fury

[storm meadow]

I can't wait to test the new talents

They seem very fun to build with

[winter shoal]

If you're above 100 rage after your ramp > CB > BB, you just ramp again instead of RB (technically sim says 115 rage instead of 100 but I don't think it makes a big difference)

[clever belfry]

real kings have a reck+ava macro and a reck button

(the former is just to press ava)

[covert blaze]

so true

[winter shoal]

real

[young swan]

I think the only button i dont have a standalone for is avatar

[sudden tusk]

yo that boss we tested

was wild

[young swan]

what is it

[sudden tusk]

chaotic as fuck

[clever belfry]

is it gambling

[covert blaze]

everything in 11.1 is gambling

[storm meadow]

Mmh, I wonder how much of a difference it'll make

[sudden tusk]

Stix Bunkjunke

shitload of adds

katamari damachi

[covert blaze]

[winter shoal]

I can tell you in about 5 mins

[winter shoal]

Baseline: 1.571 https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dBjCjXrhqKNoZKxunoFPyY
Change to 100 rage instead of 115: 1.569 https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3bJHaenfdM7oKAWjGg8nNR
Ignore rage check and just rampage if possible: 1.562 https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5uBJYaeb8Y6yow283VUe9F

[storm meadow]

TYVM

I'll try but I'm giving up 10k everytime for simplicity xD

[ionic hamlet]

does anyone know roughly how much haste we need?

[winter shoal]

However much raidbots tells you

[storm meadow]

Raidbots ? I'm typically checking on bloodmallet and murlok.io

How do you do that with Raidbots ? 😮

[winter shoal]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-raidbots-and-run-character-simulations-6050

In general, top gear is probably the only sim you'll really need to use. You can select from whatever combinations of gear/talents/upgrades you want, and it'll tell you what's best

And it's usually more useful to know what's best out of the things you actually have available to you vs what's theoretically best

[slim coral]

No you ride around on a ball and collect trash and blow up bombs

Pretty fun

[clever belfry]

no gambling = no me

[compact knot]

i have been using opportunist and culling cyclone this entire expansion

mother fucker

that is a disaster

[clever belfry]

oh no

anyway

[winter shoal]

L bozo

[slim coral]

Gambling is the 6th boss

It’s a slot machine

You put coins in and get diff mechs depending on your roll

[young swan]

pretty sure you choose the mechanic cause theres a 1-shot if you do the same mechanic combo twice

[autumn mica]

hi all

I'm testing Warrior Fury on the PTR, my question is if there are any known bugs in Fury?

[snow edge]

#updates-midnight message

[autumn mica]

ty

[snow edge]

There’s also issues with RA currently, plus a few other things; don’t know if there’s a comprehensive list since most people expect (hope?) a lot will be resolved sooner rather than later

[slim coral]

Hmm maybe that wasn’t how I understood it from the journal but maybe

[young swan]

i mean it has an enrage if u do the same mechanic twice

500% increased damage

[autumn mica]

I have another question, Slam is not used in the rotation, right? I have the feeling that he does not contribute much to the rotation and I have removed him from the skill bar.

[young swan]

and u just cant have that if its random

read the book some more

[clever belfry]

wow cool its like that other boss

[unique umbra]

What builds have people found good on PTR?

[frank dawn]

Basically same builds as now just not taking OF. Pick up VC or whatever else of your choice

[unique umbra]

Any preference to wildstrikes or cruel strikes?

RA seems kinda toast

[frank dawn]

On single target RA was still doing well for me, but for aoe as both thane and slayer I was getting better results with AM

But RA has more bugs on aoe so, whatever

[young swan]

RA is toast until they fix bugs and tune shit up

[slim coral]

Well technically the first two mechanics you get could be random

[red berry]

i think RA might be competitive in AoE once they fix stuff/assuming the bleed cleaves

but they probably intend for it to be ST niche

[modest condor]

the bleed not cleaving is intentional and yes to your 2nd message

[sturdy violet]

If our dps comp is me, aug and assa should I got AM in mist+15? The first boss seems super scuffed if no one sends anything and of us I seem the most viable to sac some damage to get us through to burn

[inner shadow]

I did, it works great, new update has came out

I spoke of it in the past and people were like no but latency, lsfg3 go brrr

[trail crypt]

do you guys think this is a good ptr build ?

[hardy bluff]

should be alright

[summer quail]

mastery over crit

[frank dawn]

tbh I haven't really tried playing without Deft, but it's hard to imagine that's the play

[oblique trail]

It's abysmal to play without at least 1 point in Deft

[trail crypt]

i have a lot of mastery

[oblique trail]

It's not the mastery, it's the enrage extend on BT

Simwise it probably wouldn't make a big difference, haven't looked, but generally Deft will typically always be the better choice

Compared to the crit node

[summer quail]

even if so, it's % mastery. it's not dr

[pale marten]

anyone mind helping me understand a few mechs with warrior? i

[left perch]

i did not know slam was a boy this whole time

[smoky vale]

what question do you have

[pale marten]

idk what's happening but yesterday my dps was just fine - today i went into a few keys and my dps was 70% lower than it typically is. My raging blow says it should hit for 257k when i mouse over it but when i hit the training dummy im doing about 150k now, why?

only thing that changed was getting a few hero pieces

[smoky vale]

that gives me 0 information

do you have a log

of before and after

[vague sierra]

did you equip a transmog weapon lol

[young swan]

257k is tooltip and accounts for Mainhand and offhand hits, damage numbers from details does not

also yeah make sure u have 2 real weapons

dont have items unequipped

etc etc

[pale marten]

the training dummy window that comes up should add up to the total of 257k no?

those numbers are 150k

[summer quail]

i have to ask, are you enraged when hitting?

[pale marten]

no, but im at 40% mastery and even enraged the total number doesn't add up to the total

[summer quail]

and the enemy has armor(not actually sure if target dummies have armor)

[pale marten]

target dummy ignores armor according to my search

i even brought a guild member much lower ilevel that me and his was hitting exactly the numbers

[covert blaze]

are you hitting the pvp dummy?

did you lose tier set bonus when you changed pieces

[pale marten]

no still holding 4 piece tier set just went from champ to heroic

hitting regular training dummy

[runic violet]

Well.. this is new

[storm rune]

Is that the one piratesoftware guy was complaining about?

[summer quail]

yes

[near wing]

^ I got it too

Just been ignoring it 🤷🏼‍♂️

[runic violet]

yea the game runs fine... but i guess it's time to update things on my computer

[upbeat plume]

Yeah its a bios issue that can cause permenant damage to the cpu, it can strike at random, updating bios is pretty simple and its good to do now and then anyway

[muted star]

its probably also more as a disclaimer if theyre getting a lot of "my wow is crashing, please fix your game" tickets.

[upbeat plume]

if you have an updated motherboard it dosent appear though, alot of boards in the retail market have been sitting on shelves for months so alot of them have outdated bios', but this issue has been a recent one that only really afflicts intels 13th and 14th gen cpus

it takes all of lke 10min to do so its worth doing for more reasons then just the wow pop up

[runic violet]

I built this PC about a year ago.

[upbeat plume]

that would be right around the time these boards/cpus were showing trouble signs, obviously cant tell you waht to do but I agree with your early sentiment of time to upgrade, at least the bios lol

[clever belfry]

100% update your bios if youre on those platforms

i think its good that blizzard gives you this popup, cause technews shit goes past a lot of people (rightly so)

yes they dont do it for altruistic reasons, but likely due to statistics showing them a spike in 13/14th gen intel crash tickets

but the reasons dont REALLY matter

[quiet yew]

Since Im playin ret as a twink in m+ fury is feeling completely useless smh

[opaque falcon]

What’s the best trinkets for PTR

[fading sky]

Facts

Battleshout 10% in grps and rally 20% lets go!!!

Make that shaman carry u 5% faster!

[clever belfry]

110/105 is not 5%

[bleak olive]

I built this pc on rock and roll.

[flat river]

Rally is 10%

[clever belfry]

Read again gala

and this time engage neurons

[gleaming siren]

anda toxic again

[gleaming siren]

To add to this, update ESPECIALLY if you don't have problems right now because your piece of shit CPU might still be salvagable

As soon as you start having issues it's joever

[clever belfry]

Yes there is no excuse to not update bios, with almost all boards supporting either in OS updates or some flashback variant

Unless you hate your cpu and want to buy a new one soon

[wintry smelt]

I updated my bios and now my rog logo on startup is red

Worth it

[fresh socket]

Im a amd user maybe i should look into a bios update

[wintry smelt]

AM4 platform u had to with B550 when 5000 series came out but if you’re on AM5 and on b650 x670 yes update bios if going for 9000. But you should always update cause yeah

[clever belfry]

ehh quite often its not necessary to update BIOSes
rarely you get perf
rarely you get stability improvements

if you upgrade your cpu you gotta patch in support frequently

[fresh socket]

Not sure what i got, its a prebuilt asus msi laptop

[clever belfry]

The intel thing is something else

ASUS MSI

i doubt that

[clever belfry]

theres probably some software from ur vendor for BIOS/Driver updates, just use that

[fresh socket]

Im prolly wrong

[wintry smelt]

Well when 9000 released board bios would be wrong and wouldn’t work depending on if manufacturer updated it. By now though most should just work out of box

[clever belfry]

okay? that is not whats being talked about, but was still addressed?

[wintry smelt]

I can’t read so didn’t read but had to update mine before it worked

[devout totem]

okey im done with m+ this season 🧘‍♂️

[sour frigate]

its joever

[devout totem]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-diesofcringe-worldofwarcraft-wow-diesofcringa-gif-27522541

[fiery tide]

is it possible to make a macro that displays slam, whirlwind or thunder clap depending on talents selected? if so can anyone send it?

[hardy bluff]

#showtooltip
/cast [known:436707] Thunder Clap
/cast [known:12950] Whirlwind
/cast Slam

[fiery tide]

ty

[glad coyote]

Bro keep going I just got 3100 and I'm keep going

[warm crag]

Warriors have never completed a key higher than 12 there's no point

Maybe if we got battleshout or lust

[glad coyote]

I want banner back buff crit dmg for the group

[pastel spoke]

did anyone yet run smf for some time and can tell how much dmg loss it is

[warm crag]

you can just sim it but its pretty bad

[pastel spoke]

i dont even know what build u would run XD

[warm crag]

same as normal you'd probably just drop bloodcraze for the smf point

[pastel spoke]

would better if BT was baseline and the first Fury talent would be a choice node between SMF and TG

[pastel spoke]

y thought so

[thick fossil]

Nah, delete SMF. Make em both baseline and forget about trying to balance it.

[floral oak]

Anyone knows how to simc "Windsinger's Runed Citrine" when you would shuffle gear around to get the desired secondary stat when equipping it?

My armory shows it giving haste, but I shuffle gear around to get mastery from it.

[gleaming siren]

it's an expansion option

[floral oak]

Oh, haven't played around much under the advance sim tab. I looked through my simc input and couldn't find an expansion group. How would I implement this, and if it's too tedious where could you direct me to too learn more?

[fervent yoke]

I can’t purple court or brood 😔

Should I run AM for both?

[gleaming siren]

Literally put thewarwithin.windsingers_passive_stat=mastery into the "Custom APL and SimC options" window when you scroll down

doesnt have to be in Advanced

[floral oak]

Oh, I see. Thank you very much! I made it much more complicated than it were xd

[warm crag]

its hc you'r either behind in ilvl, misplaying your cds like crazy or your groups just suck

but also those two specific fights literally never matter to parse at all ever

[bitter palm]

100% should

especially if you never updated it

[coarse nest]

For court heroic try playing the thane build and just send CDs on cd see if that bumps you up any

For brood it’s very hard to compete with people who have 8-10 dead boosts in the group and they intentionally pop or add extra parasites to pad

But you could try playing AM slayer and burst every add break

[unreal cosmos]

For those who try on ptr, how is it looking for us ?

[modest condor]

it's looking like we have a couple of changes

[fervent yoke]

Appreciate you!!

[sullen dove]

should always be am for brood if you want pad but doesn’t help anything on court ra all da way

[true trench]

Should I have 2 x authority of the depts or they dont stack and I should have radiant power on 1 hand ?

[floral frigate]

depths

the dmg stacks

[fading sky]

We be dead

Super dooming

[summer quail]

Arms super dooming. AM Thane is very alive so im Bingchilling

[prime pulsar]

i dont think that we are Dead we will be not the best meele but i think we stay in a good dont forget they have 6 weeks to make us great again KEKW

[south kayak]

Why is it alive

[summer quail]

Coz the other builds are dead

RA thane prob pretty good in raid after bb gets fixed as well

[south kayak]

Why Thane specifically

Isn't Slayer better in raid

[covert blaze]

delete slayer from the game

[molten night]

i do fine as thane in raid.

but thats heroic xD

[summer quail]

slayer is better for burst, but with the removal of free odyns from avatar it got nerfed pretty hard. tierset better for thane, new RA better for thane(burst of power)

[tepid lily]

Has somebody reported that the new Titan's torment is trash and it should be reverted?

[summer quail]

should absolutely not be reverted. free odyns from avatar is cringe

[quiet geyser]

New RA is pretty trash too, but meh what you gonna do

[summer quail]

new RA is bugged. so ofc it's trash

[quiet geyser]

Even if it performs, it's boring as fuck

Hate it

[summer quail]

idk i don't think current RA is particularly engaging either. with new RA we atleast get some power into recklessness

[pallid tinsel]

give colossus to fury and thane to arms

[quiet geyser]

Sure, then it's fucking useless for over a minute lol

[summer quail]

well that's kinda the trade-off to an extent. when a cd feels very good it's gonna feel worse when you don't have it

[covert blaze]

100%

[dense elbow]

Hey, with TT gone, I am sure they will rebalance the burst options too. OF baseline is likely to go up, and now that Avatar on the 2nd OF is gone, BS can get a buff too as the bladestorm will hit for that 20% less.
Things are healing, the Torment are gone. Hopefully buttons will get to do their own damage and hurricane Jr's slowly fade away

[pallid tinsel]

I’m just caught up with the changes, do we hate the idea of using both roar and spear or are we happy we could possibly have a build using about 6 cds?

[dense elbow]

You are more likely to take the uproar node, than the spear, at least for m+
Maybe in raid Roar + Spear could be a thing

[pallid tinsel]

Roger

[summer quail]

i don't see us running spear+roar. berzerkers torment actually good, now arms might run spear+roar tho

[dense elbow]

I do run spear+roar as arms, it is decent enough. Just adds more clunk, but it is what it is

Wouldnt want that to be the case for Fury tho

Roar into OF into Storm = ♥

[pallid tinsel]

I tried a build on ptr with spear roar, removing odyns to take double vicious, contempt, thought that was strong. Numbers are probably in shambles on ptr tho.

[dense elbow]

If you go spear, you would want OF no? To really minmax that burst window

[frank dawn]

dropping Odyn's will pretty much always come out ahead on PTR for me at the moment. But you do have to remember the test dummies are like perma execute so that will inflate your VC

[pallid tinsel]

Maybe, I just love big bloodthirst crits in execute

[summer quail]

i'm curious, can you link the build? coz you would sacrifice pretty good capstones to do that

[dense elbow]

Do like I do, run full BT/exe build with AM and OF

ton of fun

big crits

[pallid tinsel]

I know haha, they were dead the whole time. No one even waits for them to reset

[dense elbow]

execute goes burrr

[pallid tinsel]

I do that now on live, it is fun.

[pallid tinsel]

I can give me a minute

[dense elbow]

Same, it is the way to play Slayer

Not the numberical best, a few % behind, but so infinitelty more fun

[summer quail]

your build sacrifices zerkers torment. i think that is too big with new RA

[frank dawn]

not taking zerker torment does not feel like the play for any AM/RA

[summer quail]

yup

[pallid tinsel]

Hmm, well it was my first build, do we like new RA, to me it did not feel too bad, but I’ll do more later.

[frank dawn]

I mean, it's not so much about RA. the new one has lots of bugs, but zerker torment is quite good no matter how you are specced

[summer quail]

i like the concept of it, the dot does no damage right now because it's bugged. i like stacking the dot to like 50 sec

[pallid tinsel]

Understood. You guys seem like you know a lot more than me, so here is a question, why does blizzard keep talents like smf or storm of steel, when they have never been taken nor will they ever and why don’t they just make onslaught baseline?

Since we never ever hit slam, or rarely do, and we would definitely hit onslaught

[mellow bloom]

warrior is not allowed to be good

[frank dawn]

the devs kid must like storm of steel

xd

idk, I can't think of any other reason

[modest condor]

smf: because some people want to play 1h, not everything is about competitive endgame
storm of steel: fuck knows
onslaught: that goes against the point of the talent tree

[pallid tinsel]

Wouldn’t it be better to just have all the points that are invested in slam damage be invested in onslaught to make it more of a competitive talent?
I don’t know I’m just rambling at this point lol

I appreciate everyone’s feedback

[mellow bloom]

give me season 2 already

[summer quail]

the only thing preventing onslaught from being competitive is tuning. they could just buff its damage and then boom we play onslaught

[pallid tinsel]

Got ya

[edgy widget]

Mutou is correct, but the iffy part with Onslaught is tune it too high and we play that everywhere and OF nowhere (or vice versa), which is what we went through in Dragonflight

somewhat similar to the Arms issue of balancing Overpower vs Slam damage

[south kayak]

A good fix would be to make Onslaught non-cleaveable

So it's only used strictly for ST

[pallid tinsel]

Oh yea, I recall that. Makes sense

[molten night]

those were dark times -_-

[edgy widget]

it's also similar to RA vs AM - typically in the case of two things directly competing, one just wins everywhere

which is actually what makes the new RA Bloodbath DoT not cleaving kind of interesting, since that would seem to be pushing it toward a more dedicated single target option, potentially creating room for Anger Management as the multitarget one

[gilded pawn]

Think it’s less extreme for am and ra

There’s more balancing levers for Ra and am

[edgy widget]

Idk, RA has been the front runner all expansion

[molten night]

its like that for every class i would assume that is DPS....... or atleast all the other classes got something every season that just wins everywhere.

[edgy widget]

depending on how much overlap they have, yeah

[molten night]

or am i missing the point? which would probably be my bad.

[gilded pawn]

Whether they use said balancing levers is another question

[edgy widget]

it's not always about the number though, it's about how much overlap there is and whether or not they create an effective niche

OF and Onslaught being a good example because the two abilities do basically the same thing. OF is more concentrated at the expense of a longer cooldown, but most people measure in total throughput over time anyway

[smoky vale]

big dam

[dense elbow]

Just make OS RB+ as it basically is, no need to make it an additonal button that does the exact same thing on a short CD.
OS would need a new bell and some whistles to be seen as fun. Even in PvP where it does dam, it just a glorfied RB on another button.

Wonder what it could become; who knows - devs mind come up with something fun

[gilded pawn]

I think after they changed RA to after rampage, is what made them too similar

Both became throughput talents

The RA on reck makes reck a lot more bursty which is valid choice

In sl s3 you could argue both am and ra were viable

[edgy widget]

eh, the same relationship existed then as now - AM's viability depended on how well things aligned

[gilded pawn]

There were also external borrowed power affecting it ofc

[edgy widget]

the change to after Rampage certainly made RA better in the sense that it was more regularly felt, but I don't think really changed all that much else

[gilded pawn]

But the whole point of tier sets is to shake things up anyways

[edgy widget]

my point was more that when two competing options can fulfil the same roles and use cases, such as OF vs Ons or AM vs RA, it tends to just end up a question of tuning and whichever one is better somewhere tends to be better everywhere

which is why, as much as I'm not crazy about the new Bloodbath DoT not cleaving, it might not be a bad thing to better establish RA as a ST pick and AM as a (heavy) MT one

[gilded pawn]

My point was that they do have balancing levers to clearly define both but they choose to not use it

And I guess the bloodbath thing is a lever they decided to use now

[edgy widget]

yeah but it's not that simple, because each one of those levers trickles down into a dozen different things

• current RA's "levers" are Bloodbath and CB damage, but as mentioned that affects both single and multitarget
• AM's main "levers" are the amount of CDR you get and Bladestorm damage (both of which also affect single and multitarget), not to mention that messing with Bladestorm damage also affects RA
  and then there's other stuff like the more you push up AM's CDR, the better Berserker's Torment gets

there are so many trickle down effects and interactions that a well meaning change for one talent could completely affect the viability of another one

similar thing with the new Titan's Torment - I don't think many people are too broken up about the idea of losing the free OF (assuming some damage is put back into the ability), but losing the free Avatar hurts mid-cycle Bladestorm damage, which hurts Slayer, and so on

[south kayak]

They should make Onslaught not cleavable

[dense elbow]

Luckilly the devs are likely aware of this, and will adjust OF and BS both. Detangling is great to let buttons have more power in themselves.
So now we just play the waiting game and pray we come out at a better spot than we started.
RA can become quite fun - if bleed does fun things, and isnt a pure forgetable gimmick for PvP poke

[south kayak]

[winter shoal]

Can anyone tell me why 99% of fury warriors in pugs play CC/opp instead of BF/FF

[thick fossil]

lol, ok the SoS comment almost got me spitting water through my nose.

[thick fossil]

Imagine if they changed them so they actually drastically change how we play! The horror! /s

[frank dawn]

I mean I think the current versions on the PTR do feel pretty different. I've long been a fan of making RA actually about Reck again they just haven't been able to tune it, maybe this dot can be the answer

[thick fossil]

The dot would have to be effected by enrage and stats. Oh, and cleavable.

[edgy widget]

Well they already play pretty differently, but that was my point yes - it not being cleavable actually does reinforce one being the ST pick and one being more MT

[thick fossil]

It's true though, the new change does kinda/sorta change our game play.

[edgy widget]

The DoT is going to be affected by Enrage and such, that's just a (pretty common) bug

[frank dawn]

that part aside, I'm still not sure how I feel about it being giga duration lol

[edgy widget]

depends on where the tuning ends up

[frank dawn]

as you said the other day even with bug fixes it probably won't be that big of a deal, but eh

[thick fossil]

I'd love to see the dot get the ignite treatment. When it's not just an extend but keeps stacking and getting stronger and stronger.

[south kayak]

It should be working like ignite

[slim coral]

They should just buff OF bleeds and reduce the upfront damage the

[south kayak]

I also think CB probably needs a buff, maybe even BB to a lesser extent since they’re only useable for 15 seconds every minute and a half

[edgy widget]

the point to making it long and thin instead of short and fat is to keep down the burstiness, help avoid Bloodbath being the most important ability during Reck (it'd be pretty bad if pressing Bloodbath ended up more important than OF, Ons, etc)

[dense elbow]

disgusting

[slim coral]

That would be a good way to fix the burst while still keeping Of competitive

[thick fossil]

upfront damage already is kinda garbage

[slim coral]

Yeah now they can buff the dot

[dense elbow]

DoT aint fun tho, I dont like it

[frank dawn]

meh I think the balance of upfront vs dot is in a fine place

just needs to do more dam overall

[slim coral]

Well they already said they wanted to focus on bleed damage

[south kayak]

I like pressing Of and immediately seeing the spike in damage, so I disagree with that

[dense elbow]

^

[frank dawn]

did they? Not sure I've seen that

[slim coral]

Yeah it’s in the blue post

[thick fossil]

gross

[slim coral]

Idk how they worded it exactly

[south kayak]

I don’t remember seeing that

[frank dawn]

was that not for arms or something talking about bleeds

I thought they said something about bleeds for arms

[slim coral]

Was it arms? I thought it was fury

[south kayak]

I think they should remove fourth row of capstones

And combine them into a choice node of OF and OS

[dense elbow]

OF vs OS will never be a choice tho

[south kayak]

Make OS uncleavable so it’s a strict ST button

Yeah it will if OS is strictly ST and OF is AoE

[frank dawn]

eh choice nodes that are 100% always picked on the basis of ST vs AoE isn't very interesting imo

[edgy widget]

they're fine in moderation

too many gets boring though I agree

[thick fossil]

Capstones is where Fury talents really flop tho

[south kayak]

We don’t have any

So I don’t see why not

[edgy widget]

Fury has plenty

[south kayak]

Choice nodes?

[edgy widget]

capstones

Fury does have choice nodes too, just again right now most of them aren't choices so much as one is just always better

[south kayak]

My point is to remove one row of capstones and combine that into OF/OS choice node

[edgy widget]

but then when you focus on optimization, that dramatically narrows your "choices" anyway

[south kayak]

3 rows looks cooler

[hexed stream]

You look cooler

[south kayak]

[frank dawn]

Bladestorm/Reck/OF are all great starters imo, but almost all the follow-up nodes either need redesigns or some buffs. I've never been that excited about Onslaught, and there is something to be said to streamline the connections I think if they buff stuff so we actually want the points in our capstone segment of the tree lol

[south kayak]

Yeah that’s my point

I’ve always been talking about how I want Onslaught to be like MoP Stormbolt

Strictly ST, no cleave

[edgy widget]

• Onslaught is fine as long as they find a way to distinguish it from OF, without coming back to the "this patch X is better" problem
• RA/AM is more or less the same situation, but we'll see how RA changes affect that
• Bladestorm/Ravager are similarly fine

[south kayak]

Do you think a good way to distinguish would be to make it uncleavable

[edgy widget]

it's arguably unintuitive though, since Whirlwind makes a point of causing all your otherwise ST abilities to cleave

for the same reason that it's weird that the bloodbath dot doesn't cleave

when everything else cleaves, why does this inexplicably not?

[south kayak]

Hmm

[edgy widget]

I'm not saying you couldn't make it work that way anyway, but it is kind of weird

[south kayak]

What about a passive node under that increases it’s damage by 100% but it’s no longer cleaved

[edgy widget]

[dense elbow]

Ngl, that is a neat little node idea, as it makes it very clear to player

[edgy widget]

kinda makes the first point superfluous

and it does still have the contradictory problem, even if the hypothetical talent explains it away

[south kayak]

Onslaught itself could have a text saying it can’t be cleaved but I see the issue with how everything else does but this ability doesn’t

[edgy widget]

there are probably a lot of ways you can solve the problem - reduce OF's value and give it something that scales damage based on # of targets hit would be the inverse of your suggestion

[south kayak]

Do you know fists of fury from Monk?

[dense elbow]

Well, dont think anyone playing fury Warrior would say it makes "sense" that an attack wont be affected by MC, especially rotationally

[south kayak]

I was thinking onslaught could be channeled

[edgy widget]

idk that I like that for Fury

[frank dawn]

I'm not sure if a random single target nuke button is that exciting in today's age either though. Like the big thing about Stormbolt, especially with the CDR trinket is it filled a hole in every single CS window burst cycle for Fury. and it filled that hole with big fuck dam

which was def awesome at the time, but wouldn't be the same today for just a random big hit

[edgy widget]

there are also a lot more "big damage" abilities now than there used to be

[frank dawn]

true

[south kayak]

Yeah I don’t like the amount of cds we have

We don’t need spear and TR

[edgy widget]

the fact they did it with storm bolt was neat, but also caused so many problems lol, when you used Storm Bolt against a mob that actually could be stunned and suddenly it did no dam

[south kayak]

Delete one

[frank dawn]

[south kayak]

Weren’t you using that for bosses only

[edgy widget]

spear vs roar isn't a huge issue since you virtually never take both at the same time, though Wars are a little oversaturated with cooldowns atm

[south kayak]

Yeah

There’s a reason we have a huge aoe burst

So many aoe cds

I think we should only have OF and BS

Personally, I think both TR and Spear are useless

[dense elbow]

Reck, OF, BS and Roar feels like a nice amount of things to me

After that it kinda gets, bloaty

Poor avatar, always there, yet forgotten

[south kayak]

And avatar shouldn’t be a cd, what if avatar was a passive node that made your reck increase your damage by 20%? Lol

[edgy widget]

I'm more interested in what happens next season if new RA wants Roar for the Words bonus to bleeds in Single Target and AM also wants Roar for Multitarget - seems like spear will easily fall to the wayside

[frank dawn]

death to spear

no one wants it anyway

[south kayak]

We had this same issue in legion

[edgy widget]

Spear is fine, especially with debuff change
could use a bigger AoE though

[south kayak]

We just macroed avatar and reck

And they brought it back

Meh

[dense elbow]

I dont mind it, as avatar is also a rootbreaker and off GCD. So you can link em or not, not really an issue. Just more choice, more skill expression, yet with no added difficulty to just be efficent with it for the avg player

[frank dawn]

yeah idk, it's not a big deal if you want to macro them together. but by being separate there is still space to do things with either button - like the old Titan Torment and how you'd play wiht avatar around that

I'm not sad that's gone (assuming OF gets a propfer buff), but just using it as an example of letting them do more with the buttons by them being unlinked

[south kayak]

I’m ok with it gone

[edgy widget]

I think Titan's Torment actually helped make Avatar pretty interesting in a lot more situations than it otherwise would have been

[south kayak]

But the replacement seems weak

[edgy widget]

without it, it does feel like just a generic "more damage" button that gets macroed away

[south kayak]

60 rage rampage

Yay

[edgy widget]

that said, people (generally) wanted big talent trees with lots of "choices (fake or not), and that comes with some redundancy

Avatar is hardly hurting anything; and if the button press getting macroed away anyway, it's hardly contributing to bloat

[south kayak]

I don’t know any other class just macros their 2 cds together like that lol, it’s absurd

[dense elbow]

I am kinda happy with how it is now, there are like 4 build lines to go, if you happy witha bit of DPS lost

Plays quite differently, and you kinda get to chose what you find is fun

Man, I am just glad I feel a tinge of hope for the 11.1, as I asume the tuning to come

[south kayak]

At least avatar won’t interrupt OF animation with old titans gone lol

[edgy widget]

There are definitely exciting things happening in 11.1; maybe not as expansive as some people wanted, but pretty much everything seems well reasoned so far

we'll just see how the tuning plays out

[dense elbow]

(not to mention the freedom to balance OF as a button now :cheer:)

[south kayak]

I still think they should heavily buff rampage

[edgy widget]

Worst thing I can say so far is that the new tier bonus is a little bland and non-transformative, but we'll see - there's some potential to manipulate your rotation around it, just depends on how much that's worth doing

[edgy widget]

it's already pretty powerful and getting another up to 20% damage w/ tier

[south kayak]

Isn’t that very rng

Can just go away

[dense elbow]

Seems quite consistent at 10 stacks atm, but ye, it can fall off

[edgy widget]

the exact amount you may get press to press may be RNG, but it's still +2-20%

plus it stacks really fast

[south kayak]

Las time I tested I noticed the 4p buff is very frequent

It procs all the time

[dense elbow]

I was just positevely suprised when I learned the on-stack procs, still popped after you maxed out - expected it to not :P

[edgy widget]

the 4p procs whenever the 2p does

[summer quail]

from testing on ptr it stays up longer than you'd think. ofc it's rng but rampage slaps

[dense elbow]

Current it is 15%, no?

[edgy widget]

Rampage only has a 15% chance to consume it (e.g. an 85% chance for it not to be consumed)
but even if it does get consumed, it's going to stack back up pretty quickly

so yeah you might have a +20% rampage, then a +4%, then a +2%, then a +6%, then another string at +10-20%

but on average, your total Rampage damage is still getting buffed

[south kayak]

2% seems a little low

[edgy widget]

2% is 1 stack

[south kayak]

I know

I kinda want it at 4 lol

[edgy widget]

it's a little early to be worrying about fine tuning

[south kayak]

Fair

[edgy widget]

the point is you might have a low roll after it resets, but it's likely to climb back up to a high roll at some point after

[dense elbow]

I rather have (2) be a bit weaker, and they throw more power into the (4) - as procs is where the "fun" is to be had

[edgy widget]

so I'm not worried about it always being at +20%

The real question is just how the RA and the 4p will work out

• will it be better to prio Bloodbath in order to build up a lengthy bleed
• will it be better to prio CB for more direct damage
• will you prio BB or CB based on which 4p buff is active at any given moment?
  it's gonna be interesting to sort out the "proper" playstyle

[south kayak]

I’m curious whether BB and CB are strong enough for 15 sec duration every 1.5m

[hardy bluff]

surely this bb duration stacking doesnt stay or?

seems stupid

[edgy widget]

it is intended to extend, yes

it's just residual sustained damage

kind of like Rend, but frontloading the applications

the nice thing is that it doesn't really interact with anything (there's no Bloodsurge-esque mechanic on DoT ticks) so you don't necessarily need to ensure you have an X-second duration buff active

[south kayak]

I’m disappointed that CB only gets a little crit damage

[hardy bluff]

yea you just let it apply and do not look at it again

[edgy widget]

pretty much, it's just more damage that isn't fully concentrated inside the cooldown

[edgy widget]

they could make it auto-charge you again 💀

[dense elbow]

No, plz

[hardy bluff]

i guess its the same as current bb then

[south kayak]

[edgy widget]

I'm not even necessarily sure you will prio Bloodbath over Crushing Blow anyway

everyone is operating under the assumption that the #1 priority will be to get as long a bleed as possible, but that's not necessarily the case

[dense elbow]

You will use both either way, one before the other, is that really something to concider?

[edgy widget]

e.g. if CB does more damage than Bloodbath + 6 seconds of bleed

[gilded pawn]

You can bb>ramp repeatedly with torment right

[edgy widget]

well not necessarily

with Titan's Torment, yeah you can basically chain Bloodbath -> Rampage -> Bloodbath, if you really wanted to maximize the bleed

or Bloodbath -> OF -> Bloodbath, whatever filler you wanted

[dense elbow]

Ah fair, forgot about the CDR on BT from that

[south kayak]

CB in the corner looking like

[dense elbow]

CB deserves its corner spot

[edgy widget]

but yeah it's a matter of comparative tuning and opportunity cost, since you only have so many GCDs during Reck

• if Bloodbath + DoT is more damage than CB
• if CB is more damage than Bloodbath + DoT
• or if Double Down will dictate which button you prioritize

[south kayak]

Double down needs to buff more to make you prio

[dense elbow]

If ya had to guess peeps, when next PTR update?

[south kayak]

Idk if it’s enough as is

[mellow bloom]

If youre not human warrior, delete character now

[dense elbow]

2 weeks, ish?

[edgy widget]

I mean it's already 25%, which is pretty significant

but we'll see

[edgy widget]

next week

[south kayak]

Is that for RB

[edgy widget]

builds are almost always weekly, sans holidays

[dense elbow]

I will wait with a smile on my face till next week then

[south kayak]

I think RB should also get the crit chance buff

Like BT has

[gilded pawn]

Also have to consider crit chance on your character too

So it’ll get a bit funky

[edgy widget]

BT doesn't have a crit chance buff

unless you mean Crushing Force (which is crit dam)?

[south kayak]

The 4p buffs the crit chance and damage of BT iirc

[edgy widget]

it's damage/crit and damage/rage

[south kayak]

RB only has damage buff

[sonic shoal]

This one?

[edgy widget]

RB gets rage

[south kayak]

Rage

[sonic shoal]

Or you mean the new 4p?

[edgy widget]

rage is useful

[south kayak]

Yeah

[gilded pawn]

Is it though in reck

[edgy widget]

tier isn't active just during reck

[south kayak]

You always get that buff

Not just during reck

[south kayak]

This buff is so bad I can’t

New 4p you basically get free buffs from 4p

And currently you have to get a reset of RB to even get it

[edgy widget]

free buffs from 2p, but yeah

[south kayak]

Night and day

[edgy widget]

S1 tier is dog

S2 tier is pretty fun

[south kayak]

Yeah it also does seem to be performing a lot better than s1

In terms of damage

But anything outperforms s1

So it’s not much

[sonic shoal]

I don't like the random portion of 2p though

You will have to cross your fingers to get good parses

[south kayak]

It procs a lot

You won’t feel bad

[edgy widget]

parsing is already RNG as hell, so what's the difference?

[sonic shoal]

Yeah, but it falling off too often with bad rng

[summer quail]

i was worried about this too until i found out both parts can be active at once

[edgy widget]

meh 15% is still 15%

[sonic shoal]

Why add more rng to it? If I wanted RNG I'd go to a casino... Oh wait.

[edgy widget]

WoW combat has been an RNG-fest since the very beginning and only steadly increased over the last 20 years

if that's your complaint... idk man, better find another game cause it's unlikely to change lol

[south kayak]

Imagine how rng fest warrior duels were in classic

[dense elbow]

Well, we no longer have swordproc with trinky RNG fiesta :v

[south kayak]

Just crit to win

[edgy widget]

could play Final Fantasy

[south kayak]

[summer quail]

some rng is fun, becomes stale without it

[edgy widget]

absolutely
and I agree that WoW does have an abundance of it sometimes, but railing against it is a fools errand at this point cause we know it's not going anywhere

[south kayak]

We’re getting a literal rng raid tier lol

[dense elbow]

Parry RNG fun

[south kayak]

Too late

[sonic shoal]

Yeah well, but I rather liked Legion's Juggernaut, where with good RNG you could go bonkers, than this one

[summer quail]

like proc based specs are imo pretty fun. will be high highs and low lows but that is what you sign up for when it comes to these kinds of specs(i love you legion arms warrior)

[chrome relic]

Are we still going to be Slayer in raid is the real question. I know it might still be too soon to tell but I'd like some MT switch up

[simple frigate]

(this is maybe more of a general wow question) when you guys do content where ppl are chain pulling like LFR and there's no time to change specs, do you guys just run the 2-target cleave build and call it a day?

[edgy widget]

wait you hate RNG but liked Legion Juggernaut?

Legion Juggernaut was fucking awful for RNG

[south kayak]

[sonic shoal]

But at least it was rewarding if you hit it :v

[edgy widget]

"whoops got parried"
"oh no, I got targeted by [run out mechanic]"
"lololol enrage won't proc"

[junior gale]

I think the problem with RNG in gameplay is when it's multiple layers or RNG that you feel like you genuinely have no control over your dmg. But I feel like wow hasn't been like that in awhile.

[summer quail]

i feel like if people went back to legion fury they woul not like legion juggernaut that much. legion jugg was gigacringe, duration was so short.

[sonic shoal]

Here I feel like it is just unnecessary kinda, because you don't even gain that much damage to be losing it

[junior gale]

The RNG is pretty ok right now

[simple frigate]

gets targeted by Sikran's mechanic
uninstalls

[edgy widget]

you gain as much as you lose

[edgy widget]

but yeah, with the amount of RNG things that can affect your damage in modern WoW, Sikran targeting being a good example, the 2p tier bonus is hardly a major offender

don't get me started on the number of fight mechanics that are just "we're gonna suicide this person if they get targeted"

[sonic shoal]

Sikran? Ky'veza enters the room

[dense elbow]

Didnt raid this tier, that still a thing? ._. Ofc it is

[edgy widget]

it's not as common as it was during like... Nathria, but it's still a fairly common strategy towards the end of many encounters

just easier to kill someone than to go through the effort of saving them

then again, I'm playing Battle Brothers, so if you think that WoW RNG is bad...

[dense elbow]

Only RNG I need in my life, is if OF crits or not - rest is just background noise

[sonic shoal]

It's funny though how the mechanics this tier are "stay in that place" and some people can't grasp it, so you count on that lucky pull where the bad people don't get mechanics

[edgy widget]

neither, it gets parried!

[south kayak]

I hate fights where I have to go in Africa

[lavish pecan]

Also, a ton of past tier sets have had RNG to varying extents, lets not pretend like this is new

[south kayak]

Like sikran

And lose dps

[summer quail]

and the legion saiyan video. while it is a great video it was such a niche scenario and alot of people think fury execute phase was a great thing because of that video, while most of the time that just never happened. you got some mechanic and now you lost all of your stacks. or the fight didn't last long enough

[edgy widget]

yeah, legion juggernaut was good for highlight reels, and shit in practice most of the time

[sonic shoal]

Well maybe my problem with it is I liked "Proc to get more damage" rather than "Using buffed ability has a chance to lose the buff"

[south kayak]

Legion juggernaut was 6 seconds. 6!!!!

[dense elbow]

I mean, if you played with a mediocre guild, you got a lot of saian experiences. It was a ton of fun for the avg player, but for the top end parser? Prob not

[south kayak]

SIX

SECONDS

[dense elbow]

Six is all I need

[edgy widget]

unless you were the person who died at 23%, and suddenly you were a DPS who might as well not have come to the encounter since you did less damage than a healer

[dense elbow]

To be fair - we will all get to see if Legion was good or not, soonish

[junior gale]

Countered with rogue make boss not parry

[south kayak]

That fact that fury’s damage was balanced around jugg was wild

[edgy widget]

I don't think that's a thing

[junior gale]

It is

[edgy widget]

[junior gale]

Just a bug tho

[dense elbow]

... oh

[sonic shoal]

But at that point you were the first person to be ressed, because you had the most chances to kill the boss like no one

[flat river]

meanwhile UF still at 6%

[edgy widget]

6% is also still 6%

[south kayak]

[edgy widget]

can confirm

[flat river]

[hollow elk]

60% of the time works every time

[edgy widget]

not if your group is out of rezzes because all the other shitters already died and took them

[flat river]

6%*

[south kayak]

60 rage rampage means more UF procs guys

[flat river]

[south kayak]

Btw UF doesn’t work with RA, right?

[edgy widget]

it does

it's not as impactful as you'd think, but it does

[summer quail]

there's no doubt in my mind that current fury is way better than legion fury and that legion arms is way better than current arms

[south kayak]

Oh it does

[summer quail]

can't wait for legion classic

[flat river]

turn it back to 20%

[flat river]

tauri legion private server is coming q2-q3 this year

[mellow bloom]

cata arms

[winter shoal]

Archi what are the chances we play AM thane JA CLAPPA next patch

[flat river]

they announced it

[sonic shoal]

looks into the brain dictionary for UF Unbribled Fury? Or whatever it was called

[dense elbow]

For sure, no doubt. Still doesnt mean I didnt find Jugg a ton of fun back in the day
I stated this before, TWW is probably the best fury ever has been
(pre OF nerfs)

I actually believe with TT changes

it will be better

[edgy widget]

I can't wait for DF Classic

[coarse nest]

real

[mellow bloom]

[summer quail]

agreed, very excited for fury next patch. year of thane

[dense elbow]

Hm.. no, I dont want to wipe on Tindral 1000 times again

[south kayak]

SL classic with ripped cord at the start

[edgy widget]

for multitarget? pretty high

[junior gale]

In all seriousness tho its a bug with trickster rogue that's supposed to apply only to the rogue but affects the whole raid.

[edgy widget]

for single target? idk, nothing so far indicating Thane will suddenly skyrocket

[dense elbow]

I love that Mutou is clearly a raider, and I am a M+r
Give me the year of Slayer

[south kayak]

Oh my god, that passive??

Bis arms warrior buff

[flat river]

they should make freshmeat baseline

[summer quail]

i might not have done a key in 2+ months hahahah

[flat river]

BT auto enrages first target hit

[junior gale]

Our rogue uses it on queen and Kyvezza for prog it works

Never get parried

[south kayak]

Sheesh

[dense elbow]

... you get Thane for raid, I get Slayer and OF for M+
Best deal

[mellow bloom]

remove parry from this game already

in raid

[edgy widget]

yeah for the two people who play Trickster this tier

[flat river]

our rouge got his kingsbane parried

[hardy bluff]

arms can get cs parried

or could

[summer quail]

depends on how big bloodbath is, burst of power interaction with bloodbath is pretty nice

[modest condor]

our rouge got his mascara parried

[junior gale]

Warbreaker parried

Teehee

[edgy widget]

if Burst happens to proc during Reck, sure
but that alone isn't going to carry Thane - Bloodbath's DoT isn't that strong

[dense elbow]

Tihi

[mellow bloom]

1 more parry and i reroll

[summer quail]

🤝

[south kayak]

That happens a lot

[summer quail]

yes, that is the caveat

[edgy widget]

also Bladestorm Unhinged Bloodbath go brrrrr

[south kayak]

Remember when OF got buffed by 130% in TWW beta

[dense elbow]

I remember

[edgy widget]

remember when literally everyone said "yeah this is getting nerfed"

and then it did, four times?

[junior gale]

Nerfed back down to nothing

[south kayak]

[junior gale]

To be expected

[summer quail]

is the dot not that strong if they fix it not being affected by a bunch of things and not being able to crit?

[flat river]

it got nerfed to become worse

[dense elbow]

It was a glorious beta period of actually doing dam

[mellow bloom]

pray that revvez doesnt pull funny numbers in raid or we get nerfed 50 times back 2 back again

[edgy widget]

and remember when Funky bitched and moaned that it was useless and did no damage after nerfs, even though it was still 10% of your dam?

almost like history repeats itself or something idkc

[dense elbow]

It is bad, wdum

[edgy widget]

you're bad, that's what I mean

[flat river]

:O

[dense elbow]

It is around 7-9%

wdum

Give me 15%

[south kayak]

I’m holding them accountable to buff OF after changing TT

[dense elbow]

strong cast

[south kayak]

They said they would

[dense elbow]

Blizz going to make sure it isn't better than a buffed Rampage :v

[flat river]

"we are buffing retribution paladin because they arent S-tier in raid"

[south kayak]

Why do paladins get a better version of OF

[flat river]

ikr

[dense elbow]

Cause paladin

[summer quail]

is the dot not that strong if they fix it not being affected by a bunch of things and not being able to crit?

[edgy widget]

so strong that it gives Thane a competitive edge based solely on Burst of Power proccing during Reck? No, it's not that strong

It's 180% AP over 6s

[summer quail]

fair enough

[south kayak]

What if RA also changed rampage

[dense elbow]

you want Ramp to do fire damage or what?

[south kayak]

Delete execute at this point

[dense elbow]

No! Execute only needs like a 20% buff, and it guchi in my build

:(

[south kayak]

Only?

[dense elbow]

Ye, it isnt halfbad

[south kayak]

That sounds so simple

Surely they have to know how bad execute is

Or maybe they think it’s fine like this

[dense elbow]

Execute isnt as weak as OF is, OF need big buff - Execute just needs a small bump

[south kayak]

Since they said they were happy with warrior

[flat river]

execute needs a 200% buff

[south kayak]

OF needs a 100% buff

[flat river]

and we good

[dense elbow]

100% would make OF on PTR what, 4%?

[sonic shoal]

Make OF hit like it did in Legion

[dense elbow]

Uncapped AoE? Sure, that would fix OF

[flat river]

real

[south kayak]

You can’t because legion had so many buffs during reck

[flat river]

and make recklessness an actual cd

[summer quail]

the thing is vc is pretty strong. that is our "execute" and we do a decent amount more damage in execute phase. would they need to nerf our damage outside of execute phase if they buff execute?

[sonic shoal]

I mean we're stuck to cleaving 5 targets. Either make us gods at it or uncap our big dam abilities like OF, Roar and BS/Ravager

[south kayak]

Yeah nerf VC idk

[flat river]

our execute should deal more dmg than the prot one

[dense elbow]

clears throat Ya know what is better?
5 stack Executes, between the BTs

:)

[flat river]

why does prot have more execute dmg

[south kayak]

We have an entire button just catching dust

[flat river]

with a 1 hander

[dense elbow]

You can play ashen and VC

it is glorious

Feels warrior, to actually snipe the 35% area again

[dense elbow]

Theirs is a spender, ours is a builder

[south kayak]

What if VC just gives execute the damage instead of BT lol

[sonic shoal]

Give us Condemn back :<

[dense elbow]

Plz no

that would mean execute cant be buffed

Increase the range you can use it consistently, the less power it can have

What we want - most likely - is just to execute to pack just that bit more ompfh

So when SD procs

you go Hell Yea

not "not 3 stacks tho"

[south kayak]

I wanna press execute on 3 marked stacks

And feel like I did insane damage

[dense elbow]

It does ok dam on 3stacks and crit

[flat river]

doesnt matter

ours is on CD

so it should deal dmg

[dense elbow]

Execute is a bit weak - and could get a small dam buff, a good 20% area. But anything more and we starting to force SD on ppl

[south kayak]

Remember when execute did more damage than bt and rb

Yeah…

And rampage

[flat river]

like bro

[edgy widget]

this is exactly why you're not allowed to balance anything

[flat river]

EVERY EXECUTE CLASS

HAS A GOOD EXECUTE

EXCEPT US

[edgy widget]

Arms has a great Execute

[south kayak]

Except the class that has a spell called execute

Amazing

[dense elbow]

It is for the best. Even tho, OF needs a buff - noone will disagree

[edgy widget]

OF right now is fine

OF will get a buff in 11.1 to compensate for Titan's Torment

[flat river]

because they have juggernaut and alot of talents interacting with it

[dense elbow]

Right now? It is a bit on the weak side, but servicable

[edgy widget]

it's not weak at all

it's still 10% of your damage lol

[dense elbow]

How is it 10%? Got to be a raid thing

[slim coral]

I think they mean weak compared to where it was

[edgy widget]

you're just so inanely obsessed with the idea of OF dealing 50% of your damage you won't ever shut up about buffing it

it's seriously all you've talked about since you joined the discord, find another obsession lmao

[dense elbow]

Nah, it is my osbession till it is fixed

[flat river]

like execute

[edgy widget]

Execute doesn't need a buff

[flat river]

execute is where its at

[edgy widget]

RB needs a nerf

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/office-shutup-sun-springbreak-shut-gif-5307233

[edgy widget]

probably via Slaughtering Strikes

[south kayak]

Shut up about Of

[flat river]

[frank dawn]

I think execute just needs to participate in some of buffs tied to RB. Even if they do nerf slaughtering or whatever else

[dense elbow]

If you nerf RB, you kinda got to do an aura buff to compensate - or move things around into other things, no?

[edgy widget]

not necessarily, but you can do that regardless with any number of changes

[sonic shoal]

Why would it? I mean it's a filler of sort, that's right. But still with VC you are more likely to press BT than execute. Execute needs a buff anywaey

[edgy widget]

Because RB has entirely too much tied up into it

[dense elbow]

But, ye - Execute isnt that weak, as many say. It is very close to viable atm on live in M+

Just need a minor bump

[flat river]

its last prio

unless ur playing slayer

[south kayak]

Tie execute to slaughtering and buff Slaughtering since it’s going to be less frequent

[flat river]

no?

[sonic shoal]

So tie it to the spender. I guess that should be the way instead of tying stuff to fillers

[south kayak]

The only spender is rampage

[flat river]

make rampage have a 15% chance to buff your next execute

[dense elbow]

Why

[flat river]

by 50% more dmg

[dense elbow]

What happens if you dont get a SD proc to consume it?

[flat river]

skill issue

[inner zinc]

tbh, if they wanted execute to be better, id rather they tied execute to stuff like CSHB, Bloodcraze or Slaughtering strikes

[edgy widget]

baseline, RB is 150% AP from each hand, while Execute is 214% AP from each hand - e.g. Execute is 43% stronger than RB

Except RB gets

• +15% from Improved RB
• +15% damage from Wrath and Fury
• +30% damage from Slayer's Malice
• +10% crit damage from Critical Thinking
• +20% Rampage damage per cast from Slaughtering Strikes
• +15% Bloodthirst crit damage per cast from Bloodcraze

[south kayak]

Thoughts on tying Slaughtering to Execute instead of RB

[simple frigate]

@edgy widget hi archi, the Two-Target raid build under the wowhead Cheat Sheet takes Intervene but also the hero talent "Storm Bolts"

[sonic shoal]

To be honest they have what... 10 expansions of different warrior options, they should finally come out with something good

[inner zinc]

i feel like Execute should basically replace RB when we hit that phase

[sonic shoal]

We don't need redesigns

[dense elbow]

I personally dont like it as a fix, I rather just keep exe pure. Just bump the raw dam

[flat river]

ok u convinced me

[edgy widget]

possible, unless it shifts you over to prioritizing RB + Execute instead of Bloodthirst sub-20%

[south kayak]

Bloodthirst had VC

[edgy widget]

Personally I'd rather just nerf Slaughtering Strikes down to ~10% per stack and put like +5% damage into Rampage baseline

[summer quail]

that would be nice

[dense elbow]

Actually a neat fix, to open more builds too

[south kayak]

That’s fine

[dense elbow]

(I say as a guy who dont use SS atm)

[edgy widget]

Intervene is useful, Storm Shield is not

which is exactly why nobody listens to any of your tuning suggestions lol

[dense elbow]

What is wrong playing a build I find to be fun?

[edgy widget]

absolutely nothing, but it doesn't give your opinion on optimal tuning any weight either

[simple frigate]

you cant get both intervene & storm bolt though

[dense elbow]

Gives less weight sure, but I also played the meta builds. And I disucss based from my PoV. Though I dont think you disagree to most things

[inner zinc]

would Execute also triggering stuff like RB with BloodCraze/SS be a viable alternative to make execute more desirable to press?

[pallid tinsel]

Wow, that was so much to read. Ok I’m caught up. I’m lost as fuck lmao. We have no idea what we want, except archi.

[hardy bluff]

hes saying that hero talent choice is irrelevant

[edgy widget]

well you could, but the point is that the hero talent doesn't matter because you're not using either of them

Storm Shield is laughably weak and Storm Bolts is useless in raid content

[simple frigate]

that's fair, i was thinking of just keeping storm bolts for like trash

i was gonna use this spec for all of lfr lol

[edgy widget]

I think everyone generally wants the same thing - just for their favored spec/class to be better

[pallid tinsel]

Yea that’s the gist of it.

[dense elbow]

Only diff is what and where to put focus, really

tho most agree fury is great atm

Anyone actually feel Fury plays badly atm? Just curious

[simple frigate]

i am returning after a long time so im only 590 but fury feels really hot

[edgy widget]

there are a lot of opinions on what may be the best ways to get around to that point, some of which may be more or less valid than others, but it still all boils down to the same conversation that flies around every other class discord - everyone always wants their favorite thing to be better/best/more satisfying/more fun/etc

[pallid tinsel]

Truth

[inner zinc]

Warrior needs to be #1 at everything. No im not being unreasonable

[edgy widget]

Fury doesn't play badly. The worst you can say about it is that it's pretty simple and some people don't like things that are too straightforward for fear that makes them stale/boring

[pallid tinsel]

I may be on my own with this thought, but I switched from arms to fury in war within, I really wish they would have given thane to arms.

[dense elbow]

How come? Feels pretty Fury as implemented to me

[edgy widget]

and even though he's insufferable about it, Funky is right that OF will need a buff in 11.1 (and I can assure you it will, even though he's still going to complain that it's not enough )

[dense elbow]

Depends

[edgy widget]

there's still a lot more tuning and even some effects changes to come

[flat river]

[dense elbow]

OF free from TT - will do a lot, so I dont have to line it with BS and so on

I might just be content

Then I will complain about the OF nodes

[inner zinc]

I'd love if they brough back the CDR from the S3 tier set of DF when it comes to OF

that shit felt GUD

[dense elbow]

I rather not see CDR put into OF, just have it be the static big hitter

Enough of the CDR already ~ at that point, just link everything to AM

[inner zinc]

[dense elbow]

I know, you liked that idea

[summer quail]

simplicity is good for me. as long as it's satisfying it's all good, fury very fast. has good animations etc

[dense elbow]

Nelf animations are on point, for the most part

[dense elbow]

Me when OF gets another nerf in 11.1.5

[south kayak]

Screenshotted

[south kayak]

Holy shit that got brutal lmao

[pallid tinsel]

This was fun, take it ez everyone.

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/nowayinhell-gif-21941955

[sudden tusk]

arms tier boys

[dense elbow]

You wish

[slim coral]

Hell nah

That spec needs God

[prime pulsar]

Never play arms pvp shit KEKW

[sudden tusk]

@sullen dove new maomao is out

https://tenor.com/view/anime-apothecary-maomao-gif-13777632734241276699

[dense elbow]

ooo, S2 out?

[sudden tusk]

yeeeee

[dense elbow]

Aight, time to have something other than skyhold up while I que

[sudden tusk]

the OP is already good just started watching

[summer quail]

pls no

[prime pulsar]

guys 6 weeks to make Fury Great again KEKW

[hardy bluff]

6 weeks

[dense elbow]

ExeLLenT is a dev who snuk in here, dropping time indirectly like a bawz

[prime pulsar]

KEKW

[hardy bluff]

i remember when qwik was in wow discords

[covert blaze]

ayy lmaomao

[tame wraith]

Hey guys, returned to the game recently, mained guardian druid in last xpac, might level that up but just dinged 80 on my fury warrior and really enjoying that for now

Horde on Thrall & Illidan btw

I'm looking to get serious & push higher end content, but I need a guild to do so

If you have a guild that would welcome a returning player looking to get serious & push content, please shoot me a DM

Thanks! ❤️

[dense elbow]

#promotion and #general will be better bets :)

[edgy widget]

look under #promotion

[dense elbow]

CR or 🏴‍☠️?

[sudden tusk]

cr

[dense elbow]

guess I will just have to wait a bit for region unlock

[slim coral]

Honestly just turn warrior into Rashok

fuck it

[hardy bluff]

into a banger boss?

sounds good

[slim coral]

Or Sire from Castle Nathria

either one bangs tbh

[junior gale]

Leapquake barb

[slim coral]

Pillar warrior pog

[smoky vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1326809946997919805.webp?size=96&animated=true

[fallen siren]

Does anyone have a serious SMF guide? I know I’ll do less dps but I’m very casual and just want to use one handers to be edgy.

[modest condor]

[edgy widget]

there's no such thing, the only difference is that you just take the SMF talent and use 1H weapons

[slim coral]

Rip anni build for smf

[manic pelican]

How is the PTR feeling for those of us that have made it there? Not looking for an are we more OP than the rest of the world answer. Just curious since the set bonus is something cool and different.

[slim coral]

Well the set bonus is def not cool

Atleast imo

[manic pelican]

I feel like they tried their hand at a thematic bonus that had no flavor

[sudden tusk]

the bonus is basically purely passive

its workable but mid

hoping for a rework or they change it so we get some kind of payoff for losing our winning streak like a juiced up BT or RB

wouldnt change anything, but would feel better

[manic pelican]

I’m sure a few tuning patches will polish the output. My primary concern is whether I’ll get benched on prog or asked to go arms if the tuning patches aren’t optimal for us.

Nothing that can really be answered now.

[summer quail]

fury atleast has a decent tierset. arms tier is really really bad

[smoky vale]

not really really bad

dogshit

! @summer quail

[manic pelican]

I saw that in the breakdown. I didn’t put too too much stock into it because of tuning still

[summer quail]

oof

gz

but oof

[smoky vale]

i caused a wipe this key

😦

[summer quail]

ahh, finally becoming an aug player then

griefing keys and all

[brittle snow]

So is onslaught not viable in pve now?

[summer quail]

it's playable, just not optimal.

[brittle snow]

Yall normally use WH or IV?

or is there a website i can continuously stick with without issues?

[slim coral]

Use wowhead

Archi would never let you down

[brittle snow]

Okay cool thx

[storm rune]

I prefer IV, blue archi

[oblique trail]

They are both maintained by the same person, it's just formatting

[junior gale]

Idk man have you ever seen Blue Archi and Orange Archi in the same room together?

[slim coral]

I prefer wowhead archi

[junior gale]

What about Noxxic Archi?

[covert blaze]

meow

[oblique trail]

meowdy partner

[crisp pond]

when im simming fury for m+ i should use dungeon slice right ?

[storm rune]

ST/aoe/DSlice honestly doesn't change much

Your aoe is tied pretty directly to your ST rotation, so trinkets wind up being the only true consideration between the 3 sims

[crisp pond]

ok

thanks brother

[surreal token]

For PTR players, what are you guys going now?

Are we moving off of RA to AM?

Also - what are you guys giving up in order to pick SD? Since the Slayer change won't allow for SD to proc without it talented.

The only realistic options I'm looking at right now is to go 1/2 on VC for any multitarget fights.

[smoky vale]

new pfp poggas

[snow edge]

It's looking like some of the interactions with RA are meant to be ST only, so AM might be the play; it's still TBC though given how early days it is

[surreal token]

Does double down have different spell IDs depending on which one it's for?

The buff that pops up for either the empowered BT or RB looks the same, but has different tooltips

which means spellID must be different right?

[oblique trail]

They do yes

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/spell=1216569/double-down
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/spell=1216565/double-down

[surreal token]

ty

[zealous condor]

anyone know if theres some tech with second wind for 3rd boss of COT?

buddy is saying I can soak all the orbs if i take second wind for that

[oblique trail]

There is

2nd wind does not get interrupted by the soak dot

So it can heal through the heal absorbs

[zealous condor]

how does that work? I rally and just go soak

[oblique trail]

(actually don't remember if there's a dot on them, but it still heals through the absorb)

You just have it talented, soak the orbs, and you'll passively heal the absorb away through 2nd wind

[zealous condor]

so I can soak a whole set of orbs?

[oblique trail]

Have not done CoT enough to actually tell whether that's even possible or worth, but yes you can soak multiple on your own and not be in as much danger as others

[zealous condor]

cool

ty bud

[open cave]

Hi what do these red lines mean? I cant see a buff that relates

[oblique trail]

It means that you can Rampage

[smoky vale]

i love rampage

[open cave]

ohhhh ok

[smoky vale]

banezi can i have a source of new pfp

if you remember it

[oblique trail]

Micav1_0 on Twitter

[smoky vale]

[open cave]

should i be stacking the buff up to 4 stacks or just send rampage when i have fury? i usually have like 2 stacks of slaughtering strikes

[oblique trail]

You never pay any mind to Slaughtering Strikes

It's simply a completely passive talent

[open cave]

ok awesome thanks!

[oblique trail]

As for when you rampage, it's basically setup in a priority system like the following
Rampage (if no Enrage is active) > Crushing Blow > Bloodbath > Rampage > Raging Blow > Bloodthirst

[surreal token]

What's the gameplay loop around the new tier set?

I know for sure you don't want to waste the RB/BT buff, but does the rampage amp really come out to anything of value?

[oblique trail]

This priority doesn't account for multiple other abilities, like Execute as Slayer, or Thunder Blast as Thane

For that, I'd refer you to the Wowhead, Icyveins or Maxroll guide, whichever you prefer, if there's more you want to learn

[tame wraith]

Bro why is it so hard to get into a guild

[oblique trail]

Abuse nepotism

[storm rune]

Last I heard you ignore the set completely, dunno if anything's changed in the past couple days

[lament otter]

Outside of AoE, warriors aren’t performing too well, so not much reason to acquire one. Are your logs decent/good?

[oblique trail]

Warriors are good in raid, and you always want at least one

Whether it's a DPS or tank

[bitter palm]

whats tank warrior

[oblique trail]

Not sure but #protection must exist for a reason

[bitter palm]

joever spec

[sinful spoke]

Gooner

[sinful spoke]

Gooner

[smoky vale]

https://tenor.com/view/geeked-locked-in-angry-bubu-red-bird-red-gif-13807202352659823415

@sinful spoke lock in

[latent mason]

Is fury dogshit on the ptr

[oblique trail]

Fury doesn't function entirely right

So sure

It's also the first actual PTR build rn, so considering everything, too early to really say anything

[smoky vale]

but banezi

i need to nkow how fury is in the new patch that comes out in 2 months

NOW

NOW

NOW

[frank dawn]

it is Fury Warrior

so always best war

[smoky vale]

wrong

[surreal token]

I think the gameplay changes will probably be substantial

UF being changed so that BB and CB are only active during Reck

Titan's Torment has changed and is probably no longer a good choice, compared to Berserker's

Also, talenting into UF also seems to encourage talenting further into its sub talents

In that case, do we drop BS and Unhinged

Or is there a situation where we drop Ashen Jug and Massacre

and keep BS + Unhinged

so that slayer isn't dead

[smoky vale]

uf as in unbridled ferocity?

or

[oblique trail]

I can not see a world where we drop Ravager as Thane, and BS is required to make Slayer function so that's not happening either

Is basically what I came up with a few weeks ago when the talent changes got revealed, but from what I heard UF and DoI aren't even worth picking due to their abhorrent proc chance on UF, and DoI in general just not being a strong option

Depending on how much they touch up OF, which they should be, points could be shuffled to pick it up instead of UF and DoI, and otherwise the ST build should stay the exact same as it already is now, but with SD being mandatory as Slayer

If neither UF, DoI or OF is worth ever picking, the 2 points would just be put into VC if anything