fury

[tardy lark]

have to do in 2d world instead

[dense elbow]

Didn't you have a wife?

[tardy lark]

think my gf would be mad if i did

[dense elbow]

poor irl waifu

[tardy lark]

so venti but bigger gun

[clever belfry]

ehhh no

she just shoots

single target only

[tardy lark]

so can i venti Q and big boom on what he sucks up

oh

what a letdown

[clever belfry]

i think the Q has slight aoe on the hits? unsure

never tried

i dont have the light green twink

[tardy lark]

venti is the only waifu i dropped mulah on

[clever belfry]

gorou incident

secret miss hina ??

[tardy lark]

0 mulah spent

oh wait, i did have the daily login thing running for a while

im a fraud

[dense elbow]

Dailies

[tardy lark]

friend and i had speedrun challenges going

[clever belfry]

theyre loads faster now

log in -> condense (clears dailies) -> do 4x domain

[tardy lark]

you can save daily completions up now, right

[clever belfry]

ye and opening chests, doing quests n stuff gives u that "currency"

i got about 300 dailies left for free rn

[tardy lark]

so play game to avoid playing game

that sort of rules

[clever belfry]

u also just fill the dailies by opening chests if u dont wanna use the backup thing

[oblique trail]

hate them for taking away my 600 saved up dailies

[clever belfry]

noob

just refarm them

i wonder how many u could technically have now

@oblique trail help

[oblique trail]

Sorry I have no sub

[clever belfry]

rude?

u also cant log in cause light is emergency maint rn

[warm crag]

Hallo

[oblique trail]

hola

[oblique trail]

sucks to suck

[clever belfry]

have u ever done colonialism in minecraft

[oblique trail]

I have indeed taken control of a few villages in minecraft

[tardy lark]

mhrm

[gleaming talon]

We did it boys 🙂

[tardy lark]

[thick fossil]

I have been playing a lot of Beat Saber lately.

[thick fossil]

What did you do?

[iron portal]

Eat

[thick fossil]

Yeah, fuck autocorrect

[iron portal]

Yeah, duck autocorrect

[thick fossil]

Man, you know thr frustration

[fervent yoke]

We gonna be good next season?

[oblique trail]

No one knows 👍

[gleaming talon]

Sorry internet slow, was sent same time lol

[fervent yoke]

Ugh my anxiety - I’m all in on my warr atm maybe I need to get an alt ready just incase

[radiant plank]

Keyboardwar

[oblique trail]

I mean go ahead if you care that much

[radiant plank]

but u couldnt use it to tkae a screenie

[fervent yoke]

Luckily I’m the only warr in our mythic core so they will still have to take me for shout

[radiant plank]

have to is a strong word

[restive granite]

anyone doing court had had a bug during the double amp dispell in p3

where all dispells happen but they dont interrupt the aoe?

[oblique trail]

Did you make sure that they all went on the boss, and that the debuff didn't time out

[restive granite]

yeah

[warm crag]

The debuff probs timed out

[restive granite]

i can link the kill log

we had all dispells out

at least the northern sky weak aura said they were all done

we killed it regardless but it happened twice before too

[oblique trail]

I've yet to see this happen ever since our first kill in October

[restive granite]

then it has to be an issue with the northern sky weak aura package

[oblique trail]

So can't say what is the issue, apart from debuff timing out

[warm crag]

Its never the nsky package that is wrong

99% your dispell Timing Was off and the debuff dropped off the boss

[restive granite]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2358810416?t=01h04m23s

this was it

[oblique trail]

The boss only had 3 debuff stacks

So it jumped to someone else and not onto the boss

[restive granite]

but the weak aura shows when it jumps to someone else

right?

maybe im stoopid

[sudden tusk]

if you look at your raid frames. Lopari dies the moment he gets it someone missed dispell 1 or he was mis positioned

so you lose a dispell and only have 3 not 4

[oblique trail]

I see the issue as well

The 2nd dispel was at the wrong time

They went to the boss to get dispelled, but the boss jumped before the dispel went off

[sudden tusk]

nvm im missing something im watching it back

[restive granite]

i had first one, it got dispelled, then lospari dies it jumps to me again and i get assigned 4th which was dispelled under the boss

[sudden tusk]

OOOH

i see it

Dispell 1 hit. but it was so early it timed out before dispell 2 hit

[oblique trail]

The mechanic was just straight up not done correctly

[sudden tusk]

so you only had 3 stacks on the boss

instead of the 4 needed to daze him

since normally ou dispell twice before the jump

[oblique trail]

eh

What we do is we dispel the first, then 2nd goes into the middle and waits

[sudden tusk]

yeah either way

[oblique trail]

The first dispel happens before the jump, so we know there's plenty of time

[restive granite]

yeah we did that too with hunter at mid

[sudden tusk]

debuff fell off basically

[oblique trail]

And dispelling twice before jump is a lot more tight

[restive granite]

ahhhh

i see it now

thank guys

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1326809946997919805.webp?size=96&animated=true

[glad coyote]

hopefully this week we see some changes on ptr

[jolly marten]

does bloodbaths bleed cleave now in ptr?

[dense elbow]

🙏

[glad coyote]

dont believe so

thats one thing we want

[dense elbow]

yes, the BB cleaves leaves the bleed

o7

If you play UF (and proc rate aside), it is a ton of fun getting those cleaved BBs that also leave those 5 bleeds every now and then.
Too bad it likely wont be viable, as the proc is just that rare, but it is fun

[thick fossil]

It would need to be brought up to 15-20% to be worth it.

[glad coyote]

our ST and aoe are looking rough on ptr atm hopefully changes happen soon

[thick fossil]

My reasoning for ~20% is so it's 1 in every 5 rampages.

[frank dawn]

that would be pretty massive uptime, I think it's a mistake to push reck back to 75%+ uptimes

[thick fossil]

I would be the only way to improve the class/talent without giving big aura buffs.

[frank dawn]

I agree UF needs buffs tho, 15-20% just seems a little high is all

but I wish they would just try something with it regardless, it's obviously dog water as it currently stands

[dense elbow]

Maybe make it not a % chance, but a set rate. Every 4th rampage or so?

hm, nah, would remove the "oh! nice!" effect of the RA UF proc. But, yeah - more consistency is needed vs how it currently is on PTR

12-15% and reduce the duration to 2 sec, so you get one empowered global, sounds fair to me.

Then we get 2 during heroism making that feel better too

[thick fossil]

Unless that 6% is each hit of Rampage, but it doesn't seem to be.

[dense elbow]

It isnt

I promise you that

[restive granite]

that one global will be WW on some cases xd

[dense elbow]

I saw 2 procs after 3min on the dummy - just checking if it worked with the new RA. Proc itself is fun tho

[restive granite]

it would be ass having to prempt WW before very rampage in case you get a proc for 1 global worth

[frank dawn]

yeah no, the current 6% is per cast, and its garbage

the new RA makes it a much cooler idea imo, but...it has to proc at least a little more

lol

[dense elbow]

You agree that the proc feels good tho, even if the rate is so sooo bad

So they halfway there

[frank dawn]

oh yeah for sure, I've always liked UF

it's like the one minor variable we've had in the fury formula haha

[restive granite]

at this point its more like a "fucking finally" rather than "oh shit im pogging"

[frank dawn]

yeah they overnerfed it hardcore

as blizzard does

[restive granite]

the bleed just refreshes it doesnt add up to it like ignite right?

itself*

[thick fossil]

Well, now that they added BB and CB access from Recklessness. It will feel good.

[dense elbow]

It adds - so 6 becomes 12 sec

[frank dawn]

yeah duration always adds, no caps

so you end up with like a 50ish second dot at the end of your Recks

on the primary target anyway

[restive granite]

would be better if it behaved like ignite imo

[dense elbow]

Sure - but the purpose was never to add more burst for Fury

[modest hollow]

what to do with 1100 gilded crests? :p

[dense elbow]

Consistent ST was the goal, and it delivers in that aspect

[restive granite]

yeah i guess

[frank dawn]

even over 6 seconds it's like a 60% damage increase to BB tho

[jolly marten]

its been awhile tho since we got nerfed and im starting to worry

[frank dawn]

that number might not be quite right, but it's def pretty bursty even with the dot component

[dense elbow]

It is a better perma OF DoT

[jolly marten]

blizz devs, are you okay?

[frank dawn]

they can't nerf us, we're already dead

[dense elbow]

What you worried about, Darda?

We are fine - we are always fine, we can do m10 and raid. That is the goalpost. We already there and always has been

Fun? Well, AoE burst was thrown out with the bathwater.

[sly crane]

have to do 12s for ksl now though

[restive granite]

i might be cooked but there were so many different approaches they could have taken with fury burst instead of just nerfing 10-15% every single week, like double the duration of OF and DR bleed but keep the damage the same as it was on week 1

[coarse nest]

Isn’t it cool to know warrior might not even be brought for its raid buff

[jolly marten]

im worried about their well being. It became a meme on how they treated fury this expansion

[coarse nest]

[restive granite]

you tackle the burst but keep the buttons worth pressing

[dense elbow]

Well, with TT gone, they can undo the OF nerfs and buff it

Will they? prob not

but they could

The removal of the double up and the 4sec avatar window frees OF up a lot to be its OWN button

I hate hurricane jr. effects, so I am very happy about the death of TT

[frank dawn]

it's even sillier than that tho. It's because whatever fools on the raid team added stupid and largely meaningless adds to almost every fight in the zone that also perfectly aligned with OF cooldown

like come on man

[coarse nest]

Can’t wait to put onslaught where OF use to be

[jolly marten]

or or or or listen.. we keep OF crappy and we do nothing

[dense elbow]

[frank dawn]

My utlimate copium is buffs to UF, and redesign of OF capstones - probably alongside a baseline buff

[dense elbow]

I promise you Darda, there will be a fight in the raid where OF is efficent global, and there WILL be ppl in here defending that OF is fine as is.

[frank dawn]

but I would also be ok with the buffs being tied to new capstones

[coarse nest]

Imagine designing an entire raid tier the aligns with 1:30cds perfectly and then blaming the 1:30 specs

[dense elbow]

Ye, when ppl say "buff OF", it means OF and its nodes - not the basic ability in itself. More investment of points should mean more power.

[frank dawn]

dancing blades is so powerful yo

I FEEL IT

[dense elbow]

Very powerful, super fun

I always hated DB tho, TR tho feels so good

they should learn from design #2 there

[eternal sundial]

DB good s3 df

DB bad rest

[dense elbow]

Good doesnt mean fun, tho

[winter shoal]

DB was good in 10.0 wasn't it

[jolly marten]

my issue has and always been that specs like retri-enha-frost dks- rogues get the treatment they get and fury warrior got the treatment it got when the whole community argued about it

[dense elbow]

DB "good" as long annhi was a thing

[coarse nest]

Give me back DF s3 annihilater!

[dense elbow]

Fury got nerfed to the stoneage because of raid design

simple as

That and HC week

[winter shoal]

DF s3 fury was so cringe

DF s3 arms clappa though

[dense elbow]

"omg fury delelting all the mobs in my HC dungeon with 1 button, nerf nerf nerf!"

[coarse nest]

So good I want it back asap

[frank dawn]

I like how every single forum post and youtube video was like "BLIZZARD OUR TIER BONUS IS AWFUL PLZ NO NERF WEEK 1 HC BEFORE PEOPLE GET TIER"

and blizzard nerfed us before people got tier

love it

tale as old as time

[dense elbow]

I was like "dont worry, come mythic+ and I will fall off dont worry"

And guess what

I did

[frank dawn]

[dense elbow]

:O and got nerfed to being bottom feeder forever

[coarse nest]

They rushed to nerf before the rwf event

[dense elbow]

woop woop

[jolly marten]

yeah i dont get it why they were so sensitive in balancing fury warrior on hc week and they let enha-ele shamans do like 40% more dmg than every other dps

[coarse nest]

Can’t have 5 warriors in on rwf

[jolly marten]

wheres the sensitivity in these specs blizz devs?

[frank dawn]

the warrior dev is simply too good at this job so we get balanced asap

the other class devs have more of a fuck it approach

[dense elbow]

Made the spec too fun

he did the misstake

Fun got detected

Poor warr dev

[coarse nest]

Pre nerf slayer fury was peak fun this season no denying it

Big number = fun every time

[dense elbow]

Yarp, why I keep being doomer about fun being killed off in the name of raid balance

[frank dawn]

the raid design was just dumb af, and we got giga punished for it

[dense elbow]

^

[mossy fox]

we would have fallen behind in high m+ even if we were not nerfed

[dense elbow]

Yep, I played PTR, I am very aware :v

Wait, beta, not PTR

same thing, different name, I guesso

[mossy fox]

just our burst was too good and they overreacted so gg

[dense elbow]

100% true

[molten night]

im gunna miss my bursts 😦

[dense elbow]

It is fine, the TT removal I actually believe is healthy

Just hope OF gets buffed back to its old form

[restive granite]

the blizzards forum posts were peak toilet read when the nerfs were happening

[jolly marten]

yeah sure, but why overreacted on fury and not on other specs that dominate the m+ meta?

[dense elbow]

We flew too close to the sun on HC week, we overshadowed everyone

[glad coyote]

dont worry guys we got plunderstorm

[dense elbow]

We poked the hornets nest of other classes during HC week. We made them all look bad - no matter what

It was a really bad look

[molten night]

historically, blizzard hates warriors.

[mossy fox]

we were doing insanely well in preseason and heroic week when blizzard was looking closely at stuff i guess

[dense elbow]

I got so many "omg top DPS with pressing 1 button" angry comments during that week.

[molten night]

isn't it like 5 buttons tho?

XD

[winter shoal]

People were just mad they couldn't pad on adds for normal raid parses HOLY

[dense elbow]

Doesnt matter, they see 1 button, they actually thought it was 1 cast of OF

not 2

[mossy fox]

later on enhance is like 5-10% of everything in raid but even more so in m+ i think but maybe they're just not as aggressive with tuning at this point in the season

[molten night]

might aswell say the same thing for survival hunter (same amount of rotational buttons)

[coarse nest]

This is EXACTLY why we got nerfed

[mossy fox]

but they do have infinite knobs for tuning whenever needed and are using them frequently 🧢

[dense elbow]

I am sure they will tune away our burst forever now tho

to avoid this again

RIP OF 2024-2024

[glad coyote]

they also made fights line up with our cd's

[eternal sundial]

But boring

[mossy fox]

kill off DB it has nothing interesting to add to the spec atm

[jolly marten]

my other main is MW monk... its obvious that the guy that works there knows what hes doing.. fury warrior dev doesnt sadly

[mossy fox]

replace with s3 df set

[winter shoal]

Week 1 normal ansurek p3 add dam

[dense elbow]

The 50% buff? Wont be enough

CDR I am not that fan of, and the BT buff would be too weak without the CDR. If it got the CDR, then you got to nerf the BT part

[mossy fox]

make titanic rage increase dot damage significantly and extend OF dot to 10 secs (to reduce its burst potential)

[dense elbow]

OF without double up is already low burst potential, if they dont double or triple current dam

[jolly marten]

or or or or or or or, listen... buff enha shamans

[restive granite]

thats how most games engage with that sort of damage issue, they extend the dot and keep the overall damage the same

[dense elbow]

Gotta remember, Avatar buff for the BS followup is gone - burst is neutred hard

[restive granite]

they do it in poe, they did it SC2

[mossy fox]

it's fine to have it spaced out over 10 secs imo, we already have good burst with other cds

but ye when I say s3 set I don't want the cdr, just get the stronger OF and amped BTs

[dense elbow]

If you make everything a DoT, it becomes boring fast. What people want is big number explosion on the screen. Not everything is about efficency

[mossy fox]

infinitely more interesting than dancing blades

[dense elbow]

Why ppl enjoyed the S3 tierset was the amped giga dam BBs

Big numbers = fun, so no bleed portion - upfront dam is where it should be at

[jolly marten]

theres a ton of things that need fixing with fury warriors.. but they said they are happy with the current version... so whats the point suggesting things?

[restive granite]

but if you want to keep that playstyle then we get the nerfs that we got

[mossy fox]

i'd rather have toned down burst with better sustained dps than have giga burst for 3 seconds into 0dps

[dense elbow]

I am also happy with how Fury is, btw, I just diagree hard with how burst AoE is being removed

[coarse nest]

^ real

[thin cliff]

💯

[dense elbow]

I disagree hard - because big dam doesnt mean low impact

Placing a bleed on something that dies did 0

overkilling it did 0

overkilling it was more fun

[coarse nest]

They need to find that happy medium where we can burst hard but atleast our spender still blasts outside of cd

[dense elbow]

Our burst is "decent" with bladestorm alone

[thin cliff]

At the very least I feel like there should be the option. Our bottom tier of dogshit talents would be the perfect place for mutually-exclusive choice nodes between burst and sustained in a way that could be tuned separately.
But they just... don't

[dense elbow]

Problem is if they make an option:
Sustained or burst, then burst in raid is always too powerful, as such gets nerfed to the point of being irrelevant compared to the sustained.

That is how it always ends up.

[restive granite]

do we know if they have ever approached a guide writer or anyone else outside of the blizzard dev team for input before barfing nerfs?

[coarse nest]

Archi tells us here that he provides insight all the time

They just mostly overlook it

[restive granite]

sadge

[thin cliff]

They seem far more open to Archi's input regarding design than tuning

[coarse nest]

Why take advise from the guys who play the spec well above average

That wouldn’t be logical

[jolly marten]

hey guys stop arguing... we are fine

[dense elbow]

We are fine, tho. Unironically.

[fast mural]

in fact fury deserves nerfs

[covert blaze]

king take

[dense elbow]

Bad take

[molten night]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-just-stop-please-stop-stop-it-meme-gif-26307878

[fickle bluff]

what "people" want, buddy youre the one obsessed with of doing huge burst

[dense elbow]

cause it is fun, yep

[jolly marten]

nah we are not.. try playing survival hunter, ele shaman, enha shaman, retri paladin... this is fine

[restive granite]

were fine in raid 100%

M+ it just feels kinda ass

[jolly marten]

we are barely decent

[fast mural]

survival who?

[covert blaze]

ICANT

[coarse nest]

When you play paladin or dk you realize how shafted we are as warrior

[molten night]

my survival hunter in M+ beats out my fury warr, but raid its the opposite.

[dense elbow]

We get the content that blizz cares about done. We dont infinetly scale as well, sure.

[jolly marten]

its depends on the fight my friend.. survival has better overall dmg.. cause furys single target is less than augm

[dense elbow]

Doesnt mean we are not fine. We are fine. The playstyle is fun and we do good numbers.
We are just not the top 0.1% tier.

That is fine - not being the best option is fine.

[molten night]

wait fury ST worsre than Aug?

[dense elbow]

It is ok to want to be more than fine, just dont lie to yourself and say we aint fine.

[dense elbow]

Top end? Yeah

[molten night]

wtf?

thats... really bad

[dense elbow]

Aug brings more value buffing optimised giga DPS

[molten night]

but there raw dmg output?

not the buffed part

[dense elbow]

That aint better than us, but logs show auged part

[molten night]

was confused.

[pulsar quest]

I’m almost positive if warrior didn’t bring a raid buff it wouldn’t be brought most of the time lol

[dense elbow]

Well, this tier was made for us

[molten night]

what percentile?

[dense elbow]

Looks like 99 to me

[molten night]

yeah thats unrealistic for me so.

[dense elbow]

If it is 50, I die

[molten night]

same

[craggy sleet]

Remember the rule fellas

If u ever thought it was a fury season, just know itll turn into an arms season

[molten night]

maybe ill pick up arms again >.<

[dense elbow]

To be fair, we do what we are brought to do in the raid - really really well

[pulsar quest]

Side eye in my now full geared arms after ending prog

[molten night]

i really don't want too

[jolly marten]

95

[pulsar quest]

I actually have grown to like arms EXCEPT for the fact that it feels heavy rng

[thick fossil]

It would be nice to do actually good damage without cool downs. Or at least a lot more than tank dps without cool downs.

[molten night]

see... thats crazy unrealistic for the average player (like myself)

[pulsar quest]

You can just not get sudden death procs for jokes sometimes and lose your jugg stacks

[craggy sleet]

Why are there clunky bleeds in my mortal strike buttons??

[dense elbow]

Go AM Thane, no CDs, just stable DPS far above tank level (other than prot pala during their CDs with pot)

[molten night]

lol is THane the play now?

[pulsar quest]

I tried am thane on ptr and I felt so far behind every other class lol

[molten night]

for raid/

?

[dense elbow]

For raid, nah

[pulsar quest]

Am thane is fun on live for sure

I did thane on silken prog

Was really good

That’s about it though

[dense elbow]

AM thane is fun for when I just want a braindead experience

Execute specced Slayer is the most fun I have atm tho

[pulsar quest]

See I can’t stand slayer anymore

Execute does no damage at all, you can get completely fucked sometimes because you don’t get procs

[dense elbow]

You done AM slayer, with Massacre/SD/Ashen jugg instead of RB talents?

[pulsar quest]

Your timers can just be completely off because you didn’t get procs

[jolly marten]

50%

[dense elbow]

You always have procs up

and quick storms

BS will be 15% of your overall

a ton of fun

[molten night]

same as DH

roughly

[pulsar quest]

I’ve definitely had queen pulls where I just didn’t have bladestorm up in time because I didn’t get procs

Which is annoying to me

[dense elbow]

Fair, raid is a fickle misstress

[pulsar quest]

I think if execute hit harder I might like it more too

[craggy sleet]

yeah with slayer sd marked procs for cd reduction on bs im def hoping to god i get them before next add set

[thick fossil]

Thane has been the play for M+ for a long time now.

[pulsar quest]

3 stack execute hitting for like 750k makes me want to jump

[oblique trail]

Just use Frenzied on all bosses if you aren't

It heavily mitigates the RNG aspect

[molten night]

oh i meant raid, not M+ i know thane is M+

[dense elbow]

Think blizz have heard the request for more execute raw dam. Hopefully they listen 🙏

But then... ppl got to accept your overall sustained DPS will go down

You want burst? sustained go down. You want execute phase? sustained go down

It is a tradeoff

What is more fun, sustained or bursty and execute phase? I love burst and execute. Most ppl want consistent DPS, sadly. So we cant really expect too much of that.

(yes, I enjoy sniping executes and VC bt in M+ )

[sudden tusk]

speed gaming

[dense elbow]

Got all the gems colours and speed gem, I hope

[frank dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/the-flash-gif-24380280

[sudden tusk]

this is the thired alt withthis goddamn neck

and my main still doesnt have it

[frank dawn]

warbound vaults wen

[dense elbow]

Gz on neck

[chrome plover]

pls no

[frank dawn]

you're right, plz no

[pulsar quest]

By the time execute phase comes around I’m climbing from 10th to 6th like buh

[warm crag]

whats with fury and posting contextless cropped graphs

[pulsar quest]

https://tenor.com/view/cuh-guh-buh-gif-26372267

I actually have still yet to find the right time to hit execute as fury lmao

I like never hit it I feel like

Unless playing slayer ofc

[warm crag]

thane just presses it instead of slam or

[pulsar quest]

Yeah that’s pretty much what I do

So like never almost

[warm crag]

not that difficult of a conditional

[pulsar quest]

In m+ that’s basically never

[winter shoal]

I'm not good enough to post graphs with context

[oblique trail]

donnerklap

[warm crag]

what if tc on cd and you havent talented bloodthirst?

[oblique trail]

Consider using slam

[warm crag]

You have no more pieces left to place

the game is over

[covert blaze]

hooly

[sullen dove]

perish perhaps

me when no crafted gear for optimal ilvl per screenshot

[chrome plover]

nerf arms warrior and windwalker

[dense elbow]

I agree with the information shown, as such I agree

[chrome plover]

you are very smart

[covert blaze]

warrior on top 💪

[dense elbow]

Warrior so heavy it flattens out and spreads on the bottom

... no wonder ppl call us heavy to carry

[vast token]

Do i download a DPS meter addon or keep being blissfully unaware of how bad I'm playing (i will not look at a rotation guide)

I sure feel like I'm cranking

[dense elbow]

Download the details addon, then script it to always show you on top

[vast token]

Fantastic idea

[restive granite]

found this, is it true were at the top?

[dense elbow]

Nah, that is just flab, dont flatter yourself

[restive granite]

fixed

[dense elbow]

can you flip it the correct direction? Thanks

[coarse nest]

Wait we’re the farthest negative!?!?

[craggy sleet]

no we're farthest best

[limber verge]

guys

i have a question

when you do fury rotation in m+ with mountain thane build

do you put bloodbath with low crit % as higher priority

or

empowered raging blow

[thick fossil]

Ah hell nah, I do not want to grind 10 characters to get a chance at certain items.

[unreal onyx]

CB > BB >ramp > BT > RB

(if enraged)

[marble schooner]

good vault

[thick fossil]

Tough choice

I was able to pick up a second mythic track weapon. This time with avoidance.

[marble schooner]

idk I think trinket is still the obv choice no?

[coarse nest]

Is it odd that I’m hoping my vault sucks so I can put socket on my 3rd crafted wrists

[marble schooner]

I can just craft a Mast Haste Neck

[coarse nest]

Necks a nice to have I guess depending on your stat distribution but I’d definitely go trinket if you don’t have a good one yet imo

Could also sim them instead of feely craft

[marble schooner]

I got SV hero neck atm and my haste is good

like 21% last I checked

so I dont think i need more

[covert blaze]

trinket angle prob

could still get the neck in raid

[winter shoal]

Can also just sim

Neck doesn't exist in raid Zhai

It's a fable

[limber verge]

ok can u explain

what

cb bb

is

[covert blaze]

not the point when future proofing

[unreal onyx]

crushing blow, bloodbath

[winter shoal]

I arrived late to the conversation, just doing a little xddChatting

[unreal onyx]

empowered ragiing blow, empowered bloodthirst

[limber verge]

crushing blow is empowered raging yes

ahh kk

so cb bb and then i should ramp up my crit % for my bloodbath ?

[marble schooner]

yah im going trink for this reason

[unique umbra]

Has anyone found which of reckless abandon or anger management is performing better on st versus AOE?

[gilded pawn]

On live or ptr

[unique umbra]

Ptr

I've played with both but really haven't found anger management to really shine anywhere in raid. Add timings never line up well with warrior CDs

[dense elbow]

Dont worry, AM got its place with slayer in m+. Feels real good there if nothing else.
RA will be hard to beat in raid, as ST is usually just that important.
Doubt they will grant warrior another tier where we get OP due to timings. At least I hope not.

... dont want more nerfs because of the raid.

[unique umbra]

Haha yeah. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if arms ends up being the play for the raid. Or that for arms you end up running 2 piece 2 piece

[indigo arch]

Can it be season 2? I'm really tired of these vaults.

[devout totem]

you will get the same vault in s2

[indigo arch]

true

just looked at s2 dungeon rotation, all i'm gonna get is the stupid motherlode red button

[modest hollow]

do anyone change reckless abandon for Anger managment in some m+?

[summer quail]

Idk man, i just can't see slayer being the play in m+ next season

[dense elbow]

Never was, but it wont stop me. AM still got its place with Slayer

No TT OF to have you hold BS, going to feel great

[restive edge]

How did fury do for ptr raid testing?

[coarse nest]

You could play thane AM Ravager

You get reck and ravager every like 30 seconds

[dense elbow]

AM Thane works great, a bit boring in the long haul, but it does good dam

[summer quail]

not good

[pulsar quest]

didnt feel fun

from the testing in raid/keys i did

[summer quail]

still fun imo. just same as always basically

[restive edge]

Oof

Is 2set/4set active?

[pulsar quest]

i mean it felt exactly the same, just didnt feel like good damage

[summer quail]

yes

[summer quail]

yes. but you don't alter the rotation or anything like that. tierset is decently strong, it's just there

[pulsar quest]

im not sure how i feel about the new RA though

[restive edge]

Yeah but if it wasn't active then that would explain lackluster damage etc, just wanted to ask

[summer quail]

nahh we're just tuned low atm. like we're tuned low in m+ on live as well. on live the raid just happens to have really good encounters for us

[pulsar quest]

theres also the Best in slot weapon on use not working still

we were also 615 ilvl tuned down

[summer quail]

the ilvl part isn't really relevant. all the other classes were also set to an ilvl. and they were destroying

like destro warlock

[unique umbra]

Yeah it's hard with RA bc bloodbath hits so hard during reck, that it seems like you're foregoing a lot of your set bonus damage really only rampaging to maintain enrage from my testing

Additionally a lot of trinkets at 2 or 3m CDs, and add timings don't work out really well with your CDs. That and not many fights where adds are grouped together other than the boss with the bikes.

[pulsar quest]

Yeah like the dino fighty

[unique umbra]

Kinda feel like AM will be stronger in the long haul with passive bonus trinkets

[pulsar quest]

the two bosses group for just a few seconds

decent for arms

not great for fury

i was running AM on a few fights and it felt decent

like on mugzee

[unique umbra]

Like the one arm bandit or w.e with the coins you put in him, those adds aren't grouped and don't move. You only get cleave at the start

[pulsar quest]

mugzee felt good with AM because you have cds for like every wall add set

[unique umbra]

Yeah I think arms might be stronger overall. But who knows rn

I ended up tanking mugzee but that fight was incredibly hard, so I never really got to get a feel dpsing it. But even that fight, when you're in the wall you can't cleave anything that's nearby. And the left side adds are again spaced so you only cleave one at a time with the boss.

Hoping to do some more testing this week and get a better feel. Just hard to know bc the talent tree is so weird now. Never know if what I'm playing is really optimal

[dense elbow]

That is what make the PTR kinda fun, noone are really 100% sure, so ya got a reason to just say "fuck it, test that"

[drifting aspen]

Why do I sim higher in ST as fury? Lol

[sudden tusk]

stats prob

[summer quail]

stats better for fury

[oak garden]

wdis someone testing which Trinkets we should go?

[sudden tusk]

eye of kazan and torqs big red buttno atm

from what ive used

[drifting aspen]

I thought stats were essentially the same from arms to fury

[sudden tusk]

arms wants crit. fury wants mastery

both want haste

[drifting aspen]

Ah

I’m mostly in prot gear stats which is probably why

[oak garden]

yeah so its 3 Items from the Endboss XD

[drifting aspen]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w1LzeERocv8GiNzTpndKwF

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qeUnKk9HYKPR9x3SfGQNkZ

2 weeks ago arms was beating fury which is why I asked 🤷‍♂️

[hardy bluff]

i mean thats kinda withing margin of error

[gleaming siren]

Anda who

[slim coral]

I cannot wait to go back into MOTHERLOADE this week

[grizzled geyser]

https://raider.io/characters/us/hyjal/Bradgar should I take mythic track khardros or the hero track sureki insignia neck

[winter shoal]

What other trinkets do you have available to you

[unique umbra]

Prob khard. Not many trinkets are worthwhile and crafted neck is good.

[winter shoal]

^

[rustic surge]

do you always want to take transmitter since it sims so high?

[fervent yoke]

Can dps warriors get any love in ptr sheeesh

[grizzled geyser]

Thank you i appreciate it

[summer quail]

yes. transmitter easily our best trinket

[fervent yoke]

Transmitter the best except when you pull queen and see your orb float away into the nether

[fossil nebula]

Alright boys, we've got some options from the vault.

Looks like our main picks are either:

1. BiS chest piece (Warsculptor's Furred Plastron). From an ilvl standpoint it's a small jump from 610 -> 616, but it's the only BiS piece I see here in the vault.
2. Alternative BiS trinket (Mad Queen's Mandate). This will be a larger jump in ilvl 577/584 -> 616. I haven't seen any sims to see how effective that ability is, but it seems nice!
3. Troggstitched Drape for back slot. I don't see it listed anywhere as BiS/alternative BiS, but it would be a blue -> purple upgrade from ilvl 564 -> 606.

Any input on which is the best pick?

When I say BiS and alternative BiS, I'm solely going off of a guide I saw. I have zero idea if they're actually BiS.

[fervent yoke]

Have you simmed any of these on raidbot?

I would take the tier imo

[fossil nebula]

I have not. Is that the typical course of action? Sorry been out of the loop on WoW for a long time and the concept of simming is new to me.

[fervent yoke]

Yeah get the simc add on then run it in game and paste it into raid bots with those items selected

[fossil nebula]

Will do. When you say tier are you referring to the chest?

[fervent yoke]

Yeah the chest, I have mad queens and used it like twice - I enjoy transmitter way more if you can get the effect consistently.

[covert coyote]

First prio should be getting tier set online, BiS wep/trinks on myth track

[gleaming siren]

That's a skill issue

[fossil nebula]

Sounds like a plan. Thanks, gents!

[fervent yoke]

oh I’m chasing it even if I fall off the platform 😅

[gleaming siren]

Just spawn it better

[warm crag]

self report

[gleaming horizon]

just ran normal for finery and im 15/16, am i fucked chat

[smoky vale]

no?

[gleaming horizon]

how do i get more now xd

[smoky vale]

do more raids?

[winter shoal]

Run on an alt

[smoky vale]

hi bigbowwl

[coral canopy]

silly question.. currentlyi have heroic ara-kara sacbrood, and heroic treacherous transmitter.... should i replace the ara-kara with a mythic Mark of Khardros (which would give me 2 on use trinekts?)

[hardy bluff]

dont think so

[coral canopy]

the other option is upgrading circle of bones from heroic to mythic.

[winter shoal]

Sim yourself but you probably want hero sac + myth mark

You can craft a 636 ring

[coral canopy]

k, ill have to look, have not simmed myself in soo long

[coral canopy]

is the site, simulationcraft.org?

[winter shoal]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-raidbots-and-run-character-simulations-6050

Follow that, run a top gear simulation with whatever combinations you care about

5min 1target patchwerk is a good default

[coral canopy]

ah, raidbots,

i forgot the site

ty

[gusty compass]

What embelishment do you guys rec for cloak if you already have Writhing

[fickle bluff]

if your using writhing then you wouldnt use an embellishment on cloak

[gusty compass]

alright

[hybrid karma]

can go lfr with a twink if you have one

[coral canopy]

Sadly.. the only upgrade appears to be the ring (or one of the trinkets for tank spec)

think i should take the Sikran's endless Arsenal for tank, and make crafted ring?

[winter shoal]

I have a hard time believing a 639 mark isn't better than a 626 transmitter

[dense elbow]

Tansmitter was mainstat, no?

[hardy bluff]

transmitter is alot better

[coral canopy]

odly it wouldnt let me set my mark to 639

it only let me put it to 632 for some reason

[hardy bluff]

because you dont have the crests

add some manually

[hybrid karma]

set crests to max

its above your gear if you didn't see that

[coral canopy]

ah

ty

sorry im a goober, i have not simmed in ages

[winter shoal]

All good bud, you don't know what you don't know

[dense elbow]

true words are true

[coral canopy]

doesnt help that i just took my backpain meds...

im startting to feel loopy now

so my cognative facelties are.... impared.

do either of you two prot tank by chance

[smoky vale]

sadly

[coral canopy]

oh... lol,... sim came back, even at max level its still a 763 dps loss.

ima try dungeon slice to see how i would be in M+

even worse on dungeon slice

[coarse nest]

Heroic Transmitter sims better for me in burst aoe than mythic mark and mythic shard

It’s easily the best option for most people I’d imagine

Combined with powerful enrage especially

[tired violet]

i just dont like transmitter since sometimes the rng for what you have to do is shit lol

[smoky vale]

self report

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-type-gif-24052524

[coarse nest]

I definitely hear you on that I used to think the same but once I got one and started to play with it it’s actually really simple to complete every time

I actually dislike the jump one the most myself

[tired violet]

yeah i mean, i just press it to do the gymnastics before the pull lol

[tired violet]

the jump one on a caster is horrid, melee is pretty dog too

[grand condor]

Quick question about parse padding (we're on farm); I feel like it takes too many globals for me to get my OF/Roar/Bladestorm off to get any value since adds are dying too quickly. Should I only hit Bladestorm and use OF/Roar elsewhere?

[smoky vale]

what fight

and difficulty

[grand condor]

Mythic Rash/Ovinax

Adds are dying super fast

[smoky vale]

ovinax parsing is having people get infested

[grand condor]

That's cursed af

[smoky vale]

and rash is just positioning and pressing before others do

idk

or just having 1 guy solo adds

as fury you can ramp pretty fast on ovinax

unless the adds are exploding in 3 globals

[coral canopy]

i wanted to clairify something for my dps btw

if im using bladestorm (without avitar/dragonbreath)

do i pop um.. leme find the name

[smoky vale]

odins fury?

[coral canopy]

yeah

do i hit that FIRST?

[smoky vale]

you of bs

[coral canopy]

then bladestorm/

not sure i follow, You of bs?

[smoky vale]

you odins fury bladestorm

[grand condor]

If you have Titanic Rage you would Avatar or OF first, then BS

Since you'll get avatar and enrage out of it

[coral canopy]

kk... second question... sometimes Oden's is up like 10 sec (and sometimes 15) before Bladestorm

hold oden's for BS?

or just use everything on cd

[smoky vale]

i think the answer is just send

unless adds are spawning

[grand condor]

I personally would hold, since if you get a 3 stack of Marked for Execution for an Execute proc then one execute will reset 15 seconds off Bladestorm right there

[coral canopy]

so if its a group of adds (or end of a pull), hold it

[grand condor]

And then you bladestorm is empowered

[smoky vale]

it just depends

[coral canopy]

empowered by Oden's yes?

(or something else?)

[smoky vale]

but you really only hold bs if avatar is coming in 10s or less

[coral canopy]

good to know for that

[grand condor]

with Titanic Rage, Odyn's will proc Enrage and Avatar

[smoky vale]

but if you know adds are spawning you should hokd

[coral canopy]

one last silly question, even thouigh this is fury channel.. i have been doing fury for raids and dungeons alike..

is Arms better in some scenarios (should i learn arms)?

and is arms really complicated, or nice and simple like fury (im too old for complex stuff)

[coarse nest]

I was able to get a 96 on ovinax by sending all cooldowns on every add set we didn’t cheese extra parasites on purpose but we had some extra
I think it really comes down to how many padders you have

[smoky vale]

arms is brain off

[smoky vale]

hi brewjj

[coarse nest]

👋

[coral canopy]

thats good..

[smoky vale]

but its impossible to beat top 200 logs unless you infest

[coral canopy]

is there a scenario i should use arms over fury then?

[smoky vale]

i was mainly thinking about 99s not rest

because rest is just hit cds when adds and pray you dont have a lot of padders and good kill time and always break 4

[coarse nest]

Yeah 99s are going to be real challenging to get when adds are involved even if you play absolutely perfect

It depends how much others are trying to pad

[grand condor]

Arms is objectively better in pure ST. It's very good in 2 target fights like Silken Court. It's very situational in dungeons, but can be fun.

[dense elbow]

Fury objectively more cool, as 2x 2h better than 1. So, Fury better in all aspects, as rule of cool trumps anything.

[smoky vale]

https://tenor.com/view/geeked-locked-in-angry-bubu-red-bird-red-gif-13807202352659823415

[grand condor]

It's simple in ST. It can be very clunky in AOE situations, especially if you're going from pull to pull and your cooldowns don't quite linup

[coral canopy]

so really only like.. 1 fight in raid is good for arms..

[coarse nest]

Arms is good for all fights

[grand condor]

Sikran and Princess

[coarse nest]

It does good boss dam

Compared to fury

[coral canopy]

almost seems not worth spending extra time learning =p have not even looked at stats either.

[dense elbow]

Boss dam is overrated

[smoky vale]

cope

[coral canopy]

k, ty all for your time 🙂

[dense elbow]

[coarse nest]

If you have two warriors one should play arms

It’s good!

[grand condor]

Just learn and play both. They're both fun

[smoky vale]

real

real

real

[coarse nest]

Real

[smoky vale]

shoot arms!

[grand condor]

There's no need to be tribalistic, we're all brown people

[smoky vale]

no arms is that bad

most miserable shit to play

[clever belfry]

Make Arms Great Again

[smoky vale]

i love pressing execute 5 times without tierset proc

gg

[coral canopy]

ooo

i remember my other question..

bu... leme look at wowhead rotation rq.

before i ask stupid question

[smoky vale]

ask

i remember the rotation

[coral canopy]

basically trying to find out... which is the most important things to click in rotation priority

like... sometimes i have soo much rage and things popping so fast i cant click them all

[smoky vale]

you will overcap rage as reckless abandon

you just live with it

[coral canopy]

like how important is proc execute vs non proc, vs proc axe, vs blahblah

and is enrage like.. #1 prio not to cap

[smoky vale]

you never press execute unless 2 sd, jug falling off, sd falling off, or 3 mfe

[coarse nest]

Please yes 🙏

[coral canopy]

2sd?

[smoky vale]

no you ignore rage as reckless abandon

sudden death

[coral canopy]

so thats the proc right

[smoky vale]

mo

[clever path]

Warrior class full rework when please? Our capstones are crying

[smoky vale]

not happening bub

[summer quail]

2 expansions from now

[smoky vale]

hi mutou

[coral canopy]

so... as long as we have enrage on, it is not high on prior im guessing

[summer quail]

hi gio

[coral canopy]

focus on axe > bloodbath?

[smoky vale]

with what talent?

[clever path]

Kind of sucks other classes get reworks and redos and warrior is stuck with our 2010 kit just slightly changed

[coral canopy]

thunderous rawrsreckless abandon, bladestorm, oden's fury

(last i looked that was the M+ burst build)

[dense elbow]

To be fair, Fury plays like a dream right now - just Odyn's being a bit off on PTR, rest is like a well oiled machine playwise

Dont really want that changed

[smoky vale]

nope

[vague sierra]

Leave my class alone just give it bloodlust.

[smoky vale]

that fixes 0 problems

nice

[modest condor]

warrior isnt meta
players: we just need shockwave then we will be taken to keys copium
warrior gets shockwave and nothing changes
players: we just need lust and then we will be taken to keys copium

[smoky vale]

ik what we need silm

[clever belfry]

we just need to do fucking damage

[modest condor]

^

[smoky vale]

BIG FUCK DAM

BIG FUCK DAMM

[devout totem]

do damage dont die

[clever belfry]

like enha is quite squish

[slim coral]

imagine having cds that do damage

[clever belfry]

yet you play around it living and just win

[slim coral]

[chilly fractal]

BIG MOTHERFUCKIN RIGGS

[smoky vale]

i love spellwarding sac ps rescue zephyr amz rapture

am i missing anything

[sly mulch]

Warrior hasn't been meta in 8 years so keep hoping

[modest condor]

yeah even the needing to be tanky thing is copium

spriest wasnt tanky last expansion, enha isnt tanky right now

if you do the most damage people will make it work

[smoky vale]

you just baby them

[clever belfry]

spriest was upper mid level tanky

[gleaming siren]

If you do damage you're allowed to be a passenger princess

[clever belfry]

preshield + pre flash was A LOT

[smoky vale]

fade

plus fort

[modest condor]

preshield + preflash barely got you to warrior baseline tankiness

[clever belfry]

• it made others live easier with stam to funnel more stuff in itself

[gleaming siren]

Only problem Shadow had was ooming itself

[clever belfry]

shadow was good defensively, anything else a bit fake lore

[plucky wedge]

anyone tried handing in finery yet?

[gleaming siren]

Warrior baseline tankiness was very good tho until they gave every class 10% flat DR and 20% Stamina

[modest condor]

having a lot of defensives is cool but if your baseline is squishy you're just playing catchup with classes like dk, paladin, warrior, warlock

[clever path]

Warrior is in this weird middle ground where we don’t bring top damage and we don’t bring amazing group utility. So even if we are “fine” being fine doesn’t fix not being the best at something

Like either give us big fuck damage and forget utility or give us something to make our spot worthwhile on the team

[dense elbow]

We already had shockwave, wdum?

[modest condor]

no we didnt, we got it in dragonflight

[dense elbow]

How can they ask for something they didnt know of?

I am confused, all I ever saw was asking for Hero and CR since forever

Shockwave was all just "we cant take it... buhhuuuuu"
"It is only a 1% dps loss, you can."
"No... buhuuuu, if only we could, buhuuuu"

[modest condor]

you didnt pay attention during bfa or shadowlands then

[dense elbow]

If anyone think anything matters more than raw damage, they should get out

[modest condor]

hell in shadowlands we had aftershock and people were still crying about not having shockwave

[dense elbow]

We dont need to fit the comp - if we can be what the comp is built around

[clever path]

I miss the constant knockdowns that did

Get rid of spear give us fae stomp again

[vague sierra]

Still comes back to damage, but shockwave certainly didn't hurt. 🤷‍♂️

[modest condor]

no thanks dont give us aftershock again

[dense elbow]

DPS ability that is our CC, was something to behold :P

[modest condor]

"oh your biggest nuke is a ground effect that lasts 15 seconds? would be a shame if the tank had to move"

it was also bugged and randomly missing ticks for most of the expansion

[clever path]

Eh just means you had to play around it. I liked the extra utility it gave.

Not saying it was our best ability or anything

[dense elbow]

Play around your opener? Hell naw

Team better play around my opener

:(

Either way, we wont be meta before we bring the dam

that wont happen

It is what it is

[clever path]

I would just like to see our capstones culled and redone if anything

Most of them feel like trash

[dense elbow]

I agree they could use a touch up. But things are on the up'n up. Like UF is only a % increase away from being a ton of fun with the new RA.

OF is now opened to really pack a punch with its stones powering it up (without the hamstering that was the double up potential)

I would love to see OS reworked to something else.

Bladestorm is fine as is

Will we see any of these positive changes? Very likely not. But there is a sliver of a chance

(OS good in PvP tho, so got that going for it - PvP dedicated node confirmed)

[clever path]

I mean as long as they keep changing stuff I’m fine. It’s just when the entire community keeps saying the same things about the class and it stays the same for entire tiers, that’s when I get frustrated

I like overall how the class plays

But our numbers just havent been there for a while

[dense elbow]

Would be a madman to not

Numbers are "fine", it can get m raid done and we even got nerfed cause of the raid potential we bring.

M+ is fine, we can do all the content problem free, just not infinetly push up as others.

If we good in m+, we will get nerfed 100% of the time, due to raid

[clever path]

We got nerfed because blizzard designed fights catered to us then fucked us instead of just letting us have some amazing fights

[dense elbow]

They always will. But with TT gone, there is hope

we will be less volatile

[clever path]

It’s stupid to design fights that a class is good at then kill that class instead of learning from that design choice

[dense elbow]

Because in raid, OF actually does decent dam

[clever path]

Yeah I’ll miss using OF

[old dust]

Hi guys

Any tips for MM Ovi Nax? Im strugling to get Recklesness on time for each egg explosion

[clever path]

Always was one of my favorite things in legion

[clever belfry]

spec DOI

[dense elbow]

Dont worry Azzy, OF is likely getting quite the big buff through nodes being fixed to actually impact the ability. Then it all good

(lets just pray the "it is fine as is" crowd dont push their voice through)

[clever path]

It’ll be worthless if left as is

That’s my take though

[dense elbow]

Nah, will prob be a raid fight where it is an efficent GCD

[clever belfry]

itll be piss useless for one tier

then next tier set will cater to it and ure forced to play it

cya next xpac for more predictions

[clever path]

One of the capstones for OF should be season 3 tier effect

[dense elbow]

While Anda is prob right, I wish they just fixed the baseline prob for once.

This is DF all over again :v

[clever path]

Yeah our baseline kit is hurting these days

[oblique trail]

piss balls

[clever belfry]

maybe

[dense elbow]

Overall kit? I find it to be more than fine. My only gripe is undertuned DPS numbers and OF being really undertuned

[clever belfry]

hop on LC

[oblique trail]

nyope

it's bed time

[clever belfry]

and yes, piss is stored i nthe balls

[oblique trail]

tomorrow big day

[clever belfry]

if u dont join

u will lose

i dont make the rules sry

[oblique trail]

I've already won

idiot

[clever belfry]

hmm no?

[old dust]

Ì got it, but still cant get in on time

[oblique trail]

Do you have Frenzied talented

Or are you running Powerful

If you aren't, go Frenzied, and if you still struggle and also not lusting on pull, try charge weaving, especially as Broodtwister is moving to the first cannister

The extra 40 rage from Charge can be the difference between you getting the last Rampage you need

[old dust]

Sorry got in another language the game, can you show me wich one is frenzied?

[oblique trail]

At the top of the talent tree

It's the Enrage talent that gives you haste and movespeed

[old dust]

ahh, i got the other one

[oblique trail]

Try with Frenzied then instead, and it should make it a lot more consistent

[old dust]

Feeling much better now, tyvm guys ❤️

[smoky vale]

guys who is build

[safe moon]

Quick question on stats - at around 25% haste for my crafted 636 pieces I'm starting to see mastery/vers sim better, or mastery crit, than mastery/haste, I know there isn't a cap, but would this be considered normal?

Sim, for example: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cBGYQbQXC1NWtnxPuwcxpB

[dense elbow]

Ye, it is normal for mast/vers to have some value depending on your gear options

Sims aint lyin', dont worry about it

[safe moon]

Great, thanks

[summer quail]

vers pretty good stat for fury

[dense elbow]

Haste/Mast and Haste/Vers for my crafted gear simed only a few k difference, I went for the versa

I am very tanky

[heavy sparrow]

As a reminder, is execute bad, or is raging blow too good?

[sonic shoal]

Both

[covert blaze]

both

[hardy bluff]

both

[sonic shoal]

There's too much talents and other stuff that buffs raging blow, so it is very good, maybe shouldn't be that way- and execute has nothing going for it

[dense elbow]

If you dont take any RB talents, then execute is kinda decent if you also take its buffing talents

[sonic shoal]

To be honest nerfing or taking away something for raging blow maybe would do it some justice, but our single isn't good anyway so nerfing it further isn't the go to.
Our execute phase though is shit, so they should work on that matter

[dense elbow]

Our exe phase is decent thanks to VC

Exe itself is, kinda alright, even then - esp on ST

[sonic shoal]

Well maybe, but you're forced to take VC over OF, which shouldn't be the case imo and Execute as the name says should be the one to be hitting hard

[dense elbow]

OF is premium AoE burst, on ST it kinda shouldnt be the pick - but ye, if you look at the talents as tiers, OF being top tier and VC mid tier - it is kinda weird you would drop OF

but as two different functional talents, it is a choice - and not wrong per se

[sonic shoal]

That is one thing and another is that most fights in raid were having some adds and you don't want much ST on keys anyway

[dense elbow]

ST in keys are really important, but I get what you mean

[sonic shoal]

It's not like we excel at 5 targets, we don't do well in bigger pulls, so pulling away from OF to get a bit better ST which is bad anyway... Well it looks like only bad choices tbh

[dense elbow]

We dont excell at anything but raid fights that let us use our burst window for max effect

[sonic shoal]

Having played almost nothing else than warrior for years, I tried Unh recently and we have so few buttons to press, we have instant burst... But we're hella capped :/ We should at least excel at 3-5 targets and have our ST buffed

[dense elbow]

We used to be really great at more than that, but we had to be balanced for the raid

Goes from Warrior to Unholy - "So this, this is AoE damage... I never knew it could be so, powerful."

[sonic shoal]

Yeah, but the tradeoff is that you need some setup to do it, almost everything is on gcd

For some reason I'd rather stick to warriors simplicity

[dense elbow]

We are simple minded creatures, we want to press button and do damage

[sonic shoal]

Exactly

[dense elbow]

Sadly, many here want that to change. Still, TWW warr designer on beta really helped push my perfect vision. Removing hurricane and empowering our burst buttons.

Sadly, after that. The balance team started to go "ppl having fun?! not on my watch, think of the raid encounters we designed ot be like this! Myeh!"

And now our damage is spread out, moved accross procs and it is all on its way back to old design patterns.

[heavy sparrow]

Just remove or reduce slaughtering, it's the most obvious choice

It adds nothing it's just a % damage amp for ramp, but it makes raging blow way too good

[sonic shoal]

My main pain point is that as everyone knows, we don't bring much utility to the table, but our damage isn't outstanding either. If I were to choose a dps for my key I'd rather pick a Survi hunter- a bit worse utility than warrior imo (apart from lust, but I'm considering having other source of it) but does better damage than us -,-

[dense elbow]

Be real, you bring a shaman, cause damage and utility. Even if they a bit glasscannony. That last part is why they don't annoy me as much.

Ret beating warrior on dam tho, is a warcrime

They are warrior+, more damage and utility

[sonic shoal]

DK being more tanky than warrior with a double 2hander is a crime as well. I mean most classes are about my hp even if I take Steadfast lol

[dense elbow]

I dont mind DK being more tanky, if they were less mobile. Kinda their whole fantasy

[sonic shoal]

Imo we should go back to legion and Convergence times. Fast paced spec that gets rewarded for being active, you keep rotating your CDs and have insane burst during it

[dense elbow]

Well, we do have AM, wdum?

AM also a lot better for slayer, now that you dont hold BS for OF line ups, so you get 3 casts instead of 2. Then, it is a question if they going to buff Bladestorm and OF to be worth, without the avatar buff on top.

[heavy sparrow]

Man, shaman is so fucking good on ptr, it';s really fun, and powerful and it has effectively 2 specs in one

Which do not affect each other too much, and both are good

[dense elbow]

I am happy for ya shamans, I really am

[sonic shoal]

Yeah, but reck isn't the legion's version where it lasted only 6 sec but had 100% crit. And unless you talent into Berserker's Torment you don't get Avatar. Ravager isn't doing crazy damage either so even though you rotate your CDs, reck rotating doesn't mean much in my eyes

[heavy sparrow]

So if you play enhance you not only are powerful, but you have actual choice

Which is why it's my main and has been since legion

Though, ww monk gets close

And mage was also really cool, until 11.0

[dense elbow]

Enjoy the power while it lasts. Warrior is always mid. But shaman is either great or dead

[heavy sparrow]

Start of tww mage was awesome

I mean, enhance has been really powerful at 6 target aoe and st since df, but now they also have tools to do uncapped aoe

[sonic shoal]

I don't want to spew nonsense but in BfA and Legion we were pretty good at some points

I enjoyed SL as well, we were doing nice at keys, even though I never switched to Kyrian/NF

[dense elbow]

We still doing nice keys even now, warrior is doing 19s

[summer quail]

s2 df we were great, until godcomp happened.

[dense elbow]

Ppl never gonna let go of that, even if warrior was falling off before godcomp happened :v

[summer quail]

it wasn't falling off tho

[dense elbow]

It will forever be the "if that didnt happen, I would be great!" thing

[summer quail]

you're just mad we didn't play odyns that season

[sonic shoal]

Is doing, yeah. That's the point- you don't get invited to pugs though. Which is another conversation altogether, but had we been balanced properly (and other classes as well) maybe we would have a nice game

[dense elbow]

Well, that is kinda trua

[young swan]

is that why people had warriors prepped for tgp prior to 10.1.5?

[dense elbow]

OF was 11% DPS loss, in practial key usage.

I am sure they had other classes prepped as well, Xan

[young swan]

yeah there was a melee comp and a ranged comp

[dense elbow]

Maybe you are right, maybe you are wrong. It will forever be the "what if" scenario, that can never be answered, but forever pointed to.

[young swan]

melee was like fury, enh, spriest and ranged was like dev, spriest, fire

@clever belfry would know better

[clever belfry]

not sure it was fire

[young swan]

yeah i couldnt remember the 3rd class

oh it was dh

i think?

[clever belfry]

i dont remember that part

[young swan]

cause it was before veng got giga

[clever belfry]

mayhap it was

[sonic shoal]

I know it will be just speculation, but do you guys think we will get buffed prior to 11.1? Or at the start of it?

[young swan]

prob get tuning towards the end of the ptr cycle

[dense elbow]

Kinda expect us to be released more or less as is, then maybe get an aura buff raid week 1 or 2. Then left to rot till next patch, where we get fixed and suddenly pump.

[sonic shoal]

Meh... It is the first expansion that I wanted to play from start to end, so the outlook on how warrior is now and on ptr isn't making me happy :/

[modest condor]

we're in the 2nd week of ptr

i dont get this fixation with numbers when the ptr has barely started

[young swan]

most of the gripes with warrior are with design, dont think anyone with half a brain is particularly worried about dps tuning (talent tuning is a diff story)

[modest condor]

if the patch is about the launch and there's still no tuning it's ok to get nervous

[dense elbow]

Why not? The changes for Fury was kinda cool, and it still plays well :o

[sonic shoal]

Just tired of sitting in the queue simulator tbh and since we don't see meta being nerfed and us getting buffed...

[dense elbow]

Oh that wont change, sorry. We got to be best DPS for being the top pick in the community's eyes.

We only had that during the HC week, where we also got nerfed because of the uproar that created.

[dapper goblet]

WOW

@fleet sorrel

[sonic shoal]

Well maybe, but since the season has slowed down, one only looks at the stuff that is on PTR and wonders I guess

[young swan]

u are so easy to proc man

[modest condor]

wonder about relevant things, like playstyle and dungeon/boss design, not about dps

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/fooly-cooly-flcl-mamimi-samejima-stare-camera-gif-20251391

[sonic shoal]

I don't need to be top to be honest. But don't want any more god comps or classes that just overshadow you that much

[dense elbow]

If you want invites, you got to be favored in the communinty perception.

You can still play, I am currently doing so, and it isnt all doom and gloom. We just got to invest a lot more to do so.

[sonic shoal]

Well since that's kinda a deciding factor of getting into groups and I fail and fail again to get a static, I don't care if I feel awesome playing my class if I don't get to play at all

[sonic shoal]

Yeah maybe, but having done all 14s but 2 and not getting a single invite for them hurts. Not to mention starting with 15s

[modest condor]

that still doesnt change the fact that worrying about balance during the 2nd week of ptr makes no sense

[dense elbow]

Cant blame ppl for wanting the DPS that just does our job but a lot better. Still, you can get it done, just need to put in the effort to team up.

[sonic shoal]

Guess I have to just cheer up then and stop being a doomer 😛

[dense elbow]

That is key

It aint all bad, we just got minor gripes

[young swan]

dunno about that

i wouldnt call our capstone situation a "minor gripe"

[dense elbow]

Spec works fine, sure it is annoying, but it doesnt break us. It is minor in the grand scheme of things

[young swan]

if the spec working is the basis for having complaints then no spec would've gotten reworked since 10.1.5

[dense elbow]

Doubt that, game needs new things to stay fresh

[young swan]

warrior hasnt changed since bfa

[modest condor]

surely we'll get a proper rework in 12.0

[young swan]

surely

[modest condor]

[summer quail]

[dense elbow]

Why would you want a proper rework, when things function already to a satisfactional degree?

[young swan]

because things havent changed since bfa

[dense elbow]

Sure it could be better, but also worse

[young swan]

and the game needs new things to stay fresh

[modest condor]

i personally dont, i like the fury playstyle, but as xan said it's been the same since bfa and people want change

[dense elbow]

If you want change from Fury, change from Fury to another spec?

[modest condor]

also historically reworked specs are meta

[young swan]

my current spec is marvel rivals

[dense elbow]

I am happy for ya

[modest condor]

mine is jani's trashpile

[fleet sorrel]

Illness

Same bit every tier

[young swan]

same bit every tier

[summer crater]

That's what people said for season 1 mythic too

[summer quail]

you mean this season?

[clever path]

My current spec is waiting on monster hunter wilds kek