds disguting

[compact knot]

i have 4 alts (warrior, resto druid, bdk, enh shaman)

[summer quail]

ahh

[compact knot]

warrior is pretty much full bis, only missing a transmitter

mage is missing transmitter + spymasters + sikran neck

all mythic ofc

so w/e is better heading into s2 will be played

fotm chasing

[summer quail]

out of warrior and mage? or all alts?

[compact knot]

out of warrior and mage

[summer quail]

so mage then ahhaha

[compact knot]

if i get the shaman enough gear than MAYBEEE

but thats like 5%

but yeah probably mage, raid seems heavily favored towards ranged dps + arcane damage wise looks really good going into the season

tier set is incredibly strong

[summer quail]

ranged tiersets in general seem pretty cracked

[smoky vale]

goat

[smoky vale]

sup beast

gajeel help me

[hallow sphinx]

idk if i can

[south kayak]

HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY

how are you guys

[gusty compass]

HAHAHAH BLIZZARD HATES US. They buff and be like "Naaaaahh we jokin'"

Thank you for the fake hope Blizzard.

GG

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1285353121102561311/dead-fury.gif

[hollow elk]

i mean they did it to arms too

[fading sky]

Lel my guild said its ranged unfriendly

[radiant plank]

Ranged always cry...

[fast mural]

Tbf does arms even need buffs after the tierset rework

[dire otter]

!stats

!stat

!craft

[flat river]

Arms needs god

[fast mural]

I don't believe that

Fury is gonna need god if we are gonna have a raid without 50adds that constantly spawn

[thick fossil]

All warrior specs will need more than tier bonus.

[fast mural]

We get 10% hp

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-whatever-eye-roll-gif-14086660

[keen dove]

did they reverted buffs?

[thick fossil]

Yes, almost instantly.

Someone reported it was all a joke post anyways.

[fast mural]

they just wanted to nerf fury more

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/look-what-yep-this-gif-13617583

[lost vigil]

Wait that post with all the fury buffs was a joke?

These were reverted?

[fast mural]

yes

[fickle bluff]

probably coming officially next ptr build

[fast mural]

[vague sierra]

[lost vigil]

Link?

[fast mural]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/class-tuning-hotfixes-on-11-1-ptr-for-january-24th-warrior-buffs-366719?utm_source=discord-webhook

[lavish pecan]

Shamans doing like 50% more DPS than other specs in M+ for half the season: blizzard sleeps

Fury is good for the first few weeks of the season: better nerf it four times

[lost vigil]

Missed the big words (reverted)

Blame it on the zug

[fast mural]

nerfs have nothing to do with m+

unless you are aug

[gusty compass]

Feral Druid are now above Fury Warriors if you listen to Peettko talking about the specs for m+....

This is so sad

[south kayak]

It’s not like fury warriors are some m+ spec lol

So what

[gusty compass]

If we are bad in M+ we are bad in Raid.

its like 1+1

[lost vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-no-nope-gif-5413974953753901704

[south kayak]

That’s not really true

And we’re not bad in either

[fast mural]

i didnt realy see the same amount of adds in underminde

[gusty compass]

Its comment and people like this that makes Fury not getting any love what so ever. Blizz: "You need buffs?" Fury community: "Naaah we are actually fine... we are average its good!" Blizz: "Alright..."

[south kayak]

Blizzard isn’t here lol

No one here is changing their opinion on tuning

[lost vigil]

Is blizzard in the room with us right now?

[gusty compass]

https://tenor.com/view/come-on-yeah-alright-aight-yeah-yea-aight-gif-14099392

[lost vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/kamala-harris-do-not-come-gif-25102112

[fast mural]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-john-trump-im-gonna-come-gif-25102111

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/good-bad-ugly-ennio-moricone-cigar-cow-boy-gif-17722079

[heavy galleon]

The true is warrior is too popular.
And if the class is strong, all people will play warrior because zug zug

I guess warrior will always stay as a middle tier class for balancing class distribution

[sonic shoal]

And retri isn't popular?

[heavy galleon]

retri was bad until DF

[sonic shoal]

We're talking about now though, who cares about the past at this point

[fast mural]

famously WoW players dont care about past expansions or tuning

[heavy galleon]

I mean they changed Ret because it was bad.
Warrior was during many season the more represented no meta class in R1 M+ for exemple, the proof the class was still playing even when it's boring/bad

the fact is warrior have still a lot of player, even when the design/balance is fucked.

and the BIG problem of warrior is "only" on big M+ key, you know, it's where Blizzard just don't care what's happenned and they will probably says "just play meta 🤷🏼‍♂️ "

[fast mural]

middle of the pack = balance is fucked

you know who is actually down bad WW monks

[heavy galleon]

Many spec have 0 popularity until they are broken as hell

#shaman 🤣

But the game is design like that, we turn the roulette every season, we look at who is meta and we will have to wait until mid-season or the next patch

It's like wow doesn't like you stay on what's you loved

[violet condor]

12 times

[heavy galleon]

next season SP fire mage augmentation and good by warrior :x

[clever belfry]

thats good by warrior

true

[sour frigate]

yeah slight skill issue

[oak garden]

Hey but nerf fury 4 Times on 2 weeks. Based on a couple hc boss Fights.

[potent thicket]

sim says ovi'nax over ara-kara, thoughts?

[lavish pecan]

The mercurial egg is a giant pain to play around, so unless it is drastically overperforming the sacbrood, I would stick with ara kara because you will likely not be able to optimize it in the way that the sims are expecting

And even if you can, it's a potential tax on your brain globals that could be better spent on optimizing your rotation, defensive usage, or just general awareness

[winter shoal]

By default, sim assumes 20/10 balance on ovinax egg at all times (I think) - you can override that by running in expert mode with
thewarwithin.ovinaxs_mercurial_egg_desired_primary_stacks=29
or whatever stack number you want under "Base Player Customization"

Sac probably better if you don't have perfect ovinax egg management

[potent thicket]

I'll stick ewith sack, thanks !

[edgy widget]

even if you don't micromanage it, Egg is pretty good for a "passive" trinket

but yeah, how good it is will depend on how much effort you spend managing it

[clever belfry]

should sim same same for most people at 30/0 @639 as 626 ara kara does

(and it can only go up from there!)

[edgy widget]

as long as you're not a constant adadadadadad strafer, there's enough natural movement that stacks can kinda manage themselves in most fights; I played with it for a couple weeks using a stack tracking WA that just turned colors when I got near either end

[winter shoal]

626 sac still better than 29/1 639 egg for me as slayer, but egg better for thane Shruge

[potent thicket]

saw other fury warrs using windseeker on the 658 ring, why?

[clever belfry]

eggus vs saccus

[winter shoal]

Also something you can sim, although I think skipper is one of the ones that is better the more people are using it, so it might be better than the sim estimates it

It'll depend on your specific gear

[winter shoal]

She brood on my sac til I mercurial on her ovinax

[clever belfry]

new sentence just dropped

(i wish to never see this sentence again)

[winter shoal]

I regret having typed it actually

[clever belfry]

good

i hope u feel bad

[edgy widget]

I regret having not banned you yet

[winter shoal]

Fair and deserved I think

Who else is going to review fury logs of people who don't press their CB or BB though

[potent thicket]

thanks ! well, won't bother much with it, haven't played in a long while and just wanna get my fury to 620-625 a bit maybe before s2, or just go and gear up my alts a bit.

[gusty compass]

Im not pumped for season 2. This is going to be pain.

[edgy widget]

idk I think it looks p fun

[winter shoal]

RA Thane opener is kind of a mess I fear

[edgy widget]

assuming there's any reason to play RA Thane, anyway

[winter shoal]

I mean I play it in keys rn

I might play AM thane next season in keys idk

[edgy widget]

currently yeah, but next season I think it'll be AM

[fickle bluff]

❗ silken court

[edgy widget]

depends on whether they leave in Bloodbath cleave or not

[winter shoal]

The two were pretty similar on single target from my testing yesterday

But both were decently far behind RA slayer in single target

As expected

Didn't try AM slayer

[edgy widget]

You know, I spent awhile theorizing that Thane would be good there, and know others did well with it when they got there

But when I finally tried Thane there... I just didn't really like it

[winter shoal]

Were you doing it before the bt/bb buffs?

[edgy widget]

I don't even remember lmao

[winter shoal]

I was hitting some like 6.5-7m BB crits

Nut city

[edgy widget]

I really don't pay attention to individual damage numbers

I couldn't give a fuck less what BB crit for

in fact, a lot of fights I turn off damage numbers entirely, just to make it easier to see what's goin on

[winter shoal]

Same energy as turning off in game music so you can hear mechanic audio cues better

[tidal kindle]

You need in game music to feel the vibe

[edgy widget]

it was a life saver on Broodtwister tbh

[winter shoal]

Thane kinda giga if you're blue team for nuking adds though

[tidal kindle]

Yah same, just have tiny nameplate numbers to see if I'm in cleave range or not

[winter shoal]

Should've done that probs, that fight destroyed my mental

[edgy widget]

that fight felt astronomically harder with Fury damage numbers flying around everywhere

but yeah, Eroka and I talked about Thane a lot during his early Silken Court prog, which is what started the whole idea

but by the time I got there and tried it for myself (on mythic, obviously), idk I just didn't really feel it; took too much bandwidth without any noticeable gains

[winter shoal]

I think slayer better boss dam, thane better add dam (at least when I was progging it within the last month-ish)

VC dam at the end of the fight is nice but also the end of the fight is kind of free

[edgy widget]

I enjoy Thane, but Slayer feels a lot smoother and that's something I also valued on my own prog - could just kinda brain off and focus on mechanics instead of the rotation

[winter shoal]

Idk I've exclusively played thane in keys since the bt/bb buff so I'm kind of used to it

It was actually hard to adjust back to slayer for queen

[edgy widget]

I played Thane in keys, and it's fine

[winter shoal]

AM Thane really fun in keys, it just kinda stinks numerically rn

[modest condor]

ive been almost exclusively AM slayer for like 2 months now

[winter shoal]

My only problem with AM slayer is that I have to separately track/press reck bc it's no longer on the same cd as either ava or bs/rav

[edgy widget]

Yeah I personally don't like AM because of the desync, but not so much that I'm gonna complain about it being on par or better

[ornate gust]

What if the boss parry? You don’t care to see it?

[edgy widget]

perfect world, RA will be the go-to for raid/ST, and AM for M+/heavy MT

[tidal kindle]

https://tenor.com/bjwop.gif

Out of sight, out of mind

[edgy widget]

aside from reducing my IRL rage, how does seeing "parry" on your screen affect your gameplay at all?

[ornate gust]

Getting angry 😂😂 and perform better

[tidal kindle]

If rampage gets parried w/ RA, you'll know anyway

[edgy widget]

also you can still hear the parry sound

[tidal kindle]

||My parry weakaura will also still popup||

[ornate gust]

I hear only my RL screaming 😂😂

[edgy widget]

OF getting parried

[tidal kindle]

Wait

OF can get parried?

[edgy widget]

YUP

[tidal kindle]

[edgy widget]

on an individual hit basis though, it doesn't stop the whole ability like Rampage does

[oblique trail]

Roar can also get parried

But bleed still happens

[ornate gust]

huh? 🧐

[oblique trail]

I do not question the logic

[tidal kindle]

Yah this one I knew

[tidal kindle]

Oh gotcha

[edgy widget]

I have a clip somewhere of Ovinax parrying my opening OF with his face hole >_>

[dense elbow]

At least it didn't parry Colossus
Few things as fun as S3 TierSet BBs being parried tho

I cried every time

[quiet geyser]

Parrying needs to go as a whole. But if blizz is not on board, ATLEAST only give it to bosses that make sense

Somehow a giant slug with trex hands

Can parry lmao

[dense elbow]

DBTS without parry
DRW

[clever belfry]

if u dont use perry weakaura

L

[quiet geyser]

Sorry, bosses parrying needs to go*

[dense elbow]

I used to be camp parry to have ppl position. Then boss parried from the back

[modest condor]

parry to have people position died when blizzard started designing bosses that force you to be in front

which was probably somewhere during the early stages of wow development

[dense elbow]

Just make bosses have spell block

[quiet geyser]

Thats the thing lol, if they brought in a range equivalent of parry

You'd never hear the end of the QQ

[clever belfry]

ranged used to have to build more hit than melee

but melee had exp aswell

👍

[frank dawn]

I just don't really understand how the blizzard designers can sit there and still be like "yeah, we like parry so melee wants to be behind the boss"

I mean ok, that's your statement, but uh...mf have you played your game lmao

[dense elbow]

I manage to sneak behind the boss when RL isn't watching

[south kayak]

Why not complain to make it reduce CD to 45 seconds

[fast mural]

better reply would be "then why do you design bosses which forces you to stay infront of them"

[dense elbow]

I like AM tho, the flex and scaling is fun. With no TT bs can be sent on CD more often too

For m+ AM just feels so good with Slayer, on PTR is it is better than on live

[frank dawn]

Slayer AM is growning on me, I've been messing with it on PTR more

[dense elbow]

The parry damage loss has been included in our class balance ⚖️

[fast mural]

for fury maybe

i would actually believe that

[dense elbow]

Try without RB talents, go execute ones. Now that is fun highly recommend it

[fast mural]

its only rogue with kingsbane and arms with CS where parry is a huge issue i guess

[edgy widget]

Better for Thane, but it'd still desync with Bladestorm (and Demolish)

They don't have any interest in making AM static though

[quiet geyser]

You'de have to make unrelenting assault also affect reck

Which aint gonna happen lol

[dense elbow]

Nor should they, it feels good as is. A bit excitement in my keys.
Not everything got to be static for raid encounters with downtime

[edgy widget]

they already have a static option in RA

[dense elbow]

Indeed, btw, I am still pushing UF to 12% 2sec, for RA feel good procs

Those procs can create a ton of fun value

[south kayak]

Pretty much every CD that has been dynamic has been made static

Case in point, they just added a static CDR to Xuen for monks

Why is AM different?

[dense elbow]

What was the story for that change? AM works perfectly

[frank dawn]

The Xuen thing isn't the greatest talent to begin with, and it's only purpose for Monks is to let you spec Conduit of the Celestials basically. So that Xuen lines up with Conduit

if that's what you were asking

[south kayak]

Fair, now that I've thought about this, WW does have dynamic CDR with SEF too

So another one on another cd would be too much

[frank dawn]

and conduit is generally considered the sub par hero talent as well

so I mean yes, it's similar in concept, but not in terms of power

[south kayak]

hows ww on ptr

[frank dawn]

playing Conduit is honestly fun af imo. I'm pretty sure it's still slightly behind on numbers, but they changed the Heart of the Jade Serpent that amps your CDR to activate every single strike of the windlord

and the CDR aspect also reduces the cd of strike of the windlord so pretty dramatic increase in uptime and I really enjoy the impact it has on gameplay

[south kayak]

How's the SCK

[frank dawn]

does a lot of damage lol

I was never a big fan of the mark of the crane thing,

[south kayak]

I don't think many were

What talents are you playing with?

[frank dawn]

since strike of the windlord has the worst meteor scaling of anything in the game and sck soft capped on 5. Still probably weak on larger aoe

but dance of chi'ji fucks on 3-5 targets

[south kayak]

Btw I saw slicing winds

Isn't this from Plunderstorm lmao

[frank dawn]

it is lol

I haven't really messed with it yet

[south kayak]

I saw they buffed Capacitor

I'm using this but it's probably trash idk

[frank dawn]

the xuen cdr talent is epic garbage if you aren't playing conduit just fyi

[south kayak]

I am

[frank dawn]

I'm pretty sure not taking Ordered elements is a mistake after the SEF node

but I might be wrong on that

[south kayak]

Where Strike of the Windlord

https://tenor.com/view/modcheck-gif-19633400

[frank dawn]

palsing around with OF

[south kayak]

lmfao

I bursted 10m

on the 6 dummies

not bad

[frank dawn]

conduit does big fuck dam

then you kind of sleep until you can conduit again lol

[south kayak]

yeah that's true

a 1.5m cd is doing most of my damage

that's crazy

wait why is strike of the windlord doing so low damage

wtf

Whatever happened to legion's strike of the windlord

I think I know why, it does way too many things

[frank dawn]

it has a lot of effects tied to it to be fair. LIke your Gale Force damage is all tied to Strike

[south kayak]

Rushing Jade wind, Gale Force

Thunderfist

Rather it do giga damage

than shit like this lmao

[sour frigate]

this is trash

[south kayak]

i think you're right

I'll take ordered elements then

[sour frigate]

2% to proc and 3-5% haste per use if funny

[south kayak]

I wanna check last emperor's

[sour frigate]

pick this instead

[south kayak]

is that Dual threat

[sour frigate]

proc for 5% dmg buff

u on retail?

[south kayak]

ptr

[sour frigate]

then try capacitor instead of thunderlord

should be good in smaller pulls

[south kayak]

what's thunderlord

[sour frigate]

windlord*

[frank dawn]

yeah I know a lot of people considering dropping the windlord talents

[south kayak]

Why flurry strikes doing barely any damage

rememebr when FoF was so bad you canceled it

now it's doing most damage

[modest hollow]

new PB

[dense elbow]

Hell yeah! Ya keep pushing that limit!

[sour frigate]

cuz it scales now

read this

[sour frigate]

and it was good in s3 if u had pi

bursty damage and stuff

[frank dawn]

windwalker, pi

right

good joke

[sour frigate]

yeah weird stereotype

[modest hollow]

❤️

[vague cedar]

I cant believe they gutted reckless abandon, tried to give us buffs and reverted the buffs

this would only happen to war lmfao

someone tell blizz that making the thought process of making Reckless Abandon worse to make it on par with a worse node talent that is AM makes zero sense, like just make the shittier node talent better

just making the spec worse for no good reason

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[charred estuary]

We going BT over RB in stingle target now? In the RA Slayer build

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-be-alarmed-willy-wonka-and-the-chocolate-factory-dont-worry-dont-be-afraid-dont-panic-gif-21430630

[winter shoal]

If you're talking PTR, I think you BB over CB during reck, but otherwise the normal RB/BT rules apply

Meaning bloodcraze, VC, etc

[charred estuary]

So basically RB > BT unless execute or 5 stacks of craze

or I guess if you have the crit wa for bt

[winter shoal]

3 stacks of BC