fury

[sudden tusk]

TAK

EYON

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-mcride-gif-20992854

[orchid dagger]

Hellreaver

But it's a polearm

[fervent barn]

Word

Fellas what do i need to put in this siren isles ring

[fervent barn]

thing looks gigantic bro lol

[orchid dagger]

It's tame as far as 2hs go

And it depends on what race

[fervent barn]

Fair

[orchid dagger]

What race zearp?

[trim hound]

Looking through my stuff, my smallest 2 handed weapons are: Sword of Marshtide Watch (Sword), Dunemaul Skullcracker (Mace), "Liberated" Greataxe (Axe). Gonna skip polearms and such.

[orchid dagger]

Twinblade of the Phoenix

But if you are some orc you want heft

[fervent barn]

Dracthyr visage

So kinda everything i try looks huge

[orchid dagger]

Male or female?

Are you playing male (read: twink) or female (read: woman)

Actually fuck it, let me boot up my drac war

[fervent barn]

Female

[orchid dagger]

this is what I do on mine for fury

but I need to work on the drac portion more, was pretty lazy

Hellreaver is the goat on human female since it is held right up to the crossguard, so it is basically a chunky 1h

[clever path]

I just wish male dracthyr didn’t look so bad

Like a blood elf that got bad plastic surgery

Not that blood elves look amazing

[orchid dagger]

I mean it's male blood elf (read: twink)

[clever path]

Yeah but just worse

[orchid dagger]

fucking FF14 males have more testosterone than male blood elf

and that's literal bishie simulator

[clever path]

For sure. I hate their side stance

I just want to be able to play a regular human drac

Not whatever mish mash blood elf bs we got

[orchid dagger]

play female then

because that uses the human skeleton/options

[tropic ocean]

Should i sim dungeon slice at all?

[winter shoal]

You can if you want, many people just continue to sim patchwerk 1t 5m for keys though

Stat values don't meaningfully change, only real difference is you'd probably want to use a stat trinket like SkarShard rather than something like mandate

[clever path]

No thank you.

[orchid dagger]

then either play scalie or twink, your call

[clever path]

neither LOL sticking with human

or if we actually get ethereal ill be playing that hands down

dont care about the dps loss or gain

[edgy widget]

human master race

[stiff dust]

what should i sim for queen like for boss targets

[summer quail]

i just do 10m 1t patchwerk for final bosses since most of them end up being around there or longer

[keen kindle]

being fat human is bis

[stiff dust]

even with mt talents?

[summer quail]

yes

[pastel relic]

Is best gems for m+ posted anywhere?

[thick fossil]

Whatever the robit tells ya.

[pastel relic]

Ty

[sullen dove]

wowhead and #updates-midnight

[sudden tusk]

[fickle bluff]

[golden hare]

[radiant plank]

[pure breach]

[chilly plume]

[desert cloud]

[clever belfry]

[indigo arch]

Seeing half of the top 50 running berserker's torment and 2/2 vicious contempt, did I miss a tuning pass or did ppl just want to get used to next patch?

in keys, rather

[sonic shoal]

No, it's just that since packs in higher keys live longer and also bosses are more sturdy, they opt for more Single Target that way. I think the difference is that 2/2 VC compared to none, but OF + Titanic Rage is about 1-2% more in favor of 2/2 VC. So nothing to lose there and it's easier to kill bosses in higher keys

[indigo arch]

sure enough it sims ahead in st and 5tar 5m both

prob not worth in my 10 vault keys tho

[sonic shoal]

In 10 vault keys play whatever you feel comfortable and fun

[indigo arch]

wish slayer would come back ahead

I missed bladestorm for years only to banished to more ravager

[sonic shoal]

I mean in 10s you can even play slayer, it isn't that much of a difference and you will probably pull ahead most of the people in that level anyway

[sour frigate]

Slayer is good actually if u roll reap every bt

[neon ingot]

how do you skip mythic roots on queen

does reflect work ?

[oblique trail]

Yes

It deflects the root, immuning the root itself, but you still leave a puddle under you

[neon ingot]

🙏

[fervent barn]

see what i dont like is just how dual 2h look when on your back tbh

i dont mind if theyre large af when youre holding them

[eternal sundial]

like everything works ngl

reflect, avatar, of (procs ava), bs

[gleaming siren]

[clever belfry]

[oblique trail]

real schmidi??

[clever belfry]

REAL

[warm crag]

[compact siren]

Schmidi (in game)?

[dense elbow]

And this is what killed having fun with Slayer for me. My AoE and AoE burst is decided by RNG proc and no longer the big buttons

[edgy widget]

yeah because TBlast procs don't contribute anything to your AoE 🙄

literally every spec works like that, though it's also not nearly as random as that statement makes it out to be

[neon ingot]

[eternal sundial]

Actually since warrior is plastic

Assign freedom to one

Make the priests suffer

[fervent barn]

Do you guys feel squishy af in mythics or is my gear just low

[edgy widget]

to clarify, Reflect needs to be precast to immune roots, while Avatar will only break them after they've been applied; Bladestorm will do either

[eternal sundial]

Nop, fury is still a tank compared to most dps

[edgy widget]

Warriors have good survivability, but it's almost all preemptive - you need to know when damage is coming and use abilities to mitigate it accordingly

what it isn't good at is surviving mistakes, due to the lack of immunity/cheat death mechanics

[eternal sundial]

I mean just being enraged and fury let's u live some things others dont - but that ends at some point

[edgy widget]

not that much, but it depends on what level of keys we're talking about

[eternal sundial]

Big true

[edgy widget]

at a certain point, standing in just about anything that you shouldn't be standing in is going to kill you; my point is that some classes can survive that to a limited degree, due to cheat/purg/whatever, whereas Warriors are just gonna die

but if you know bad is coming and pop SR/ER/DStance... yeah you can survive a whole lot

[dense elbow]

Prob a mix of using the kit and gear, but Fury in m+ is real tanky overall. As mentioned if you play bad, you will feel bad

[eternal sundial]

Also taking avoidable damage is bad

[edgy widget]

always

[fervent barn]

gotcha guys ty

[edgy widget]

that's where general player knowledge and skill comes in, a good player who knows how to avoid taking damage is gonna make up for whatever class-based deficiencies they may have

[fervent barn]

i never use defensive stance tbh i will have to mix that in

[edgy widget]

It's very underrated

[fervent barn]

other than that its mostly avoidable damage i take

[eternal sundial]

Dstance is better than most of what sp has on it's own

But muh damage

[edgy widget]

a lot of people don't use it because they're overly concerned with the theoretical damage loss, but unless you're just sitting in the staance for minutes at a time, the loss is a lot smaller than most people think it is

[fervent barn]

Do you guys like DBM for incoming damage shit or is it mostly just experience cause idk these dungeons at all (total mythic beginner

[edgy widget]

addons help, but it's mostly experience

[eternal sundial]

Bigwigs and knowledge

BW is the same as dbm tho

[edgy widget]

DBM/Bigwigs, various suites of weakauras

[dense elbow]

I use DBM with wa timers to keep track

[edgy widget]

having a good shotcaller in your group never hurts

[high echo]

Helps enormously when you have to eat a mechanic for a sec

You can macro berserk stance into some of your buttons and just swap back effortlessly afterwards

[edgy widget]

a lot of people will use Spell Reflect the way they should be using DStance, as the "oh shit damage is coming" button
and SR is good for that, it's a fantastic ability, but it's much better used for actually reflecting things when the opportunity presents itself

Even better, you can layer them, and that's where War starts getting really tanky

[fervent barn]

Thanks guys its refreshing to get actual answers in a wow disc instead of someone just saying “skill issue” lmao

[dense elbow]

Dstance is just really good to make things go from iffy to safe. Healer will love you if you make that spike on you disappear
Makes you brought more

No worries, once you gotten used to dstance, start looking up Spell Reflect tech - and tanks will love you too

[final birch]

When youre at a point that stuff oneshots/hurts badly you should be using notevenclose to know whether you need d stance for certain mechanics or not

If you really wanna min max that

[radiant sentinel]

I’ve been maining ret pal, but have been playing a lot more warrior lately. Find that using d stance kinda came naturally into situations where I was accustomed to using shield of vengeance

Having a macro that switches between it and berserk stance makes it super simple

[analog rivet]

what is the max level of the ring rn?

[clever path]

💯

[analog rivet]

...

[fast mural]

658

but rn only 645

[analog rivet]

can you get 658 already?

ok thank you

[fast mural]

no

[analog rivet]

you shocked me xD haha

been away a few days xD and got everything set up again and it's 645 xD haha, phewww

[unreal onyx]

one upgrade item every week, right?

[gleaming siren]

That is in fact a real life picture of me

[oblique trail]

Crazy guild name you have

[sinful spoke]

Technically u can

If u cheat

👍

[clever belfry]

u can get

max ilvl on it

(1300)

if u care about cheating ye

👍

[oblique trail]

Anda did this

He doesn't want to be beat on logs and in his guild so he showed them how to play the game, by abusing the game systems

[clever belfry]

what

[oblique trail]

feigning innocence

[clever belfry]

i legit didnt understand what u were talking about, my goober

[oblique trail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/809954503046332459/1097999985687134300/bounce.gif

[sinful spoke]

Banezi more like weebzi

[sinful spoke]

He’s pretending again

[clever belfry]

banuzzy

[sinful spoke]

Banezi’s banuzzys rn

🤤

[oblique trail]

you need god

[thick fossil]

Well, I am close to not having to pug anymore. Couple folks I met in keys, we're starting to make a regular group.

Which is good, cause my PUG life is coming to an end at 3102

[south kayak]

stop

[sinful spoke]

Box’s buxxy rn

[south kayak]

[pseudo marlin]

why are warrior tier sets dogshit once again

in terms of looks

in s2

[thick fossil]

Set bonus suck as well.

[pseudo marlin]

dk one looks cool tho

set bonuses are all the same

copy pasta

indie company

[thick fossil]

I don't hate the look, but I don't love it either.

We haven't had a beautiful set since DF s2.

[rigid stirrup]

I think s2 tww set is okay

Def not as bad as this current seasons

[stoic wigeon]

i think our set is ok but i'm wondering where the gladiator or barbarian style is hiding

[pseudo marlin]

heroic looks alright

can match with some swords

and pvp elite

asscandy mythic 2x

only ones i have done this season is the conq and elite ones

havent done much pve

[fast mural]

the open world plate set looks better than our tier

[dense elbow]

I like our tierset
Simple, looks neat, I will prob use it (prob without the helm tho)

[summer quail]

like the effect or just visual? coz the effect is pretty ass

[thick fossil]

and as usual Arms catches the worst of it. lol

[summer quail]

we will see, depends how the arms tier actually works. if it's just a really big overpower for 2 seconds then i think it's good

if not arms won't have a tierset for 35% of the fight xD

[thick fossil]

Except you don't want to lose stacks as Arms. So you'll be punished for playing the rotation properly.

[gleaming siren]

Taekon me

[gilded pawn]

you dont want to lose stacks on any spec, but if the tier set is well designed then you would get a big reward for losing stacks

right now its clearly not the case

[thick fossil]

As it is right now, the only way I can see it being decent is if the stacks build super fast.

[gilded pawn]

or they could make the payoff of losing stacks much better

[orchid dagger]

Use a back that hides sheathed 2hs

[gilded pawn]

there are many ways to do it

[oblique trail]

or delete the sets

[devout totem]

ii just wanna gamble

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/malinda-yourenotwrong-notwrong-wrong-right-gif-19187634

[fervent barn]

example?

[high echo]

Anniversary wc3 backs

Covenant backs

[ornate sable]

What is the best way to handle swapping back and forth between defensive stance for mechanics in raid?
Good macro for it? Would you ever combine the stance swap with another ability macro?

[oblique trail]

There are macros in #dps-faq for it

[orchid dagger]

The mog I showed yesterday used Small Tuskarr Pack

[oblique trail]

But most just have a macro that swap between both on the same button

[random vigil]

Does anybody know why the top M+ fury warrs are running ravager over bladestorm?

[smoky vale]

because they are playing thane?

[random vigil]

yeah but how does that make ravager stronger? the tooltip shows bs doing more dmg and granting immunity to cc

[summer quail]

you can attack during it

[random vigil]

I might just be missing something which is why im wondering

ahh okay i guess that make sense

[smoky vale]

if you have to stop doing your rotation to do something

it will be a loss

compared to doing your rotation with something at the saem time no?

[random vigil]

yeah it makes sense that continuing your rotation with passive dmg makes sense

[summer quail]

also every single unhinged cast from ravager is bloodbath. whereas bladestorm only has 1 bloodbath

[random vigil]

oh yeah didnt realize that either. thanks for the info

[red berry]

idk why they're like 'raging blow gives 2 more rage' with the new tierset

thats so goofy

[pallid cipher]

ive become addicted to dubble jumping when on my drachtyr priest. are Drachtyrs an ok race for fury? currently orc but I have a spare race change to use

[fading sky]

Yes?

All races are fine

If not its mechagnoam this time around i think

[pallid cipher]

cool ty

[jolly mist]

chose to start doing some keys on warrior, is everyone chosing to go thane on 10s n lower? or is slayer the better option

[dense elbow]

Either or, key gonna melt

Just have fun

Maybe try some arms action, big dam

[summer quail]

for me thane is noticeably better in 10s atleast. just try different things and see

[pallid cipher]

I like thane more tbh but then again I never go above 10s

[trim hound]

Chonky Thunderclap > Whimpy whirwind is pretty much reason I'm playing thane in keys lol

[dense elbow]

One day Bladestorm will be buffed and execute will do damage, then Slayer shall rise!

Till then, clap clap clap

[summer quail]

i mean execute hits decently at the moment. 9% of my damage in st isn't bad

[red berry]

id also like it to do more

[summer quail]

i wouldn't mind it doing more either, just saying it's not as weak as people say it is

[red berry]

eh

its stronger as slayer due to interactions of reducing BS and in theory it'll do, what. 45% more with all stacks? but raging blow has more interactions and then bloodthirst is both a dot or something that generates an AoE ability

its worth pressing as slayer but its not really worth pressing as thane

and i think execute's just an ability that should offer

reason for pressing it

whether it also builds slaughtering strikes

or if it just does enough damage to justify pressing it

[desert cloud]

[clever belfry]

him

[red berry]

them

[smoky vale]

pauck

[dense elbow]

Execute is 8% of my M+ dam, git gud
Yet, DPS loss from doing so aside, I would rather live in a world where Exe does more damage than the other builders by a landslide. If Sudden Death is not chosen as Slayer, because there is better value, then execute is too weak.
Simple as

[inner shadow]

How’s umm fury set pieces lookin?

[sinful spoke]

bad

[dense elbow]

I am not sold on it, but if it procs like crazy it could be alright
The payoff is to reset your stacks, so hopefully building it back up will feel good

[tepid gorge]

Hey guys does anyone know if there is a mastery soft or hard cap for fury this season right now

[sinful spoke]

theres diminishing returns always at which other stats become more worth

just sim and wear what the sim tells u to wear

[thick fossil]

Plain and simple, execute is way too weak. As Thane in keys I rarely ever touch it. It's basically become the new slam.

Which is absolutely dog shit. It should hit hard. It should be something we want to hit regularly when the mob is sub 20-30%.

[whole yacht]

I've always felt the same way

Execute feels bad on fury.

[fiery harbor]

funny thing is that execute only ever feels strong for me when i use it as prot lol

[storm rune]

That's because it hits like a fucking freight train as prot

So my goal end of season is to knock out some 100 parses in LFR, all these 99s im finna start paying for some PIs

[sinful spoke]

In lfr huh

Lfr parser over here

[sullen dove]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/870978436427055114/1009430023662469130/togif.gif

truly a of the ages

[storm rune]

Wannabe more like it

[young swan]

our payoff is tied to gaining stacks, not resetting them

[sudden tusk]

yup

the main issue is other classes even arms gain a benefit from losing stacks

fury just kinda loses everyithing and gets nothing

[smoky vale]

@versed ingot

[verbal garden]

For bloodbound, do you hold cds for adds or send off pull?

[sudden tusk]

depends on what group you are in

but at this point our bloodbound in the alt run died in 2.5 minutes

we didnt eve get add set 3 lmao

[clever belfry]

/use buddy

[oblique trail]

/balls buddy

[oblique trail]

Right after you soak the frontal as 1st group, on pull otherwise as 2nd group

[compact siren]

Mcdonald balls?

[lapis shadow]

Hey guys, not much I come here but, what is the new tier set? It feels like

Idk weird to me?

We stack rampage damage but we also have big chance of doing high bloodthirst/raging blow?

But also rampage might delete this damage buff plus BT/RB dmg?

[buoyant island]

in keys do most people use seperate cooldowns for different mob pulls i.e avatar and roar for one then ravager another then odyn fury another with recklessness as often as poss?

[lavish pecan]

You generally want to send your CDs all on the same pack, although in very low keys you may want to stagger them if the packs don't live long enough

[buoyant island]

ok thats what i do anyway just obviously the next pack after a big pull damage is poor just didnt know if it was more consistant to stagger

[lavish pecan]

As a general rule of thumb, if your CDs are up and the pack will live long enough for you to get the full duration, you should use them. There are rare exceptions, mostly in organized groups where you know a big pull is about to happen

[warm crag]

there is no shot ungrouping your cds will result in higher damage

[compact siren]

Common spongie L

[warm crag]

Jimmy

i think you should help me pull on this cracker

[compact siren]

Jimmy is at work

[warm crag]

i already asked an ironforge commoner to pull on it and they won so i have to do it again!

[compact siren]

I can later if nobody wants to pull your cracker

[warm crag]

im going straight to your gm

[compact siren]

Ok!

[gleaming siren]

wtf!!!

It's JimmyJonJon and my favourite streamer Spongie_x

[oblique trail]

wtf it's my favourite capybara schmidibara

[warm crag]

banezi!

tell me if i can divine against the darkness

[oblique trail]

Possible

[glad coyote]

still amazing tht after getting 3035 io i still get declined for 11's

[clever belfry]

me when thane AM

Silkussy

[oblique trail]

impeccable gameplay experience

[thick fossil]

I'm at 3102 and still get denied for 12 or less.

[clever belfry]

honestly only way to make that boss semi interesting

[oblique trail]

wdym

I love basically using CDs on CD now

[wise solar]

Story of warriors' life 😄 I pushed 3100 RIO to be able to fun in 12-13 keys, and I don't get invites with 90+ key logs 😂 Thats a curse we must accept 😄

[warm crag]

don't make me slaughtering strike you

[oblique trail]

You cant do this, as it's a passive not an active ability

[clever belfry]

Only ramp with 5 SS

[warm crag]

👍

[clever belfry]

why else would it stack to 5

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/metallica-sad-but-true-gif-18020772

With a "Yeah," thrown in there.

[wise solar]

But let's be honest, why would they pick us, when a paladin has 6-7 utility spells, does more DMG, has AURA.
Or a Shammy who has BL, has better DMG, and has Mastery buff.

It makes sense, its just sad 😄

In my opinion a BL for warrior wouldn't make it better, maybe a necrotic banner spell or a very unique spell

[thick fossil]

Because they did away with hybrid taxes.

[compact siren]

Stack to 7

[clever belfry]

explode

[dense elbow]

I really do hope it works the other way around, where it stacks up so quickly and effect is so strong, that you want the reset to happen to get more of them.
That the Ramp damage is not major part, the procs are.
If getting the reset feels bad, then it is so badly designed it makes no sense to add to a game

[thick fossil]

Hopefully we'll get a better picture when it hits the PTR.

[radiant sentinel]

I know it's kinda a meme around here that blizz doesn't have a class designer for warrior, but after playing ret for most of the season, then playing fury the past couple weeks.. really makes you wonder...

[thick fossil]

If anyone thinks there is a person per class, you're coping. It's more likely 4-6 ppl making all the choices for class balance.

[radiant sentinel]

maybe the better wording would have been that blizz just didn't give a shit about warrior

my cope is that they are working on a rework behind the scenes

[dense elbow]

Balance aside, and even that isn't halfbad. Fury do play better than probably ever, at least I have fun with it
Sure I wish things wasn't killed in the name of raid balance. Point is, it ain't that bad - just annoying to have fun killed

[radiant sentinel]

yeah, I picked the warrior back up cause ret was starting to feel stale. I'm having fun with it for the most part. There's just so much QOL missing comparedt to ret, and not much to gain

but overall I like the playstyle

just wish it had more flavor

[dense elbow]

Ret without hybrid tax will always just be better warrior. That is sadly what will always be

[thick fossil]

Oh, they don't. Warrior is a popular class so they don't bother doing anything to attract new players. Ret was giga buffed and made so stupidly easy because they waanted Paladin to be popular.
Shaman is the same way. They made Enhance super strong in Shadowlands, then made it super easy to play in TWW.

[radiant sentinel]

paladin has always been popular tho

[dense elbow]

This is true

[radiant sentinel]

ret is consistently one of, if not the highest played class since what.. wrath? maybe even tbc

[thick fossil]

I guess Ret was over shadowed by Prot and Holy during most of Shadowlands.

[radiant sentinel]

yeah I didn't play SL, fortunately 😄

[dense elbow]

Balance points matter, but if things are so they get to chose

Then ya see ret boom

Hybrid tax ain't a thing, Ret is huge

[radiant sentinel]

yeah, I guess if that's there philosophy going forward, I'd like to see more utility for warrior. A shout that does blood lust, for starters.

[dense elbow]

Won't make a difference but sure

[radiant sentinel]

that alone won't, no. But it'd be a nice piece

and very thematic

[dense elbow]

Just don't continue that path, then you end asking for AoE combat ress and divine shield

[thick fossil]

I'd be fine with lacking the utility if they just let us do a lot more damage to make up for it.

[dense elbow]

This would be more it

Sadly we are not allowed to

Less tools = more raw output
But that is hybrid tax

[radiant sentinel]

this would be my preferred path as well

but it seems like that philosophy is dead

[dense elbow]

It is, shaman/paladin especially is against it for obvious reasons

Fury had its moment with specialised AoE burst, so that could be a route. But based on the nerfs, ye, ye...
That ain't what the Devs want

[thick fossil]

The Shaman forums seem to understand that they're pretty broken.
Paladins are the ones that are completely fucking delusional that they are in an unhealthy state.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want them nerfed. I just want all classes to be equally desired for M+ content.

[dense elbow]

Will never happen tho

[radiant sentinel]

the thing with paladin is.. I think balance wise they are in a decent state. Obviously their dungeon damage is super strong, but they aren't outstanding in raid at higher skill levels. The big issue is that you can achieve like 95% of the specs output at a pretty low skill level

couple that in with nice utility and quality of life shit like being able to attack at range

[dense elbow]

Either there is enough a DPS diff that matters to outweigh the utility option. Or all classes being the same.
2nd option is not fun or healthy. 1st option causes great swings in community perception.
It is basically an impossible task.

Already you can bring warrior to highest content. Problem is, it is too close on DPS (warrior being equal to a small gain with shout), so bringing more specialist utility got more value

(if you buff raw dam, then we get raid problems)

[lament otter]

Make overwhelmed benefit other members too

[dense elbow]

At that point, just balance warrior with the % on shout... I don't want that

That line turns warrior into aug

[radiant sentinel]

even if they just balance damage as is, I'd love to see some quality of life stuff added to the talent tree. I don't know if it still exists but when they first made survival hunter a melee class there was an ability that let you cast a bunch of shit at range for a certain amount of time

something like that for warrior would be awesome

[dense elbow]

I really don't see why you would turn warrior into paladin in that aspect. I get why, I just don't want that.
Warrior to me is melee only, not reaching towards hybrid territory

[vernal furnace]

Is the answer to having a healthy relationship with wow just doing mid keys and heroic raids?

[radiant sentinel]

I dunno, still fits the theme to me. Assuming it's like a 10-15 second buff 1 minute cd. Throwing weapons would be cool

[radiant sentinel]

i think the real answer is to unsub

but if you want to still play the game, you're probably not far off with that

[dense elbow]

As long you are having fun, anything works be it wquests only, petbattles or o.o1% push

[vernal furnace]

Still want to play but im not going to put myself through actual hell of mythic raiding and chain bricking +16s becauase of a missed gcd

[dense elbow]

If you don't enjoy it, don't play it. It's why my warrior and wow is semi on the shelf

[vernal furnace]

Im having fun leveling toons and doing mid key atm

[agile bone]

in this raid fury kinda deserves to be rank 1 dps by far though. They seemingly designed the whole raid for furies cds and were suprised it was good.

[velvet canopy]

Unironically yes. I just PUG 11's and 12's for the fun of it and to see how much I can pump damage. Hard enough that you can lose by mistakes and mobs don't die instantly, but you don't need entire keys on a pre-planned script to not fail.

[dense elbow]

Ye, and then nerfed us for it to the point of m+ irrelevance.
It is WoW balance in a nutshell. Kill the fun in the name of raid ⚖️

[velvet canopy]

If you don't have fun pushing there is absolutely no reason to do it

[vernal furnace]

I’ve have a few too many grim batol incidents

[dense elbow]

Problem is very much that raid and m+ are different beasts. And the goal is always raid balance first.
So big AoE burst that got impact in m+ would be OP in raid... It sucks, but that is the dev teams goals

[gilded pawn]

could still tune up mountain thane

if they want throughput aoe

[dense elbow]

You mean slayer, I hope

Thane is fine

Maybe give Thane a pinch more ST value. But Slayer really need AoE burst buffs

[gilded pawn]

slayer is more bursty

thane is more throughput

if you want to buff throughput aoe without the burst

then you buff thane

[agile bone]

Or just buff WW cleave?

[dense elbow]

Thane already just better at both tho

[gilded pawn]

thane is not better at the 3-4 gcd burst that fury got nerfed for

[dense elbow]

Fair, you a raider

I already addressed that discussion point above if interested

[gilded pawn]

ye and im saying if you buff thane you can keep raid balanced while buffing m+

[dense elbow]

Buffing Thane will only put it even further ahead Slayer.
So you got to buff baseline, or buff both at their respective elements

End will probably see both specs flat

As burst is too much fun to have a spec balances around, because of raid boss design

[gilded pawn]

them reworking titans torment next patch is a very good step to solving the 3 gcd burst problem

[dense elbow]

Hopefully it will not only equal a flattening of the profile

But I presume that is the goal

As we seen no Storm or OF buffs to counteract it

My worst case scenario is a world where OF and BS are just "technically burst" windows. You don't feel them or see them, but in the frame of 4 sec they are more efficient

[hardy bluff]

does it matter or are you a small add pad enjoyer?

[dense elbow]

I do m+ and I enjoy getting feedback from pressing CDs

Not a raider

I am glad if you are having fun padding on adds, every 4 sec on a 45 spawn timer

That is not how m+ works

This is why i point out it is a raid vs m+ problem, as seen above

[hardy bluff]

yea m+ has fucked balancing for years now tbh

because every class needs to be good at it

or decent

[gilded pawn]

well fury is still going to be very bursty with the new RA

except the burst will be over 20 seconds rather than 3

which is balancable

[dense elbow]

Hopefully in this new world, pressing storm and OF will be seen, and not part of the new flat world order

I presume everything to turn flat

Doesn't mean I want it

[gilded pawn]

itll be less seen due to the nature of our stronger burst from other spells

i hypothesize a huge part of the burst is gonna be BB+BB bleeds

[dense elbow]

At that point, just delete storm and odyns

What is the point of cooldowns if they are not flashy and impactful

[gilded pawn]

bladestorm is pretty impactful for what it does rn

odyns not really

[dense elbow]

Odyns is a DPS negative other than in GCD efficiency in the 4 sec window for sure

Without TT Ava value, it super dead

[gilded pawn]

now that we dont have titans torment they could make the bleed/burn longer

[dense elbow]

Or they could just buff the front loaded dam

[radiant sentinel]

I feel that. I'm happy enough to run like like 10-12 keys and not push that any farther. But i do enjoy mythic raiding.

[gilded pawn]

then you go back to the 1 gcd burst problem

[dense elbow]

That is only a raid problem

It is fub

Fun is what I want

[gilded pawn]

you dont need 1 gcd burst in m+ either

[dense elbow]

It is fun to see lots of big numbers

[gilded pawn]

i find getting CE in a 6 hour/week guild fun

but we cant get waht we want

[dense elbow]

I really don't see why seeing big number on screen is a problem

Why does it have to be balanced out for raid pad reasons

When you press the big dam button, you want to see the big dam number

Not a ton of small ticks

[radiant sentinel]

yeah, bleed/dots have never been exciting to me

gimme big numbers

big crits

[dense elbow]

^

[thick fossil]

Let's be fair, Survival's main damage has a 40 yrd range. (Bombs)

[radiant sentinel]

oh word? i'm totally out of the loop on that

just remember playing it for like 30 minutes in bfa

[mighty basin]

They still gave an Ability that lets them use melee stuff st ranged for x amount of seconds

[molten night]

aspect of the eagle only affects raptor strike/mongoose bite so....

[summer quail]

#arms

[radiant sentinel]

I don't wanna lol

[summer quail]

oh me neither. spec sucks

[wise solar]

Okey, another note 😄
Now I understand why do they pick other classes rather than Warrior.
Just finished a 14 Mists, and active DPS:

My: 1,96M - 95% key parse from 258 warriors
Enhancement Shammy: 1,93M - 41% key parse from 2043 shammys

Which means you should always inv a shammy , because they will do the same DMG as a brownie even if they are not one of the best and also brings BL, Mastery Buff, Skyfury, Decurse, Poison dispell.

Haiya
-- end of crying --

[dense elbow]

And yet, you proved to be the better pick
But yes, at the tip top of performance this matters

[warm crag]

or it just means that the tank didnt play around the shaman much

wouldn't bother reading into m+ logs too much

completely worthless metric

[wise solar]

That can be also the truth, idk

[dense elbow]

Could just be bad maze spawns too

[warm crag]

if you timed the key and used your util properly then you did well not much more to say without vod reviews and shit

[dense elbow]

In mist I would only ask if you made full value out of SR

[wise solar]

SR? (sorry I am a 0 neuron warrior)

[dense elbow]

SpellReflect

It does a lot of dam on 1st and guardians in particular. It also negates a lot of damage from spits to floor pools. Makes tanks and healers life a lot easier
Kinda the value we bring as an extra

[wise solar]

Ahh, no, I don't dare to taunt from a PUG tank 😄

And I am a gnome, so I can't taunt, SR, shadowmeld 😄

[compact knot]

a lot of our value is in spell reflect, but yeah it's probably hard to use in pug keys because some tanks aren't smart

[wise solar]

Unfortunately SR doesn't make us an attractive choice for keys 😄 But never give up, some day Blizzard will raise us (hopium)

[ashen socket]

#1 healing parse on rash

EZ

[wind torrent]

Yeah it’s easier to taunt SR if you’re comming with a tank. I wouldn’t risk that shit in a pug tank either.

[dense elbow]

Most tanks I played with at the 14 range will taunt back, if you tell them as you go into the maze you gonna be doing it

I also make sure to range taunt and not melee taunt, in case reaction is slower

[wind torrent]

Should probably never taunt in melee range in general. Even if the tank is really fast reaction time.

[modest condor]

@fickle bluff stop being afk nerd

[fickle bluff]

[warm crag]

wtf

[marble schooner]

how bad am I if I needed like 7 tries before killing Zekvir ?? at 626 ilvl

it was fun tho

[hardy bluff]

hardest part is not kicking the dot but only the heal

[golden hare]

better than me, i never killed it!!

[marble schooner]

like half my wipes were to this, the other half heroic-leaping to coccoon and getting Claw-slammed

[hardy bluff]

yea

[fluid kite]

yo guys. Stormbringer Runed Citrine is simming better for me than Thunderlords in single target

According to the guides, Thunderlords should be better for ST

What are you using?

[summer quail]

you just follow sim

[warm crag]

are you truely bad if you were determined enough to beat them?

[fluid kite]

ty!

[marble schooner]

this fills me with determination

[fickle bluff]

wise words as always

[marble schooner]

omg two Spongies

[sullen dove]

two too many to two

[opal sapphire]

an y Ovinax trinket enjoyers can tell me if min maxing 10-20 or 20-10 is worth it?

Because of the ring it now sims a 10k increase over sacbrood for me which is what it is

[sullen dove]

you wanna try to keep stacks between 10 and 20 especially for on use to make the buff not overly diminish but in regular combat of a boss fight obviously not always gonna be possible to dance around that range

I’d say so long as you’re not like… at 30 stacks for half the fight it’s prolly fine enough

and can do the stacks prepull to use on use on pull and use with other on use trinket

to not worry about your stack count during big cds

[opal sapphire]

Alright, thanks

[trail locust]

During burst window do you spend every CB and BB before rampaging?
Or do you just CB and skip BB?

[fickle bluff]

spend

[dense elbow]

You can skip BBs that get consumed by uhinged procs during ravager/bladestorm, rest should be consumed as per usual

[trail locust]

And after Ravager/BS ?

[young swan]

spend

[trail locust]

Just CB and BB even if above 100 rage

[dense elbow]

We Rampage to CB/BB, we dont CB/BB to rampage - RA in a nutshell

[trail locust]

ok so dont mind overcapping rage ty 🙂

[dusty cove]

So we now have to talent sudden death and reckless abandon is changed? These are both bad?

[fickle bluff]

sudden death change is definitely a nerf to AoE builds

we need to see ptr to tell if RA is good or bad (it will be buffed/nerfed anyway)

[radiant plank]

Deserved "nerf" with logical reasoning

[dusty cove]

suppose ive been running thane for AOE anyway

[dusty cove]

Yeah, I just liked the way it worked now though. But ah well

[jade cipher]

guys i'm tweaking gems around on this finger

and in M+ the highest stat gem instead of legendary skipper

i do more damage with it

but it sims lower

definetly higher burst

have you tested diffrent gems on the ring? if so what do you think

[keen vigil]

why every fury uses stormbringer on queen mythic?

isnt thunderlord better for st?

[radiant sentinel]

i'd lean toward trusting the sims... tests far more iterations than a human is able to

[karmic crow]

anyone here use dusk/dawn emblishments in raid?

[radiant plank]

yep

[karmic crow]

did it sim higher or do just not CBA about the very minor loss in sims?

i think mine sims like 50k less

[radiant plank]

simmed higher

sim with realistic uptime, like 75-80%

not 60% fake number

[karmic crow]

hmm, still has it as a dps loss

if i link log, can you check if im doing something wrong?

[narrow narwhal]

Trust robot

[radiant plank]

prolly dont have 2x 639 weps

or u r crafting it in silly slots with your stats being weirdly bad for them

[karmic crow]

probably the later

currently running wrists/weapon

dont have 2x 639 weps

[radiant plank]

yeah

xd

[karmic crow]

RIP weapon diff

[eternal sundial]

trinket diff xdd

[sudden tusk]

yeah both dinars gonna be spent on trinkets becuase BiS dungeon trinkets are wrath from god himself

[fickle bluff]

cant wait to buy the ring (assuming it goes to mythic) because it will impossible to get it because its presumably a very rare drop from gallywix ICANT

[unreal onyx]

no gem in belt zzz

[karmic crow]

was gonna get one last week but got cloak in vault. started season late 😦

[hardy bluff]

well you cant buy dungeon items with your dinars

only raid

[warm crag]

what dinars

[fickle bluff]

Bro hasn't read up on available 11.1 information

[warm crag]

you are stating the facts as they are

[mighty basin]

Boys and girls

[runic violet]

Question: do you guys use the new ring?

[lapis shadow]

Yeah

[runic violet]

recommended combination?

[spiral oasis]

I'm 630 and I can't get invited to 8s this is ass

[runic violet]

u are a brown

[spiral oasis]

whoah

are we that bad?

[runic violet]

not so desired

[spiral oasis]

I guess it's especially because of this week's affix

[runic violet]

it's actually not that big of deal

healer can easily manage... but there is pinkman

[near wing]

lol, I’m 637 and still get declined from 10s…. Was easier to get into runs midway through season than now

[spiral oasis]

pro strat is to reroll tank

prot paladin herei come

[near wing]

Egh my strat was to play poe2 until new season. But that also got boring. Now I’m touching grass, praying season 2 drops asap

[spiral oasis]

Oh wait we can use bitter immunity

lol

[runic violet]

poe2 that fun?

I'm kinda on the fence

I'm near maxed out on my paly.. so im playing warrior again.

hard to get invited but.. managed 8/8 vault this week so im good

630 right now

[summer quail]

yeah, it has its problems tho. will most likely get a patch that fixes some things in a week or two

[runic violet]

Hmmmm

[whole yacht]

poe is fun if youre into the play style of the game

i do not like poe for example. its not a bad game. but im not a fan of how it plays

[runic violet]

I played like 10 min of poe1

[sturdy zodiac]

There's a silent B in PoE, it stands for "bin"

[runic violet]

didn't like it 😮

[whole yacht]

you probably wont like poe 2 then

[modest condor]

a friend tried to get me to play poe but i just didnt like it

[lapis shadow]

thunderlord, fathomdweller, legendary

[runic violet]

tyty

[velvet canopy]

I love POE (Pillars of Eternity)

[frigid temple]

7/8 M

lets go

[junior gale]

gratz now have fun with spider

[frigid temple]

Idk man

the guide videos are like 100000 hours

ill just superimpose crits video on my game and follow him

[warm crag]

idk just do some research for once lol

jsut watch a dratty vid and you'll actually prog a fight

[junior gale]

we still proggin p2 queen rn because half the raid falls alseep half way through any dratnos guide

[smoky vale]

i wish i got to play dps on ansurek

😦

[frigid temple]

felt that way on court too. After 1hr~ people just stop giving a fuck

[summer quail]

what happened to your tanks?

[smoky vale]

🙂

first night i was tanking 90 min bc trial had to go to funeral coems

does 9 pulls and does it worse than me

xd

[summer quail]

oof

[median kestrel]

i press cds on bridge or the 2 guys before on mythic queed, obviously up the bridge?

[smoky vale]

i think its of first, all 2nd, and of on 3

[fickle bluff]

That's what I've been doing yeah

[exotic root]

real

Trial brain for you

[eager ember]

question is single minded fury a viable talent or are fury wars still pure 2h?

[orchid iron]

I didn’t search because nobody else does, is this siren trinket outperforming Sac for us too?

[smoky vale]

its a noticable damage loss

but if playing smf is fun to you

play it

[eager ember]

ah, i just wish i could tmog my 2h weapons with the cool void 1h swords XD

[smoky vale]

then do it

if yuo enjoy that

do it

[pliant token]

reg maghar racial: since its 2 min cd vs 1:30 on ava, reck, trinket, etc. - do you wait 30 sec to send all cds together again or do you stick to 1:30 window and just send maghar racial every 2nd 1:30 window instead? I guess this is a general question how to handle desynced cds better - thankful for any input or if u have resources to read on this!

[hardy bluff]

you dont hold cds for a minor racial

[storm rune]

I'm sure there are very specific breakpoints in kill times where holding would be beneficial, but it would be a minute gain

[pliant token]

alright, thanks you two 👍

[lean lava]

slayer is still playable in m+?

[hardy bluff]

everything is playable

[hardy bluff]

kinda depends what your goal is

[warm crag]

@clever belfry @oblique trail

?

we must stop this behaviour

[radiant plank]

Does he main dancer in that game too

[clever belfry]

i am not high enough level to be a dancer

👍

[oblique trail]

dox

[warm crag]

wtf?

[clever belfry]

uve literally been doxed here previously

[oblique trail]

stop doxing me further

[warm crag]

your real name banezia

[oblique trail]

so rude

[warm crag]

hello!

[clever belfry]

i am banezib

[compact siren]

Hello banezia and banezib

Show me Schmidi again please

[warm crag]

show us schmidi!

[warm crag]

Yippie!!!!

[thick fossil]

What did I wake up to?

[clever belfry]

fury channel

[thick fossil]

Fair enough. Lol

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-silly-place-holy-grail-gif-14462043

[pallid wolf]

SMF will basically never be a viable talent. Just the raw stat loss from have 2 2H weapons versus having 2 1H weapons will make it so that its nearly impossible for them to balance SMF close enough to Titan's Grip to make it worth it.

If they push the talent to hard, then it makes it swing the other way. So no Fury wars would even consider titan's grip.

Really, they should just make a glyph "glyph of single minded fury" - allows this character to transmog 1 handed weapon appearances on both the main hand and off hand, when dual wielding only"

[orchid dagger]

We would need a Str 1H to be so busted for SMF to ever be worth it

[tender seal]

SMF is good right?

[sour frigate]

Yes sir

Need to play annihilator tho

[thick fossil]

[iron portal]

Sir , that is the vilest thing i have ever seen

[thick fossil]

The rat gonna jam. Let them do what they want, it's their loss.

[iron portal]

SMF - Sorry my friend

[civic hemlock]

sup bros. trying to figure something out. in M+ thane talents, with no CDs, should your rotation be rb > cb > bt > rampage

or just slam rampage if buff is down and then as soon as you get enough rage

[dense elbow]

M+? You kinda want to slam ramp and bt as much as possible for AM and blast. So ramp, bt ramp/rb, ramp/rb, bt ramp/rb. When you get blast you blast. When you can clap, clap.
Dont worry about it too much, just make sure to get bt on CD and clap when able, and it more or less plays itself
Build performs a lot better than the OF version in PuG scenarios in my experience

(and a lot better than, RIP, slayer)

[oblique trail]

They're not playing AM

[oblique trail]

General rotation is just
CB > BB > Ramp > RB > BT outside of CDs

[dense elbow]

He said no cd build no?

[oblique trail]

They said with no CDs

[civic hemlock]

i just meant when cds arent up

sorry lol

[dense elbow]

Sadgers, he should play am, a ton more fub

[oblique trail]

It's also just worse if you care about your damage

Not by a ton, but still worse

[dense elbow]

I doubt it will matter vs fun gained

[civic hemlock]

this is my build

im just trying to max what i can do. on +13s now and sometimes even pulling 1.8m overall seems not enough

[oblique trail]

I personally hate AM so not only would I lose damage, I'd also lose enjoyment

[oblique trail]

This build is fine

Can move a point from BI and Overwhelming Rage over to Honed Reflexes and Second Wind for City of Threads

[dense elbow]

Banezi going hard against am, smh

[oblique trail]

Yes because I genuinely despise dynamic CDR

[dense elbow]

Fair, too bad they killed Slayer eh

[oblique trail]

How did they kill Slayer

Am I missing a hidden patch note

[dense elbow]

Does 0 dam in m+

[oblique trail]

Perhaps if you play AM Slayer

[dense elbow]

Well less dam than the spec that does less dam

Guess you could argue it does fine, it can do content at a cost

[oblique trail]

I think neither of us do key levels where it really matters

[dense elbow]

Indeed

Still a handicap in essence

[dense elbow]

Oh, and to your topic. Dont worry about overall DPS, as it is dictated by the group, dung and pulls.
You can have a court with 2mill or 1.5 and you still did the same job.
To do the most dam, the group must perform as a unit to do so. So dont use that metric. Instead just see if you are keeping up with the group and pulling your weight

(generally speaking the true dps classes will best you, just keep in mind you are better/equal when you add AP value)

[thick fossil]

I can't wait to see A: Paladin and Shaman hard nerfed, or B: rest of the classes buffed to their level.

[sour frigate]

B impossibruh

[mighty basin]

I mean shaman losing defense and paladin is just always be a good play

Besides like a 4-5 seasons pally been meta in some aspect

[radiant sentinel]

I'd be surprised if paladin sees a damage nerf

they aren't the best, or even near the top in anything

middling single target, high end of above average in aoe

[thick fossil]

They're a 30s cool down class. That alone is wild. Groups never have to play around their cool downs, and the skill floor is so high it's stupid.

[radiant sentinel]

I don't disagree with any of that.. but the end result doesn't change

trinkets for days in my vault

wish it was a sacbrood tho

[thick fossil]

Let's put it this way. Imagine if we had Avatar and Recklessness up every 30 seconds.

[radiant sentinel]

I understand that, but then you'd have to nerf the effectiveness of them for it to not be busted

it's not like ret is doing infinitely more damage than every one just because their cooldowns are shorter. the effectiveness of the cooldowns is adjusted for that play style

[thick fossil]

Oh, just to rub it in a little.

[radiant sentinel]

rip

[oblique trail]

Warriors skill floor is also, all things considered, incredibly high

While it's bad practice, as Fury you can reasonably hammer all your CDs together in a macro and you'd do 90-95% of the potential of your spec

[modest condor]

you can even completely ignore the RA prio and just press rampage when it's available and barely notice a difference

[marble schooner]

fcking hell I got embelish crafted boots QQ id have to craft something else to make boots fit
got 619 umbriss/626 Circle of bone but I guess I can get Ringworm from raid and it's only 626
and 619 Wings

I guess I could also just get boots from pugging Mraid 4head

[eager stirrup]

Trust the sim? I currently have Ulgrax's Morsel-Masher as my MH

[radiant sentinel]

damn, mark isn't that good for fury I guess? Here i thought i finally got a good trinket from vault

current trinkets are 626 sac and transmitter

[sour cloak]

how much better is mountain thane than slayer for m+?

[elfin wagon]

transmitter is really big so

[radiant sentinel]

yeah

go figure i get 3 trinkets in my vault and none of them are the ones I want

[verbal garden]

How hard is it to use Transmitter really? Debating whether to take it from vault. Sims really well but not sure if its worth it considering the gimmicky on use.

[radiant sentinel]

it's annoying, but you get use to it pretty quick

[oblique trail]

I've used it since heroic week, and it's not difficult

[radiant sentinel]

the best advice i got for it here was to have it on its own keybind

do your dance, then start your opener

[dusk tiger]

Just download a weakaura to tell you what the command to do is as it can get lost in other spell effects or large pulls in m+

[oblique trail]

The ball/pad from Transmitter always spawns front right of where your character is facing, so you can pre-turn your character to spawn it in a safe place

[verbal garden]

So, always pre-pull before CDs?

[oblique trail]

Ideally yes

You can use it pre-pull, almost finish the task, then finish it as the pull starts

[radiant sentinel]

it's far from my favorite thing, but it became second nature pretty quick

and it's very strong

[verbal garden]

So, I can see that being pretty easy in raid or boss in m+. How do you manage in keys going pack to pack? Just pause for a sec and trigger? Puzzlebox sort of thing?

[oblique trail]

More or less

Just do your rotation as much as you can afford to, without overloading yourself if it can be a bit much, then finish the task and pop CDs

Though unlike Puzzle, it has no cast time to it

It's instant cast -> starts 1 of 3 tasks -> you have 15 seconds to finish the task

Would recommend just testing it a bit on a dummy to get a feel for how far away the ball/pad spawns from you, as it'll always be the same distance and place if you get either one of them

[verbal garden]

Got it. Thanks for the info. Don't think I can pass it up. Sims to well.

[spiral orbit]

all of my alts have the ring already. do i have to do the ilvl upgrade on each alt every week?

[sinful bison]

Need a little help with this one. Got lucky in my vault for a myth weapon or Mark of Khardros. The sim says Mark is the biggest upgrade replacing my Mandate but I only have a champion weapon. And the myth weapon has speed too. What would you guys do?

[spiral orbit]

trinket 100%

you can craft a weapon. you might never see that trink again

[sinful bison]

I have a crafted weapon already

[sage anvil]

you can use 2

[spiral orbit]

so craft another one

[sour frigate]

u siming dslice?

[sinful bison]

yea

[sour frigate]

check what patchwerk 3 or 5 min says

[sinful bison]

oooo Patchwork 3 min says the weapon

[oblique trail]

You're simming the weapon in offhand, not main hand

I'd pick the weapon personally, then try and farm out a HC Mark or Shard

Neither is a particularly wrong pick however

[sinful bison]

is there a way to add a weapon that i havent received yet? Like adding a second crafted weapon even if i dot have it yet?

[sour frigate]

Gear Compare tab in raidbots

[modest condor]

top gear lets you too

at the top of where you select your gear

[sinful bison]

ooo found it! Thank you

[sour frigate]

Or droptimizer

[thick fossil]

I mean, it is a BiS mythic weapon.

[sour frigate]

^

[lean nacelle]

anyone know if there is a ring upgrade quest this week?

[thick fossil]

There is one every week for 6 weeks.

[sinful bison]

Yep crafted weapon and trinket is the top result

[queen linden]

Only took 9 weeks of garbage vaults to get something decent.

[clever path]

im not seeing one for this week

the usual quest giver doesnt have the quest to give you the upgrade mat

[thick fossil]

Finish the zone quest and you'll get it.

[clever path]

thats stupid

why would they change it around like that

so you get it from completing tides of greed or Special assignment?

[smoky vale]

because they want you to play the game?

[clever path]

then why not make it like that to begin with?

why make you get the quest from the same npc twice, then this week they completely change how you get the upgrade

[fast mural]

this version didnt exist in DF right ?

i was surprised this was a thing after buying the pvp arsenal

[floral oak]

Just had an interesting Ara-Kara. Tank was low level and lost threat on last boss to the point where I had to leap away. When the AoE pull mechanic happened I realized I had no leap, so charged a teammates slime at the end and came out unharmed!

Anyway, an odd discovery on new years eve. Happy new year!

[radiant sentinel]

that's quick thinking, i would have panicked and died

[sullen dove]

underleveled tank assumes normal dungeon in which case it prolly doesnt do enough dmg to 1shot

but ye still cool

[dense elbow]

I would just pop dstance and chill 😎 healer mechanic

[floral oak]

Mythic 10

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-oh-my-god-wow-gasp-gagged-gif-13441532916330989896

guess undergeared then

but schwifty

[floral oak]

By "underlevel" I guess the DPS just out leveled him heavily. 3 DPS 633-6 and 619 tank

[dense elbow]

I mean, if he at least push some buttons with taunt, he should be fine

620 can easilly hold agro x)

[floral oak]

He did taunt shortly after my leap

[sullen dove]

[dense elbow]

Fair, maybe he fell asleep

Ara is quite boring

[floral oak]

Guess he taunted in the beginning and lost aggro when it wore off

Tanked it quite a while before having to leap

[sullen dove]

fury is da goat

[dense elbow]

Should've just popped Dstance and you are the tank

[floral oak]

Had pot, lust, cds ticking xD Used enraged Regen and that was as far as my warrior brain could take it. Keept pushing cds while getting hitted for a few seconds before I finally had to leap with 20% hp

[dense elbow]

Trust, you can tank that boss, she does what 3million an auto

ez pz

Healer mechanic >:)

[karmic crow]

is it safe to say that the crit meta gem is basicically worthless and shouldnt be gemmed for?

[oblique trail]

It's not worthless, but it's not important either

I've personally used the movement speed gem basically the entire tier instead, as I value the movespeed more

[jovial coral]

Go rest rbeconcoso

[red berry]

its the only gem that increases damage, so if you just want that. do that. movement speed is nice though

well. with the effect, rather

[jovial coral]

benzono

[oblique trail]

I think you should have some water Brhozo

[jovial coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1264667212707401769.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[smoky vale]

hi ish

[sullen dove]

allo

[light crypt]

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[sudden tusk]

newyearsevesmish

[modest condor]

imagine not playing frenzied enrage

[oblique trail]

I am, but this way I have more movespeed when I run back to the trash packs after ripping aggro from pug tanks

[modest condor]

understandable

[sullen dove]

knife finally replaced

74 weeks later

cool new mercurial egg

surely will not suffer immensely

[smoky vale]

on main or soredish

or both

[sullen dove]

uh

dont kill bosses on soredish

[smoky vale]

except the cursed broodrizzler

ty again

🙂

[sullen dove]

rizzler

https://tenor.com/view/rizzler-fyoutolo-the-rizzler-tiktok-rizzler-rizz-gif-15794958122543828496

[eternal sundial]

Le charmeur

[frosty heron]

guys, can we farm the ring upgrade on a rare multiple times ?

[sudden tusk]

no

1 a week

[frosty heron]

cause i see some eu with 655 or 652 rings

[fickle bluff]

because you can exploit it with faction changes

[frosty heron]

oh lol xD that explains

[clever belfry]

@oblique trail haiiiii :3

[fickle bluff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1321468903087542332/rBHHH.gif

[clever belfry]

that was way too fast Greg

get help

[sudden tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1304357622866247772/Banezi_chomp.gif

[oblique trail]

Haiiii :33

[fickle bluff]

its my first gif in favourites

[sullen dove]

favorited gifs kinda sucks

when u got like hundreds

need to b able to make folders of shit

[fickle bluff]

at least they actually load now

[eternal sundial]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/233915177685352448/1180324886590263318/ezgif.com-gif-maker_4.gif?ex=657d0236&is=656a8d36&hm=51414d3655aa24bd9b1ca3141bcd6ca32759f9f0ee76e8af89a67c9a4f372fcc&

[marble schooner]

Im having an issue where I got Shard macroed to Reck and Ava, and there are times where I use the macro and it wont use shard

am I dumb?

[oblique trail]

Is it the CDR week

[fickle bluff]

m+ affix will desync them

[oblique trail]

If so then what Greg said

[marble schooner]

omg fml

thats why

[oblique trail]

The affix only CDRs your CDs, not trinkets

[marble schooner]

im so dumb lol

tyall ~.~

CDR on CDs but not on trinkets is crazy work

ngl

[summer quail]

ye it's pretty ass

[jovial coral]

cdr this ": patnst brab:

[quiet briar]

Is the WoWH guide “opener” for multi target right? Just going to start playing Fury and looking for AoE opener plz! Thanks guys!

[grave pewter]

Whirlwind

[narrow narwhal]

We actually have the wrong openers in the guides to troll newbies

[opaque falcon]

🥳

[wintry smelt]

Happy new year fellow warriors 🥳

[fickle bluff]

its been a year since ive seen you guys

[covert blaze]

it's 9 pm silly

[sour tundra]

is there not two separate io scores anymore for mythic +

[trim hound]

Just 1 score now, yes

[warm crag]

no, at +10 you have both fort and tyr active at the same time and at 12+ theres no weekly affixes so its just 1 score for a dungeon now

[sour tundra]

i like that better

[dense elbow]

Same, makes the M+ game a twoparter. One for chill fun with (hopefully) coming positive affixes, achivements, portals and gear. Then 12+ is the push gameplay, that isn't made too much by the bells and whistles that isn't fun when things already slap

[glad coyote]

its something thats good and bad from some one who does alot of m+ cause now every week its the same thing for every key which can get boring but imo a good change

[dense elbow]

Fair, I find enough challenge in just pushing the content - without playing the whole "pushweek" game

[warm crag]

its push week

1 every 12 weeks

engaging!

[oblique trail]

get pushed out of the game

[covert blaze]

survival hunter dropping all the bombs

[warm crag]

banezi why have you not entered vc since last year?

[oblique trail]

explode

[warm crag]

only 2 messages by banezi in 2025

so toxic?

[modest condor]

remember when he used to be active

now he has 2 messages in a whole year

[warm crag]

fucked up

[junior gale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1308425300056477696/ujDOV.gif

[sinful spoke]

who is this baldy

[fickle bluff]

Southerntiger

[dense elbow]

You blind? It is Banezi, the yellow name of Skyhold.

[junior gale]

Banezi the southern tiger

[silent root]

Hi guys, so recently started playing fury warrior for m+, I am trying to get a hang of the rotation, but I am wondering, whether I should only cast raging blow when i need fury when i pop cooldowns, because i gain enough when in recklessness, so do i just do thunderclap, rampage, bloodthirst/bloodbath, and repeat till i need fury? then start using raging blow

when i need rage sorry, dno why im saying fury xD

This is the build im using

[final birch]

Raging blow becomes empowered as well

You do want to press both crushing blow (empowered raging blow) and bloodbath before pressing another rampage

Swap 2 points of vicious contempt for odyns fury with titanic rage (choice node below it) assuming youre doing low keys (say not higher than 10)

Idk when would you swap out of odyns fury

I didnt play much on my warrior this season (14-15 max) and of still felt good enough to keep instead of VC

[silent root]

Thankyou, i messaged you privately 🙂

[civic schooner]

should i be using bloodbath over rampage ?

[sonic shoal]

As long as you’re enraged

[civic schooner]

and should i be getting bloodbath to a certain % like the old tier set ?

or not worth it

[sonic shoal]

Nope, you don’t care about it

[civic schooner]

i see

been playing fury a bit wrong then i assumed it was still rampage over everything

[sonic shoal]

Unfortunately not

IF enraged, rampage comes pretty late

Only if you don’t have thunder blast or empowered bloodthirst/raging blow, will you hit rampage

Not sure about raging blow or rampage, which one is higher tbh, because for slayer raging blow was higher. Not sure about thane

[final birch]

Not strictly

You dont want to press rampage the moment you hit 80 rage

[sonic shoal]

If you’re not enraged? You will. But I’m not sure if raging blow is higher than rampage or not

[final birch]

No you dont

[sonic shoal]

You don’t hit rampage if you’re not enraged?

[final birch]

You dont hit the rampage the second youre at 80 rage

If you dont have cb/bb

If youre not enraged yes

But generally

[sonic shoal]

Well as I said I’m not sure if rampage is higher than raging blow. For slayer it isn’t, but I’m not entirely sure for thane

[final birch]

Its dependant on fury since if you ding it insta you might have „downtime” aka you’ll have to spam slam (or w.e other filler youre talented into) instead

[runic violet]

Is Fathomdweller's Runed Citrine bugged right now?

The NPC doesn't sell it.

[oblique trail]

You can't buy it

You have to get it from the event in the cave

The only good gem you can buy is the legendary skipper

(unless you already got them)

[runic violet]

ic

so I need to camp there 😮

[sonic shoal]

Unfortunately yes

[clever path]

🖕

[alpine palm]

Q: Aoe situation, Rage is at 80, enrage is about to run out, and you just used your last stack of Whirlwind cleave. Do you cast Rampage to get your enrage back up or Whirlwind for cleave?

[dense elbow]

Ww does no damage, rampage does when cleaved

[modest condor]

whirlwind first

[warm pond]

Hey so is Slayer still the premier go to for raid ST?

Or is MT finally king of the hill?

[marble schooner]

Rn on AoE opener I feel like im doing something wrong, I get veeery overcapped on fury when doing Charge>Reck/Ava/DR>TB so I find myself popping Ramp>TB>Ramp>OF> and then respect the Ramp>CB>BB is that wrong?

is it better to just accept the overcap and dont miss on CB and BBs?

[covert blaze]

just overcap

[dense elbow]

Spec AM, skip odyns, be happy - ramp and clap

[runic violet]

odyn not meta anymore?

Eh... I need odyn for ww stack anyways

[covert blaze]

funkykitty
skip odyns

[dense elbow]

I am sure you could get some value out of it, but if you want performance that is not based on CDs lining up...
Still decent, not a pure loss. Got some use cases if ya need the burst in the dung for your group

Using Odyns when it no longer does damage is just...
Not worth it anymore. I coped through DF, I am tired

Maybe it gets buffed with TT going away there is hope

[covert blaze]

[edgy widget]

only 10% of your damage, totally not worth it anymore 🙄

[edgy widget]

it's more or less interchangeable with Vicious Contempt and swapping Torments (minus encounters like Dawnbreaker where VC is devalued), you're not going to see any pronounced performance difference either way

Don't run Anger Management unless you just really enjoy it though, it's worse across the board

[slim coral]

@edgy widget Happy New year bud

[foggy pine]

guys how its possible to get bad things every weeks like that

[dense elbow]

Just WoW being WoW

[covert blaze]

palais des nerub'ar

[dense elbow]

If you get nothing else, at least you get some gold 🪙

[jade cipher]

guys if i want to use ovinax egg in M+, do i do something speical or just ignore it and play

[sudden tusk]

its kinda bait since it assumes 20/10 split at all times

but you can just ignore it

[jade cipher]

i wanted to use it on 639 instead of arakra 626

[sudden tusk]

same

i have it i just dont know if its actually better

sim says its 11kish

but eh

[jade cipher]

btw do we a have a quest for our ring today?

[sudden tusk]

yeah its kinda of annoying

you have to complete the weekly fill the bar quest to unlock the quest to upgrade the ring

on alts you can just kill rares after completing the quest

[jade cipher]

ah ok man thx for all the info , happy new year

[edgy widget]

you can override that in the sim, and while it will ofc lose value, it's still pretty decent

[edgy widget]

with a noticeable ilvl upgrade, it's probably worth even if you don't try to min/max it

[jade cipher]

Thx, i need to learn to stay in one place tho, otherwise its 4k mastery without any primary

[sudden tusk]

en dont think about it too much

[fast mural]

while using ovinax trinket is it better to keep moving or stand still ?

[sudden tusk]

ideally you move a bit to try to keep 20/10 on the buffs

but its a pain to track

[jade swan]

Hello Everyone,

Just wanted to say Happy new year to all and wish you a wonderful one.

[south kayak]

Happy new year

[sudden tusk]