fury

[hard widget]

Surely Xan knows

[modest condor]

no he doesnt

[hard widget]

Unforch

[narrow narwhal]

Fury good

[balmy shore]

WHY

[jolly marten]

Fury is the best spec for heroic dungeons. nothing more to say, move on

maybe some more nerfs

[wary fjord]

fury at level 11 is the best spec for tw dungeons

we got that at least

[hard widget]

But any opinions on ptr m+ or ?

[jolly marten]

cause it destroys the pigs in Durotar

[winter shoal]

Crit said warrior very mediocre

[jolly marten]

im feel sorry for Critcake, was hoping so hard on yesterdays stream

[winter shoal]

Colossus might crank with new tier set idk

In keys

[hard widget]

Meh

Unforch

[smoky vale]

HAHAHA NOOBS 0 changes

OWNED

FUXK YOU

[jolly marten]

this is where we are... hoping for a broken op tier set

[unreal kelp]

[hard widget]

Must be a salt water crocodile @smoky vale

[smoky vale]

schnapp

[sudden tusk]

we have a real trinket baby

[hard widget]

We flexing with trinkets? Damn we must be down bad x)

[sudden tusk]

our tierset is still ass

but at least we have a usable trinky

[smoky vale]

nah

arms doesnt

[covert blaze]

game playable

[jolly marten]

i love tho how big are the mage changes again... its like 2 years now we seeing mage improvements....

cause they feel warriors are in a good place but mages arent...... cause priorities, thats why

[ornate gust]

😂😂😂😂

[quaint dove]

Does the target have to be in the Champion's Spear circle to take the DoT?

[fickle bluff]

you have to hit them with it

then it doesnt matter where they or you are

[quaint dove]

Ah ok nice

So no need to worry about boss moving aslong as you hit them initially?

[acoustic seal]

does bloodbath dot still cleave, even during unhinged?

[fickle bluff]

yes, no

unhinged cleave was absolutely a bug and was expected to be fixed

[gleaming horizon]

If ur playing slayer, with new RA, which button is highest priority?

during reck

[jolly marten]

altf4

[gleaming horizon]

fuck me bro

i got baited

thanks barda

darda

[jolly marten]

youre welcome, always here to help

[violet condor]

i am blind or were there 0 changes to warrior beside tier set?

that...cant be real

[frank dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[wispy bridge]

We feel like warrior is in a good place

[last nacelle]

blizzard say warrior is in good place

[fossil rapids]

Ret buff lol

[last nacelle]

so he don't make change

[jolly marten]

how many times have to say it? Devs said we are fine

[wispy bridge]

our good place is buried in the ground

[violet condor]

sigh

[jolly marten]

our good place is trying not to hinder our teams much

barely acceptable

[last nacelle]

a think warrior need solid revamp like hunter

who add more utility

[sour frigate]

[violet condor]

man they actually buffed ret

[last nacelle]

and remove dead talent like SMF (even if i like it haha)

[dense elbow]

Go away

[violet condor]

thats just...unbelievable

[sour frigate]

Utility cope

[jolly marten]

not to be a doomer but probably the most ignorant devs ive ever seen..

[sour frigate]

True

[violet condor]

our whole bottom talent row is dead lmao

[last nacelle]

[sour frigate]

[smoky vale]

nERF OF

NOOB

OWNED

[dense elbow]

Tuning is to come, trust that they learned that knee jerk nerfing because of raid and outcry isn't the way

[summer crater]

We also got stronger burst windows and very low damage outside burst

[smoky vale]

FUCK YOU FUNKY

[summer crater]

Again

[dense elbow]

[smoky vale]

go play arms

[violet condor]

they nerfed our burst window and reduced our ST

[sour elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-rainbow-depression-mental-health-depressed-gif-27200388

[jolly marten]

how can someone that is monitoring this game say that fury warriors are fine... by what metrics? Where do they get this feedback? Probably ignorant lazy devs..

[violet condor]

not just fury the whole class is ass and has been for so long

[dense elbow]

Raid and m+, on live we are fine

[fickle bluff]

🗣️

[violet condor]

no were not...

[jolly marten]

show me.. at logs we are currently bottom half

and in m+ popularity less than the second dps spec of dk

[dense elbow]

Rwf, we done 19 keys

We are fine

[violet condor]

https://tenor.com/view/lonely-gif-21172649

[wary fjord]

rwf, we were way stronger tho

[dense elbow]

We don't have to be meta to be fine, and we are represented in all top end content

We are fine

[jolly marten]

i wont argue. we had a good start but we fell off from then

[wary fjord]

we had a good start

[dense elbow]

Agreed, but we still fine

[wary fjord]

then blizzard remembered they hated us in particular

[dense elbow]

True

[violet condor]

i mean we were talking about ptr where prot war is the worst tank and fury and arms are bottom 5 and after the 12 nerfs warrior is mid or below avg on live rn

[wary fjord]

arms tier got buffed at least

[violet condor]

and its only gonna get worse

[dense elbow]

PTR is just a matter of tuning, and that pass comes last

[jolly marten]

guys, faq everything else.. the numbers, the dmg aint fine.. its barely mid... and its not coming from me, its coming from players that play warrior at peak

[dense elbow]

Being mid is fine, all is fine

[violet condor]

major tuning just happened and we got jack told were fine again...dooming has to happen

yea the class that brings nothing being mid is A ok good thing we have utility, dispells off healing, lust, brez..oh wait

[jolly marten]

no being mid is totally crappy. all specs being mid is totally unhealthy for the class

[opal zenith]

Ret didnt get a buff. They got a 1.2% nerf in ST.

[dense elbow]

I won't doom till I see no OF changes. We are fine, dont worry

[jolly marten]

while Shamans enjoy being top dmg in every pve content

[violet condor]

there were no OF changes? besides us losing our 2nd one for it to be replaced by a dead talent

[fossil rapids]

+5% to all damage in today's notes.

[opal zenith]

-30% to their biggest damage source also in todays notes lol

[fossil rapids]

kay

[summer crater]

Where

[jolly marten]

and the reason that warrior got destroyed was also a joke

even the players that just started the game can understand that being good in normal raid aint a reason to get nuked to hell

[violet condor]

little reminder frost dk has been better than warrior since day one with more survivabilty and utility and wasnt nerfed once 🙂

[opal zenith]

Lets just hope we at least get a tuning phase.

[jolly marten]

but devs couldnt just wait a bit for the tier sets and mythic week....

it shows how little they know about balance at all

[violet condor]

the only nerf warranted was a bs and of nerf everything past that was uncalled for

[lean nacelle]

frost dk was def nerfed lol

[violet condor]

but thats cause we had 2 OF now we have 1 and no buffs to it so its a dead talent now yippie

[summer crater]

I mean even if fury performs in the top specs for for dps, the other specs will still be chosen because they just bring far superior utility

[wary fjord]

pretty sure frost dk was actually buffed a few times

cant remember if it was after they were nerfed tho

[violet condor]

yea when was frost ever nerfed

[summer crater]

From the other top performers that is

[violet condor]

it was almost buffed 18% in the .5 patch

[gleaming horizon]

what are we supposed to even take instead of odins fury now

4 seconds of recklessness kekw

[violet condor]

kekw

[fickle bluff]

Unironically yes

And more t2 talents

[wary fjord]

you take frost dk

or enhancement

lol

[dense elbow]

Same as live, VC

[violet condor]

or ret

[gleaming horizon]

i love 4 seconds of shitty cooldown

[violet condor]

i was shook reading those notes even critcake says were in a terrible spot and hes a beacon of hope

his whole team was clowning on the class during one of his videos

[dense elbow]

Dont worry, OF will be buffed around 120%, and our burst returns. Then they give execute a solid 25% buff and increase rampage by 10%

We will be fine with coming tuning

[violet condor]

definetly not cope

[dense elbow]

Dont worey

[violet condor]

but personally id rather talent reworks than dmg increases

i want our bottom row to be good

[fickle bluff]

Don't worry that 4s of reck is 12 more seconds of bloodbath

[gleaming horizon]

my dream is for them to just make rampage the most important button to press if you have enough rage for it

[violet condor]

this !!

[jolly marten]

faq dat. im rerolling

[clever escarp]

cool

[gleaming horizon]

new reckless abandon ur overcapping rage by like 10 billion

[jolly marten]

yeah sure whatever you say blizz warriors are fine.. which class aint so i can hope on it?

mages?

shamans?

rogues?

[violet condor]

looks like its hunters to me

given they were 50% of the notes

[gleaming horizon]

they should buff unbridled ferocity by like

[dense elbow]

Shaman, Ret, rogue, DK are your melee options

[gleaming horizon]

quadruple and make it fun

[jolly marten]

got an survival hunter alt.. doing same dmg 620 ilvl as my 639 ilvl fury warrior

[gleaming horizon]

make rampage great again

[violet condor]

they gutted that talent to avoid perma recklessness it aint getting buffed

[gleaming horizon]

pray to john blizzard that they give fury 8% aura buff i thnk

lmao perma reck was the shit though

[violet condor]

needs more than 8% or other classes nerfed

[summer crater]

Well whatever the case the bad scaling needs to be fixed

[violet condor]

perma reck is quite controvertial

[summer crater]

After the buffs we were good in the raid again but scaling put us further and further down

[gleaming horizon]

perma reck feels great in execute like in shadowlands with sinful surge imo

[dense elbow]

You can increase proc rate to 12% and reduce duration to 2 sec, would be really good with new RA

[violet condor]

the bleed on RA needs a buff

[dense elbow]

It is stronger than OF bleed, wdum

[violet condor]

pretty sure its still a lower st increase over the original

[gleaming horizon]

6% is insultingly low in my opinion and recklessness isnt even that good when half the time ur holding rage to cast spenders anyways

[dense elbow]

It is what 5% on ST?

That not including the flat dam part

[violet condor]

i wish rampage was always highest prio but its not allowed to do high dmg because of slaughtering strikes

[fickle bluff]

Right now this is not the case (marginally)

[modern ingot]

So far it looks like arms is gonna be the play next season…

[smoky vale]

@dense elbow hi im sorry for telling you to fuck yourself buff of and onslaught

:3

[dense elbow]

:3

[gleaming horizon]

i understand that but then they just should fix it

xd

[dense elbow]

Play AM and it basically is?

[gleaming horizon]

like if you cant have your only spender be your main ability because of a shit one off talent nobody tracks, its broken

ya i mean ur not wrong but it aint good

[dense elbow]

AM isn't that bad, even a little bit better on PTR for slayer. Ofc, I am talking m+

[gleaming horizon]

yeah i'm only really intereted in raid in terms of whats good tbh

in m+ anything is fine for me cuz the highest i really run is a 12

[dense elbow]

That is fair, am is based on timing there. I don't know how that looks in the new raid

[frigid flicker]

what embellishments for fury m+?

[modest condor]

dusk/dawnthread

[dense elbow]

Crit or vers

[oblique trail]

Sie sind ein Narr! @warm crag

[smoky vale]

dnthread

[modest hollow]

will gilded crests be worth anything in season 2?

[oblique trail]

No

Valorstones and crests reset between seasons

[clever belfry]

surely they wont forget to delete my on-use valorstone things

👍

[modest hollow]

so my 1150 gilded crest is trash? 😛

[oblique trail]

Correct

[smoky vale]

si

[oblique trail]

If you have already maxed every piece of gear

[modest hollow]

holy hell

thats criminal

[oblique trail]

They'll just be turned into gold or something on season reset

Though I don't know what the ratio is

[smoky vale]

if they do 20g per crest

id be happy

[dense elbow]

Standard rate is 1s a pop, so... We get maybe some 🪙

[smoky vale]

XD

[warm crag]

Wtf?

[oblique trail]

@clever belfry held me at gunpoint to say this

[quiet geyser]

Fury doesn't exist again, yay

[oblique trail]

Correct, when I logged in today I only had 2 specs

strange?

[dense elbow]

We are fine, we can do m raid CE and +10s

[smoky vale]

fury loser spec anyways

[dense elbow]

It's fine being a loser, not everyone can be a winner

[quiet geyser]

⚰️

[smoky vale]

meow

[modest hollow]

preach

[deep hare]

apolog not accepted

[smoky vale]

hi geegeexd

[deep hare]

hi gio57

[torn mauve]

any ptr builds for fury/arms available?

[smoky vale]

arms has in arms

[dense elbow]

Just live builds, with new talent to fill based on what you wanna test

[glad coyote]

another round of changes and fury is missed again come on blizz

[smoky vale]

good

fuck fury

[humble plover]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-side-eye-gif-5016118126108679217

[dense elbow]

They just slowcookin the new OF nodes. Don't worry

It will blow your mind

[torn mauve]

which point of the standard aoe ra slayer build are you dropping for sudden death?

wrath and fury?

[humble plover]

I'm afraid of Blizzard slow cooking. They'll leave that shit on and burn it

[smoky vale]

no bloodcraze

[dense elbow]

Odyns Furt

[smoky vale]

and drop of for doi and uf

[quiet geyser]

Slayer dead

[torn mauve]

is it that bad now?

madge

[dense elbow]

Very bad

[torn mauve]

playing thane then? or just arms

[quiet geyser]

Too early to tell. But slayer looks dog

[gusty sleet]

bruh what is our class mod saying on wowhead lmao

[dense elbow]

Slayer is alright, just not great with the impact of TT saying bye

Finally BS will be buffed back!

Trust

[quiet geyser]

Na slayer is ass. Execute is just too weak. It's only worth pressing with 3 stacks, and you'll get way too many sudden death procs

Its just waste

[high cedar]

Is it bad enough that we're gonna play thane on single target? Or is it to early to tell?

[dense elbow]

Execute will get a raw dam buff, 20-30% trust

[quiet geyser]

It needs prob more than that lol

Like fundamentally, the interaction with sudden death is broken and dumb. It's just too weak to press every time it procs

[dense elbow]

With that, my build on live would do 3% better, bringing to to the meta build

Execute isn't as bad as one often thinks, it just is that little behind that makes it not be the best press at the moment

[gusty sleet]

litle behind

[quiet geyser]

I guess the RA change might make execute a bit higher prio

But man

[dense elbow]

Try could just buff SS to stack with exe too, to help our overall

[quiet geyser]

Its such a wet noodle

[dense elbow]

Yeah, I feel you. Exe feels weaksauce

[glad coyote]

explain to me

Retribution
All ability damage increased by 5%.

and zero fury changes

[dense elbow]

Cause we getting that slow cooked meal

It gonna be Hella tasty

[quiet geyser]

I don't understand why they don't just make slayer want to press execute every chance we get. It's legit called slayer lmao

[dense elbow]

Yeah, I agree, think most do. When SD pops as Slayer. You are supposed to go "SLAY!" Not... "Oh, maybe next rotation..."

[south kayak]

No fury changes

[quiet geyser]

"OH gotta wait for 2 more stacks. Guess I'm gonna just let this sudden death run out"

Dumb as hell

[dense elbow]

Oh well, shame, shame. CB goes burr

[south kayak]

It’s so over

[dense elbow]

Maybe they make ashen jugg also grant crit dam

[slim coral]

This dc on oil is so annoying on first boss

[dense elbow]

Bazed you sandbagging for us today as well? Hero

[quiet geyser]

That still doesn't really fix the issue. Execute legit just needs a massssssive buff to make the amount of sudden deaths make sense. Or get rid of the 3 stacks, and just make it 1 stack and buffed

[south kayak]

It’s not sandbagging if it’s top possible dps

[smoky vale]

do you have wa enabled?

[south kayak]

I don’t know why we didn’t get changes yet

Sucks

[dense elbow]

I can basically keep it up 100% of the time, it is not as bad as you think. Sure you got to play the procs till 35%, where it could drop if unlucky. But that is a simple ppm adjustment if it is too punishing for slayer

In m+ you very often can snipe executes to mitigate any negative

[slim coral]

No

[winter shoal]

Baze tell your pc to lock in

[slim coral]

The class does it for me no need to do it myself

[dense elbow]

[smoky vale]

what could be dcing then

[slim coral]

It’s the oil

[smoky vale]

well yeah

i was just thinking oil + x

[quiet geyser]

Now the issue is where you're forced downtime. Phasing, getting queensbane on kyv. Gonna feel terrible basically resetting all your dps cuz of a dumb mechanic

[dense elbow]

It builds back up fast, I don't see that as an issue really. Might feel bad when it happens, so you counter that by making it feel real good when up

[slim coral]

No it’s just the oil it dcs you

[dense elbow]

Stop slipping on oil then

Duh

[quiet geyser]

Honestly feel like just buffing base execute or modifying the 3 stacks is a much easier and feasible fix lol

[smoky vale]

gg

[smoky vale]

until you have to drop oil

bc raid leaders says to

[dense elbow]

Just don't drop?

Fuck em

Say you got a bug

🪲

[smoky vale]

you the bug

[dense elbow]

This be why I advocate for raw dam
Think we both want the exact same thing.
Big juicy that is top prio when available

[slim coral]

It’s impossible lol

[dense elbow]

[winter shoal]

@slim coral where sandbag

[south kayak]

[dense elbow]

Bazed wtf man

Oh well

Nerfs inc

[dapper goblet]

@slim coral hey man grats on the PC trial

[dense elbow]

If warriors could just keep it in their pants, like paladins...

[smoky vale]

@slim coral can you test if jumping in oil dcs you

@slim coral hey man grats on the PC trial

[eternal sundial]

@slim coral hey man grats on the PC trial

[winter shoal]

Quit glazing the man

[modest condor]

@slim coral hey man grats on the PC trial

[winter shoal]

He's about to be our downfall

[mossy fox]

gg no fury buffs

[winter shoal]

When fury gets nerfed 6 times in a row you guys know who to blame

[dense elbow]

El sigh, here we go again

Raid bulldozes over m+

[gusty sleet]

crit go complain

they dont listen to us peasents

[dense elbow]

Complain about being top DPS?

Based on numbers shown, we need a solid 10-15% nerf to be in line

[winter shoal]

I was cherry picking screenshots bud

[dense elbow]

we doomed

[winter shoal]

We're in the bin

[dense elbow]

Nah, these are what I already sent to my boss

[winter shoal]

Someone linked single target logs so far and both arms and fury were bottom 5

Which granted ptr logs are beyond fake

But it's all we have

[dense elbow]

Bazed just showing in those pics that we need a nerf

it is that simple

-10% on all abilities, and OF and Roar target capped to 3, incomming

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/innocent-gif-26144074

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/van-helsing-angry-mob-black-and-white-gif-308487738449339102

[full portal]

Does leech work off of the ring healing effects?

[sonic shoal]

❤️ lovely

[coarse nest]

Fantastic the macro and forget trinkets are the best

[flat river]

real and true

[frank dawn]

mastery on use poggers

[fervent yoke]

This some hoe activity by blizz can we get any attention

[frank dawn]

and not from M+ poggers

[south kayak]

They did it

Big fury buff

[undone flower]

LETS GO

[whole lotus]

[modest condor]

grats

[flat river]

[undone flower]

ofc i did my warrior part and died from a blade just on the kill (every other pulls was fine)

[sonic shoal]

Congratzzz

[flat river]

a kill is a kill my frien

[hardy bluff]

based

[slim coral]

gz

[unkempt grotto]

Mythic ansurek intermission: will bladestorming through a web pull still drop a puddle?

[vivid moth]

Yes

[unkempt grotto]

Aw.

[undone flower]

i don't know, i don't do that

i think anyone who doesn't have an immune drop a puddle

so you have to go really to the right in the death zone press every def cd

[young swan]

is it weird that that trinket change didnt spark joy

[summer quail]

yes, that is weird

[mossy fox]

it didn't for me either

fix my spec

[lapis shadow]

Didn't spark anything for me

[young swan]

feel like mastery on-use when we're already DR'ing on mastery is kinda eh

[sonic shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/well-that's-a-start-oliver-putman-martin-short-only-murders-in-the-building-it's-a-start-gif-413248900386595040

[summer quail]

you lie. it sparked a small amount of joy for you

[final eagle]

give us get itkku again

[young swan]

definitely dont do that

that weapon was so cringe

[sonic shoal]

At least we have some choice now

[final eagle]

or jailers mace

[young swan]

i got a rank 1 with that shit ass weapon cause i randomly procced 50% uptime and it did 15% of my damage

[sonic shoal]

Or legion artifact

And not care about dropping a weapon ever

[unkempt grotto]

At least jaithys laughed at you when you died.

[coarse nest]

[final eagle]

ngl i miss the old full crit fury warrior

[coarse nest]

Gz king!

[young swan]

i miss having crit synergy but i dont miss the idea of having to wait until the final patch to become relevant

[final eagle]

true

[young swan]

crit synergy is cool

[tidal kindle]

Stack verse time

[sullen dove]

yes

[young swan]

its random enough to give dopamine but not so random that u mald if u dont crit all the time

[red berry]

yeah no crit was fun in theory but only when we really had the stats for it

[undone flower]

thx all, it was a fun boss tbh

[sullen dove]

but you can save ER and reflect and walk semi deep into old puddle and should be mostly fine

wouldn’t risk it if you don’t have er tho

[summer quail]

give us rage on rampage maintarget crit. same as legion legs

[final eagle]

or give us real cds

[young swan]

wouldnt be possible with reck currently

[south kayak]

Make depths of insanity give crit damage every second during reck increasing each

[red berry]

give us back make rampage cost 10 more rage but it gives 10% damage and 5% haste

[south kayak]

[final eagle]

idk, we dont have execute phase, no real cds

[young swan]

yeah fury design sucks

[final eagle]

remember argus fury warrior, jesus that was something

[summer quail]

i think it would. however RA makes it so you don't always want to press rampage. instead redesign RA to give us crit damage as well as crit chance. that way rampage is always prio nr 1

[summer quail]

overrated af. the execute video put on rose tinted glasses for alot of people

[final eagle]

but at least we have something

right now if the encounter dont have adds, we are a boost buyer on st

[summer quail]

true, that is a tuning problem tho. not that tuning isn't a real problem

[young swan]

would coom insta if anything from my wishlist tree ever wound up in game

[summer quail]

link to wishlist?

[young swan]

lemme find it

[covert blaze]

xan clout chasing

[young swan]

chase dn

[sour frigate]

[final eagle]

for me and its very personal, its making our bleeds matters, that way we dont have so much punish for not have having uptime on boss

[sullen dove]

[hardy bluff]

xantaga amazon wishlist

docarrive

[young swan]

fuck ass link but it works

https://viewer.diagrams.net/?tags={}&lightbox=1&highlight=0000ff&edit=_blank&layers=1&nav=1&title=Fury Rewowrk.drawio#Uhttps%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Fuc%3Fid%3D1iu2OPGgcsgJzwIPgrfSrmDUFDfis2_vS%26export%3Ddownload#{"pageId"%3A"C5RBs43oDa-KdzZeNtuy"}

[sullen dove]

oh nah

[summer quail]

lmao

[sullen dove]

I ain’t even hovering over that shit

[covert blaze]

bro trying to steal my password

[young swan]

yeah yeah whatever vro

[sullen dove]

insta ip grabber

[young swan]

its harmless

im not a harmful person

[sullen dove]

[inner shadow]

fuck me do people have mental dissonance doing the same thing over and over

court prog is not goin well post intermission fuck

[young swan]

yeah that fight sucks

[sullen dove]

[young swan]

LOL

[final eagle]

the odyns fury set from dragonflight on our talent tree would be sick

[warm crag]

xantage

[flat river]

THE PROOF DOESNT LIE

[frank dawn]

I clicked Xan's link and he's already bought 20 brutosaurs with my cc info

[young swan]

dude

[clever belfry]

bro what the fuck

pls use draw.io

:3

[young swan]

i did

thats what i used

[clever belfry]

ok then u used it badly, sorry to tell u

[young swan]

its just their viewing feature

idk why

man how else am i supposed to use it

[sullen dove]

i seem to have had two mortgages taken out in my name… not sure how that happened…

[frank dawn]

I can't believe Xan would do this to us

[sullen dove]

[young swan]

how do I use it not badly man

[clever belfry]

idk it just looks bad xdd

[young swan]

okay man

FRICK you

[sullen dove]

[clever belfry]

okay!

[young swan]

tbf i didnt care much about making it look very good it was very aids to make things line up properly

[final eagle]

on paper sounds goated

[young swan]

yeah its hard to make it sound bad when all of the ideas are broken

[final eagle]

hahahah yeah

but its not like crazy things

[frank dawn]

just make it so we don't have 10 talent points that just make it complicated to say "bloodthirst and raging blow deal more damage"

[clever belfry]

we press ramp too much

👍

[oblique trail]

balls

[willow cradle]

Oh nice, any major updates since your last vid covering it?

[flat river]

balls

[clever belfry]

gala ure not a balls man

u cant say this

[young swan]

nah not really, people just got on the topic of fury rework and echoed a lot of the same sentiments that I have

[inner shadow]

fuck me man if a zug moron war like me can understand court perfectly, how the fuck can others not

[willow cradle]

The variables is what fucks people

[fast mural]

court is the most scripted fight we have

only variables are when people mess up

[final eagle]

actually

[willow cradle]

First or second pull in affecting where you move is a variable that causes wipes during prog, especially for red group.

[inner shadow]

it is super scripted

the variables are pull order
dispell people

[willow cradle]

Yeah I forgot about dispell being whack depending on what phase you're in

[inner shadow]

it's post intermission

you have 2 intermissions

[hardy bluff]

intermission are free now too

because orbs dont matter anymore

its really only dispells

[inner shadow]

orbs dont matter ?

wdym

[hardy bluff]

because you can get like 4 orbs now

or 5?

[inner shadow]

5 is death yeah

[hardy bluff]

and you need 1 each

[inner shadow]

nah i had people dying to the fuckin pie frontal

ye no if u mean it that way

ye ye

you'd hold their hands and be like, yo im the mark. FOLLOW ME

yet they still fuck up

dont know which frontal to sit on? look at tank and team, follow em

or better yet. ask

[sudden tusk]

yo these fights

are a goddamn mess oh my god

[unique umbra]

Yeah testing was absolutely fucked lol. Rik was ridiculous.

Just curious cause I haven't seen it explained in any guides, outside of having Reckless Abandon up, why is Bloodthirst a higher prio than Raging blow on AOE? I was curious about trying just a RB focused build, as it's kinda hard to really pick up all the talents I want now playing Slayer cleave being we have to take Sudden Death.

[sudden tusk]

for Slayer its becuase if procs Reap the Storm and for Thane its becuase you get more Tblast procs

for aoe specifically

[unique umbra]

Oh so reap the storm can proc multiple times. Thane makes sense.

[young swan]

no, it just has increased chance to proc per target hit

[unique umbra]

Oh OK cool.

[sudden tusk]

ye

[unique umbra]

How come then at the start of the tier, before things just started falling over, the consensus was Fierce FOllowthrough on ST and Opportunist on cleave?

[remote bobcat]

i believe we got balance changes

iirc

[sudden tusk]

we played opportunist at the start of the tier

then as they buffed BT repeatedlly Fierce got better

[unique umbra]

Gotcha. Yeah I am trying to figure a way to 2 points in Vicious Contempt and have Bloodborne for Slayer cleave. Critical Thinking seems too good to not have, but then you gotta spend 2 more for bladestorm. Was thinking of maybe cutting hack and slash.

Does Powerful Enrage impact our bleeds, or just upfront ability damage?

[clever belfry]

they also just nerfed opp and buffed FF

[rotund ginkgo]

thane with no OF is still bis for m+?

[gilded pawn]

powerful affects all warrior spells

[unique umbra]

Gotcha

[lofty delta]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1311021413754212375/1332099063780479068/image.png?ex=6794056e&is=6792b3ee&hm=58bd44f3b46613a8bd91d3d999b59964b19fd17991f7001c4d0f53105fdcab8f&

Fuck yeah

[unique umbra]

grats

[lofty delta]

I don't care if it's 1 month till next season xD

[hardy bluff]

kills are really coming in hot now

[junior gale]

Kill is a kill at least your not in running for race to world last

[sullen dove]

w pally name

[modest condor]

@slim coral i see you have embraced the sandbagging

[compact knot]

real

secret augvoker warrior spec???

[dense elbow]

Bazed finally being a goodboii

I approve

[clever path]

Give 25 percent aura buff instead of actually fixing warrior pls

Cause that’s more likely to happen that real things

[slim coral]

this spec does no damage outside cds

[frigid flicker]

at what key level does slayer become worse then mountain thane?

[slim coral]

I think 10+ MT is just better

[frigid flicker]

ok I see. damn thought it would be higher.

I do notice the overall is alot different. Wish slayer was better

beyblade is hella fun

[junior gale]

you can def still play slayer

[vagrant imp]

warrior isnt Meta anyways, so play what you want

[frigid flicker]

ah oaky :). last question here. how good is warrior at st. just doing a 4/8 for gear rn. although im 617, I dont feel like I do crazy lots of dmg

even a 640 one didnt do much

[hardy bluff]

warrior does good damage on first 3 out of 4

just not on sikran probably

[winter shoal]

Fury probably looks beans on Ulgrax bc they removed adds from logs, but we omega fuck those so you'll look good on details

One of the better classes on Bloodbound as well

Rashanan fury is really good at sniping adds too, but I feel like adds are pretty irrelevant on that fight at this point and arms does loads more boss dam

And yeah sikran you're in the bin but oh well

[lime bloom]

Hello All. Im looking for advice on how i can improve my Single Target On Mythic Raids.

[winter shoal]

Do you have more specific questions than that

[lime bloom]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/kiljaeden/dabnsmash

[winter shoal]

Without any other context, I'd recommend you read over the wowhead guide, look at higher-performing logs, look at vods from top players (critcake's youtube channel is great for this), and see what you seem to be doing incorrectly compared to them

[lime bloom]

But Looking At Noxiv.

Been* sorry

gotcha. I feel like my rotation is down but i seem to lose lots of damage

[hardy bluff]

fix your weapon enchant

[winter shoal]

I threw your Sikran log into wowanalyzer (which will catch common rotational issues, but should be taken with a grain of salt)

Ignore the whirlwind part

[lime bloom]

i mainly M+

[winter shoal]

If you look at the timeline here it'll highlight individual casts and tell you why they were wrong/inefficient https://wowanalyzer.com/report/3cPhzWRg6B1Yax2f/20-Mythic+Sikran,+Captain+of+the+Sureki+-+Kill+(4:15)/Dabnsmash/standard/timeline

Idk why you held BS until 0:18

[lime bloom]

Thank You @winter shoal

Ads

[winter shoal]

Sikran has no adds

[lime bloom]

oh Youre right

thank you

ok so wowanalyzer

as far as reading logs

[winter shoal]

Yeah I wouldn't trust wowanalyzer for anything other than pure single target fights rn

I may update it at some point in the future but for now it's really only checking single target rotation stuff

[lime bloom]

gotcha! as far as logs should i be looking at damage done?

[summer crater]

When I help friends in lower key dungeons thane is still generally better until something like 6

Probably lower than that too

[winter shoal]

I would look more at
casts:

• distribution of number of casts of various abilities
• sequence of certain casts, specifically on opener and cd windows every 45/90s
• number of casts of major cds

and buffs:

• average uptime of major buffs like enrage and ashen juggernaut
• presence of different buffs during cds/main rotation

Those will largely determine damage done, but just looking at the damage won't necessarily tell you WHY the damage done is different

[lime bloom]

@winter shoal Thank You

[winter shoal]

🫡

[lime bloom]

if youre ever available can we hop in a call?

[winter shoal]

Absolutely not, if I never talk to a single person in this discord I will die a happy man

If you have specific questions though feel free to post them in here or in #449510248579858432

[lime bloom]

thank you ❤️

[sour frigate]

@dense elbow invite me now.

[dense elbow]

Sure, git in here

[sour frigate]

👊

im boxer class

[sour frigate]

well we actually could do that pull with bl but... @dense elbow

🤷‍♀️

[dense elbow]

I blame you boxerclass for having the tank turn towards the group with cleave

Stupid boxer class

[sour frigate]

At first blizzard hates ww

Now kitty

[dense elbow]

Boxer class stole my OF buffs

[sour frigate]

Thats why u bomb me with grim fate

[dense elbow]

Ye, I was busy grabbing the orb to get some interupts going, didnt notice as I charged back in. Dat was mah bad

[sour frigate]

At one moment i was pressing my charge bind forgot im boxer atm

[dense elbow]

just fury warrior things

[sour frigate]

[dense elbow]

Was fun tho, poke me if ya want in on another 14 adventure laters

🫡

[sour frigate]

this season is so harsh to me i did too few keys due to insane waiting times in que

[lime bloom]

im trying to catch up ❤️

[sour frigate]

impossible if ure not blue class

[sour tundra]

yup trying to get into keys right now with 3k io nothing but declines

everyone's just want meta classes nothing else

[glad coyote]

i just got invited to a 14 city

idk if you know but people are running a new addon that seems to be the NEW thing. called WoWOP.io it scores your dmg/interupts/deaths to certain mechs over the last 15 keys you've done

[modest condor]

oh that addon is actually spreading?

saw some mentions of it on reddit

[glad coyote]

spreading like fires in CA bro

[sudden tusk]

deaths i can see

but interupt count for M+ is a dangrous metric to work on

[modest condor]

last time i saw it also tracked hps for healers and considered it very important, altho i think the creators were well aware that people didnt like that

[winter shoal]

I feel like in mid-level keys, raw interrupts don't really matter bc bolt casts are kinda whatever

It's only interrupts on important casts that matter

[sudden tusk]

i can understand why its a thing

but its practiclly worthless for actual keys

[winter shoal]

I am kinda interested in just messing with the addon but I haven't gotten around to it yet

If for no other reason than to feel smugly superior to the random pugs in my weekly 10 for vault

[sour tundra]

im guessing you uninstall the raider io addon and use that one instead? they probably will conflict

[winter shoal]

How so

My understanding is that wowop analyzes the log of the key

[glad coyote]

yeah and it always eats at addon memory fyi

[sour frigate]

@dense elbow got into 14 siege

[magic inlet]

weird question but against shields is wrecking or shattering throw better?

[young swan]

wrecking

[magic inlet]

ok ty

they appear to do the same damage but not sure

[wraith wharf]

wrecking is instant and a 45 second CD, shattering has a 1.5 second cast time and had a 5 minute CD, but it destroys immunity's such has pally bubble or mages ice block

[magic inlet]

aah ok

i see. im on queen prog so just trying to help out the group while we're figuring out the intermission. so im using it temporarily until we get it clean enough

[young swan]

its not worth using

not really anywyas

you would only be using it when you leave the boss for wrest

[magic inlet]

yeah im just testing. we're not getting shield atm so i figured i'd try and help

[summer crater]

Especially the damage ranking in it

[frigid flicker]

How come brutal finish is better then culling cyclone? its 1 rampage, vs 10% extra dmg on bladestorm

wouldnt you rather just rip ppl apart with bladestorm?

which is softcapped

[winter shoal]

Bc sim says so

[frigid flicker]

but what does sim account for?

5 target packs?

[winter shoal]

CC doesn't work that way

[frigid flicker]

CC?

[winter shoal]

CC is a pure single target thing

Culling Cyclone

Also keep in mind rampage gets buffed from slaughtering strikes and whatnot as well

And also that a decent bit of BS damage is from unhinged

Not the bladestorm itself

[frigid flicker]

but CC is not just st. it spreads the dmg on other targets

[winter shoal]

CC adds the same amount of damage regardless of target count, on more targets it deals less damage per target

It's very unintuitive from the wording, but that's how it works

Whereas brutal finish DOES scale with more targets

[frigid flicker]

no i get that. its just that it isnt pure st. Might not make a difference. but it still works in aoe

[winter shoal]

Which is part of why it was ???? when they nerfed culling cyclone saying that they wanted to nerf fury aoe

[frigid flicker]

i thought they just targetcapped yall mfs

[winter shoal]

They nerfed fury several times in a row

CC nerf was one of them (alongside overwhelmed I think)

[frigid flicker]

damn, i wish I played it before the nerfs

having 5 hard targetcap feels weird

[winter shoal]

But yeah CC does add damage in both st and aoe, it just doesn't add any more damage in aoe than it does in st. BF adds damage in both, and probably adds more damage in ST than CC does

Sim yourself to check

[winter shoal]

It's a soft cap beyond 5 but yeah shit kinda stinks

[frigid flicker]

oh its softcap

[winter shoal]

I mean WW is 5 targets yeah

But roar, OF, BS are soft capped

[summer quail]

abbreviating culling cyclone confused the hell out of me

[frigid flicker]

well isnt that kinda what matters?

[summer quail]

culling cyclone is just dead for fury. you can ignore it completely

[frigid flicker]

the 5 hard targetcap?

[winter shoal]

What else would CC be

Caitlyn Clark or?

[summer quail]

crowd control

[frigid flicker]

crowd control

[summer quail]

like in most games

[winter shoal]

Oh that's fair

Warrior has no crowd control though

[frigid flicker]

I thought you meant that as well for a sec. but given the convo we had I figured it was an abbreviation for the talent

they have a stun

[winter shoal]

I know I'm just yapping

[frigid flicker]

XD

[winter shoal]

Rumbling Earth is actually kinda sicko mode

Intim is aggressively dogshit though

[frigid flicker]

I really like shockwave

[summer quail]

i take shockwave on st as slayer. insane crowd control

[winter shoal]

Me when I storm bolt during bladestorm

(I have never once done that)

[frigid flicker]

so what is the state of warrior rn?

[winter shoal]

How long is a piece of string?

[frigid flicker]

good question. Idk actually

you buy it in meters I assume

so its up to you

[summer crater]

It was overestimated because of the burst in some places, but after the buffs later on we were technically stronger than at first overall (but especially in mythics, where it wasn't ever really good except maybe very low keys)

[winter shoal]

For low M+, fury very good
For high M+, fury kinda below average. Doesn't really offer anything aside from damage, and other classes do more damage
For raid, fury pretty good at killing adds and pretty bad at boss dam

[frigid flicker]

what is high m+ for you?

[winter shoal]

I don't play arms so idrk. More aoe/less ST in keys, more ST/less aoe in raid

[thick fossil]

They should of never nerfed our target caps.

Most of it was such a knee jerk reaction to the raid.

[summer quail]

this is correct

[winter shoal]

Idk like >=10 is probably when things start living long enough that your immediate aoe burst gets overshadowed by other classes

[frigid flicker]

oh ok. I see high m+ at like 14 and above I would say.

[winter shoal]

All of that said, if you're good at your class you will do better than people who are not good at their class

[frigid flicker]

I am getting decent dmg, at 617 ilvl and no enchants I consistently get 1,5 mil

I can improve though

that is for 11s n stuff

[winter shoal]

Warrior is perfectly viable at 14+, but you will probably be gapped by other classes and you'll have a harder time getting into keys

[thick fossil]

I'm doing 15s, but it's not realistic to get invited to a 15 as a warrior.

[summer crater]

True, which is why it the numbers (and utility) mainly matter at the top where everyone is good

Well

[frigid flicker]

wont be playing 14s I think with warrior. still keeping my main (outlaw, not that much better XD)

[summer crater]

You're also just far less likely to get invites at lower keys too unless you're meta or moderately well-received

[frigid flicker]

just picked up as an alt, to do 12s i think. and just do high keys on outlaw

[winter shoal]

I agree, but it is pretty objectively correct if you're given a fury and an enhance with equal ilvl and io to take the shaman

[frigid flicker]

im used to that.

[summer crater]

Yep, far better AOE, far better ST

And much better utility at the same time

[frigid flicker]

not that fun as well to have the another spec from your class be very good, assa. So there is literally 0 reason to pick an outlaw as well.

[summer crater]

In pugs it's still easy to beat enhance players because many just suck and/or are fotm rerollers (who suck)

[frigid flicker]

lol

true

had an enhance do 300k on 2nd boss of stonevault. in a 10 XD

[summer crater]

I'd say ret is slightly different because ret is even easier than fury to play

[frigid flicker]

plus that bubble

and youy can help team alot

[summer crater]

Yes

[sinful spoke]

SHES SO DEAD GUYS

[summer crater]

Battle ress, speed increases, physical immunity, removing snares, on top of having a better version of our aoe stun for interrupt

[frigid flicker]

and good dam

[winter shoal]

Lock in bud

[sinful spoke]

IM LOCKED THE FUCK IN

[summer crater]

Some nice heals on other people too

Oh and let's not forget cleanse

[frigid flicker]

warrior is a pretty popular class I see. So Ig they will get some changes at some point. unlike the neglected classes XD

[winter shoal]

[modest condor]

already dead on my screen

[covert blaze]

get that bih cheche

[sour frigate]

Warrior got million changes at the season start

Most of them were nerfs

[young swan]

lol

[sour frigate]

Ikr

[frank dawn]

[frigid flicker]

why is that funny? just cause you got nerfed, does that mean that you didnt get changes?

[frank dawn]

man just went for the jugular

damn

[sour frigate]

Nonono its funny of hiw u told it

Many players prayed for actual changes not wave of nerfs we got

[frigid flicker]

still actual attention from blizz though. Might go good sometimes might go bad.

[sour frigate]

Man

[young swan]

[sour frigate]

Classes like mage get tons of reworks

[craggy sleet]

never forget

[sour frigate]

While we being the same for 2 xpacs

[young swan]

more than that

3 now

[sour frigate]

Yeah

[summer quail]

i really hope you're memeing

[sour frigate]

I mean 2 cuz tww just started

[frigid flicker]

just cause you dont get a full rework doesnt mean you dont get changes though

[young swan]

warrior is the only class in the game that hasnt received a rework and prot specifically hasnt changed since DF beta (I think)

[sour frigate]

Taking -10% every patch isnt fun at all

[frigid flicker]

ofc not, its never fun especially cause you dont feel like is a good reasoning behind it

[smoky vale]

prot war has received 0 talent changes until 11.1

kek

[frigid flicker]

but alot can happen

[smoky vale]

and they were all nerfs

followed by compensation "buffs" to a worse play style

[sour frigate]

Yeah but looking enchs still pull 3kk overall after few nerfs is depressing

[frigid flicker]

mages where insane at the start of the expac. now theyre not

[sour frigate]

[smoky vale]

[summer quail]

you can tell Niko is new to warrior. he still has alot of hopium left

[sour frigate]

Frosts pull like 3kk overall too

And have huge st

[frigid flicker]

pretty sure frost is kidna irrelevant for raid now

btw

[sour frigate]

Its not

[young swan]

AI

[surreal token]

Real shit. I'm just doomer 24/7

[young swan]

yeah i mean anyone who has faith in blizzard to do right by warrior is new

[smoky vale]

hi mutou

[summer quail]

hi gio

[smoky vale]

i got gifted nitro today

very happy

[summer quail]

[surreal token]

Do we know who the warrior dev is?

[frigid flicker]

bro theyre non existent in the top 100

on bosses

[surreal token]

Cos it feels like we haven't had a dedicated dev since Legion

[frigid flicker]

if its something its unholy

[smoky vale]

doesnt exist

[surreal token]

I thought classes had dedicated devs

[smoky vale]

(we dont know)

[frigid flicker]

but you can say that for every class though. except paladin

[smoky vale]

?

paladin has been massively reworked

[young swan]

literally every class in the game has had their time in the sun since DF

what are u talking about

[smoky vale]

warrior was 20 years ago

kek

[surreal token]

Based on what I've seen for the last 2-3 xpacs, I'm inclined to believe warrior dev doesn't exist

[frigid flicker]

im just saying that its not only warrior. You can say that about every class.

other classes gets bent over as well

[smoky vale]

in comparison to warrior

no

[young swan]

yeah its not even close

honestly

[smoky vale]

its not even close

[sour frigate]

Who is this

[frigid flicker]

go ask that in another chat

and they will say

the same

[smoky vale]

no they wont

[winter shoal]

there are like 4 pixels in this screenshot

[surreal token]

I'd argue WW is as bad if not worse

[frigid flicker]

what a nice looking frost dk that is

[smoky vale]

watch critcakes latest video

[young swan]

yeah ww and feral are up there

[frigid flicker]

yes

[smoky vale]

first 30 seconds is people in his key group complaining about warrior being shot

[sour frigate]

Wasnt it about mages

[frigid flicker]

that is the whole thing abt wow community though

[sour frigate]

Ww is dog tied to 5 targets without actual burst

[summer quail]

@frigid flicker i mean they can say the same, but they have proof of reworks. we have no such thing

[frigid flicker]

nah but you see. XD still basically no representation. when they were hella good during the first set of the seaon

[surreal token]

At least Feral had some time in the sun last xpac, Windwalker got to shine for one minute in CN and never recovered since

[sour frigate]

U literally have 2 min 15% haste burst

[fickle bluff]

I'm sure there's another class in the game who's trees haven't changed since 10.0

[smoky vale]

rogue reworked amir

[fervent yoke]

anyone got a fury talent tree for the ptr?

[smoky vale]

pala reworked 2 times since s2

monk reworked

[winter shoal]

Same as current but don't take OF I think

[smoky vale]

sruid reworked

[sour frigate]

Ww was good df s3 and feral is ok now

[frigid flicker]

outlaw has also been the same thing. but differnt changes makes it differnt. you dont need a whole new rework, otherwise youre neglected

[smoky vale]

dk reworked

mage reworked

[summer quail]

their class tree has gotten reworked atleast

[smoky vale]

wl reworked

hunter reworked

[sour frigate]

Twice

[young swan]

mage twice

[iron plaza]

Why are you trying so hard to defend Blizzard's lack of attention towards Warrior?

[smoky vale]

priest reworked

[compact knot]

arcane has gotten like 6 mini reworks this expansion so far

[fickle bluff]

Infinite spriest reworks

[compact knot]

but the gameplay quality has gone down each time

LUL

[smoky vale]

i think the only thing that hasnt been reworked is dh and us

but dh had all of s3 s4

like

[young swan]

dh got a rework in amir, no?

[sour frigate]

Sl s2 was peak

[smoky vale]

its not even close

i dont know tbh xan

[young swan]

pretty sure they did

[iron plaza]

They did

[young swan]

or maybe s2

[smoky vale]

yeah they did

[iron plaza]

No It was Amir

[smoky vale]

you right

[frigid flicker]

no im just saying its every single class who say it. cause they can all point to something. other then just getting a new rework. getting a rework is what makes it either neglected or not

[young swan]

it is literally only warrior

[smoky vale]

what class am i missing

[compact knot]

fury peaked in TWW prepatch

[young swan]

dragon

[compact knot]

unfortunate

[young swan]

(also got reworked)

[sour frigate]

Cuz had some dumbass numbers

[young swan]

i miss when unhinged cleaved

[sour frigate]

Literally 20kk burst in algethar

[compact knot]

^

[iron plaza]

I can literally tell you the times each class and spec except warrior got big changes in their trees and pretty much a rework

Since DF

[sinful spoke]

LETS FUCKING GO

[smoky vale]

it was beautiful

[craggy sleet]

DING DING grats

[young swan]

[winter shoal]

[smoky vale]

bro finally locked in

[fickle bluff]

Missed that bug that only lasted for like 4 months or whatever blizzard is a small company :)

[smoky vale]

https://tenor.com/view/geeked-locked-in-angry-bubu-red-bird-red-gif-13807202352659823415

[frigid flicker]

daaaamn gratz, that was fast

[sinful spoke]

[sour frigate]

[smoky vale]

cheche you locked in

[young swan]

yeah thats what makes it so horseshit

[smoky vale]

[compact knot]

also time for me too i think, we have finally gotten p3 tonight for the first time, then the next pull did it again but with more people alive

soon tm

[frigid flicker]

but why do you need a full rework to say that your class is getting attention?

[fickle bluff]

I don't even need attention just bare minimum thought

[frigid flicker]

so if your class gets mega buffed, you would still think that warrior is just a mega neglected class?

[iron plaza]

Because it's outdated, It has issues and they are saying every patch that warrior is fine

[smoky vale]

yes

[fickle bluff]

The New titans torment is just completely worthless

[smoky vale]

🙂

just dont play fury

[sour frigate]

Bruh ww uncapped aoe burst got fixed in a week even with it u slightly could compete with human specs

[iron plaza]

Yes absolutely

Mega buffs are bandages

Fury got like 50% aura buff in Alpha

123% OF buff

[frigid flicker]

...

[iron plaza]

50% Rampage buff

[summer quail]

yes. let me ask you something, if warlock had shadowbolt buffed by 10000% and all they did was spam shadowbolt. would that feel good to play?

[iron plaza]

All of them were bandages

[surreal token]

Congrats my glorious king

[frigid flicker]

would that be a neglected class?

[young swan]

yes

[sinful spoke]

and i got the mount

[summer quail]

yes it would, if that was all the change it got

[frigid flicker]

damn, my class got mega buffed... we are hella neglected :C

[sinful spoke]

kay 2 my beloved

[winter shoal]

HES HUGE

[young swan]

that is the definition of neglect

[summer quail]

if all you think of is damage, then you should reroll to whatever is the strongest at all times. @frigid flicker

[young swan]

its throwing a temporary bone

[frigid flicker]

that is a matter of perspective

[surreal token]

Glad to see you got yourself out of that shit hole

[iron plaza]

Respectively idk why you are trying so hard against understanding, big buffs for the sake of making the spec/class "function" don't mean actual attention

[frigid flicker]

clearly they dont agree

if they havent reworked it

[young swan]

if your child was throwing a fuss so u give them a juicebox and tell them to fuck off are u being a good parent or neglectful

[surreal token]

You will ascend to new heights baby boy

[frigid flicker]

but have buffed it and nerfed

[sinful spoke]

i did

i flamed the fuck out of them beofre i left

theyre still wiping p1

💀

[sour frigate]

[frigid flicker]

cause I dont understand why I hear the same thing in every single class discord

[winter shoal]

spill the tea sis

[frigid flicker]

there is always something huge that makes them, invisble to blizz

[iron plaza]

It's common sense, everyone want their class to be perfect

[surreal token]

4 day guild talking about doing splits while we can't even pop circles right. Clown show

[fickle bluff]

They had the whole of beta and up to now to do anything with onslaught and it's still just a dead node
Massacre still hasn't had anything
Titans torment is terrible
Bloodsurge is nerfed (neither spec played it)

[frigid flicker]

yes, and if its not perfect, its horrible and blizzard hates the class

[sour frigate]

Not perfect at least fun to play

[sinful spoke]

i was on the first portal with a ranged

and every time i ported it was a gamble

on whether i died or not

[surreal token]

Whoever decided to tie Slayer to bladestorm was restarted

[sinful spoke]

and they blamed me for it

look at these clips

[surreal token]

THEN THEY MADE IT THE DEFAULT ST SPEC

[sour frigate]

[winter shoal]

I'm p sure I am too we've only made it to that point once and I died

Oh you meant that set

[sour frigate]

The issue is bs still shit in aoe especially on arms i press it and go down in dps meter lmao

Need it to apply overwhelmed and bonegrinder only...

[winter shoal]

Skill issue I fear, should've rotated your camera and looked across the platform before porting 💅

[surreal token]

That wasn't even the worst part brother. Queen prog w that guild was torture

[sinful spoke]

REAL

[frigid flicker]

i feel like they should make all classes equally cracked, so everyone has fun, and noone is waaaay above others

but that is very unrealistic 🙂

[surreal token]

No one is asking for commie style game dev, we're just asking not to be the black sheep for one tier

[iron plaza]

Yes the word horrible and bad is used often when it comes to class balance and design, That doesn't mean shit tho
It's literally not that deep, Every class since DF have gotten reworked and big talent changes and warrior didn't; It's not rocket science or sth

[winter shoal]

We had someone run the wrong direction in Silken p1 intermission like 180 pulls deep and say "oh sorry I forgot" like buddy we've gone right every single time ???? This intermission is fully scripted ??? What is there to forget ???